Jowsey in Wonderland: The Toast, Wednesday, May 7th, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy wednesday it is hump day and i don't really feel like humping anyone i love today because i'm just kind of being bogged down with all the hate i received yesterday the vitriol once again being thrown my way by the dtq i'm be i'm being canceled by my own community the dtq well that's why right now we're going into deer toasters we are doing deer toasters today we also have the valley recap my way up to deer toasters like i I can't just raw dog it. No, of course not. We are holding space for two things. We will be doing the Valley Recap and Deer Toasters today.

0:58It's not our fault. Honestly, it's Anna Wintour's fault. If you want to take your vitriol and your pitchforks, take it to her. Yeah. They're like, well, I would have rather had hour 20 of Deer Toasters than the Met Gala. That's just not how the show works. That's not what. So we should just cancel the toast and do a show called Deer Toasters. And every day it'll be Deer Toasters. Jackie, don't give them ideas. Yes. So we are not going to dilly-dally. We have lots to discuss today. Jax, brief check-in with you. How you doing? I'm doing good, I guess. I'm like nervous. I guess I won't talk about, not that I really did much yesterday worth mentioning, but now I feel pressure.

1:33I feel like this feels like how we used to be in the pink backdrop studio. When I watch back old episodes, not that I do that often, the pre-Fast 5 banter is two minutes. Well, because we were like fat and uninteresting. Like we weren't developed podcasters yet. I wasn't. I was so gorgeous and thin. You were gorgeous. Yeah. I was like a kala. I was an enfiance. I got married. I was working at the live method. Well, maybe I was just like always working out and like counting calories and I didn't have that much to share. But today, I think I'm going to make a soup. I've been feeling like soup. Doesn't that sound, well, you don't like soup, so don't answer that.

2:11And don't like, don't make it sound yucky. Okay. So I'll just, I won't speak. Great. That's what you wanted. Yeah. Oh, that's true. I did want to say one thing yesterday, like was one of the days where I got home from the toast and genuinely collapsed, like collapsed until five o 'clock. And then I woke up at five o 'clock, like panic sweeper mode. Like I need to have today have been like a productive day, you know, just definicious. So I actually started packing my hospital bag, which I think some people like pack like months in advance. But I feel like now is an appropriate time. I started off with like innocently, like with a duffel.

2:44No, it was actually Louis Vuitton. you know, but only because that's the only duffel I have, you know, but swipe your hospital bag. 1000%. But also I had to unpack it because nothing fit. So now everything's just sort of laid out on the couch and I'll find the proper vessel at some point, but I did a con and I also packed Romeo's things. Romeo's actually, it's kind of sad. Me and Romeo have been, we are a really good, you know, healing journey. I'm trying not to miss moments of his childhood, but he is going to be spending a significant amount of time out of the house. He's going to be at his grandparents, obviously.

3:16So I had to pack up his things, you know, You know, his treats, his wellness products from Wagwell. He's a brand ambassador. I had to also pack his tripod because he's obviously like a, he's an influencer too. So I had to pack a lot of his things, his treats from Wagwell, his paw protectors from Wagwell. He can't go through withdrawals. Withdrawals. So it was just kind of emotional packing day for me and Romeo. I understand. Are you worried about like Romeo acclimating? No, no, no. Romeo and the baby. I feel like when I was having a baby, so many people were like, what about Bruno? Bruno handles it like a champion as he does everything.

3:47I'm not worried maybe it's also because like I know in my heart like if anything were like to go wrong Ben's parents would rehome Romeo and that's how I felt about Bruno and you that's I'm not looking to rehome by the way it's just nice to know you have no no no no but it's nice to know you have like a really legit safe good looking to rehome Romeo I'm not I'm not but like if we needed more time they would take him for months like they would they love he stays there all the time he's so happy there you have to do the hospital blanket thing where you like give bowie's blanket to sniff to them to keep in his crate and let him get cozy but like bruno became a big brother at the same age that romeo is becoming a big brother yeah and he was fantastic i mean king charles cavaliers are the best breed of dogs for children it's just like 100 % um so i think it's gonna be wonderful yeah so i bowie so in addition to like slaying the mat gala recap yesterday.

4:42I also packed my hospital bag, which I feel like for a girl who's not much pregnant, like slay. I did. Like I'm just trying to get things done every day, you know, in every way. And and to slay while doing it. Slay all day. All day. Every day. I do slay. I like that little hint. I do slay. This does feel like dilly dallying. I'm just letting you know. It feels a lot like dilly dallying, but we had to do something. You can't just raw dog into the stories into the ads what you sign into the toast and you get hit with the ads you need a little I know you do need a little schmooze anything else you want to chit chat about no I'm scared of you yeah I'm scared of the DTQ just know like the fear you feel through osmosis guess what it's from the DTQ you need to be more scared of me than you are of them no Jackie you don't understand the vitriol that was in my dms like you'll never understand and like I like well I understand the DTQ because I am one of them they're starting to lose me they hate they're giving Jelena it's giving bots oh actually not to be like beating a dead horse I did see you know the Guardian wrote up an article about like this whole Justin Baldoni no I saw TikTok about it this whole Justin Baldoni whatever yada yada and it was like an article like any other but there was a really interesting statistic they had like an expert on there I'm analyzing all the content on social media, the different hashtags.

6:10And it was presumed by this expert that like over 80 percent of pro Baldoni content is inorganic. OK, cool. Which I thought was interesting. I would say any content that's like using hashtags is probably inorganic. But it was it wasn't an analysis just on hashtags. It was an analysis on like the entire saga on social media. Got it. I thought people would find that interesting. That's like a trend. yeah paying for i don't know who's paying for it but i just think maybe it's even like mark zuckerberg just like acting like his platforms are more bussing than they are you know like i don't even know where you think it's a vanity thing no i just it's coming from somewhere because this happened it happens with every conversation it's just like yeah the dregs like these aren't people and and to what end these aren't people but these are people and these are yeah i was just gonna say that these aren't spirit fingers these are spirit fingers and these are golden that was the perfect reference clip and i think the perfect way to segue i think you've been appropriately schmoozed and now we can dive into the fast five stories that you do need to know We can dip, dodge, dip, dive, and dodge into the Fast Five stories.

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11:52So that's Roback, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Our code is Toast, T-O-A-S-T. Thank you, T-U-R-T. What can I say? Our first story, Dochi is going viral and receiving backlash for videos that have emerged of her flipping out on her team as she attempted to hide her Met Gala look. look so we actually commended doji for not having seen her look before she arrived on the met gala red carpet and now we are seeing what went into concealing her look and it was a lot of expletives and yelling at the people on her team yeah so doji had a diva moment ahead of her met gala debut on monday snapping at her team when they failed to properly conceal her ensemble according to a video posted on tiktok there was like two videos at least right i saw more than i saw one long one It was just somebody following her out of the elevator and it gets worse and worse and worse.

12:46She curses at her team, say, I need more fucking umbrellas. Every other word is the F bomb. Give me another umbrella now. I need four fucking umbrellas. So she's in this like enclosure that doesn't have a, it's like a chuppah, but it doesn't have a roof. So she's asking for umbrellas. Right. No, suckas have a roof. she's asking for the umbrellas to be like inside the tent so that nobody can like stick their phone up and in like kind of like a bathroom stall that's what it looks like and so while i understand why she was asking for it and umbrellas for the rain oh yeah even though the car was covered no one was gonna stick their phone up and over like she has security oh i was thinking it was so that nobody saw her look it was both but also like the rain she doesn't want to get wet yeah yeah usually if you hold if you're not in an enclosure and the person holding your umbrella can see the areas that they're missing of you but they couldn't see her so she needed full coverage now the how the why the who what when where like is actually not important um i'm trying to find an angle where like i can defend doji because i really like doji and i loved her look and i understand not wanting anyone to see and like showing up at your best but i'm sorry there is no world no scenario there's no detailed context you could give me where it would be okay to speak to people like this like it is abhorrent yes I have a couple thoughts like one of all the people who could have just like run out to the van in their outfit it would have been so chill literally wearing shorts and sneakers like no one else could possibly walk like they're wearing these extravagant things like she could have like grabbed it she could have put a raincoat over herself like her outfit was just more movable than other people so like if anyone was just gonna tail it to the van could have been her that's a great point also conversation we had yesterday about the carlisle the mark i forget which hotel she was at but she was at one of the ones she was at one of the ones where paparazzi media and fans stand outside and if that is not something you wanted there are people who showed up i don't know where the hell they stayed maybe they have their own apartments but i didn't see pictures of them at the mark so like you're staying at the market the carlisle intentionally to get those photos it's a second media moments for some people that's what they want so to make this whole kofra diavra drama balagan um when like you knowingly are at the exact place where these things types that happen like you're in the wrong and then when you're talking to people like that like no yeah i also think it's extra bad because the way she's talking to people is so incongruous with the way like she is public facing like we watched her interview on the carpet and she was just like so sweet and so positive no no but like uh to another level and it's like well this is what you are like in private like it's just so off brand yeah if it were mariah carey doing this like it really wouldn't be that shocking and and that newsworthy just like mariah carey's a diva again but she owns it don't she i don't know if she's pretending to be like like because this is not just like i'm so normal everyone at the Met Gala was in a bad mood was frustrated like they've been the rain the traffic the waiting the waiting like it's like when someone steps on their dress like everybody is giving death glare Sabrina Kim like everybody's in a bad mood it seriously looked fucking miserable this is beyond that like agreed swearing like and this is beyond being like short or curt like I need umbrellas like the fuckings the the way that and those are people on her team it's not like and she knows there she knows that there's people around and this is still how she it's not even like this is how she talks in private like this is how she talks in the public adjacent i think maybe you expect this type of behavior from somebody who's like you know an og you know someone who's been doing this for a long time doji is is seriously like at this level of fame for three months and it's just it's a quick i mean it's just it's a quick transition i didn't expect it if you would have told me we would have gotten like a hot mic moment of somebody being an absolute bitch and a half to their entire staff i never would have guessed her she's too new she's so real and like raw and she's like I don't know when I saw her speech at the Grammys I was like oh cutesy exactly I never would have expected this and I'm sorry like they're like I was looking for one desperately searching but there's no excuse like there's no excuse and I just think like now I think rather than like be phony and like act like this didn't happen or trying to I think she should just like lean into this side of herself this diva era yeah because I think otherwise it'll continue to come up like and I think that's what people hate when they find out that someone in private Ellen JVN someone in private is like so nasty but their public persona is so cheery right like Naomi Campbell Mariah Carey like you expect this right it's it's Congress with their diva like public facing energy we were saying like Miranda Lambert when she was yelling at Yes.

17:37It's like, yeah, Miranda yells at people. That's so Miranda. Yeah. It hurts more when you're a fan of someone who's like, even though Doji's whole persona is not like kindness. JV and Ellen, like they were platforms built on kindness. Doji's just more real. And she's like really young and new. And she's like, she gives off this vibe that she's like so grateful for all the success that she's having. So it just, it was not what we were expecting. Yeah. No, it would be like if Sabrina. like I feel like Sabrina's been like at you know like at the top of her game for a couple more months but like her overall energy is like very positive and happy and cheery yes but Sabrina's like been in the industry in an official capacity not at the level she's at now for a while so maybe like in the beginning maybe it's like I don't know growing pains and it really wouldn't be the biggest deal who's like kind of similar is like Chapel thousand percent you know what I mean so that's why I could see Chapel talking to people like this like a thousand percent And like she set us up so that like we won't be shocked when we hear it.

18:36So this was shocking because Joji's like a cutie. Yeah. She seems like a nice girl. And not good. I think like I'm sure her fans are really upset about this. And it's just because it's really bad. It's like. No, you guys, the video never ends. The cursing never ends. I couldn't even make out everything she was saying. I kind of need it transcribed because the only like things I can make. I got the gist. I got the gist. It was like fucking umbrella. Fucking, fucking, fucking. Fucking, fucking, fucking. but there's like more stuff that she's saying but it's very loud so i couldn't hear everything i do think there are a couple of lessons from doji here one of them being if you do go to the mcgall again like stay at a random facility like don't go to one of those like three hotels that everybody stands outside of you know she could have put on a huge poncho and hightailed it to the car you know yeah of course she wanted a moment oh you think so well yeah because while the umbrellas were for the rain that entrapment the enclosure that she found herself in was so nobody got a picture of it like why are you at the mark moment on the carpet but like do you think she also wanted this moment of like doji's going stealth mo no no no this is not a good look for anyone well actually it was until we heard the audio yeah because yes we literally clipped yesterday like good for doji she made it out of the mark without anyone seeing her that age poorly big time gotta delete the clip like old milk literally

20:03delete so i think she'll be fine i think she's like talented enough to weather this storm is just like unfortunate for her and she also shouldn't speak to people like that that would also be a good lesson but i i feel like it's just how she speaks agreed

20:17choke um are you ready for our next sort it's actually something that i just saw that actually had me shocked. What? The Golden Globes is adding a best podcast category beginning in 2026. Okay, where do we sign up? So, organizers of the Golden Globes on Wednesday said that the ceremony will introduce a best podcast category beginning with the 83rd Globes in 2026, so not this year, so don't worry. Okay, okay. So we have a year to, like, become the best podcast. Listen, the recognition for the burgeoning medium will mark a first for major film and TV award shows to date. Podcasts have been recognized mostly in digital forward award shows like the Webby's, the Ambys, the iHeart Awards, the Shorties.

20:56Other awards that have podcast categories include the Peabody Awards, which we could win a Peabody. Where's our Peabody? The details are few about criteria for the new category. According to the Globes Today, the top 25 podcasts will qualify for consideration. So you've got to be top 25. According to what metric? I wonder which, like, charts they'll pull from. Like, I don't know, Chartable? Chartable I think is a like a An aggregate of all the platforms And like sometimes We are top 25 Sometimes But sometimes like if a lot of people are launching new shows You know we're not top 25 You need a chartable login Girl get out of here Sometimes we're like 18 overall Not that I check so frequently No I never ever check And I don't even care I just kind of remembered that from the last time I checked yesterday Wait, in 2024, Charitable is shutting down.

21:52Oh, that's why I couldn't get in. That's funny. So how will they measure? I don't know, but that's up to them. That's very interesting. I think the Golden Globes are kind of doing the most recently because they were pretty much taken off air. They were a flop of an award show. I think they lost all their funding. And there was this movement within Hollywood to get it back on TV. So people have been trying to make it a thing. And I do think that you have to lean in. and in terms of like media people are consuming, that's podcasts right now. So actually this is quite brilliant. It's obviously a huge step, small step for Golden Globes, huge step for Podcaster Kind.

22:27So the top 25 podcasts will qualify for consideration with a total of six final nominations for the category. Eligibility requirements for those rankings and other details will be announced in the coming weeks. So I wonder if they're going to focus more on like scripted podcasts, you know, like the ones that are like dramatized. Yeah, like I don't see Joe Rogan winning. even though the top 25 podcasts, I think maybe there's one scripted one in there. All the popular podcasts right now are interview formats. They're conversational. So if they're only going to be doing scripted ones, that's quite limiting in terms of like popular podcasts.

23:01Yeah. Of the top 25 right now, of which we are not in the top 25, we need to step our pussies up for 2026. Oh my God, I'm sick from this news. We're not. Oh, you know who would win? On Apple. You know who would win? Like Smartless. You know what? They deserve it. But it's not fair because they could win a Golden Globe for other stuff. Like, this is our shot at EGOT. It's so true. And I hope that the Grammys just, the Golden Globes, just keep that in consideration. Like, don't give it to people who could win the Golden Globe for acting. Right, like Jason Bateman probably has one. They all probably have one, you know?

23:34Yeah, yeah. Give it to. I love this. Bill Simmons. Sure. Give it to Bill. Give it to, like, a podcaster by trade. give it to crime junkie you know give it give ashley flowers her flowers like give it to one of the ogs doesn't even have to be us i literally in a million years never expected to be us please play this no no please play this when we win please i never will expect for it to be us like seriously but i do want it to be like a tried and true podcaster yeah i'm sorry like if it goes to conan i'm i'm not down like if you're a sag member i'm not agreed i agreed sag members need not apply that's my thoughts on this but i think this is really exciting for the industry i agree it's like another notch in our belt you know of legitimacy a oh a oh uh yeah so we'll see you in 2026 perhaps oh oh you'll be seeing us okay are you ready start like you're really gearing up doing lots of marketing billboards don't ask questions we're vying for a golden globe yeah For your consideration.

24:44Yeah. Oh, let's do it. Well, we have over a year. Yeah, to lose weight for the photo shoot. Yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yes, we're making great time. I'm monitoring the clock. We're going to get to Dear Toasters. Like, I just know it. Two of my faves. Kristen Cavallari reveals Harry Jousey sent her an explicit photo of his wiener. I saw the trailer for her new reality show. I believe that's where this rumor comes from. Yes, the trailer for her new e-docu-series, Honestly, sick for them, sick for page six, Honestly Cavallari, the headline tour, came out on Monday, and it's a preview for her new show, which is a docu-series chronicling her podcast tour.

25:25She has a bunch of guests, and Harry Jowsey is one of them, and she said that Harry Jowsey sent her a dick pic, and that it's gigantic. I believe it. Yeah. I ship. How about that? The way Harry Jowsey had Francesca Farrago throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars out the window on that season of Too Hot to Handle, you know he had to have the biggest schlong on the planet. Yeah. And I feel like he's somebody who has big dick energy and a big dick. He's got the dick to back it up. The equipment. Sometimes people are like, BDE and they have a micropenis. I could see Harry Jowsey holding space for both things.

25:59BDE and BD. Yeah. BDI. It was very tall. Big dick itself. bdir big dick in reality yeah well christen i wonder if they've ever hooked up i feel like harry jowsey has hooked up with everyone like seriously yeah he is kind of like the like the lower celebrity tier version of pete davidson it's true we need harry jowsey's memoirs memoirs of a jowsey memoirs of a jowsey and he needs to write them now before he forgets everything he's experienced in the last five years but I actually think he hooks up with a lot of celebrities and like can't really talk about it because no one would want to continue hooking up with him like I do think he hooked up with Khloe Kardashian I do you do I do like why wouldn't she just like for fun well I think that she should I don't think that they did but I think maybe like the podcasting orbit might bring them together oh Jowsy in Wonderland Jowsy in Wonderland I love that yeah like they'll that's how they'll get together yeah you know she'll do enough shows that she's like okay who else is doing shows and right they're both on the same timeline yeah so let's just manifest that and i'm just pitching the idea jowzy in wonderland is today's podcast title i'm just pitching it i love it we'll see if anything better comes along but that's something i could see people seeing and being like i gotta listen how did they get here and how do they get out to be determined we're about to find out well I'm excited for Kristen's new show if Kristen me too actually no fans I'm dead same for Harry Jowsey that's why I'm glad that these two came together it felt like a story for me but weirdly every Kristen story feels like a story for me this is a good concept for a show and I'm happy for E because they're just like a network that literally cannot get arrested when it comes to like making decent content and having shows that are remotely successful um and they like they decided to invest in Kristen Cavallari a couple of years ago and I think it's an investment that's paid off tremendously and I think that this is a great concept yes and it's the smart list concept so let's give them their flowers yeah I guess it is a smart list concept sure and bring back Shannon bring back Shannon get Shannon on honestly Cavallari whatever the show let's be honest yeah I think it's time but it's also so funny how like they're so intertwined Kristen and Shannon because that like Shannon was on very Cavallari if you didn't know that which i feel like a lot of people don't they just know her as an influencer and podcaster right but she got her start as like the big bad villain on very cavalier that's where i met shannon because you know i watched every episode of very cavalier and shannon i believe has done a couple of podcast episodes like breaking down her time on the show watch yeah um but we need we need kristin like the way that like lauren conrad when i'm back to the beach with her and steven we need shannon to go on or you know they both live in nashville too it's so easy manifest putting it out there um are you ready for our next story four four yeah tom brady went on logan paul's podcast tom brady oh my god they said tom okay sorry do you know who tom brady is i do but i heard something entirely different what'd you hear you know we know someone named tom graney okay he helped us build our studio and i'm like tom graney went on a podcast that's amazing he's doing big things yeah tom brady went on logan paul's podcast and expresses more regret over the roast of tom brady he said it was hard on his oh my god like this was one of the worst decisions he ever made i never really realized well i didn't watch the roast and i don't like keep up with tom brady in the news but then i saw this again and he was talking to Logan Paul so I clicked and you know Giselle like fucking hated it yeah what tomorrow new episode of Paul American drops oh second to last cherish it oh no maybe I'll save them maybe we can watch it together and have a watch party oh yeah you'll come over okay that's fun it's been 12 months since Tom Brady let his friends roast him for a Netflix special but he's still beating himself up over it admitting it was a it was fucked up to sign up for the event he of course let his pals throw barbs his way for nearly three hours in May 2024 but he admitted once more this week the jokes over his divorce with Giselle really hurt his family.

30:16He told Logan Paul on the latest episode of Impulsive, his kids were super upset over some of the jabs and it frankly ruined his whole roast experience. He said, quote, we got done. We were, everybody goes on cloud nine. And I think that moment, I'll never forget, you know? And I'll never forget when I talked to my kids the next day and I was like, I felt like, you know, a stake through the heart. He said his kids questioned why he'd get on stage and let people make those remarks. They straight up asked him, what was the point of that? A thousand percent. He said there's some things as a parent you fuck up and you don't realize until after.

30:47Like, oh, I seriously have such a pit for him. Like, I know that you fucked up. And I do seriously wonder what was the point of that? You have more money and more fame than anyone. It's not like you needed the rehabilitation. People use the roast as like a PR thing. It was really good for Justin Bieber. I think it was very good for Alec Baldwin. He doesn't need the money. Joan Rivers said she did it exclusively for the money. It pays extremely well. She hated it. She didn't want to do it. She knows it was horrible. They were going to make fun of her face. but you do it for a reason whether it's money or justin bieber it was very strategic there's literally not one fucking good reason why tom brady needed to do it it's really true and it's just thirsty it's honestly thirsty i wonder like what his reason was at the time i would love to know and of course he regrets it wishes he never did it and i have such a pit for him because that's like a big thing to regret like on a thousand percent like a small mistake you made in your private life.

31:38And like some people have like scandals or whatever that you know they're going to talk about at the roast. And so much of Tom Brady's like, the things he knew people are around his family, his divorce. Like it was so not the right time. I also think if you have young kids, like you really shouldn't be doing roasts. Like when your kids are old enough to get it or even participate Ireland Baldwin, like that's a good way to do it. But when you have young kids and so much of like your public scrutiny is about your personal life and your family, I'm like not to beat a dead horse and I know he feels bad about it but like bad call like seriously hindsight's 2020 but like I could have told you this yeah agreed um interesting podcast to discuss it on the impulsive show well then at the end of this article it also says he's gone around town telling everyone how much he regrets it he also went on the pivot told Fred Taylor Ryan Clark and Channing Crowder in the days after the event that he was bothered so um I think he's like talking to anyone who will listen but i actually thought it was cool that he that logan got tom brady the interview yeah and isn't you remember that video american yeah i mean it's a sea of taste well we'll see the video of giselle getting pulled over and like having a breakdown that was like right after the roast too right like it really it was bad yeah right am i remembering the timeline i feel like everyone had a bad time like kim the only person who had a good outcome was Nikki Glaser.

32:59It's so true. Oh my God. No other. So many people had like a terrible night. Yeah. It was like scarring for them. Worst mistake of their life. And now like with all these reality shows and podcasts we're like hearing even more because we just heard about Kim's terrible experience. Now we're hearing about Tom's. I wonder who's next. Yeah. I feel like Jeff Ross had fun. Oh he always has. He's the roast master. Right. Before we continue into the fifth and final story which I know is the Valley recap and then Dear Toaster is because the DTQ means the world to us. Let me let you know that the remainder of today's show is brought to you by Built Rewards.

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