Leaks, Snakes, and Doing Something Crazy: Friday, April 24th, 2026

11:46Jackie Oshry:one going to a workout class that's actually really crazy well no because i don't see i don't

11:50Claudia Oshry:see that as crazy for you because i just see you as like this very capable strong person that's really beautiful yeah yeah we have a lot to discuss that i just think we should get into

12:01Jackie Oshry:it we also have queenie and weenie and i love when my queenie and weenie just like fall into place over the course of the week i like wrote them down a few days ago you know yeah i love

12:07Claudia Oshry:that i love queenie and weenie um i know you do so i just i know you actually want to do it three times a week i want to make mention i'm wearing another og sponsor on my feet today thursday boots rothy's rothy's come back i don't know where they went but i guess i all maybe our old sponsors are coming back because they both like gifted them to me um and i got like new rothy's and rothy's are a brand that like we used to do ads for they went away i think they like canceled us probably but um the product was sounds about right the product was so good i kept buying them we're so authentic and now they gave me a free pair so i really like them they're little mary james they're very cute do you see them yeah very cutesy i'm wearing hokas like so not a big deal they're brand new hoka hoka i yeah it's like i really wish you wouldn't make it a big deal no i was trying to be cool about it you know i know just i appreciate that

13:04Jackie Oshry:yeah it's not a big deal um so i'm okay with diving in i really want to talk about summer house if you are.

13:10Claudia Oshry:Yeah, let's get into the fast five stories that you do need to know.

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19:11Claudia Oshry:First up, Summer House Reunion taped yesterday. So here's the series of events that happened from last night until today when Summer House Reunion finished taping. Andy Cohen came out of the taping and said that the season 10 reunion is one of the most intense in the hundreds that he's filmed. So Andy filmed a video, little video last night as he left the reunion, just being like, wow, this was intense. One of the most intense he's ever done. And that, you know, we would all see it soon. this morning most of us woke up to leaked audio from the summer house reunion it was a conversation about west mandeval sierra calls amanda a snake in the grass her and a pretty scathing clip it's pretty scathing her and mia and what sounds like kj i guess i thought it was kyle more in the reunion than he said the whole season yeah because i think he really looks at sierra like a sister and is really going to bat for her are you know coming out amanda and west for why they did what they did why would you do that a couple um sound bites page six has this as sierra saying this but i heard it as mia let me know what you thought the person said you went from being married and i'm not saying your relationship was perfect no this was mia this was mia yes yeah to being one of west side bitches she called that um crazy and unnecessary then sierra said there are a million other fucking guys in new york city and you chose the one guy it's true she said you're a snake in the fucking grass and you know you are you move silent but you're fucking deadly uh and at another point in the clip they called her out for lying directly to sierra when asked about it and amanda said that she did lie because she was still trying to figure it out she said it was also new and i was figuring it out there were so many layers and complications to this the fact that he was seeing other people the fact that i was married she also insisted that you can't help who you like and are attracted to to which sierra said yes you can i actually really appreciated that because amanda's

21:03Jackie Oshry:taking like her stance is like listen you can't help who you fall in love with obviously this is not ideal i was married to his friend your ex-girlfriend is one of my best friends but like you can't help who you fall in love with and i just want to be abundantly clear that like this is not love it was probably lust and now it's sort of like they're just clinging to each other because that's all that they have and i think if west had a choice he wouldn't be with her but he really has no choice like he has to be with her not only i think that it would actually be really bad for her like I I don't think she could handle that emotionally but to like you just blew up your whole life for what like he has to stay with the only way for him to look worse right now would be to leave yeah and dry like but I appreciated Sierra saying that because you said it and I never even thought about it but it's so true like just to indulge in every little feeling that you have is an extremely immature like yeah maybe you did think I think a lot of people are cute you know like just to like act on every single impulsive feeling that you have like that's actually a really immature and unnecessary way to live and like you have sort of no self-control

22:02Claudia Oshry:and she's not even saying you can't help who you love she didn't say that she said you can't help

22:06Jackie Oshry:who you like and are attracted to yeah but that's the thing that's why amanda's in the worst position ever like she obviously loves west like she does for sure she could never say that to him he would

22:14Claudia Oshry:run away like because this is not a real relationship right another hard position to be in and then sierra you know went on to say like you're still technically married and you're like getting with us and she was like so i have to be celibate and single until a judge signs some paperwork where Sierra was just like there are a million guys in New York and you chose the one which is what we said.

22:34Jackie Oshry:Sierra needs to not bring up the marriage thing like nobody cares like the problem here is not that she was still technically married we know that they were separated like that's not the issue.

22:41Claudia Oshry:Amanda could have dated any other guy on the planet except from like except for maybe Craig yeah um and would have been a hero everyone would have loved her relationship celebrated it etc except for Wes Wilson.

22:55Jackie Oshry:I will say I listened to the leak and obviously say it's just a microcosm right we don't know if it was the beginning the middle or the end but I felt like they weren't going hard enough like I really and I I like her audacity she is not coming in you know tail between her legs they're not coming in apologetic and taking accountability it's very much like well this is what happened and you know it's unfortunate but we're in love like and so I don't feel like people are in on the couches based on this just this clip are being

23:21Claudia Oshry:hard enough honestly yeah I think they need to tread a little bit lighter than they did with scandaval I think in hindsight like that was too much um and so I think like make your feelings plain call out the lies call out the bullshit but it doesn't have to get to that level and I think they can make their point better if they don't get to that level I think that the way that the conversation was going like seemed like they were firing on all appropriate cylinders and he also put out a statement this morning about the leak he said that um he tweeted on my way to eye surgery and just reading about it.

23:57Claudia Oshry:People laid their souls out emotionally for 10 hours yesterday, and it's disgusting and illegal for someone to leak or distribute this. It's disrespectful to the work and tears the cast put in yesterday. Let the season play out. You will see it all in due time.

24:09Jackie Oshry:All right, calm down. Like, we're just excited. What do you think about the fact that it leaked, though? Well, I think it's interesting because one of my favorite, like, facts that I once learned while reading Andy's books was they used to have a lot of leaks at reunions. They could not figure out how to get the leaks to stop. and it was when they stopped putting monitors in people's dressing rooms that the leak stopped because it was more often than not hair and makeup um in the dressing rooms just like sitting around waiting for the people to come back for break and just watching and leaking so they used to they plugged the audio yeah and because the people in hair and makeup they need to watch to see if

24:44Claudia Oshry:somebody needs a touch up but they don't need to hear yeah and so they removed the audio from

24:48Jackie Oshry:everyone's dressing rooms and that pretty much stopped all the leaks what's crazy is that there wasn't a leak like this with Scandaval like this is kind of a big deal that there is a leak people are trying to guess who leaked it from the cast because it sounds like you know it sounds like Mia's far away but Sierra is closer I do not think it was a cast member well I really don't

25:07Claudia Oshry:so people were thought maybe even Weston Amanda leaked it because it sounded like they were closer I want to look at the seating chart again because I don't think it's on Bravo's Instagram I don't think it was them but I think if it was a cast member it was someone on their side

25:20Jackie Oshry:on bravo's and i also imagine it's someone who's not talking it's carl i imagine it's someone who's not talking because it would be so obvious when you talk that like your phone

25:30Claudia Oshry:is closest to you oh you know but i thought kj sounded the furthest away yeah and he's it goes amanda west who do you think sounded the loudest i'd have to listen to it again because now i think maybe it was andy oh that would be funny And I just want to say regarding the leak in general, I actually think it's a good thing that this leak. Because it's like very titillating for us. We needed something, you know. This obviously doesn't give away the whole reunion. There's no spoilers here. It's all very obvious. It was 10 hours. It's all very obvious what they're saying. But at least we get like a little taste.

26:01Claudia Oshry:And I think we're going to have to wait a long time for this reunion to come out. And they need to keep us engaged. And I think net, net, this little tiny leak is like good for the show. Obviously.

26:12Jackie Oshry:And he's like fake outrage. Calm down. like it's really not him bringing in the cast and the crew you know not to bring in the legality yeah I wonder who it was I'm just I would never tell anyone but if anybody knows just like let

26:23Claudia Oshry:me know I'm just curious yeah it went on reddit so like whoever had it and I imagine it would have been like a cast member like voice noting it maybe they sent it to like a friend you think it was a cast member who else would be that close well I don't know but I guess oh I guess yeah

26:43Jackie Oshry:like it has to be a cast member. And because like people

26:44Claudia Oshry:who are in production. I know who it was.

26:47Jackie Oshry:Levi.

26:48Claudia Oshry:Levi's totally. I can't believe she's at the reunion. People who are in production. I actually don't think they care that much like about the show. They're just like manning the camera. Doing their job. But the people on the couch like they engage with like the Bravo accounts and Reddit. And they have a lot of

27:01Jackie Oshry:personal like personal like investment in what happens.

27:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah like I think nobody cares more than them. I think it was Andy I just want to say. I think it was Carl. Or Jesse Solomon. darryl i'm so fucking sad for this reunion it wasn't me oh she's too far away wasn't lindsey it's giving right couch carl jesse i think darry i think it was carl

27:30Jackie Oshry:i think so it settled it was carl um they also left the reunion together amanda and west she

27:36Claudia Oshry:was like wrapped in a blanket i just want to say like they looked kind of fabulous

27:40Jackie Oshry:you think that i thought they looked for bison i thought the blanket like as you know as much as

27:45Claudia Oshry:like she could be fabulous in a blanket like it sort of looked like a big furry coat and i thought i did not read it that way it was like their first like you know stepping out together i actually thought like not that i not that i support them in any way but i have to be honest about what i saw what my eyes saw and i actually thought that they it was a good look what's interesting is that

28:05Jackie Oshry:But Sierra left privately through the garage, meaning they chose to be paparazzi. And then they're like this. Yeah, right. And you were wearing the blanket. You just caught. Well, everybody else left regular. I didn't see pictures of anyone else leaving. You didn't? No, just them. Interesting. And Sierra, they were obviously given a choice.

28:25Claudia Oshry:Maybe not everyone was giving a choice. Maybe they were like, get out there. Go take pictures. We care about Sierra. We're going to protect her, but we're not protecting you. Walk out the front door. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I would do that if like this were my show.

28:39Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

28:39Claudia Oshry:I would want to like just protect Sierra and everyone else can figure it out. I just know West is in hell.

28:46Jackie Oshry:Like I know he's so unhappy with his decisions. He's having the worst time. And that brings me joy because, and you know, it's so funny. I saw an edit to like this whole saga to the bridge of the smallest man who ever lived. And it's actually, it's West Wilson. Obviously because he's small, like he's short. but like you deserve prison like you literally deserve prison but you won't get time you'll slide into inboxes and slip through the vines you cry like it's actually crazy how that song

29:15Claudia Oshry:is about him interesting and the part where you sent by someone literally who wanted me dead

29:23Jackie Oshry:Did you sleep with a gun underneath our bed? Were you writing a book? Were you a sleeper cell spy? In 50 years will all this be declassified?

29:41Claudia Oshry:All those things are giving us like way too much credit.

29:44Jackie Oshry:Yeah, of course. No, no. And you'll confess why you did it. and i'll say good riddance because it wasn't sex it was it wasn't forbidden i would have died for your sins instead i just died inside and you deserve prison literally he deserves prison

30:07Claudia Oshry:but the rest of the song is actually making too much of him like he's shit too much of him

30:12Jackie Oshry:but it's more so the fact like sometimes like somebody especially romantic partners will do something so evil to you and like how is it not illegal like how do you not go to jail yeah i agree like how can you do something so so so bad and not be a criminal yeah no it's like sandoval and it's just not and nor i mean it's just not but yes i understand the line i understand the line oh i'm so sad like i'm sad i think i'm gonna have a watch party like for the reunion.

30:47Claudia Oshry:I mean, okay. Maybe West will come. It might be in the Hamptons this summer because that's how far away it is. Oh yeah, when is it? It'll probably be in like five weeks, six weeks.

30:56Jackie Oshry:You know, I drink electrolytes every morning. I keep getting like these clumps of like powder in my electrolytes and like it's like.

31:03Claudia Oshry:I saw you struggling. I chose to ignore you.

31:06Jackie Oshry:You saw me struggling.

31:07Claudia Oshry:I did, but I was in the middle of like talking about our first big story, the big news, and I thought she'll figure it out.

31:13Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I will figure it out. I'm going to start my own line of electrolytes like so I can stop choking.

31:17Claudia Oshry:She'll figure it out over there. Are you ready for our next story?

31:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

31:23Claudia Oshry:Jake Shane and Alex Earl are messing with us. They posted a video yesterday, an ad for Venmo. That also feels like an ad for her going on his podcast to spill the tea.

31:32Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

31:33Claudia Oshry:What do you know?

31:34Jackie Oshry:I actually did speak to Jake Shane. And let me tell you something about Jake Shane. He's the steel trap. Like, oh, no, that's not. What's like when you're quiet? I think a steel trap. No, your mind can be a steel trap. And like you forget when you don't forget stuff, that's a steel trap. He's a vault. He's a vault. Let me tell you. Or an amazing actor because he said he like had no tea or nothing. And I'm like, really?

31:55Claudia Oshry:Sure. Yeah, I know. I know. So do you think she's going on Therapist? She's been on Therapist? No, I feel like. It was just the ad.

32:04Jackie Oshry:It's very clear. It was just an ad? I think it was just an ad, but I think it's also very clear what her step, what the steps forward will be for Ella. I thought so too.

32:14Claudia Oshry:I was like, fine, I'll wait for the show. Like whatever, I'm over it. But then they post that ad and he's like smiling at the end knowingly.

32:20Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I just think he's like a smiler, you know? Oh my God.

32:24Claudia Oshry:I think he's a person who smiles. I can't with him because it totally was a smile of this girl's coming on my podcast and she's going to spill all the tea. I hope you can't. Oh, that's so funny. I didn't really think that. I just thought it was like a cutesy ad. Oh no. Should I watch it again now through that lens? I felt like she's going on his podcast. They know it's going to be the biggest thing. They like reached out to partners. Like, does anybody want to like do an ad? Oh, that's interesting. And they recorded this Venmo thing in partnership with the forthcoming episode. But that's just like my take.

32:51Jackie Oshry:I was laughing.

32:52Claudia Oshry:Are you so excited for the pod today? Yeah, she's going on the pod.

32:55Jackie Oshry:What jacket is that? You like it? It's really cute. Thanks. I just got it. Can you pause for a second?

33:02Claudia Oshry:In the beginning, he said, are you so excited for the pod today? Let me watch it again and then I'll give my analysis. So I didn't make it up.

33:08Jackie Oshry:I love you.

33:13Jackie Oshry:I was cracking. I just thought it was like a funny commercial. He shows up in the same jacket. Jake, where did you get that? I'm sorry. I really like the jacket. And I went out and got it with my Venmo debit card. I wanted to earn cash back with Venmo Stash. That was 20 minutes ago. Well, actually it was 25. But who's counting? Just come.

33:34Jackie Oshry:Okay. So I think the smile at the end is just more so like a cutesy way to end the ad. But he does say, let her watch overtime at the beginning, are you so excited for the pod today it's gonna be so fun so she can't go on his pod and not talk about this praying it's gonna be sunday surprise episode hmm are you convinced

34:02Jackie Oshry:i'm not but i do have questions on why he said that thing in the beginning

34:06Claudia Oshry:and the smile at the end so you don't think she's going on his pod I don't know why she would She has her own show She has her own YouTube series I mean it's one of the biggest platforms In terms of like telling your story It's actually sort of the perfect thing for her to do And it's not like she has to host it

34:22Jackie Oshry:I also think that Jake Shane is definitely like a thorn In Alex Cooper's side Like I think he was like this little show Like this little TikTok and it's like blowing up Now people go to him mostly Especially music people

34:34Claudia Oshry:Yeah it's one or two So maybe not only does she want to tell her story

34:38Jackie Oshry:but also like stick it to Cooper and like she knows that maybe like Alex Cooper hates Jake

34:42Claudia Oshry:Shane yeah for sure they well they obviously hate each other too because Jake Shane is Alex Earl's best friend so like oh yeah he hates by osmosis common enemies um but I think she's going on his podcast and if she is she will talk about it because don't what of course what else are you

34:59Jackie Oshry:doing here I obviously support her going on I think it's a good I think it's a good strat I also think he's on Netflix. He's on Netflix. She's on Netflix. It's like still part of the synergy. But I can't imagine why now everyone's sort of content with her saving it for her reality show. We've all accepted that. So why wouldn't she?

35:18Claudia Oshry:I don't know. That's why I'm like, I thought there was a wrench thrown in yesterday. Get back on the board. Zero days.

35:27Jackie Oshry:I don't have to get back on the board because I never changed it.

35:31Claudia Oshry:Zero days without talking.

35:32Jackie Oshry:It's been zero days since we've talked about the Lex vs. Licks drama in a formal capacity.

35:36Claudia Oshry:It was formal.

35:38Jackie Oshry:I think I have a typo here.

35:40Claudia Oshry:Made better luck next week. Oh, you have a typo.

35:43Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I wrote about. A-B-O-U-P. I must have been talking and writing at the same time. Yeah.

35:50Claudia Oshry:You guys wouldn't know because it's part of the Lost Files.

35:53Jackie Oshry:Yeah, it was in yesterday's pre-record.

35:55Claudia Oshry:They're like, get away your random whiteboard. We don't know what that is. Well.

35:59Jackie Oshry:It's been zero days. Zero days. Well, on Monday, it will be two. We'll have to make it two. Zero shows. Shit, you're right. Hold on. Yeah. Because then we take a vacation.

36:14Claudia Oshry:Yeah, then we have to start counting days. Let's go by shows. Okay. Okay. Now, are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz are engaged after eight months of dating. This is really interesting. This is really crazy. Following internet breaking images of Zoe Kravitz spotting a ring on that finger, a source tells Page Six. The two are engaged. He's completely smitten, says the insider. He would jump off a cliff for her. Well, that's not good. That's not good. Meanwhile, we're told she is on cloud nine. She better be.

36:50Jackie Oshry:I didn't believe this when I saw her wearing the ring because I do think that celebrities put on big pieces of jewelry on random fingers just to start stuff and like keep their name in the news. It's like a good way to just stay relevant.

36:58Claudia Oshry:Sometimes you get like gifted a piece of jewelry or you're borrowing something and it only fits on a certain finger. Like it's really not that serious. I haven't worn a wedding ring in a year now. Same.

37:07Jackie Oshry:And also like sometimes you just don't have enough fingers for all the rings that you have. Yeah. It's not always. So I didn't I wasn't getting on board with people being like she's engaged. And now I guess it's being reported as fact. So she's engaged. And it's crazy that Harry's had so many high profile relationships, but he's never been engaged. So this obviously means something. I of course think of it from the like POV of well is she gonna is he gonna be her plus one to Taylor's wedding like this right yeah of course and then Taylor's gonna go to their wedding like

37:33Claudia Oshry:that's just weird but her and Harry are cool they're like the sort of exes like her and Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner like I think it's all good now yeah especially now with Taylor it's like with Travis like you can't be she can have a couple exes that like are persona non grata yeah forever maddie healy yeah harry's not one of them jake gyllenhaal joe alwyn well joe alwyn harry you know what they're gonna see each other at work events like you've got to have and they're always like like you know cordial so i think that this is fine yeah i can't believe harry

38:06Jackie Oshry:styles is off the market i feel like the fact that this isn't bigger news like it's obviously big news but i feel like really speaks to his star sort of having fallen somewhat recently don't you find with the new aperture with the album come out oh the album did come out it came

38:20Claudia Oshry:and went very quickly yeah i guess his star has fallen but i also think that maybe it was because there was so much hoopla around him and olivia wilde that like whatever he did next like everyone was just going to sort of not engage sort of like kim and lewis like yeah right we've done this before and so people just aren't as like jazzed up about it no but there was a time that like if

38:42Jackie Oshry:harry styles had gotten engaged like there would have been vigils held in every major city like people would not have been okay and now it's like cute yeah it is cute and I guess it's like soon

38:52Claudia Oshry:eight months but I endorse that like when you know you know I'm not gonna be a summer house telling them that they're moving too quickly people in Hollywood do way crazier like dating

39:01Jackie Oshry:for eight months like at an age-appropriate relationship and you guys have spent like really you were spotted together almost every week like you obviously spend a lot of time together I have no problem with this and I'm actually think they're a great couple and I wish them well speaking of great couples did you see hella beaver's instagram story i did that's actually our next story oh then sorry i don't want to rush let's just go back to talking about the the kravitzes so her name is going to be zoe styles that's a cute name that is a cute name i mean styles is such a great last name i don't think like even if your name was like you know monster monster styles if your name was jay-z monster styles

39:40funny um it's just a great last name monster styles sounds like like a goth store like hot

39:46Claudia Oshry:topic you know yeah i mean we can go to the next story if you want no no no no i don't have to keep fairing names no we can't jackie styles jackie styles that's cute it sounds like i run a like Like a personal styling business. Instagram. Yeah. Claudia Stiles. Now that feels right. It actually doesn't work. No. It does sound like a verb. Okay. Like Claudia Stiles. Claudia Stiles who?

40:15Jackie Oshry:Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Yeah. I guess I never thought about what it's like to have a verb for a last name. Let's think about it. Wait. Are there others? Like walks? Is that like a name? No, like Walker. A noun. Not the same. Yeah.

40:39Jackie Oshry:Eats.

40:40Claudia Oshry:Not a name. Lives.

40:42Jackie Oshry:Breathes. Hmm. Sound off in the comments. Do you know someone that has a verb for a last name?

40:50Claudia Oshry:Please let us know.

40:52Jackie Oshry:Do let us know.

40:53Claudia Oshry:I feel now completely ready for our next story. Yeah, I'm ready to go. hailey bieber shares a cryptic message about not needing any apologies so hailey bieber is telling internet trolls to hit the road oh good one emus oh that is actually a good one um so she posted an instagram story saying all good on apologies the therapy's already paid for save it i guess

41:15Jackie Oshry:alluding to the fact that she's now the internet has switched up like bieberchella like road being a billion dollar company it's been a slow transition but now i feel like she's truly on the other side of the insane like Jelena hate and so now everyone's like Haley's such a queen and I know what she's saying at first I was like is she talking to someone specifically and then I was like no this is clearly about like the internet switch up on her and it just feels good to know like she's not talking to me here like I never I never hated Haley Bieber like

41:41Claudia Oshry:I am elite in my thinking you know I completely agree I just feel like it missed me with that you know yeah that was not intended for me because I actually like I never even once had

41:52Jackie Oshry:a bad thought about no like there's so nothing to hate my thoughts and my words about hailey bieber have been so pure yeah and so while i see this mess happening it's like not my circus not my monkeys and i'm sorry that happened but i feel good knowing like i played no part in her therapy like she's not in therapy because of me no and beyond that it's a great time to be able to say

42:13Claudia Oshry:like we were right you know which always feels good to say we rode for hailey when it was unpopular like we knew she was that girl and we were right and it encourages us to continue like sharing

42:25Jackie Oshry:unpopular opinions because one day we will be right our popular opinions will bear fruit and

42:31Claudia Oshry:i feel like recently there have been a couple things that it was like you know i felt a certain way but i didn't say it because it wasn't popular and then it came home to roost it's like amanda i should have said it because i would have gotten the credit then yeah right no but we truly we also can't go too hard you can't go too hard no of course of course you don't want to end up in the mud it's a fine line but a little encouragement to the unpopular opinions and i sleep really well

42:55Jackie Oshry:at night knowing like i played no part in the actual decade-long bullying stunt that was pulled on miss hailey bieber like and i actually fought against it yeah i was on the right side of history yeah we were against the tide yeah have you and i don't i'm not like easily manipulated by internet you know like memes meme texan memes texas memes she's texas pk

43:20Claudia Oshry:have you been seeing that meme going around it's actually the opposite of what we're saying but i found it really funny it's like in a world where everyone's like on lip filler botox and peptides and fake and like this is me and it's like group crowds we're like it's like the person in the middle of the group yes i have seen the meme it's a hysterical trope it is it's like a funny thing that followers are doing yeah at least you can be like a self-aware follower group thinker yeah because i'm sure you've also seen the meme of like one person and then like a thousand people and we are the one and the one is like no you're wrong and yeah that's literally me talking about like lively like it it is so i'm with a thousand i'm actually not with a thousand i'm not in the picture you're not photographed i'm not seen photographed no no you're not in that image

44:06Jackie Oshry:for that particular topic.

44:08Claudia Oshry:No, I'm not. Well, I'm happy for Hailey Bieber that not only that she's like getting the love that she finally deserves, but like that she recognizes.

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49:51Claudia Oshry:i'll wait i'll wait i feel like a teacher you won't indulge me in my i did something crazy last night it's like why would i indulge you like for real i feel like i did a lot of indulging though to a point i but the time is up we're no longer indulging i guess we're no longer we're no longer indulging all day jerked we're no longer indulging all day even though i change it every time like the thing about i did something crazy last night he's like i'm just trying to change it evolve what changes is the crazy thing that i did our fifth and final story is genuinely the craziest thing someone actually did something crazy crack crazier meth crazier diana rossini and mike oh my god the nfl drama the nfl like scandaval were caught kissing at a new york this is the scandaval of the nfl this is the craziest story so we reported on a few weeks ago just because everyone was talking about it like this person who works for the head coach head coach of the patriots and the football reporter for the new york times whatever the fuck that is were caught at the same resort having an affair at the same resort like you know holding hands whatever and you know the nfl world was in a tizzy they were both previously married some old like things that she had said like disparaging her

51:09Jackie Oshry:husband resurfaced and it was just like hilarious it was genuinely hilarious like just a weird crazy

51:13Claudia Oshry:affair story whatever yeah it was a fun time now it's like it's taking a crazy turn so one the two of them were caught kissing at a new york city bar in new photos that were just released that were taken six years before this scandal started the photos are from march 2020 march 11th actually

51:32Jackie Oshry:two days before the pandemic who released these photos like for real who's been holding on to

51:37Claudia Oshry:for six years i don't know like maybe it was someone who like thought that they saw mike right right and this lady kissing and then like nothing ever came of it so they just like didn't do anything about it and then when this story came out they were like oh my god i think that's time we went to a bar and they've been like looking for their old phones since ever since and finally they just got found the charger so not only have old photos surfaced of them together at a bar in 2020 but people found an old tweet of hers that a couple old tweets that she tweeted this in 2021 I keep looking at my almost four day old son Michael while trying to figure out who are the best Michaels to ever play and coach in the NFL which why would you be wondering that why would you be wondering I guess if you're like like we were just you know how we talk about like famous people who share the same names as our sons yeah if she works in sports then I guess it actually could be innocent but then somebody went back and figured out that in November of 2020 she was in Nashville or Tennessee covering a game and Mike Vrabel was also in Nashville at the same time and then her son was born nine months later sort of saying that like they think that they've discovered that mike is the real father of her child who she named michael michael it's not it's implausible it's not inconceivable no no because like i had charlie in august but and i conceived him in november

53:20Jackie Oshry:was he this was six years ago like he's the new coach like what was he doing oh he was obviously

53:26Claudia Oshry:the head coach somewhere else maybe a college team right you don't just become the head coach of the patriots with no prior career right right right so that doesn't say anything and they were kissing in 2020. The internet is insane. The internet is insane. They were kissing in March 2020. She had her son in August of 2021 and they are still carrying on an affair in 2026.

53:51Jackie Oshry:It's entirely possible. It's not even like, oh, it's ha ha funny. It's actually like likely. Yeah, I would say it's a 50-50. She was still sleeping with her husband.

54:01Claudia Oshry:And I actually think it's like, it's actually so crazy. and like inappropriate to like speculate on the fraternity of her child like for real but these

54:09Jackie Oshry:crumbs are massive aren't they're not crumbs yeah it's like they're loaves of bread yeah and so

54:16Claudia Oshry:she's gonna need to like say something and shut this shit down because it's a wild way that right theory if not true if it's not true i wonder yeah but you also like don't want to like you know feed the flames and you don't need to respond to everything that's just like so out of control but like maybe this timing is all just so unfortunate like if you were having an affair and she seemed to be having an affair with this guy in 2020 well it's crazy that she's having an affair while having kids it's crazy that she was having an affair and then named her child the name of her boyfriend that's like what adam levine tried to do oh my god did you see adam levine's new face no you know i don't see new faces i'm face blind insane i'm sorry it's so right yeah you are you

54:59Jackie Oshry:You do have face blindness. I'm actually, I'm new face blind. I don't see new faces. He looks like a woman. He looks like an older woman. He looks like Kris Jenner. Is that nice? I don't care. I don't care. Like men getting facelifts is so weird because nobody asks that of them. Like they all get to age gracefully. So to get a facelift by choice, I'm sorry, it needs to be spoken about because it's embarrassing as hell. Especially a bad one like Bradley Cooper. Now Adam Lee. Jack, you have to look up a picture. He looks like someone's grandma.

55:26Claudia Oshry:he looks like diane warren oh wow yeah right because it's funny this article like has a picture an old picture of him and bahati i'm like he looks the same he looks the same i'm gonna scroll down and see if he looks any different and he does he really does it's crazy

55:45Jackie Oshry:and he was like such a handsome guy i'm sure he was aging like totally fine and also like men aging is like a nice look it's a nice look and like the world lets them age gracefully and tells them how much better looking they get so you're gonna do all this when you don't have to like i don't even feel i i never make fun of women who get bad faceless like that the world made them

56:05Claudia Oshry:this way you know they had no choice it's at the madame chusot's wax figure museum oh no no no that was a joke someone made no he's at like a breakthrough event breakthrough price someone oh yeah it is giving um his wax figure like wax figure gone wrong this isn't nice i don't care

56:25Jackie Oshry:like seriously if I didn't have to get a facelift like I would never and also he did dm like some

56:31Claudia Oshry:bikini model like I have a baby on the way should I name it after you summoner summer with an n

56:38Jackie Oshry:and did they name it summoner no thank god I can't believe she's still with him between the facelift and the dms like girl run historically it's hard to get a guy historically it's hard to get a boyfriend but i don't know if that applies to behadi prinslow honestly she's like one of the most gorgeous victoria secret bottles that i agree that that

56:59Claudia Oshry:statement applies to like just regular people yeah like regular dagulars if you've walked in

57:05Jackie Oshry:the victoria secret fashion show like that statement does not apply yeah or if you have like a ton of money agreed like you're an heiress yeah yeah i guess you could have a ton of money as a woman and not have inherited it no but i actually no i'm sorry but you know that list of female billionaires is all heiresses and widows and divorcees divorcees mackenzie but i i think

57:27Claudia Oshry:actually make a good point inadvertently which is that like if you are a very successful business woman it actually is hard to get a guy a hundred percent so you actually can only be like an

57:38Jackie Oshry:attractive wealthy woman if you've inherited it from a partner yeah that's true it's only it's only attractive if you're like wealthy by blood not by like sweat yeah like guys like don't like that it's so true um like that's the way to be like to be born an heiress like sort of like nicola peltz like i understand why she's probably insufferable she's an heiress yeah yeah she doesn't know how to not be yeah and i don't think anybody finds her wealth like intimidating and she's

58:06Claudia Oshry:gorgeous like maybe if you're an ugly heiress you have to work on your personality still jackie there's no such thing as an ugly eras right because like you could buy your way out of your

58:14Jackie Oshry:no but say you're like not a gorgeous heiress have you ever seen with those semi-haze twins

58:19Claudia Oshry:like their original faces yeah yeah there's there's no such thing as an ugly eras it's true but okay say like until you were old enough to get reconstructive surgery yeah yeah just stay offline or you went to a school where everybody's really rich so it's like your money's not impressive and then you have to work on your personality like those are ways in which you

58:38Jackie Oshry:could become like an interesting lovely heiress it's beautiful all is to say um this diana

58:48Claudia Oshry:rossini story oh yeah mike vrabel i don't know how to pronounce any of their names has officially become the craziest thing i ever heard it is really crazy because it keeps evolving even if like the child is her husband's and whatever like the coincidences are staggering and how could you name your child the same name as the man that you kissed outside of your marriage a year and a half before that's really crazy just gonna leave it at that let's dive into our tv recap

59:19Jackie Oshry:i didn't watch a beverly hills reunion but i will allow you to spoil it i did see a great clip of bo's talking about like her teaching course versus like amanda's courses oh let's talk about spin

59:28Claudia Oshry:that was crafty it was but i did first of all i appreciated that yeah i appreciate it from now on whenever i have something that's not successful i'm gonna say it was a charitable endeavor

59:39Jackie Oshry:we know not like yeah i lose money on it because like i care we did not do it to make money we did

59:45Claudia Oshry:it to give to give back we did it to give back to the people to people who can't go to harvard like slay mama it was a master class that was the class I needed to go to Harvard for right of the spin the art of the spin whether or not that's the truth and what she set out to do when she published a class like it doesn't matter she just like one because once you say it's for charity like what can someone say really what can someone say um but I'm definitely going to use that one for my next unsuccessful venture thank you both um let's take it from the top so we started with Dorit v. Kyle. We talked about Dorit and PK.

1:00:23Claudia Oshry:Net, net, Dorit actually shared that her and PK are in a very good spot as of reunion taping. Things are better for them. And she was very relieved about it. So were all of the women. I hope that it stays that way because, you know, like what's coming for her and, you know, whether or not they're in a good place or a bad place, like she's going to have to move and be a single mom. And it's just hard. She has a hard road ahead of her. So like, let it be less hard for her I do want that for her yeah um we delved into Rachel being on the show and how open she's been and how she was surprised by how open she was Andy was surprised by how open she was like the viewers really appreciated it and even though Roger you know has heard some of the things and is like not happy she would not change it ultimately she said she had a very hard summer there were a lot of things that she did not share that were actually so much worse than what she did share and that's why she was being so open because it was like so so crazy how could she not just like share even the lesser crazy but I think all in all she had a really good experience and she's been so fab for the show they panned to Amanda when they were saying how the viewers have really appreciated Rachel and she's gotten an outpouring of love and support they panned to Amanda and I just want to say like I am not an Amanda Francis hater and even when me neither even when the hate was coming in like hot and fast like I never really felt that way Like I thought she was like kind of cringe and whatever, but I never like really hated her.

1:01:40Claudia Oshry:And now I can appreciate her. They did talk a lot about how she is disparaging towards her husband, both like to his face and in the confessionals. And she was like, Oh no, he's not emasculated by it. Like it's just the truth. And the girls are like, he's not emasculated by it yet, but like these things will build and build. And it's true. Like if they have a real marriage, like of real to normal people in a marriage who love each other and need to like feel supported, that's not going to end well. Sustainable. No one wants to hear that about themselves.

1:02:09Jackie Oshry:I am not an Amanda Francis hater any longer, but I do feel that her behavior, I think in the beginning could be explained away. Like it's an intimidating group. She's obviously not at the level, like her rolling calls in Sedona was like embarrassing, but I really, really, really didn't like her behavior at whatever dinner party that was with Dorit.

1:02:32Jackie Oshry:Where she had been having a hard time because it was the anniversary and And she just sort of, I feel acted, she shouldn't have come, period. And I feel like she acted in a way that just kind of made the whole situation just impossible. Like there's nothing to say when somebody says that. So, okay. Yeah. We'll say nothing.

1:02:54Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I'll give her a pass for that though because it's a hard day for her. And so if she just wanted to shut you down, that's what she did. I'm not going to hold that against her. They talked a lot about like the labels and stuff. and she was like i thought this was a show about like rich women who have cool shit and erica was like that's not all this is though like you didn't bring anything other than that and she's right for that that's true but on the other hand from the moment amanda came on the show like she wasn't welcomed warmly people just like didn't like her off the jump so why would she start opening up and sharing it wasn't like a warm welcoming environment um but i do think ultimately like she talks the talk and she walks the walk and i think that the reason why she's so disparaging towards her husband about like how financially unsuccessful he is is to inspire women that like you could make this much money but as rachel zo had said like there are other ways to inspire women without actually verbally saying it like you can show rather than tell yeah no and it's just like

1:03:50Jackie Oshry:you can spit it however you want like it's disrespectful yeah it really is rude and it's

1:03:55Claudia Oshry:unnecessary um but i think she's just trying to like prove her point about like money queen money

1:03:59Jackie Oshry:queen do you well she was obviously miscast I want to say like I'm sorry she doesn't belong on this show I think that they've always maintained a level of just like a level that

1:04:10Claudia Oshry:you genuinely cannot say that because she lives in the house that Kyle lived in while being on the show for 10 years so she's at the level that Kyle's but I'm not even talking sorry I'm really

1:04:21Jackie Oshry:not talking about only money obviously money there are women on the show who have a lot of money and like nothing else there are women who don't have a ton like Erica doesn't have a ton of money right now um but i still feel like she's eligible for the show for other reasons like well you could be well connected like i don't know amanda doesn't have anything in my opinion that makes her right for the show besides the fact that she lives in carl richards house

1:04:42Claudia Oshry:yeah yeah and i guess she has a divisive personality but she is bringing like crystal

1:04:47Jackie Oshry:kong millennial energy yeah yeah yeah and crystal kong had like one of the biggest houses and a husband who's one of the biggest directors in hollywood like that's enough no but it got it got her you know three seasons yeah i wouldn't say she was miscast no i don't think she vibed with

1:05:04Claudia Oshry:the group i think amanda was miscast yeah perhaps but i don't know i could see her having a better second season out of their bounds i do feel like nobody understands her and i don't understand i'm not i'm not sure what there is to understand but like maybe once we understand her and get to know her it will all click and i do think towards the end of the season i was like getting to some place of like understanding um but the women don't so it doesn't work but i could see next season like

1:05:29Jackie Oshry:her just finding a better way to show who she is and making some connections i could see it i don't

1:05:36Claudia Oshry:like i'm not totally out on her but it just must be like hard to go up against like rachel's first season which was a yeah a slam dunk that's sad yeah yeah and then you know kyle and dorit fighting

1:05:48Jackie Oshry:some more i can't stand kyle oh my god yeah and erica and dorit fighting and they're so funny

1:05:53Claudia Oshry:because like during the break dorit like goes to get makeup out of this like little chanel pouch and erica's like i got that for her and erica's like i got that is that the one i got for you and dorit's like yeah that's how meaningful you were in my life and erica's like yeah and you were meaningful to me too they're like fighting over who cared about each other love each other then they're like fucking bitch like that's so funny at the start of the episode like and he's like do you guys think there can be any resolution today? And Dorit was like, I'm open. And Erica's like, I'm not hopeful.

1:06:20Jackie Oshry:Well, the thing is, is that I do feel like there's a lot of love between Dorit and Erica. And if it weren't for Kyle, I do think there would be an easier path forward. But with Kyle and Dorit, I think there's no love. There's nothing. Like there's nothing worth saving. They should not be friends. They really shouldn't. We shouldn't even bother trying. Erica and Dorit, I feel like there's stuff there, but Erica's closeness with Kyle makes it almost impossible.

1:06:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah. and then erica spoke about her new relation she shared some more intimate details about her relationship with tom and how like things were not as it seemed i mean like there's a lot that we knew that came out more recently but just like andy cited you know a lot of the times tom was on the show and he always like played this like starry-eyed husband he'd go backstage at erica's shows and like was that all an act and erica was like yeah no i wonder that too but like ultimately he didn't come to see me on broadway like i don't think he supported me he didn't think I was going to even get the show when I because Andy was like how did he feel about you going on the show and she was like he didn't think I was going to get it and then when she did there was

1:07:23Jackie Oshry:like nothing you could really say I need a really bad first season I wonder if he was like really mad I forget about that time when like Erica was on and like she brought him to like two dinners before he was like really really old and he was just like so rude and weird remember with Lisa

1:07:36Claudia Oshry:and Ken I actually don't remember feeling that way and I feel like if he was rude and weird we probably all chalked it up to like him being just like older and no no he had like a couple

1:07:47Jackie Oshry:of really bad looks that first season and then he stopped like she literally like didn't let him film anymore or he didn't film anymore sure well the place looks great it always does let's dive into Queenie and Weenie our final segment of the week where Jackie and I like to take a look back at the week give it you know wrap it up in a bow give out two awards Queenie and Weenie of the week they're pretty self-explanatory don't be upset if you find yourself Weenie one week you could be Queenie another it's a seven day title let's start with Queenie I think I'll go first okay I'd like to share my Queenie of the week because I think what this person did this week should be

1:08:24Jackie Oshry:supported should be I want I want other people to like want to be Queenie of the week because and so they'll do what Dylan Sprouse did they'll protect like you don't hear enough about just like a man protecting his family you know and that's exactly what Dylan Sprouse did and I love him for it and he would have been my queen of the week like anytime he comes up because I just happen to love them as a couple but I love even more so what he did this week um and I do want to give

1:08:51Claudia Oshry:justice to you because I think people were accusing you of like not showering Rick Hilton with love and affection when he did yeah because the same thing happened and I didn't say it was like hot

1:09:00Jackie Oshry:I think that you did, though. I kind of think I did, too. I think it's attractive when, like, men stand their ground and defend their homes. Yeah.

1:09:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I agree. And I think that's a good one. Great. Thank you. I'm going to give my Queenie of the Week to an entity.

1:09:18Jackie Oshry:Okay.

1:09:19Claudia Oshry:I'm going to give it to Hulu. They had a big week.

1:09:21Jackie Oshry:You know what? Yeah. They're really crushing it.

1:09:23Claudia Oshry:Job well done, you know? Yeah. In the all hands. Like, we can pat ourselves on the back.

1:09:28Jackie Oshry:We're crushing it.

1:09:28Claudia Oshry:Pat yourself on the back. These shows better be good.

1:09:31Jackie Oshry:And they better come. So many things get announced and never come. So true. My weenie of the week is somebody, like, it's, I'm going to say who it is, and it's not even for one thing. I feel like there were, like, three things this week that I kept making fun of Andy Cohen for. First of all, his attitude on Watch Happens Live was so fucking crazy. Like, I just think that would be weenie of the week. Second of all, that statement he put out today about, like, the hurts and the feelings of the cast and the crew, like, please grow up. And the third, he hyped up this week's episode of Summer House far too much.

1:10:00Jackie Oshry:That's three strikes. You're a weenie.

1:10:02Claudia Oshry:I just want to say I am the hardest on Andy Cohen. Like I really am. Like he's sort of entering Ben Platt territory for me. Oh no. But I was actually having an opposite thought when I was watching the Beverly Hills reunion last night. I was like, he's really masterful at the reunions. And so many other shows get reunions now and nobody can really do it. And like he manages. And yes, a couple of times he fucked up. Monique and is like I'm not gonna go back there a couple times he has like waited but for the most part he asks every question that we need to hear he navigates the conversation successfully he never you know doesn't ask the follow-up question the thing that we want to hear next he knows how to like move these conversations along between like huge personalities and he said last night he's done like 150 reunions and like that's really masterful I completely agree it's interesting

1:10:51Jackie Oshry:that not one other network not one other person has been able to successfully been able to master the art of the reunion hosting it's obviously very hard he is the best he's a generational talent honestly and of course he's not perfect Monique V Candace of course but I I agree and he doesn't

1:11:07Claudia Oshry:get his flowers enough for that no and clearly no one else can do it also requires like a lot of hours of watching the shows and some of them he probably doesn't like or doesn't care about not every season is amazing. But he watches them. But like he does it and he just like knows how to make a reunion. And I like yesterday must have been so grueling. But like I know for a fact we're getting what we need because he's at the helm.

1:11:28Jackie Oshry:I sat behind him on a flight once. It was a six hour flight. He watched episodes and I could tell it was screeners because it had like the clock on the left corner. He watched the entire time. And in his books, which are like diaries of his days for like over the course of like a year, he has he's like watched 10 episodes today. He really does watch everything.

1:11:45Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I mean, he has to. There's no way to phone that in. Yeah. So just to say something nice about him. Don't get used to it. You're weenie? Don't get used to it. I don't have a weenie. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm being positive, you know?

1:11:58Jackie Oshry:Well, that's our show. That's our week. Thank you all for a splendiferous week. And we'll see you. Oh, somebody told me a better way to wrap up the show. Okay. Well, the place looks beautiful. It always does. thank you so much for listening to the Toss and Lennon Morning Show we deliver the fast five stories and we'll see you tomorrow

1:12:27Claudia Oshry:love ya bye

1:12:35Jackie Oshry:spring just slid into your DMs grab that boho look for that rooftop dinner those sandals that can keep up with you and hang some string lights to give your patio a glow up. Spring's calling. Ross, work your magic.