Loving Life Again: Thursday, March 26th, 2026

8:50Clara Wilkerson:You know, I heard that you're not supposed to have more than one electrolyte pack a day.

8:52Jackie Schimmel:You think so? Yeah. Why? There's a lot of sodium in them. Well, I don't always have my afternoon electrolytes. Like one a day is the max. But it's like my morning is just, it's sort of like a little tincture. It's not, I don't feel like it's like.

9:05Clara Wilkerson:I'm just saying. I don't feel like it's a full serving. I'm letting you know what I read on TikTok. She said that she's like an ER nurse and she sees so many people coming in with something specific. I couldn't remember what it is. Well, I'm thriving. So how about that? I think it was like kidney stones or something.

9:17Jackie Schimmel:Except for my sciatica. Unless that has to correlate to my sciatica. Otherwise, thriving.

9:23Clara Wilkerson:Yeah, I feel the same way about my coccidinia. And like just now when you see me like, oh, she's thriving. She's a successful podcaster, businesswoman, mother, sister, friend. Just know I am suffering so deeply multiple times a day, like getting out of the car. No, I am suffering so deeply. I need a forklift. I'm like the mom from Gilbert Grape.

9:37Jackie Schimmel:Like I need to be forklifted out of my car. In this chair in Mahjong, my sciatica has gotten so bad. What's so funny? My coccidinia doesn't show up at Mahjong. Oh my gosh. And I don't know what it is. Like I take my magnesium. It might just be like this phase of postpartum. But I do think when I'm done breastfeeding, like if it's really, really bad, I'm going to like inquire about. What's the treatment plan?

9:59Clara Wilkerson:I think a steroid shot. That's what it is for coccidinia. The biggest needle ever going right into your heart. Like into your bone. Oh, no. Yeah. For me, I've heard it's deeply painful. You know, for me, it's just like cheek pain, butt cheek. Yeah. I just feel like a little physical therapy is all you need.

10:14Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. Like those like quad stretches. But I'm sorry. I don't have time.

10:17Clara Wilkerson:Yeah. She's a businesswoman. A mother. A lover. A sister and wife. If she rolls over in the morning to the love of her life. That's you.

10:27Jackie Schimmel:That's so sweet.

10:28Clara Wilkerson:Yeah. That's so sweet. Us when we sleep together. Us. What was the last time we slept in the same bed? Like literally never. You're not like a co-sleeper with anyone but your kids. Like even when we were like younger, we would take trips. Jackie like is serious about having her own bed.

10:42Jackie Schimmel:If I can swing it. But it's like if there's like two queens and we're getting a cot, like happily we'll get on the cot. Yeah, Jackie will take the cot just for like the solitary confinement. The solitude. Let's think. Like we did Dear Media IRL like two years ago. That was like the last. But Ben was there.

10:56Clara Wilkerson:So we had connecting rooms. Me and Ben slept in one room. Oh, I love that for me.

11:00Jackie Schimmel:When else did we travel together? In the Hamptons? Did we ever share? Never. No. Probably like the last time we took a trip. What was like the last work trip we did like before Dear Media? Work trip. Because why else would you and I? Like stage coach.

11:14Clara Wilkerson:But we always travel like retailing with our husbands. Yeah.

11:16Jackie Schimmel:But like why would you and I be taking a trip? Like national CMAs or something. But I remember we would always have two beds. Of course, two queens. It was nice enough that I shared a room with you and didn't make you get your own room.

11:25Clara Wilkerson:Except remember that time we went to LA and you literally made us get separate rooms and I was like seriously crying in the other room. We stayed at the, what's that hotel that starts with an M? Mondrian. Mondrian in West Hollywood. We had these two enormous rooms and I'm there all by myself like eating dinner. I'm like, this fucking blows. Like my sister's in the same hotel. That was really mean of you. But we had just come from Stagecoach.

11:46Jackie Schimmel:Which was like overstimulation overload. I think we were all in a house together. It was just like a lot. We were hungover. We drove to LA for one night and we were like there to like sleep and do work. And then the next day we were going to Vegas and we were obviously shared the sickest fucking suite in Vegas. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we were in the same room, but we were in different towers. It was just like one night and I'm like, you know what? I need my own room. Like I need to recharge.

12:08Clara Wilkerson:And look how I'm still talking about it. Like I was so hurt by it.

12:10Jackie Schimmel:But you have to like know that I sell. Like I know that I needed that.

12:14Clara Wilkerson:Like, and you were like, was it worth my mental health?

12:18Jackie Schimmel:Like, I guess I wouldn't do that to you again. But also now it's like I'm used to having no privacy now. Yeah, yeah. That like, oh, the idea of sharing a room with you sounds like a retreat. Vacation, yeah. Yeah.

12:29Clara Wilkerson:So I'm still thinking about it.

12:30Jackie Schimmel:I guess I'll be sharing a room or quarters with you for Dear Media IRL this year. Are you going to stay with me? I think I'll stay with you. Yeah, of course. But you have your own room. I'll have my, maybe we'll share a bed so that you can like. Sure, Ben can sleep in the other room. So that you can say like.

12:41Clara Wilkerson:So that the next time somebody asks me that, I have an answer. Exactly. I love that. Sciatica. Yeah, there comes a, I'm not there yet.

12:49Jackie Schimmel:because it's increasing if you've been watching a show and you're paying attention like you can

12:54Clara Wilkerson:see i'm suffering and actually i like sitting behind a desk because the key in case you were ever wondering like to sort of avoiding a true coccidinia like paralyzation is sitting like you have a penis like sitting really wide open because it takes all the pressure off your tailbone so if you knew what i looked like underneath this desk we kind of need to like implement the desks

13:11Jackie Schimmel:no i'm so fucking excited for our chair for our chair for our um remote studio setup like i'm

13:18Clara Wilkerson:Guys, I'm going back really soon.

13:19Jackie Schimmel:I'm going to miss everything about this. It's been a joy. I love this. And it's going to be sad to not have this. But I'm wiping my tears with that chair. With your money. With the chair in my home studio. It's so pargy. I'm very excited for the pargitude. It's booing me when I'm really sad I'm going to miss you. We've got that pargitude. Better have that pargitude. It's booing me. I wonder if you guys miss the frames. Like the frames are just, they're all alone with no one here beside them. What are the stories like today? They're amazing.

13:57Clara Wilkerson:Really?

13:58Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. Oh. And just sit tight. Why are you trying to spoil the show? So people will leave?

14:03Clara Wilkerson:Yeah. I'm self-sabotaging. Just like Dakota. Or whatever. They're always using those therapy terms on Secret Live. They really are. And meanwhile, not one of them has ever been to therapy.

14:12Jackie Schimmel:No, they haven't. It's a really bad advertisement for therapy. It's a good advertisement for not going to therapy. That's so funny. Because you'll end up like that. Right. Without further ado-da-da-do, here are the fast five stories that you-da-do need to know. Wait, I'm so ill-prepared. I forgot I don't even have my timer. Like, nothing. That's okay. I feel like at this time, your internal body clock could tell you when the hours. My biological clock is ticking. Okay. But, like, I feel like you know 90 seconds, like, in your bones.

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17:46Jackie Schimmel:Our first story is some wonderful Bebba news. Sophia Richie Grange had her second baby, a son named Henry Cecil Grange, born March 18th. Oh, my God, what the name is Cecil? Cecil. The lion. The lion. And Elliot is like British, not like British. He is British and Cecil is a big name there. I'm sure it's a family name for him. I'm sure. I don't know that, but I'm just sure.

18:08Clara Wilkerson:Girls who are into classic baby names, like yesterday was sort of like a Super Bowl for them. Waiting to see like what the queen of class is going to name. Like Eloise was huge. Yeah. Like literally we were playing Mahjong. And actually kind of something embarrassing happened to me at Mahjong. I had to go to the bathroom. Like we finished a game and like I had to poop. Like sorry, we had just had lunch. Like when do people go to the bathroom when you play Mahjong for four hours, you know? So I go and it was like it's kind of taken me a while. and it's like embarrassing because it's like everybody knows what you're doing.

18:35Clara Wilkerson:I said I was going to the bathroom and they haven't seen me come out of the bathroom yet. I guess you could have said like you got a call. I was thinking of coming up with like a big fakak lie like the nan, it stopped working. I fell into the toilet. I got a call. But it's like my mahjong friends are my sisters. She's a woman. She's a human being. So I just got back and before I could even think of making up a lie like everybody was just laughing. It was like literally humiliating. Like it's so unfair, you know? Like it was terrible. I felt bad for you but I didn't know what to do. I didn't know how to play it.

19:05Clara Wilkerson:I appreciate that. Like your solitude, I felt it, but like I appreciate that nobody like continued talking about it. I feel like we moved on quickly because you also announced. Well, having said that, while I was on the turtlet, obviously I was scrolling and I saw that Sophia Rich had her baby and the thing about Mahjong is like, nobody's really on their phone. So when you do go to the bathroom or you take like a water break, you have to catch up. I was catching up on the news and so to sort of divert from the fact that like, yeah, I just blew up.

19:31Clara Wilkerson:I came in and I was like, Sophia Richie had her baby. And actually one of the girls we were playing with, her daughter's name is Eloise. Jackie is such a classic name, British. So I was talking to like the Target demo and I was like, they had her baby. And they were like, what? And I said, Henry. And everybody was like, ah! Like it was such big news. So personally, I'm grateful to Sophia Richie for announcing when she did. Yeah. To sort of save me the humiliation. Take this off of you.

19:54Jackie Schimmel:Of what had just occurred. You were able to divert successfully. Did we know she was having a boy? I don't know. Oh, she's been so low-key about this pregnancy. She has been. And I feel like if I knew she was having a boy, I would have been like much more on edge. Like, what is she going to name her boy? And Henry is a beautiful name, a classic name. It's very Harry. It's like, I feel a lot of Henrys are called Harry. And people are always between like - When we were naming Harry, we thought about Henry. We thought about Henry. Because he was being named after someone, Harold. Harold. And but just like for me, Harry's closer to Harold.

20:21Jackie Schimmel:And I just have more of like a tie to it. But they are like, you know, you couldn't have a child, Henry and Harry. They're too similar. so yeah we were very excited Henry's a great name Henry's a really great it's a strong name it's a really strong name like popular for a reason

20:36Clara Wilkerson:it's just so funny how like people from your childhood like impact like a grown person's choice of names because like whenever we're all like going through names Ben will be like I hate that name and it's like the most beautiful name ever it's because like somebody bullied him you know like it's just so funny how like your childhood classmates

20:52Jackie Schimmel:like really impact how you see a name yeah yeah I guess I didn't grow up with any Harry grow up from childhood Harry's Charlie's or Max's but you know what I was just doing I was talking to my friends from Colgate we were just talking about someone who happens to have the same name me same name as like one of my kids or whatever and I was like you didn't put it together I didn't know that was happening and I did something I've never done before I went through my phone and I looked at my kids names to see like who I know with these names yeah and it was very illuminating I didn't know that that Max was a Max so I never saw him as a Max.

21:27Clara Wilkerson:You know, everything comes back to my deep roots of Morocco. When Ben and I were in the hospital, when Ben and I were in the hospital, I've always known that I love the name Ruby. It was our grandfather's name, and I just think it's like such a cool boy's name. And I've only ever met one Ruby that was a boy. And it's my best friend in the world, Alicia, my Moroccan sister. Her brother, and he's such... So you're a Moroccan brother. My Moroccan brother. He's such a great guy. Like, everybody loves him. He's one of the nicest, like, most lovely, like, everybody knows him in his community. very charitable.

21:55Clara Wilkerson:He's a great guy. His mom is amazing. They're just good people. So when we're in the hospital, you're always going through the people that you know and we really couldn't decide what to name Ruby and we're like, but Ruby should treat. Such a great guy. We literally could not say. Such a great guy. It is important, the people who carry the name before.

22:12Jackie Schimmel:Yes, you can see maybe a little glimpse into the future of what this name could be for your child. Right. Yeah. So I had a couple of Max's in my phone that I didn't know that was happening. Sorry, just quickly

22:23Clara Wilkerson:back to Colgate.

22:23Jackie Schimmel:Oh, I had. Oh, my story.

22:25Clara Wilkerson:Can you tell?

22:26Jackie Schimmel:I'm so sorry, but like that's going to make it more embarrassing. It's really embarrassing.

22:29Clara Wilkerson:But like seriously. I just have to own it. It was up for 10 hours. Like people know. Like just tell your truth.

22:34Jackie Schimmel:Wait. And just to finish up, I have one. I had one Charles in my phone. I didn't even like remember this person. Oh, okay. It was a person from Colgate. And then I didn't have any Harry's or Harrison's in my phone. That's good. But I know some from Colgate. I just like I didn't get their number. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You weren't close.

22:50Clara Wilkerson:Stop circling the dream. Just tell everyone what you did.

22:53Jackie Schimmel:Okay. I saw a post from Colgate University, my alma mater on Instagram that I wanted to send to my friends. It was a bunch of like it was an alumni roundup of like alumni around the world, like doing like cool things all different ages with like Colgate flags. It's just a cute thing to do. And I was just like sending it to them for my benign reasons for sending it to them. And then I also wanted to post a link for the shirt I was wearing on the toast. And I posted my shirt link. And then the next day I wanted to see like how it performed, how my link was performing. and the link wasn't there on my analytics platform.

23:26Jackie Schimmel:I was like, but wait, I linked it. Why isn't it showing up? So I went to what I posted on Instagram and instead of linking my shirt, I linked the Colgate University Instagram post with like all these different people.

23:38Clara Wilkerson:A lot of people that like where I went to school with. Do you think like their college group chats were blowing up? Like why did Jackie Oshry post this? I think so. Definitely, it's a small school.

23:48Jackie Schimmel:I was so freaked out. I immediately deleted it without looking at how many clicks it got. Oh God. so I have no idea how many clicks it got. Hopefully it was just an ugly shirt. Hopefully nobody wanted my shirt. Yeah right. Because no one said anything. Usually I would get a DM like link's broken, wrong link. So maybe like really it was just an ugly shirt. Or like it took you to something within Instagram because it was an Instagram post so maybe they just thought their phone was broken. Glitching yeah.

24:09Clara Wilkerson:Let me know if you wanted the shirt. Yeah if you had like your own personal experience with Jackie's link let us know.

24:15Jackie Schimmel:My friends were on the floor.

24:17Clara Wilkerson:I would have died. Like seriously died. That's always what I'm so paranoid about.

24:20Jackie Schimmel:I am who I am. Okay so I so I did it. You know what I mean? Right. What are we going to do? Like, it's so innocent. It wasn't a link to like a gun.

24:31Clara Wilkerson:Like, you know, it could have been so much worse.

24:35Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. Um, so yeah, that's my truth. That's my truth. I should stop talking to my Colgate friends because I got into trouble. Yeah.

24:42Clara Wilkerson:Okay. Cojourner. Uh,

24:43Jackie Schimmel:what'd you say?

24:44Clara Wilkerson:I said, okay, Cojourner sharing your truth.

24:46Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. I'll share my truth. I have nothing to hide. That's how I feel. Like, okay. I fucked up. Sorry. Sorry. Our next story is really crazy. Really crazy. And I need you to let me tell the story.

24:58Clara Wilkerson:That's out. Yeah.

24:59Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. Okay. Tell the story. The security guard at the center of the Chapel Roan Hotel drama is breaking his silence. Which is just a crazy thing for a security guard to do. He said, I take full responsibility. Now, I saw this headline and I was like, let me see. Maybe he can illuminate on the situation. As I'm about to look at the story, I'm like, I wonder if it's the one security guard, celebrity security guard I know. And it is.

25:22Clara Wilkerson:So if you weren't around for like the 2010s Pascal, let us explain to you like the significance of this person. Now, a lot of people know him because he was the security guard working for the Kardashians the night that Kim was robbed at gunpoint. They like all went to Paris, like four sisters that had one security guard, which they never did that ever again. He was like largely like held responsible.

25:44Jackie Schimmel:Yeah, he was fired after that. He was fired. His name is Pascal Duvier. If you look at pictures from that time, like that year, he's in the background of everyone's pictures. He was famous because he was very good looking. He was like a famous bodyguard. You could recognize him in everyone's pictures. Everyone was using him.

25:58Clara Wilkerson:He had a true fall from grace after that. Like, I don't think he was ever booked again.

26:02Jackie Schimmel:I think he probably does security for people who need less security, like Chapel Rhone.

26:07Clara Wilkerson:Right. Music festival. But like the world's most high profile robbery happening on his watch was like not a ringing endorsement for his security business. Yeah. But he's just like a handsome guy. He's like seriously so crazy.

26:18Jackie Schimmel:And he, yeah, he's very recognizable. I think I know two security guards in - Shango. Shango and Pascal. And it was one of the two that I know of. I love Shango.

26:28Clara Wilkerson:If it was Shango, I personally would have died. Like I would have had to go to the hospital to be resuscitated. Yeah. Shango. We need Shango. Where are they now? Shango.

26:38Jackie Schimmel:Shango, I think it's like married with children and his wife looks a lot like him. That's the last we heard from him. He was hot. He was. Oh my God. That storyline, like they don't make TV like that anymore.

26:47Clara Wilkerson:And you wonder why the Kardashians are as famous as they are because they were doing things that nobody else was doing, like making fake storylines about Kim dating her hot ass security guard, Shango.

26:54Jackie Schimmel:And the thing is that whole storyline was fake as fuck. It didn't matter. No. And honestly, the best thing we ever saw.

27:00Clara Wilkerson:I do feel like the storyline was fake, but the romantic spark was not. No. And Kim just saw bigger things for herself. Like obviously she ended up marrying at the time like the biggest rapper in the world. She couldn't like have just married for love. But if she could have, it would have been with Shango. So here are the details.

27:15Jackie Schimmel:Pascal Duvier, who the Daily Mail reported is the bodyguard that aggressively confronted Ada and her mother in the hotel in Brazil, broke his silence on Instagram Wednesday, saying, I do not normally address online rumors, but the accusations currently circulating are false and constitute defamation. I take full responsibility for the interactions on March 21st. I was at the hotel on behalf of another individual, and I was not part of the personal security team of Chapel Roan. The actions I took were not on behalf of Chapel Roan, her personal security team, her management, or any other individuals.

27:43Jackie Schimmel:I made a judgment call based on information we obtained from the hotel, events I had witnessed in the days prior, and the heightened overall security risk of our location. Of an 11-year-old. My soul interact. He's been casing the joint. For children. And recording the behavior of the 11-year-old. Yeah. My soul interaction with the mother was common good with good intentions and the outcome of the encounter is regretful. Wow.

28:04Clara Wilkerson:That's really bad. Yeah. He never should have spoken up because now I have two shit stains on your record, which is insane for like a civilian bodyguard. Like I shouldn't know your name. I shouldn't know your face, but I do. And now the things that I know about you are two enormous flops in your security career, yelling at children.

28:20Jackie Schimmel:You're telling me you were at this hotel with a client. And he won't say who, of course. Okay, I don't care. You're bodyguarding this client. You see an 11-year-old walk past a different celebrity that you have nothing to do with. And you've witnessed a pattern of this over your time at the hotel. And you've been talking to the hotel security team about the 11-year-old? And so you take it upon yourself to verbally accost, in the words of Amanda Francis, the 11-year-old and her mother, on behalf of Chapel Rhone, who asked you to do nothing about this. Not on behalf of Chapel Rhone. I guess on behalf of his client.

28:51Jackie Schimmel:Like, you're looking out for your own client's interests. No, but he was saying it because she engaged with Chapel. The 11-year-old had nothing to do with his client. But he witnessed this behavior of the 11-year-olds and felt like he needed to get older. Is that what he said? I don't think he was doing it for Chap. He was being very vague. He's not on Chapel's team. The actions I took were not on behalf of CHAP. Right. He wasn't mad at the 11-year-old for what he did to CHAP. He's saying CHAPL did not send him. Of course. He made a judgment call based on information we obtained from the hotel.

29:20Jackie Schimmel:No, I just wanted to say. Events I had witnessed in the days prior and the heightened overall security risk of our location. What?

29:25Clara Wilkerson:If I'm the person who was paying Pascal. Yeah. Like, I'm his client. And he's yelling at 11-year-old, not even for me, for CHAP. Right. His head is like, what is he doing? I'm sorry.

29:39Jackie Schimmel:events I had witnessed in the days prior from the 11 year old. What? She made a friendship bracelet. Like that's insane. And the heightened overall security risk of our location.

29:47Clara Wilkerson:What are you talking about? Now I know he's a security guard, not a publicist, but he should have shut the fuck up because first of all, we never would have known who like the unnamed security guard is. Security guards are just like faceless, nameless, but like big men. So I don't know why. No, we would have never, we would have never known.

30:02Jackie Schimmel:It would have been a mystery. And now everything is clear as day to me because I think Pascal is the problem. is the problem it's actually like this really sort of what's the word

30:19I'll help you send it out like where you know when you presume

30:23Jackie Schimmel:when you're off you skates exonerates exonerates chapel unfortunately this exonerates chapel oh for sure not in like the lifetime just like on this particular incident whereas before when no one had spoken out. I'm like, I think Chappell's lying. Yeah, of course.

30:38Clara Wilkerson:And for me, any excuse to doubt Chappell. And I'm just like, Chappell,

30:42Jackie Schimmel:she didn't tell her security guard to go yell at an 11-year-old, but they do that because they think that's what she wants.

30:46Clara Wilkerson:Maybe he was like gunning for Chappell's business and he knew the best way to do that would be to like bully a child because that's definitely something like Chappell endorses.

30:55Jackie Schimmel:I don't know. This guy like just seems really crazy. And I also feel like when Kim was robbed, like even though it happened on his watch, like no one really blamed him. You can't. A gang of armed violent criminals against one security guard. The girls were going out clubbing Kendall and Courtney. They just didn't have enough security. And they then beefed up their own security. But they had hired just one person to guard all of them. And they were all going to be in separate places. Yeah. You actually really couldn't have blamed him. Nobody blamed him. But of course, he couldn't keep his job after that.

31:18Jackie Schimmel:And they wound up hiring like Mossad. Yeah. But I feel like that wasn't even though it was a security failure. It really wasn't his fault. Nobody blamed him specifically.

31:28Clara Wilkerson:This is crazy. And he sort of just like let us all know. I guess it's like honorable that he would let, maybe he's still gunning for Chap's business because it's honorable that he would really exonerate Chap and put himself, like now he's the full on villain here. And nobody was even thinking of him. Like I didn't know he was in the room. I didn't know he's on the continent. Like. Yeah. So strange.

31:49Jackie Schimmel:Are you ready for our next story?

31:51Clara Wilkerson:I guess. Like I didn't know like yesterday that we were going to be talking about Pascal again. Do you know what I mean? Like that was such an important. It was such like a formative era of my life just personally. And I just can't believe we're talking about him again. I didn't even know he was still in the business.

32:06Jackie Schimmel:I feel like security guards, if we're talking about you, you're not doing a good job. If we know your name, if we know who you are, if you're making news, you're not doing a good job. Your job is to like be invisible and protect and serve.

32:18Clara Wilkerson:Unless you're that really, really handsome Israeli guy who was working for Taylor Swift and decided after October 7th to quit the Ares tour and join the IDF. Right. But so not working security anymore.

32:27Jackie Schimmel:Correct. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. It's a little Salamu update. Two things we've got today. First of all, Dakota reports a third domestic violence incident to police regarding Taylor Frankie Paul. So this is just. But he just reported it. Ongoing. Yeah. He went to the West Jordan Police Department in Utah last month, accusing Taylor of abusing him in an alleged early to mid 2024 dispute. TMZ has confirmed West Jordan detectives have reviewed video and are working to verify details. interviewing the parties involved were told Taylor and Dakota are cooperating with the ongoing investigation and no charges have been followed.

33:00Clara Wilkerson:The more Dakota does, like the less I

33:08Clara Wilkerson:I never cared about him. So I don't even know what to say. Like I never was on his side, but the more I believe like he's probably the bigger abuser and perpetrator of this like toxic cycle. Because two years later, why are you reporting domestic violence? Like only because like we're piling on now.

33:21Jackie Schimmel:Yeah.

33:22Clara Wilkerson:I still blame them both wholeheartedly for not making a safe space for their child. Like for that, like I don't really care anymore. But if I had to guess, yeah, he's, he's the one.

33:34Jackie Schimmel:He's like whipping up shit. Yeah, he's the one. Also, it's being not reported, but floated for the next Bachelorette. Yeah. Maura Higgins. Yes. People are suggesting that she be the next Bachelorette. Apparently there was rumors that like Layla and Miranda would do a joint season. And there are also rumors that that has just been knocked down by ABC.

33:52Clara Wilkerson:Oh, I heard that it was like actually being considered by ABC. I heard that it's not being considered anymore. And that wouldn't be good. Just want to say, I think that the whole double bachelorette thing, they think like they have two girls who are like decent and maybe we put them together. It would be great. It's distracting. Like two bachelorettes. No, it's never good.

34:08Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. And Taylor would have been like to have someone that's like just Taylor's runner up. I think we have to like shift gears again. More has like a really cute idea because everybody loves her. She's a reality star. She is very famously single at the moment. She commented like heart eyes emojis on like one of the rumors about it. So I guess like she's down.

34:30Clara Wilkerson:They said also if ABC were to do it because they need to like fill all the airtime that's been canceled for the next three or four months. It would be a live season, which is really crazy. I guess sort of like Love Island and why she's maybe kind of the right person for it.

34:43Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. However, I actually don't think she's the right person for it because I don't think she's interested in actually being with like some American random. reality TV star wannabe. I think she wants to be with Brad Pitt. No, I think that she would do it for the opportunity. But not for actual finding love. Yeah, and also... I feel like Taylor Frankie Paul, the kind of guy that goes on The Bachelor, is the exact sort of guy that she would end up with. Like a rando reality TV star wannabe, hopefully with a heart of gold.

35:10Clara Wilkerson:This also feels like, as much as it would be an amazing weekly national platform, it does feel like a step down. for her being like sloppy seconds you know i don't think i think she's like a little too highbrow for this honestly and especially after this like really messy domestic like who wants to be that

35:31Jackie Schimmel:you know i don't know i feel like the exposure i know i know unlike and especially after this is the biggest story in the country whoever gets it is going to become so famous so i feel like she could use it to her advantage and make it highbrow make it fashion make it luke's comedy everything it would be a good get for the network it would be everything except love because i don't think she's interested in that's fine some rando that's fine i want love what about love i know but like

35:59Clara Wilkerson:what we were gonna get was so not love you know taylor like she chose someone she was calling

36:04Jackie Schimmel:dakota they broke up i know i want to know like why they broke up jesse said on call her daddy that like when she saw taylor during the bachelorette like when she was filming like she was a different person yeah energy was changed she was like just a the old taylor new taylor like i wish that had lasted correct it's sad that like it didn't even it's also funny how people are like still we're so like conditioned to be like bachelor spoilers like people still like won't talk about that she ended up with a guy named doug like the show's not airing you guys what are we talking about and like why did her and even doug won't be like i won and here's why taylor No, the news stories, it'll be like,

36:44Clara Wilkerson:Bachelor contestant. No, it's a guy who won. Or like, bachelor alleged winner. I saw this roundup of like, right when the season got canceled. It was on page six Instagram. It was like, Bachelor contestants, like speak out for the first time. And it was like, Instagram screenshots of their stories. Like seriously acting so drama. One of them was like, thanks for reaching out. I'm doing okay. Like, they just got diagnosed with cancer. Like, it was insane, the drama. And it's like, for men, like I got the ick. It was so icky being like, thanks to everyone who reached out Thanks for all the positive messages.

37:12Clara Wilkerson:Like, girl, sorry that you had to quit your job because you thought you were going to be a reality star, but like go back to work.

37:17Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. But think about like the guy who went on the season and became the villain and like maybe was like kind of a decent guy.

37:22Clara Wilkerson:And who was dreading the season coming out. He's the one who sent the video to TMZ. I'm cracking up. Whoever that. The Chad. The idea that like your worst moment, like you're dreading the same, the idea that it's going to mysteriously vanish is like everyone's dream, right? When you're dreading something like, but there's no way it ever happens. This actually happened. That's so funny.

37:42Jackie Schimmel:Also, apparently these guys are still contenders for Bachelor in Paradise.

37:46Clara Wilkerson:Oh, I didn't know that show was still on the air.

37:48Jackie Schimmel:Yeah. No, I think it does its thing. Interesting.

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40:55Jackie Schimmel:Our next story. Anne Hathaway told Devil Wears Prada to producers not to put models who are so skeletal and alarmingly thin in their new movie, He says Meryl Streep. So Meryl Streep shared that alarmingly thin models were not cast in Devil Wears Prada 2 movie. Unlike the first movie where fashion brands hesitated to have their clothes featured in the movie. That was an unknown wild card. The sequel film with the support of several high-end. You just said like a whole bunch. Start again. Okay. So in this sequel, high-end fashion brands are part of the movie. Unlike the first one. They are a part of it.

41:31Jackie Schimmel:Yes. Okay. they attended actual runway shows during Milan Fashion Week it was a wake up call for Meryl who returns to her Oscar nominated role as Miranda Priestly she said I was struck by how not only beautiful and young everyone seems young to me but alarmingly thin the models were she told the magazine about going to these fashion weeks she said I thought that all had been addressed years ago Annie clocked it too and she made a beeline to the producers about it securing promises that the models in the show that we were putting together for our film would not be so skeletal she's a stand-up girl well it feels like it won't be an accurate reflection of the fashion industry doesn't that feel like body shaming well let's like not casting someone because they're too fat like it's not right same thing as casting someone because they're too thin we don't treat

42:16Clara Wilkerson:too fat and too skinny people the same way because like let's talk about the discourse around Ariana Grande which I feel like people really did bring up valid concerns like she was during the wicked, like looking scary, then you could never, I'm not even going to say someone, like a fat actress, like, oh my God. If you made one thing being like, I feel like she's unhealthy. Like, is she okay? Is she going through something? It's the same things you said. When you are going through something traumatic, whether it's health related, mental health, you do become either very skinny or very fat. Like it is a very common thing.

42:45Clara Wilkerson:So you could never raise the same concerns about like a big actress.

42:49Jackie Schimmel:So are you saying that people are harder on people who are too skinny?

42:52Clara Wilkerson:Not harder on, more comfortable. because you know people behind closed doors say whatever they want but like in the public sphere what's what's acceptable you can come from a place of true concern for a skinny person i really hope she's okay i hope she's in good health i hope everything's okay at home if i saw a big fat woman and i said i hope everything is okay at home what the names people would call me and rightfully so that's terrible like you are there is more grace you're still not supposed

43:16Jackie Schimmel:to comment on any woman's body and if anne hathaway went to producers and said don't cast those models because they're too fat like she would be right now girls are losing out on opportunity instead she said they're too skinny and she's a hero yeah no it's not the same and i

43:28Clara Wilkerson:i i've thought about this a lot because like calling someone too skinny is really not the same as calling someone too fat because the world that we live in really values thin so saying someone's too thin is like saying they're too valuable too good and everyone like fat is like the worst thing you could be everybody hates fat fat is like what everyone's afraid of being so calling someone too fat is like calling them too much of the worst thing you know so it's not the same but body equality you know i don't know i don't know what the answer is here but you're right like it is crazy you they're not the same though like you you don't yeah I just feel like

44:00Jackie Schimmel:it's not the slay that she thinks it is like it's a good thing to have you know positive people on tv and healthy I love girls with normal bodies it's like my favorite thing but like I just feel like not maybe they shouldn't have let us know that she said that because that's kind of rude like some girl starved her whole life to be on this runway and now she doesn't get she's getting passed up on the offer yeah no I agree like I don't know I feel like it's like a little bit not it's not inclusive it's a little bit not inclusive it's not inclusive and so I I think the idea of having like a healthy body image look to at the movie and not seeing like people with unhealthy body images is probably good for audiences but like you shouldn't have told us that yeah right like do the good work in quiet yeah it does sound mean yeah but i guess if you have to like hide your truth then what are you hiding maybe living just living your truth oh my

44:53Clara Wilkerson:god yeah she's kind of like you with your instagram story like just tell the truth and like she like whatever you know maybe she feels i look forward to seeing the models though well now i'll be looking i forgot that this movie's coming out that i have like that to look forward to also house made two oh yeah i need to see house made one but they cast kirsten dunst did you read the second book i did i really i really liked it me too i i'm looking for a new book for ben he's almost done with you know he reads once a week um mark remarkably bright creatures and i was at target where i got the first book and i was thinking maybe ben would like the housemaid it's really great do boys like the housemaid i don't know it's like why do i think it's for girls but it's there's nothing girly about it it's a psychological thriller but like frida just feels yeah Frida just feels girly but she's writing from an author for girls

45:41Jackie Schimmel:a woman's perspective and it is about like women's thoughts and things yeah so I don't I really don't want to lead him astray you should be the experiment the good news is that it's not like hard to chew on like it's very it's an easy book to read yeah so maybe it would

45:55Clara Wilkerson:go well Kirsten Dunst so the premise of the second book is set in New York right yeah she's working as like this older kind of spooky woman who lives at the Dakota

46:03Jackie Schimmel:but she's also like a hit woman right yeah yeah people hire her she's now like a house made for hire yeah where she'll kill your husband right abusing you right and so kirsten dunce is like this very wealthy woman who's

46:14Clara Wilkerson:like being held to you know ransom right or is she in the uh famous dakota building i wonder if

46:22Jackie Schimmel:they'll film there like you can't do anything there where john lennon was shot so they probably won't if you can't do anything there's plenty of places they'll use like the only murders building yeah right right right uh cool what was the story oh yeah cool the ever was crowded too

46:36Clara Wilkerson:with healthy models every time i hear about ann hathaway like in her personal life they call her

46:40Jackie Schimmel:annie yeah which is cute i like that fifth and final story you know what it is thursday oh yeah it's thursday mass singer reveal the i actually i did keep up last night the pangolin has been revealed the identity of the pangolin spoiler alert is rachel platen you know what's so funny

46:59Clara Wilkerson:is that Teddy Mellencamp was on this season singing a Rachel Platten song. That must have been weird.

47:03Jackie Schimmel:That must have been weird. But what's really crazy is Rachel Platten's an amazing singer. Pug Casso, alleged Philip Phillips, is an amazing singer. Like, there's amazing singers on Masked Singer. I was never going to win. Like, literally, I was never even going to make it that far. So I feel like Pug Casso has to win because who could be a better singer than him?

47:22Clara Wilkerson:Like, literally nobody. Right.

47:24Jackie Schimmel:But is it just about your voice? Isn't it also about the performance? It's about a lot. What you can do with that thing?

47:29Clara Wilkerson:No matter how talented you are, it's really about who can sing their best in the costume. And dance. It's a vocal performance. It's a breath work. Right. Choose the songs. Do the little choreography. So, yes, it is, of course, talent-based. But there's a lot of things besides the singing. And what is a pangolin? No idea. She's going through her own sort of Taylor Swift record label. She recorded...

47:54Jackie Schimmel:From Kia Asylum. Straight from herself.

47:56Clara Wilkerson:She is a Kia Asylum, which is sad because I feel like there are certain people in the Kia Asylum who are there because of really bad record deals. And that's really sad. Like Kesha almost.

48:04Jackie Schimmel:Someone commented or DM me something that was a fire point that I need to erase here. That an amazing replacement for Kelly Clarkson. Kiki Palmer, I said it. Miley Cyrus. Oh, yeah. Miley Oki. It's giving backyard sessions. It is.

48:19Clara Wilkerson:The only thing about Miley is she herself beams with so much personality. and she doesn't have like a lot of experience being a host. She's always being interviewed because she's the interesting one. She's the talented one. And Kelly's real skill has been able to like pull back and engage, you know, talk about her own self, but really highlighting her. And I think people love going on her show. It's a pleasant experience. Kiki Palmer is like bursting with personality, but she has a lot of experience hosting. She knows how to take a backseat. I worry that Miley might not know how to take a backseat.

48:48Jackie Schimmel:But she could learn. She could get a little bit of training. I feel like she might be like the warm, inviting presence. Southern. like I think she's just as good of a recommendation as Kiki yeah and I think that she would crush Kelly Yoki yeah I agree as good as Kelly like she does covers I don't think that Miley's also down

49:06Clara Wilkerson:to like enter that sort of sunset era of her career she just released another album like I think she's really I think she's continuing to do like the album tour press circuit I don't know if

49:17Jackie Schimmel:you noticed yeah she doesn't really do um tours she does like some live shows around there's like Big headlines. And so that's what Kelly is. She was releasing music because she likes to make music and also doing the show. I feel like Miley's sort of in an era where she does music when she wants to, but she could do a job. Yeah.

49:34Clara Wilkerson:No, it's a good recommendation. I still think Kiki Palmer would be better. I really do. I do feel like who replaces Kelly Clarkson is going to be some of the biggest casting news drama of the last decade.

49:46Jackie Schimmel:It's such a big deal. It is a big deal. I kind of am voting for Miley now even though everyone who we recommend were like they'd be amazing, Pink, Miley even though I still don't think Pink is right for it I think she's too polarizing

50:01Clara Wilkerson:what if she could tone it back she couldn't, that's why she's so great and that's why people love her she speaks her mind even if it's going to forsake opportunities so no or Joanna Gaines she's just like heavy on my mind right now

50:14Jackie Schimmel:but we need music she could have her own show anytime But the Kelly show is just as much about the musicality.

50:22Clara Wilkerson:And she's very entrenched with Discovery, HBO.

50:27Jackie Schimmel:And she's got a lot of jobs.

50:28Clara Wilkerson:Yeah.

50:33Clara Wilkerson:No, it's a very hard role to fill. We do have a couple of good people floating.

50:38Jackie Schimmel:We do. Like better than most. We usually have nothing. I feel like it kind of is a Venn diagram.

50:45Clara Wilkerson:Also, people we recommend for the Super Bowl. Yeah, like very all-american people that everyone loves because we've said pink. We've said Kelly Clarkson. We said Miley Yeah, Luke Holmes was on a podcast being like he wants it so bad I love that he put it out there give it to people like artists like famous people never say what they want In case they don't get it or whatever, but I love that. He put it out there He's a call me like I will do it and he will kill it I forget what I like because I know Luke's like whole discography But I forget when I go to a concert of his and he plays like his hits which aren't even my favorite like he's like Taylor Swift level in terms of songs that everyone loves like one number away hurricane like he has those sort of ubiquitous

51:21Jackie Schimmel:huge hits i think he could do it but you also like don't need to be an artist that every single person is obsessed with to do the super bowl anymore yes that's true it has become more um

51:29Clara Wilkerson:to be chosen less genre specific like except they don't really do a lot of country no they don't

51:34Jackie Schimmel:but like football is so country the last few years like it's not been like the i mean bad bunny is the biggest artist in the world but like so i'm not talking about him but like kendrick Like Lamar isn't like. Right. It's very. It's more niche. Has a million songs that everybody knows the words. Everybody knows the words too. No. Right. Right. Who was before?

51:50Clara Wilkerson:Usher. Usher does have a million songs that everybody knows the words too.

51:52Jackie Schimmel:Usher was a good one.

51:54Clara Wilkerson:I think Usher was a good choice too. It was a good choice. When you look. I didn't love his performance. It's funny how when you look back. It's like your opinion at the time. Like it all ages. You know. Yeah. So I don't remember what I thought. I feel like I was pleased with the Usher choice at the time. and like now I feel like the same was like with The Weeknd it was actually a good choice he has so many like top 10 radio hits that like your grandparents know

52:20Jackie Schimmel:I can't believe he did the Super Bowl I literally always forget that

52:22Clara Wilkerson:and his performance was also really bad

52:24Jackie Schimmel:yeah no I always forget yeah damn Rihanna was amazing why hasn't Ariana Grande done it she's like at that level no

52:35Clara Wilkerson:somewhat recently maybe no but like

52:37Jackie Schimmel:yeah I don't know I feel like she's a little niche you think a little just like pop for the girl corner of the pop like yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe

52:46Clara Wilkerson:it's not all american no it's really like for the girly girls at the time and even in hindsight i can acknowledge like justin timberlake was a good choice no and i don't think i ever even saw his performance because we were there in real life and i like couldn't hear anything so i don't think i ever watched it like on tv i just missed the era i missed the era where like bruno mars and beyonce

53:05Jackie Schimmel:were like doing rotations like that was good no like do bruno mars again it will always be a good choice. It's true. He is like really the only person that's for everyone. And like nobody would have a bad thing to say about him. No one. Yeah. No one. Just do it. Yeah. Oh, that's always fun. The Super Bowl?

53:22Clara Wilkerson:Yeah, who's going to do the halftime? Well, because it was rumored up until they announced it. I thought it was like literally confirmed that it was Miley. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember

53:30Jackie Schimmel:I saw fake news that it was.

53:31Clara Wilkerson:Yeah, and I don't know if that was like ever rooted in any truth. Yeah. Or I just got got by AI generated content but I thought it was her. And you know what? She also could do it. Was that the fifth story? Yeah.

53:40Jackie Schimmel:Pangolin Rachel Platton for the Super Bowl

53:42Clara Wilkerson:Rachel no but it is weird she probably made more money than everybody else because she also is earning a royalty check because her song got sung

53:49Jackie Schimmel:but they don't put your songs on like Spotify or anything you have to pay to like use it on TV for sure you get it cleared legally like you have to pay the publishing rights right how much you have to pay oh I don't know

54:00Clara Wilkerson:how much did you pay Barbra Streisand I have no idea I think she gave it to me for free how much did you pay Sia they both gave it to me for free because they were like such big fans of QWERTY

54:08Jackie Schimmel:imagine if you were still on Mass Singer

54:11Clara Wilkerson:exhausting like keeping up the lie i couldn't do it like no it's actually a lot yeah oh yeah

54:15Jackie Schimmel:that was literally like the highlight of my i can't believe that was while i was here no like it's so crazy yeah queen corgi such a queen she's such a queen now i feel like enough

54:27Clara Wilkerson:time has passed where i actually like look back on it really fondly it's still the picture of our

54:32Jackie Schimmel:group chat yeah the little corgi corgi so cute yeah oh we have to go home to our kids i can't

54:39Clara Wilkerson:well the show's over so can't wait okay well that's all she wrote thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast and Millennium Morning show where we deliver the Fast Five series that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please stop for to subscribe and give us a video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast and podcast we found so it's Spotify and Stitcher or public radio where you can watch all the places where you listen to podcasts find us at Toast leave a five star view of it and wickily talented we are

54:56Jackie Schimmel:love ya

54:57Clara Wilkerson:bye

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