Jaxon Claud Osprey: Tuesday, May 26th, 2026

7:47Claudia Oshry:Is he going to go?

7:49Jackie Oshry:So Ben is like definitely working on the budget. Like, but is there a way to go that's not$200 ,000? Well, you can. I think they said today at 10 a.m. is when tickets go on sale face value. It's literally the Aero store. Like, good luck getting something face value. And if you can get face value, they are pricey, but it's not like resale.

8:03Claudia Oshry:I guess he could always go in like, would he ever go in like the$200 ,000 section?

8:07Jackie Oshry:Yeah, of course, of course. Of course. I also, Ben says that it's going to be cheaper, the games that are away. Right, of course. So he's definitely going to travel, and I support that. Okay. We're working it out, you know? We're figuring it out. It's really crazy.

8:20Claudia Oshry:Oh, did you see Kylie was sitting in the second row? Yes, well, I heard that the owner of the Cavaliers said if any of the season ticket holders on the floor sell their tickets to Knicks fans, they'll be banned. Oh, I didn't hear that. So they had to sit in the second row. That's why Travis and Taylor sat in the first row. because they're team Cavalier. But all Knicks fans, no one could get floor seats.

8:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I saw Spike Lee also sitting in the second row. Oh, that's a good tee. I didn't hear that.

8:44Claudia Oshry:I don't know where I heard that.

8:45Jackie Oshry:Well, I do know that if you sit courtside at an away game, you're not allowed to wear logos of the other team. So I thought maybe Kylie and Timothy wanted to rock out, so they put their T-shirts on in the second row?

8:57Claudia Oshry:Yeah, maybe. But her T-shirt was also giving, like, I bought this at the merch stand.

9:01Jackie Oshry:Her T-shirt was seriously giving, like, one of Ben's T-shirts from middle school.

9:03Claudia Oshry:No, and she wore it with blue jeans. Like she was so regular. Except there was nothing regular about it. She was being so funny. Well, then with the black croc. But she was being so funny last night. All like jumping around and taking pictures. And she was getting in like random people's pictures.

9:17Jackie Oshry:I do think she was like a little tipsy. And you know who was definitely drunk? Taylor. There are so many videos of Taylor like at the game. But then also like walking out and Travis taking the picture with the kid. She was turnt. You could tell. She had a cocktail in her hand the whole time and she looked drunk.

9:28Claudia Oshry:I thought she looked drunk. Which I love. But also it's like in one picture. like if you close your if you're in the middle of a blink you look drunk like no i thought the

9:35Jackie Oshry:videos like even when you saw that video of them walking out like a little kid like everyone wants a picture with them but a little kid comes up to travis and taylor like stops travis and grabs him they're like taylor doesn't mess around when it comes to kids like she's like there's a kid go

9:47Claudia Oshry:um i can just tell the way she like gave him a little shove she was drunk also liz posted a video of taylor walking out of the stadium i guess she's always used to people being there for her so she goes to someone thanks for coming you know i saw that too she was like bye everyone thanks for coming like it was a like when you tell your waiter like enjoy you teach her i love you no when the waiters like enjoy your food you're like you too totally she's definitely like kicking herself she was definitely drunk yeah which i love date night date night do you think she has a drinking problem yeah yeah i do does taylor swift have a drinking problem things we're covering on

10:20Jackie Oshry:today's episode this is literally a sports podcast we're back to being so sporty which i'm excited for of course we are and i gotta find out who's on the i think so victor webin yama you know that guy who punched pretty spirits yes he's like the seven i think he's seven eight he's like a ben says he's going to be like a seven no seven eight you've been hanging out with the kids too much i've been hanging out with margo too much margo was at my house this week i miss margo satchel maloney i do have to find out on the other teams like who they end up playing what like the sort

10:45Claudia Oshry:of pop culture implications are well the spurs have ben simmons no he's out of devin no booker no are you sure no i'm not you know who loved hmm oh yeah i guess those are the pop culture

11:00Jackie Oshry:implications the guy who played pretty spears yeah and i will say like a lot of my basketball knowledge is like from when i was in high school because like i was pretending to like basketball like to be cool to boys and i actually ended up like knowing a lot and learning a lot it's just a shame that danilo gallinari isn't here to see this you're telling me and like danilo gallinari

11:19Claudia Oshry:walked so Jalen Brunson could run. It's true. When Ben released his statement about like all the great news. And he didn't include Danilo. That's because like he was threatened by Danilo.

11:27Jackie Oshry:The Danilo erasure. The Gallinari erasure.

11:29Claudia Oshry:Absolutely. I need to comment that. All I could think was like I'm so happy for you. That's a good comment. The Danilo Gallinari erasure. It's disgusting.

11:37Jackie Oshry:So I know that like a celebrity implication to the San Antonio Spurs is like for a really long time their best player was Tony Parker who was married to Eva Longoria like during the height of his career and like she used to go to games and stuff and then he cheated on her. Like disgusting. Disgusting. But now she's married to a billionaire. So we can't root for the Spurs. No, we can't root for the Spurs. I'm commenting on Ben's post.

11:56Claudia Oshry:Before you forget your good comment. Yeah, like before I move on with my life.

12:00Jackie Oshry:Erasure. He'll crack up. Whenever I talk to Ben about like Knicks, I literally bring up players from 2012. So like you're telling me Tyson Chandler's not going. Oh, you know there's a player called Mitchell. I saw your story. Snitchell.

12:13Claudia Oshry:Snitchell.

12:13Jackie Oshry:Like the team is so toast-coded.

12:15Claudia Oshry:It is.

12:16Jackie Oshry:Remember Jalen Brunson like put us on his Instagram last year?

12:18Claudia Oshry:plus Kylie of course

12:20Jackie Oshry:no and then when Taylor was there like it was genuinely too much for me yeah do you think she got some sort of clearance that like Kylie wasn't gonna be there

12:25Claudia Oshry:or she doesn't care no I don't think she's scared she's not scared

12:28Jackie Oshry:also cause she gets front row

12:29Claudia Oshry:and like she has her man yeah yeah it's true once you have your man and like I feel I don't feel like she hates Kylie no Kylie's just like collateral yeah so if she like ran into Kylie I don't think it like I don't think she has like a dartboard with Kylie's face on it like it has Kim well I'm sure we'll talk about the next is that stories um did we just get it out of the way like we sort of did okay we sort

12:52Jackie Oshry:of talked about it well i'm ready and we're going to be talking about it like all i'm transitioning

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17:08Claudia Oshry:Thank you, SlashChart. You're welcome. Our first story, we're going to start with Rory Recap. Okay. Rory Recap and now the basketball drama news. Oh, yeah. I'm not, what's the context on the basketball drama? Okay, so in the most recent episode of Real Houses of Rhode Island, Kelsey accuses Rosie of having slept with a married basketball coach who then paid her off so that she wouldn't talk about it. And that's how she affords her house. And that's how she has money because we don't know how she has money.

17:32Jackie Oshry:And I agree that there is questions, especially now that I know what her husband does for a living. Like I have a lot of questions. Right. I don't think a one time payoff from like a basketball coach, unless it's like, you know, Mike Tibidego or whatever the next coach's name is, like is really going to sustain a whole lifestyle.

17:47Claudia Oshry:I also need to know more about her house, like what neighborhood is like, you know, what sort of neighborhood is what is a lot go for? You know, because she bought the smaller house and is building a bigger house. So like there are different way different varying degrees of how much that could cost. You know, it could cost less than a million dollars. He could have paid her a million dollars.

18:02Jackie Oshry:Then you also sent me a clip this morning from the after show where one of the producers asks her to clarify a little bit more about her finances and her husband's finances. And they also have clips of the other girls talking about things they know about her family, his family. And it's very unclear. Yeah, I wasn't really concerned before.

18:16Claudia Oshry:I didn't find their house to be like so extravagant that I was like, how are they paying for this? I just assumed he has a good job and she's working on the influencing thing, you know, and she's now going to be a housewife. So they'll do well. but like her videos that she was making of like going to local bakeries and stuff like was 30 views so I don't think that was like bringing in the money yet yeah but then she gave an explanation of how they make their money and she like cited a lot of random shit and it was and she has clients like it was so all of a sudden I had concerns I did not have them it's true and I

18:43Jackie Oshry:really thought Kelsey was being like nosy but now I feel like her claims are her concerns are very

18:48Claudia Oshry:valid more than that did you see the most recent episode of tea by the sea no Dave Portnoy joined the conversation because he was like my girlfriend's watching this real housewives of Rhode Island and they said that the girl had a fair with a basketball coach he said and this brings me back to a couple of years ago when the coach of the basketball team for the university of providence providence university all and they're a really good team they have a really strong basketball team all of a sudden left the team he went to go to another state and play somewhere else and at the time there were whispers that he had had an affair and that the wife was like we need we're not staying around here with your mistress like we're leaving town and he moved to a different college team and so that would be the coach in question so i had heard that like

19:35Jackie Oshry:this affair is actually well known like the affair the coach's affair i don't know if it's with rosie of providence there is like people know this story i obviously haven't heard about it but people in

19:44Claudia Oshry:the sport was very involved he sold t-shirts oh yeah it was like a big drama at the time yeah

19:49Jackie Oshry:so i hadn't heard of it but it's not like out of nowhere i assume that they can't say the guy's name it's like slander or whatever um but yeah this most recent episode for me I feel like I was so invested like whose side am I on and I just saw like really ugly sides of everyone that I I really dislike everyone and once again like it was it was such a bad episode for everybody like the under the table thing was not funny it was such a bad episode for Liz like I'm I don't even like Alicia that much but that car scene was really painful she's really mean she's just mean and the thing is like they were like she's the leader she's like everyone wants to impress Liz right like she's the rich one she's the OG Rhode Island like every and she's not like a benevolent leader she's like a bitch and I really don't like her and I think Kelsey like is so desperate to crawl up her ass like she thinks like being mean to everyone is gonna get her that and so I just really don't like her but I don't like anyone I wanted to smack Ashley like guys like why are we yelling it's like you're yelling first of all you're making the biggest you're making a bigger scene and second of all like you brought everyone here to your place of business like for this reason to make a spectacle for your place of business like so Jared can be happy so they're just actually doing what you asked of them because if you actually cared you would have disinvited Kelsey yeah you wouldn't have invited the both of them right no her not being able to function because the girls were fighting and then she's like in the back crying to Jared I know and it's like I want to hate Jared because he's really not a supportive husband and I just want to be clear I do hate Jared but watching it's like your wife's crying like why don't you like rub her shoulder

21:07Claudia Oshry:like something no I'm like your wife's a big baby like you're trying to I think you're trying to run trivia night i think he like can't stand her no i think that he likes her no no i i actually think they have a nice relationship but like you know she has her handicaps as does he and i feel like you're telling me like he's very patient with like her and her emotions and whatnot and she's

21:27Jackie Oshry:very patient with him and his dreams yeah oh god not his dreams um so like it was just a bad episode for everyone like and even though i think liz is nuts and she's obviously like a bad drunk because she's definitely a little drunk in the car and then i think when they think she also like i think

21:40Claudia Oshry:and maybe this is why I prefer Grace. Like when she was sitting in the back row, she was really unhappy. Like you could tell she was just like trying to figure out ways to get up front. When she got in the back row, she was shocked as to how she ended up there.

21:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And I can relate to it. That's what happens when you get in the car first. When you're getting in a Suburban, turdy tip, never get in first.

21:56Claudia Oshry:Like back row with a cheese board, like my personal nightmare. Yeah, the cheese board was really unnecessary and it was pissing me off. They couldn't figure out what to do with it. And then I guess I sort of tuned out the fight. It was just a lot, the fighting in the car. So I didn't realize how mean Liz was getting. But Alicia is like a little bird. And like if she wants to say she's homeless.

22:15Jackie Oshry:Alicia's storyline is like really not cutting it for me. Like your poor decisions in your marriage and like not having any. They're not even married. Oh, sorry. Exactly. In your relationship. And then like your family trauma. Sorry. That's like season four fodder.

22:27Claudia Oshry:I'm just getting to know you and you're bringing nothing. That's what I felt about Joellen having this like lifelong conversation with her mother.

22:32Jackie Oshry:Joellen is like a bone carrier too. Like she's getting the video of Rula. Like she's providing for the storyline.

22:37Claudia Oshry:When she had her mother apologize for like 40 years worth of trauma. On TV. You're giving this us in season one. What if you don't get renewed? Terrible. And you just gave us all that. But Alicia gives nothing outside of that.

22:49Jackie Oshry:Yeah. At least Joellen tries, but she is really two-faced. Because she's right. She was at the dinner saying her husband knew them growing up. Gary said. So it's like she's hyping up Liz and then really being a mediator. It's like, well, you're not a mediator because you started this too. So I understand why. But I think that Liz definitely, I don't think she has a drinking problem. But people who get like that when they're drunk have a problem when they drink. And they shouldn't drink.

23:06Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think it was more of like a motion sickness thing. But also, do you see that like Liz and Dino and the drug bust? Yeah.

23:15Jackie Oshry:Let me tell you something.

23:16Claudia Oshry:When Dino enters the conversation, I'm out. You leave. Yeah. Like, I don't care if Dino was, if Dino's sitting in prison right now. Who is Dino in this world? Yeah.

23:25Jackie Oshry:I don't give a shit. We never got like a package on Dino. We're just like supposed to care about this ancillary character who we literally saw from the back. Like Liz's random fishing friend. I don't care. I'm just like starting. Like, I was like obsessed with the show.

23:36Claudia Oshry:now I'm starting to like hate everyone it's like not that's what I'm saying like it's something to watch and and cool for that but it's not like amazing no and I'm sorry like this can be really

23:44Jackie Oshry:mean everyone is poor and like I like my housewives affluent sorry um I like to be impressed and it's just insane like this is the same show that once housed like Leah Black you know like yeah truly when you look at the women of Beverly Hills and like their wealth and like the connection

24:00Claudia Oshry:like but like what I'll say is I just don't understand like the neighborhoods yet like Like it seems like Liz lives on the water. She has like a very big house. So I guess like she's of means. But like the other women, it's like if that house is in a, you know. A good neighborhood. Insanely rich neighborhood, then that's a really expensive house. If it's not, then it's not an expensive house. None of them are super wealthy.

24:22Jackie Oshry:Like that's really just it.

24:24Claudia Oshry:Okay. Well, I guess they're trying to be more like Salamu then because it's like maybe we don't need the wealth. Maybe they focus too much on wealth in the past.

24:29Jackie Oshry:No, but it's hard to cast wealthy people. Wealthy people don't need to be famous. And a lot of times they don't want to be.

24:33Claudia Oshry:But I also think like Slomu is doing Slomu, like stick with what you do.

24:38Jackie Oshry:No, and The Valley is like the Bravo version of, you know, young mothers, like women in their 30s. Like you have that. Why don't you focus on that? Housewives are supposed to be older women. I'm sorry, older women make good reality TV because they have like no self-awareness. These are not older women. These are not wealthy women. It's just like a random TV show of like honestly a lot of trashy people. I'm not liking it. No, there's a lot of trashiness going on.

24:58Claudia Oshry:Absolutely. The outfits, like everything. Yeah. And the behavior. Of course. So when Kelsey came in and slammed pig, it's like, that's not really how I would react, react to something. So, so fucking insulting and degrading. And it's like, why all of a sudden?

25:13Jackie Oshry:I thought we can't call women sluts and whores and slam pigs.

25:15Claudia Oshry:I just want to say I never subscribed to that. You're all about whores. No, but on TV and on Bravo, like woke nation, you can call her a slut.

25:24Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I think that's like sort of what I don't think Bravo ever really stopped. They were always like accusing each other of being a stripper, Melissa Gorga. But it's like, it's just, it's crazy.

25:33Claudia Oshry:Like that's just nasty. And also when they were, I'm glad they talked a lot about the word because it does sound like a slur. Like it's a crazy word. Yeah. And it's also the way like a nasty guy would talk about a woman. Somebody said that on the episode. Yeah. Locker room talk. And so it's really disgusting. So if I were Kelsey, I would not want to highlight that I was called like an ugly,

25:51Jackie Oshry:like I guess it's her way of saying like, I'm not even close to this, especially because a slam pick is considered unattractive. She's not. So yeah, it's like funny because it's not even close to the truth. But if it was like a little bit like,

26:00Claudia Oshry:I guess because she's also like saying it so much that I'm like, really over it which is good like no it's actually so what i'm saying is that's not how i would go about it but i think she's actually like handling it in a way that's really like diffusing the situation you know it's a lot with the sash and the pigtails question mark why was she wearing

26:16Jackie Oshry:pigtails oh was she i didn't like that and because like so much of my love for her is her look is her look when she compromises her look she compromises the entire situation i don't even

26:25Claudia Oshry:know if she was acting well or not in that situation because i was focused on the fact that the looks were not looking.

26:30Jackie Oshry:Nobody won that fight. I think like any goodwill I had for Rosie after that fight, because she did eat her up. Like she was just like screaming, you're a loser. Like I sounded just like her. Yeah. It wasn't a good fight. Like the under the table thing was stupid.

26:45Claudia Oshry:And also you were right. Rosie like got, I guess, chewed up at the castle. I didn't even notice that that was happening, but she did. And then she like went home and thought of all of her insults. And then the next, and then you see, I watched in the previously on, in that conversation with Rich, she was like if they come for you give them hell so she's like ready to give them hell nobody really came for her the wing wing is a joke yeah like it was a joke it wasn't she didn't think she's a house but how could that not be how could that be anything other than a joke of course no one right

27:12Jackie Oshry:it was a self-deprecating joke which is a good way to go into a situation of herself yeah so i didn't

27:17Claudia Oshry:think it was that funny but like she's making fun of herself she's trying to diffuse the situation and that's when you decide to unleash like everything that you worked on in your room in the mirror all the insults you were going to sling I'm not impressed agreed I'm not impressed agreed so that's your Rory recap yeah our next story Copper's Bell Burden oh my god okay so I finished

27:37Jackie Oshry:the book and let me just tell you what I thought about the book I really liked it short and sweet like she tells you what happens in the first chapter and then you like have to suffer through her family history which is interesting but like what happened what's happening to your house like that's what I want to know um and yes it is a story that every woman should read because if it can happen to this insanely like generationally wealthy well-educated woman it can literally happen to anyone so now I think a lot of the criticisms one in which we'll talk about today is like she's so privileged but like the book was kind of insufferable in her acknowledgement of her privilege it's like okay we get it you're rich but like you're still a person like she just kept having to caveat her wealth like her family wealth to the point where it was like okay we get it like you not want us to feel bad for you and then also like the bird metaphors like I understood the point but like she really went a little too hard like every I skipped every paragraph when I saw the word Osprey I'm like I'm out like it was so what do you mean Claudia Osprey it was just such a heavy-handed metaphor and like in the beginning I thought I got it yeah and by the end I was like okay we're like beating this a little yeah but that's like you know that's what the literary world wants to see yeah and I didn't know that it was a story born out of a modern love submission but I remember this modern love submission going so viral so when she was talking about it in the book I brief like I kind of knew what she was talking about she's an excellent writer definitely an interesting story um and now a lot of people are debating you know the merits of her divorce and the New York New Yorker or New York New Yorker did like a big investigation because they went through her court documents obviously all these are like public filings what she had said in the book was that her she's a wealthy woman who married like a middle-class guy with like a job

29:09Claudia Oshry:with and he worked in finance so like with a lot of earning potential right and they were married

29:13Jackie Oshry:for a long marriage. They had kids who were well into their teenage years. They were probably married like 20 years, little less. If you haven't read the book yet, this is a spoiler. He woke up one day at the very beginning of the pandemic. The world shut down. They go to their house in Martha's Vineyard. He wakes up one day. She finds out that he had an affair. She literally got a call from the lady's husband. She's walking to tell him and he tells her and he leaves. And literally, she never sees him again. Maybe three or four times he wants no custody. He does not want to see the kids. He wants no involvement in their life.

29:39Jackie Oshry:He wants out completely. He never wants to see her again. And he acts like the sun is shining too. Like the whole time they never even fight. Like, cause he just is gone. He just like disappears. So the book is like her dealing with like, you know, the morning of her marriage, you know, feeling so confused, like literally. What was what in her relationship?

29:52Claudia Oshry:Did she ever even know this person? Right.

29:55Jackie Oshry:And then we learn a lot about her history and his history. He like grew up in a wealthy family that like lost their money. So they were like fine, but he obviously had this like innate drive to like get back to his, restore his family's glory. So he worked in finance and he eventually worked his way up to like a huge hedge fund. She really had no idea how much money he was making because their financials were kind of weird. They had separate financials, but a joint bank account. And every month they both contributed, even though she stopped working. She did not work. She raised her three kids.

30:23Jackie Oshry:But she had a lot of family money. So they both contributed to this bank account.

30:26Claudia Oshry:But it's also tied up in trust.

30:28Jackie Oshry:It's not like she's just like, you know, walking around banging the credit card. So they would both contribute to this joint bank account and that would pay all the household bills. So she really did not know how much money her husband was making. And she said like she was like kind of blissfully unaware. She really, really trusted and he was like a real, she married like a safe guy. He wasn't like the hottest, coolest. He was just like a good, smart, really nice guy. They met at a law firm. She was a lawyer. She quit her job. And then she tells us about her family,

30:50Claudia Oshry:which is like, you know, she has connections to Standard Oil. Yeah, on her father's side, she is a descendant of Cornelius Vanderbilt. On her mother's side, one of the founders of Standard Oil and her grandmother was the socialite Babe Haley.

31:01Jackie Oshry:So there wasn't like unlimited money for her, but she does say that like her stepmother and her mom helped her with like the kids' tuition. And they had trust for her

31:09Claudia Oshry:and she used money from her inheritance to buy their apartment in New York when they first got married and a house on Martha's Vineyard. So when she took the money out of her trust and then put it in a marital home, thus making it like marital property. Her family made her sign a prenup when she got married and her husband said that anything that is used to buy.

31:30Jackie Oshry:He basically said anything that we bring into the marriage is separate.

31:35Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

31:35Jackie Oshry:But anything we make in the marriage, everything separate, like just everything separate. But legally, like any marital home is going to be 50 50. So her lawyer was like, I really do not advise this. And she went against legal advice.

31:47Claudia Oshry:What she did, the prenup that she signed was worse than not having a prenup at all. Of course, because if she hadn't had a prenup at all, she would have been entitled to half of what he made during the marriage. But what they signed was basically you keep all the money that you make. I'm no longer working. And I'm putting before he made his millions. They bought the apartment. They spent all of her family money. She spent her family money, which takes it from being inheritance money to marital property.

32:10Jackie Oshry:Inheritance money cannot be taken in a divorce. It is protected. Yeah.

32:13Claudia Oshry:So, like, if that money stayed in trust, he wouldn't have access to it, prenup or no prenup.

32:16Jackie Oshry:But because she bought millions of dollars in real estate in both of their names, she put her husband's name on every deed, even though he did not contribute$1 to their home.

32:23Claudia Oshry:So she literally gave him half of her trust because she drained her trusts to buy those homes while he got to keep every single penny that he made. It was the world's worst prenup.

32:32Jackie Oshry:And they had a really good marriage, and she wasn't really worried. and she said they always had plans to just like call the lawyer and have it voided and the one time they actually went to do it he was like oh let's just like not do that and she was like okay so they never really addressed it and then he literally like had a lobotomy woke up one day and decided he hated his family never wanted to see his children or family ever again um and the one last thing wait i wanted to say oh so in the book she's talking about how during the process of the filings um she thinks she's gonna lose both of her houses and he's like

32:57Claudia Oshry:really like being like the worst because she can because he's owed 50 of each house even though when he left her he said you can keep the apartment at the very end he just wanted to like make her in the beginning oh yeah in the beginning he's like I'm leaving keep Martha's Vineyard keep the apartment I don't want anything from the kids like but I'm leaving goodbye so they go through all the court proceedings and filings and she's so like mad at him rightfully so that she files a petition um she never tells us exactly what's in the petition but we she like alluded to the fact that it was pretty scathing and really enraged him and he was like well never mind I'm coming for half the house and half the apartment and you will lose both of those things and you don't get

33:36Jackie Oshry:like half of my fortune right and the fortune so she didn't really know like how much money he was making and then when everything came out in the divorce she found out like he was worth like almost 100 million dollars he was working at a huge he was a partner at a hedge fund yeah like insane she had no idea how wealthy it was but he literally kept his own money and let her and her family's dwindling inheritance continue to support their lifestyle also he was so cardboard oh yeah

33:58Claudia Oshry:He was so cheap. He was so cheap. He wouldn't let them do anything. Like, oh my God, he was so cardboard with the finances.

34:03Jackie Oshry:So now this New Yorker article is like looking at. And to the point of being controlling, you know. Yes, yes. But she like blamed it on his family trauma, you know, when they lost all their money. Obviously, he's got a lot of trauma.

34:13Claudia Oshry:Oh, so in their divorce proceeding, he's hanging over her head like you're going to lose the apartment and the house. You'll have to move. Like you'll get half of what it's worth, but then you have to buy somewhere else. Or you have to buy me out. She couldn't buy him out. Even though when he initially left, he said like you can have the thing. And then at the end, like right before they're about to go to trial, he gives it. He says you can keep both houses. And but she like for months, maybe even years, like she thought she was losing her homes.

34:39Jackie Oshry:So what this article like their big revelation is that they looked through the court documents and he also gave her a three million dollar settlement. And so like she's not honest and she's privileged. And like now I think that they feel like her whole story is invalidated because she did leave that out. And I just want to say like$3 million is amazing. Please give it to me. But like the people that we're talking about, like that's not a lot of money compared to his wealth. If somebody you're married to, you feel like you put your whole life on hold so he can earn$100 million, you really do deserve 50 and you get three?

35:10Jackie Oshry:Like that's not a lot. I don't know why she didn't include it in the book.

35:13Claudia Oshry:Also, he's paying child support until the children are 22.

35:17Jackie Oshry:Thanks, you've never seen your children. Like so her child support does amount to$600 ,000 a year, which like obviously is a lot of money but like he doesn't ever want to see his kids again so yeah thanks for the money they got to go to school like yeah no and it's like her family was paying

35:31Claudia Oshry:for tuition and like their whole lives ticket things and he was just hoarding all of his money

35:35Jackie Oshry:so now like of course everything that's what like ability is oh no so they're like they're casting

35:40Claudia Oshry:like doubt you know she's not that sympathetic and the thing is i don't really care about the details like sure it's good to know that she had she wasn't like destitute yeah after the fact they also cited the fact that she had like these huge trusts there's one in her name that's 45 million dollars right but it's like left for her to take care of her stepmom she doesn't have access to 45 million dollars that doesn't even matter even if she did conceptually this is the law

36:02Jackie Oshry:your inherited money does not marital so like great she has a lot of money she is still entitled not because of her dumb ass prenup but hypothetically she gave up her whole life to raise her family like she is entitled and also he got wealthy off of her back because his first job in finance was at like her brother or her uncle's company and i do think that's how he got so wealthy yeah so it's just like no the naysayers like people are getting so lost in the details when i feel like yes the bigger point is like look this is a woman who had access to the best lawyers to the best trust the best everything the best financial advisors and even she almost lost everything it hadn't been for his last minute mediation it's not like they didn't advise like

36:38Claudia Oshry:she went against legal advice which is insane to do no she's like dumb yeah that has to be like said yeah we have to talk about like the book itself but anyway so this new yorker article is just like you know saying oh she's all this moneyed and whatever and i guess she could have included that she wound up getting like spousal support and child support um but it doesn't take away from like the message of the book which is like women need to be financially literate in their marriages understand what's going on don't like also don't go against legal advice yeah no it's literally don't give away your inherited money to your husband while also ensuring that he doesn't have to give you a penny of his money.

37:13Claudia Oshry:Absolutely. Like that's really the message. But the more I like think about the book, like because at first I'm like, oh, what a crazy story, you know, strangers. Then I'm like starting to think about it. It's like every woman needs to read this book. Every woman needs to like realize like what could happen. The best marriage.

37:31Jackie Oshry:She didn't marry someone who was like a risk. She said I married someone so safe. She loved him so much. There was no red flags. It was a good marriage. Yeah.

37:39Claudia Oshry:So like the fact that this could happen, like know that. you know and also you know to have the world's worst prenup right know that too um but then like the more time I spent thinking about the book like I found her to be really frustrating yeah like I think she's like everyone's here now like this victim but it really bothers me that she like kept forcing her kids to like go over there he got an apartment like without even a room for no he

38:00Jackie Oshry:got he got a second bedroom and he turned it into an office without a room for the 12 year old

38:04Claudia Oshry:daughter same and it's like if you don't want to see the kids like I'm not going to put my kids in that environment and i feel like so often when women like get divorced and they don't want to it's like it's a tragedy that they're not going to have their kids 100 of the time when what they wanted was a family all of the time so it's like the fact that he didn't really want to see them

38:20Jackie Oshry:like thanks right it could have been so much worse like you also then like he's fighting you for

38:23Claudia Oshry:custody right right that felt like such a blessing yeah i mean it's it is admirable like when you

38:28Jackie Oshry:when you get divorced like you never want your kids to think ill of your partner even if your partner did something really bad like but the kids figured it out it was at the beginning it was

38:37Claudia Oshry:admirable like oh wow you're not going to keep them from him that's like nice because he's like wait why are you why are you forcing them into this environment where they're not wanted

38:43Jackie Oshry:the wind up was that like he barely sees the kids now and like she ran into him on the street and he was like hey like I do also think the underlying thing that wasn't being spoken was he sounded like he was also going through like a psychosis or something like but I do think the reaction to the book was like a lot of people who went through similar things like middle-aged men wake up one day and I don't know if it is like a psychotic break or something but they wake up one day and they just

39:06Claudia Oshry:are different people yeah but she also had alluded to the fact that when he was in college like he was like i don't know fucking around or whatever and he like one day just got serious about like college and life earning and life and like the fact that he could do such a reversal like that maybe should have been a warning to her that he's like capable of just like flipping you know like just being a different person um but that was really the only red warning she had but even i wouldn't think that i'd be like oh you were fucking serious like right so uh i don't know I don't know what if it's just like men.

39:35Claudia Oshry:Like not that I care about this guy. But like I would. I'm curious how he sees it.

39:41Jackie Oshry:Well, obviously this is the ultimate revenge, right? Like you get to tell your story, which is like cathartic. But it's beloved. It's being turned into a movie. It's Oprah's wish list. Gwyneth Paltrow is playing you. And like you're the big loser. It's like six months on the New York Times bestseller. Yeah. And it's like and you're the villain in the story. And like now everyone's going to get to watch your divorce unfold through her perspective. It's like a nightmare. The thing is, I think he's genuinely mentally ill. Like I don't think he cares. just because like his behavior yeah is that of a person going through a mental illness it is it is

40:08Claudia Oshry:i would just like i would want to understand how he even like narrates this story to himself he

40:15Jackie Oshry:approved the modern love piece like i do think he's actually like in psychosis for real maybe who would approve that like even if you like don't have anything to hide who wants your he's a private guy who works in finance like who wants his shit out there yeah nobody does yeah the worst most intimate parts of your marriage like yeah it was a really good book I highly recommend it I'm glad I read it after a hundred years yeah especially because like everyone's talking about it's going to be a movie on Netflix starring Gwyneth Paltrow she's going to get her bag speaking of Bell Burton's going to get her bag back oh yeah speaking of movies um being turned books being turned into movies on Netflix I do think like Netflix is probably like we don't give them enough hate they're the worst at turning books into movies so I watch Remarkably Bright Creatures and based on now I know the story like I see how the book was like really sweet like it's a sweet story that adaptation was horrible like seriously sally field should be ashamed like her story do you think yes it's razzy material like her storied career on this actual lifetime movie birthday buddy yeah your birthday buddy like oh and the mar odom's gonna be so devastated the guy the main guy is that guy lewis pullman who dates i didn't finally i'm like now i love him he was lessons in chemistry he was cute but like i could i i now know what the book's about and ben was being so like the girl who read the book you know he was like you could tell from his um yeah from

41:31Claudia Oshry:his instagram stories about it from his instagram stories and he did tell me what they changed and

41:34Jackie Oshry:i will say the things that they decided to change were completely inconsequential and like who cares um but ben's like new here so he was like i can't believe they changed he wasn't that guy and um i was like okay but netflix is really bad they did luckiest girl live which like was really bad i'll never admit that it was bad but it was it wasn't great yeah i'll never say it was bad prime is good They do good TV shows. Hulu is great. Tell Me Lies. Netflix is really bad. Their department needs to be fired and start over. Start from scratch. I hope they don't ruin Strangers Bell Burden.

42:04Claudia Oshry:I think Gwyneth will save it. Sally Field. Did you say the Nicole Kidman one, Perfect Strangers? Perfect Couple. Perfect Couple. Worst fucking show ever.

42:12Jackie Oshry:The best book ever. Netflix sucks. Yeah. They need to do better. And they get good titles. Yeah. Perfect Couple was one of the best selling books a couple of years ago.

42:21Claudia Oshry:Yeah. We love that book. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three.

42:25Jackie Oshry:Oh, yeah. Sorry. I got a lie.

42:26Claudia Oshry:But the next three like sort of like fade into each other. Don't worry. So do you think I'm ready? No, no, no. I think I'm ready.

42:32Jackie Oshry:Oh, you think I'm ready? No, I think I'm not ready. No, I think you're ready.

42:34Claudia Oshry:I think you're ready. That was like a big two stories. Like we talked a lot. No, but do you think I'm...

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47:00Claudia Oshry:Thank you, Turdback. You're welcome. Our next story, Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner are enjoying an affectionate dinner date after their Hawaii vacation changed everything

47:09Jackie Oshry:oh did it not for me I'm so uninspired sources say the Hawaii vacation changed everything for

47:15Claudia Oshry:them in their relationship you're not saying that oh no no the sources are saying that they're not nothing's actually I wouldn't say a trip traveling with someone you know I wouldn't say every they also are in Montecito having dinner yeah so that's like another trip sort of but I think she has a

47:28Jackie Oshry:house there it's hard for me to care I don't know why um no it's good think about Kylie oh right

47:34Claudia Oshry:It's good for Kylie and Timothy, double dates. I think the four of them should go to the Knicks game together.

47:39Jackie Oshry:I feel like Jacob and Kendall feel more compatible with, like, Kim and Louis to me. Because, like, it's such an obvious pairing, right? The most famous woman in the world.

47:46Claudia Oshry:Didn't Louis date Kendall or something?

47:48Jackie Oshry:Louis Hamilton?

47:50Claudia Oshry:Yeah. The guy that's dating Kim dated Kendall? They were, like, spotted together once or something, like, in 2016.

47:57Jackie Oshry:There's a couple of, like, weird overlaps. Like, Travis writing about Kim Kardashian in his book. and then I'm like Jess and Bieber they say like maybe dated a few of the sisters um let's pretend that they didn't I feel like it's such an obvious pairing right like Kim dating Louis Kendall dating Jacob Lordy like they literally look like siblings I just find it so uninspiring I am excited that's also Kylie like I'm so on board with Kylie and Timothy but in the beginning I was like ew like who is this little shrimp like it just didn't but I like when people keep me on my toes like I like being confused and there's nothing confusing about this Kendall and no but like if they get serious

48:29Claudia Oshry:like that's she doesn't get serious like a lot who kendall really i feel like she's had a lot long term but not serious because she'd be like married right or have a baby so i'm interested in the seriousness that they seem to be at they're together like every day i'm still waiting for jacob

48:46Jackie Oshry:alordi and joey king to go back together are you no no no i like this i do i'm ready for her like

48:55Claudia Oshry:I feel like I need like I'm ready for her to get serious.

48:59Jackie Oshry:Yes. It is crazy that she's the only one in her family who like hasn't settled down.

49:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

49:02Jackie Oshry:Never been engaged.

49:04Claudia Oshry:We'll see. We'll see. Also this leads to our next story. It blows nicely because the euphoria So aren't you glad that I did the ad break first? Yeah that's why I said because like I wouldn't want to stop right now. I wouldn't want to stop right now because Jacob Lordy

49:14Jackie Oshry:is also in the news because Wait so this is spoiler alert. This is a spoiler for Euphoria. My favorite show to watch on Instagram. I actually haven't seen it in reels yet but Me neither. Maybe it's like it's taking a couple because I think it happened on Sunday.

49:24Claudia Oshry:It's taking a couple. Usually I see it Monday morning, but I've heard about the fact that the euphoria creator, the euphoria character who dies, who dies, spoiler alert, now everyone knows, is Nate Jacobs. Who is Jacob Elordi's character. Who's Cassie's husband.

49:40Jackie Oshry:And based on what I had seen, was like he was in some financial stress and I think he had maybe like taken money from a loan shark. So I'm going to guess like it was a loan shark that got him.

49:48Claudia Oshry:Yes, so the loan sharks, I guess in the last couple episodes, they cut off his toe. They cut off his fingers. I haven't seen that. And then the loan sharks buried him alive in a coffin. And then a rattlesnake got into the coffin.

50:01Jackie Oshry:And? Bit him. Okay, that's good. Actually, that's a better way to die. And then he like, yeah. Being buried alive, like seriously, I'd rather die any other way.

50:10Claudia Oshry:Any other way. Well, Cassie and I think Maddie were on their way to save him. And they would have gotten to him if he was just like laying there not having been bitten by a rattlesnake.

50:21Jackie Oshry:Oh. but I'd rather die through a rattlesnake bite how did the snake get in the coffin well it's

50:26Claudia Oshry:underground so it's just like but was it in the coffin or I don't know I don't I didn't see this

50:30Jackie Oshry:part I actually cannot think too hard about being buried alive like it sometimes I see those like AI stimulation videos where they're like this is what happens when you get buried alive like I actually can't I cannot think of a worse fate yeah I've been watching like a lot of AI like

50:45Claudia Oshry:series is of course me as well strawberries like oh of course the strawberries I watch Strawberries who aren't Gina is coming for her husband, the broccoli. Have you seen the one about the spoons, the four spoon siblings? No. Oh, my God. So there's two spoons that have babies. They have four babies. A diamond spoon, like a gold spoon, a ruby spoon, and then one regular silver spoon. Okay. And the three gem spoons are so mean to their brother. And they grow up like bullying the regular spoon. And the regular spoon goes to his parents like they're so mean to me. So the mom like tries to fix it and then they are even worse to him.

51:23Claudia Oshry:But then all the spoons go to university and they're like the three gem spoons are like so excited. We're going to run this town. But it's very much like 21 Jump Street where actually the losers are cool and the cools are losers. So Silver Spoon gets with this girl that gem spoons had their eye on. But then they start to they say to the girl, we'll start nasty rumors about you if you don't stop talking about Silver Spoon.

51:44Jackie Oshry:Oh, my God. OK, no. The ones that I saw was like, did you see the one where they're all fruit? and like the fruits give birth to an orange and the orange is like no i'm an apple no i'm an apple

51:52Claudia Oshry:and they like transition him to an apple yeah it was like the who is making these like and sometimes i find myself watching this when i'm like i'm watching a video about spoons when like i have 20 emails to go answer when i have a hundred dirty spoons in the same when i have like three kids yeah

52:09Jackie Oshry:no it's insane i like fall you have to watch the orangina one she comes to the strawberries husband

52:13Claudia Oshry:who's a broccoli it's insane i started to watch this one about a maid who showed up to this wealthy woman's house and she just had a sinister look on her face it's funny how we've like not seen the same ones like none of these sound familiar so many i love the ai like fruit series yeah or this like fat guy who like marries like this girl and she's like using him and he like starts getting to shape and it's really beautiful but then it's like follow for part two i'm like okay i'm gonna go to my family now my human family that's funny but there was a ruby spoon he was so mean no he No, he wasn't.

52:47Claudia Oshry:You could tell he felt bad. Like he was the moral compass.

52:50Jackie Oshry:He's better than that.

52:50Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Alex Earle says a recent run-in with her ex left her in tears. Claudia chose this story. Yeah, yeah. Would you not have? I didn't even see it until you chose it.

53:01Jackie Oshry:You know, because they actually did some investments together during their time. So they're both investors in Sip Marg's. So sometimes they have to go to Sip Marg's events. I forget it was this weekend. He needs to divest. Sip Marg's is hers. Absolutely. It's like Asia too. But she made a TikTok. like she was crying but she was like i saw braxton more in really good terms i don't know why she

53:19Claudia Oshry:was crying yeah she didn't un get ready with me um she said that she saw braxton they were taking pictures together and then someone was like alex get a solo shot and so she pushed him out of the way she said it was funny and fun and then it wasn't and then she spent the whole night being

53:32Jackie Oshry:like where is he like crying this is not the first time she's run into him and then like made an emotional tiktok about it and i feel like if you're doing that like twice like maybe you're

53:40Claudia Oshry:still in love and you should just get back together yeah and like he seems like so what moved on and adjusted and like I think that's a little psychopathic oh you think like it's bell burden's husband no it's just like obviously like you guys broke up because Alex wanted to correct obviously so why are you not more heartbroken sometimes you don't want to be

53:59Jackie Oshry:with someone who doesn't want to be with you you know what I mean it's kind of curative to be broken up with I do think it's actually harder to be broken up and to be the breaker upper than to be broken up with I agree you don't have to make the hard decision it's out of your control there's

54:10Claudia Oshry:nothing you could have done and you might not regret it. And you get to be the victim. Everybody feels sorry for you as opposed to like if you break up with someone who's going to feel sorry for you. That was your choice. But if you break up with someone like you run the risk of regretting it. Yeah, of course. You get broken up with, you don't regret anything. You didn't do it.

54:24Jackie Oshry:No, it's hard to make choices and big decisions. Absolutely. It's easier to have them like made for you. A hundred percent. And even though it's hard in the moment, like you do become better because of it. So I would rather be broken up with a hundred times. Yeah.

54:33Claudia Oshry:And everybody feels bad for you.

54:35Jackie Oshry:I don't like love people feeling bad for me.

54:37Claudia Oshry:No, but I'm not saying you want people to feel bad. But the world wants to be like the victim. Everyone would rather be the victim. That's true. Not us. No, never. But maybe some of our -

54:47Jackie Oshry:Not us, we're oppressors. We are oppressors, big time. But you know who we might feel bad for? Some of our submissions.

54:53Claudia Oshry:Oh, no.

54:54Jackie Oshry:So today's Dear Toasters is brought to you by Weight Watchers because they understand how important it is that we do Weight Watchers. And they knew by sponsoring the segment, we couldn't punt it off till tomorrow. And we have some very exciting submissions sponsored by Weight Watchers. So, hey, Jackson Claude. I've been at my current job for about six months and I'm having an issue with my new boss. He's always offering me candy. Hear me out He doesn't take no for an answer And it's boarding on harassment I'm trying to watch my weight And besides that It just feels annoying When I politely say no thank you He persists He insists To the point where It just makes me upset I've told him in a joking way That he's gotta stop But he still offers me Junk food multiple times a day I know it would be crazy To go to HR to complain But I need advice And validation for my two faves Do I just continue to complain To my sister Or should I find a new job Am I wrong for being So bothered by this Pick me and I promise I'll follow your advice And send you an update

55:35Claudia Oshry:Find a new job That's dramatic Because he offers you candy Just take it

55:38Jackie Oshry:We throw it in the garbage. Is it so easy to find jobs? Like, we're just quitting them because you're... No, but also, like, sometimes... What if you just were honest? Being like, oh, hey, like, I'm struggling with my weight. Can you fuck off in, like, a more HR appropriate way?

55:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah, just be like, oh, I'm not having candy right now. Like, just, yeah, be honest or... Just the difference, though, between men and women.

55:53Jackie Oshry:Like, a man would never think, like, consistently offering food to a woman, like, is offensive. He's like, what do you mean? I'm sharing. Whereas, like, I see, like, it's absolutely warfare and he needs to stop. Like, you can have a little sweet treat in the office. Well, you should indulge every now and then just to be nice. But why don't you just be honest being like, show me your Weight Watchers app. But listen, I'm on the Core Plus program. Like, can you not? Because that little Snickers is more points than like a thing of ground turkey. Like, Kim, there's people that are dying and your boss is offering you too much candy.

56:18Claudia Oshry:Do you see this?

56:19Jackie Oshry:Unless he's a predator. Jackie, you should bring a big vat of ground turkey because ground turkey is zero points. Be like Tim or whatever. It's like, do you think I can eat that? Look at what I'm eating.

56:29Claudia Oshry:No, or be like, Tim, this whole vat is zero points. Oh, I love this little Snickers. This little Snickers is five points. which one is going to be more filling and then he'll be like okay get out yeah why don't you

56:39Jackie Oshry:just torture him with like all your fun facts that you learned on the weight watchers app and then maybe he'll leave you alone that is annoying like i feel like actually as a co-worker like you don't bring me enough sweet treats yeah okay i can work on it yeah just like a little

56:53Claudia Oshry:note for you i was like gonna make a pargy loaf actually i made one yesterday it flew you don't bring me any loaves i know i was making one this morning but i didn't have enough time to make it maybe tomorrow will be your day for a pargy loaf. I wonder how many points that is.

57:05Jackie Oshry:I was going to say, I'll have to scan it.

57:06Claudia Oshry:I wonder, I feel like it's really not so bad.

57:08Jackie Oshry:I'll have to scan it. Stop the guesswork and start something that just works. Join the Weight Watchers Core Plus program for the ultimate weight loss to support and get better results. Go to WeightWatchers.com slash toast to get a special offer for the toast listeners. That's WeightWatchers.com slash toast for a special offer and just to say thanks for the DTQ, you know? Yeah. Big thanks. That. That. I just want to say her final question. That. Do I just complain to my sister or should I find a new job like that's insane that's insane why would you find a new job also you could ask each other like move your desk like there's a million things you

57:37Claudia Oshry:could do before you quit your job because there's too much candy although that is my favorite time

57:42Jackie Oshry:of year like when I used to like intern at like um like media companies like any corporate gig that I could get like during the holiday season Halloween so many sweet treats people would bring in like baked goods that's like the best time of year it's also the best time to have a corporate job like if I ever have to go back to the corporate world like I will start my gig in October and by

57:58Claudia Oshry:the new year i'm out what you get so many days off is we just like came out of like the the stretch of like boring year like we're in the home stretch now because it's like pargy spring going into pargy summer pargy fall halloween christmas like yeah we're gonna have a pargy fall it's fine we're gonna have a pargy fall that's what i've been saying but we also are gonna have a pargy summer actually it was last year which we also have a gargi pargy fall remember

58:17Jackie Oshry:that was two falls ago oh so we're due for a gargi pargy one yeah because you know us we only have good years every other year so this is our year so was 2026 is a good year

58:28Claudia Oshry:So far, so good. No, but I mean like an R, because we always go like. Was 20, I think 20, yeah, because 2025 was really like a year of growth. We had two maternity leaves. Like we weren't popping off.

58:37Jackie Oshry:Yeah, it's true. It's true.

58:38Claudia Oshry:I think we're going to pop off.

58:39Jackie Oshry:Now we're enjoying the fruits of our labor.

58:40Claudia Oshry:I think we're going to pop off this year. I love that.

58:42Jackie Oshry:All right, our next year toasters. Hey, Swirlies. Please help. I'm pregnant with my second child and my husband and I cannot agree on a girl name. We already have a daughter. We don't know the gender of this baby yet. And we have a boy name locked in. But girl names, it's just a war zone. The issue is that I'm loving the name Cleo.

58:58Jackie Oshry:Cleo was the name of my husband's childhood dog. Not just any dog, but like the sole dog status. He thinks naming a baby after a dog is insane. I think it's adorable and meaningful. I also have a cousin literally named after my uncle's childhood dog, and no one in the family thinks it's weird. So Swirlies, am I crazy? Is this a hard no? Turney, would you ever consider naming a child after Theo? Great question. Please tell me before this baby. We can help because we have this situation, but the difference is, so I love the name Theo. Like I think when Theo was alive, I wished that I didn't use it because I would have named my child.

59:28Jackie Oshry:Lo and behold, Theo died and I was free to use it. Now I just feel like the name's a little too trendy, so I don't want to use it anymore.

59:33Claudia Oshry:But would you, say it wasn't, would you name a child Theo down the line? Absolutely, first of all.

59:40Jackie Oshry:Second of all, but stop saying that you're naming it after the dog. Like if I had a child, his name would be Theo because his name is Theo. Not named after, I agree, naming after a dog is weird. But you can give the dog, sorry, you can give the baby the dog's name, but it's not being named after the dog. It's not meaningful. The two things are not related. No, I think it's weird to name a human after a dog.

59:58Claudia Oshry:No, that's insane. You're fine to name the dog Cleo. I actually really like that name. Name the baby Cleo.

1:00:05Jackie Oshry:I don't know if you were looking for approval.

1:00:06Claudia Oshry:He needs to grow up, you know?

1:00:08Jackie Oshry:Yeah, you're still crying over your childhood dog. You're a father.

1:00:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah. You're a father? You're going to forsake the right name for your daughter because some dog that's like... I would also be giving you different advice if I thought the name was really ugly,

1:00:21Jackie Oshry:but I happen to think Cleo is such a cool name.

1:00:22Claudia Oshry:And I agree. Theo is completely analogous to this situation. I would name a child Theo. You would name a child if we wanted to. The Theodore Fichemine of it all is not what's stopping us. No, and sometimes when people in our family are pregnant, the name Theo always comes up because we all do a lot of classic older names. And the dog is never the reason why we don't go with it.

1:00:40Jackie Oshry:No, I think that just like if I named my son Theo any version, he would be like the fifth Theo in his class. Everyone's like Teddy, Theodore. You know, I just feel like it's too common now.

1:00:50Claudia Oshry:It's such a great name.

1:00:51Jackie Oshry:I was so ahead of my time, don't you mind?

1:00:52Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Because like, yeah.

1:00:54Jackie Oshry:It's such a great name. It's such a great name. and there was actually a kid in my grade named Theodore, and he was such a nice guy. So I think of him fondly. All right, next up, third and final. Hey, Swearlays. I'm a 41-year-old divorced mother of two. My first marriage ended because of some pretty crazy domestic violence. I was single for about four years before meeting my now fiancé. He, too, was divorced with three kids. We got engaged last September. His ex-wife has always been drama, but recently it's really kicked up the crazy showing up drunk at our house when it's her time with the kids to tell him that she loves him and wants him back.

1:01:23Jackie Oshry:She has said horrible stuff about my daughter. My daughter and his son are actually in the same class at school, and it got back to us. She says nasty things about me throughout our community. She's just the worst. Anywho, my fiance always says that he doesn't really want to set some boundaries with her because he thinks it'll only make her crazier because conflict and cause conflict for the kids. But what about me and my kids and how she continues to affect us? Am I just being overdramatic and I need to let it go? Or do I need to put my foot down and demand some more, if you will, from my fiance?

1:01:45Jackie Oshry:Thanks. I'm a swirly in need of some sound advice. What's so funny is that I feel like I chose a different one. I've never read this one before, and I like it.

1:01:51Claudia Oshry:It's a good one. I feel a little out of my depth. This feels like grown-up problems.

1:01:55Jackie Oshry:This is such a grown-up problem. But she said that like the mother-in-law, the ex-wife was talking shit about her own daughter and she said it got back to the daughter.

1:02:04Claudia Oshry:So here's what I'll say. I agree with the husband a little bit that like, you know, you don't want to set her off any more than like she's crazy. However, if this is negative, if your relationship is negatively impacting your children, you have to choose your children. Oh, wow. You think she should break up with her fiance? I think she should threaten it because maybe then he'll do something. Maybe you need to move. Like it is that serious. Like I'm sorry, your children come first.

1:02:27Jackie Oshry:Yeah, by the way, it is that serious 100%. But his children also come first. So like he's putting his children before yours because he's choosing to keep the peace with the crazy ex-wife. They didn't show this in Blended. Yeah, no. This is like seriously, I do feel like I don't really know how to help you. But it sounds like you've never put up boundaries. So like why don't you just try?

1:02:47Claudia Oshry:With her? Yeah. I think you need to get serious with him about handling the situation. it's tough like I never thought about living in the same community sending your kids to the same school like yeah that's really like incestuous yeah what do you think I think he's probably gay

1:03:03Jackie Oshry:like this is what I say when I don't know what to say um by the way I would try like sometimes I know I know what why he says like if we get strict with her or whatever like yeah he could make it worse and then take the kids like you know more time away from him like I get it but like I feel like it's worth trying like putting up some serious boundaries yeah because like crazy people who get away with being crazy like it just makes them crazier you're just really enabling her yeah so i can't imagine that like putting up some serious boundaries like can make it worse than

1:03:31Claudia Oshry:continuing to enable her also like if he was once married to her like there's some love there no and it's like maybe she's not only crazy like maybe she's also like a person maybe she's hurt no and like maybe there's like some like maybe maybe we need to like handle the situation but like this situation needs to be handled because your kids can't be like suffering yeah and i guess

1:03:51Jackie Oshry:like a crazy drunk woman like storming into your house where your kids live like yeah at a certain environment it's at a certain point you actually you will have to do something so you should start now so before it gets worse yeah sorry jackie's right like i guess that's like that's no fun

1:04:06Claudia Oshry:i know it's no fun but and i think even just like saying that to him might force his hand to like

1:04:12Jackie Oshry:actually take it seriously yeah and i don't think you would be unreasonable in saying like this is not an environment I want to continue for my kids to live in. Like, I'll put up with it. I'm an adult, but, like, my kids don't deserve this. Yeah. So maybe if he sees it through that lens, throw the kids down. Throw the kids down to the bus. I love that. And thank you to everybody who wrote in to our weekly advice segment, deartwasters.gmail.com. If you wrote in and we read it on air and you want to provide us with an update, like, do that because it's rude not to. It's not good manners. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast.

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