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27:39What are you into? What shows are you watching? Who's like your fave, John? If you could go to any concert front row. Oh, any concert front row. Well, you brought me Odessa. What the hell is that? But you didn't even have fun, John. Because we were sober. You literally, like, John literally is like, when can we leave? We had to catch a flight at 6 a.m. It doesn't matter, though. We drove out two hours to Palm Springs, and then we had to drive back that day. What's Odessa? It's like, I don't even know. What genre? EDM, house music. But John doesn't really like that, though. What's your genre of choice?

28:13Because you're from the South, are you? I make that up. He's not a country boy, though. You know, I'm like a hybrid. No, he likes like angsty teen music. Oh, Vince Hoffer, yeah. Actually, we're planning on going to Boys Like Girls for Ben's birthday. You guys should come. Yes, we'll be there. No, see, like that's what John likes. Like he likes all that. Who was like, we have a story today about Spotify rapped. Who was your number one artist this year? Oh, who was mine? I think mine was Taylor Swift. I listened to like top 50. Spotify rapped. I don't know what that is. I have like Sabrina Carpenter.

28:41You listen to like, like in your car, just like the radio? I'll listen to anything. Sirius XM or just like FM? No, like Spotify, like, Billboard 100. Got it, got it. You're really not a particular guy. No, a concert's not a huge concert person. What are you passionate about, John? Sports? Oh, I like volleyball. I love that you're asking these questions because this is what I ask John every day. Always asking Ben like random things. And he hates his question. Volleyball. Game. Volleyball? A game a little bit. Yeah. You game. I volleyball on the South Shore. You play beach or? Yeah. I'm on the salt shack.

29:10I'm on the volleyball team. Bump sets, bike. Ooh. Love it. Those aren't the things. My kids in your year. Oh, really? My coach was such a bitch. Oh, and that impact. And I hope she hears this, honestly. She was like, seriously, one of the most evil cunts I've ever met in my life. That was me and my entire team senior year in our dance team in college. We quit because. Dance is so toxic. Oh, yeah. No, it is. How long did you go to? NC State. And you? Radford. It's near Virginia Tech. Very cool. And did you play a sport in college, John? No. Intramurals. Are you athletic? I mean, I think so. Average.

29:41That's a great answer. We always joke, though, that John has vanity strength because he can't hold Lucy for a long amount of time. It's hard. The mom strength is real. It's crazy. It is. I'm just kind of waiting for my arms to reflect the strength that I currently feel internally. And it's just like, it's not what I'm feeling inside. It's not matching me outside. It's kind of frustrating. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, we're also exhausted. We're doing our best. So how many times is she waking up in the night? So actually, she's getting better, which is why I'm like, it's hard to complain. she three months is also just like a transitional period yeah and i've got to give her time wait what's been ben's like job answer with like how we divide stuff up yeah well so we don't do night feedings anymore um and i was exclusively breastfeeding so like ben technically like could have slept through them and like bitch wake up like i was hungry a lot um that was like when we were starving two feedings and i ben would like i would start the feed and ben would make me a sandwich um and then ben also would rub my back because like it's back breaking work Ben?

30:38Yeah, he was very supportive. Take notes, John. But I also think like it's so, I don't like to make blanket statements. Like if a woman is the one doing the feedings and not working and then the man's waking up at 6 a.m. to work, okay, you know what? We're dividing things up differently. Everyone's family is different. While Ben and I both have flexible jobs, like bitch, we're both waking up. Yeah. Especially because I don't even think the worst part of like the night feeds is necessarily like the tiredness. It's like being alone and sad. Like, no thanks, I'm good. Yeah, well, and that's what we - Alice is the milk lady and I'm the poop guy.

31:05But that's what we said too. Oh, I didn't change a diaper four months yeah well that's what we said too because we both work from home we have flexible schedules like we are doing this together like i do not want to work the same day as you the next day and you have an extra three hours of sleep that's not equal yeah no so i agree while i can't make blanket statements for everyone i do think we have similar setups yeah ben did diapers i literally especially because i had a c-section i literally could not get out of bed um i didn't like see ruby's like tushy for like and then three months you have to have ben teach you how to do Because I was like, John, how do I change your time?

31:37Humiliating. Especially with the bris. We had to learn how to use, because it was like a bandage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I tell you, I have no idea. I did not do it once. What's a bris? A bris is a ritual circumcision for a Jewish child. Got it. You know. You knew that. No. Maybe you didn't know what it was called. North Carolina. Virginia. Virginia. Okay. Still not like big Jewville over there. No, but I mean, I have plenty of like Jewish. No, of course, of course. I wasn't accusing. Don't worry. Damn it. I didn't think so. I was just wondering, you know. We're on Long Island. We lived in L.A.

32:11Like the highest. Guys, I'm not worried about you. Don't worry. Half my employers were Jewish. You're good. You're good. So you are joining me for the Fast Five. Are you being 50? Yeah. Well, okay. We went to a T-Swift concert. Yeah, we did. But like my thing is, Ares tour when she was in L.A., whichever. We're at the stadium. So have I? Yes. Did you guys do like a brand or you went tickets yourself? Yes, no, and that's where I'm saying, like, I can call myself a Swifty to the point in that, like, I know her songs, I love her albums, but, like, I'm not going to spend$2 ,000 to go to a concert.

32:44You have to give her so much credit as an artist, so, like, her music's whatever to me, but watching her, well, I don't care about it. That's okay. But watching her perform, she didn't stop for three hours. I think I peed, like, 15 times within the three hours she was on. Totally. Right. Whether you like her music or not, I'm like, wow, as a performer, that is wild. And then she did a wardrobe change within like two minutes. I'm like, how the fuck did you do that? You have no choice but to respect it. Right. Yeah. And so, yes, I love her. I mean, I don't understand the Taylor Swift hate that's out there.

33:14Or like really the hate on like a lot of people. On anyone. There are a few people like I understand. Of course. And I think they deserve more. Exactly. People who pose their kids on the internet. Literally. Okay. So I have a question for you guys. Yeah. You guys go by Alex and John. Yes. John, does that ever bother you? Why not John and Alex? I never started this. I was just going to say, I started this. I don't always go back. Do you have a background in filmmaking or anything? So we were wedding filmmakers before. You're kidding. No, yes. Did you film your own wedding? Oh my God, I wish I could have, but no, we didn't.

33:45Oh my God, wait. I had no idea because your content is very elevated. Do you even film on an iPhone? We do. You do. People are shocked, but it's like the way. The editing is so supreme. Thank you. If I ever, I was actually thinking, and I'm going to run this by you. The next time, God willing, God willing, I get pregnant. Like I will be reaching out to you. I want you to direct a video for me. Your shit is so elevated. Thank you. So that's one of my proudest things is like our gender reveal video because like we did it on a Cine camera. Like and because we have that background, like it's very easy for us.

34:13But when we started getting more busy doing the podcast, I was like, I can't do this editing alone. But it was one of those things that I was like, no one can edit how I can edit. But I have to give a shout out to one of my besties, Sean. He edits for us. And so he we work together. He has a very similar style to me. So like he probably edits a decent percentage of our videos. Like I still. It's important to when you reach a certain level to not do everything yourself. Yeah. Then it starts to get worse because I'm refusing to delegate. Yeah. Like it's I just want you to know it's like it's coming through.

34:41Like it's really elevated. Thank you. I can't even think of who like makes who I would compare you guys to because it's really you're sort of in a league of your own. Thank you. Yeah. But I think it's because we came from a background of filmmaking. What's the background? Like the did you study of like formal? How does it work when you become a videographer? Well, so my entire life I've been making videos. I was one of those like forcing my friends to do music videos with me when I was 12. And I like asked for editing software when I was 13. So like always wanted to get into filmmaking. But then I was like, I don't know if I really can.

35:10So I did communication, media, environmental science in college. Didn't learn anything. Everything that you learn is going to be on your own in the field. A thousand percent. And so when I graduated, I worked for a film company doing pesticide documentaries. Such important work. Exactly. So I was in like all the farm states. And then after that, I started working for another wedding film company. And then I did some like nonprofit work with, you know, in Africa and filming. So like I did a lot of like behind the scenes, was never in front of the camera. Met John. He saw my work was like, you have to start your own business.

35:42Yeah. So I was like, well, I can't do it alone. Trained him how to use a camera, do a little bit of editing. And then once so we started a business in New York doing weddings, small business. What was it called? Madison Gray Media, which is still active today. Okay, slay. Yes, but we don't do weddings anymore. Of course, of course. Yeah, it's like an umbrella of all of our business. Of your whole business. Yeah. That is so cool. Yeah. I had a feeling you had some sort of formal background because it is so good. Thank you. And then we just started TikTok and then that snowballed and now we don't do weddings and we don't do anything.

36:12No, of course, of course, of course. Okay. That's it. Alex and John, or should I say John and Alex? Yeah. Here we go. Alex and John's fine. She deserves it. Thanks, John. Are you guys ready for the Fast Five stories? So ready. Okay, the stories are really good today. I did try to pick them a little tailored to your needs. We have some like mom stuff. Well, but we were sharing our Spotify app and so is Travis Kelsey and him and Jason are actually sharing where Taylor falls. It's kind of like awkward. Like, yeah, you know, now that I think about it, like Ben's number one, like wasn't my song and that's hurtful.

36:39His was like simple plan or whatever. And so they shared Jason did his Spotify wrapped on the podcast. His number two album was the life of a showgirl. His number one album was like some kids bop thing that his daughter's like, which I had never heard of it before. Yeah. Do you guys what like songs do you play on your Spotify? Like for Lucy? She hasn't liked any songs yet. I don't know if it's because it's three if she's three months. I've played that for her. She hasn't liked it. I played that monkey, Purple Monkey song. Oh, I saw you guys have the Purple Monkey, Matt. That thing's legit. That's the only thing that it is the only thing a new parent needs.

37:20I can't get anything done unless she's on that mat. 1 ,000%. And I want to let you know, so Jackie bought it for me like right when I got home from the hospital. And I'm like, oh, thanks. But like, I don't think use it. I feel like a mat is like maybe for like a one-year-old. I also like didn't know anything. Same. Oh my God. And you know what? That music's good. Like it actually, some of these songs like you want to kill yourself. This one I'm like bopping and it's been like months and it hasn't started to bother me. The Imaging Heap song, maybe three months is like a little early. Yeah. Stick with it.

37:49Okay. Because we have tried playing it in the car when she's screaming and it just makes things worse. Like so far. But like I don't mind that song. So I'm like I'll just keep playing it when you're fussy. And then it like puts me on an Imogen Heap like playlist. And that bitch like she knows how to write a song. My question is did she have a kid and she was like I have to create something that is going to help. I am so glad you asked. I went on like a chat GBT. Yeah. Research. Because I'm like she must make so much money from this song. Yes. Devastating. Ready. This song. She got paid by a brand.

38:19It was like a brand partnership. A brand wanted to create like the most like scientifically baby friendly song. So they paid her to make it. They own the song. It's like this UK baby brand I'd never even heard of. I don't even think she made money beyond her fee. No. I know. The song has like 100 billion streams. And that's why we're looking for a new lawyer. Okay. So you're Spotify wrapped. Like who are you into? Well, The Toast was number one podcast. But it was. Did you get the video? Yes, I did. Yeah. You guys are so cute. And I'm like, how? Whatever. I'm like, how did we get here one day?

38:50We're like, no, no one. Spotify is not asking us to make a video. You guys have been doing your podcast for how long? Well, the thing is, too long. But like, we take breaks because we're either moving, we're too busy. And like, we just, I think our issue is we don't outsource enough. So that's like where, again, we signed on with your media. Right. That's not my issue. What's your issue with the podcast is. What is your issue, John? To be honest, what we do as far as for social media, our videos, everything. I think that's our main bread and butter. Of course. Doing the podcast is kind of like it's hard because it takes like 90 percent of our time.

39:25Right. It's more. Yeah. It's very time consuming. So if it's not like your main revenue stream, I understand like you starting to hate it. Yeah. It takes 90 percent of our time, but it brings like five percent of our income. Yeah. Yeah. What is nice is like I don't go to therapy. So us hashing stuff out on the on the pod's nice. Like publicly. Yes. Well, that was my other question for you. I get this a lot. Either working with my sister, but also working with my husband. people it's like unfathomable to them um do you guys think that it has benefited your marriage do you fight more do you fight less because you work together i think it's benefited personally just because like we do our conflict resolution is so tight quick yes no time to fight but how what do we even compare it to because i mean we hit the ground running we were dating when we started the company right we're only dating for like nine months and like because we started working together prior to doing social media together as well like we already had the foundation of what it was like to work together, which I think was really helpful.

40:15How long did you guys date before you got married? Not long. Like, we got engaged after a year and a half. Yeah. And then because it was like... I was getting a little tired. How old are you guys? If you don't mind me asking. 33. Slay? 38. Okay, older man. And how did you propose, John? Oh, we went on a hike in Hawaii. You made your hike? John hates hikes. And so I go, this man is proposing. She loves hikes. He hates champagne. He hates hikes. We get to Hawaii. He goes, hey, tomorrow morning, first thing in the morning, I think we should go on a hike and we should bring this bottle of champagne.

40:47I'm like, you're proposing. But OK, let's do it. That is so cute. Were you nervous? Oh, yeah. Did you think she was going to say that? I was wondering if I was going to lose the ring. Yeah, of course. That's actually. I'm like, oh, my God. I could not wait to hand that thing off. Yeah. Have you ever lost your ring? Is that the same one you've had? No, I didn't lose it. But last year, after all of my traumas, I was like, I would like an upgrade. I think that's such a reasonable request.

41:11I'll take an upgrade. Of course. Do you have your original ring? I do. I'm still dealing with postpartum fingers. So I'm going. Yeah. And I did consider a few years ago changing it. I still like it. It was just like, I feel like I need a bigger one. Yeah, yeah. And then I decided ultimately not to. I don't know why. I just felt bad. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? If you do decide to upgrade it, what would you do with your original? Great question. because you could, you know, trade it in and have it go towards the price. Right. But I do think I would keep it. Yeah, I still have mine. And my plan is to do something with it and like add the birthstones of my children.

41:52So cute. Yeah. No decision is a bad one. No. In my opinion. Yeah. So, you know, and then I upgraded John's too. It wasn't as much. Let me see. Just a little. A little bling? Yeah, just no bling. He didn't want any diamonds. I was like, I could deck it out. He just wanted a little party girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Diamonds are for girls. I want to go back to tea for a second because I have I want to talk about Travis Kelsey. Tea. Okay. For a second. Please. So on Travis and Jason's podcast. I'm mixing them up. Travis said that he hasn't fought with Taylor in two years. Yeah. And then they had George Clooney saying he never fought with his wife in 10 years.

42:28I'm calling bullshit. Agreed. How long have you and Ben been together? 100 years. Yeah. Every day. Okay. And we've never been more in love. Just just to be clear. So that's like George Clooney's thing. He said a million years ago, and people still ask him, he said, I swear, me and Amal have never had a fight. I'm like, okay, well, you guys aren't really married. Like, everyone has fights. And so, of course, Travis brought that up. And George was like, well, you and your girl. And when you watch the clip, he obviously just says, like, no, we don't fight. Like, I don't think he was necessarily saying the truth.

42:58But George Clooney says to this day, him and his wife of 10 years have never had a fight. All right, let's talk about George Clooney then. Agreed. The liar. The liar. Did he almost get divorced at one point? No. I don't remember that. The first time he was ever married was he was like this bachelor who would date girls. Shout out to like, you know, Stacey Keebler. That girl kept it in check for many years, never got married. And then the one he decided to take it all the way with was a mom. I would, too. Yes, of course. That hair. I'm like, she's a queen. Did you experience any sort of like postpartum hair?

43:27After losing Leo, I did. Currently, not now. But I was also like in such a state of like sadness and grief that I was like, it could have been that. It also didn't happen until three months later. That is very common. Yeah. And so I'm currently still taking all the vitamins and everything, not just for breastfeeding, but I was like, I hope I don't lose my hair. But that is something I didn't even think about. Like all this sort of postpartum body things you have to go through. Yes. Still. Still. Even though you experienced a loss. Yeah. That's terrible. Yeah. It was horrible. And it wasn't like, you know, and I, I hate like, I don't want to compare losses, but like you can't help.

44:03But like when you lose. Girl, compare. Yeah. Like, so I was very grateful as the things I was trying to find and be grateful for after my loss that it wasn't a full term loss because I felt like I was still able to heal everywhere else relatively quickly. But like still dealing with, you know, milk coming in and like postpartum hair loss. But yeah, I can't imagine like having a full term loss. Like there's just so many horrible things that, you know, and us also knowing that we were high risk. It wasn't like the rug was completely pulled out. You were high risk in your first pregnancy? Yes. Do you mind if I ask why?

44:34Yeah, so we actually had an issue with the, like, blanking. Two-vessel cord. We had a two-vessel cord, a lamentous cord insertion, and so the placenta and the umbilical cord, which are the lifeline to the baby. The most important things. And, of course, like, when it's that early on, everyone's like, just wait, we're not sure, we're not sure. And then it just snowballed into more issues. Oh, my God. Yeah. But, yes, Amal and George claim they've never fight. What's your guys', like, fighting frequency, would you say? We banter probably. I'm like, it's a banter. Because what's a fight? A fight is like sleeping on the couch.

45:11I feel like it's very healthy to disagree, to even just like. Debate, argue. There's different categories. When we actually have a fight, it's when something new happens. And we're trying to figure that out. It's like when we first started the company, when first moving to LA, first having Lucy. Like navigating new waters, figuring out job role, like who's doing what. and but after that it's it's really nothing but i feel like we banter about something every day but like maybe someone would think it's a fight like people talk on our podcasts and they're like or comment or even like in our videos that are skits and they're like do you guys hate each other or like do you guys fight all the time why are you yelling at each other i'm like would you listen to the podcast if we weren't debating or are you like it'd be so we're just agreeing yeah totally i get that a lot um when ben and i podcast together it used to bother me a lot in the beginning people being like cluddy you're so mean i'm like bitch you try to be married like it's so annoying um and so i see how like but then also i do see sometimes people who like fight on their podcasts who literally should not be married yeah but you can like you can feel the energy of like people who actually hate each other and people who like love each other i don't know maybe it's just like a love language thing like a personality thing like sorry i'm gonna poke fun at people i love like sorry exactly fighting with a level of respect too like you're not like yeah low blowing each other okay there's yes yes that's true that's true um okay huge news jen chas has been released from prison she ended up serving 33 months um for her telemarketing fraud scheme where she um you know attacked vulnerable communities both the disabled and the elderly stole all of their life savings some of them went on to kill themselves and here she is just spending a cool 33 months in prison.

46:47It was very, it kept getting decreased. So she ended up spending two years, nine months and 23 days in prison. And I do believe her original sentencing was around like six to eight years. So she, you know, made off pretty well. Yeah. She, that was quick. How much money did she take? Well, I don't know what the total sum was, but she would like, you know how you get like those fraud telemarketing schemes? Like she was literally running a huge one. Okay. So speaking of, did you get due? John is the, perfect candidate. Oh, you're vulnerable. Oh, yes. A hundred percent. Like Jen would love him. Yeah.

47:23Jen and John. John and Jen. We get a discount on our internet if I pay with gift cards. And I go, hang up the phone. And he's like, Alex, not everything is a scam. And I go, you know what? We were trying to buy our house in New York and that scam hit my credit, fucked my credit up, and then I couldn't. So you went through with it? You did buy the gift cards? But I gave him all my information. Did they steal any money? They racked up a Verizon bill that I never knew. They bought like a couple of 10 cell phones. Oh, wow. You've really been the victim of a major scam. But he's always so close. I'm such a trustworthy person.

48:03So that happened. And then he's like, oh, my God, I need a scam protector account. Because his identity had gotten stolen. Not from the gift cards, but from something else. His identity had gotten stolen. And so he's like, I'm looking this up. He gets another call from this like other scam company. I called. Stop picking up the phone. I called. Every time I called. And I got scanned again trying to call like an anti-scamming, like something like a McAfee or something like that. Right, right, right, right. Like Norton, whatever. Yeah. So funny. I've never personally gotten scammed. Ben has fallen so close twice.

48:33One time when we were super young, he's like the IRS called me. They say like, oh, well, it's money. I'm like, okay, sweetie, the IRS doesn't call. They send mail. And then the second time was actually quite recently. And they're getting really smart, these scammers. Especially with AI. Why? So Ben for Spritz, they have like a lot of regional salespeople in all different states and they get gift cards every month to cover Spritz expenses like gas and whatever. And so one of them like texted like, hey, sorry, texting for my wife's phone. Like, can you send whatever? And Ben was I don't believe I don't remember if he actually sent it, but they literally knew that Ben.

49:05He was like, hey, is this Ben from Spritz? Like the scammers are like smart. It's really frightening. Yeah. So not what I haven't fallen. and pray and I'm like a very savvy person but I still get close sometimes so you can only imagine how Jen Shaw's victims were feeling like yeah old elderly veterans like seriously she's a disgrace well the fact that she is someone in the public eye who does not need why are you scamming people do you always do you feel like well that happens a lot on housewives where it's like they become famous and become even more criminal it's like girl more people are watching you now exactly it's sort of like this wild train wreck that just happened do you guys feel like as freelancer content creators it's so hard to pay your taxes my biggest fear is going to jail and i wrote the story in my book but like a few years into my career i had gotten a letter from the irs that like and the irs is like three or four years delayed so it was like three years ago you underreported your income and it was like a hundred thousand dollars and then ninety nine thousand dollars in penalties it was interest in penalties because it's three years it doubles it and so ever since then like i'm i overpay my taxes like i'm fucking yeah i'm terrified yeah the hardest thing well not that there's really anything hard about what we do right but is getting your affairs in order once you become like successful and you start paying your bills because it's really confusing well and especially owning your own company is so difficult yeah but we have an accountant and like we love him he's great but like we kind of had to like learn and grow together because he's like i'm so confused so you're working for a company that operates out of here but you guys are here and then you traveled here and so it was uh who knows i hope the irs still doesn't come for us like we're first content creator influencer to go to jail and if it's me just now I didn't do it on purpose.

50:39Yeah. It's so confusing. And I'm like, please just give me a second chance. Like, tell me what I owe and then I'll pay it. Like, I'm not doing it on purpose. I'll tell you years later and then you accrue so much penalty and interest fees. It's criminal. Oh my God. That happened to me. Alex, I don't even know why Alex is talking about it. She knows literally nothing about her taxes. no, but I know that we, I overhear and I'm like, John, these are the questions that you need to ask. Okay. If you want to know, yeah, we're paying like outrageous amount of taxes. Yeah, of course. We'll never go to jail.

51:04No, that's the thing. It's like, well, I'm sad about the loss of money. I feel comforted knowing that I, for this, I won't be going to jail. It's worth it. Going to jail is my big, what's your biggest fear? Because that's mine. Oh, sharks is for yours. Okay. That's very Bethany Hamilton coded. Probably now something happening to. Of course. I mean, my daughter. But you're like outside of the normal. Right. Years of life. Like heights.

51:30Oh, like eating something. that's going to make me shit my pants. Oh, that's true. Have you guys ever had notovirus? No. Yeah. I always shit my pants. That's true. John is just IBS, but he thinks it's normal. Did you see that about that poor girl on the plane who got so sick on the plane and they had to like... Was it you? No, it was a woman. She had locked herself in the bathroom. Oh, it was a viral video that this girl was talking about her experience, how she like got notovirus and they had to like cancel the flight after because she blew up the toilet. She came in with like a biohazard team.

52:02But she was like, the way that she told the story was hilarious. It went viral a few months ago, I think. Did you guys have high screen time? I had higher screen time before having Lucy. But like when I'm breastfeeding too, I like try to like connect with her. But I'm like, if she's asleep, just like drinking out of my boob, like I'm going to scrawl. Do you watch Kardashians? No, not really. You know, Courtney is like this very, like sort of extreme attachment parenting style mom. She breastfeeds her kid is like three. They still co-sleep. Like she's really extreme. and she brought on this like, I think she's like this controversial, I've seen her videos online about like co-sleeping.

52:35She's this very controversial attachment parenting advocate. And while I don't attachment parent, I do breastfeed, which is considered attachment parenting. And she was talking about how it's like, like you shouldn't be on your phone scrolling while you're breastfeeding. I'm like, wait, what? I know, I saw that. And I was like, the first three months of Lucy's life, like I've ruined her. And Courtney was like, even when they're like sleeping, she's like, you really should like be present. How am I supposed to stay awake? Excuse me, that's so boring. I'm more concerned about, I saw something. And that's like when I get things done.

53:02Of course. Sorry, continue to go. The MRI when they have like baby's skulls or whatever, because they're so thin and like your phone. Okay, we'll find, I'm scrolling out of here. Lauren Bostick is always talking about like how her phone's in the other room, like no phones around the babies, Bluetooth headphones, like all that. I feel like if I get started on that stuff, like I'll never stop. Yeah. I just, that's what I'm saying. Like I'm not extreme on a lot of things. I'm very middle of the road. Yeah. So it's like, well, no, I'm not putting the phone up to his ear. I am going to scroll TikTok.

53:29Yeah. What are your nursery? If you want to talk about that, it's like your nursery is basically a fucking MRI machine. You have your cameras. Right, right. You can't be concerned about everything. And you're right. Like, otherwise, like, you'll just go crazy. And some things I'm not willing to give up, like the nanit. Like, and no one's going to convince me that the nanit is anything but incredible. Oh, my gosh. See, and that's like where I'm like, okay, maybe we do need to move her to her crib eventually because, like, she's currently in the bassinet. How old is she again? She's three months.

53:54She literally just turned three months. So I think I moved Ruby at like four. Okay. So and I just told the story on Friday. So when we had went to the doctor, I think at the four month checkup and she was asking about sleep. She was like, you know, at this age, they become a little bit more alert. They start seeing a little bit. And while the bassinet is lovely, you might actually now be keeping her up. Right. Because human beings sleep quite loudly. You move around a lot. You snore. You fart. You get up to pee. And so that's me. John, literally this morning when she's still sleeping, John is slamming everything.

54:26I'm like, can you shut the fuck up? You snore so loud. Okay. Yeah, but that's Lucy's mama. And Lucy's actually comforted by the sound of her snoring. Thank you. I just feel like, you know. Thank you. Both of you. Do you guys know Alex Earl as fellow TikTokers? Of course. That's the only reason I watch Dancing with the Stars, her and the Mormon moms. So smart on their part. Totally. What do you make of her and Braxton's breakup? First of all, is it real? Well, Patriots is claiming not only is it real, Oh, but they have the reason. Here's what they say. That Alex wants to spend more time in L.A.

54:59while Braxton lives in Florida, but also plays for the Houston Texans. The pair realized they were going apart as a couple as they spent less and less time together. The source previously told Page Six that their breakup after two years was distance induced. I'm sure because I can't imagine being an NFL wife or girlfriend and like with that schedule. And I'm again, if long distance works for you, great. But I want to be with my partner. Have you guys ever done long distance? No, no. Oh, yeah. I had the New York quarterback already like went into her messages. So that was fake. She commented being like, this screenshot is fake.

55:32And I would also never post that on my close friend story. When I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I wish I was on Alex Earl's close friend story. Oh, how did we get there? I know. Well, she does follow me back. And I feel like sometimes when I meet people, then they add me to their close friends. Also, if I add them. That's true. You have to meet people first because I'm like, I don't want to be added or add people. I also don't have close friends at all because I'm like, what do I post on it? I know. And like I have close friends and like maybe like I literally only post about like wanting Ozempic because people are like, can you please stop talking about it?

55:59So my final post in my close friend story. OK, I have a question also. Would you post your son on close friends? No. Yeah. OK, because I have seen a couple of times where someone's close friend story has gotten leaked. And that's my biggest fear. Yeah. So I was so I we did a whole recap of the Brooks Nader show. Love thy Nader. And then she followed me back and animated her close friend story. And let me tell you, that's an amazing close friend story. like it's better than you guys would expect. And one thing about me, I'm not getting kicked off. I will never tell you guys what's on it. And then I actually got added the other day.

56:29And that's the thing, it's an honor too. It's like a secret club. Like you can't talk about a close friend story. I just got added to Dorothy Wangs. Let me tell you, like you think she's rich? Her fucking close friend story is insane. And then also what I do, because I'm a psycho. Yeah. I started to add like very famous people to my close friend story. Yeah, Hayley Bieber watches my close friend story. Because I feel like when you're, when the green circle comes up, you go to the person's like front of their. Yes. and then I also added Gwyneth she watched it once but after that this is actually so smart now I need to start you need to add people like mutuals that you have who's the most famous person who follows you guys or has like interacted with your videos so the amount of name dropping you just did I'm like I think I know one fucking person that you said that was so crazy I was like that was so quick too you just ripped off like 10 names in 30 seconds so you're close with Joey we love him yes we were on Snooki and Joey's podcast last year and Snooki asked the same question and I was yeah you were in Joey's bed that was like the best day of his life.

57:19I love Joey. But she was like, who's the most famous person? I was like, you. Like, you are the most iconic. First of all, that is the nicest thing you call me famous. Like, that means the world to me. And second of all, I just feel like that's not true. How many followers do you guys have? Three something. But I also... Which is your biggest platform? You want like total or... Oh, not TikTok? No, it was. But TikTok is kind of like... It was. I don't want to say that. I love TikTok, but it's just like it doesn't grow how it used to. I also think for the type of content that you guys make, Like those people are real people.

57:48Yes, they are. And on Facebook. Real people are real people. So yeah, like we, I know. It's crazy. Do you guys crush on Facebook? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. I believe it. Yeah, we do. Yeah. So how many followers do you have on TikTok? Almost three, two, eight. Yeah. Pargy. And then Instagram, three. Three. And then Facebook, like the Facebook reels go by. Yeah, it's like a million there. Oh, that's sick. Do you make money off of Facebook? A lot. You're kidding. The most. You need to be posting on Facebook. Wait. I know. What? Yeah. Is there ad sense like the. Is higher. Like reels, pennies. Right.

58:17Are you on the creator program? Yeah, but none of our videos are over a minute. Right. And so we don't make our money from views. Right. We really don't. And same thing like on YouTube. We don't make our money from views. Yeah. It's like brand deals, partnerships. And so you post all of your content to Facebook. Yeah. And then you get paid out by Facebook. Yeah. And they have like the best rate. Uh-huh. That is so interesting. You got to do it. Do you not have the toast there? No. Do it. Write it down. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Are you a big Snapchat person? Okay, so I know. I heard Snapchat too. I heard Snapchat is just like literally paying creators out the ass to make content.

58:51And while I'm extremely financially motivated, you know, I can famously be bought. I just feel like I'm like, I draw the line. You can't do everything. You can't do everything. Yeah. And that was it too. Like when we got into this, it was like, do we want to become vloggers also? And I was like, I'm so tired. No. I actually think that's such an under like done thing. I think when people create a following somewhere, they're like, OK, well, I'm going to be a podcaster. I'm going to be a YouTuber. I'm going to do a vlogger. And so they do a lot of things in a mediocre way as opposed to like two things really well.

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1:03:58So Alex and Braxton broken up. Who do you think she's going to date next? Do you have any single friends? Do I have any single friends? Yeah, I mean. But the thing is, I feel like athlete wise, I feel like that would be good if maybe a retired athlete. I know because she's so famous. I know. And she's beautiful and talented and gorgeous. I'm actually afraid she could date whoever she wants. Are you against her dating someone in the space? I am. I am. It's just not the vibe. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think it needs to be a list. Yeah. So not saying that like people in the content creators. Yeah.

1:04:30I agree. Like she is, I feel like a list. I also like, I love Robert. I really wanted Alex to win, but like, I get it. He has like the, he stole the hearts of that. Like, yeah, of course he's going to win. Well, we had Prince William. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you guys a question. My favorite question to ask you at the toast. Who's your celebrity crush? Oh, John, is yours changed? Yeah. It's changed. It used to be who? Kate Beckinsale. and then I just saw a video of her. I don't know. How do I answer that? No, she's like a little kooky. Yeah, she's like a little diff. She said something about her daughter's boyfriend or like something about eggs.

1:05:08Like he's at home putting seeds in her. Something weird. She said something weird on like a talk show. Yeah. So do you have a replacement or you're still thinking? I'm still thinking. Oh, Kabeel? I think we've mentioned her a lot. That's a good one. What's that show? I'm giving him his. I'm like, remember? You love her. My sister's keeper or something. What's the show? Yeah, yeah. But no, my sister's keeper was Cameron Diaz. That was also a very sad movie. Her and her sister. Oh, Petter's sister. Oh, her sister, yeah. Mine is Jason Mamella. I love him. That's an amazing one. I love him. I love it.

1:05:37You watch Game of Thrones? Yes. I just, but like, and then he. Watch him in Chief of War. Oh my God, he's just. I would climb him like a tree. And who do you guys get told that you look like? Bob's Burgers. Who? Bob's Burgers. Oh, that's a great one. That, I either get Lauren Lapkus or. who's that Spencer she's the wrong missy do you get Troy and Balisario yes all the time so am I really literally I get it all the time see but I do think that we could be related you look like Troy and Balisario I don't see myself in Troy and I get Snooki a lot too I get it oh really yeah I see Troy and more what was the name of the first one Lauren Lapkus but I think because I also like have that wrong missy energy where I just like don't care about the faces that I make by the way Lauren Lapkus yeah yeah I'm seeing it yeah that's a good one okay fifth and final story is some mom drama.

1:06:25Wait, is that it? I feel like it was so quick. Oh no, you're right. I forgot a story. Oh, Howard Stern is hitting back at Kim Kardashian. So on the most recent episode of Kardashians, she went to trial in Paris for the robbery. And she was saying how one of the hardest parts at that time was like so many people did not believe her. And she literally called out Howard Stern being like, he would like joke on his radio show that I made it up or that it was like an insurance thing. And Howard Stern is not taking this criticism lying down. He's like, no, I didn't. And on his show, they played a clip from 2016 where he was like, you know, people are saying this is fake.

1:06:54I don't think it is. He literally said he doesn't think it is. Now, he did select one clip and he selected it. Like, he does a show every single day. Right. This was the biggest news story for a whole year. I don't feel like Kim would have come out swinging against Howard Stern unless he really did it. So I stand with Kim. Yeah, I agree. Also, like, how are you going to, even if she did make it up, like, why are we victim blaming here? I know. And the thing is, when a celebrity makes something up and, like, the journey to finding the truth, like, you have to be really sensitive. We always talk about how like the first person to doubt Jussie Smollett was probably getting so much hate.

1:07:29And it wasn't until like some real evidence came out that like they were vindicated. But it's kind of a crazy thing to say, especially if it's not true. And it is my firm belief that Kim like actually was held up at gunpoint. Jussie Smollett was not. So I'm kind of like off Howard Stern. He was my fave for a while. I loved his book. He's just like pissing me off recently. And I'm just not into it. I never really listened to him anyway. I think so. I remember him from Comedy Central when he was on there. He's like the biggest radio show in the world. Yeah. Like still. People love him. Like people die for him.

1:08:01And he's in so many homes. That's actually what his book was about. It was during the 2016 election. And he was like, he was dying to get Hillary on. Dying, dying, dying. And he said, I'm in the home of 60 million Americans. The fact that she didn't come on. Literally the whole thesis of his book was she lost because it was kind of a crazy thing to say. Wow. Yeah. And I do think it probably would have had an impact. But I think it was kind of like a little overestimation on his part. I guess like a lot of people are still commuting and like, yeah, no, it's true. And he really is the biggest thing there.

1:08:27And what they said, like when Howard Stern leaves Sirius XM, like Sirius XM might not survive. Like all the people who subscribe to Sirius XM are paying for Howard. Interesting. Yeah. What do you guys listen to besides the toast? Like podcasts, radio? Depending on who they have. I do like Smartless. And I know. Wow. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm sorry. But like you guys are number one. The thing is, Smartless like is good. I think the documentary they did was really fascinating. I agree. Especially because we're all in that space of pockets. Why black and white, though? I don't. Oh, yeah. That really pissed me off.

1:08:55Agreed. As filmmakers, do you have a thought? I did not like that. Jason Bateman's idea. He's like, let's make it artsy. We'll get into a film festival if we do black and white. Interesting how much they talk about food. I feel like that's such a girl thing. Like, to talk extensively about food. But they are in entertainment. I don't know that Jason is actually how the way he is. You think what? Like, how Bateman was acting. Yeah. He is his character. He's annoying. Like, I found him annoying. I listen for their guests. Yeah, right, right, right. So you don't tune in every... Love that. If I want to be a guest.

1:09:21A good time with... Amy Whaler. Yes. I love hers too. She also just gets the best. Yes. People who don't do podcasts. But I love her energy. Me too. I also think people really like her. That's the thing. I think it's always like random people, celebrities, not even the most famous celebrities who have like the biggest... Like Dak Shepard is not that famous. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think celebrities happen to really like him in a personal way. And I think it always really helps. Yeah. I like business ones and then also crime ones. But like... Business. okay business like what yeah well depending on again who it is or what the topic is mel robbins i just feel like sometimes she has great takes what were some other ones like do you believe in the let them theory i do but i feel like isn't that common sense i agree like of course yeah no it was packaged really well like her whole thing yeah the crux of it was like so you don't give a fuck okay cool yes same right like i don't i didn't need a whole like spiel agree or a movement on it Yeah, but like she's not wrong.

1:10:17And like, get it, girl. Exactly. Right. So like, I'm not going to hate on it. As a podcaster, do you like listening to other podcasts? I can say with confidence, I don't think I've ever listened to a podcast start to finish. I like video podcasts. Yeah. I can't do it. But no. It takes a lot of time. It's the same way like when I was doing stand-up, I really did not like to watch stand-up specials because I don't want it in my brain. And then like if I'm saying a joke, I might like repeat it. Do you know what I mean? Being influenced by someone else's podcast. I want to start copying other people subliminally.

1:10:46So I actually really do not listen to podcasts. Yeah, that's smart. Fifth and final story, I'm obsessed with this story. And it makes me want to ask you a question. Are you in any like mom Facebook groups? No, should I be? I'm not either. They're so toxic. And this thing is going viral from the Upper East Side Soccer Mom group. So this woman wrote a post and it went super viral. So she said, my son is joining a travel soccer team. He's never flown commercial and I haven't flown commercial in a while. Would it be wrong of me to fly my to fly private while my son flies with the team in coach? I know that parents often serve as chaperones, so I'm thinking of hiring his former nanny to serve as the chaperone.

1:11:24Am I a bad parent? I want to support him, but I want to be comfortable and not travel coach and stay at holiday inns. I feel like it's OK and actually better that he gets exposed to flying commercial. The comments were like, oh, I've dealt with this. Like, it was so crazy. Like some other woman was like, yeah, you know what? If you actually fly the coaches, you will get more playing time for your son. Like it's sort of and the screenshot. So out of touch. Right. These groups are also famously private. Like, you know, toxic Facebook. Yeah. We used to have like the craziest fucking Facebook group.

1:11:51If you screenshot something, they'll find out who it is. They'll kick you out. So a lot of things like this, like, don't get leaked. Right. But I guess this one was so absurd. And the comments were like not putting this woman in check. It was being like, yeah, we dealt with this. I was just going to say, if it's an Upper East Side group, like I'm surprised that the whole team isn't flying private. Not only that. I need to get in this group. That was my takeaway. I'm obsessed. When can I catch a flight? Yeah, because I kind of like, if I'm of that people, like I kind of understand the question here.

1:12:22What does this woman do? You know, like her son's on the team. Her son has to fly coach. The son needs a chaperone. It's not going to be her. So yeah, hire the former nanny. I think she's very sound of mind. Well, if you're going with the whole team, why do you need a chaperone if you're going with the whole team? That's a good point. I don't need to be there. Totally. And if this kid is like 12, you're good. You're good. Like three months, I'm coming. No, of course. Of course, diapers. Yeah, breastfeeding. Mama has to do it. Like he's not breastfeeding anymore. He's good. He's on a plane. We're about to.

1:12:51How long? Five hours. L.A.? Vegas. I don't know why I'm repeating it. We're doing it together. What are you going to Vegas for? Work trip. Okay. We're going to go. I'm like holding onto your leg as if I'm so nervous. Just to remind you that he's here. Yeah. Emotional support leg. Right. I also forgot he was here for a minute. If you guys want to breathe and turn my way, that's perfect, too. Right. What are we doing there, John? Work trip. Work trip. But we're kind of... I want to keep her home. I want to keep her home. No. Take her with you. Exactly. I can't leave her behind. We flew for the first time to L.A., which was middle of October.

1:13:29He was maybe five months. Okay. How did it go? The younger they are, it's so easy. she will eat and sleep the whole time. Like, I hope so. It's literally like, it's not hard. Yeah. I've done a couple of flights since then, going back and forth to Florida to see Jackie. And each time we go, the older he is, it gets harder and harder. Okay. He's just more awake. I would think that going to Florida is easy. Like, it's, yeah. It depends on the time. Like, you're going to be completely fine. Feed her when you take off. Feed her when. On the way down. Feed her anytime she starts crying. Just feed, feed, feed.

1:13:59Sleep, sleep, sleep. Okay. Like, she's not on any sort of schedule yet, is she? No. You're fine. She'll sleep and eat the whole time. It's actually quite easy. Okay, good. I just, like, don't want her to get sick. I know she's going to get sick. That's why you know, like, the most amazing thing you could do for a baby. Hold on. No, feed her. Oh, feed her. Like, when you give her a kiss, you get, like, a bacteria. If there's, like, a germ on her face, you will kiss the germ. And by the time you feed her next, you will have created an antibody for that. Like, the best thing you could do is feed her.

1:14:24And John can't rub my back. Like, yeah. All I know is she gets sick. I'm blaming Alex. No, if anything, I'm blaming you. And I'm the one who's going to be healing her. Alex like can't get her sick. You can. Exactly. So you're the problem. Yeah. Alex literally can't get her sick. But anyway, so should we fly her private? No, we're not. We're flying commercial. But yeah, that's an option. Yeah. Right. But we will not. Maybe when she's 12, like we'll send her off with her soccer team. Yes, of course. Of course. Kids do need to rough it. I like that this mom is like, well, the kid can fly. She's right.

1:14:54The kid should be exposed. Yeah. But she's like, for me, like, I love that. I don't know. I don't really blame her. Are you like if you can work yourself to a place that like you don't have to fly? Why should you? I guess I could. People who are going to be like, this is going to hate us. I mean, well, we're not in that position. So I feel like, OK, talk about it. Because if I was, I wouldn't want to speak on it because I'd feel like tone deaf. Of course. If you have the means to do that and anyone who's shitting on these people, if they're in that position, they would do the same thing. Of course.

1:15:25You have an ungodly amount of money. Why am I going to torture myself? And the kid doesn't want you on the flight anyway. He wants you to hang with his friends. Yeah. I'm more annoyed that you have him in a travel sport. That's a whole nother thing. I have an issue with travel sports. I played travel sports when I was a kid. You did. Yeah. Because I'm an athlete. Of course. Athletic. So there's a whole thing on TikTok and Instagram now. Parents are talking about travel sports. Is it good for the kid or is it not? Because they don't have any downtime. They're not spending time with their family.

1:15:52I'm not going to put you in four fucking sports and year round we're in a different state. Everybody thinks their kid is going to go pro. What was your experience? That's another thing. Why do parents do that? Like, I'm going to live vicariously through my kid. My kid's the one that's going to make money. It's so coach-bulted. It's so stupid. Yeah. What are you guys' favorite movies? Oh, Great Crash. Saving Pride, Ryan. Never seen it. What? I know. I know. Really? Yeah. People are going to hate me for this, but I love it because of just the filmmaking and the storytelling and the comedy. But I love Wolf of Wall Street.

1:16:19I do love it. That's a great answer. Okay. Yeah. I thought you were going to say, like, The Revenant. Oh, no. No. Which I literally didn't understand. No, like artistic movies that like win Oscars, I hate. I didn't like it though. I'm like very much like Hollywood. They need to give a nod to Leo for an Oscar though. I mean, Inception, amazing movie. Shutter Island, amazing movie. Of all the movies he's been nominated for, probably the worst one is The Revenant. I literally left the theater. I was so confused. Yeah, no. It looked like he was getting like, there's the scene he's like attacked by a bear.

1:16:46I thought him and the bear were having sex and I was like, this is weird. I feel like they just were like, we need to give him something. Of course, because we messed up. but like Django like all the movies like that's the one even in World of War so many other yeah catch me if you can yeah yeah that's such a good movie so yeah I don't know I like very John says I like like the worst movies well I'm gonna gauge what's your answer to that okay so I have a few I don't feel like you could just say one but um here's my top five Mean Girls Love Clueless Legally Blonde Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion I don't think that's enough so good I haven't seen that in a minute so Romy and Michelle is probably my most quoted movie.

1:17:24We talked about it at late yesterday with Joey because he's like, I'm the Mary, you're the Rhoda. I'm like, are you quoting Michelle and Romy? Do you feel like you're more of a Romy or a Michelle? See, but I haven't watched it in one million years and that's why I need to do a refresh because I forgot about that. First of all, and I actually think you would like Romy and Michelle. I like Mean Girls. Mean Girls is the best, best movie. And I feel like, and like Step Brothers, I feel like those classic comedies, like I can never, like if I'm going to make a movie, I feel like I want it to have the impact that Mean Girls had.

1:17:51But like, does that exist anymore? No. Or bridesmaids? I know. Can that exist? The way, the cultural impact of Mean Girls, especially on girls our age, like the way my whole worldview is shaped by Mean Girls, I don't know what that says about our generation, but it is the truth. And you're right. I think like with movies and streamers, like nothing is impactful anymore. Like it's viral for a couple of minutes. Maybe Barbie. Yeah, but you know, I have a hot take on Barbie. Yes. Yeah. But okay, so we have Bridesmaids, Mean Girls. And then, oh, what I was going to say is that, what's her name? Oh my God, I can't even think of her name right now off the spot.

1:18:27Who? She was in Notebook the same year. Rachel McAdams. How she did both of those in the same year? That's range. I need her in more things. I know. She's a detective. Good show. She was also in Spotlight. Did you see Spotlight about the Catholic Church? No. So good. Stanley Chuchy was also in it. Did we? I feel like I watched a lot of Prada. That's probably my top five. Yeah, that's so good. Can't wait for that. That genre of like early 2000s. Not mean, but like - Movies that feel like a movie. Yeah. Movies that feel like - How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. Great movie. 10 Things I Hate About You.

1:19:02Great movie. There's also someone talking about Netflix lighting. Yes, totally. People talk about now like movies that have Netflix lighting where it's just like the quality is too good. It's too crispy. Like we need to scale back the quality of our cameras so that it feels nostalgic and like rainy in a way. That's funny. Yeah. What's it called? Netflix lighting? Yeah. Where it's just like movies that feel too real. It all just looks like a David Dobrik vlog. Yeah. It's so... Who are your favorite creators? Oh, yeah. Who do you follow? I actually saw David Dobrik once at Equinox in LA. And? Oh, yeah.

1:19:36I was a little annoyed. You were annoyed? Yeah, because there's one leg press machine and no shit on him, but he was sitting on his phone. He had one 45 play on each side. And I'm just waiting. And was he actually using the machine or just sitting there? No, he's fucking on his phone. He did a few leg pumps. No, that's annoying. Alex, you weren't even there. John, I literally, I was on the Stairmaster. And I was like, oh, that's annoying. Can I get on there? Yeah. Can I get on there for like 30 minutes? Not doing anything. I hate when you say I wasn't there. I was there. Alex likes to tell stories a lot of times when she's not there.

1:20:07She's like, just because I can tell a story better than you, which I know you can. You are a bad storyteller. I want to say I do identify here with Alex. thank you because even if i wasn't there i've heard the story enough times to tell it better and just sort of get to the point when it comes to ben's storytelling ability oh to sum up this podcast i know you guys are very compatible like there's i don't i think anyone in this room knows that you two are perfect i'm sorry that like we can hold capture a room with a story and then you just don't room suck all the air out of the room whatever john you're just honest i would love to know if you and Ben would get along.

1:20:41Oh, yeah. You did? We expert. That's the last time I talked to you guys. He was busy. He was like, you know, having to do his rounds. Yeah, exactly. Okay, well, we'll have to get together. We should really hold the boys together. Him and Josh Peck have a podcast. Yes, they host a weekly podcast. Josh a couple times, too. Oh. In LA. At events. Yeah. Josh is so nice. So nice. Were you also of, like, Ben? You're 38. So Ben's 33. and like for him growing up like his idol was Josh. Like he loved Drake and Josh. It really, I didn't even realize because Jackie's husband too. Like that was sort of how like Hannah Montana for me like raised me.

1:21:16Did you ever go to the Hannah Montana concerts? Of course I did. It was the first concert I went to, Best of Both Worlds. Yes, I went to Miley at the Nassau Coliseum. You met her? No. Oh wait, oh wait. I thought you just said you met her. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I should be the one at the Nassau Coliseum. Yeah, so did I. That was my first concert. Yeah. So good. So good. And that's what Drake and Josh was for boys. I didn't realize that because I didn't have any brothers growing up. Like, was that your experience too? Fuck no. No, I never watched it. You never watched it? No. You weren't like a Nickelodeon or a Disney?

1:21:41I never knew, for example, I never knew Josh was bigger when he was younger. Really? I never knew him was that. You know, Skinny Josh, by the way, he would love to hear you say that. Because people still remember him just always as fat. He lost like over 100 pounds like 20 years ago. Yeah. And people still, he said when he was last here, he told me like people come up to him on the street being like, oh my God, you look so good. You lost so much weight. That was 20 years ago. No way. he lost weight and he's almost 40. Putting this in perspective, TGIF, when that was on, was that Nickelodeon? What the hell is TGIF?

1:22:07I have no idea. Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Boy Meets World. Yeah, Boy Meets World, yeah. I read those. Okay. Yeah, I was definitely more like Raven, that's a Raven, and Wizards. Which is the way he plays a little bit Even Steven, the Even Steven movie, of course. Yeah. I loved a DCOM. Yeah. What's your name? What's your name? What does DCOM mean? Disney Channel original movie. I gotta think on that oh Smart House I loved you're so smart it's just like so cool I know you know I actually recently rewatched it let me tell you it does not withstand the time it's so stupid yeah I'm sure like the technology too was probably just like lame yeah it's like literally an iPhone I have to look through though it's like when some people are like again what's your favorite movie like what's your favorite song I'm like I need to see and be like oh that is these are big questions I can't think I'm like which one do I remember that's kind of hard hitting journalism you can come to expect here at the Toast So I'll just leave you guys with that You know my favorite part though about this podcast Is that you don't mind a good segue I would love to know your favorite part I feel like on our podcast when we talk It's just like we segue We try to not I think sometimes people get too lost in the sauce on a segue Like looking for the perfect Sometimes it's okay to just be like That's our show You know what I mean?

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