I Protect The Family: Tuesday, October 21st, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy tuesday big day for the dtq for me and i guess for you too why for you so many things i'm looking at your sweater is it a sign of anything no no i don't have my period um i saw ramona singer on the way to work to this morning i saw that you saw ramona singer on the way to work this morning are you guys in a place where you say hello you know what of course we are we do text the thing about Ramona Singer she's like your best friend's mom right she's like your best friend's mom who you've met a thousand actually your best friend's dad you've met her a thousand times she will never remember you like and I could go over she looked to be in a rush and I was just like enjoying the New York moment you know I didn't need to make it more than it was I was also kind of in a hurry um and if I had went over and been like yeah you know we just texted like about the toast and like I'm friends with Avery like if Avery was with her like I would have said hi because Avery's like the girl the young daughter that remembers um but I just wasn't in the mood to like have to explain myself do you know what I mean?

1:27I understand I understand. No but I literally texted with Ramona not two months ago and she wanted to come on the toast but we couldn't make it work while I was on maternity leave. Yeah she was gonna come on and co-host with me and our schedules just like didn't align between like New York and Florida rats but yeah we're all best friends. We're all best friends. We're all best friends who don't say hi to each other in the street which is so real. Which is what real friends do correct now it's also a big day for me because today ruby's five months old which like obviously good happy for him what that signals to me and every time somebody asks like how old is your baby i think oh how long have i been breastfeeding not me making it to five months like i just good for me pat myself on the back things i did that no one's sort of like making it to five months easily yeah kind of slaying my way to the fifth month mark like just sort of picking my head up and it's been five months not even like you've been trudging towards it like i've got to hit Like this milestone, it's petering out.

2:18No, like, yeah, things she's doing, breastfeeding for five months. Didn't even realize. And just for anyone wondering, like an update where I'm at, I'm sort of at this crossroads. Let me explain. There are two paths diverging in a yellow wood. Between no something and breastfeeding? And I will take one of these paths. I would like to make it to six months. One more month, I can do it. For sure. And at the six month mark, I am either going to stop and be the skinniest, most toxic bitch you've ever met in your life. Like literally going to Dr. Gizzi to get my Ozempic, my filler, and my Botox all in one day.

2:48Then I'm getting a steroid shot in my coccidinia, in my tailbone, finally. And then I'm also getting my thumb fixed. I don't know what's wrong with my thumb, but there's something wrong. I'm doing it all in one day. And I'm gonna be the most annoying person you've ever met in your entire fucking life. Or I'm gonna see this thing all the way through and my baby's like never gonna have formula. Like kind of slay like that. You're gonna get breastfed for the year. But yeah, I'm gonna take it all the way. Now, I'm not unhappy doing that, but I am unhappy at like my current body. so we'll see we'll see i you know start off with the comments which one should i do i mean every woman has to make that decision like get into the best shape of my life continue breastfeeding and then also get pregnant right right again so you know what i'm gonna leave most things up to the comments like i do usually do you know what you never know like something might have it might naturally present itself with the answer like i remember with Charlie.

3:44I wanted to breastfeed for six months and then I wanted to like snatch back to reality. Um, and he started biting me anyway. And so I was like, and so for that reason, I'm out. Let me tell you something. I'm starting to get bit. It's really not cool. And like, you can't like yell at a baby, but it's like, stop. No, and you can't like get them to understand to stop. Right. There's no like punishment. So I just either need to like put up or shut up. oh no that's like that trend oh no my baby's uh breast oh yeah i can't breastfeed anymore and i have to go zempic you should do that one write it down that's a good one i think women everywhere will relate we're such relatable women i mean i think that we are i think that's part of our charm that was unpercent so that's why it's a big day for me that's why it's a big day for me And of course, in lieu of gifts, please send donations to both me personally and the Mark John Wetter Holocaust Education Foundation.

4:43Will do. Aye, aye. Thanks. How are you? Why is today a big day for you for any reason? No. Just another day that I got up. Huge, by the way. Got dressed, did my makeup, getting harder and harder. I can't even describe it. I know one day I will forget what I'm experiencing right now. I never experienced it in other pregnancies where I can't move. I'm just in so much pain in my other regions, in my undercarriage. I think you need a little bit of pelvic floor physical therapy. I probably do, but I can't make it there now. You know, I'm not even driving myself anymore. I'm not driving alone anymore just because there's just too much pain.

5:33Too much, I agree. And so I can't focus on the road, unfortunately. Well, you look gorgeous. Thank you. So, yeah, just like getting myself dressed, like putting my legs through my pants is extremely hard. Listen, I get it. I think putting legs through pants like not pregnant is kind of a hard thing to do anyway. So I can imagine what it's like for you. I'm feeling super grateful for the bench at the end of my bed. Like it was meant to be a dressing bench and for putting on shoes and for putting on pants. And now is living life it intended. Love that. Yeah. So that's the major milestone today is I put on pants.

6:09It's also a big day for the DTQ. We have dear toasters. They're hilarious. I was giggling while choosing them. So it's kind of a great day for everyone. It's also just a great day to be a toaster. Yeah. I think every day that we do our show, and even days that we don't do our show, because if you are a toaster, then you're the elk of a toaster and you're having a great day because you're a fabulous girl. Mm-hmm. You know? Oh, so funny. Jackie and I were talking yesterday. There's somebody I know who's like dealing with something and I really want to recommend to them to like start listening to the toast, which just like sounds so obnoxious because like, oh, you're you're sad.

6:44Like listen to my podcast. But like people tell us all the time that like when they were going through a hard thing or they were like dealing with grief that they listen to the podcast was like a great hour a day to like lift their spirits and, you know, take their mind off of things. And like I wanted to recommend it. But like, how do you recommend your own podcast without sounding like an animal? you don't okay okay damn okay you don't but i do think and i was doing it completely selflessly i understand and like it's part it's not even just because we're hysterical and fabulous like it's about the community habitual nature of it like every day that there's something an hour a day to take your mind off and i think it just helps people like put one foot in front of the other um and just to have some routine that they can come to like rely on and the sisterhood of Of course, there's always sisterhood.

7:29And we would never say screw sisterhood. We would never screw sisterhood. But I do think like if she is in a swirly orbit, we will find our way to each other. Yeah, I think maybe like it's on someone else to recommend it to her, not me. That's exactly what it is. But I just know, like I know it would help. I do. You can't do anything about it. You can write her an anonymous letter. This isn't a relatable problem, you know? No, no. but okay I thought maybe like we could come up with a solution but you're right there's like no good way to recommend your own podcast even when you mean it so earnestly yeah no there's no good way so all right control z how's New York treating you speaking of oh it's such a gorgeous day it's like I stepped outside and I was like it's that crisp weather that like makes me just like miss my vape you know I just want to like cuddle up on the couch with my vape yeah and your and your uh breast pump yeah right me and my and you know what i because i've been thinking somebody had asked me this like are you gonna like vape again when you can like you're not gonna be breastfeeding you're not gonna be pregnant like are you gonna vape um and i think for a while i thought that i would but you know what it's literally a miracle that i quit and if i go back it will be a lifelong thing i will be on and off my whole life i need to never touch it again yeah there's no I just like loved that era there's no point I just loved that era so much and you can always have that I also didn't like it I also didn't like it people don't talk about like the pitfalls of vaping like while it's great like always like losing your vape and then like sometimes like you get a puff that like gives you anxiety you know you're like wait you're like starting to tweak a little bit and then it goes away um like it wasn't all good you know it's also expensive because i used to buy them by the cartons online yeah it's a time and a place we'll always have the memories we'll always have like the cute pictures of us in our vapes but you're right like maybe i'll just start smoking cigarettes yeah go hard or go home yeah but no like i think i've officially closed a chapter on that like i don't think i'll go back like ever i think that's good it would literally be pointless like you're well i would have fun which is always good but you can have fun without vaping, turdy.

9:50But like, you really can't. Like, you can't have that much fun, you know? Yeah. Well, but I'm not doing it. Dabble. I know if I could just be a normal person who like, you know, just found like has one in her going out bag and only when she drinks. Only when she drinks. Yeah. But I can't. Cause then you have one in your going out bag. You have it when you're drinking, then you wake up and you rummage through that going out bag and start vaping at six in the morning. no no no no i'm officially i'm closing the chapter okay good i thought we did five years ago but um no it was open like once i was out of like the no-go zone it was like an option but i don't think it's an option for me good i'm glad to hear it and stay in school also depends on the school and also depends on the person you know everyone learns differently so true i mean i can't go having this conversation again but let's just all remember like the smartest kids in school are like now sometimes making the least amount of money like it literally means nothing yeah and you know what about trade school bring back black smithery yeah skills bring back welding practical skills we're all going to be replaced by ai i don't think the welders will honestly i don't think the podcasters will definitely not famous last words but you know what you guys like they could try if ai can make a better podcast than us like serious then we could enjoy it we could listen to it i i welcome the challenge yeah sounds hysterical and rising tides rise all sheds you know like then we have to level up yeah um we have amazing stories today uh don't you feel like there's just like a lot of like funny things going on there are i think again i have six and i'm gonna i'm gonna see where the wind takes us in terms of conversacion.

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17:21Thank you, slash audio. You're welcome. Our first story pains me to say, but good guys are making news in the first spot today. I feel sick. And you told us, you warned us that they had a very news-making worthy podcast, which they had John Samos on, which is always newsworthy but he spilled major tea for the ggs yeah and you know sometimes ben finds himself at like the crossroads of huge pop culture he's far as gump i always say he's far scump and he has no idea but when he got home from this interview he was like no i'm telling you like it was crazy so i knew the fact that ben was like conscious aware and like enough to acknowledge where he found himself i was like oh this is gonna be good and you know what it's huge news Yeah, so John Stamos is blasting St.

18:05Lori Loughlin's terrible narcissist ex, Mossimo Giannulli, after a shocking split. So we had reported a few weeks ago that Lori Loughlin and Mossimo are divorcing. In the last few weeks, some stuff has come out. The rumor mill is saying that she found some, like, incriminating stuff on his phone. But now John Stamos is adding more color to their relationship and painting it in a light that I just did not see. So he blasted Lori's estranged husband, Mossimo, as a narcissist who masterminded the couple's 2019 college admissions scandal. He said, 40 years I've known her. You can see through people after a few years.

18:40This woman's a saint. I'm just heartbroken for her right now. I really tried to be there for her during the divorce and also with the college scandal. I'm not going to debate whether she had much to do with it or not. I know she didn't. She goes to fucking prison for this asshole for three months. He said he prayed that he hoped that she would get, that he would get help with whatever hole he's trying to fill. whatever negativity or hardships that you've been through in your life is connected to this guy you know i mean while he refused to talk about the alleged infidelity he did say that laurie put up with a lot over the years so you know what i always think about how like it was the women who went to prison in the college admissions scandal felicity huffman not her husband uh william h yeah i was gonna say william defoe that's not his name william h we say uh laurie but it did also make sense that like you know the mothers would be more involved in getting their kids into college which dads tend to take a backseat with like academics.

19:34But it also was like a low key criminal thing. So you would think like the husbands would have been more involved. I'm not sure. So this kind of reaffirms some thoughts like I had had that like, even if it was Lori at the helm, like wouldn't the father sort of like fall on his sword? Like he's the one who goes to prison, like prison is for men, you know, it's not for girls. Yeah, no, it does raise a good point. But now he's also saying not only did she like take the blame for the family, but it wasn't her do it like it wasn't her idea. And I could see that. I could see it, too.

20:11And I know this is so not the point because he's happily married, but I ship like obviously Uncle Becky and Aunt Jessie. And Becky and Uncle Jessie like. Yeah. Yeah. End game. End game. Like John Samos needs to be Olivia Jade's stepfather, even though he's like so happily married. I think he just had a baby and I'm like, no shade, no, no tea, no shade. I just don't think that's your person. Like, no, I understand. But I also feel like Lori Loughlin like needs someone. I didn't even realize that like, this is what we needed. This is what she needed. Need someone to stick up for her in this way.

20:41Like just like a complete like endorsement of her character, especially because like when with the college admission scandal and she went to jail and then people like, she's like canceled. Her character has been called into question. And he's like saying, she's a saint. She's always been a saint. She took the fall for her husband, who's like, that's the bad guy. And even in outside of the college admissions scandal, like he wasn't good to her. Like, I just feel like if I'm her, well, actually, maybe it's starting drama. But I just feel like she like needed like someone to be in her corner. Yeah.

21:14And I think like one thing about Lori, I protect the family. Like her family is everything. Like her girls ride for her so hard. And I think you could tell, like, just based on how her girls, like, talk about her, that she's an amazing mom. And so I don't think she was ever going to break that, even in divorce. Like, we were never going to hear about this because she protects the family. And shout out to John Stamos because things we needed to know, this. Yeah, but it does, like, sort of upend, like, what Lori's trying to do, which is, like, you know. Fuck it. Not have her, but daughter, but like.

21:51Her daughters must know. They seem incredibly close. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure if there was cheating, I'm sure they do know that. And I hope that like Olivia Jade is just leaning on. Jacob Elordi at this time. You do? No, I don't actually. Am I crazy in saying like I think Olivia Jade's too good for him? I'm so over him. It's time to move on. Who's like the new hot young thing that Olivia Jade should date? We always have this conversation and I just, my mind explains. Yeah. We're always talking about like her, Glenn Powell, like the same five people. Oh, Glenn Powell. Right. But they're friends.

22:27You said. They are friends. It's not, it's purely platonic. So as I said, we've had this conversation. Yeah. I guess we have. Unfortunate. Well, all's that to say, like we write for Lori at dawn. Okay. Oh yeah. And John. She's America's aunt Becky. Yeah. and I really do like think slash hope that he didn't you know go rogue in this interview like he had some sort of blessing from Lori just being like yeah burn it down I don't think he had a blessing from Lori but I think he did what he felt was right you know we love a righteous person a righteous gentile yeah a righteous individual I I do hope though that he didn't make things worse for her I don't think he would do that I think they're actually like really close good friends yeah and not ben just like being there for all of it lish lish just there good thing guys went to la literally because all right otherwise like ben would have been just like on zoom and all the articles would have left out his name because it looks like just josh and john are on a podcast yeah is ben i'm looking for photos he's in the clip he's in the clip he's in the clip okay but not the stills but that's okay well always getting the boot that's my husband josh isn't in the stills also to be fair it's like just john okay good good good um are you ready for our next story something that i know that you've really been wanting to discuss and i actually want to talk about it as well kristin bell was dragged for an under unbelievably toned up anniversary post to her husband dax shepherd so kristin bell over the weekend commemorated her husband's birthday their wedding anniversary and she said happy 12th wedding anniversary to the man who once said to me quote I would never kill you a lot of men have killed their wives at a certain point even though I'm heavily influenced incentivized to kill you I would never heart unquote and then the picture is him hugging I couldn't tell if that was like a young daughter or just a little Kristen Bell because like you only see the back of a blonde head is that a daughter that's a little Kristen bell are you sure 1000 yeah the two sat on the bed hugging yeah okay i thought it literally doesn't look like a toddler she does look small but she's small that's all they kept saying in the show nobody wants this and she's so no and their kids are are blonde but also why would you sure claudia stop are you sure let me just get one more look like i wasn't unsure until you asked me okay am i blocked by kristen bell what's her instagram kristen annie bell oh okay annie not me thinking i was blocked jackie this really looks like a young girl

25:13look how big his hand is on her head stop making it weirder than it is

25:22okay you sure are i was not unsure okay fine um so yeah let's talk about how unbelievably weird and unnecessary this is and like you know who i blame for this dead ass i want to know if you know what i'm thinking who do i blame for this come on be my brain come on you can get it i don't know okay i'll give you a clue a different male celebrity who does like weird captions like this come on just tell me van city reynolds oh well look where that landed him i blame ryan reynolds for this because like there was an era where ryan reynolds would just like post pictures of like half his wife's face and be like happy birthday quirky and everybody was like ah they're so cute and it got them like a lot of attention and like couple goals types of things and really he was just like being annoying and rude to his wife on instagram and everybody like ate it up ate it up and now i feel like it's become like a trend like you can't be sincere you have to make a joke and like she's just trying to get attention and like be funny and quirky and obviously like this is weird and wrong not to mention it's domestic violence awareness month and people are saying it's really insensitive a lot of people are commenting and saying like really on domestic violence awareness month which is like yes but also it has nothing to do with domestic violence awareness month like this would just be like a weird thing to say and honestly with the exception of black history month like nobody knows the months you know it's like women's history we don't give a fuck like we know february is black history month and besides that like i don't know what months are celebrating other things and to be honest like i don't give a shit yeah so i feel like that's like not really fair that's not that's not a i agree let's just talk about how weird it is universally yeah i just feel like kristen bell and dax shepherd both of them have just been like made to feel like they can't say anything wrong and they always say weird stuff and they do say a lot of things and i feel like they're always in the headlines for like an instagram caption that's like quirky silly a little taboo but they said it um and they just like took it way too far because they've never been stopped and that's what happens when you go unchecked right because they're just sort of like beloved yeah she did limit comments of you know there are 4500 but she's kept it up oh wait somebody commented i'm reading the comments and this has like thousands of likes i'll be honest until i saw it was an anniversary post i thought he was holding one of his little girls not us wondering if that's one of your daughters or if you are in fact that little okay i'm not the only one who thought that yeah but i think she is very little is this supposed to be funny.

28:03It is supposed to be funny. And I see people in the comments like pouring out their hearts like as a survivor of domestic violence. And I have empathy. I don't think that like these two things like she wasn't trying to hurt you. Yeah. It's just it's just a bad caption. Yeah. It's just like a bad take and just you know losing sight of of the message of the spirit of the day. But let's also just talk about like Dax Shepard as a person saying this. Well, Dax Shepard like says a lot of stuff. That's true. It's kind of his job. Yeah. And like the thing is people in their private lives, like you could have a conversation like about spousal murder.

28:43And I guess when you think about it. You could. You could. And so I could see him saying like, I am highly incentivized to murder. Like I guess there are incentives. Yeah. Life insurance. if she dies like all of her money is his. Your fortune, frozen money, gossip girl. So maybe it was like supposed to be romantic? Yeah, yes. It's supposed to be romantic. Right, he's saying like even though like my life, I could benefit greatly from your death, I would never want that. Because I love you. Right, but he could have said it without being like the murderer. He could have said like, I don't want you to die even though like I would become really rich.

29:27Like him like putting himself as the murderer in this hypothetical situation like does give me pause. Well, I think he just says things like in an intense way for the delivery. Yes, but also this was a private conversation and I wouldn't be nitpicking it if I didn't know about it and I shouldn't know about it. Right, and yeah, just the bringing it into the public just sort of missed the mark. But like I'm not someone who's like, well, she missed the mark. Right, do better. I'm just like let's pivot for next time let's learn yeah like it's not I don't think it's like a huge deal but it's becoming a big deal and the thing is like the more you read a story it's funny because the first time I saw this I'm like oh she made a stupid joke for her husband's anniversary how stupid and then I keep seeing the story and now the more I read the caption I'm like well this is really bad yeah you know and it's just like how if you get inundated with something enough times like you're like well this is a huge deal yeah it is becoming a big deal they are really famous and this is just sort of like the price of being famous like your instagram captions get studied let this be a lesson to them and to all couples who are like annoying um and like quirky like you don't need like a crazy caption for your anniversary posts like just celebrate your anniversary in private and post a cute little collage we'll be okay we don't need to know everything that goes on in your house yeah but i do think the two of them like together and separately feel invincible or have been invincible like they not that they say crazy stuff all the time but like that's their shtick and they've not really been like brought to task i mean i think they are so one of those couples that like gets like questioned because of how much they bathe their kids and shit like that you know they don't use soap that was them right yeah and that's the sort of controversy mila and ashton it was milan ashton but it might also be them that's the sort of controversy they're used to and that they love this has gone like a little right like further than i think they would have now we're veering into like domestic violence awareness month and that's just like never a conversation you want to be in the bad part of right right but i think they have a lot of fans and a lot of people who know their hearts and they'll be okay i think they'll be okay they'll be fine um a couple that will not be okay our next story shots of sunsets mercedes javid files for divorce from tommy fight after seven years of marriage requests custody of their son sham okay this story affected exactly one person me i'm so upset obviously i quote their wedding all the time kians look sick you look like piece of food um but i also believed in their love like if you were if you were a part of like the og Shazza said, like, you just had to be there.

32:13It was the 80s. Like, it was so crazy. And when her and Tommy found each other, he was just this, like, character, this, like, old, like, kind of cynical New Yorker. He's like a character on Sex and the City, I swear to God. And they were so different. They came from different worlds. I mean, she is, you know, from an immigrant family, Persian, finding her way in LA, Glamazon, you know, she made her own money, had her own cars. And he was, like, this sort of, like, blue collar, rough around the edges. And they made no sense together but they were perfect for one another and then like she wanted to be a mom and they had this baby and she had such a crazy pregnancy and delivery and he was there for her amongst other things she literally died on the table like they took out all for organs a crazy story and they just made it through a lot of tough times and i feel like now is sort of like her golden era because the show is off but she's this huge star from traders they have their baby like i can't believe that now they went through so much that now is when they're calling it off i'm shocked i'm shocked and i'm saddened according to the documents obtained by people she submitted her petition in la on friday october 17th which is also listed as their date of separation she cited irreconcilable differences and asked that the court terminated its ability to award both at she and him spousal support she further requested sole physical and legal custody of their six-year-old son shams with tommy receiving visitation on tuesdays after school i don't okay I don't need to know his whole schedule.

33:37But that's like, that's interesting just because that's very little. It was like Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Sunday, like a couple hours Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday. But like, I'm going to. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now I think every mother like ideally goes for sole custody. Right. So I don't know if that's like supposed to be a red flag. Yeah.

34:00Yeah. So sad. Like seriously. Oh, I'm, I'm devastated. Yeah. I'm sad. I just wonder. I can't remember if they announced this or I just like read it on like a Bravo something. But there is like some form of Shaw returning. So not to be like greedy, but I would love to see this in some sort of reality format. Yeah. It sounds like because we read that announcement, like Shaw's is getting like the valley treatment. Right. What did they call it? I think they had a name too. Did they? Let me just look it up. there was like a whole announcement shaz is coming back ladies of london we were like sitting pretty the valley persian style obsessed yeah gg reza and mj will be navigating the next stages of their life in the valley the show will incorporate familiar faces from the original series alongside new cast members yada yada yeah um so ideally yeah yeah well you know what sad for mj but hopefully this breathes life into this new show like a show needs a good scandal like to get it started it's always good yeah very surprising and very sad but we're always rooting for mj so whatever's best for mj is best for ourselves one thing about the toast we are always and before it was cool because everybody loves her now she like slayed on traders excuse me we've been standing since like 2014 whatever's best for mercedes javid is best for me mercedes june i cannot wait for that show to come back like it's seriously if you have if you have the time start trials the sunset from in the beginning i think it's on peacock it's literally there were so many eras i mean i can't go into my shots of sunset like diatribe but like let's me not forget diamond water you should start a shots of sunset rewatch podcast with mj happy too i have so many thoughts and not us being like personally afflicted remember when we had those two freaks on and they like yelled at us who this is the siblings they weren't siblings they fought like siblings they were a couple who I don't want to say their names, but I remember it.

35:59Bobby and Asifa. Why did they yell at us when we do? They were on for one season. And they were just like, I don't know if they can't be still together. They were the most toxic couple. All they did was fight. And they came on the breath as like, we used to recap shots. They came on the breath as guests. And then she sent me like a nasty message afterwards being like, I guess she hadn't seen any of our recaps. And we like weren't on her side. We would say that like her and her boyfriend are so toxic. And she'd be like, if I had seen how poorly you spoke of us, I never would have agreed to come on your show.

36:26I'm like, well, that's your fault for not doing your research. But also, like, that's just the name of the, like, we're just talking about a show. She was, like, very new to the game and she took it out on me. And the best way to get us to stop talking badly about you on the show is to, like, come on our show and, like, be super nice and disarm us. I mean, Danielle Staub, Margaret Josephs. I was such a Margaret hater on her first season. And Jackie was like, no, I think I like her. I'm like, no, I'm telling you she sucks. She came on the toast. Literally could not have loved her more. She's one of my best friends.