I Love Your Calls, Claudia: Thursday, March 19th, 2026

7:41Claudia Oshry:and sometimes when you wake up sick like you could send Ben you could have I could have if Ben but we actually have a busy morning and we're doing our Patreon it's very specific we do birth charts they printed them out and everything

7:50Jackie Oshry:we have our birth charts

7:51Claudia Oshry:Ben can't do this Ben can't do this no he can't so like you actually couldn't have missed today but like but all that to say

7:56Jackie Oshry:Like the virus that's been running through our family has finally hit me. I feel like garbage. And if you could just be supportive of my calls today or you could just give me that breast. Like what if we just lactated? Like we breastfed. I was going to say, do you need breast milk? Do you have on you that's not in your breast? No, like I could hand express.

8:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah, hand express into a cup. I'll take a shot. Would you really? Yeah. That's so funny. That's so Charlie of you.

8:16Jackie Oshry:I mean, I drink like tequila and the tequila is disgusting.

8:19Claudia Oshry:No, like seriously, breast milk is magic. I gave some to Charlie this morning. Let's see the trends for me. All right, let's see. Like after the show.

8:26Jackie Oshry:offline yeah yeah you don't have to hand express on the show live thanks thanks it's really sweet

8:32Claudia Oshry:of you that's a great call if you wanted to that's a great call that if you wanted to i think that

8:37Jackie Oshry:could be like a good boost in numbers but obviously you don't have to if you don't want to thanks so much so yeah like i'm sick and i'm a hero it's funny how like going into work when you're sick like before coven was like a heroic thing like oh she worked so hard and now it's like you're evil you're killing people like the disabled yeah right like granny killer but it's like i'm just a business owner i should be in the frames businessman of the week but we said it can't

8:58Claudia Oshry:be a businesswoman and that's there's a lot of things about me that's extremely manly all of our segments it's just why it becomes hard not to anoint ourselves queenie of the week even though true that's the thing about queen of the week the unspoken truth is that it's us obviously

9:13Jackie Oshry:and like the fact that we don't give it to ourselves every week only further makes us bigger queenies good call thanks should we dive in yeah let's dive in i want to talk about slah

9:27Claudia Oshry:me too i can only like hold myself fucking late watching it and i need that to pay off in some capacity okay without further and do to do to do here are the fast five stories that you do need

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14:13Claudia Oshry:Dakota Mortensen breaks his silence on the domestic assault investigation with ex-Taylor Frankie Paul leading into our Salamu recap. So Dakota's speaking out for the first time amid reports this week of a domestic assault investigation involving him and TFP. He said to Entertainment Weekly, his number one priority here is protecting ever. Well, at least someone's saying that. His rep said he knew there was a possibility it could come out, but he was not going to be the one to proactively do that because he has always wanted a decent relationship with Taylor. It's been really hard to achieve that, but he wants to co-parent well.

14:46Claudia Oshry:So having now watched the season.

14:48Jackie Oshry:Yes. Okay. So now that I finished it up and do you agree that there was like a major lull in the middle of the season? Yes. And then the last two episodes just were amazing.

14:55Claudia Oshry:No, actually the lull for me was the reunion content and really like circling the drain on last season and Demi and Marciano and all that jazz. Right.

15:03Jackie Oshry:Because to me it wasn't even a cast member of the season. Yeah.

15:06Claudia Oshry:So when I'm now reading this, and I don't know why up until last night I would have maybe like took what he said at face value. I don't believe a word this man says. Like, I think that he is so much worse than we even realize. I think we were talking yesterday about how he sabotages every premiere for her. I think in the month leading up to The Bachelorette, he did everything he possibly could down to the last minute to ruin this for Taylor.

15:29Jackie Oshry:First of all, I cannot believe how close they were, like, still talking about their relationship. She's literally in the car. She says, I got to get out there filming. Like, we're going to start her stepping out of the car and she's coming off the phone with Dakota.

15:39Claudia Oshry:It does not bode well for her being able to have, like, a real lasting relationship. Oh, yeah. And she is not without fault.

15:46Jackie Oshry:Well, so that's so funny that you said that because I feel like yesterday I came on here being like, I can actually really see like, you know, Dakota being the aggressor, the abuser and like all of this is like. And then when I watched those last two episodes and the way she reacted to the Shania thing on all fronts, blaming everyone but Dakota slept with him that night, literally so mean to Miranda. Like I really. And you know what? I get confused because I know Layla is like 23. and so sometimes I have to chalk up these girls being like so immature to the fact that they're immature. Taylor Freaky Paul is my age.

16:18Jackie Oshry:She's 31. Like I didn't realize that until they have their ages up the whole time, which I appreciate at your big ass age. You're still acting like this. Like you're a mom now of three when she did not get on the plane and her mom and her sister were like shuffling all the kids through the airport and they didn't even know Dakota slept over that night. Like I lost any last real ounce of respect I had for her. And I don't like she's indefensible.

16:40Claudia Oshry:like she is no she is completely wrong Dakota knows how to get under her skin but she lets him and it ain't hard no it's not hard but he does it and he gets under there and he pokes and he like abuses her because he knows how to and again like she picks up the phone yeah and she but they also have a child together so she has to be in his life but like she's just not strong enough to say Like this is enough for me. Go do whatever you want with whoever you want. And I'm not going to let it affect me.

17:12Jackie Oshry:And it's actually insane. The one thing Taylor Frankie Paul like really needs in her life that she does not get from anyone is tough love. When finally when all the girls go over to her house at the very end and Jesse like finally like is annoyed with her. Like no one is mad at her. Like more people need to be mad at her.

17:27Claudia Oshry:I think the one time they got mad at her on the show it really backfired with the CMAs. I think they're scared of her fans. Yeah. Like when the CMAs happened and it is weird that nobody commented anything and it was like a big moment for her, but whatever. And she like went on the war path online and then everybody else gets so much hate. And when we all watched that season, we weren't not on Taylor's side. We're like, yeah, why didn't you guys comment? We weren't mad at her for like lashing out. And that's also what Jessie says is like her fans then are like, she's so authentic. She's so real.

17:56Claudia Oshry:She's so vulnerable when she's like posting crazy shit about Shania. She has never really felt the brunt of her actions. Like the consequences, yeah. Not from a public opinion standpoint. Like even when she got arrested, even when the swinging thing, all of those things just made her career bigger. And so she doesn't really like, if she had a real cancellation, the way like. Well, it's happening now. With brands pulling out. But it's like, did she even do the thing that's happening now? I believe that she did. You think she.

18:28Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I saw such a deeply unwell person. And then also going on The Bachelor is not a good experience for your mental health. But you know what's so funny? We were saying that it seems like ABC is going to position this as a healing season. And then they're going to send her off into The Bachelor like a healed individual. Although they ended up saying she might be pregnant and she was talking to Dakota the second she got out of the car. So I kind of feel like ABC might not be totally unhappy with her.

18:49Claudia Oshry:You know what I mean? Yeah, I think they are embracing the chaos. But it does sort, not that The Bachelor is such a sanctity. Right. it does like the person who is the bachelor or bachelorette needs to be completely open ready and willing to receive they try to like keep the integrity of the concept the integrity of the concept not someone who has like one foot out the door might be pregnant she's obviously not um she's obviously i mean she's not pregnant right now yeah uh but yeah they i don't know why they would mess with that format and make the bachelor like trash honestly but when it's always been about eligible people who are really yeah there's always a villain and whatnot but like it's really people in earnest who would like to find love and who are ready and aren't like gonna run back home

19:32Jackie Oshry:the whole airport like the last couple like it was bothering me so much like i was getting annoyed that no one was getting annoyed with her even miranda like nobody the way she was talking to everyone like nobody talks back to her like no wonder she's a fucking monster and honestly now i'm rethinking that scene where her dad was being mean to her like you know maybe somebody needs to be mean to her like I've never really had like a huge issue with the way that her parents try to get through to her and also like now that we know so much like her dad who like adopted her and has loved her from every minute like love him and she's so hung up on like the father who doesn't

20:02Claudia Oshry:want to be with her who kicked the mother by the reservoir and right drug addicted individual um but and that makes her feel not chosen when like this man Jeremy chose her over and over and over and so like that's the you know and the fact that she has to go chase down this obviously she doesn't know a ton about her biological dad but enough to know that her mom had to leave him he was addicted to drugs oh the poor mom being dragged through colorado and the mom like won't even talk about these things so she's like taking her mom on this trip to like relive her drama and yelling at her the whole time chase down the ghost of her father who's not a good guy yeah when you have like good people in your life who want to be there for you but it's like no what about my dad i want to learn more about my dad right it's it's hard to understand that desire and the whole time she's being so mean and screaming at her mom.

20:47Claudia Oshry:And her mom is like breaking down on the side of the road.

20:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah. It was a weird trip.

20:51Claudia Oshry:No, and it's like you have to like really learn about the ins and outs of your mom's abuse in order to like feel sorry for her. You can't just like take her at face value. The woman who was there for you, who raised you, who did everything for you. No, the one who ran away and started a new family and never wanted to see you even when you're four years old. Correct.

21:04Jackie Oshry:Correct. And what's so interesting is that like obviously Taylor and Dakota is like the big thing, but there were so many interesting storylines happening in the last couple of episodes.

21:12Claudia Oshry:Wait, I had just one more thought about Taylor and Dakota. And I know that we're really mad at her. And I am. And when she wasn't getting on the plane and she was sick and like she's just such a self-sabotager. But I started to feel really bad for her because if, say, she didn't go on The Bachelorette and she was like, I'm going to give this a shot with Dakota. Or she does The Bachelorette and then comes home and is like with Dakota. She will like never get out of this cycle. It reminded me, you know, that scene in Made. People say that they're like Lucy and Steven. No. You know the scene in Made.

21:39Claudia Oshry:You ever watch that show? Of course I did. It was amazing. When like she's finally getting out and she gets a job and, and, but then for some reason she has to go back and look at the trailer again. They have her like. She's laying on the couch and the couch sucks her up. Yeah. And that's like what will happen to Taylor if she doesn't find a way to break free. And I feel like she didn't break free from after Bachelorette given like what we know is going on now. And I am seriously, as much as I'm mad at her, worried about her. This will not end well. No. Like very deeply concerned. and yeah she's pushed away everyone and that's on her and she needs to fix the personal relationships in her life because she has good people she has yes people who really care about her and forget the women because like they are there for her to their own end you know they realized it's more

22:23Jackie Oshry:profitable to be a supportive friend to taylor and an enabler than it is to like actually call her out and treat her the way you would treat a friend right but she has her family who are there

22:33Claudia Oshry:for her and I just I am very worried about her okay I'm also like I'm not convinced that maybe her and Dakota are toxic and they you know choke each other and whatever I don't I'm not convinced that she hurt her child and she said that she yeah yeah I forgot about that those are really two separate things to me yeah but I think while maybe like neither of them like put their hands

22:56Jackie Oshry:on their child like having these sort of displaying this behavior in front of your children is abuse it's neglect it's abuse and the kid is honestly and that's the other thing about the grandparents uh ever is always at the grandparents house even the fact that they were flying with bigger kids whose faces are blurred yeah but it is interesting that taylor co-parents decently well we haven't really ever heard anything about her ex-husband like they seem to be and she took them with her

23:18Claudia Oshry:to the bachelor yeah which is nice yeah she had said like that's the only way she would do bachelorette is if she could see her kids but i don't know in what how often they're gonna like be there yeah I'm sure we'll find out about it on the show mom talk clearly needs a new leader well she was like always the face of mom talk but never really the one to be like the lead administrator you know yeah I feel like bigger head position okay you know who's like I feel vying for it but is not gonna get it it's Layla and I think it's tough because there are like

23:45Jackie Oshry:girls from this group that are being selected to get those bigger opportunities and Layla's not one of them and her like attempt failed on the show which was really sad to watch but she's also the one like holding a gun to everyone's head about mom talk so she's kind of like the one who cares about it the most she's like well you can't just like use mom talk to get all these opportunities and then not come back i think macy should be the leader well yes obviously she's the most sound of mind she kind of had like the most boring season but like that's a good leader yeah yeah she can

24:09Claudia Oshry:like actually she's interested in like opportunities but also the friendships she has i think the most friendships and the least amount yeah also jesse would be a good leader so yes jesse would be too

24:17Jackie Oshry:but jesse i feel is destined for lots of personal drama like this the um the leader needs to be stable have a stable home life I actually think Jessie is very stable not her home life but like

24:28Claudia Oshry:she um it's funny like even when she's in like the worst situation she's like smiling hey everybody how's everybody doing yeah yeah like she really keeps it together and compartmentalizes I think she would also be a good leader and she also speaks for everyone like even for vegetables she's sort of like narrating the show and moving it along and telling us about what we're seeing I think actually she could be the leader

24:51Jackie Oshry:Her prenup I really wanted to cry for her that's awful I wonder what the wind up is Like they said maybe Well if they end up getting It only matters if they end up getting divorced How do you like go through all that trouble to have a lawyer And not have a witness

25:04Claudia Oshry:I have no idea

25:05Jackie Oshry:I have such a pick because she's right I forget But like we found out last season that like the first four years of their marriage He was like a verbally abusive actual evil narcissist Yeah And now he's obviously acting cosplaying like I'm changed And she's like, that's not who I am anymore. But yeah, she said he's a hard person to be married to, but he would be a harder person to be divorced because he would completely revert to that version of himself.

25:24Claudia Oshry:And like if he is changed, then why isn't it like working? Working. Right. If he's changed. If he's changed. Not just on camera.

25:31Jackie Oshry:Now, as a Zach Affleck stand in last night's episode, hard for you to watch.

25:34Claudia Oshry:It was hard for me to watch because obviously the Afflecks are in the wrong.

25:38Jackie Oshry:Although I will say, like, I don't really clown on Zach for defending his wife. No. He doesn't know his wife is dead on balls fucking wrong.

25:45Claudia Oshry:Even if your wife is wrong, you go hard for your wrong wife. Yes, except you don't show up in place of your wife to argue with a woman. You do not. But that's also on Jen because women know that. Obviously. Even more so than men. And that's never going to look at it. I don't care if he was in the right even. That's never going to be a fight that we want to see or a fair fight.

26:06Jackie Oshry:I've been waiting to see their argument while they were in glam. And honestly, it didn't disappoint. It was really crazy. And I feel like a lot of the women, but mostly and I was appreciative that a couple of girls had had Whitney's back. But like Jen just thinks that Whitney is this like insanely manipulative, manipulative, strategic, calculated person. Whereas like she couldn't even control her emotions. She was so upset in that scene. I felt like I don't know where Jen is getting this impression. And then she reiterated that to Zach. And Zach was like, well, were you even sad that she left?

26:33Jackie Oshry:Like using Internet drama.

26:34Claudia Oshry:Yeah. To like. Oh, yeah. And then Zach like insinuating that. Why are the headlines saying this? Why are people saying this? Like because it's true. which is just so false and rude. And you also have to remember all the hate that Whitney was getting on Dancing with the Stars. So even though it's like going well for her, she is having a hard time. They're both having a hard time in a different way.

26:51Jackie Oshry:And I appreciate it. I think it was Jessie in her confessionals who said it. She was the only person who brought it up. And you can't really talk about Jen and Whitney on Dancing with the Stars without really talking about how I think a lot of what's fueling Jen to just like dislike Whitney is that Whitney is succeeding on like another level. And Jen was not like the competition element of it all. and it was unfair you know they weren't on the same level and she's you know eight weeks post part of like of course it's absurd but like it's hard to see someone who you're like on the same level with like she's was gonna win you know and she not only did she not win she got even better it's better that she didn't win because she got the call her daddy moment she got the big dance then she got broadway like it was perfect like well it seems like she got broadway before she

27:30Claudia Oshry:got broadway regardless of what happened next i thought like it was a sort of justice yeah having been eliminated early but no she was always on her way because she was doing such an amazing job So it's like the competition was going better for Whitney, but public opinion was not on her side. Jen wasn't like doing amazing in the competition, but people like were feeling for her, feeling for her, voting for her.

27:48Jackie Oshry:And then she like threw like Whitney under the bus on that live. And I think it made things a lot worse for Whitney.

27:54Claudia Oshry:For Whitney, when she is seriously going through it, the fact that you would add to that, I don't care if that's your friend or not, that's a human being. And that is not the right thing to do.

28:03Jackie Oshry:Jen just looked like such a loser because she really did not have one legitimate claim against Whitney. It seemed like Whitney had been texting her when she was sick, saying hi in the studio and she couldn't even congratulate her. And then when she, it's a classic like loser behavior. When like Whitney very calmly was like, you know what, it upset me that you didn't like congratulate me on Chicago you've known for a week. And not only did she deny it, she then started attacking, I'm the victim and we don't have a genuine friendship. Like it was such a loser.

28:23Claudia Oshry:I also feel like, I feel like maybe Jen didn't realize like how big of a deal it was.

28:28Jackie Oshry:Chicago, because she thought it was in Chicago.

28:30Claudia Oshry:Because she didn't really like know what it was.

28:31Jackie Oshry:But she has big dreams of being on like a performer and she doesn't even know that Broadway show Chicago's in New York.

28:36Claudia Oshry:And so she made the fight about like the other issues she has with Whitney. But like, I feel like it's not that she was like snubbing her by not congratulating her. Like she just didn't know it was, I guess they always celebrate everyone's little everything. Oh, you got this brand deal. Like, I'm sorry, you can't convince me

28:48Jackie Oshry:that everything going on between Jed and Whitney is, I'm sorry, like it's just jealousy.

28:52Claudia Oshry:Well, that's amongst other things. And it fuels everything. And the obsession with her being friends with Demi and that also here's what - No, that's the only thing she has to cling to. She doesn't have a real argument against Whitney. No, and so she's mad that Whitney came back for Dancing with the Stars and is using all these friendships as transactional. But it also seems like Whitney is successfully rebuilding her friendships. And there is an element of transaction to all of these friendships. Like every single one. None of them are completely pure except maybe like Macy and Michaela. Everyone else, like we have a friendship, we have a bond, but this is also a working relationship.

29:26Claudia Oshry:So the idea that it's like it's going to be rainbows and flowers and you can't want something in exchange for something else is very naive and stupid. Like this is a business. and if Whitney comes back for Dancing with the Stars so be it at least she was upfront about it and she happened to also in earnest repair some of her friendships and I think that's what makes Jen mad is like people have forgiven her and Jen hasn't because Jen's the one suffering of Dancing with the Stars like it should have been just Jen on Dancing with the Stars if Jen if it were up to Jen because Whitney's not on Mom Talk anymore so then this person like came back got Dancing with the Stars and like beat you and they like cheated their way back they cheated their way to Dancing with the Stars because they just came back for it they weren't actually on a show.

30:06Claudia Oshry:But I'm not on Jen's side at all. Yeah, Zach should not have gone in place of Whitney. Jen should never have let him. That was never, ever, ever, never going to be a good look for them.

30:16Jackie Oshry:And now when we talk about, like, should Whitney go back? Like, she's just, like, light years ahead of all the women. And just maturity. And her marriage is in a good place. Nobody else's is. I actually think now, like, having watched the whole season, like, do not go. The way that I feel now is that this show is like a toilet and you don't want to get flushed down.

30:35Claudia Oshry:A little bit of a curse.

30:37Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And like Whitney's managed to escape it. And you know what? Fine. Let's say the show is still really big. Like at least Whitney will leave like with her marriage, her family intact and like opportunities outside of it. Like that was it was a really upsetting to watch the whole Whitney and Jen thing. And when they were fighting in front of all the women, I know it's like not the type of show where people can like step in. But it was so wrong what was happening there. Like when he was getting so upset. Like I felt so bad for her.

30:59Claudia Oshry:They're such cheap. All these girls, they didn't know. They're cheap. They didn't know what the right side was. So they didn't take it. They didn't know how they felt about the situation, who's right and who's wrong. So they didn't stand up for anyone because no one told them. Except Miranda.

31:10Jackie Oshry:I do feel as though Miranda has a moral compass. Yeah. And she barely said anything, but she like took Whitney's side for a second. And then she was the one who like rubbed her back.

31:18Claudia Oshry:She just like backed up what she experienced. The claim. But yeah, they didn't know. They don't know how the fans are going to feel about that fight. So they're just going to stay out of it. Agreed. There's not a unanimous consensus.

31:27Jackie Oshry:I was really willing, like when I thought about this season, like to give Jen so much grace. But any goodwill, I feel like it was so gone. Like that was really upsetting to watch. Like the live, like everything. It was so mean.

31:39Claudia Oshry:Nobody felt worse for Jen on Dancing with the Stars than I did. I actually didn't even vote for her the night she got eliminated because I thought she wanted to leave. That's how unhappy she seemed. And it must be really hard to get that opportunity when you're eight weeks postpartum.

31:56Jackie Oshry:And then like your friend is also doing it at like the peak of her physical fitness.

31:59Claudia Oshry:But like it's another lesson in like you do not need to say yes to every opportunity. Like these women are running themselves into the ground.

32:07Jackie Oshry:Jen should have said no. And I'm sure if she had like worked hard enough, she could have gotten it this year.

32:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah, of course. Yeah. We're going to probably have. Why wouldn't we have more? Yeah. And I'm sure there will be a wife. I'm dancing with the stars this year. I wonder who it will be. It could be anyone. Yeah. Maybe Layla. Maybe Jesse. Whoever wants it. It's theirs for the take.

32:28Jackie Oshry:And I'm hesitant to bring this up because I know it's a personal trigger of yours. But let's talk about Michaela and Jace. Thank you so much. I almost forgot. So they separated.

32:38Claudia Oshry:Why was she the one who left? I almost forgot that the villain of the season. Is the person who said three words. Is Jace. Yeah. We are not giving this man. Enough hate. Enough hate for what he's done torturing his wife who just had a baby to be more intimate with him. not only did she just have a baby her skin issues are flaring up again so she's like trying to get this under control i can imagine stress would be like the worst thing for that she's also the breadwinner and the family can't take a minute off and then he's there like what about me oh i can't have a kiss so and our connection like get out of here you fucking gross like focused on the connection to the point that they feel they need to separate when you have like a

33:17Jackie Oshry:two-month-old little baby when they're having a conversation about separating like it's literally like the newborn on the bed I was so shook like he was like I feel like they were both like sad because like we love each other so much and he was like I just feel confident like once we get this issue fixed we can get back together and she was like I just don't think it's fixable like

33:38Claudia Oshry:that's what she said the thing is maybe it's not fixable maybe it will be the thing that maybe it's not fixable right now though but if it is fixable ever it's not right now and maybe down the road they'll see that they can't come together on this but like to be dealing with it and really put it on the time clock when she has a newborn baby she's working her tail off and she's having health issues you're a disgusting human to make her separate to have and she has to leave the house and why the fuck was that leaving the house and they have other kids right besides i

34:08Jackie Oshry:think they have one other one or two with jace oh yeah she did she brought her grown kid to jesse's house that was cute when they all had the media jesse's house oh i love when they go over to each

34:16Claudia Oshry:They're like the toy rooms. It was so cute. It's so cute. They all have. They do have other kids. They have. They have four together. And you're separate. You're encouraging. And why didn't Chase leave? I think he's so fucking disgusting. Worse than Jordan. No. Not even Jordan made Jesse leave the house when she had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I do. I cannot understand. It was really hard to watch. That you think now's the time to really make the critical decision of saying what you're going to divorce with a two month old yeah after having four children like divorce if you want if you're going to divorce and it's not gonna be able to work out like right fine but can't you like sort of kick the can down the road a little bit and just let this nobody's intimacy is like thriving too much let this woman recover and heal right and stress is not good for her health condition correct and it's like it seems like he really could only you know lay it on his pregnant wife and now he feels like she had the baby it's back to let's talk about these intimacy issues well

35:14Jackie Oshry:Well, I saw on TikTok that some of her health issues have cleared a little bit because it turns out that they were living with mold. Yeah. That's very real.

35:24Claudia Oshry:We know. Living with the stress of the demon. Yeah, right. I could not believe what I was watching. So funny. I could not believe what I was watching. I know. Like separating those two month olds is like Taylor and Dakota, like too toxic to be around with the baby. but like you have four kids and now you're not going to be together and like support your family yeah because you didn't get a kiss the kiss he said it's not even the sex up mikaela was like

35:51Jackie Oshry:it's not even the sex room it's the kisses but like kissing is her trigger i think it has to do with her childhood sexual trauma okay so it's not he just wants this and it was so and the fact that

35:58Claudia Oshry:all of this steps i'm because she's being like a bitch what right because she's like so traumatized

36:04Jackie Oshry:he is disgusting and then like when macy's picking her up and like they she's like i'll give you guys moment and they kiss you could just tell like she could not get away from him fast and he's in heaven

36:16Claudia Oshry:i know it made me so mad like there's a time and a place for hard conversations for fights for making big decisions it is not when you've just had a baby also when you've had four but like it's not like you sort of this is new to you yeah the thing with the caitlin chase also is that

36:33Jackie Oshry:like one of the weird things about the relationship is that when they met and got pregnant he was 21 and she was 16. So it's possible that he was under the impression when you impregnate a 16-year-old like you're the one in charge. But Michaela was like, no. I think he thought maybe he would be the one in control of the dynamic, especially when it came to sex, which is so important to him. And maybe it's just not going down the way he envisioned when he married a 16-year-old.

36:59Claudia Oshry:Right.

37:00Jackie Oshry:And people change. He didn't realize the 16-year-old he chose had a big good head on her shoulders. Yeah. No, she really does. because she's also 25. Yeah. And she's more mature than Taylor, than half of them. Taylor's the oldest one. Isn't that insane? Or no, maybe Jessie is. But Jessie's very mature. Whitney. Whitney is just totally, like, right. Like, she has, she's rock solid.

37:23Claudia Oshry:She has to escape, honestly. The show.

37:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

37:26Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, she's so sound of mind. It's really a strange dichotomy to watch those who are and those who are not. Yeah, she was like, I feel crazy.

37:35Jackie Oshry:and it's like you are crazy because you're like around crazy people. Surrounded by crazy people. Yes, we need to be the only sane individual in a circus.

37:41Claudia Oshry:I just want to say, I loved that they had like a whole shoot day around the title promo, like that we saw that day and also we got an explanation for why they're in two separate looks. Like it's meant to be like a cocoon and then they're butterfly. Oh, that's funny. They really look like butterfly. Like so stupid. And what's crazy was there was a lot of intent behind that. Yeah, yeah, very thoughtful. And it looked like it just was cobbled together. Yeah.

38:05Jackie Oshry:I will miss my girls oh there's the reunion right do we know anything like who's hosting it

38:09Claudia Oshry:no but we also have Bachelorette next week

38:12Jackie Oshry:oh god I'm gonna obviously watch cause like I'm in it but I don't foresee myself like sticking with it

38:17Claudia Oshry:and I do need more clarity on the investigation situation so that's Salamu recap who's your villain of the season

38:26Jackie Oshry:after last night it's Jen Affleck it was upsetting me like deeply yeah maybe that's cause I related to Whitney like I feel like I'm a really sound minded individual like and i was just like it was arguing with a crazy person yeah and i also related to waiting that like if i'm in an argument with someone and it's someone i care about like i cry and it's like i hate that like i just i can't even talk without crying and having to be like i want to be your friend it's pathetic like that yeah are you ready for our next story some dis news

38:52Claudia Oshry:we're getting more info about the hannah montanner anniversary special miley says that selena will

38:58Jackie Oshry:appear in the special i feel like a lot of stuff is coming out like stories and i'm trying not to

39:02Claudia Oshry:read them like I would like to be surprised yeah I agree a lot of like quotes of like things that

39:06Jackie Oshry:she said like I think about Jackson Earl's like I didn't mean to kill Hannah right right and apparently like Hannah was supposed to be like take her wig off in the third episode and then like it changed the premise like I don't want to know can I just watch a fucking special and

39:19Claudia Oshry:we just drop now like I'm ready right now and I'm scared I'm gonna be over it in a week no not over it but like can nothing be a surprise no but like sometimes if it doesn't happen you know when things are too far out yeah then i forget and i move on like i don't know if i can wait a week like there's a lot going on yeah there's so much tv on right now it's true i'm gonna get to watch a southern charm reunion last night which i will do summer house rehova tonight you see that real housewives of miami has been put on that is a story if you want to just segue to the fact that real housewives of miami has been put on pause bravo put it on pause i mean the low rating this is a bad call like it's the lowest rated show in of housewives okay but don't you feel like they

39:57Jackie Oshry:get like no promo or anything like i was actually watching a tiktok today that like you know bravo pushes the new i guess people on the internet are calling it phony the new roni they push it so hard they put it on after beverly hills like whatever it gets on after beverly hills is the highest rated housewives franchise so whatever airs after it you get like kind of sloppy seconds yes so it's a way of like promoting like give that to miami like they like say what you want about miami okay maybe it's not highly rated but like it's a very good show the housewives are professional housewives they're highly engaged they have wealth they have drama like it has everything there's no reason it should be performing so poorly.

40:27Jackie Oshry:I don't feel like the network properly, like, I never see those women on Watch What Happens Live. It was like a Peacock original. Like, why don't you give it the actual treatment that you're giving, like, these shitty ass franchises? Vote me, yeah. Real Housewives of New York, like, I don't know, I feel like this is a bad call.

40:39Claudia Oshry:And I also, I just feel like they think they can do whatever they want with Miami. And they sort of like, do, they set principle. Like, first they canceled it, then they brought it back, then they made it a Peacock original. Like, they're always the trailblazers, Miami, for like what experiment that they want to run with housewives.

40:53Jackie Oshry:And I'm sorry, every era of Miami housewives, no matter what like the ratings are, it's always good. I'm sorry, the women are always wealthy. They are so desperate to make the show work. Like they're insane. I always pop in randomly and I'm sorry, it's always good. Yeah. You cannot say that about other franchises. So like if it's failing, it's not on the women, it's not on the franchise, it's on the network. Yeah. Like why don't you try? Why don't you like support the women at all? I never see them on podcasts. Like I never see anything.

41:16Claudia Oshry:I also just think Miami as a city is just like a good city to have housewives. So if it's low ratings or it's not working, like switch something up. Yeah. To pause it when we watch, like we have all these other like. I mean, the new Vanderpump Rules. Like. Yeah.

41:28Jackie Oshry:They're always like the commercials that are on the buses. Like I haven't seen one ad ever. I didn't even.

41:33Claudia Oshry:Is Rahome even airing right now?

41:35Jackie Oshry:I don't know. And then the new woman, Stephanie, like they had good stuff going on.

41:39Claudia Oshry:I watched last season. I didn't watch the reunions, but like I'm fine with that. And then was there a new season? No. So I'm caught up. Yeah, you are. Except for the reunions. But like, that's fine.

41:47Jackie Oshry:I think this is like such a bad call.

41:50Claudia Oshry:So it's a bad call, not a good call.

41:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm cosplaying you. This is a bad call.

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45:09Claudia Oshry:what's the next story what's the next story cheddar spoon any live update brooks nader livy dunn and more stars make their red swimsuit debuts on the set of baywatch so the first pictures have drawn from baywatch reboot the turnaround time is just it's so true let's get that energy for the nightingale shall we it's so true um brooks nader shay mitchell Libby Dunn, Brooks Nader, Libby Dunn, Noah. Everyone's here. Who's Noah? Beck. Oh, let me see Noah.

45:39Jackie Oshry:I didn't see him.

45:39Claudia Oshry:Oh, I saw him in a group photo. Oh, who's that guy? Oh, that's Stephen Amell. Oh my god. Brooks' new boyfriend for sure. Oh, he's handsome. Oh my gosh. I'm so...

45:48Jackie Oshry:Oh, there's Noah. I just... I maintain that this show is gonna be bad, but I'm really excited about these photos. Yeah, they look good. They look great. Like, very authentic. Yeah.

45:58Claudia Oshry:This would be a great, like, magazine cover and, like, let's call it a day. Yeah. But I'm happy for everyone involved. They seem to be having fun.

46:06Jackie Oshry:When we were talking about Sports Illustrated Swim yesterday, like, obviously, Brooks for the cover. Obviously. Like, all four of the sisters.

46:11Claudia Oshry:Oh, that would—four sisters. One cover, four sisters would be so iconic. Innovative. So iconic. But I do think that Whoopi Goldberg would be more iconic. Who did I say? Oh, an Olympian. I don't like my answer. Oh, no. Someone had a good one. Utah. Utah Leardom. Just give it to Utah. I do have four covers. Whoopi Goldberg. Utah Leardom. Brooke Sneater and who's our fourth

46:36Jackie Oshry:Jackie O please no like actually what is the amount that they would have to pay you I don't even want to have this conversation because it's like it's like it's like it's like talking about

46:47Claudia Oshry:like when your dreams like ejection relevance I would probably say like 10 million dollars minimum for you okay I think that you know they could take it or leave it so anyways Speedwatch is happening, guys. And they're looking good. It is. It's looking good.

47:03Jackie Oshry:It looks looking good, yeah. But, like, the show's not going to be good. I just want everyone to know that.

47:06Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for the final story? I am. Let me tell you, I'm fading. Doing the show sick is not. This story's going to bring you back up. Okay. It's my fate. It's Thursday. I don't know if you realized. Massinger reveals.

47:16Jackie Oshry:Oh, I actually, I usually keep up every week. I didn't see this week.

47:21Claudia Oshry:Two people were revealed. Oh, really? 14 carat carat. Oh, was it Judge Mathis? Yes. Okay. How do you know that? I read the Reddit. Like I was on this show. What do you guys want? Like you think I'm going to go quietly? Oh, so do you like know everyone who's on? Yeah. Okay. Judge Mathis was the carrot carrot. Slay. Like not me and a judge. And Stingway was revealed as Evan Ross. Son of Diana Ross and husband of Ashley Simpson. So now I'm convinced Galaxy Girl is even more so Ashley Simpson. That's cute. So I think Galaxy Girl is Bridget Mendler.

47:49Jackie Oshry:But we shall see. I meant to say this yesterday. You're going to die. Do you know that Ben had Spencer Pratt on The Good Guys? When he came home, he was like Spencer Pratt was amazing. And I'm like, well, did you talk about Masked Singer? He was like, why would we have talked about Masked Singer? I'm like, how the fuck do you do a podcast? You know nothing. He was like, was he on it? I'm like, his wife was on my season. Oh my God, you need to talk about it offline. With Censor. Yeah.

48:12Claudia Oshry:You guys need a Masked Singer support group.

48:15Jackie Oshry:Do we ever? We need a therapist in there too.

48:18Claudia Oshry:So now here's who's left. Pangolin. Who do people say that is?

48:23Jackie Oshry:I think they say it's Normani. No, Crane. Oh, yeah. I need to look at the pictures. I don't know who Pangolin. So Pangolin, Galaxy Girl, Cat Witch, Pug Casso. Cat Witch we know is Kylie Contrell. She's like, for the first season ever, they did somebody who we know. Like a secret trainer? Yes, exactly. And they document the whole process on TikTok.

48:44Claudia Oshry:Cat Witch, Pug Casso, and Crane. And Crane. So we just don't know who Pangolin is. Let me just look at the costume. Yeah, look at the costume and then let us know what your Redditors said. there's a lot of people left still it's crazy like would have still been there but not really because it filmed a while ago i've never seen this one let me see oh people think it's rachel platen obsessed oh that's good maybe she'll win i think pug casa will win if if they know what's good if they know what's good um so that's your mass singer update And then I just want to say a couple more things about Salamu, which is that a wife will go on Dancing with the Stars because why wouldn't they?

49:26Claudia Oshry:A wife should go on Traders. Like, I feel like Lita thinks there's like no more opportunities because modeling didn't work out. But like there's there's opportunities. And like, no offense.

49:33Jackie Oshry:Why do you want to be a model? Like. Modeling for a lot of people is like a means, but you're already wealthy and famous. Like, what the hell do you want to model for?

49:42Claudia Oshry:Like live in New York? I don't know. But she also if she does want to model like for real, she has to get a dramatic haircut. Absolutely. I was actually thinking about did you see Miranda's haircut no she looks unbelievable a couple days ago she got a bob she looks insane she's very pretty she's she's beautiful what's her last name Miranda hope now she goes by oh right right right

50:10Jackie Oshry:oh I don't really like it what what picture are you looking at a tiktok okay go to a different I'm seeing it in action okay but oh actually maybe she's just learning

50:19Claudia Oshry:The Wuthering Heights. Maybe she's learning how to style it. I'm sorry. It kind of ages her. She looks amazing. She looks mature.

50:24Jackie Oshry:Okay, so her and Whitney comment on each other's photos. Like, they're so good. I guess that's good.

50:28Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

50:28Jackie Oshry:Like, let's see who comments on Whitney's stuff. Even though they all comment on everyone's stuff.

50:31Claudia Oshry:Yeah, remember they said they're so scared not to? Yeah. Which was just so funny. I can't, like, sometimes I just, like, can't even think of what to comment. Like, I want to be supportive, but I'm like, what do I say here?

50:41Jackie Oshry:Go. Heather Gay comments on her stuff.

50:43Claudia Oshry:Go, girl.

50:44Jackie Oshry:Mikayla. Demi.

50:48Claudia Oshry:I really I think that her and Michaela like I like their friendship I think Demi should go on Masked Singer I think um Macy comments I think Jessie should go on Traders Jessie should go on Traders and I think like I need I need Jessie to have her moment like I need her to get divorced

51:04Jackie Oshry:first and like I need her to like then have her like big moment yeah well it seems like people

51:09Claudia Oshry:get a moment after a divorce good so do Jessie next Jessie next um

51:16Jackie Oshry:okay listen I love you we have to wrap this up I'm like seriously you don't want to think of more more opportunities for the girls uh let's talk about tomorrow okay okay and you wrap up and

51:24Claudia Oshry:sleep on it yeah thank you guys so much for listening to the toast the best show on earth we love you dearly and we will see you tomorrow love you bye