JUST&T Married: Monday, July 6th, 2026

20:49Jackie Oshry:I can't remember a time where something has been kept. Like literally Kylie's pregnancy. Like that was the biggest secret ever kept. Yeah. But even by the end, people start to know. I mean, I imagine that this week like things will trickle out. When will the embargo lift? Like she has to share. She has to. I know. The whole world is so invested in this and like why not share? Well, so I think for so long, like, she had this very toxic relationship, like, between the public and her private life. And she felt, like, so strong that, like, nothing should be shared. And I think a lot of that was that Meshuggahna, Fabissina, Pudam, Joe Alwyn.

21:16Now that she's married to, like, someone normal and, like, happy, I think that they do want to share. And I think there will be a role out. Yeah. I don't think there'll be, like, a Vogue exclusive. You know, she always owns her. No, but you might, like, post, like, some videos. Everything will be, like, you know, with her stamp on it. Yeah. And I think she'll show not like, and I think she'll skip over the press and go straight to the public. Like her fans, people love her. People love her relationship. They've had so much like love and support throughout their courtship. Like, I don't know why she wouldn't share some of that.

21:43And it's not like it was like so small and intimate. It's like, this is, we're being private. Like Carolyn and John. Like it's a thousand people. Why not a million? Why not a billion? It's true. No, I do think we will get on her terms, on her platform. She will not be doing anything with like a media publication. Cause one, there's not a media publication that's big enough to, Unless it's like Disney Plus. Which I could see there being. Now we'll talk about the guest list. We don't really know what went on inside. A couple of things are being said. They said that she walked down the aisle to a instrumental version of Love Story.

22:13They gave out like a lot of stuff. I heard Cartier watches. I heard at the rehearsal dinner the night before, which was also at Madison Square Garden. They gave out like these boxes. And inside there were these like custom handkerchiefs. I saw one is being sold on eBay, which is like crazy. As far as like breaches of trust. that's really the only thing I've seen. Anything else is like paparazzi hounding like random family members who don't know not to talk to the press. I saw this woman like. Everyone's scared. No, but I saw this woman who was like so sweet and she didn't breach any trust but she was like, it was just so beautiful.

22:43They know who to go for. They're not asking Gigi. Yeah. They're asking random Aunt Carol from Cleveland. No, but everybody is like speaking on it. They're not saying I can't say. Everybody's really saying the same thing. It was so beautiful. It was so big but it felt so intimate. The love was so lovely. They had 20 minute vows to each other at the rehearsal dinner the night before also at Madison Square Garden. Lena Dunham made a speech. Lena Dunham made a speech. She made a joke about football. I heard it was quite divisive. Well received. She says football is like reenacting gay porn. Yeah. I think people laughed.

23:09That was what was reported that there was laughter. That's my queen right there. Travis and Taylor sang a rock song together. There was like karaoke at the after party. No, I heard that at the rehearsal dinner. Oh, rehearsal. You're right. They sang a song together. The performers at the wedding were Paul McCartney and Stevie Nicks. As reported. Right? As reported. Right? I don't think. We knew Stevie Nicks. I think like as reported that day. No, no. We knew Stevie Nicks, so we didn't. Yeah, I think Ben and I talked about it when you were out. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, because Ben and I were saying if we had all the money in the world and I died and Ben got remarried to like an heiress.

23:40Oh, and who would you have performed? Yeah. So we were talking about it, yeah. Right. Other things that I've heard just like rumblings is that like because there were so many people and a lot of them were famous, some of them were not, there were like staggered arrivals. Like the less famous people were told to come at like three o 'clock. It's like the Met Gala. It's really like the Met Gala. Yeah. I hadn't seen that, but that makes sense. Oh, also it was like a major heat wave. It was 100 degrees. Correct. The mayor was asking everyone to set their thermosets at 78 degrees. Meanwhile, Madison Square Garden is the Arctic.

24:10That's a little funny. Not to be like one of those people, but like that's a little weird. Well, so I believe they did a lot to offset any potential feedback, negative feedback, you know, because they did use a lot of city resources. They shut down a lot of streets, a huge police presence. It's just a little awkward. yeah it's a little hunger games like it's only a little hunger games because we got a commie mayor right right and he's telling everyone 78 degrees and you know it wasn't 78 degrees in madison square garden they're they're gonna break the grid yeah but yeah i do think they you know they did their 26 million dollar donation to various charities throughout new york city you know cancer research hunger poverty yeah they did it in cleveland too they were trying to offset you know the billionaire um eat the rich yeah sort of narrative which i think is a great move oh 100 You can't be mad at someone who donates to Memorial Sloan Kettering.

24:56Okay, I'll have a lot of$100 million weddings if that also means we get$26 million to charitable causes. Correct. And I think that a lot of people were mad that police resources were being used.

25:05Jackie Oshry:But I don't know, shit happens at Madison Square Garden all the time. That's the police's job. Yeah. I wasn't so mad about that. I wasn't. I mean, I'm not mad about anything. I'm just saying the optics are just a little inconvenient that it was a heat wave. She made big donations to a lot of NYPD-adjacent organizations that help fallen families. So she covered all her bases. She really did. Yeah, nothing's going to bring her down. Let's talk about TNT, which is like kind of the byline that everyone was given. Like, I feel like people were allowed to post like their outfits and stuff like a day later because everybody posted at the same time.

25:37And it was like, it's a love story. Everyone had the same caption. It was like TNT. Literally nobody wrote Taylor and Travis. Everyone wrote TNT. And then the big billboards after the ceremony, which... What in the word art was that? What in the AT &T sponsorship? I thought it was a commercial. I thought AT &T owns that billboard and that they made this little thing. No, AT &T was like their thing. I understand. The new hashtag. And I just want to say, like, I don't think it's good. What was the font? What was the color? Yeah, it was very word art. It was shocking. It was shocking. And it was pink, so I really thought it was like T-Mobile.

26:09They could have had like a beautiful like script font, something that looks like a wedding invitation. That actually was like a little Hunger Games, like letting the public know that we've been married. I loved it but I could see how like a true like commie would hate it um but I loved it I just I like the it's fun that they're like letting everyone know even though they're not giving us anything but like what was that image no and I think the slogan itself was bad too like just married just TNT married yeah I didn't like TNT like being the thing I'm fine with TNT just to T like I didn't like just TNT married oh Adam Sandler um officiated officiated people are having a field day like I'm on like the truly mentally ill side of Twitter um so people are like she had a Zionist like yeah she did um I kind of love that yeah she did yeah she did that's my girl right there um I think that she probably uh like when you think of who could have officiated I never would have guessed Adam Sandler but it's a perfect choice no I can't even say it's a perfect choice like never would have guessed it it's honestly a strange choice there must oh I disagree there

27:10Claudia Oshry:must be more to their three's relationship no I think that individually they both have really good relationships with him like he and taylor have been like longtime friends like the girls i think um his daughters when they were young like loved taylor and she's always like you know invited them i think that's insane i i think i just want to say i like it so much i haven't like it's like how chris jenner does weddings mostly and i think that that's like crazy but i also think it's a little crazy when people have like their friends officiate weddings in general not like just singling out taylor and travis like i don't think they have a spiritual leader like in their life i think they should look for one wow i think they should i think that's like an important thing.

27:43I think it's perfect. To have like some sort of just like a like non-personality figure in your life that's like I don't know but I'm not saying it's them and Adam Sandler is my issue. I think in general like even when Carl married Kyle and Amanda I'm like right well that's not like sweet. No people do it. I actually I don't. It's not my favorite. When we were talking about the wedding for like months never once said I think who's gonna officiate it. I don't know why like she's gonna officiate. Yeah like I don't know like I never when you're talking about colors it'll be I never thought of who was going to initiate it.

28:13And you know, when I found out it was Adam Sandler, I actually thought it was perfect. Like, I think that they both have individual, like, friendships and relationships with him. I think they've actually all gotten even more close since that, like, Taylor and Travis got together. And I think it's perfect. And he is this sort of, like, I know everyone's, like, hates him because he's Jewish. But, like, he is this sort of, like, beloved, non-controversial figure. Yeah. I like it. I don't, I dislike the concept. but as far as like choosing someone within the concept is he's a good choice you have to be careful because Taylor has done like so many things with people who she doesn't talk to anymore and when we'll talk about the guest list we'll talk about you know the people who are missing but I think that like I can't see a world in which you ever really like have beef with Adam Sandler so it's sort of a safe choice in the sense that like it's not going to be like we look back on these pictures 10 years from now and it's like oh it's great but Adam Sandler we're not friends with him anymore I think he's very unoffensive no it should have been like Jay Shetty he married Ben and Jay He doesn't have a great track record in terms of divorces.

29:08Like a serious individual. Yeah. That's just what I'm looking for. But not to make it about me and my preferences. I'm just saying that's the vibe I like. Let's talk about the guest list. So it was everyone in Hollywood except for Blake Lively. Blake Lively, Kelly Teller, the Kardashians, and Justin Bieber. Yeah, like the Kardashians circle, which includes the Biebers. We knew. The other front. Yeah, it's true. There's two major parties, like Republican and Democrats in Hollywood. it it's the Taylor adjacents and the Kardashian adjacents the whole Scooter Braun but that's what's crazy is that Karlie Kloss is like very much a part of that party like connections wise like she is more connected to the Kardashian when I saw her leaving her house in a gown I actually choked then it was rumored that like she got dressed up and left so she people would think that she was at the wedding but she actually wasn't her makeup artist then you know started posting like TNT TNT to like let everyone know she wasn't back there when I tell you I was shook I think that's so nice that she was there I think weddings even if you've like fallen out of touch with people and the the the prevailing narrative is that like Taylor felt like Carly was like telling stuff about her and her business to Scooter yeah uh the only real proof is like Ashley Avignon who's Taylor's like best friend this like stylist girly who's like always with Taylor when the breakup between Carly Kloss was like people were suspicious of stuff she was liking tweets that implied that Carly was sharing stuff about Taylor's personal and professional life with Scooter Braun.

30:34Okay so that's like new news to me and if that's the case then like of course cut out. When the words of a sister come back and whispers that proves she was not. There's a lot about like. For me like Taylor and Carly it's gay lore. No it's really not. Okay so you don't believe gay lore? I don't believe gay lore. Dress? I don't believe gay lore. I don't. You don't believe Gaylord. No, I don't. Okay. Because if it's Gaylord, then I think it's really nice that she was invited. Because it's like this person that like you love. And I do think for your wedding, it's like, okay, even if we're not as close as we once were, like come and celebrate me.

31:07Like all your friends. Yeah. Unless you have betrayed me. Correct. Like, yeah, even though we're not close, we've fallen off a little bit. She was in the stands for reputation though. I know.

31:17Jackie Oshry:That's where it's like their relationship has never really revitalized since that whole era where they were best friends on the cover of Oak. Then they went silent. Do you understand how insane? I know. I didn't even realize the degree of their friendship until. And it's actually so odd. Yeah, agreed. It's so odd. And it's the same with Blake Lively. Blake Lively was there every minute at every game while she was with Travis. It's such a core part of her relationship. The fact that she wasn't invited. Blake obviously murdered someone. I know. Something so big happened. Especially because Carly was there.

31:47Something so big happened because how the godmother of your children are not invited to the wedding. I was holding out hope like I know everyone and I was wrong because I really thought that like maybe the Baldoni thing made it a little weird and there was like a bump in there but I do my dragon but I do like that that it was as bad yeah I didn't think likes her friends canceled good thing she likes her right that made people think that like her and Taylor were still strong her and Blake and like all of this was just press and I really did think like I was getting blown up in the press and maybe they were taking some time apart but not being at the wedding like is final because even people like carly claus who maybe she's had iffy whatever bumps in the road i couldn't believe that she wasn't there even people like a random person off the street was invited yeah so i do also want to talk about like the randomness of a lot of it i'm sorry like you can't tell me her and jessica alba are friends you cannot tell me her and j-lo are friends you cannot tell me her and millie bobby brown are friends you cannot tell me that her and uh jessica chastain are friends there are people who went to the aero store like in the vip tents who were at the wedding.

32:49Like, the VIP tent was, like, very loose, you know? It's like you were a celebrity of a certain level, like, you got invited to the tent. Yeah. And it just feels like...

32:56Claudia Oshry:And who's Bita Bobi and Jake Erland? Who are these people? Well, so a lot of, let me say, a lot of sports people... He doesn't look like an athlete. Oh, let me see, okay. So, I know, we can pin all the athletes. Oh, no, no. Like, who is that? No, I don't know. I can't believe Becca Tate was there. Bita Bobi was there, and Blake Lively wasn't invited. The godmother of the children, in the songs he met. It's insane. No, it's insane. I'm sorry, her and Mary Morris are not friends. At this rate, they need to arrest Blake Lively because she's obviously killed someone. It's true. It was such a loose guest list for her best, best, best.

33:28She's hit every suite, every box with Taylor when she was with Travis. So it's not just like, oh, you're my friend from back then in my 20s when I was single and you're not getting an invite. You were a core part of the courtship. Also, I don't want to complain because these are my two queens, but why the hell was Miranda Lambert there? Like, I loved that little country cohort, little big town, which I understand. Like, they have. You can, like, forgive them. You can overly forgive them. Yeah, I'm over that. Kelsey Ballerini, Mary Mars. I thought both of them, like, were not friends. No, Kelsey is.

33:54No, Kelsey in an interview, like, somewhat recently was asked, because she, like, hosted SNL with Travis. She's like, you know, Taylor and I were really close for a really long time. It was, like, kind of a shady interview. And I was like, oh, we're. She would never. She would never be shady to talk. I'm saying she said that. Well, then she said it was a slip. She would never. Brad Paisley. like a big country cohort and they all went together in a sprinter van like that was really cute i love that yeah i'm scrolling through this article oh brad pitt like question mark yeah but was he nesda ramon there i don't think she was he left with beck yeah he's in a car with like a bunch of randos bradley cooper of course oh camilla cabello that wasn't like a nice confirmation that they're still friends because they were thick as thieves they were but that's like you know my friend from my 20s that we're not so close with but like i love her and this is the celebrate our love who am i about to say it's the perfect example of like the looseness

34:36Claudia Oshry:the chain smokers oh no travis loves them you have to remember that travis got to invite people too i forgot he was there yeah the chicks the chicks you know yeah yeah um i don't know these people oh a lot of her dancers bandmates people who have worked with them for her of course chris stapleton i didn't know he was there okay cindy crawford and kaya gerber cindy crawford cindy crawford conan maybe that's a travis one i can't know but she goes on the show like that's the work invite dakota johnson i don't know if i knew that her and taylor were friends question

35:10Jackie Oshry:mark um it's not confirmed whether beyonce and jay-z were there but like they landed in new york

35:16Claudia Oshry:that day or the day before jay-z was at the white party right which was two days before of course ed sheeran was there elizabeth banks question mark it's the hunger game so of course she had to be of course of course ellie golding but she didn't perform emma stone we know eric

35:32Jackie Oshry:stone street which i thought was really random but he's like a core part of kansas city culture so I actually think that's more of a Travis thing. Ethan Hawke, question mark. Okay, wait, sorry. Fergie. That's your favorite one. Because that is truly like the essence of the randomness. Yeah. Dita Von Teese. But no Blake Lively. But no Blake Lively. And Kelly Teller. Oh, but you're, oh. She's out on her ear. Oh, Kelly Teller. Yeah, that was glaring. It's so crazy that she was her date for the Golden Globes and doesn't get an invite to the thousand person wedding. Which was one year later, like literally.

35:59What did you do? What did you do? Lots of, you know, wags. We know George Kittle and Claire. Of course. The use checks. Matthew Stafford Matthew Stafford lots of NFL people Andy Reid of course Gronk and Camille Patrick and Brittany Mike Vrabel and his wife Mike Vrabel went not with Diana with his wife Aaron Andrews and then all the hosts of GMA and then the next morning they went on and talked about how you know it was such an intimate but like why all the hosts of GMA gotta be there why George

36:26Jackie Oshry:you know what time I got a manicure next to George I don't know oh Gracie Abrams oh Gracie Hunt She owns the Chiefs. Her family does. I don't know if, like, I think it's her dad. She personally runs the team. Gracie McGraw, Tim's daughter. Okay. But no Blake Lively. I don't recognize a lot of these people, so I am skipping through them. But none for Blake Lively. Heidi Gardner of SNL fame. Yeah, also, like, Marcello. A lot of SNLs were there. Ice Spice, as expected. Hugh Grant, random. Jack Antonoff, without Margaret Quailey. Yeah, people are saying. Zoe Kravitz, without Harry. People are saying there's beef between Margaret and Taylor.

37:03That's weird. Yeah, but she can't lose Jack, so she'll make it work. Jan Ravnik of Dancing with the Stars game. And Harry Styles had a show. That's why he wasn't there. Jason Sudeikis. I guess it's good Harry Styles wasn't there. Jason Sudeikis, like, fine. Weird. Affable celebrity. J-Lo. I just want to say. Happy for her. J-Lo's my new queen ever since I saw Office Romance, the best movie ever. And I love this. I need a collab. Collab when? As the kids say. Oh, Jenny Han. She's the author to All the Boys I Love Before. Oh, well, Taylor worked with her on the music for the show. I mean she wrote the books Taylor worked with Amazon She's a co-worker And it's like not Taylor Like Tree She's a co-worker

37:38Jackie Oshry:Yeah That's a co-worker A big group of the dancers From the Aero Store We know them from the documentary Jessica Alba Jessica Chastain Jamie Oliver Who's that? That's like a chef right? I think so She's a foodie Oh Joey King Which we know that they're friends Oh the Lautners weren't there But people are speculating It's because she's pregnant And maybe not traveling She's not there yet She announced like two months ago You never know You never know They were definitely invited right? They were in there. Yes. They were definitely. Oh Joseph Kahn. You know he used to go for music videos before she did them for herself.

38:08And she's like he's always on Twitter like defending her about random stuff. Oh Julian Edelman was there? Athlete. Oh Gronk and Camille. Mm-hmm. This list is so long. If there's not like one shit off from this wedding. Like if Sabrina Carpenter didn't find a goddamn boyfriend. There was like no pictures of Sabrina. But she was there. Yeah. But there was no pictures. There was a picture of her like in a car like with a veil. But I'm sorry. Like Breener. And I just want to say Carly Closs looked insane. Like, that's what you dressed to your exes. And she also wore gold, which, like, people do speculate that the gay lores, I'm not speaking as one of them, when they decode lyrics, a lot of it is, like, golden.

38:44Oh, really? Yeah. Because Taylor uses a lot of colors. When she's talking about blue, she's talking about Joe Alway because he was, like, always depressed. But also Harry Styles in the blue dress on the boat. No, no. I'm talking about, like, that's very literal blue. When she's talking about, like, you know, in peace, she says, you know, your blue days or whatever. Like when she's using colors, like he's blue. Gold is speculative to be Carly. But gold is also Joe for the good times. Daylight. Oh, Kaylin Sanders, who's the dancer's brother who plays on the Chiefs. Yeah. Little big town. Oh, King Princess and Suki Waterhouse without Robert Pattinson.

39:19And Suki had to see Bradley. Suki had to see Bradley. Ugh, I'm sick for her. And she didn't have Rob with her because he's doing press for the Odyssey. important important work laura durden lena dunham liam hemsworth and gabriella brooks his fiancee who used to date maddie healy even though i'm team miley but fine i'm team miley too maryn morris oh mariska hargitay well of course they're best friends but i didn't see any pictures of her and the cat yeah but i didn't see any pictures of her until this people magazine article which is doing a fabulous job magazine wrote up every single person who was there whether you know them or not erin andrews of course so many athletes oh machine gun that's interesting yeah michael strahan millie bobby brown miranda lambert my queen so random oh pat mcafee niecy nash nikki glazer happy for her after all her trying and she i feel like she officially redeemed herself during the eras tour during that like awkward you know um miss americana miss americana oh pat monaghan the lead singer of train that's really cute

40:23Jackie Oshry:Patrick and Brittany Mahomes Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy fame Peyton Manning Oh yeah all the greats when it comes to sports Phoebe Denever so random

40:33Claudia Oshry:Yeah with Cameron Fuller Yes Reese Witherspoon Of course That's really crazy She did Crawdads Rob Riggle He's like sports He's like Adam Sandler Ronan Farrow Let's find the connection It's there he's artsy like he's you know they definitely have a you know artsy sasha baron cohen oh happy

41:00Jackie Oshry:for him me too selena gobez and benny blanco seth myers simone biles somber of course steven colbert steven spielberg and his whole family the hunts tate mccray question mark she's very much like on the bieber kardashian side of hollywood so it's really um interesting that she was there yeah it is i feel like she goes to like random stuff she sort of acts like an influencer she sort of acts like talent for hire she sort of acts like not as like premium as she is tom brady tom hanks paul mccartney a tom hanks from toy story tommy hilfiger this is so crazy uzo aduba oh they're like og friends um oh vanessa and natalia bryant that's really cute wayne gretzky and zoe kravitz i finally got to the bottom of the list that's insane and no Blake Lively none for Blake Lively but what's funny is that Taylor when she went on Graham Norton or one of those shows she literally told us she was like it's gonna be a free-for-all you're all invited yeah because she said her logic was like I don't want to have a stressful wedding I think a lot of the stress comes from like editing a guest list and so everyone that I want to invite is invited and everyone is like echoing the same sentiments like it was so insanely beautiful they're so in love and that it was so intimate and you really felt like so close to everything even though it was so big and there were so many people there I need more like yeah Thanks for what we got.

42:16That's great. I need more. I need pictures. Somebody took one picture. Daily Mail has it. I actually can't believe they're married. Yeah, I know. It's like Taylor Swift, like the eternal romantic, is married. Like it's over. Yeah. And Elle the Josie, she has a million boyfriends. Well, now she has it. She has a husband. Yeah. It's really crazy. It's a huge win. And not to be like so toxic. Like hopefully she got pregnant on her wedding night. Because like the way I need like a nursery rhyme album, like something. Yeah, lullabies. Something. thing yeah i understand i agree well that's just tnt pictures of andrea well she was in there probably and like did taylor sleep in there no you know her car like the thing is is like she got a new car i don't know if you know about her car i saw the car leave her garage she has a new car it's like of course she has like these big suburbans or whatever but she got a new one because travis is so tall with like the ceiling lifted so whenever she leaves like people know it's her yeah they were probably in the they're probably not in that car honestly it's like too much of a hazard that everybody knows your car maybe it's like a decoy and they're just in like a suburban yeah but they would have like they had their rehearsal dinner at msg also yeah it would have been convenient to just sleep there no but her car was spotted like coming and leaving coming and leaving allegedly but you're saying that they shouldn't have been in there they shouldn't it's like too dangerous so maybe they're still at the garden maybe they live there now no but like all the staff like they're really there was one photo leaked and i think when you entered there was like this um pink tunnel like made of drapery with all these like gilded photos uh gilded frames with photos of them and people are obviously dissecting like every single one because there seems to be a picture of taylor travis and a white dog and that white dog was once spotted on taylor's like tarmac people are like whose dog is this people think maybe they have a dog which would be crazy from the cat lady but she could have both of course normalize having both 100 yeah i think

43:59Claudia Oshry:everybody is so scared to post of course say anything so that's why we don't i need to know who's selling the handkerchief on ebay like it could be crazy it could be a fake one it could be like i saw pictures of it so if i'm a seamstress why not sell one it says so it's gonna be forever now i've seen like a lot of rhetoric online and i told you i'm on like the truly mentally ill side of tiktok so people are like kind of freaking and like really commentating negatively on the fact that like so much of her music is like self-referenced is woven into the fabric she walked down the aisle to her song the handkerchief has her lyric but like that lyric is travis's lyric you know that's his favorite song yeah what do you think of like her referencing herself I mean she does it the best so what she should use a number two lyric because it's not hers and it's also like those are if she had written poems and like she was never a big singer or anything but she wanted to like that this is her feeling so it's like this is how she's always felt I actually think it's so beautiful and anybody should use it it's her and now like her singing love story at T.E.U.

44:51like and it's like I think if Travis married anyone like he would love for his bride to walk down the aisle to orchestral love story yeah loves love so so it's like no he shouldn't because it's hers yeah and then it's like well then she has to choose another artist and the politics of it all no but it's like why not the best if anybody should be using it it's her yeah she wrote those songs for herself i had no problem with it she wrote them for her it's her story yeah yeah okay well that's just tnt until further notice and until we get more information i need more information like not to be ungrateful like i'm so happy for you take your time i'm ungrateful like i'm happy to be ungrateful because we didn't get anything Yeah.

45:29Where do you think they're honeymooning? I heard the Bahamas. Oh, they do like that. Right. Yeah. I mean, their whole life is a honeymoon. I don't really think. They've been on a honeymoon for three years. I don't know if they need to, like, jet off immediately. I don't think it's like that. But I think they will. Taylor, you have to remember, like, this is our corny, choogy queen. Like, she's going to Sandals Resort. Like, she is.

45:48Claudia Oshry:Our next story, the other party of the weekend, Michael Rubin's white party, took place a couple days before July 4th, so that guests didn't have to choose between his party and Taylor. are so sweating which you know there's not really a choice to be had there actually there would have been people at his party but it was just there wasn't that much crossover by the way he did say he did confirm that like i think he did an interview or something with people he said he didn't want people to have to choose between his and the and the wedding and like just admit that like you didn't want to lose people because no one was going to chose to choose your party um i have such a hot take i feel like there was like a couple of years where like the white party was like like the level of taylor's wedding like the anticipation who was there there was two years they had two good years i feel like seriously it was actually a bad look to be there not to be like a jealous wench because like I was sitting at home with my flu like symptoms but I don't know it looked like really loser-y it did not look cool and I don't know why because it was the same as always I know it's always like a lot of athletes and it was the same you know caliber of party in terms of production and performances and celebrities yeah I wasn't moved by it it's just been done now like show me something new yeah and now we know who Michael Rubin is I feel like in the first few years it was like who's this guy like why is everyone at his house there was a lot of mystery a lot of intrigue Like now it's just like a bunch of people hanging out.

47:00I don't know. No, and it's like the groupings of people were so shocking, you know, last time we saw it. But like now we've seen it. We've seen all this. So like give us something new. Yeah. Like the most, for me, the most interesting attendant was like Alex Earl. Apparently she was with Tom Brady again. Yeah. Yeah, no, I've seen these pictures before. It could be any year. Yeah. So I didn't see a bunch of news except that like Tom Brady and Ice Spice seemed to be making out. But then they clarified that they were sharing a vape.

47:27Claudia Oshry:Alicia Keys performed oh Jake Paul and you to leardom were there which is exciting for us that is like the one new thing I feel like I saw oh I feel like he's was there every year like this seriously I'm so unmoved by this but maybe it's like my my bar has been raised with Taylor's wedding like there was just nothing besides Taylor's wedding that was gonna get me before Taylor's wedding like we saw these pictures I feel like I saw them last year and the year before I'm there's nothing new here yeah it just I don't know I'm I don't really like care you know yeah I agree I didn't see a lot of like news being made no me neither or any shit offs no Kim wasn't there usually she goes none of the Kardashians were yeah so if Kylie and Timothy were there like maybe I could muster up a fuck but no where were Kylie and Timothy this weekend where do you think they spent the fourth I feel like they were in Palm Springs like Khloe had her color run but I didn't see Kylie there I wonder where she was she's gone dark a little bit yeah it was a lot of public during the Knicks yeah no it was a lot Maybe they're just like relaxing.

48:26She loves Turks and Caicos. Maybe we'll get like a Knicks baby from them. You know, it's like an exciting time. I love that. Our next story. Switching gears. Actually, I'll do this next.

48:39Claudia Oshry:It's a two first. Some new couple news. Some rumored couple news because sources are saying Lindsay Hubbard was spotted with Matt James. As a source claims that they got flirty at a PR event. Yeah, I saw this. and I definitely it piqued my interest I don't like it I like it okay I think that why uh because I like it right I like this for Lindsay in terms of like I like her getting back out there I like her dating celebrities I think it's always good to like you know as a she's a she's a female celebrity like this is what you do and I like that she's like dating out of her show like yeah I don't know I get like a spooky vibe from Matt James I feel like he's not a good boyfriend Really?

49:23Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I mean, of course, we have to talk about the Rachel Cracon all of it all. Like, that was really weird, what he did. Now, I think, like, her going on Call Her Daddy and, like, you know, telling everyone what color his underwear was, like, that was more of a knock on her in my book. And I don't think she said anything like that crazy about him other than the fact that, like, he was, like, kind of, like, nuts about going to restaurants and taking pictures. Yeah. And that, like, she always chose the restaurant and it was, like, stressful. So much anxiety for her. It actually makes me uncomfortable to hear.

49:47No, and I think that, like, a lot of what she said about him was, like, more of a reflection on herself. Yes.

49:51Claudia Oshry:than him so like I don't think that she had securities that she had so crazy or bad because he was always like pick whatever I'm fine with whatever but she felt a lot of pressure to like deliver for him yeah that was crazy um but it all like it's so much deeper than that I don't know I can't talk about it at a surface level yeah no well you want to do a patreon deep dive I would love to except like I feel like when that episode came out like I really shared all your thoughts you were very honest so if you want to know like what I thought about it the episode is actually iconically titled Richelle Cracale Richelle Cracale and my thoughts have not changed same She had a very hard time in the relationship.

50:23Claudia Oshry:And I think it's a lot of other people's fault, including that. Yes. And her as well. Yeah. But like, I just felt like the world just like totally just fucking stomped on her. On him. On her. What do you mean? When she got canceled. Oh, I forgot about that. And that energy just never left their relationship. Yeah. And she never felt like on equal. She never felt like she was good enough. She was always punishing herself. Yeah. And she always just wanted to prove herself. and like she could have never come back from that. Yeah. The relationship was cursed. And he threw her under the bus and broke up with her.

50:55Absolutely. When she was like totally out there on her own. So also to say, like he doesn't give amazing boyfriend vibes. But all of the, no, but like it's so hard to judge him as a boyfriend

51:04Claudia Oshry:in that situation when they were doomed to fail. All right. And I actually think like everything that he's done since for Chael Kerkale. He's been relatively quiet. He's like loves Shabbat. He does. He goes to a lot of Shabbat dinners. And like that is like, you know. wholesome family man like i actually and she also has a daughter so like this isn't just dating like regular and so she is i'm trying to see how old he is 34 so he's not i think she's more like 38 or

51:31Jackie Oshry:nine but he's not a little boy no no no no so you're dating a woman first of all lindsey hubbard is a whole lot of woman let alone a woman with a daughter yeah it's not just like your regular old dating i do think this was probably like a fling or just a photo because there's just literally a photo of them at a bar there's people said that they were flirting they were with a group she's definitely flirty people from summer house love hanging out in groups yeah i i hope that there's some truth to it that they're at least exploring yeah i don't know i need lindsey to level up a little bit yeah i don't know maybe like a single dad you know i think like she's uh but that's so complicated too so blended or maybe a widow i think that she is like should be the star yeah you know what i mean well i don't think matt james is down for that like i think he is a star himself i guess but it's also hard for her to go for like a normal guy because like they

52:25Claudia Oshry:don't maybe want all of that like you know tv like that's what turner was yes right and that turned turned him off yeah and then the second part of the relationship news is the hat karamo brown from queer eye my god and jessie this should have been our first story and jessie Smollett are dating I have two things to say one match made in heaven like they just give the same sort of con man energy and I actually love it but don't you think opposites attract can there be two con men in a relationship it is also important to be competitive with one another mutual interests yeah there's a fine line of like I'm obsessed with this and I just want to say like Karamo has done so much precisely in his book talking about like the toxicity of the queer guys he made like a lot of accusations like thinly veiled you know like and i just think any goodwill he once had like is completely undone by this like i will never believe another thing he says he's actually dating like choosing to date a legitimate crazy person a known pathological liar like this is insane i'm obsessed i wish them nothing but the best like genuinely nothing but the best nothing but the worst a long long life and you want to know why like it's almost better that they get together and like not involve other people neutralize each other one thousand percent other innocent parties it's it's really beautiful to see i've been watching so much of island i keep saying like genuinely they're all genuine anaya is always like i fuck with you genuinely like i hate the word genuinely nobody uses it genuinely anymore and i've been saying a lot sincere sincere i hate the words sincere um so anyways they were spotted paparazzi and people are like oh they're dating and then i think he was on a podcast or some sort of like interview where he was asked about it he was very upfront yes i've met my person this is the love he said he's 100 sure that he's the one i could get emotional i've met my equal i could get emotional too like it's powerful when you meet someone who you feel 100 safe with you feel 100 secure with you can just trust with your heart because you know they are just a great human being and they get everything it's special it's pretty amazing we're not taking it slow we are deep in love but that's the reason why we are not public yet because we don't want comments we are protecting the level we have because i do believe this is going to be my husband i believe this is going to be my forever person i feel it every single day so juicy they don't argue has recently like returned i don't I don't know if you saw, he had this sort of like trailblazing performance at Pride Denver or something.

54:53He was on Special Forces. Oh, right, right, right. The performance was insane. He sung? Oh, yeah, he's a singer. And he danced. I highly recommend taking a look. It's one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen. It's historic. Claudia, just know you can trust him with your heart. That's what everyone says about Jesse, right? The most trustworthy guy. Yeah, that's kind of like the leading thing people say about him. Credibility 100. I'm obsessed with this. I actually couldn't have dreamed up a better story to discuss here on The Toast. Yeah. Love. I love, love. You love, love. I do.

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1:01:40Claudia Oshry:Our next story Ashley Tisdale's making her Toxic Moms TV show after igniting a debate with her celebrity mom group drama. So Ashley Tisdale's article for The Cut is now in development at Netflix with Ali Wong and Sabrina Jallies attached to the project. This is so crazy. It is described as a half hour comedy about a new mom who encounters a crew of rich mothers with a darker side. The series will be written by Jolly's, known for her work on mating season and search party. I just know like the Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore group chat is Chef Gabriella was popping off. Because the thing is, is that like.

1:02:15Here's the thing. This sounds like a great show. Oh, 100%.

1:02:18Claudia Oshry:Except for the fact that the article is like unworthy of a show like this. And I'm sure the show will be different from the article and the show will be good on its own. But like, and while I'll agree with the show, I don't agree with the article. I know. And it's just like she was acting like a victim when like all was said and done. I got the sense that like that was not the case. And so now she's and I just know like Mandy Moore and Hillary Duffer just so over this. And she's just dragging it out even more. But also the premise of the show doesn't sound like the article because this was about like they're all wealthy and they're all famous.

1:02:48Claudia Oshry:And actually she's more famous than some of the other no names in the group. She just like felt left out and like a loser because I think she is a loser. Or like it was that Rachel Corcoran thing. Sometimes you feel things and it's not what the person is doing. It's just a reflection of how you feel and your insecurities. Click's going to click. We're not trying to hurt you. It just hurts you. We all connected, and you did not connect with us. And you can't help who you connect with. And we're grown now. We're certainly not going to force it to protect your feelings when we also have kids that are running around.

1:03:15Claudia Oshry:Right. I'm just going to talk to you who I naturally want to talk to you, and it's not you. And it's not to hurt you. I'm just doing me. It just hurts you. I'm just doing me. So while this show sounds amazing, and I can't wait to watch it, like the fact that like she's now cashing in on this thing I guess like I'm happy for her because she like turned out to be such a loser in that situation like she wrote the article and it turned on her so badly like and she was getting such hate that like sure sell it whatever but I don't really have high hopes for a show that's starring Ashley Tisdale I just want to say also did you see a couple weeks ago she was talking about being Sharpay on High School Musical and how like they really did not want her for the part Disney like tried to not have her audition for the part they said you know she's on Suite Life and we're doing this movie and but everybody who's on the Disney shows gets to audition for the movies and the more the merrier and she really had to like fight for the audition and then like she eventually got it no what about it are you just sharing that or well that's like what the story was but you think that's what happened with the tv show like she'd only sell it if she could no i have like a really hot take oh my god let's fucking hear it like let's go i think like sharpay could have been played by someone else like oh i don't disagree i don't think she was like integral to the success of sharpay i completely she did it really well she She did a good job, but I could see why they weren't like, oh, you have to be Sharpay.

1:04:271 ,000%. That's not a hot take.

1:04:29Claudia Oshry:She was lucky to get the job, and she did a good job. High School Musical is like a hairspray where it's perfectly cast. Everyone is central to their character. And I just think someone else could have done it just as good that the movie would have been as successful. I don't feel that way about Troy Bolton. Do people think that it's perfectly cast? It doesn't come to mind. I feel like people think High School Musical is perfect. They don't think about it. Right. No, she was good. She saw the opportunity, and she took it, but it was a fun, easy role. Anyone could have done it. yeah and it's like a great character 1000 % but she didn't make the character greater the clothes and she didn't make the character any greater than it was written I don't disagree okay I'm glad you agree I like that our fifth and final story is Love Island wait what was the actual story there oh Ashley Tisselt the show it's gonna be a good show it sounds like an amazing show our

1:05:10Jackie Oshry:favorite kind of show I feel like somebody could have just like written a show inspired by the article not having to like adapt it formally and pay her to be in it I agree or just like write

1:05:18Claudia Oshry:the show separately from the article so it's gonna happen really quickly that like I don't know it gives really like not genuine from ashley tisdale also i feel bad that i just like trashed her in every way today i think i called her a loser i said anybody could have done the job that she did um i think she's like really a sensitive person and like i just don't that did come through in the article i just don't want any of this to hurt her because yeah we didn't mean to hurt you it just hurts you like i felt like i was like really hard on her and like are you having regret no it's just how i feel yeah i know it's just how i feel empath's gonna empath you know empath slash podcaster it's a hard walk I hope I hope she doesn't listen to this I hope nobody sends it to her yeah I hope today's episode flops even though we know it's not going to I just hope I don't think she's a toaster I just hope nobody sends it to her okay okay and I hope that like if you were gonna send it to her you made it this far and now you're not gonna send it to Ashley Tisdale like she's sensitive yeah but I'm gonna watch your show and you share the producer credit yep cha-ching cha-ching Ashley Tisdale laugh all the way to the bank Ashley Tisdale you're gonna do really well with this even you know and everyone's talking about you okay how great is that how great I love when that happens and I think she has a brand and from what I've seen she has like a Frenchie Frenchie yeah like a hair and I something from what I've seen of that like it looks like a good complete brand that's great so she has a lot of founder a CEO female founder yeah um she should go on confessions of a female founder she's like season two coming let's dive into love island we have two episodes to recap Friday night was a recoupling and then weirdly they sent home another couple on Sunday night things are starting to progress because total we've now lost six people they're obviously like thinning out for the finals because the finals is four people seven people three oh plus Jen who could forget so let's talk about the recoupling on Friday night not very surprising what I was we didn't talk about movie night we didn't oh me and Ben did no movie night happened on our way here did it because I remember everyone was like how are you guys not going to talk about movie I mean it was amazing But the thing with this season in particular is that, like, I never get a feeling of gratification.

1:07:18Because, yes, I was waiting for movie night. Nothing really has changed. Melanie is going to get back with Sincere. So, like, yeah, it was nice for everyone to see that there's an actual crazy sociopath in the villa. And the only person who seems impacted by it is Corbin. Like, so it was gratifying, yes. But when everything shakes out, like, these people are not smart. And I'm sorry to be, like, a woman hater. But, like, the women in this villa are weak. They are terrible at giving advice to one another. And I'm sorry, like Anaya's the leader of the pack and giving bad advice. And everyone just doesn't make good decisions for themselves.

1:07:49And that's why this whole week was so frustrating because I feel like it was actually a window into Corbin and Parmita being the only people with good heads on their shoulders. When Parmita was like, I'm voting for you, Melanie, to help you. Your best friend and I, I'm team sincere. Like Parmita's like randomly the only one who actually sees what's going on here.

1:08:06Claudia Oshry:And like calling it a toxic relationship, that's exactly what it is. when sincere said this isn't a toxic there's been toxic moments but it's not a toxic relationship and then ian made fun of him like that was really important to me i feel like ian's one of the few people that like i can trust here not only are the girls so infuriating but america is so infuriating because america loves the group more and like they're gonna keep voting them through even though they're actually like not that fantastic fabulous and their relationships stink but like they're gonna keep voting those four girls through because they like the four girls and that's why i'm so i wouldn't mind watching a bunch of people be dumb fine but if we could put them in their place every week with the votes.

1:08:40Claudia Oshry:With the vote? Yeah. No, it's a blind leading the blind. And the fact that - And that's why Corbin and Parmita, I'm sorry, I randomly like started standing them just in time for them to go home. It was actually nice to see two people like stand on fucking business. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm voting for you, Sincere, because I realize you're a crazy person. Yeah. And then Parmita said, I'm voting for you, Melanie, because I'm actually worried about you. Like, girls, girl, girls supporting girls, girls, girl. Oh, there is somebody who actually is doing something good for Melanie. While everyone else, when fucking Anaya was like, you know I'm team sincere what and how does the people who watch this show not want Melanie and sincere to break up he's a horrible terrible there's no way they got votes there's no fucking way they got more votes than Kate and Zach and so no so like if you want Melanie and sincere to break up which we should all want because they're a terrible toxic couple and he's a terrible terrible guy then how is Anaya your fave when she's saying I'm team sincere and her having these like one-on-one chats with sincere like coaching him through like she's a bad friend movie night was insane the fact that everybody like screamed at casey when they saw what he didn't you know what all those like nasty comments and disrespectful he needed to be aired out for that but the fact that no one even said anything after there was nothing to say after sincere's clips like melanie didn't even yell at him the girls where's anaya with all that mad energy where's trinity because they were stunned into silence that's how terrible but now his thing was and then now nothing's going to change like the shock has worn off it's over but when people are like how did Casey get voted as an eligible how did sincere if you are mad at Casey for what Casey did which you're I'm not but you're fine to be that's fine how are you not 100 times madder at sincere I just want to say like and this is the thing people have been disagreeing with me like when me and Ben recap they were like hating our takes like oh and everybody has our love island takes our our bad I know you guys.

1:10:27You guys need help. I don't hate Casey. Like he definitely is not faultless. And he says a lot of really fucked up things. And he could have probably handled the Anaya thing better. But like Anaya's not blameless. I don't think Casey's that bad of a guy. And I'm sorry. After last night's episode I ship him and Titi so hard. Sorry. They are cute. I think that he just actually never really liked Anaya that much. And there's no good way to handle that. To say that to someone. And she did really like him. So it's just a bad situation to be in. He's obviously immature. He's not emotionally intelligent.

1:10:54But like you see how different he is in a relationship with a girl that he likes. of course there is just not enough hate for sincere no in the villa on twitter there's not there's not and it's very frustrating to watch Melanie like I'm sorry her like sleeping with her ass out like I lost it I'm like oh we are dumb we are dumb it's very hard to watch people be so dumb yeah it just is and so I'm getting frustrated now especially because I feel like we actually made a little bit of progress in two episodes ago on Friday night during the ceremony I thought everyone was just gonna vote for Amora and Gall and then Jaden and Caleb.

1:11:28And like while they did, a lot of other conversations were had about Kenzie and Dylan, which should be had, and Melanie and Sincere. So I was actually pleasantly surprised with the results of that, even though they ended up, and yeah, the stragglers had to go, but it's like every time someone new comes in here, they stand no chance. Yeah. The whole OG villager toxicity thing is so annoying and it makes the show so boring to watch because nothing ever really happens because the original Islanders just always vote for each other and they always save each other. And it's like, yeah, America can do this, but at the end of the day -

1:11:55Claudia Oshry:that much more interesting than the bombshells not that much more beautiful than the bombshells so i don't know why like no one else gets to stay and we get still stuck with these same eight people over again the only we've had one group of bombshells and now they have all left the only originals that have left are bea and sean before any bombshells ever came so like somebody had to

1:12:12Jackie Oshry:go from the originals yeah there were no bombshells the season's pretty much over this week right so we've had one group of bombshells oh i guess kata kata and gabe but so early one group of bombshells and then casa gave a bombshell yeah with kata corbin was bombshell but he's gone caleb's gone soul gone jen gone i'm sorry i like jen i like jen she was and you could tell the whole she was kind of interesting like she was she's a good personality and i think she got like no airtime because there was like truly nobody there for her yeah i hate that girl i was so happy to see him go oh my god so happy to see him go but i want to also talk about karaoke night because that was the first challenge we've had in a really long time and it was the first challenge that wasn't pornographic it was so wholesome I was cracking up I like I felt more during that one challenge than I have felt during all challenges combined and I know they're only doing it now because everyone's pretty much coupled up so we can't be like fucking but now make it interesting

1:12:59Claudia Oshry:now yes porno yeah now I want a porno I want to see who's going to twerk on whose man who's holding out a candle for who's taking the opportunity kids who now it's interesting now that we've got some skin in the game it's true but like I would love them to sprinkle in more moments like this karaoke challenge it was so funny and and the couples did bond and even though it was definitely a cheat that Kenzie and Dylan got to stay but I was glad that there was that sort of shake-up I do think it speaks to a bit of a compatibility if you can put together a routine if you can if you can execute and so I think that they did deserve a real reward agreed for doing a good job and their thing was so cute Kenzie finally got to perform with her splits she has a lovely voice Dylan was right there with her and they are cute together and they are they deserve to not go home agreed but Parmita and Corbin did not deserve to go home last night but who but but actually who should have gone home like kate and zach no uh melanie and sincere or anaya and carl because i am ready to talk let's talk about anaya and carl and the fact that carl came back from casa makes me sick every she never does not deserve it everyone have to like deal with the consequences of their actions except for anaya she does not deserve him she did not deserve him oh my god i know and i just want to also say like everyone's obsessed with carl like I'm not I'm not because they're obsessed with Anaya and I'm not obsessed with Anaya and Anaya is the new Amaya they think she's been wronged and so anything she says they're gonna vote for her they love her couple they're gonna vote for her even though he's like a random guy no they're not even compatible they're a bad couple it's so unfair that he got to come back I agree and that she never not even vulnerable and single she made a bad decision she made a and she should have like she risked her time on the island that's like when Alandria got dumped and then bringing back Jalen Oh, yeah.

1:14:43Claudia Oshry:But they put her with Nick. They did save Alandria, but you know what? I think she deserved it. She didn't have a live feed into what Taylor was doing in Casa. Right. She had no idea that he was disrespecting her. Exactly. She got a postcard also. Anaya got a postcard of him sitting at the pool kissing T-Tate in the middle of the day. That's what you do with someone that you're really into. Alandria never got any of that. It's true. She was blindsided. And Alandria only got sent home and saved by Nick because they had to couple up in Casa. And whoever wasn't chosen by a guy from Casa who they didn't even know yet.

1:15:10Claudia Oshry:and they didn't choose Alandria. So like she didn't deserve to go home in that moment. Agreed. Anaya risked her time on the island for KC and she should have had to deal with the consequences. 1000%. It makes, it's so unfair. It's so unfair. I totally agree. And I just don't like them as a couple either. So like I'm not even excited. And it's crazy. Like she obviously didn't like him enough to choose him. Oh, I wanted them to bring back Ronnie. For him to be butt hurt. Not Ronnie. Corey. Corey. But apparently Corey has like weird intentions since he's got off the show. Like he wasn't good on After Son and people like, people think he's like full of shit too.

1:15:40I know, but I really wanted something thrown in the melody. By the way, I would never forgive you if you eliminated me for like. Of course. So like, how does he sleep at night? Like, where's his dignity? Oh, Brittany had sex. It's insane that there's no hideaway. What is going on in this show? No dates. No dates. One date. One hideaway. One group of bombshells. Yeah. Insane. Yeah.

1:16:03Claudia Oshry:Such a bad season. It makes me so mad and like, not in a way that like, oh, you're getting me talking about the show on Passionate. Like, I actually feel so much hatred. Me too. Towards the producer. I'm ready for the season to be done. Towards the cast. Towards the people who watch because every time America gets a chance to vote, they fuck it up. The fact that Parmedia and Corbin and Kata and Zach were the bottom. Kata and Zach are compatible. I know like people don't like Zach. They have their issues. But I also feel like they are a very happy couple. I think that every worst moment of Zach's we have seen on the show.

1:16:27Claudia Oshry:They don't do anything to like make him look better. But everybody. Yes, I agree. All the guys in the villa love him. Him and Kata are together all day. They lay around all day talking, laughing, having fun. No, they are into each other. She definitely like doesn't punish him enough for the things that he does wrong. But I don't think anything that he's done that she should have ended the relationship over. Like he went to casa and he explored a little too enthusiastically. And he didn't share that Alana took herself home. Yeah. I'm holding, I don't know why, but I do feel like he was asked if he was going to bring her back.

1:16:56Claudia Oshry:And he did, I feel like he chose before she went home. Yeah. No, I agree. But the withholding information makes you look like a liar. Yeah. So I feel like they did this big Casa Moore shakeup to like save the season. And I had hope. And now that it's all said and done, we've had two recouplings since Casa Moore. Like I feel like it was all for nothing. And I do feel like I hate this season. Like I hate all the people there. There's not one person I like. Yeah. I mean, Kenzie's just a mess. The girls, like both Kenzie and Melanie, that was a good conversation between the two of them. But like individually, I feel like she always looks like she's going to throw up.

1:17:28Melanie's like lost so much weight. Like she's always looked like she's on the verge of tears. Like this is seriously abuse.

1:17:32Claudia Oshry:Yeah. no she's seriously a shell of herself i think that after the challenge like she had a happy moment with sincere which she hasn't had in three weeks since literally the time that they opened the doors for each other and that's really it's been downhill ever since um and the fact that her friends are like gassing her up kata to stay with him the blind leading the blind they're so dumb and then it just makes me so mad that like america will vote for these girls no matter what no matter how bad of friends they are how bad examples they set for women like yes i was thinking this last I know this is a big statement to say, but I feel as though the women cast on this season of Love Island are bad for women.

1:18:07And I think it all starts with Anaya. I actually think it all starts, let me think, it kind of starts with Melanie. They're all such big fucking talkers. Like, are you going to treat me like this? Meanwhile, they're all getting walked over like doormats. K to two, sorry. They all talk such a big talk. The villa's going to shake. Meanwhile, not one of them has made one good decision. Not one of them has stood up in themselves. there is not one ounce of self-respect to be had in this entire i would say no trinity is an example yes to women and all but the thing is trinity laid into casey right like laid into him at the movie night and didn't have one word to say to sincere so then i'm like but i think they were at that point like all following melanie's lead i think that she thought it was more powerful to not say anything than like to lace into him it would have made him like all right i got laced into now we can move on but the fact like nobody even said anything i didn't even have such a problem with that um but it was the way that energy was left at movie night and they all really i

1:18:59Claudia Oshry:I understand why Melanie had nothing to say. She's heartbroken. Like she's embarrassed. Like there's literally, there's nothing that sincere can respond to make it better. So why say anything? But that her friends didn't ride for her. I would have literally said, sincere, you are an actual crazy person. Like we are living in a villa with a sociopath. Watching everyone. We should vote you out. I'm afraid. Watching everyone like put together. Corbin. That the person that they are living, that's scary to live with a crazy. Sleep next to. Yeah. Liar. Liar. so that is a knock in trinity's other than that you know she she's our winner well in her relationship she's a good friend she's like fun she's funny she wears good outfits like she's a winner she's all around villa islander but like why would america vote that anaya and carl are compatible they had a couple good conversations about volleyball and then she said and then she sent him home she sent him home they had a couple good conversations about volleyball and then she sent him home why are they more compatible than parmita and corbin people just get on a bandwagon and that's exactly what happened last season with Amaya.

1:19:59That's why I hate this show as well. I know. It's such groupthink. Honestly. And here we are, like, independent thinkers. We need to. And next year, you guys will be like, oh, you were right about Anaya and Carl, but, like, we got hate last year for, like, not dying over Amaya and Brian. We need to lose the right to vote. 100%. Because it messes with the show even further. Yeah, but, like, the producers like that, and it makes, like, people watch, and you get emotionally invested because, like, your vote means something, like American Idol back in the day.

1:20:22Claudia Oshry:Not if Melanie and since, if you voted that, because the way the vote went was who's the most compatible couple. It wasn't like rank them and it wasn't who's the least compatible couple because we would have had a different response. They do that intentionally, by the way. Right, of course. But that means that a lot of people voted that Melanie and Sincere are the most compatible couple on the island. More than Trinity and Bryce even. More than Kate and Zach. You need your head checked. 1 ,000%. Also, it looks like tonight and like the following episodes, Kate begins to crash out because I think that her and Zach, while they've had their bumps, they are kind of like the Ace and Shelly.

1:20:54They're like the police of the, they police the group and they think that they're like the most well-liked. And they've kind of been together the longest more than anyone. They're the only ones who've been to the hideaway. So they consider themselves the number one guys in this group. I think they thought that they were winning. So for them to like go from that to being dead last with Corbin and Parnita, it's going to freak them out.

1:21:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And she's spiraling and crushing out. Thinking she doesn't know. Stuff about Zach. And the thing, she does know everything now. Yeah, there's not like a big bombshell. But she probably thinks like, oh my gosh, there's so much more that I don't know. and that's like scaring her yeah that's like really like mind fuckery it is at least zach seems to put together that probably america thinks i'm not good enough for you which is what america thinks yes and he like yeah and that she kind of had her whole experience like sidelined by him yeah she never explored i don't know if there's really anyone in there like this everybody likes her no i'm who's worthy of her i'm saying like bryce was interested bryce is a good guy yeah Caleb was into her.

1:21:51Claudia Oshry:He when he had like one day to explore. My Shayla Caleb. He's too good for this show. A thousand percent. Get him off that island. Stop. But even someone was sitting around talking about how everybody like at the island is so good looking. I don't find that that's the case. No but two guys were sitting on couches. Corbin for sure. No it was like I think it was like two Casa boys like Carl. And Dylan. Yes. And then they also started saying how the guys were so good. Yeah. And then it got like a little. Yeah. But do with that while you will. and they said everyone here is so good looking like kata they just said like you know kata's so good looking so anybody would want to know of course but she has her eyes set from the moment yeah and they they like each other thing is to have to sit around and talk all day in the hot for weeks you have to like actually like the person i think they are a compatible cute couple i just think he needs to grow up yeah he's manipulative and he gets like really involved in like the boys like the when the boys all get together it's like truly scary yeah it depends which guys because some of them are cute and like they really liked Caleb that was cute to see that they were like sad to miss him yeah Corbin cried Corbin no by the end of the episode after his performance which I thought was cute and after um him and Parmita like stood on fucking business during that vote I really started to like them yeah me too just in time for them to leave they are serious they closed off like they definitely have like a weird relationship but who am I to judge there's a little pot for every lid fucking hate that sincere like i can't stress it enough poor melanie but like at some point like girl you gotta stand up for yourself yeah i can't have more respect for you than you have for yourself people care about people who care about themselves it's infuriating it is the tushy i was like oh we're done we're done and the fact that like he doesn't go and sleep in soul ties preemptively and give her the bed letting her he's such a piece of shit.

1:23:39Such a piece of shit.

1:23:40Claudia Oshry:It's really insane. Like that's not how I want to spend every night is with Sincere. I know. With these low lives. Sincere. So true. And oh I said this last night but like any brand who after the show like works with Sincere like you're garbage. Garbage. Who would want that as your ambassador? I will be boycotting. Honestly like I'm not a boycotting company. I don't need to like go through the streets with like picket. But just know personally like I judge you if that's your brand. Like he showed up on this show and was a piece of garbage. And that's who you are? And that's who you are? to represent your brand.

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