Joy, Light & Positivity: Thursday, September 25th, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast hope everybody had a delicious and sweet new year the toast is back and sweeter than ever sweeter than ever you guys these are the 10 days in between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur where we are judged for the rest of the year so like if Claudia and I seem extra sweet less shit talky we're on our best behavior so it never really works it never works we do this every year because of course like these are the 10 days where like you want to be on your best behavior. These are like two marquee holidays in the Jewish calendar. Like the first is Rosh Hashanah, which is our happy new year.

1:03And then 10 days later is like, it's called the day of atonement. You're fast and you just like apologize for all your sins. And so in the 10 days between them, like you got to be on your best behavior. It's like, it's when like you're ran into the book of life. Or not. Right. Or other. So like we have to be nice. Like our lives depend on it. And the thing is I can't because let me tell you something. Everyone's a dumb bitch. obviously it's hard everyone's ugly and stupid but over the holiday i went to synagogue and like you know you're aware of your own self in synagogue but there's really not much to do in synagogue besides like chat and i literally kept veering into lush and hurrah lush and hurrah is like gossip but like negative gossip um which is a huge sin and you're really not supposed to do it and i kept like leaning over and being like oh my god and i literally had to stop myself i couldn't even stop myself in synagogue like how are you gonna stop yourself when you're literally being paid to do it when it's your job correct and like thus brings out the annual conversation about how gossip is really not a bad thing it's how people stay informed it's just to buy ourselves it's an exchange of information everybody knows that but i am trying to be positive in these 10 days think positive thoughts we went to synagogue this weekend too and going to shul with like toddlers is so different I literally didn't even sit in right the sanctuary we were like out in the playground the whole time they're having a ball and so cute yeah it's really cute and I was just like got to chill out well something crazy I didn't even tell you this happened at my shul somebody's water broke oh my god I can I can see it because when we did have to when we came in because all the kids came in for the shofar um we all stood and heard the shofar because the Torah is out and it was a lot of standing for a pregnant lady.

2:48Oh my God. I was dying. And like my feet were killing me. It was so much standing. And actually the men and women are seated separately. So I wasn't with Ben. And then, you know, a lot of the action happens on the men's side. Like they take out the Torah, they like lead. Um, and so I look over at one point and what do I see? My husband holding the Torah. I was so proud. I'm like, yeah, get in there, Ben. Hold that Torah up. Oh my goodness. What an honor. A leader in his community, some would say. That's so beautiful. So it was also UN week, General Assembly. So if you live in Manhattan, you know, like for a week of the year, like all the UN delegates come to the UN, they stay in the city, they meet in the city, they cause so much traffic.

3:29So this poor girl whose water broke, she could not get an Uber to take her to the hospital that they called an ambulance, a hot sulla, and it was parked outside the shul. I'm pretty sure she gave birth in the ambulance oh my god that is a nightmare it was a nightmare that's a nightmare un week is just it's the reason why i moved when people ask like why did you leave new york it's un week i live 51 weeks for one for two yeah speaking of nightmare i'm actually actively living through a nightmare scenario okay i have to read you guys this email i got two days ago oh okay the nonchalant nature of this email.

4:09Hello. Hi. We are writing to let you know that the building's central air conditioning at blank, blank, blank, your office building will be out of service for the remainder of the year. We understand this is inconvenient. Sorry for the disruption. Wait. S-R-Y. Wait. To help in the interim, we can provide portable fans at no cost. Oh, that's so darling. Like, do you tell them you already have your own? If you'd like the fans delivered, please reply with the following information. Okay. What are you going to do? I mean, I can hear you've got fans going as much as you can, but, like, so sad. I know.

4:50I do have a fan on me right now. If you hear my little, like, remote clicking, it's just mind your business. Obviously, this won't stand. I am fighting with the company. Like, first of all, like, them just being like, oh, by the way, we're setting the building on fire. I hope this isn't inconvenient. Like, where's my discount, first of all, on my rent? Obviously, I can't be here. But, like, why can't you fix it till the end of the year? Like, what about next week? But what happens in 2026? What about next week or the week after? So I'm now starting to make plans. I will not stay here. Like, this is not.

5:23But I just built this whole studio. So here's what I'm thinking. I need to get to the end of the year. Okay. I'm going to be spending time with you, obviously. I'm going to have to go down to Florida. Love that for us. To support my sister. I love that. You're always welcome. And you're always welcome in my home if this was you, like, saying, you want to come live with me? No, no, no. I would love that. No, but I will be, like, spending time down in Florida. So I can use your studio. I can use a podcast studio down there. It is also your maternity leave, which we haven't really spoken about. But Jackie's taking time off from the show.

5:56But the show is not on hiatus again. We wouldn't do that to you twice in one year. So I will be, like, recording episodes with people. so I can do that at different studios in New York. Maybe I'll travel abroad, do it like an LA week. Maybe take a sabbatical. Turdy loves LA. And we love LA. Sabbatical means you're not working. Maybe take a semester abroad. Yeah, exactly. I cannot stay here. This simply won't do. Okay, Turdy's going abroad. Yeah, should we do? I actually had a dream I went to Florence. Firenze. What guess would you get? Uh, Ferez. And Chiara. Chiara. Team Chiara. Team Chiara. Um, well, that's a bummer.

6:41I'm sorry. No, no. And I just got this place, like, really, truly decked out, set up. I hung all my artwork. This is fucking crazy. Yeah. Wow. Didn't see that for Q4. No frames. Frameless. Well, I'll be here with my frames, so. Everyone's going to be devastated. No frames. We haven't talked about the frames in a while. They never stood a chance.

7:05Today's show is Pargelicious. Let me tell you why. We've got Dancing with the Stars recap. Yeah. And that's why it's Pargelicious. That's the only reason. I'm a woman possessed. I'm obsessed with Dancing with the Stars. No, but also it's a Thursday that feels like a Monday. And actually a lot of stuff happened in the few days that we're off. So like we have Pargy stories a lot to talk about. also we have a story that's kind of meta we do there's a story about us it kind of involves us yeah it does even if it didn't i would have chosen it because it's a story but like it just so i hope that you know you guys can appreciate our take even though we will have to of course not be biased because we are involved but i hope you guys could still enjoy it and we're also it's going to be a part delicious episode because we're trying to be really nice oh i forgot about that Okay, so we're trying to be really nice.

7:55I don't remember saying anything. We only diss the UN, and that's what God would want. Yeah, 1 ,000%. You look beautiful today in the spirit of being nice. You really do. I'm not just saying that because I want to get into heaven. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. You're looking like really like basketball, you know? Those women who look like they swallow the basketball, they don't even look pregnant from the back. Oh, wow. Thank you. No, this is like my new state of being. Like everywhere I sit, it looks like I'm on a peanut ball, like bouncing up and down. Legs spread. Yeah. Just doing what I have to do.

8:28Listen, you do you. And of course, it goes without saying, if you ever need like a day off, take it. I feel like I didn't like take any days off, like towards especially towards the end of my pregnancy. Like that was so I took one day off when I had a really bad headache. Like we're so crazy. We're such hard workers. We are so crazy and we are hard workers. And it's like I just appreciate the job so much. and it's like even if I'm not like feeling my absolute best it's like come on let's go you could do it 100 you can do it you've got this mama you've got this mama yes but I don't I feel I feel well today um we recorded a patreon yesterday so we actually haven't been like totally off you know we can never actually stop working we just we just can't turn off the hustle never sleeps we recorded a patreon yesterday wedding q a's part two and this one got like extra personal the first one was more about like weddings in general this was like about our weddings our engagements and we found of course it became tag toast at a glance we ended up doing quite possibly the scariest thing on the planet of course we were talking about weddings and we just ended up talking about our cancellation because all roads in life lead back to the time we truly got canceled in 2018 no the question it wasn't even us being us like the question it's true wanted to know the story of our engagements and i happened to be get engaged on the day that we got canceled so we were like in our camera rolls from that day so yeah we were like what if we i haven't done this ever like went back to the day we got canceled in our camera rolls and like saw what was happening oh it wasn't even then we ended up going like four or five days later and it actually gets worse as we go i had like email screenshotted that i was sharing with oh my god it was such a funny episode it was a great episode if you're like in your bridal era But it took a dark turn at the end.

10:10As most things do, honestly. Yeah, but I actually, we were talking about what our wedding songs were. That was one of the questions, like, what was your first dance song? And we were talking about yours, your wedding song, which is yours by Russell Dickerson. And I wanted to tell you, I had it in my head yesterday. And so I was like singing it at bedtime to like Charlie and stuff. And you should really sing it to Rue and really make it a part of your life. It's a beautiful song because it also applies to maybe. I came to life when I first kissed you. The best me has his arms around you. You make me better than I was before.

10:44I like that. Like it's partialish. Can I ask you a question? I hate to be like a toxic mama milestone. But like when did your baby start rolling over? Well, well, well, well. You're definitely like in the window of starting. I just remember for me with Harry, I wasn't like really expecting it. I remember I was like watching on the night. I'm like, hey, I think we got to roll. um but then with Charlie I really wanted him to roll because he really liked to sleep on his belly so I was like waiting for it and it took forever but like what month I remember we were in Dallas so it was March and he was born in August oh okay so I'm fine that's a long time no I was waiting a long time okay because at the doctor they were like is he showing signs I'm like signs I'm like I thought that was next year like he's so not showing signs no okay so he's on the Charlie um train king and that's like that's my breach king like he just chills he just chills he just hard yeah and you know what most of his chill like all of it like 99 of his chillness is like so amazing yeah i'm not complaining because he's not like getting after it on the rolling you have to take the you have to focus on the good us softers we're not the most athletic budge it's okay so he'll be a scholar why do you want him to roll like what's that gonna do for me it was like because then he could sleep on his belly and like he wasn't sleeping well but no nothing i just don't want him to be missing milestones like i'm just keeping up with what i'm supposed to be keeping up with listen rue's gonna run his own race so true like food will do it on his own time and i just know him he's kind of like his mother if you push him and you tell him what to do he's gonna take longer pretend like you don't care you have to that's like how i have to deal with you if i want you to do something i have to pretend like i don't oh my god okay i didn't know you were handling me like such a mental patient don't watch downtown abby don't read okay i won't like you won't like it um i also forgot to tell you and then we could dive in because like i know we have a busy day but like i just want to tell you and i'm gonna be annoying in secret project everyone i'll tell you guys tomorrow but i'm actually doing something crazy tonight okay can now you have to text me okay so i'm meeting someone okay do have you told me anything about this i think i have but i can't remember she's meeting someone and i just want to say every time i go to text you i almost text jack like tongue like every single time ben's best friend the amount of information jack almost and i tell jackie like sensitive things like the amount of information he almost always gets he wouldn't even know what to do with it.

13:22I'm excited. Who are you? Okay, I texted it to you. Oh, cool. Yeah. Exciting. It is. I'll tell you guys about it tomorrow. Not what I thought. Like, I don't know what I thought, but cool. We can't wait to hear about it tomorrow. Tomorrow. That's always fun. Yeah, I like to sprinkle a little bit of, you know, sprinkle some seeds, create a little bit of a uh hype you know yeah there's major hype i'm kind of a hype beast we both are a hundred percent we're actually not and that's a fault of ours but we are and that's i will never be true successes it's true but we are who we are i'm like i'm i'm happy with who i am oh so am i i believe it was a great kesha who once said we are who we are yeah well let's get into the stories because as we mentioned we have a lot to discuss much mention it all also good for what'd you say mention it all so good without further ado dot do dot do here are the fast five stories that you dot do need to know and the fast five stories that you dot do need to know are brought to you by rakuten the most rewarding way to shop because you can stack cash back on top of sales and deals at your favorite stores it's super easy to use and you get your cash back sent to you through PayPal or through your check.

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20:53Jim, four days later, Jimmy, I forgot back on the air. His show came back. And I just want to say I never like dunk on everyone, but like I literally said this was going to happen. Well, yeah, I think like the reaction from people, whether you like thought whether people were excited that his show everyone's like he's canceled. Well, it did say temporary suspension. So and so people who were excited about that got ahead of themselves and people who were devastated about it got ahead of themselves, too, because they said we're just going to take time off to see, you know, the vibes. Some people did not put him back on.

21:24So his show was not back 100%. I believe it was back 80%. Those two syndicates, Next Stair and Sinclair, they're still not airing. Sinclair. Are you okay? Next Stair and Sinclair. They're not airing the show. They're still preempting it and running other programming. So he's not back 100 % of the country. But as far as like ABC and what they can control in terms of like Disney proper. Brought him back. Or not. They brought him back. His show is back. So it was a long and hard four days. but uh free speech wins i have a question did you see the footage um like paparazzi of him leaving his studio and then like packing things up they have to rebuild his whole set why were they taking it down like i said it was a suspension it wasn't a firing i don't know and i didn't i saw that like he was uh filmed like leaving somewhere but i didn't watch it so uh i don't know what did you watch his monologue i watched what he said when he came back and in this one like he was emotional saying that he never was i thought it was appropriate like i i think that like he had a lot to say you know he became the face of like this movement and i thought and i know he didn't want to apologize i think that's what the hollywood reporter had said um and that's also why it took four days because i think there was a lot of back and forth on what he was like agreeing to say but all in all i think like he got his point across which was like his message but also like he did say like no it's a terrible tragedy and you know when thinking about jimmy kimmel man loves to cry he's gonna cry when in doubt give a tear but that was an appropriate time to cry and i believed it i thought it was good yeah i thought it was good too but also he didn't like out you know he wasn't like a groveling apology like i'm so sorry bad jimmy bad it was more of like a clarification and like just sort of um it wasn't a listen and learn do better moment no which which is interesting but yeah i agree like i think he struck the right tone while also like he's not going to say something that he doesn't feel which which you know what i do respect like people who just like say whatever to get their shows back or like to get back in the good graces like if you don't believe it don't say it yeah yeah um but this was it's been an interesting one and there's been a lot of like comparisons to the way that abc has handled other things like in the last few years like i'm sorry i can't help but think of chris harrison watching this being like oh my god i forgot about chris harrison four days it's been four years what i didn't know was that jimmy kimmel got his show because the time slot before it was jimmy kimmel was a bill maher late night show yeah and bill maher said something extremely unsavory about 9-11 yeah kind of praising i get i watched the clip i understood he was saying but like at the time i could see being like dude what he basically said that like you know americans are cowards in war zones and at least the people who did 9-11 were brave or something like really crazy and he was immediately taken off the air and that's how Jimmy Kimmel got his show so yes it was an interesting couple of days learning about the history of broadcast yeah yeah and he didn't get his show back and I guess that's how what do they like to say how you get them how you lose them but that's that's not what happened here I just I'm thinking of Chris Harrison I'm sorry that's an interesting comparison Chris Harrison yeah because he said something that was like that people were really offended by he felt what did he say again it was about Rachel Kirkconnell and it wasn't even on the show and he was talking to Rachel Lindsay about it right yeah in an interview off the show and he they were talking about the Rachel Entertainment Tonight photos um the antebellum party and he was making the argument that like uh oh by the way I'm not saying what this could be me it's a trap google it yeah yeah yeah he said something you know like uh about a cancellation of one of the contestants just sort of like playing devil's advocate in her favor everyone was coming down on her really hard advocating forgiving grace and just looking at it through you know the lens of a different time and um he got fired he got fired never to be seen again and his i don't know what he's doing it's not much like it was a destabilizing firing for him yeah jimmy kimmel's kind of in a pargy spot now though because I feel like we can have the conversation about like late night in general not as it pertains to politics but like it is this sort of old school format that isn't going to be around forever it is being replaced like Leonardo DiCaprio is doing press for his new movie and he's doing a podcast like it really is kind of phasing out and I feel like if his show does get canceled which I feel like everyone's at some point is going to get canceled Jimmy is really like a hero now you know yeah yeah also I think like this he had better ratings uh on this episode than he did in the last 10 years.

26:03Like, because of course everyone wants to say - All press is good press. What he has to say. Just like, what a, it's such a blip on the radar, you know? Yeah, like from this week to last week, technically now like nothing's changed. No, he literally had like three days off of work. Honestly, he was celebrating with Shoshana. It was just in time for the holidays. For the holidays. So he's back and then, yeah, after like this whole saga, I'm just like back to being like, okay, well like your show's not funny and you're a loser. right right Jackie just like hey no I actually um I feel like you've always hated him more than I do I don't because I feel like you have to watch his stuff more than I do like I don't ever see his stuff so I only like outside of this I'm not like making a political statement outside of this saga I always compare him to Jimmy Fallon right the Jimmies and I think Jimmy Fallon is so funny and like such a good host of his show because he'll really do anything for views and that's like i think i imagine nbc really likes him um and i don't know jimmy kimmel's just always i never watch his show it's just like i'm such an nbc girl versus abc in that sense oh interesting even though everything else is coming up abc these days i know it's so true dancing with the stars the bachelorette so true abc's kind of having a moment they are and you know every network has their moment i feel like nbc has love island which is huge every network gets their their moment in the sun if you will yeah yeah so he's back i told you so i can say that with my whole chest yeah are you ready for our next story jenzy with a start no that's gonna be fifth and final into a little tv recap that way we don't have to like end it yeah yeah yeah yeah um no this is such great news rihanna has given birth welcoming baby number three a baby girl with asap rocky so Rihanna posted a picture of her and her new daughter Rocky Irish Mayers born September 13th 2025 now they named the baby Rocky her husband's name is also Rocky and what is this giving what is it giving come on Travis and Courtney no naming your baby like the same as your husband when Theo came home and his original name was Mufi.

28:20Oh my God. It's giving Mufi. If you're new here, when our previous dog Theo came home for the first time, his name was not Theo. It was actually Mufi. Because Ben and I, we used to, not so much anymore. Actually, Ben still calls me Big Muf. We used to call each other Muf, Mufon, Mufi. So we thought it was like a cute pet name for our first pet. It got so confusing. We had to change his name after the first week. Because I'd be like Muf. And Ben was like, are you talking to me? Are you talking to the dog? It was so crazy. So I imagine there might be some confusing time ahead for ASAP Rocky and Rihanna.

28:51But what's ASAP Rocky's birth name? Like, it's not ASAP. Right, what do you think she calls him, Daniel? ASAP Rocky. Yeah, it's Rakeem Athelstan Mayers. She definitely is not calling him ASAP around the house. Or she calls him ASAP, not Rocky. But Rakeem. She definitely calls him Rocky. She doesn't call him Rakeem. Well, I guess Rakeem is short for Rakeem. I guess it depends because there are some like annoying ass bitches who insist on calling their boyfriends and husbands like their full name. Like Zachary. Benjamin. You're literally calling out our sister Olivia. She's always Zachary. She does do that, but that's not the first person who came to mind.

29:26That would be like if I was like Benjamin Morgan. Like I hate when people do that. Like they insist on calling. Like everybody in the world calls him Ted, right? Right. Theodore. I hate people like that. Sorry, Olivia. That's true. Sorry. That's really funny. Who are you thinking of? I don't want to put her on blast. She's a private citizen. Text it to me. You guys don't know her. She's a private citizen. So like. They wouldn't be interesting to you. But then she would hear it and be like, oh, that's what you think of me. That's interesting. That's a really random example. Yeah, no, it's just like random.

30:05It is a thing people do. And I just find it so annoying. Yeah. So now if the person has let me ask you a question. If your boyfriend has a nickname, like Tank, I don't know why that just came to mind. Everybody calls him Tank, even his mother. Then you're allowed to call him his name. Daniel, whatever it is. But if everybody calls your man Ben and you insist on calling him Benjamin, I have never once in my life called Ben Benjamin. I have never called my husband Zachary. Now, I think with Olivia, I think she has him in her phone as Zachary. Like, I think it's like it's it's more real for her. Well, I just want to let her know.

30:49And I know she listens to the toast because she's a wonderful, supportive sister. Like when you say that, I hate it. Like, I love you and I hate it. Well, Mazel Tov to the Rocky family. Rocky, Rocky. What's her last name? I guess they're all going with ours. Yeah, because she has RZA and Riot. That's cute. And Rocky. Really cute. And Rocky's a cute girl's name. well so actually again not to make quite literally everything about myself when i think of like future children i do have one name that i really like that also starts with an r and i do wonder like is it confusing i feel like did you grow up in a house where like all of you guys had the same first letter of your first name and if so did it cause any confusion sound off in the comments well i also feel like rihanna and rocky are both ours so when you have that you do it you go all the way but like none of us have the same first letter and you and ben are being no i mean growing up all the time when somebody would like shout across the house olivia claudia i never knew if they were talking to me or olivia because the ea at the end you only hear like the tail end of someone being like olivia and i was like are you saying claudia or olivia and you know you you really can't anticipate confusion like that i'm sorry you had to go through that I mean I also had to go through a summer birthday with Olivia and we felt extremely robbed you have a lot of things to say to Olivia today yeah maybe because I was talking to her this morning but you didn't get these things off your chest no I understand maybe I'll give her a call maybe give her a call after this and tell her all the things that she does that I find annoying

32:30well anyways the news here is that they had a girl people didn't know what they were going to have and I was actually surprised by that you know I thought she might go three boy but this is not when did she do the Super Bowl this is not the baby that was no no that was riot the more I think about that the more she was so insane for that I know so crazy and the fact that quite literally anyone at the time like wanted to critique her performance whether it was like her dancing or her vocals like seriously drop dead yeah I remember when like she came out with her belly and like people were like is she pregnant i'm like you're disgusting like you're that how dare that was also a special time because like she was right like it was so confusing it was so good no but anyone who like would said that especially around me i'm like you guys are so rude she just had a baby like why are you looking at her belly like oh so you okay that's funny well it reminded me of when beyonce announced her first pregnancy at the vmas after singing love on top pargeliciously might i add she then opened her blazer and it's like well she didn't really look pregnant so she touched her belly and we were like oh when you touch the belly it's a confirmation yeah rihanna did not touch her so when people were like speculating is she pregnant i'm like the woman just gave a performance of a lifetime like of course she's not pregnant like how could you say that it would have been really helpful for us if she just touched the belly yeah no it was but then she confirmed it like after the performance but after she was like yeah obviously i'm pregnant we're like oh yeah okay i just felt really defensive of her of course Yeah.

34:02Are you ready for our next story? The one that we are involved in. Because Stassi Schroeder has officially turned on Meghan Markle. She said, this is the last straw. So I've been seeing this all over the internet. Stassi. Let me tell you my experience. And I want to say, we need to clear up. Because if I was reading these articles, I would assume that you and I have beef with Stassi. They're really making it so. They are including us in every article because she mentioned us. so and that was the reason why she's turned on megan markle is because of us so literally someone who works with us sent us this article and it was like at first from like this reality t.com like and i was like oh my god stassi's like kind of being nasty about us on the podcast i'm like wait but we're friends with stassi right that was so like sad so i'm like and it was co-hosted with taylor strecker and i'm like well taylor strecker wouldn't say anything weird about us yeah so i'm like you know what let me actually not read the clickbait and go listen to stassi's podcast episode to get the real story.

35:01Now, what's being said in the tabloids is a much dramatized version of what Stassi said. Now, to be clear, Stassi did not say anything mean about us. If anything, she's jealous of us. And more has, like, she has beef now with Meghan Markle and it literally has nothing to do with us. And also, it illustrates that she's a close listener of The Toast. Right, so it's like, she's like, I sat down to do my makeup and I listened to my favorite podcast, The Toast, and I heard something. Which is an amazing podcast hosted by amazing girls. Listen, it was so not even remotely. Let's get to the meat. So this is what she said.

35:33She said she's officially done with Meghan Markle. A little backstory. It's like Stassi has been Meghan Markle's number one fan. Like since Meghan joined the royal family, like she's left the royal family. She's been with her through the whole thing. She's been with her through the whole thing. Like always just saying glowing things about her. And so she went on tour and like the whole theme of her set was Meghan Markle. They had a big framed picture of her. Yeah, every time Meghan does something, we're like, what would Stassi have to say about this? and she's always like been so positive given so much grace and that's kind of like the leading public figure fan so Megan has done some PR gifts since she's launched her show she's launched her brand the first round really went to like close friends and like you know Montecito girls yeah but then the second round reached the lay people like us a bunch of influencers got PR um Claudia and I did which is shocking because we've not been like Stassi we have questioned her right we haven't been I don't I think we've actually been really fair yeah of Megan we're not neither one of us is huge fans or haters of her at all yeah we just like we don't just we just take the temperature of how we're feeling and we say how we feel it's not always like the nicest or whatever now to be clear I cannot say the same about her husband like I am an actual hater yeah it just depends on the era that we're talking about like as we're talking about this era like I have really nothing bad to say when i think of like when i zoom out and try and think of like history at a glance and like the british monarchy and like what queen elizabeth went through in her dying days like i'm mad um right and that's all come through on the show so what stassi said was she was like she didn't get pr from this season of as ever as ever with love megan and then she saw that claudia and i did and claudia and i as she said talk we've talked shit about megan and we haven't just been like diehard fans whereas stassi has been a diehard fan she said i literally have defended her when no one else did i filmed videos about it i've commented on all the things i literally had my fucking pr reach out and this she asked for pr she asked to be included on the next round and they said no so she's officially done she said she said megan cares like more about what her haters think of her than her fans if she's trying to like court people who like don't love her and she's not tending to those who do and you know what then it also reminded me of her sending that handwritten note to not skinny but not fat when not skinny was being like snarky it wasn't being like actually you know protective of megan and you know what's stassi's right like she does care a lot about like what critics say not just like i feel like everyone when they get famous cares about like proving their credits wrong and yada yada and then eventually like all you end up caring about as your fans and like you just want to feed your fans and nourish that relationship and Megan is still very much like in her proving everyone wrong era yeah and if I get I also think that Megan doesn't want to you know actually well we have been canceled so I feel like Megan maybe would have been like staying away from Stassi because like she was canceled but no we have who hasn't been literally if we're only like sending PR to people who haven't been canceled then you're sending it to people with three followers like for real yeah you show me a celebrity who hasn't had a cancellation and i'll show you something that's been buried okay stassi series that like megan is stuck in 2017 and just like associates stassi with like being a lowly reality star and that's not who she's sending her kids to i guess i don't know i genuinely don't know because when i hear something like this i'm like well maybe stassi's just not on her team's Raider but like how is that possible then you're not a bad team maybe um Megan like watched Vanderpump Rules at the time like maybe she was team Faith you know like maybe she was not a Stassi fan maybe she was a Sheena Shea team Sheena is what you're maybe she was a Sheena Sheenator Megan Megan with love Megan and can I tell you Ben ate the entire jar of the as ever apricot jam he said it was incredible not to rub it in stassi's face when he posted that so ben took a picture of this i put the as ever jam in my fridge as if it was just a jam from the store right and i wasn't planning on eating it because i don't like apricot no shade to megan i'm more of like a raspberry girl um but i figured like someone in my house would eat it lo and behold i see ben posting on instagram a picture of the jar being like i just found this in my fridge it's delicious i'm like you just found this in your fridge you know how lucky you are to be eating there are a million girls that would kill for that jar of jam a million girls would kill to be gifted that i said ben that's like a million dollar jar of jam he said it's incredible he ate the entire thing it's gone that's hysterical i haven't tried my jam yet but those shortbread cookies are looking me in the face every day i want to make them but it's just never the right time um so not to rub it into saucy but like the jam also was really good yeah um interesting interesting i i can't believe saucy's really moving on from her but i guess that's what you have to do after you like been snub so many times like i feel like you're kind of getting to that place with

40:38you know what's funny is i i that's my association too and i think of this story i think of someone who like i've lived but i'm not getting but the thing is i i just love her i i love everything she does it's not like i ever defend her when i think she doesn't deserve it and so like the thing is like she doesn't do anything wrong she doesn't need defending if i sever from her i'm only hurting myself it's true and the thing is i'll say who it is i'll say who it is to just get it kelly clarkson because she like does a lot of podcasts and she does a lot of press she's not a lot but she does press out and about a lot and she's like never come on the toast like never reached out never sent us anything if she was ever doing anything also we have formally pitched yeah we have like we have actually tried and we don't even do that a lot um but i'm just a fan of hers not anything reciprocal i don't need anything like from her on a personal level i just want to be what if I can stop listening to her music that only hurts me she doesn't give a fuck why should you suffer yeah Kelly we would love to have you oh yeah but obviously not now like we might have just ruined it especially because like even when we were saying only good things she didn't come on even though I still haven't said anything bad I love her no no no you didn't say anything bad you're saying like you want it yeah but but the fact that I don't get it like doesn't change how I feel about her as a fan of hers.

41:50So it's an even bigger endorsement, honestly. But like there's literally like she's the least problematic woman on earth. I know. So it's like, well, I defended Kelly Clarkson from one. And like it's not unpopular to defend her. But like if Stassi like always was defending. Actually, what did I just say? Ask me somebody who hasn't been canceled. And I'll show you someone with three followers. That's actually Kelly Clarkson is the exception to that rule. I can't think of one scandal she's ever had. She's not had scandals, but she's like been through a lot on the industry side. Ups and downs. Like, yes.

42:20Bad record labels in bad deals, putting out music that she didn't feel strongly about. Like, she's had different issues. Yes, but not like, yeah, public facing scandal. She didn't have old tweets. Right, right. But like Stassi defended Meghan when it was like unpopular too and like took a lot of hits for it. Like that it's so it's not the same. In the face of adversity, like Stassi was there. I defended Kelly Clarkson when no one else did. okay

42:51like defended her against what nothing but what i will see is i've always i was a fan of hers before everyone any of these bitches it's so true before kelly okey before kelly clarkson show like in the lulls like i feel like now i was there place in her career where she will not experience another lull ever again she's kind of reached a level of like icon status but in order to get She did experience peaks and valleys, and no matter what, Jackie was always there. In the lulls, I was there. But I didn't do it for anything in return. That's where I wanted to be. That's all I'll say. We'll leave it at that.

43:26I'm sorry, Stassi. Don't meet your heroes. Don't ask for PR. I'm sorry that it hurt you, but I'm not sorry I received the PR. But it is curious, and I really don't know why. it's definitely an oversight by her team because Stassi's been so good to her. Stassi is so popular in a real way, like real engagement. And I think Stassi has like evolved past significantly, like her big, you know, crash out of 2020 that like, I really don't think it has to do with that. Or maybe it does. Like maybe Megan's just like scared, but like everyone. Yeah. Three bestselling books. Like she's like. World tour, Fendi fashion show, please.