Lex vs. Lix: Wednesday, February 26th, 2025

26:15But I mean, like if she wants to do long form content, she should be a YouTube vlogger more than she should be a podcaster. So I think that she should have left unwell because she should have left the podcasting space. Yeah. But I do think it's deeper than that. But I don't think that's why she left. Maybe she I don't know if she enjoyed being a podcaster. Well, she might still be a podcaster and she might still lug all that luggage because part of her YouTube channel will still be sitting on the couch talking. But recognizing that people aren't listening to it as much as they're watching it. But still, you want to have all that production.

26:45So I don't know. She has the IP to her show, which was also interesting. but yeah when I saw that like I feel like there's no way Alex Cooper could not have given her the IP after everything that happened with call her daddy that's exactly what Alex and Sophia wanted and what Alex ultimately got was like the rights to her show and to her name and everything that she built so if she had withheld that from Alex Earl I think that would just it wouldn't have looked good so bad so smallly bad so she parted ways with her gave her the show because previously that's what she would have wanted. But also you have to think about like how Unwell needs to look at this.

27:23Like everyone's watching, right? Seeing how these two go their separate ways. But Unwell is currently in the process of their business where they're growing. They're signing talent. They're signing pre-existing shows. They just got that girl Avery's podcast. They're creating new shows with new talent like Grace. And so you want to be perceived as a network that like isn't good to work with, right? We're trying to get everyone to sign with us. So if you're over here stealing Alex Earl's IP like I don't know if that like makes you look good to potential podcasters who might sign with you yeah I know I think that she had to give yeah that up with especially with like the call her daddy for sure of your and so I mean there's just so many layers to this so now like talking about the actual drama between these two there's a lot of rumors um what I have heard is that there is like definitely bad blood between them.

28:13And it has been going on for a really long time. And I think that it, when they, when they launched like, you know, the Call Her Daddy episode of Alex Earl and Alex Earl's new show, it was like this big media thing. It was like good for a couple of months and it really hasn't been good since then. And a lot of it had to do with the episode of Call Her Daddy that Alex Earl was on and Alex Earl not being happy with some of the questions she was asked and actually had it having requested edits be made of things she didn't want to talk about. and those edits not being honored. And then her dad coming on to manage her and her sister, bringing like another level of protection because I do think a lot of the stuff that Alex, what I had heard, this is all alleged and like potentially untrue.

28:52What I had heard was that a lot of the stuff that Alex Earl wanted removed from that initial episode of Call Her Daddy had to do with her family. You know, she has a lot of family drama. Her dad had a very famous affair with Ashley Dupree, who was Elliot Spitzer, the governor of New York. She was like this madam and she had this like black book of clients and it was like this crazy thing. And the biggest one was the mayor of New York governor. Excuse me. Right. Elliot Spitzer. But it turns out one of the other men in the black book of like the wealthy men of the tri-state area was Alex Earl's dad.

29:20They actually ended up getting married. So that's Alex Earl's stepdad by now. Yeah. She has a very interesting family story, but it's like not her story to tell. It's a little traumatic. And so I think that Alex and the family were very unhappy with how the call her daddy episode came out and they had requested some things be taken out. and that wasn't honored in addition to some of the questions about sex that Alex Ehrlich wasn't comfortable answering, but those were also included against her will. So what I have heard was that it's kind of been bad from the beginning. And then there's like a lot of inter-business drama, like behind the scenes, because these two girls for a while shared a publicist.

29:56Now the publicist no longer works with Alex Cooper. And I think the publicist gets a lot of credit for bringing Earl to Unwell. These two together. Bringing these two together, yeah. Yeah, and so that's definitely suspicious. Like, now you're only working with Alex Earl. It makes, it begs the question. That she took a side because there was a side to take because there was drama. Right? Like, if we're just extrapolating, interpolating. Like, it's definitely an interesting tidbit that could point to larger issues, but could also just be a coincidence. Like, not everyone works together forever. like either one of them could have moved on another reason that like I know that there's something like bad between them is because you were just saying August 2023 is when they signed the unwell Alex Earl deal it is what month is it February so that means the contract was probably up August 2025 was probably a two-year deal it's been a year and a half it's been a year and a half so that means that like they really couldn't even work together for the next four or five months just to save face and like end this peacefully, like finish out the terms of your contract.

31:03The fact that like they made it a year and a half out of two years, I had heard that the contract was up in the summer. And I think also it makes sense. You would sign like a two-year. That's how podcast contracts work. I don't know a podcast contract that's really less than a year. And it's usually like one year, two year, three year deals. So you couldn't even like finish out the last couple of months. It's so bad. There's something going on. Yeah, of course there's something going on. And then also the use of the word dropped. like that is one final like middle finger to Alex Earl because it makes her look unsuccessful but that we know to be not true so that's why it's even more nefarious it's similar to like TNN dropping Josh Peck like your biggest most recognizable star who's actually doing a good job why yeah unless we unless we have beef with Josh Peck right and then you want to give him the finger on his way out the door.

31:56Correct. So I and a way for like them to control the narrative a little bit. And who knows what Alex Earl will do if she'll say anything or if she's just happy to be gone and it's going to continue on her merry way. And it's interesting to note that when TikTok was like dying, you know, the days leading up to the TikTok ban, Alex Earl launched a YouTube channel. So a separate channel. She has the hot mess channel, which has, I think, like a pretty decent following it's really hard to grow a youtube channel no matter how big your other platforms are you know so but she also so she does hot mess with her sister mostly and they like do remote episodes right so in its second season which just started a couple of months ago it the cover art changed to both girls but alex still does some episodes by herself like with braxton and like her college friends um so i had thought that it was being rebranded to like the Earl girls show which I think it totally should have been yeah um but now it seems like like six days ago still do that I think that's been good for them so I think she's still 265 ,000 subscribers on the hot mess subscribe YouTube channel which is really good yeah I think she's still gonna do that when you think about it like her episodes they do really well right like between 100 and 200 ,000 views on YouTube per video that's really good but if you watch like her vlogs on TikTok like this girl's used to getting like five million views every video.

33:19You can't compare a TikTok view to a YouTube video long form video. Of course not but all I'm saying is like how much more work is this podcast episode for 200 ,000 views as opposed to a vlog on your TikTok that you could also do long form on your YouTube that's cheaper to produce and is going to yield better results. Yeah but like you have to if it's a podcast looking at like say 150 ,000 downloads per episode for a podcast is really strong in the podcasting world. In the podcasting world. All's that to say that I think the lesson here, and I have felt this way from the beginning is Alex Earl never should have like her next big thing in her career should have not been a podcast.

33:54It makes no sense. It's, it's definitely an old older thing. It's not very Gen Z. It's for somebody who got so popular because everybody's obsessed with watching her, like her looks, her fashion, her makeup, her glam, her friends, her parties. Like you really, that doesn't translate on a podcast. Podcast is really conversational. And so it was just the wrong thing for her to do. Not that it was wrong to go to Unwell. There is a conversation to be had about like forking over a percentage of your ad sales to a network like Unwell, whereas you could go to any other network and you have a better rev share, but like you give up more money of your ad revenue to be supported by Unwell because you like, there's so many benefits to that.

34:33Yeah. So you could have the conversation about whether she should have gone down well or not but I think the conversation is like I don't think she should have had a podcast ever yeah well that's like in the hindsight hindsight is 20 times you think she'll still do continue doing a podcast if I were her I would not it is too much work for too little reward because look she has now her own personal YouTube channel that she has promoted I saw one time 120 ,000 subscribers so that's half the the the podcast channel does but she literally launched it a month ago and has promoted it once and she's done three videos like if she just got into the groove of posting about her youtube channel once a week doing a vlog like for life the parties miami the events braxton like she would be a huge youtuber like the biggest vlogger okay and it's just it's a it's a lower lift especially given how much she travels like to travel with four suitcases of equipment like all right to do it one time for like the super bowl sure every time she goes somewhere she went to mykonos on this tiny little plane i kept thinking where's her podcast equipment like it's too much work for a gal on the go yeah what's in my opinion the camera like cameras tripods lights micro no she has like a full-blown setup yeah but that and it looks great that's because of the youtube right but you could also make a really premium youtube video with um like a canon g7x which is the size of a coffee and like traveling Bluetooth microphones.

36:00Like, like seriously something you could keep in a laptop case. You can make really premium content. Yeah. Just saying. Yes. And I think that's more so what people want to see from her and less like conversations. Although there have been episodes of her podcast that people really loved. The one with her dad, people really liked. Obviously the ones with Braxton, people really like. So that just like points to people being interested in you, you know? Podcasts are conversational. You interview people, like you talk about random things. They just like her. They want to see her, her life, like kind of reality show vibes.

36:28Yeah. Well, that could be next for them. I do feel like sometimes her content like is trending that way when she's like, oh, girls, like that's obviously the name of their show. And it's adorable. Yeah. It's I don't know why it hasn't happened yet. That feels like a no brainer. Yeah. But the thing is, is like becoming a reality star these days does not yield even 5 % as much money as being one of the world's biggest TikTokers. And it takes up all your time. Like Alex Earl is making so much money on the things that really take her the least amount of time, which is like short form content on YouTube.

36:58I mean, excuse me, on TikTok. So for her to then like, you know, do an hour long weekly podcast like these things, I think reality TV show would be great for her fame wise. It would take up a lot of her time and you don't get paid like that much compared to the money she's making from like brand deal. She's launching a liquor company now. But think of like, I'm thinking like D 'Amelio's on Hulu. How much do you think they got paid by Hulu? like average reality tv amounts like that i think they did that for to align themselves with hulu i think it was a part of a big partnership because they were both on dancing with the stars when it streamed on hulu and i also think that was like a fame thing because they were very internet and i think that really gave them like a global like uh people who like your grandparents might have heard of it because they saw it on hulu yeah you know yeah so we'll see what happens next do you think Alex Earl is gonna say something about this and like be like here's my truth no because the interesting thing about Alex Earl is that she has had incredible success on social media without really doing like drama content I think a lot of people like thrive off of views from like scandal and drama and friend breakups even I think with Zandra she like barely spoke about she referenced it once in a podcast episode she never even said Zandra it could have been anyone like she actually does not do drama like she likes to just like live her life and post about it so it's actually really refreshing and so I think someone else would like see this as an opportunity to like get views and clicks I don't think she sees that way like she's had success without that she doesn't need it yeah that's what I think but again I'm just talking like out of my ass yeah I think it's like if nothing more happens then it will stay quiet but if another but Alex Earl could be mad the dropped the dropped was a knife yeah yeah so I think I think she might be able to let that go and just like carry on because as you said she doesn't like drama but i don't know i think if more if more happens this is like what we said about brianna and grace remember we're like if nothing more happens they could be friends again right right oh and then of course speaking of grace oh yes portnoy chimed in this was really funny because dave portnoy posted a tiktok of a screenshot of him having had a call with alex earl new cell phone number for 22 minutes and then he was playing circle of life in the background and drinking so people immediately like forgot all the history here and were like dave is signing alex earl no he's not he actually commented i didn't even call her it was a joke because when brianna and grace broke up and grace left barstool like five minutes later alex cooper posted a video of a screenshot of her phone call with grace being like i'm on it so he was just copying he said but i didn't talk to her yeah and alex earl would never go to barstool like that's a it's a unilateral move yeah no she wouldn't but it was just a funny thing that he posted and then it points to like is there drama between dave and Alex Cooper.

39:36So that's what I want to talk about because that's sort of one of the unanswered questions from all this. I feel like after the grace thing, we never got confirmation because sometimes things have happened between Alex Cooper and Dave. And we're like, are these two still friends? And they're always like, yeah, like we see each other as business people. We're good. But after the grace thing, I feel like there's actually beef. And then him making this video, it's like you wouldn't do that to a friend. Yeah. And they usually like they usually let us know like we're good but I feel like they're not I don't know it might just be like a business adversary yeah like where it's like we're not going to start stuff because it's like it's not personal but it's not like we're best friends and I would trust you right I do think though Unwell needs to replace Alex's star you know they have this big new deal with Sirius XM and I think a part of that deal is like hitting these download benchmarks every month that Alex Cooper excuse me Alex Earl was probably helping with.

40:36So they do need another big name there. Yeah. I wonder who it's going to be. I think they're already in acquisition mode. Yeah. Between scooping up shows that are already successful and that already exist. And then creating new shows with new talent, which is what they did with Alex Earl. So I'll be very interested to watch this saga. It's fascinating. Yeah. And then they also had the other drama recently. Oh, yes. Do you know about it? Did I tell? The Jesus drama. You told me a little bit about it. And then I saw like a transcript of what was said. So I was just talking about one of the podcasts they acquired was this girl, Avery, who's like a big TikToker.

41:11She started a podcast and then Unwell acquired it. And so I guess to like promote her new, you know, career on Unwell, she went on another Unwell podcast, Harry Jowsey, our favorite. Harry Jowsey, our fave. And they had a convo that people were really unhappy with. First of all, people were just like, Avery's thing is that she's like a mom of three. She's married. She just like she has kind of an ordinary life, but she's made it, you know, extraordinary. And it's like it's fun. I like it. Funny mom content. Yes, exactly. Comedic take. Comedic. Real moms being real, you know. Yeah. And funny. And so she's having this conversation with Harry Jousey.

41:47And the pushback was twofold. The first was that like just the episode was inappropriate. Like she was just like flirting with Harry and she's married. I mean, Harry, would you fuck me? Like I like don't worry. I had three C-sections. My pussy's pristine. and people really didn't like that. Because what are you implying? Women who go vaginally don't have prostate disease. It was not good. She pissed off moms, which is not a group you want to piss off. And then she also pissed off the Christian community because she was saying, and it got her point at first. She was making a point of being like, the people who leave the nastiest comments on my social media always have a Bible verse in there.

42:23Yeah, that's like, people have been, people have said that. So that wasn't what people took umbrage with. That's not like a new thought. No, and it wasn't what people were offended by. She was basically saying like the hypocrisy of being a troll with a Bible verse in your bio isn't lost on me. But then she took it a little far being like, and please, like if Jesus saw you, like he would bend you over and fuck you raw without a condom or something. And it was like, holy shit. No, it like didn't stop here. I have the quote. Okay. Yeah. But then I'm saying it. I know. And I just said it. And like, don't clip that.

42:55I don't believe that. I love my Christian community. Okay. instead of Jesus like I'm just gonna say blank so that I can't be taken out blank is going to spank you lady if you keep it up he's gonna bend you over and fuck your ass blank is gonna go poop pirate on your ass if you keep up this bullshit they deserve it with no lube with no lube right that's what they say and what is poop pirate do I even want to know I I think it's what you think you know I actually I don't even have a thought I don't know what that is like I just urban dictionary i have a thought so tell me if i'm right like i'll tell you if it's like an obvious like i i feel like it's like just the obvious progression of like what she's saying okay it's literally not on it's like not coming up on urban dictionary oh maybe it's an original term okay we found it no it says a poop pirate is a person who lurks outside restrooms and waits for you to leave so they can rush in and sniff the toilet see it that's not what i was thinking i don't know if that's what she meant but anyway so this is actually a very big controversy like i have been seeing it a lot and i did i'm she's very much like a tiktok person and i am not um and then she released a video because like it was becoming too big to ignore and she was like the whole podcast was scripted like she was actually like a really bad she didn't clear anything up for me got it so they just came out of that one now into this one right but that's on just working with influencers and being on the internet and to be honest like that's the sign of a healthy business in this industry like if you're not being talked about positively or negatively like you're nobody so it's like a tough part of the business but it is like a sign of life yeah so now this we'll see what happens next yeah are you ready for our next story Travis Kells is making news in two parts one he's saying how he listens to Taylor Swift's music when he's depressed he said she has something for every mood so him and jace face got a little emo on the pod talking about what kind of music they like to listen to when they're down in the dumps so uh travis had said that he listens to taylor songs when he's depressed because she has something for everything and jason agreed that no matter what mood you're in you can find some taylor music to relate to then he said it's true it's a universal truth and then jason said that he He prefers sad country when he's feeling down.

45:18He said, no matter how bad I'm feeling, there's a country guy who is singing about it and feeling way worse for me. And that gives me joy. Stop, they're such like girls. I love the way they talk about this. Also, I'm on like the really like truly ill side of social media where people were freaking out about this episode because he wasn't in his studio, Travis. And like people have been speculating for a couple of weeks that him and Taylor are on vacation because they haven't been spotted. And it's like him recording a podcast. It was just like a couch. It was like totally a hotel villa or something.

45:46Kind of confirms like they're on vacation. Like, okay. So they're on vacation. Like his work just ended. Her work just ended. It's called like when your vacation dates align. Like it wasn't, but like everybody's like, they're on vacation. It's President's Week. People have off. So I guess this confirmed that for them. And then also the Chiefs GM reveals that Travis was battling a pretty big illness ahead of the Super Bowl loss. So he didn't say what it was. he said we're never going to make excuses and talk about it but i mean yeah he was battling with a pretty big illness there before the super bowl he said it probably like considering the way that the eagles played it wouldn't have made a difference how he was feeling um but that yeah he was sick he didn't share the diagnosis but to me like what comes to mind is like i was sick for the super bowl too and i felt really really bad and maybe travi felt maybe he had the flu covid long flu as well and i want to say i know he's one of the greats but michael jordan like really ruined this excuse for other people because he like famously won the NBA championships with like the flu and he was like he had like 105 fever he's like vomiting and shitting on the sidelines and he played like the greatest game of his life and it's like one of these famous sports hero stories and like so if Michael Jordan can do it why can't Travis you know even though being sick is like such a valid excuse normalize like not being able to do your best no and like in this day and age like if you play sick and you're like contagious with other people like you're canceled and i actually think it's no longer admirable no it's like you seriously could lose everything i actually think travis probably had covid and that's why he won't say what it is because for years you super spreader football if you hadn't been exposed to someone who had it so yeah take a positive test and then like go sweat on everybody can i love this theory i love this theory he totally the super bowl was a super spreader event 100 and now he's detoxing on in a warm destination because that's like good for his sinuses because he had covid and maybe he has the sun too the sun is so good for his for those types of symptoms correct the oceans aren't closed anymore and also vitamin t vitamin lurd vitamin lurd which is so good for the sinuses it is it's good for the soul you got to heal you love to see you love to see like two grown men who were like from the sports world, rub some dirt in it.

48:06Talking about like music and emotions. It's beautiful. Yeah. Travis said he listens to music that is very telling of his mood. Okay, we need him to go public on Spotify. Sounds like a children's book. Go public on Spotify. Yeah, prove it. Prove it. And I just want to say like Travis, you can listen to music that's not Taylor's. I feel like he does listen to Taylor's music, but he like says like, oh yeah, I only listen to Taylor. But like what else do you listen to? It's okay to like listen to a bunch of different things. not only your girlfriends. I think he really likes LMFAO. Are you joking?

48:37No, I'm serious. That's something that I got from watching Catching Kelsey. He had them at a party and everyone was so excited. Party rock. Those were his guys. I think that's his favorite kind of music, party rock anthem. Got it, got it. And that tracks. That's beautiful. But not when he's feeling sad. Do they have any ballads? Sorry for party rocking. That one. I'm sorry for the rock. I love it. He also said the only way you can find yourself in the light is to find yourself in the dark first. An unfortunate truth. I'm trying to think about that. I feel like it's easier to find yourself in the light.

49:23Well, you're speaking from your own point of privilege. Yes. I'm speaking from like just practically speaking like it's easier to find oneself in the light. Oh, I think he wasn't speaking in a physical sense. I think it was speaking in a spiritual sense. But yes, if I'm looking for something and the light is on, it's obviously way more helpful. But I understand what Travis means. He probably saw that Michael Phelps commercial too. Yeah, no. Travis is like reading off a quote card from like brainyquotes.com. But it's like one that was like botched. Like left on the cutting room floor. No, it's just like they like mistyped it wrong.

49:59But I understand what you mean, Travi. And I'm so glad he made it to the big game. I'm so glad my Travi made it to the big game, even though he had COVID and he played like arse. He played real lame. Oh, that's good. One of my favorite fun facts is that the name Claudia is actually a Latin translation of the word lame, which feels right. I don't believe you. Oh, you don't? No, I'm Googling it. I've always known that to be true. And actually one of Ben's parents, friends just gave me a gift, like the book of a thousand names is really sweet. And of course, you know, the first thing you do is like, look up your own name.

50:39And the definition is lame. In English, Claudia is a girl's name. That means lame or enclosure. It comes from the Latin word cloudus, which means lame or crippled. I told you. And I do feel like lame and enclosure. Like that's me. Like I'm always in some sort of enclosure, whether it's like my bed. That's so funny. That's like those videos of like here are words that would be beautiful names except for what they mean. Like mean syphilis. That would be a beautiful name. Yeah. If it didn't mean disease. It's really unfortunate. I don't know if gallbladder would be a beautiful name. I saw one that was like oatmeal.

51:22No, that's not good. That's not good. Oh, my gosh. Funny. Okay, lame. it's jackson layman we're your host what does jackie mean what story number are we on who knows i know i'm just um claudia if you have to ask then you know did you see that oh three i sent claudia a funny comment which is apparently every day she says what well and some days we move at such crazy pace i can't believe we're only on the third story and we're already at an hour like Like, do you know what I mean? Are we at an hour? Yeah, and that's why I'm like, you're dilly-dallying so hard. Get to the story. Jackie comes from meaning God is gracious, holder of the heel, and supplanter.

52:07That's so wrong. I need to talk to our parents. Like, that is so wrong. Supplanter. Lame and holder of the universe. What was it? It's Jackson Holder. Like, it's so wrong. Okay, I'll go to the next story. And you know what? I might skip over one story, okay? Will that make you feel better? the second day in a row that we only did four stories and i feel like the show did not suffer like two or three with unwell because we did like unwell that we did avery and we did dade grace it's so true um and claudia says we're at an hour but our next story is it's like some tragically beautiful news actually jesus guerrero's family is thanking kylie jenner for covering the hairstylist's funeral expenses and plan to honor him the best way that they can so first of all i want to correct because we were saying his name wrong the other day and it's jesus no jesus you No, you literally said it right back to me.

52:55I thought you were going to call. Well, because you said it first. Oh, but then. I assumed that you knew something I didn't know. Oh, okay. But you didn't know it any more than I did. You're the leader. You are like the leader. You're always correcting me. You're always. Oh, I wouldn't dream of it. I wouldn't dream of ever correcting you. Of how I say things. But anyways, not only is she covering his funeral cause, she put out like a really beautiful tribute yesterday. And I think that they were even closer than people expected them to be. Like he's been with her for a very long time. And I think one of the kids friends, she shared videos and photos of them traveling and in her home, like not just working together, but just like living together.

53:27And she shared how like he was a light who got her through so many dark times. So I think she's really grieving. I also know she wasn't at the SAG Awards with Timmy on Sunday. I think because this was all very, like I think that's, I think she would have been there otherwise. Yeah, no, because they've been together at most award shows. And like last week, I actually was just looking at pictures. Timothy hosted a Cartier event. It was like a poker party. And Kylie, like I just saw, They had a bunch of like film photos developed and Kylie's like there at Chateau Marmont, like playing poker with Cartier.

53:58So yes, they're like very much supportive of one another, especially when it comes to award seasons. And Kylie's definitely going through it right now. And her paying for the funeral costs is like, I don't know why people like act surprised. Like she's actually very generous and this is like no skin off her back. I'm sure she's doing more than that, like setting his family up with stuff. So she's a queen. This is such a sad story. And so many more tributes have been rolling. And actually was just reading a really beautiful one this morning from Shay Mitchell, who has worked with him for many years.

54:21and it seemed like he was really um like good with kids too because so many of the things that i've seen is like pictures of him and everybody's kids yeah that's really it's really sad it is really sad um but they had a go fund me set up for his funeral costs and then she covered the whole thing so they said like um the other the money that was raised previously will go towards costs associated with securing his belongings home and other unexpected expenses to settle his assets so that just like makes this really difficult time a little bit easier for his family which is very kind and I did see the GoFundMe and like I wanted to see like what celebrities had donated because you can like look by like the most you could sort the donator like the amount the the donations by amounts and so many celebrities like donating between like one and five thousand dollars um a bunch of anonymous people in there with like 10k so I don't know who that was but it seems like this was like a person who who a lot of people worked with but also really loved yeah yeah so it's a really sad story.

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58:31oh fuck i love breaking news real housewife karen huger gets a far longer prison sentence than she expected for her dui she has been sentenced to two years in jail with one year suspended over her dui conviction huger arrived in court on wednesday with her husband ray to learn her fate following her convictions for several driving under the influence offenses after she crashed her maserati in maryland in march 2024 prosecutors had asked for the bravo star to serve six months in jail but the judge gave her the highest possible sentence as it was not her first dui it wasn't huger's lawyers asked the judge to go soft on her arguing she was grieving her parents death and struggling with antidepressants they said mrs huger's mother died on thanksgiving morning in 2017 for kidney failure and sepsis her father died seven months later on june 18 from the complications of alzheimer's and of a broken heart those two losses in quick succession were for miss huger personally devastating and in her opinion may have been the straws that broke her back arguably leading to several errors in judgment however she was found guilty of driving at a speed too high for the conditions before she ultimately struck a median and two signs now she has been sentenced with two years in prison i had no idea that like jail time was even on the table for karen huger and i don't know if i necessarily knew that you could go to jail for a dui every time i think of like celebrities with duis like it's like slap on the risk community service paying a fine uh justin timberlake i need to make that cringe video i think it's very different if it's your first versus your second and also every state has different laws but like i just didn't know that this was even an option well and also some people get a dui and they go to jail for a few days or a week like right chloe kardashian chloe paris hilton era but again different for your first versus your second and i just want to get clarity because they said two years in jail with one year suspended does that mean net net one year in jail Yeah, that's what it sounds like, but I'm sure, I don't know what the hell that means.

1:00:22I'm shocked. I'm also so conflicted. You know how I feel about DUIs. Punish them to the highest extent of the law. It's seriously the dumbest, most dangerous, selfish, disgusting thing you could do. But Karen Huger is my fucking queen. And I know she's better than this, and I know she has a good heart. But she did that shit, so I don't know. I'm really confused. Yeah. no and um she had been arrested i think in like 2006 for drunk driving like they like it strikes established a pattern matter that is not something you could do once let alone more than once and now she's serving up to a year in jail i guess it definitely seems harsh especially because the prosecution was only going for six months and like that right like the judge said hold my beer.

1:01:10Like you really can kill someone and she crashed. It's not like she just was pulled over they noticed she was being weird like she literally crashed and that could have been a person. And then she would be facing like I don't know what the law is in that state but a lifetime in jail. So this is the third housewife to go to prison. Teresa Jen Shaw. Have there been any others? Like Luann's been arrested but she didn't go to jail. And Luann was just being drunk and disorderly like she was drunk at a hotel and then like slapped a cop which is terrible. but different than a DUI. So I understand why the, it's just also crazy because like, I feel like they're, I just, I almost wish I didn't get this news breaking because I need time to digest it.

1:01:50Like I'm feeling, you know, this is so personal to me, DUIs, but also Karen Huger. It's not very grand dame of her. It's seriously. No, this is really shocking. The length. The extent. Yeah. Especially because she's like an older woman. I don't know. It's just like really sad. But I guess it not being your first, like makes a huge difference. With all crime. Yeah, yeah. Like, she's got a rap sheet. Yeah. So. Shit. We'll see what happens there. Now, speaking of Bravo, time for a real high-sues event. I don't know how to transition. Like, I'm serious. I can't get over this. I know. Not expected at all.

1:02:27I also can't see her in jail. I can't picture it. Teresa, I could picture. Jen Shah, I could picture. Like, these are tough broads. No, Karen is so tough. Karen is so tough. She is, but she's a fragile old woman. That's true. She's a 60-year-old. She's also grieving as they shared. And it probably hasn't been the same since. That's really traumatizing. But it doesn't mean you can get behind the wheel of your car drunk and on pills. Oh, my God. Okay. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I just need to quickly shift my mindset. Two episodes. Caviar Caspia. Fourth of July party. Caviar Caspia. Like, seriously, bring me a fucking baked potato with caviar right now.

1:03:03Yeah. The Fourth of July party had so much potential to be a fun afternoon because it just looked pargy. Like she made it really nice. And it was destroyed. And it seemed like nobody wanted to be there already. Yeah. They were looking for an excuse. And unfortunately the first three people who came were like the people, the we hate Dorit clubs. So the vibes were off from the start. But then everyone's like complaining that it's hot. Like it's 4th of July in California. Of course it's hot. Like can everyone cheer up? This is a beautiful party. Look at that spread. Look at that hot dog cart. The hot dog.

1:03:30When it comes to Dorit and Sutton, I'm like so fiercely team Dorit. With the events at the July 4th thing, like Dorit wasn't helping herself like for the first time I didn't find her like 100 % like defensible like she was being like a shit stir like starting stuff but she hates Sutton so like I get that when you hate someone like you start stuff yeah but like when you hate someone and you guys have beef like no you cannot make a joke like of course everything is taken out of context but I actually and in that moment of course like Dorit was wrong and then Sutton was wronger yep but then when she was explaining at Caviar Cuspia like if she was like if you just said to me like Dorit that upsets me don't say that like it just it would have changed like Sutton didn't have to react like that but it's really hard in the moment like and Sutton was already on one she came she didn't want to be there she waited she didn't want to be there the thing with the Birkin was very awkward she didn't want to be there and then the comment about the alcohol and she didn't want to be there but Sutton also acting like Dorit's the only one who ever commented about Sutton's alcohol consumption and then I love that they flash back to like everything that was said about it and like the thing is I think Sutton drinks a lot but I don't think she has a problem like there are plenty of people like that um yep so but the thing is I now no longer care about like who was right who was wrong about like the July 4th stuff because the caviar caspia wallet conversation was so crazy and somebody I saw on Twitter pulled a tweet I had forgotten about this moment where at a reunion this came up just like about her being very like hoity-toity about money and somebody asked Crystal like do you think Sutton Strack like wields her money as a weapon and like uses it to make herself feel secure.

1:05:01And Crystal was like, no, but that's because I have more money than her. When she was asking if it was directly about her. And so it's true where she sees like a lack of money because Dorit's money is very curious, right? She sees that as a weakness. And so, I mean, I understand that she's proud of how far she's come in this life, but like, it's really crazy. Yeah. Also, it seems like after July 4th, Sutton has been completely activated to become like the worst possible version of herself. She wants to take down Dorit at all costs and she's going to dig in on the fact that Dorit doesn't have a lot of money, which is like a really weird thing to do and not something that's probably going to play well with the Bravo audience.

1:05:37With the audience. Except I was looking on Twitter and people are like, yeah, like it's like they're here. Well, people have wanted Dorit's financial like situation to be brought up for a couple of years because there have been big stories that have largely been ignored, like his gambling debts, the tax stuff, the lawyer thing. They pay their rent. They pay their mortgage. They pay their taxes. They're still in the house. Like until something happens, I have to move on from it. It's true. She has new clothes. She has boxes everywhere. Everything she's wearing is this season. She's got farfetched receipts in the house.

1:06:06Like, I'm sorry. There's nothing there at the moment. I think when they get divorced, things will come to light. But as of right now, like it's it's. There's nothing. So but for her to decide, like, I'm going after Doreen. I'm going to make it about money was like seriously the worst idea. Strategy. She completely lost everyone, like all of the women. that's just like and and she's calling her in her confessional poor read like and the women in this particular group actually do not like to talk about money like you are on the wokest network like what do you think you're you think this is a sleigh yeah no and this is like one thing the women uh and they all like even though they all want everybody's drama to be brought to the forefront they never talk about Dorit's money stuff like money is something it's like in Beverly Hills with this particular group of women they don't talk about it like it's de classe it's Somewhere they don't go.

1:06:55So it really took, it immediately separated everyone from Dorit. Everybody took a step back. Talking about money is de classe. And I think the more money you have, the less you want to talk about it. Like someone like Sutton, who's obviously from money, married money, just has money pouring out of her purses and her wallets. Like is the last person who should talk about money because she is so much higher. And so what is she saying? Like her and Dorit aren't on the same level. That Dorit shouldn't start with her because she has more money. Like what is your money even, like not only, is that an awful thing to say?

1:07:25But like practically speaking, why can't you fight with someone who has more money? What are you going to do to her? Yeah, it's not a good argument. And Jennifer Tilly, who is really growing on me, she was being really funny this episode when talking about caviar. She was really growing on me. And I loved all the tidbits about the caviar. Like I seriously loved. She talks like a poor person, you know? Like she's like, when you go to Caviar Casper in Paris, you're usually hoping somebody else picks up the bill. And she is so funny. She's like, and I would eat all the caviar, except it's too expensive.

1:07:50Like she was acting poor. No, I mean, she's also like, I don't know what's the best kind I ordered the most expensive one I don't know if that's fast meanwhile she was being really cute right and it was like a really great display of like two women who have a wealth so much wealth Jennifer and Sutton and then like Sutton is being such a snob about the caviar saying how like Derrick can eat salmon roe like I know it's like stupid but it's so fucking classist like we're not we don't talk like that that's not how like civilized people talk to each other so like I think she completely buried herself with that and that she says in her commercial I'm proud I said it I would say it again two more times three like it's seriously crazy and whatever if Dorit was ever wrong which you know to me she never was she's certainly not now no she was she was never wrong but with the July 4th thing in particular like Sutton had a little bit of a leg to stand on like stop starting then at the table she was like when Dorit was like apologized and when Garcelle was like apologized to her and so she apologized didn't feel that genuine but then she was like no if I hurt your feelings I offended you like I am sorry I just would have wish you would have told me that that upset you and then think of all the things that Dorit could say to Sutton and she doesn't you know yeah she said in her confessional all your money's gotten you is a horse and not a date but she doesn't go there she does she has not sunk very low what to make a comment about her alcohol they all drink Dorit has a drink in her hand in every episode no it's so true but she's sort of opened the door now to talk about oh we're going low okay let's talk about the fact that you've literally have not earned a single dollar that you have you were born to it and you married it like okay so why does that make you better than me and by the way there i feel like there's even like meaner things that you could say what are you thinking of i feel like you're thinking of something i'll tell you like not something like specific not something like an event or anything like that I don't know what you're referring to like this big obvious thing okay we'll talk offline but anyways I just feel like I don't how do you even answer to that at the reunion while also having setting your confessional months later like I completely stand by that right but then I was also confused because the fans on Twitter like are on Sutton's side with that and they're like they are yeah they're like it's giving like nini leaks I'm rich bitch that's not what it was it It wasn't an empowering thing about oneself.

1:10:06It was putting someone else down. Yeah, and Nini was being pushed into a corner. They were doubting her success. She said, I cash Trump checks. I am rich, bitch. First of all, don't even compare yourself to the great Nini Leakes. You can never. Right, and Sutton wasn't saying, I'm an amazing, wealthy woman. Because if she wants to congratulate herself all day long, go ahead. No, but Nini's a self-made woman. That's why she could say shit like that. No, but it's also, then she didn't turn around and call someone poor. Right, right. She was just defending herself. Yeah. So if Sutton wants to talk about how much money she has, but not in relation to like what other people do or don't have.

1:10:42Okay, fine. It's about poor Reet. Yeah. Yeah. It's really crazy. When I heard her say poor Reet and I watched with subtitles, otherwise I might've missed it. God, I missed it. I texted you. I said, poor Reet? What? And I said, did you just make that up or did somebody say that? You're like, no, Sutton said it in her confessional. I was like, oh, I totally missed that. So she's going all in on this. Meanwhile, Dorita's going all in on her confessionals about Sutton when she was like, you could tell it's like all. Activated. Everything's off because she was like, I mean, I don't know why Sutton would have such an issue with me making a joke about her drinking unless there's something really dark and sinister there.

1:11:17And it's like, oh, she's going all in. And there's not. No, I know. There's not. But now we can say whatever we want. Now we can say whatever we want. Like we're just saying crazy things. Also, Faye Resnick with the icebreaker. by the way Faye Rastig was looking very pargy and she was really adding a lot to the conversation in the sense of jovial jests and ice breaking and Kathy's down in an appearance in two episodes back to back after being gone for most of the season and she's giving us nothing is she getting paid? even though I love Bo's but like Bo's sitting at Kathy's house being like Kyle's cold and like I don't get her and I don't like her and Kathy's like yummy that's so crazy that's your sister like don't let someone talk like that I want to say something about Bo's who I have loved and I still do.

1:11:59But like from the moment I met her, I haven't had a negative thing to say about her. And now after a couple of weeks, I have a negative thing to say. Being a first season housewife and coming on with a story like I want to get pregnant, even though like we know you're not like it's just a storyline. It's really unacceptable behavior. Like it's unacceptable behavior. It's such a trope, you know, like remember when that one season Melissa Gorga was like, I'm going to get pregnant. We're like, no, you're not. Like it's really it's bottom of the barrel when you're not going to do it. It's bottom of the barrel.

1:12:26I can't stand it. And also, thank you for reminding me, the most dreadful 10 minutes of my life was that scene with Kyle and her life coach. Like, how that passed. Got a snack. Went to the bathroom. Took my magnesium for the evening. Spoke to Bruno. How that passed the Bechdel test. Turned on the heated blanket for him. I don't know what was said. And by the way, I missed his subtitle of who his name is. So I had no idea who that person on her couch was. Life coach. I didn't know that. I thought, like, I don't know. Man, I don't know. I am filing a class action lawsuit to Bravo. If you'd like to join, send me a message.

1:13:00It was positively dreadful. Although she did say one thing. I fed my starter. Right. She did say one thing that made me feel for her. Because I feel like when we talk about divorce, we always talk about how the woman gets the house and she should. But Kyle was like, I almost wish I didn't because he gets to go have this fun new life in a new apartment. And I'm left here in this house that everybody used to be at. And because it's also timing up with like all of her kids being out of the house, she's like so aware of everything she's lost. While all he sees is this new exciting life. I was like, that actually does suck.

1:13:31Even though you would think like you should get the house. The house kind of is like a curse. Yeah, no, she's stuck with all the memories and all the tethers and the anchors. And he just gets like pick out Pardee furniture in a Pardee apartment. But also because their kids are out of the house, she does like Dorit should get her house. Her kids need her house. Yes, exactly. And then Dorit might wind up in an apartment. And that's not, that would be sad. It just really depends. when you have young kids like to keep some sense of stability like the mother keeps the house like it makes sense but with Kyle's kids being grown I'm like oh that does sound like kind of miserable and lonely yeah and like they just they moved in a few years ago but it takes time to settle and I'm sure she was probably like just starting to feel like at home and then it goes and changes again but yeah that was um that was a tough watch to answer what you said about Bo's and the pregnancy journey I don't mind it I found it very interesting however and at first when I'm like she's 47 and she wants to have a baby is like giving diana jenkins like and and these people haven't even said i love you yet oh no but i i'm like that's it's biblical it's fascinating and like if she could do it at 47 like i would love to see that but then to find out that she actually had two extremely high-risk pregnancies yes that she should not have another let alone an older that this is a bad idea and if she wants a baby like it's maybe uh a surrogate should have it or something then i'm like now i'm like what why i mean i'm sorry the idea that her and this man would have a baby together and they're like doing ultrasounds in her living room when they haven't even exchanged I love you's please stop wasting my time oh I didn't feel that way and I do love that like Bose brings everything in in house that was nice to see yes literally get a son get an ultrasound in your living room and I just want to say I love her and I haven't said a bad word about her and I won't again because the way she like blindly stands up for Dorit like that's the kind of support Dorit needs right now um and she is etched in my book best first of all she does always come in for Dorit but like she's not wrong in the things that she's saying like when she said that they're rude for being in the corner like I haven't found her to like blindly and wrongly defend Dorit yet not wrongly yeah she comes in she calls it how she sees it and she's she's been like 10 for 10 so far when Dorit when Erica said like everyone needs to be stop being so threatened by Dorit and Boz's friendship that's exactly what it is like two people just sometimes people click faster than other people you might think you get along with someone but they just connected with someone faster and stronger and like I think people are mad that Dorit has this person in her corner who is having her back and Dorit isn't like in a really fierce kind of way yeah Dorit isn't on an island and Erica has her back too but she also has Kyle's back and she definitely plays the fence plays yeah um but it's nice and the thing is Sutton also and Erica said this like Garcelle does the same thing for Sutton like always oh so if it's gonna be Dorit versus Sutton and Garcelle like she deserves to have and why not Dorit and Boaz right they just don't like it yeah they don't because bose is a formidable opponent yeah and i don't fuck around i do like their friendship and i'm glad that dorit has that has her i agree and then also i thought the window into dorit's room and kyle seeing that like really um put things into perspective when kyle was like dorit is a very meticulous person she's very clean like to see her bedroom look like this yeah it's so funny because dorit is so open and she gets accused of not being open when she's literally sitting down she's like I don't even see it I'm not myself like I would never like I don't see there's dead orchids there I can't see it like I feel like everyone is acts like she doesn't share what's going on but like it's literally right there in front of you so if she says an off remark like she's not herself and she's trying to tell everyone that no and there's no grace given yeah the boxes like that really was so crazy for someone who even her best friend knows like she wouldn't live like that yeah tomorrow we have summer house and i've been seeing whispers online that some of the spritz drama starts tonight if that's true i can't wait i saw that the text message she shows a text message i saw someone like as much as they could transcribe what's in the message like it's is this play about us yes i can't freaking wait i can't freaking wait not to make everything about us but you're gonna want to tune into tomorrow's summer house recap.

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