Jurt and Turt Rivers: Tuesday, May 5th, 2026

9:52Jackie Oshry:I saw them getting out of a sprinter together. No, so, and I think part of the reason why everyone really likes Connor's story is because he's gay. And then Hudson Williams, I think is engaged to a woman or in like a long-term relationship. so I think people it was just like he was never gonna be loved was he just was his character bisexual no no no they're too gay well they were both like closeted you know I never saw the show but like as far as I understand various tiktoks no I only I have read one hockey is like a very

10:19Claudia Oshry:actually people are so obsessed with this show or movie like they're gonna show us they're gonna I

10:24Jackie Oshry:know I know I just feel like I never watched it when it was popular and like now it's too late yeah it just missed me like well they as far as i know based on like the clips i've seen

10:35Claudia Oshry:in long form vertical series did you see that cassie left nate she got a motel room did you see that um no he's not with daisy edgar jones and i don't know why they but i also think at some

10:50Jackie Oshry:point it's just logistics like a lot of the brands like if you go with a brand you have to go like maybe they wore the same design designer had one sprinter van for sure but they also seem to be holding hands but yeah i agree yeah um i have a lot of thoughts a lot of mean ones a lot of nice ones a lot of just critical ones um so we'll get into it in the first story and we have you know scheduling programming update moved dear toaster so tomorrow today she feels like it's gonna be a

11:14Claudia Oshry:long show yeah it's gonna be a long show major mechala recap i think we have like total like mechala and then like two or three other need to discuss stories but i'm not gonna like drag it out with some nonsense when we got shit to do.

11:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah, yeah. So are you saying we should just like cut the PFFB and go?

11:29Claudia Oshry:I guess we could cut and go. I've just been like in a flurry. Oh, we went out for dinner last night, which was super cute because the restaurant was near a lawn. So we were able to enjoy our dinner. We have to like, and that's why I need to, where are those McDonald's that have like the play gyms indoors? Like they are a thing of the past. I think like they're, it was a notoriously litigious affair,

11:51Jackie Oshry:but you're right for that.

11:53Claudia Oshry:Dine at restaurants that have a little rec area for recreation. And yes, last night we went to dinner for Olivia's husband's birthday. That's hilarious. And there was like a little lawn nearby. So everybody was happy. Patch of grass needed. Patch of grass needed a couple sticks and we're good.

12:10Jackie Oshry:Yeah, right. Yeah.

12:11Claudia Oshry:Now bring back those like play gems.

12:14Jackie Oshry:I know. That was such an iconic. And I do think that they got sued a lot for like kids falling and stuff. So they just got rid of them because they were not worth. Oh, wait. Speaking of sued, like major news that got really buried yesterday, which I'm sure will be a story, is Blake Lively. Yes, it is a story. Oh, not her showing up. I have a lot of thoughts. Let's just dive in.

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18:36Claudia Oshry:carpet so the stars were out last night in manhattan for the met gala the theme was fat costume art exploring was fat no it fucking wasn't i was about to say fashion

18:49Jackie Oshry:is art, but costume art. I want to say that, did you find that the Vogue live stream was so high quality? And I feel like, not to be one of those, because like, who cares? But people are so skinny. I feel like celebrities, it's hard to really tell how skinny they are, unless you're like seeing them in person. But it was so clear, the live stream. Gracie Abrams, like her bones. Like I could see everyone's bones. It was honestly like a great advertisement for the camera. It was high quality. I was going to say for Osambic.

19:17Claudia Oshry:Well, that too. yeah no everyone was really looking perjee and I was not going to say fat I was going to say fashion is art but costume or art exploring the sensuality of the dress body and dress code dubbed appropriately fashion is art okay so it is both so it's a mixture of either the theme was like look naked or look like a piece of famous art yes so I feel like it's less obvious this year

19:38Jackie Oshry:like last year I feel was like a real theme black dandyism like that is a style of dress yes and it was much easier to say like you're in theme you're not in theme my criticisms for the looks this year are really not going to be based on the theme because the theme is so generic yeah and like a lot of people just like wore a corset and you were technically in theme because it's like body yeah which is also confusing because it was just heavenly body had heavenly bodies but so some

20:02Claudia Oshry:of people like broad looked like a piece of artwork and some of the references once you see them like are really strong or Kendall and Kylie were dressed like famous statues yes and like some

20:14Jackie Oshry:people literally wore copies of dress like madonna's is literally a painting yes as is um

20:23Claudia Oshry:who was the other one oh the one rachel zegler yeah lady of jane yeah yeah and chloe bennett of vogue editor-in-chief is that her name no the first name was right what's her last name

20:37Jackie Oshry:Mally yeah Chloe Bennett's a girl from H2O like what's H2O Chloe Cleo the fuck sometimes it's insane that like you host a pop culture podcast

20:49Claudia Oshry:what are you talking about

20:53Jackie Oshry:genuinely

20:53Claudia Oshry:Clar Claire Nar

20:58Claudia Oshry:what is that is that on TikTok or is that a show H2O I'll google it

21:07Jackie Oshry:it's a show it's called h2o and it was like australian girls who are mermaids and they can't get wet because if they do they'll turn into mermaids you don't remember that show um i believe claire holt matt caplan's ex-wife is in it and a girl

21:22Claudia Oshry:cleo is there a girl name no they said cleo sir tory no no that's cleo is the name of the character who's portrayed by phoebe tonkin yes phoebe tonkin is claire holt in that or am i

21:33Jackie Oshry:making that up oh gosh Australian she is she is and is somebody named Chloe Bennett I'm seeing Cleo nor the condensation nor the condensation uh you don't know that you never watch that show no no same childhood nor I never watched it nor the condensation

21:56Claudia Oshry:okay back to the Met Gala I don't even think Chloe Bennett's in the show okay sorry go back Back to the Met Gala. Chloe, the new editor-in-chief, also looked like a painting.

22:05Jackie Oshry:Yes. Do you want to go through all the looks? Do you want to say some of your favorites?

22:08Claudia Oshry:Yeah, let's go through all the looks because I want to talk them through. I have my early favorites, but I feel like maybe I could be persuaded in one way or the other once we, like, talk everything out. So let's save best and worst, of course, my favorite. My worst is going nowhere.

22:22Jackie Oshry:And I actually think in years past, I'll have to check old episodes. This person might have been my worst dressed then also. Okay. Can I say it or you want me to wait? Van Platt?

22:33Claudia Oshry:No, but I actually liked his outfit. You know, he's always my worst dress, even when he's not there. I know, right. I don't know what to do with myself because I liked his outfit. A thousand percent. I want it.

22:45Jackie Oshry:My worst dress is like hands down, not even a question. Like everybody else can go home hiding a clue. Agreed. Like, is she fucking serious? Honestly, she should never be allowed back. Agreed.

22:55Claudia Oshry:She got confused. She thought it was her Halloween party.

22:58Jackie Oshry:she got her dates mixed up not a costume not the last sunday in october but the first monday in

23:04Claudia Oshry:may yeah okay let's go through the vogue article of all of the luke's and discuss our thoughts so first up here we have rihanna and asap rocky and i don't like it and that pains me because i love

23:15Jackie Oshry:rihanna um but i just don't like it like just i don't know the meaning i'm just saying like

23:21Claudia Oshry:aesthetics i just don't like it it never occurred to me that i might not like it you know because So I'm just like, they look amazing. They're fashion personified. Of course it's great. Like they crushed it. She is the Met Gala. So if I didn't like it, I wouldn't even know. Because I'm just like, well, this is right.

23:37Jackie Oshry:I know. Because it's Rihanna.

23:39Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, and I still feel that way. Like she's a new mama. Like anything she wears that she wants to wear. It's true. Like you're amazing. Best dressed. Next we have Emma Chamberlain in Mugler.

23:50Jackie Oshry:I don't have that. We're on different lists. What are you on? I'm on the Vogue. see every Met Gala 2026 red carpet look from last night. Oh, okay.

23:58Claudia Oshry:Send me that. I'm on Vogue the best dressed stars at the Met Gala. Just go to the Vogue website.

24:02Jackie Oshry:Go to homepage. It was like the first thing that popped up. And if you guys want to follow along, go to the Vogue website. And we're going through see every Met Gala 2026 red carpet look from last night. On my way. Next up, they had Beyonce, who I apparently everybody knew because on my Instagram, I was like, I'm shocked. I picked my head up and I thought I was, I'm like, no way, Beyonce. But apparently she was like a chair of the event. Everyone's like, you didn't know that.

24:23Claudia Oshry:She's a chair of the event.

24:25Jackie Oshry:I didn't know that. She hasn't gone in 10 years. So everybody like calling me out for not knowing that. Like, how did everybody know that? I was shocked to see her. I think she really came. A lot of people like hard launched their kids last night. They used it. It was very much like a Nepo event. And so I think she really went for Blue because Blue was having this moment. It's crazy work to put your daughter in Balenciaga. I just want to say, I'm sorry. I think that's nuts. But she looked great. She really did. Yeah.

24:50Claudia Oshry:Also, Nicole Kidman brought her daughter. But typically, the Mechala doesn't allow people under 18. um oh but like they have said because they said it's like not she might not have gone in she might not have gone in but they've said like if you're accompanied by your parents like it's okay oh chaperone so they were okay plus nicole and beyonce were part of the board so they could

25:09Jackie Oshry:do whatever the fuck they want so beyonce's look i really wish she didn't have the jacket like first of all i was watching her on the live stream she was in hell she was huffing and puffing she was sweating so much she's wearing this probably dress that weighs 50 pounds and then this enormous this fur coat which I think ruined the look because the whole bodies thing and then here

25:26Claudia Oshry:she is wearing a skeleton like I get it oh yeah and it's a sick dress and I think that the jacket

25:31Jackie Oshry:covers up a lot of like the work yep and I just I love the headpiece I love the dress I hate the jacket I agree completely um but it's so funny about Beyonce like you she her persona is like so much larger than life and I never like hear her talk right she doesn't do interviews like just have a podcast so every time I can't remember the last time I just heard her speak it's always people speaking about her or she's showing up in a look she was interviewed by lala and she's just like a she's just a mom you know every answer was like what are you excited to be here with blue what's new this year i'm seeing it through the eyes of my daughter like she was just actually giving really sweet answers and she's kind of like she was giving shy she was like just very delightful and shy and i feel like i know so much more of like her impact than i do her personality yeah i wasn't expecting her she's just like so like a mom yeah low-key yeah very low-key

26:22Claudia Oshry:yeah that's very sweet next we have um tayana taylor and tom ford um i this look up ruined

26:29Jackie Oshry:for me because i watched her on the stream posing and that happened a lot like rachel zegler oh my god she looked like she had tmj she was like yeah like these people are fucking crazy you were gonna otherwise love rachel zegler of course you guys know i'm such a big fan so Tiana Taylor like I'm looking at this picture this is a sick dress it's literally a work of art but I can't get over like her movements they were insane yeah yeah it's always awkward to see like

26:54Claudia Oshry:someone like smiling or not even what she was doing was different but just someone like getting their picture taken it's just very awkward to see now I feel like one of my biggest criticisms of

27:04Jackie Oshry:the Met this year is not necessarily anyone's looks it's more so I feel like it doesn't feel that exclusive anymore I feel like it's supposed to represent at least how I interpret it maybe I'm interpreting it incorrectly like the year of work like it's supposed to represent that year like kind of how like Dixie D 'Amelio went one year which is insane but like it represented the year

27:22Claudia Oshry:yes yes it should but then there are people who had a big year three years ago and are still worth

27:29Jackie Oshry:inviting right so that's kind of how I feel about Doja Cat like I was really surprised to see her

27:33Claudia Oshry:there yes but like I think she's a huge artist she's very fashion and she's art and she's I'm

27:39Jackie Oshry:It's very fashion.

27:40Claudia Oshry:And art. I'm not surprised to see her there. And I thought she looked great.

27:44Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I thought she looked great, too. I actually like her as a blonde. Yeah, I really like this look. Nicole Kidman wore Chanel. She was like the first one there because she's one of the chairs. She brought her daughter, who was also wearing Chanel, hard launch Nepo baby. The dress is really pretty, but she just like does look like she's going to the Oscars, which like she goes to a lot of black tie events. And this just didn't feel that different.

28:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but I think she looks great. I don't know the reference or to not reference.

28:08Jackie Oshry:but um I don't have any complaints you know I don't know the reference either then we have Tyler

28:15Claudia Oshry:cute yeah very pretty really cute her hair was wet very pretty Sabrina okay so this was really inspired it was she was channeling Audrey Hepburn in the movie Sabrina and her dress was made out

28:30Jackie Oshry:of film tape of the movie of the movie yeah it's it's truly fashion is art art being fashion like Like this is, it's kind of giving, what's that Project Runway challenge where they have to make, they have to make a dress out of like garbage. It's called the something, something materials challenge. Like, fuck, this is going to bother me so much. You know what I'm talking about? They do it every year on Project Runway.

28:52Claudia Oshry:I don't watch that much Project Runway.

28:53Jackie Oshry:They like take them to a dumpster. What is the word I'm looking for? It's like unconventional materials challenge.

29:00Claudia Oshry:Unconventional materials. Yes, that's exactly it. Honestly, it was a huge night for Breener. Not only did she say the theme, the look, the carpet, everything. She performed inside. She did a couple of her hits. She performed with Stevie Nicks, Landslide, like all eyes. I'm bringing her. I'm sorry. If she didn't like get a boyfriend last night. What were you doing?

29:14Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I just also want to say I hate her shoes. Oh, so you're being one of those. Sorry. Oh my God. No, I just, I feel like people are not like criticizing. Like, yeah, this looks amazing. The shoes are bad. I do feel like she has a complex because she's so short. So like she had to wear these stompers, but they're just like so distracting.

29:31Claudia Oshry:I guess it works for me. It doesn't bother me. I'm cracking up that you're one of those people. I love the look I would change the shoes even though Breener should have gotten a boyfriend last night like I actually don't know who in that room would be worthy of her I feel like a man going like solo to the Met Gala is kind of icky there were also not a lot of boys there like nobody brought

29:48Jackie Oshry:their boyfriend no Lewis Hamilton no Timothy no one did nobody did what we asked no Brooks no Taryn no Brooks but Grace Ann was there was anybody else confused by that and Brooks dropped her off I feel like they literally put her in as like Brooks Nader and like she took her seat and everything but like showed up as grace and because like why would grace and be there i have no idea why wasn't brooks there i don't know brooks was was i think like in the sprinter with with grace and dropped her off it'll be on the show whatever it is that's true next up we have one of my best dress i don't know if anyone's gonna come close miss hailey bieber yep the color is stunning the gold plated like it's just insane it's a reference to an old caleuron she's wearing caleuron it's gorgeous i wish she actually didn't take the scarf off though she took it off at the very bottom of the steps and all the pictures are with the remainder of the dress and i think that the scarf really makes it special and it looks you know like a statue

30:41Claudia Oshry:with like the draper drapery yeah yeah no she looks amazing where was justin oh yeah i always like a couple pictures they always do good couple pictures too so we didn't get any of that but yeah no she looks amazing you can tell she probably had the best night ever she's comfortable she's beautiful her hair's up she could dance the night away well she also I feel like made

31:01Jackie Oshry:everyone look so bad because let me tell you she's has a slick back bun barely any jewelry a little highlighter and she's one of the best dressed meanwhile there are people that are wearing like 60 pound dresses who just look stupid like they can't I actually feel like all

31:13Claudia Oshry:the others were like mad at her yeah but you can do it too I guess some people like they just have to wear what the designer says but even people who looked stupid have a little more agency than that like some of them were big stars she looked insane next we have charlie charlie xcx she's wearing some like monet flowers on her chest hate um she needed a necklace and i i hate her hair

31:41Jackie Oshry:in the words of nikki minaj i hate hate hate your hair and makeup today this hair is just like so corny i just don't like it the hair is corny yeah it's like so like glam instagram glam from 2016

31:54Claudia Oshry:yeah yeah it's giving like dated pop star yes that that is interesting because she's not a corny girl

32:01Jackie Oshry:whatsoever no this whole look is just weird i think she's so art yeah no i like the dress but

32:08Claudia Oshry:you know a black dress it's hard like i want to see color especially in this theme when it's art pal it's vibrant like it's yeah it's not um it's not for me but she looks like charlie you know yeah so it's like she's charlie xs is wearing flowers in her own way um cardi b and mark jacobs

32:26Jackie Oshry:also very very close she should thank heidi klum because she would have been my worst dress what

32:31Claudia Oshry:is going on i have no idea are those supposed to be breasts well she got there late so i do think

32:36Jackie Oshry:she missed the stream so we only saw pictures she she looks like she has like hemorrhoids on

32:41Claudia Oshry:her shoulders like this is just bad yeah i but they are they meant to be boobs i didn't think

32:48Jackie Oshry:that they were meant to be boobs i i honestly have no idea i don't know if the reference i don't know i don't care it's just ugly it's mark jacobs ugly is what it is next we have coleman domingo so i feel like it's hard for men to stand out this is the first man we're talking about i actually like what he's wearing i like what he's wearing too it is very art it's art i don't know what the reference is but you know what he looks handsome and I like the jacket so I'm gonna leave it at that no I have I have no negative thoughts next we have um Ayo Etabiri and Chanel beautiful it is really beautiful but I do feel like there was like a certain piece of art that a lot of people referenced um Kendall there was another girl I forget it's like an angelic she she and Kendall reference the exact same thing yeah so I feel like there's like a genre of art that a lot of people referenced including Ayo Adabiri and like hers falls flat compared to the others for

33:38Claudia Oshry:me yes but it is a beautiful silhouette and you can't go wrong whereas other years a lot of people do a similar sort of thing and it's not nearly as beautiful as looking like a goddess or a statue and so this is like I guess the safe choice of the night yes but it's incredibly beautiful and another one who probably had a great time felt very comfortable and very beautiful yes so I I think that's a great like you know if you were going to the Met Gala and you didn't know what to wear that is very safe and yeah good yeah safe next we have Kim Kardashian wearing a sculptor and you know Kim is really one of the ones to watch at the Met Gala so a lot of pressure and

34:18Jackie Oshry:eyes on Miss Kim what do you think and I have to say I actually really like it I heard her explain the she worked with an actual artist who makes like these types of sculptures he doesn't make clothes they like added a skirt to his pre-existing like piece of art so she's literally wearing art it's like a real reference it's crazy to not be wearing pants like remember when Sabrina I think it was last year black dandy's I'm like more like a leotard it's crazy just not to be wearing pants yeah but I love her blonde hair I think the glam is great I actually I feel like Kim is always falling flat for me these days like in fashion especially at the Met Gala like I can't remember the last time she really took my breath away and I love this I love it too it's different she was

34:55Claudia Oshry:like with the old man sculptor um she left him at the door of her sprinter did you see those videos No, I didn't. I was like, is he going to, he like walked her all the way from the hotel to the sprinter. And then he's like in with the bodyguards. I'm like, is he going to go in? And then he didn't. Oh, I'm really sad. No, it was kind of sad. Oh, no. I don't know what like the plan was, but I just didn't like seeing him left on the side of the road.

35:18Jackie Oshry:I don't like that either. She showed up with Chris, who was like doing her Chris thing. She always just wears like a really, not safe, but like really mother of the bride type of.

35:26Claudia Oshry:Yeah, like mother, like, you know, appropriate on theme a little bit. She was wearing Dolce last night. She usually wears like Tommy Hilfiger. I know. She'd go with Tommy. It's never about her except for the one year where she dressed like Jackie Kennedy and she looked amazing.

35:38Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Yes.

35:40Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Blue Ivy. Blue Ivy and Balenciaga.

35:44Jackie Oshry:So like I said, to have your 13 or 14 year old daughter wear Balenciaga is insane. But she does look really cool and good. And there's like a trend with young people like showing off your tan lines. I don't know if you know that. Is that a pro? Yeah, it's like a thing that people do. It looks cool. So she's doing that. So it's cool to have Gen Z representation.

36:02Claudia Oshry:Oh, that's cool. Because in our day, that was so uncouth. Of course, you would literally lay out naked so you didn't have the lines. Now it's being embraced. Oh, okay. I didn't know that was happening. Yeah. So she crushed the look.

36:15Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

36:16Claudia Oshry:It must be very intimidating. How old is she now? Like 14? Something like that. No, that's hard. To be on this carpet. I'm glad she wore sunglasses. I feel like that does give you like a level of confidence. well there's actually this video where it's like the stylist and her mom and everyone's telling her to take off her glasses and she won't do it that was like chloe yeah they didn't want her to walk with glasses but it's like a shield i'm glad she walked with course yeah and the lights are so bright it's a lot it's a lot yep next we have serena williams which is hard because she's wearing

36:44Jackie Oshry:swarovski right because that's my queen um and i just i don't like any part of this i also think it's crazy to wear a watch like it's not an apple watch or anything it's just like a big i'm sure it's like a$300 ,000 watch but it's just

36:56Claudia Oshry:it must be the brand she went with I think she went with Swarovski so like she had to wear their watch

36:59Jackie Oshry:oh I think like I just want to skip this because I'm incapable of saying a bad word about her

37:03Claudia Oshry:I like her shoes I like her strappy shoes oh I don't I like the shoes you don't have I like the girl do you like the glam I like the glam

37:14Jackie Oshry:yes yes yes she has got a beat it's always good to find one

37:18Claudia Oshry:positive yeah okay next we have Emma Chamberlain wearing Mugler aforementioned it's beautiful it's actually insane her transformation

37:29Jackie Oshry:like I'm sorry if you used to like watch her YouTube just to realize like that's this girl I'll never get over it she was doing hosting for E I didn't not E excuse me for Vogue I didn't see her she wasn't on the mainstream she must have been doing like social like TikTok live stream or whatever um but she's quite literate and I wouldn't even consider her like a creator anymore but there was not one influencer there. Nobody from TikTok. I thought it was like, actually, they did. They absolutely did. They locked the door and threw away the key. So I feel like they were really exclusive in terms of like keeping out digital talent.

38:01Jackie Oshry:But I didn't feel like there was exclusivity elsewhere. There were a couple of people and I'll say them when we come to them, but I was really shocked. But no influencers, zero.

38:10Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And where do you think that comes from?

38:14Jackie Oshry:I don't know. I do think they leaned in too hard a few years ago when they had like a YouTube sponsorship and every YouTuber was there. Like that was weird. James Charles, Nikki Tutorials. Like that was crazy. And then I feel like they briefly leaned in when TikTok was really blowing up. They almost like couldn't not acknowledge it. They had Addison and Dixie, the girls who were old enough to go. And now nothing. And I do feel like there's actually a lot of high fashion creators. Do you think it's Lauren and Jeff? Oh, let's talk about Lauren and Jeff. Let's talk about Lauren and Jeff. She like walked the carpet first.

38:46Jackie Oshry:It's like a chair. I fucking love her. I'm sorry. You will literally never get me to say a bad word about her. I'm so in awe of her. Like when we talk about women in business and like hustling, networking, I'm sorry. Nobody's operating at a higher level than Miss Lauren Sanchez Bezos.

39:03Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Not only like to get to where she's gotten, but then as a two of them, as a team, like buying the Met Gala, buying your way in, like because you can. And it's like, you know, a lot of people have issue with it. and I saw an interview with Chloe Bennett, the editor-in-chief of Vogue, and they asked her, like, how do you feel about, like, Lauren's involvement? And, you know, I'm sure inside it kills her that she says, like, sell the rag. Take money, yeah. But she's like, you know, it's been, they said, like, she's a force. She's, in multiple areas in the world, she's, you know, sort of pushes her way in, and it's been amazing for the exhibit.

39:38Claudia Oshry:Like, at the end of the day, they are giving money to this thing. This is a fundraiser, and they've got the funds.

39:42Jackie Oshry:well what's funny is that the involvement of lauren and jeff bezos has now like had people turning on the event like sarah paulson's outfit was like a she wore the money over her eyes it's from a collection called the one percent like it was very much a um statement and a couple of people have um boycotted the event because of the bezos and it's like it has always been this it's always been a group of wealthy people you can't get in without spending at least a hundred thousand before even buying an outfit. It's always been this like obscene, out of touch display of wealth. So I don't understand why like the Bezos is going makes it that much different.

40:17Jackie Oshry:It's the same exact thing. It's true. You're just like finding a moment to like boycott it now.

40:22Claudia Oshry:I have more respect for people who just didn't go because it doesn't align with their values. Like that is respectable if that's how you feel. Sarah Paulson going and making a statement is seriously one of the loseriest things I ever saw. Loser sneeze.

40:36Jackie Oshry:It's giving when AOC went and wore a dress and said, tax the rich. I'm like, look around. Maybe you are the rich. Like, look around. Look around. Don't tell us. Yeah, so I feel like people do get, like, their wires crossed now with Bezos's involvement when it's always been this. If it wasn't Bezos, it's another billionaire funding it.

40:55Claudia Oshry:Yeah, and I just want to say, like, the people who embrace it, who are just like, yeah, let it rain. They're having so much fun. And all of you on the sidelines, like, piecing in bottles and leaving it in the museum, you're not having fun. You're not having fun.

41:09Jackie Oshry:Lauren's dress was heavily criticized. There was a rumor, I read it on Twitter, and then it turned out not to be true that because she paid whatever, she was wearing Schiaparelli and that she got exclusivity. No one else was allowed to wear Schiaparelli, but that's not true because Kylie was wearing Schiaparelli. I would want exclusivity

41:24Claudia Oshry:that me and Kylie have to wear the same thing and we have to sit together.

41:28Jackie Oshry:And everyone was saying, her outfit's so boring, like$10 million just to wear Mother of the Bride dress. She's a 50-year-old woman. What the fuck do you guys want? And if she did come out in this like incendiary, oh, she's trying so hard. You know what? I'm sorry. People just hate her. And I love, love, love.

41:42Claudia Oshry:Did you see the reference to the art reference? I did see the art reference. Because the reference was on point. So not only is it like a beautiful dress that highlights her fantastic figure, the reference was on point. Madam X. I love her.

41:55Jackie Oshry:Like, seriously, you'll never get me to say a bad word about her. I'm trying to get on the yacht.

41:59Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, it's just like lighten up, have fun or stay home. Speaking of Kendall Jenner, the Jenner crew. Oh, wait, I just wanted to say, I think Emma Chamberlain looks amazing. And I think, like, I saw the reference, but I didn't even need to see it. It's obviously, like, the brushstrokes of Van Gogh. Watercolors. Like, literally, it's a top contender for me. Agreed. Hate her hair, but that's her hair now.

42:22Jackie Oshry:Like, that's who she is.

42:23Claudia Oshry:That's okay. Our next one, another top contender every year, Kendall Jenner and the nipple out.

42:28Jackie Oshry:The nipple out is such, like, a funny nod to, like, I guess, like, body dresses, which is what Kylie did I think probably better than anyone um so she had like a little slip of it she's referencing that angelic art her dress did open up into like a Victoria's Secret angel wing I don't know why they didn't do it on the carpet because all the pictures of it are from inside and by then like people just don't care anymore like it's the carpet pic she should have

42:50Claudia Oshry:done it at the top of the carpet if she could have because once she opens it she can't close it so she couldn't do it at the bottom right she'd have all the pictures in it uh I imagine no I think she looks amazing it also reminds me of the book I'm reading the it girl when she sits for her

43:02Jackie Oshry:portrait and like she has to have like one boob out that maybe she's inspired maybe she's inspired by evelyn talbot kylie is next wearing scaparelli it's like it's it's actually the dress itself is insane in terms of like the art of it all because she's wearing a body dress and it looks like the dress she's actually wearing is being ripped off like taking it off i love i have i loved it i i'm so over the bleached eyebrows thing because i actually thought she was gabriette

43:30Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I thought she was Gabrielle too. I think she looks amazing, like really perfection. For me, I would not have bleached eyebrows, and that's coming from someone like with essentially bleached eyebrows, so like I can speak to the experience. But yeah, it just is a little bit distracting when everything else about the look is just so beautiful. And bleaching eyebrows, it's not like a beautiful look. It's an intense like fashion look. I feel like people just do it to be fashion. If she had leaned into just like ethereal beauty, like it just would have been over the top. But it's still really amazing.

44:02Claudia Oshry:Agreed. But it's also like how she carries herself. So much about it. Like Kendall. That's why I say like anyone. If Kendall wore anyone's dress here she'd be best dressed. Because she just like carries herself like the best dressed.

44:12Jackie Oshry:And Kendall was wearing. A couple of people were wearing Gap. Zach Posen for Gap. Which is just a crazy Gap at the Met Gala. But every look I saw of his was actually really good.

44:24Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

44:25Jackie Oshry:And she was his date.

44:27Claudia Oshry:next we have Alex Consani

44:31Jackie Oshry:I just feel like this is a safe boring dress like like I said if you want it to be in theme you just wore a corset and so she's wearing like a pretty corset dress and with a nipple like this is a real nipple though

44:41Claudia Oshry:yeah with like a classic big dress big jacket yeah the silhouette is pretty classic but I guess everyone else was wearing fake nipples yeah she pulled out a real one true I have to

44:51Jackie Oshry:say Rachel Sinat from I Love LA who's up next I loved her outfit like

44:55Claudia Oshry:it's so different like I get it like I love it I do that's really funny I don't know her oh she's like the Gen Z girl yeah yeah and I don't know her outfit and I respect it but you know I'm not like I'm it's not for me personally it's not my taste but I could see how it's on

45:15Jackie Oshry:theme next up we had Gracie Abrams in Chanel um hate hate but you know that she's referencing woman in gold. I said I hate her hair. Okay.

45:25Claudia Oshry:Hate her hair.

45:26Jackie Oshry:And no, I didn't know that. It's a pretty dress.

45:28Claudia Oshry:It's not like it's whatever. I just feel like she's not worthy to reference woman in gold given like all the history of the picture.

45:34Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I needed to be a Jew ass. Is she a Jew? No.

45:39Claudia Oshry:Are you sure?

45:40Jackie Oshry:Positive.

45:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I actually thought she was a Jew and she wasn't worthy. But that doesn't change my stance. She's not worthy. it's a beautiful dress a beautiful reference but she's like not my favorite

45:55Jackie Oshry:chris jenner and dolce obsessed like it's just it's so chris it is so chris joe burrow like looking weird and out of place considering he's the second man we've spoken

46:07Claudia Oshry:about i think that he looks good you know he must feel funny definitely you know he feels funny i saw a picture of him like a video of him taking a picture with his teammate he's probably like this is so silly yeah and like girly aren't you embarrassed um SZA there's a lot it's a lot yeah I like I feel like it could have been a little less yeah there's just a lot

46:31Jackie Oshry:oh okay Chase Infinity she's up there with Best Dressed I feel like everyone's talking about her dress she's up there with

46:36Claudia Oshry:Hoomst for me with who Hoomst

46:38Jackie Oshry:oh who is

46:39Claudia Oshry:yeah she's like new up and coming actress I asked Liz and Liz gave me a response that I had no idea what it was

46:46Jackie Oshry:she was just on the oscar circuit she was in one battle after another um she's like an up-and-coming like big timey actress and i fucking love her dress liz had a typo because i'm like i don't know what

46:56Claudia Oshry:she said she's from one barry after another one battle one i'm like what's one barry i really

47:02Jackie Oshry:don't know anything she looks i just love this dress and you know what's shocking is that it's tom brown and i feel like any outfit i've ever seen of tom brown is the ugliest thing ever and the fact that he made this like insanely beautiful colorful bright dress that's like

47:13Claudia Oshry:perfect for her yeah no i was shocked she looks very nice um bad bunny wore zara which is insane

47:21Jackie Oshry:i guess like an old man explain i can't i think that also zara is now it's like john galliana one of those like for zara kind of how zach posen forgot um i don't get it um at all so sorry i just

47:35Claudia Oshry:don't understand why he looked old and then there was a video of him saying hi to chris and kim and it looks like they're giving him the cold shoulder because he's kendall's ex but i think it's really because they don't recognize him.

47:42Jackie Oshry:I had no idea who it was until Lala interviewed him.

47:44Claudia Oshry:How would we ever know who that is?

47:46Jackie Oshry:And like literally, God forbid,

47:48Claudia Oshry:Vogue put the names on the live stream. That would have solved the problem. Right. So, yeah. Oh, next we have Dochi. She looks really amazing. Yeah. Very like Greek goddess. Yeah, very beautiful. Yeah. But, you know, last year she went viral for like yelling at everyone.

48:05Jackie Oshry:Oh, yes. That video popped up on my Instagram this morning. Making the rounds again. Very awkward. hopefully she didn't yell as much this year i don't know jeremy pope but i love his blouse yeah a couple of men justin jefferson like i really don't care about the men

48:19Claudia Oshry:yeah we can skip ahead to daisy edgar jones and alexander mclean boring boring but beautiful uh tessa thompson and valentino pretty

48:31Jackie Oshry:pretty same with jasmine too because there's just like a lot of people wearing pretty dresses like i don't know it looks really beautiful though oh louisa jacobson i kind of love what she's wearing it's the first time i'm seeing it and i don't know who she is is she not um she looks like gilded age girl oh maybe the gilded age girls look so different in person i'm just skipping to like a couple of more interesting people and i don't know a lot of these people and i also don't care yeah oh let's go to madonna madonna wore this like insane dress hat trumpet with eight girls and she took up the whole carpet um and it she literally recreated an entire painting.

49:08Jackie Oshry:Yeah, which is cool. Yeah, it was very cool. I enjoyed it. And I like when people come with like, you know, staff.

49:14Claudia Oshry:And like not everyone can do it. And everyone, please don't do it. Like we only have so much a lot of time on the carpet. And I don't give a fuck. But if you're going to do it, like this is a good way to do it. And I think Madonna's a good candidate. She's earned the right to take up our time. Only a few people can. Like Lady Gaga when she did it.

49:31Jackie Oshry:Rihanna when she did the big yellow fur jacket. Yes. Let's go down to Tate McRae. People were like kind of gagged by Tate McRae. She looks insane. Her body is, as the kids say, tea. Yeah. She does look very beautiful. She looks like the fluffer from Beauty and the Beast. Yeah. What's that? The feather duster. Fluffet. Plumet. Something like that. Yeah. I want to talk about Blake Lively next. She showed up. I had, I never in my life thought she was going to come. Like I was shocked. And my first thought was good for her. you just know she's in hell she has to just keep doing stuff to move on especially now they released a statement we'll talk about it there's not going to trial it's over she had to go and she is kind of like met gala queen her dress is sick yeah and it's like she's

50:17Claudia Oshry:taking up a lot of space physically with her dress as she usually does it's not like she's coming in quietly now she wasn't with ryan but i think this is one place that's really like her place i think her and Anna and the fashion board are still tight so she's most welcome here and she should go and what is she unless she's going quietly into the night like she needs to go and she was

50:37Jackie Oshry:like literally on her best behavior because you know they film you going up the stairs and a lot of time you have handlers and it's a stressful thing I think it's hot in there everyone's picking up your dress you can't move till they pick up your dress she was like oh thank you so much yes yes and then she was interviewing Lala and she was like I actually felt bad for her she was sorry she was being interviewed by Lala I actually felt bad for her she was just like really putting on um and i think it's probably nerve-wracking to like be doing interviews again but she was like talking to lala about her purse which was judith lieber and they wanted to like replicate art on it so she actually had her kids do like a bunch of watercolors and they made a purse of it like whatever and lala was like that's great that's great like it was just it was painful

51:12Claudia Oshry:you gotta start somewhere you exactly i'm glad she went like seriously good for her and she looks very beautiful and the dress is beautiful she slays yeah and it's versace russell wilson and

51:24Jackie Oshry:sierra looking great like he does like looks well it's hard to be like a straight manly guy and like put on a costume but i think he looks great and i think it's even better when you're like with

51:35Claudia Oshry:your wife who's gonna hold it down and then you just you hit the accents which i feel like you did they look great especially together um i'm scrolling just because i don't care about a lot

51:45Jackie Oshry:of these people i don't know yeah we had you know the obligatory models showing up in the fashion as they should. Designers. Amelia Gray was there. I actually didn't see her until this roundup, so she didn't really make an impact. She wore a black dress. The Peltz Beckhams weren't there. Oh, huge missed opportunity. Grace Gummer. What's her name? Caroline Kennedy from... Oh, yes. Oh, Sarah Pidgeon, too, wore such a bad look. Like, I feel like it was such a missed opportunity. She wore, like, literally something. Like, it looks like it's from Revolve.

52:18Claudia Oshry:But like to me, she's the exact type who got invited with a designer and is wearing what she's told. She does not hold really sway. I guess. But it's just a missed opportunity because she's one of the girls of this year. Yes. Oh, for sure. But like that's just, you know, she's happy to be there. I thought I really like Karlie Kloss's dress. Oh, that's so funny. I was just about to say Karlie Kloss looking like a ball sack. I thought she looked so beautiful. I really liked how it moved. I really like the dress, actually. I like the shoes. to becky wore flats queenie oh wow she looks beautiful oh my god i so don't and the flats i get it you know because she's the statue and they do wear flats oh rachel zegler she did the art

53:02Jackie Oshry:yeah a lot of people were like freaking out that she wore something over her eyes i just assumed it was like some reference so i have no problem like with the weirdness i you have to watch a video of her posing and you can see in this picture that vogue it's a lot of job she looks insane Yeah, I saw it. Sarah Paulson, we've already discussed. Loser sneeze. Oh, also one of my worst dressed, Miss Cher.

53:26Claudia Oshry:Just weird. I just feel like that can't be worse dressed, you know?

53:31Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I mean, I haven't gotten to her yet, but I feel like we're at the bottom of the list with like a relevance, so we don't need to keep going, is Heidi Klum. So she's definitely my worst dressed.

53:40Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I would say so too. Like she was literally, like she actually dressed up like a statue and not in like a fashionable way, but like in a costume way.

53:49Jackie Oshry:Yeah, so I just feel like it's such a high class affair. And like the fact that she wore something that she could have worn to her like really tacky Halloween party is so bad. This should be, like I feel like if you dress poorly enough, you should be kicked out. Like from never, and like to me, that's what Heidi Klum, so she is my worst dress. And I guess I'm staying with my original picks. Hailey Bieber is my best dress. And it's so, some of the after party looks were sick. Hailey and Kendall in that hotel. Oh yeah, they looked amazing. I feel like my like I'm so boring because it's always like Haley and Kendall and like just like

54:19Claudia Oshry:the boring like skinny like girls but like I'm sorry they slay every year yeah they do did you see Sabine Getty I don't know who that is but look up her dress of course I saw Sabine Getty with the ring and the hand on the dress I loved that dress I wish that someone like more known wore it just so like everyone would be talking about it like if Kendall or Haley or Kylie wore that dress not that I would change either of their looks but like then they would be for sure best dressed I just really really loved that dress and people should look it up if you haven't seen it it's just funny because um like Vogue then released a best dressed look and I feel like

54:58Jackie Oshry:half the people a list excuse me and the people that I would have thought were going to be on it or not like it's so subjective do you know what I mean yeah it is and I feel like a lot of people like you give guesses before like who you think is going to be um on the best dressed list and everybody like i've been on like polymarket you could have predicted who like yeah no i think they

55:17Claudia Oshry:had predictions for yeah best at the met gala okay and so like here were the people and i feel like

55:24Jackie Oshry:vogue like kind of goes rogue like nicole kidman i wouldn't say best dressed doja cat i wouldn't say best dressed um alex consani a lot of people predicted on polymarket and she was on the best dress list same with rihanna but that's easy that's easy but then some people it's hard because you don't even know if people are going to show up. Like a lot of people on Polymarket predicted that Lady Gaga and Travis Kelsey would be on the best dress list and they weren't even there. Yeah. That's fun.

55:48Claudia Oshry:That is really fun.

55:48Jackie Oshry:Oh, Chapel Roan also people thought, but she was not there either. Miss Chap. But Beyonce, Sabrina Carpenter. Oh, and Gwendolyn Christie. Did you see her look? Yes. Our queen. Yes. The Oathkeeper. She made Vogue's best dress list and I was really surprised to see her there.

56:04Claudia Oshry:Yes, I thought she looked great and very on theme. Kendall Jenner, Kim. Kendall Jenner is always a safe choice, as for me, is Kylie.

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56:28Claudia Oshry:Thanks, Turdy. Also, a couple more people at the bottom of this list, like Anne Hathaway, who was dressed like a vase, I believe. I saw people living for this, and I just want to say I didn't like it. I'm not living for this okay and Margot Robbie was very like demure and low key I feel the way about her

56:45Jackie Oshry:as I do like like she goes to a lot of like Nicole Kidman she goes to a lot of Oscars like this just looks like an Oscars dress it's beautiful yeah

56:54Claudia Oshry:yeah it's beautiful and it's safe and nice and she didn't like reinvent the wheel but she's not getting into any trouble no which is good I guess yeah I think my best dress was Kylie as it always is yeah I loved her I thought she looked beautiful Of course I love Kendall's. I think Kylie's was a bit more ornate.

57:12Jackie Oshry:Oh, you know who we didn't talk about who looked at Gourgine? Zoe Kravitz didn't show up with Harry. And her left hand was in her pocket all the time.

57:19Claudia Oshry:She looked Gourgine, but she always looks Gourgine. And I also felt like her dress, I haven't seen the reference associated, so I don't really know. But like, it just felt like it's something you could wear like any year, really. But I guess it was a romper. The same goes for Kendall and Kylie. And Janelle Monae. she was on Vogue's best dress list and she looked sick she always looks like amazing and like she's so fashion somewhere else um and does but yes noticeably absent no instagrammers no tiktokers no uh podcasters no podcasters I thought that maybe Travis would be there because him and Jason

57:55Jackie Oshry:because I was thinking like the ins the Bezos connection they have a huge podcast network and they have a lot of really big shows like the smart list guys are there new heights is there So I thought maybe we would get like some podcast talent. But no, they really gate kept the internet folk away. They kept them away.

58:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah, which I'm fine with. Just keep the bar like high for all talent across the board. Yeah, and like I like her, but like Cammie Mendez.

58:17Jackie Oshry:Like how do you, you know what I mean? Like this is not a person. She was there again. Yeah, who like represents the year, I feel. But maybe that's not what it is.

58:24Claudia Oshry:No, but also I feel like she earned her stripes to get invited for a couple years when Riverdale was this, I guess. Of course, they were all there. And now she's just like a fashion girl. I'm sure the designer's like dressing her. and she's just like a safe choice. Yeah, I guess. I thought Joey King also looked amazing.

58:38Jackie Oshry:Oh, me too. I like Joey King and I thought Jake Shane was going to be there and he wasn't.

58:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but no digital talent.

58:46Jackie Oshry:Zero. I thought that was, that's like a little bit of a miss. I feel like they should have had like two people. I feel like they either do so many, like let the floodgates in with all the YouTubers or none. Like how about three?

58:55Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Also, Cara Delevingne was a host. I thought she looked really beautiful.

58:59Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Yeah, so Ashley Graham, Cara Delevingne, and Lala Anthony hosted the live stream, and it was mostly Lala holding it down. And thank God for that because she is so good at her job. And Minji. And Amanda Seyfried, yeah.

59:11Claudia Oshry:I love Amanda Seyfried's dress, but of course I do because it's pink. Yeah. And I actually really like her look, even though she's Minji. Right. Okay, so that's your Met Gala recap. Fun night. Hope everyone had fun. Hope some people fell in love. Otherwise, what are you guys all doing there? Like looking beautiful and hanging out.

59:32Jackie Oshry:It's so true. You know what I mean? Bring your boyfriends.

59:35Claudia Oshry:Bring your boyfriends. I also like, as we're looking at this list, I'm not seeing like a lot of like eligible bachelors. I don't really know these guys, but like maybe Jeff had some friends or like some C-suite level executives.

59:45Jackie Oshry:Oh, and there's a lot of attendees who don't get photographed. They just go in the regular entrance, you know, socialites, wealthy people who are not famous, donors, people on the board. So yeah, I think that you could find a businessman, Beau, if you tried. Yeah, and so I think one of them,

59:58Claudia Oshry:hopefully like took a shining to Sabrina and maybe she's going out on a date this week with someone with a billionaire time yeah yeah so jolly good show and all in all like my sentiment is like everyone looked really beautiful this was a beautiful night like not not even clown like

1:00:15Jackie Oshry:whereas usually it's like it's giving capital Hanover games no and some themes people like just really don't know what to do with themselves this was like a kind of a boring theme but that

1:00:25Claudia Oshry:like inspired beautiful looks yeah yeah all in all i had a good time yeah okay our next story which is like another big story from today is that blake lively and justin justin baldoni have settled their epic it ends with us lawsuit so yesterday after a year and a half of bitter feuding in court and in the press blake lively and justin baldoni have resolved their legal differences two weeks ahead of a federal trial lively had accused baldoni uh of sexual harassment on set of their 2024 film, It Ends With Us. She also alleged that when she raised complaints about it, he and his army of publicists engaged in a digital smear campaign to retaliate.

1:01:02Claudia Oshry:In a carefully crafted joint statement released on Monday, the parties expressed their feelings about moving on. Quote, The end product, the movie, is a source of pride to all of us who work to bring it to life, raising awareness and making a meaningful impact in the lives of domestic violence survivors, and all survivors is a goal that we stand behind. We acknowledge the process presented to challenges and recognize concerns raised by Ms. Lively deserve to be heard. We remain firmly committed to workplaces is free of improprieties and unproductive environments. It is our sincere hope that this brings closure and allows all involved to move forward constructively and in peace, including a respectful environment online.

1:01:35Jackie Oshry:So I think this is great. I'm like a little upset that after all this, like we're not even getting a trial. But I don't, it's giving we're both wrong. If somebody has a huge case, like you're not settling, especially if you feel like you really want to get your name cleared and like vindicated. so it's it's giving like nobody had a leg to stand on I guess uh but also sometimes when you

1:01:58Claudia Oshry:settle like someone does get paid and does get what they're looking for well the details of the

1:02:02Jackie Oshry:settlement are not made public I would like to know yeah so we don't know that because that's

1:02:06Claudia Oshry:also winds up being like some sort of admission in some cases in other cases it's like just go

1:02:10Jackie Oshry:away I will literally pay you to go away yes and I think some celebrities like really feel vehemently like against doing that because it does indicate at least like I I think for me like if you're paying someone to be quiet it's because you did something yeah not always depends on the amount you paid is but when we won't know even though technically um it wasn't necessarily blake lively and justin baldoni settling it was blake lively and his company because as of a couple of weeks ago the charges or whatever against him were dropped by the judge yeah so i i actually think she probably had a bit of a case just like hr wise with the company and so maybe they settled

1:02:50Claudia Oshry:for that reason yeah but i also think the longer this drags on it's a it's not good for either of them it's not getting better for either of them and it's not going to get by there for either of them they should have done this one year ago like i fucking said um yeah and now they can start to pick up the pieces you know like i fucking said i literally said like they're ruining each other No one's going to come out smelling like roses here.

1:03:13Jackie Oshry:I know. And hopefully Justin Baldoni had the foresight to see that like the only place for him to go is down. Like people are loving him. They're believing him. But like the public opinion is so finicky and people just get like so group think like. So you know what? Making it go away is wise for all them because it can't get any worse for Blake Lively. Yeah.

1:03:29Claudia Oshry:And I do think they're both a little bit right and a little bit wrong. And on some points point to Blake and on some points point to Justin.

1:03:37Jackie Oshry:I agree. The issue I really do have is like with how people so very quickly and easily were like swayed into hating Blake Lively and how she literally overnight became the most hated woman in America.

1:03:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And you know me.

1:03:50Jackie Oshry:I'm like always going to defend my fellow woman.

1:03:52Claudia Oshry:So how do you feel about like this settlement, putting it to bed? Like what does this mean for you?

1:03:57Jackie Oshry:I hate having an unpopular opinion. Like I keep getting asked about it and it's just like sending more hate my way. So I'm glad that I never have to share my unpopular opinion.

1:04:04Claudia Oshry:And I'm sure people are glad that they never have to hear it. yeah and also we can all sort of like agree to disagree no one's right no one's wrong the people who were like writing for Justin or writing for Blake like I I don't know where we channel all that energy now because I do still feel like the energy exists and we just all have to like move on um but yeah this is like a no win situation and no one won no zero and I feel the most

1:04:27Jackie Oshry:interesting part is like I'm very curious to see how Blake Lively if Blake Lively and I think based on last night she will like return to public life and how her cute score will either you know decrease or increase justin baldoni like wasn't that big of a star before and if anything he's probably come out on the other side like more famous and maybe a little bit more well liked by his fans like you know they're a zealous group ride or die yeah i am really curious of how she comes back from this if at all people really just fucking hate her i feel like for her

1:04:57Claudia Oshry:it will come down to whether or not she has like good friends in this industry who will take up for her and put her in movies and cast her and stuff and give her deals or whatever because she can go to any event she wants and you know she can post on instagram as much as she wants like if she's gonna be in the next star wars you're gonna fucking see star wars yeah but the thing is she

1:05:16Jackie Oshry:never really was she wasn't like a major actress she's like gossip girl i know and she's done like

1:05:21Claudia Oshry:some of the worst movies ever like have to get back to work in a meaningful way she has to be

1:05:26Jackie Oshry:like a major marvel yeah i do think that her and ryan have deep roots in the industry and people like him um i think that's what got her into trouble i'm ever bringing hugh jackman to the meeting taylor swift that like to me that's just that's an issue the taylor thing it doesn't it

1:05:41Claudia Oshry:really does not help her case what if taylor came to you and said claudia like she's like you have

1:05:47Jackie Oshry:to get off team to blake great where do i sign up do you think i give a fuck about these people

1:05:52Claudia Oshry:So you're saying Taylor came to me.

1:05:55Jackie Oshry:Yeah, right. No, Taylor's coming to me. Where is this happening? Like, I don't really care. I don't know these people at all. Like, this means something to me.

1:06:03Claudia Oshry:So you're team Taylor more than you're team Blake.

1:06:06Jackie Oshry:Yeah, of course. And so, like, I do. I just, like, I genuinely have empathy for Blake. Like, to become the most hated woman in America because, like, you felt that you were sexually harassed. Like, that's insane, you know? But, like, the losing your best friend. Like, what did you do to Taylor? Like, seriously, that's the most confounding part.

1:06:21Claudia Oshry:And what if it's really, even though I don't believe that this is otherwise, Taylor Swift's really the worst person ever. If it's really that her friend was in all this drama and she didn't want to be caught up in the gym and she dropped her.

1:06:32Jackie Oshry:I just don't think that's the case. Especially because there's depositions and stuff. Taylor is slightly involved, that meeting. So there's more there than just, oh, I don't want to be friends with you. And Taylor literally could never be that person. Because Blake and Ryan were one of the very few from that girl gang era. And then she got canceled reputation. one of the remaining feel like a lot of people forget who she used to be friends with zendaya like people she never speaks to again so they are ride or die yeah

1:07:03Claudia Oshry:and it's crazy because like when taylor i can't think about it too hard yeah but it's crazy because

1:07:07Jackie Oshry:when like taylor and her were best friends like i didn't really like blake so i was like oh can she have like a better friend and now like i kind of like blake you should and i'm like yeah wouldn't

1:07:15Claudia Oshry:it be great if they were friends like my two girls but don't you think it's weird that taylor's lost like at least two like best friends this year kelly and blake kelly's different i'm sorry like

1:07:26Jackie Oshry:kelly and her were so fast so furious they were friends for like literally yes less than a year

1:07:30Claudia Oshry:that's not the same as blake no you told me they were friends for a long time did i yeah because i remember thinking they or their friendship started from that video um with miles i thought that was yeah but you said no they were friends for longer yeah i think when did i say that

1:07:46Jackie Oshry:when we were talking about it. But that's not what I think. So why would I say that? I don't know. Were they? No. I thought that's when it started. I don't think so. No, that remains one of the great mysteries of my life. Yeah. And, yeah. No, but Taylor's, I think at a certain level, like it's just hard to keep friends, to be honest. Like you are so famous and so rich and like so culturally impactful that like, it's not like you know breeding grounds for long-term female friendships there's a lot of jealousy you know disloyalty betrayal i don't know i don't know i understand so it sounds like you're sort of alluding to taylor being the problem i have to leave space for it i'm not

1:08:30Claudia Oshry:saying that but i have to like i have to consider it i have to consider it but i'm not saying that okay are you ready for our next story if it's our next story that's brought to you by dolklax

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1:13:12Claudia Oshry:oh good yeah in this little updo that i have going on also i'm cracking up because look at the front page of the daily mail right now just go to dailymail.com uh what is it about lauren

1:13:22Jackie Oshry:sanchez bezos no it's dailymail.com is it me no no no it's about blake lively snapping at the red carpet helpers oh blake lively snaps at met gala red carpet helpers in wild diva moment after settling legal battle she really didn't like she's just telling people how to use her

1:13:38Claudia Oshry:how to like touch her dress yeah but that's crazy that's literally the fun page of the world news not even like entertainment that's like she is so hated i'm sorry i feel bad for her like that's

1:13:48Jackie Oshry:people don't understand like i'm an empath and i'm a woman who supports other women and like so yeah i feel bad for blake lively and so she has my support and you just know even if she's the

1:13:55Claudia Oshry:biggest bitch on the planet she wasn't about to be a bitch last night publicly right after she buries and she's been in this legal drama for a year and a half like nothing out of her mouth you weren't going to catch her in a bitchy moment so the fact that they're trying to make something of this is really infuriating for her when she was on her best behavior absolutely um our next story is an article that came out in vulture the masterminds of reality tv so vulture has put together a roundup he gets his dick it's like a list the roundup a list of the 30 most powerful people in reality tv in 2026 and i want to talk about this for two reasons because one i think the list is deeply flawed and two there's drama with nick from love island so let's talk about it okay so the list includes 30 stars executives hosts podcasters and franchises that are shaping the future of television's most tantalizing genre so here is and i just think it's a crazy list

1:14:52Jackie Oshry:sorry I keep cutting off you go uh no I'm gonna read to you the list and I just want to say the list is I think poorly done because like there's so many fucking randoms on there and then I'm like surprised that somebody like Andy Cohen would sit for this while he's on a list with

1:15:06Claudia Oshry:like Amaya Papaya it makes no sense I know so Amaya and Nick from this season of Love Island were both on the list oh I can't and I just think that like fucking list I think that those are both

1:15:20Jackie Oshry:like poor choices this is a show that aired a year ago and their cultural impact is not really relevant anymore and like they're not shaping for what this list said what you just described they're not shaping the reality the future of reality tv no they're not and pick one person

1:15:34Claudia Oshry:from this season of love island if you must i would pick alandria it's possible that she didn't know this list was gonna be a big deal and turned it down um but i certainly would not pick nick who's just riding her coattails and i would not pick amaya who did not mastermind anything She just sort of accidentally fell into being America's sweet heart because like Ace was mean to her once and everybody hated everyone else. Like she did not mastermind. No, but like the show is over.

1:16:00Jackie Oshry:Like, no, I can't remember any of these people's names. They're on this turnt beyond the villa show. Like it's not. But what's interesting is that it's clear that whoever wrote the article about Nick is a Nicolandria truther. And I just want to say I love her because the article about them, about Nick calls him just like a strategic, basically using a lot of nice words to call him like a moocher. referenced the fact that they were coupled up for a week and decided that they have no chemistry and they don't like each other so they're in this fake relationship this business partnership yeah basically saying riding her coattails nick then like tweeted like you know you flew me out like you know shoot me half naked and write these mean things about me he like tweeted about it oh yeah why was that naked oh i don't know but i just want to say slay to the person who wrote it like finally the nicolandria truthers will be heard i just want to say as much as i agree with

1:16:43Claudia Oshry:their assessment that he pivoted from his connection to you know go with what the fandom was feeling I actually felt like they were trying to give him credit as a mastermind as a strategic person yeah as someone because like the the intro of the article is like these people you know know how to move the show forward and they're going to keep you engaged and blah blah blah so they were actually like I think just trying to drill home their point that he's a mastermind of reality television not that he's a userer correct so I he he should be insulted like for a different reason but not actually they were trying to give him like some credit of him being smart um whatever Here's who else is on the list.

1:17:16Claudia Oshry:We have Jesse Draper from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. I agree. I agree because even if, I mean, it doesn't age great after the voice note right now. But like. She is still moving reality TV forward. What they're doing on that show is game changing. Even if you take the voice note at its worst, like that actually makes her even more of a mastermind, right? Yeah. No, no. Her place on the list is not questioned. This list like really didn't have any judgment. Like if you're the worst person on your show. No. It was really meant to be like the people who are keeping you like hooked on reality TV.

1:17:48Claudia Oshry:So Jesse Draper, yes. We had Lindsay Hubbard from Summer House. Yes. Was Sierra on the list?

1:17:53Jackie Oshry:No.

1:17:54Claudia Oshry:Ariana Maddox is on the list as a host.

1:17:57Jackie Oshry:No, I think that's wrong. Like maybe at one point, but sorry, this is not a person who was ever really moved reality TV forward. She's just like fell into this situation.

1:18:05Claudia Oshry:But I do think that they could have used her as like a symbol of Love Island and not had the other two. but to dedicate three spots to Love Island when it's like not even on the air right now and the cast changes every season. Right. And I heard that somebody else is hosting this season. I don't know if that's true. Oh, I heard she's hosting. Oh, we'll see. Reigns to be seen. Nick Vile showed up for the podcasters. Perfect casting. I think if you're going to have one podcaster for reality TV, that feels fair. It does feel fair. It could have also been Alex Cooper because she does often. Reality now.

1:18:34Claudia Oshry:But like she does some reality. Nick does really like all reality. All. You know, they watch everything. I approve. We have Whitney Carson from Dancing with the Stars. Approved. We have NeNe Leakes.

1:18:47Jackie Oshry:Approved. Even though she hasn't been on reality TV for a while, her legacy remains unchecked. It's true.

1:18:54Claudia Oshry:And she is returning and it was a big deal. Yes, but it does feel like a couple years late. I cannot get into the article because I'm not subscribing to Vulture. But we also have Tiffany Pollard.

1:19:07Jackie Oshry:yeah same thing as nini like yes her impact is undeniable but a little overdue yeah and it's not

1:19:15Claudia Oshry:they this is like the 2026 year so they could have just been like you know reality star hall of fame that would have been more accurate kathy hilton also like i love her but i don't think she's moving reality tv into another accidental queen of reality tv she's not masterminding alan cummings was on as yes and he is a mastermind Andy Cohen obviously a mastermind Michelle Visage I know you

1:19:41Jackie Oshry:don't know who that is but she's like one of the long time from drag RuPaul's Drag Race and she's

1:19:45Claudia Oshry:honestly legendary that's a good one but so not everyone sat for this photo shoot because I'm not seeing like these pics of like Kathy Hilton no they're all have their own covers so I'm going

1:19:54Jackie Oshry:through the covers on Instagram on one cover now they have Taylor Hale Ezra Sosa and Parvati Shallow Ezra Sosa Ezra is from Dancing with the Stars so they do Dancing with the Stars people but Like, I didn't feel like he was, like, the diamond of the season. Parvati Shallow is from Survivor.

1:20:16Claudia Oshry:We also have Kristen from Top Chef and Traders. She's the host of Top Chef, so, like, fine. And Brooks Marks? Oh, right. Brooks Marks. Brooks Question Marks. This list is turnt. Yeah.

1:20:28Jackie Oshry:I like the idea of the list. By the way, so they have Riley Burris, who's Candy Burris' daughter. and on Next Gen, I think also with Brooke. So Next Gen is a show that literally has three viewers and they have two people on this list.

1:20:40Claudia Oshry:The list is flawed. The premise is good. Ryan Serhant, I agree.

1:20:47Jackie Oshry:Stacey Rush, who is from Real Housewives of Potomac, and Kristen from Top Chef are on one. Then Whitney Carson and Amaya. Like, I don't understand Amaya. Oh, that's it. Okay. Yeah, poorly done. Honestly, I give it a three out of 10.

1:21:00Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but they were trying to do something.

1:21:02Jackie Oshry:how Brooks Marks and Andy Cohen are on the same list. Like, I just, I don't get it.

1:21:09Claudia Oshry:No, me neither. And they were really toggling between, like, Hall of Fame and this year. They're confused. Yeah, bad list. Try again. Try again next year. But they did, like, sexy cover shoots and. Yeah, no, it could have been great. Like, there are some legendary. There was budget.

1:21:25Jackie Oshry:Absolutely.

1:21:25Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Our next story, a trend that's happening. Pussycat Dolls are canceling their reunion tour in North America after taking an honest look at week ticket sales. So a couple of people have canceled and postponed tours this week. Pussycat. Post Malone. Post Malone. Post Malone by three weeks. And because he says he's like working on his new music. Just plan better. I believe that.

1:21:44Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I believe that though. Because it's clear when somebody's canceling for poor ticket sales or not. And Pussycat Dolls are obviously canceling because of poor ticket sales. I don't know who they thought. There is no like fandom.

1:21:56Claudia Oshry:No, there's not. And like the people who are like, like me, like we're at home. Like we're not just like taking in a concert, like for the fun of it right now. Like it's gotta be.

1:22:04Jackie Oshry:Meghan Trainor. Pitbull. Port ticket sales. I do think that like with outsized streaming numbers, TikTok, I think it leads a lot of people to thinking that they have more fans than they do. And it can be, I imagine like kind of confusing to book a tour these days because you could have like so many followers on TikTok, so many streams and sometimes it just doesn't translate.

1:22:26Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

1:22:27Jackie Oshry:there's not like a rule there's not an algorithm to follow that's going to help you figure out

1:22:31Claudia Oshry:how many people are going to show up yeah it's true so pussycat dolls uh were the latest to cancel their tour um i didn't even know that this was happening honestly i did because did

1:22:42Jackie Oshry:you see the viral video of nicole scherzinger no oh my god you will love this so she was asked a question it was kind of a pointed question i forget exactly what it was um on like a good morning type of oh here listen they asked her a question and she actually could not answer

1:23:01Claudia Oshry:um after they found out that you guys were coming back as a trio not as the oh yeah the other girls aren't coming back how did you arrive at that how did you arrive at that

1:23:09Jackie Oshry:decision well i mean listen we are just we are like we are so as women today i mean it has been

1:23:22Claudia Oshry:And the other girl chops it.

1:23:23Jackie Oshry:How fucking funny is that? Because there is drama with the other girls.

1:23:26Claudia Oshry:It's just like really cursed. And Nicole Scherzinger is like so successful right now in like very high-fro fields. Like what is she doing?

1:23:33Jackie Oshry:I know. I think maybe she thought it would be like a cash grab and then it had a completely opposite effect.

1:23:36Claudia Oshry:We just need to like let sleeping cats lie. Dolls lie. Yeah. Absolutely. So those are the stories. I love that. Those are the stories. Happy Met Tuesday. day. Hopefully tomorrow we'll have like more after party stories. Find out if like Sabrina fell in love.

1:23:54Jackie Oshry:Right. Yes. I need more after party looks and stories.

1:23:57Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So that'll be tomorrow like insider gossip. You know, hopefully DeMoximo's on the case.

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