Matt, Rachael and The Juror: Thursday, January 16th 2025

16 Jan 2025 · 1 h 6 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Toast - Matt, Rachael and The Juror

Podcast Title: The Toast Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry Episode Title: Matt, Rachael and The Juror Air Date: Thursday, January 16th, 2025 Episode Duration: Approximately 1 hour 3 minutes

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jackie and Claudia discuss various current events including a breakup among "Bachelor" stars, Wendy Williams' concerning interview, and the promotion of the new season of "Severance." The episode also features commentary on pop music and celebrity culture, culminating in reflections on the film "Juror Number Two."

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Key Segments

  1. Matt James and Rachael Kirkconnell Breakup (23:56)
  2. Context: Matt James and Rachael Kirkconnell, who gained fame on "The Bachelor," have reportedly broken up after four years.
  3. Discussion Points:
  4. The nature of their breakup announcement, likened to a public prayer, raised skepticism about its authenticity.
  5. Speculation on the status of their relationship and potential engagement.
  6. Reflection on their history as a couple from the show, including their tumultuous start.
  1. Wendy Williams Interview (32:08)
  2. Summary: Wendy Williams asserts that she is not cognitively impaired and feels trapped in a facility, comparing her experience to being in prison.
  3. Discussion Points:
  4. Exploration of her claims, including possible exploitation and emotional abuse.
  5. The duality of her narrative, where she may be seeking freedom from genuine mistreatment or potentially struggling with her mental health.
  1. Leighton Meester’s Music and Fire Recovery (38:07)
  2. Context: Following a devastating fire, fans of Leighton Meester are promoting her music to support her recovery efforts.
  3. Discussion Points:
  4. The comparison to Heidi and Spencer's fan-led music revival.
  5. Discussion on Meester’s music career and its significance beyond her acting roles.
  1. Severance Cast Marketing Event (47:25)
  2. Overview: The cast of the Apple TV series "Severance" participated in a unique promotional event at Grand Central Station.
  3. Discussion Points:
  4. The effectiveness of unconventional marketing strategies in a saturated media landscape.
  5. Personal reactions to the show and its psychological impact on viewers.
  1. Jen Shah's Sentence Reduction (51:22)
  2. Summary: Jen Shah’s prison sentence has been reduced, allowing her potential early release before Thanksgiving 2026.
  3. Discussion Points:
  4. Discussion on the implications of her crimes, particularly towards vulnerable populations.
  5. Speculation on her return to "Real Housewives" and the nature of her presence.

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Key Takeaways

  • The emotional weight of public breakups and their impact on celebrity culture.
  • The complexities of mental health and media representation, as illustrated by Wendy Williams' current situation.
  • The power of fan support in reviving overlooked music careers amidst personal crises.
  • Innovative marketing strategies can enhance visibility for new projects, even in challenging environments.
  • The ethics surrounding celebrity criminal behavior and the public's reaction to it.

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Conclusion The episode encapsulates a blend of pop culture, social commentary, and personal anecdotes from the hosts, providing listeners with both entertainment and insight into contemporary celebrity life. Jackie and Claudia maintain their signature humor while addressing serious topics, making this episode both enjoyable and thought-provoking.

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0:00Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. That doesn't feel like a Friday, which is disgusting because it should be a Friday. Anybody else feel that way? I feel that way. I feel like yesterday I was sharing how this week felt really slow. And do you find that it's felt slow? I find and my week has been sort of like disturbed in a sense because I went out not once but two weeknights in a row. Like what the fuck? Like this is not the state. I saw you, Shay Margot. Yeah, I was like out and about. What did I do two nights ago? You went to Premier Protein. Thank you. I had a work, an appearance, if you will.

0:42The last night I had dinner with Brian. Like who do I think I am? Two nights in a row? I could pass away. I know. I'm so sorry, LaTurt. Last night I did not go out. However, I did do my homework because I wrote it down in my notebook. I watched her number two. Let me just cross that off the list. So do you want to recap it at the end of this? Even though like I don't think anyone's talking about that movie. It's like movies people want us to recap. Us, juror number two. Well, we don't need like a formal recap. Just let me know if you liked it. So I did like it. However, I didn't have any preconceived notions about it.

1:17Except that I assumed that it was going to be a true story. For a couple of reasons. One, you said something on the show that now I understand what you were saying. But at the time I thought you were saying like you said when I was watching it. I didn't realize what I was watching, like what I was watching until halfway through. I thought you realized what case it was. No, no, no. I had no idea the premise of the movie. So when he has that first flashback in the juror stand, I'm like, oh, how crazy. This guy was at the same bar. Like, and then I'm like, oh my God, wait, no, he was there and he did it.

1:43I was like, wait, it's just kind of a brilliant premise for a movie. So just the name of the movie and the marketing, I just assumed that this was a movie about a true story and a real juror, like kind of like 12 Angry Men, you know, where it's like it literally reminded me of 12 angry man but then you know the angry man was not the one who spoiler alert actually I just won't say anything I did feel like there was a big like issue I had with the plot okay and it was that JK Simmons's character like stumbling upon this list of cars and finding that one of them belonged to the other jury member like I wish he didn't know that like it was just it was a little too convenient like I wish I wish like you know the main character saw his car in the list and like had to throw the papers away but like J.K.

2:32Simmons are you dumb yeah no I think he was actually being like that's your like he really didn't expect what are the odds which is why when I thought it was a true story if I didn't if I knew it was fake I've been like this is too fake so I'm actually glad that I had to really hold hold it to account by thinking it was true and then the other thing is now I agree with you like why wasn't this nominated for anything? Every single major actor is in it. It was a very good movie. I enjoyed watching it. Like it kept me on my toes. It wasn't like so much fun. But I was into it. I had a pet. But like it's a Clint Eastwood movie.

3:04Every single person is of note. Why wouldn't this be nominated for literally anything or one person? And I just assumed it was a true story because the last Clint Eastwood movie that I watched was 1517 to Paris about the heroes, the American heroes who took down the terrorists on the train. and in that movie, like, the heroes played themselves. I heard the movie was horrible. Which was just a lot. Not to cloud on the heroes, because heroes are heroes, but heroes are not, heroes are heroes. They aren't actors. And I heard that movie was bad. Like, not to, you know. No, the movie was bad. And because it was, I just thought, like, Clint Eastwood was doing True Stories.

3:35Now, also, did you know that his daughter plays the girlfriend in this movie? Wait, wait, whose daughter? His daughter, Francesca, played the killed girl. Wait. and like she really doesn't look like herself well i know her from her iconic keeping up with the eastwood eastwood and co yes of course juror number two oh my god wait i'm freaking and so a couple times they showed her i was like is that the daughter she really didn't look like her and then the next time they showed her i was like let me look for her face no it didn't even cross my mind yet she played it's clint eastwood's daughter she plays kendall carter so it's so gorgeous this is the girl with the birkin from and tyler shields like you're lying wait fun fact that's crazy yeah so I just feel like this movie's not really getting like the legs it deserves but it was reminding me of like my cousin Vinny with a little bit of juror number two I mean of 12 angry men and I just I thought it was like a good thing piece it definitely gives you a pit I don't want to I feel like literally five people listening to the show have watched the movie and they might have even turned off today's podcast by now because like who cares about this movie I don't want to spoil it so I'm not going to but maybe at the end And I'll just say like the thing that I have to say that would spoil it.

4:47Okay. I have something to say about our big toast theme song competition. Like not only is the competition off to the races. Like I was nervous nobody was going to submit, but of course they were going to submit. We got a ton of submissions yesterday. It's only day one. I don't want to discourage anybody. We have not chosen a winner. We are watching. We are enjoying. We're not even thinking about a winner. So you have until Sunday to get your submissions in. But I do want to make a little bit of an announcement that we should have included on yesterday's major announcement is that if you're generating a song from AI, I don't care how good the song is.

5:18Like you are disqualified. It's just, even though some of them have been really good, first of all, the AI songs sound more like what should be your next single, not a theme song for the show. So that's a different conversation, but it's just not in the spirit of this competition to just generate something for AI. This is a creative competition to create original lyrics, original music. And so if your song is AI generated, I love you for participating, but you are not qualified. I also feel like a lot of the AI generated songs focus too much on like the toast as a piece of bread and real ones know.

5:49Like AI is obviously not a toaster yet, but they would know like that has nothing to do with the show and the song. Yeah, so. So I'm loving what we're seeing so far. I'm loving it. Do you have a front, I have two front runners in my head. What do you think? Okay, so I have two front runners too so far. Now I wanna, you know, the song that we end up with, like I do have some changes that I want to request from the songwriter upon handing over the song. Like neither are perfect, you know? But again, like I'm fully open to more submissions. I'm loving this journey and I've really been surprised at how quickly people have come up with like really cute stuff.

6:29No, agreed. And I love what we've seen so far. However, I also feel like the best is yet to come because I feel like the real Matthew Comas of the world are still in the studio laying down tracks. And so like the things that are going to come in the next few days might actually be even more produced than what we've already seen. Yeah. So even though like I have two that I would be like so proud to play at the beginning of the show, I'm holding space that like the winner might not even have submitted yet. The best is yet to come. Yeah. Yeah, take your time. There's no, you know, award for finishing the quickest.

6:58So that's what she says. I'm following the hashtag. So I'm seeing everything. Me too. although like the majority of the competition is taking place on tiktok and i have to say like it has been like a true nightmare to have to share all those with you and i wanted to let everybody know um if you really want to be taken seriously and i can't download your video for whatever reason some people have like privacy settings on it doesn't bode well so make sure your privacy settings are set to where i can dns it for jackie yeah also we were watching jerry number two last night so we were busy but at the end of each day i will go on zach's phone and look at the TikTok videos.

7:33But you just have to like, just know that for you, Claudia, like until the end of the day, I won't have seen them all. So if you want me to see something, yes, you do have to DNS. Big TikTok news they announced yesterday is that not only do we have until Sunday, but it wasn't as previously reported that the app is gonna just, you know, disappear from the app store. But if you have it on your phone, it's gonna continue to work. They plan on shutting down US operations on Sunday. So I think the app itself will stop working. Yeah, no, like you'll click it and there'll be a link to a website about the ban.

7:59Damn. And now it's really setting in for me. Now, I feel happy that, you know, it's, I feel like when I was coming up as like a content creator, everybody was like, well, what would you do if Instagram disappears? And it's like, well, it's not, so shut up. Well, I'm sure people who got their careers, you know, started on TikTok, their friends and family have been like, well, what would you do if TikTok disappears? And like, now that's actually a reality. So my heart goes out to people who have created careers, like, and not really become multi-platform and started YouTube channels or Instagram followings.

8:26for me like as a creator in terms of like my job tiktok like creates revenue for me but it's not my biggest platform and it's not germane to the operation yeah it's like it's supplemental to the podcast and my instagram so i have other things outside of it so i feel as like a internet personality like i feel safe but i do worry about like the swirlies who popped off in covid and had millions of followers and like i've been doing but didn't expand beyond that like starting a YouTube channel or a podcast or something else. And you know, not to be like Patricia Altshul, but anytime like a creator like asks me for advice, I always tell them like to go off platform, like have a million different things because you really never know.

9:04And so it'll be interesting to see how the landscape of like your favorite creators exist outside of TikTok. A lot of them have transcended the platform and like now we don't even think of them as TikTokers, but a lot of them have it. And if there are a lot of people's favorite creators, then of course, you're going to follow your favorite creator wherever they go next. So I think it will be more so for people who kind of like blew up didn't do much after that but was like kind of resting on their laurels of like having a big following for one reason or another but most of the big creators like they're they are multi-platform they post their videos to reels like I think a lot of people will be okay but you will have to put on your business woman and man panties and get creative and start to enterprise yeah and start to franchise exactly I love that um yeah so as somebody who's like heavily interested in the media landscape of influencers and content creators.

9:48I do think this will be really interesting to see. I think it'll be detrimental for some people and for some people they won't be affected. I think it depends on what you've done with your time so far. Yeah. But the app is like actually like allegedly. And then they say like Trump's gonna save it now. Biden's saying, wait, I want in. Like I feel like everybody, like someone wants to look like the hero here because like, oh, if you're a politician and you want Gen Z to fucking love you, save this dumb app, like just do it. They're all going to Red Note already and like signing up for the Chinese army.

10:14Like. Right, right. That's really funny. Like the terms and conditions are all in Chinese. Like who knows what, literally the whole app is in Chinese. Like who knows what they're signing up for. So it's actually, people's alternatives are worse. So just figure it out. Maybe TikTok wasn't so bad. Right, right. As we all march off to General Chi, you know? I do think that it will be banned Sunday and then it will be back early next week. I think it's like part of the first 100 days. Executive orders, yeah. Also, I was just reading a tweet. Monday of next week is MLK day, inauguration day. It was the first day without TikTok and it's like a big college football day.

10:55Like it's like, it's like everything's happening on one day next week. Countdown too. It really feels that way. Plus like it will be a few days after Molly Mays documentary. So we'll all still be like reeling from that. Also the inauguration performers like are kind of starting to pop off. I feel like once Carrie Underwood took the bullet, Gavin DeGraw was more than happy to follow suit. like she no one wants to be guys rascal flats is reuniting to perform at the inauguration like it's turning into jack's fest yeah maga ball equals jackie ball like literally there nobody wanted to be like the first one because even when i think about like mainstream people who are like publicly fans of trump like i think of kid rock who's like he doesn't have much to lose right now like he's not like touring or whatever i think of jason aldean and i think like definitely that was like a big thing for him but I don't know it doesn't feel as different for a woman to do it it's like actually so much different so for Carrie Underwood to like bear the brunt of it she is taking the heat forever and everyone else is sort of like scurrying in behind her Rascal Flatts Gavin DeGraw so are Rascal Flatts Gavin DeGraw and Jason Aldean is also performing are they performing oh I don't know at the inauguration or like at other things there's like a ball and then but like where's the one that's on tv where like and also like if Rascal Flatts are performing and it's not on TV.

12:09Are you kidding me? Right. Well, we're just gonna have to take a trip to Uncasville. Oh, I am going to Uncasville. But I'm not taking a trip to DC to see them. I couldn't do that like for their tour. I smell like barbecue. Maybe the building's burning. No, someone's like definitely cooking. I love the smell of barbecue. Yeah, it is a good one. I also feel like I'm just like phantom smelling things that I wish I was eating. Do you wish you were eating barbecue? I wish I was eating period like that's just kind of where i'm at understood um i want to talk about tums okay tums have become off tums have become i mean they've always been really important to me but so crazy is you didn't you and i didn't grow up in like a tums household like we grew up in a household where like we took advil we weren't like christian scientists but like you know everybody gravitates towards their own pharmaceuticals and i know we didn't grow up in like a a house with like gastrointestinal issues.

13:02We're not a family with tummy issues. No, we have like headaches and pains and joints. That's why we love Advil. But I don't know. I just, okay, so then when I started dating Ben, one thing about Ben is like ever since he was in high school. He's a tummy issue man. Well, yes, but ever since he was in high school, Ben drives everywhere. That's like his thing. They used to call him the vehicle because he was huge, but also because he always had a vehicle. And when we used to like, when we were dating, we spent a lot of time in his car and him and his family, like they're a Tums family. They had - What are you doing in the car?

13:31Fucking. I'm kidding. They had, Jackie, the biggest vat of Tums you've ever seen. I actually think it was like generic brand from like Costco. Like they don't even make Tums this big. And I remember like Ben made me take one once. Like I don't even think I was feeling anything. I'm just like, what are Tums? Like I've always seen them. Lo and behold, it was a slippery slope. It was a gateway drug. Like now I truly can't live without Tums, especially being pregnant. In pregnancy, yeah. And Tums is innovating constantly. I feel like they've been around forever, but like they're unscented, unflavored, like OG pieces of chalk, like are their bread and butter.

14:05But now they make a bunch of different Fococ. You know, they have the smoothie ones, which I like, but they've recently reformulated and not reformulated. They offer a second variety, a second formula. And they're like Skittles. They're like extra large Skittles. They're like hard candy shell and then like chewy gummy on the inside. I believe they're called the Chewy Bites. I have the assorted berries flavor right here. I want to say they're terrible. They don't work. They taste good, obviously. Like, yeah, Skittles taste good, too. They don't work. No, they don't work. We like, we got duped like because the package is so much better than the like stupid roll.

14:37And it's like colorful and it tastes good. No, and like crunching on that chalk is icky. So if you don't have to do that, like that would be nice. But it's not as effective. Yeah, I feel like I need RFK to look into this. I just feel like it's not. RFK's gotten to work. You see that red dye ban? I did. And then it got me thinking, do you think that there's red three? And like, these are red. Look at the ingredients. Yep. There are other red dyes. Obviously, Red 40. I'm familiar with Red 40. Which is also not good. But apparently, the dye that was banned is even worse than Red 40. It's been banned in cosmetics.

15:09So we're ingesting and we couldn't even put it on our skin. That's so crazy. Okay, active ingredients. I look forward to more changes like this. It's been really positive. No, actually. Oh, wait. There's definitely not. Oh, my God. Wait. You're going to die. There's Red 40 in here. I believe that's just red. That's really crazy. And there's yellow and blue numbers. Do we care about those? Food colorings aren't great, but red 40 is worse. And also, red 40 is also just bad for kids. I don't know how much it affects adults. But also, does it affect, does it make like, you know, in utero them all hyper?

15:42I don't know. Oh my God, baby starts kicking. You know, I think I've started to feel kicks. Oh, it starts as like flutters, right? Yeah, okay. I'm feeling what I thought was gas. And I'm like, damn, I've been having so much gas at night. And then when I went to my pelvic floor therapy, she was like, have you felt any kicks? I'm like, no. But like, does it feel like bubbles like in your pussy? And she was like, yeah. She was like, yeah. I was like, oh. And then it will be an unmistakable foot. So no, I'm definitely like, I'm feeling kicks galore. Oh, that's so sweet. I think we've got a little soccer star on our hands.

16:12Oh, that's a classic saying. There's a couple of classic sayings. I've actually ended up on like a side of TikTok where they're like, you know, like talking about classic sayings that they hate. And like people are like, how inappropriate is when they say, oh, she's going to be a heartbreaker. I'm like, no, that's cute. you're calling her pretty like thanks I have no problem with it I know they're just like they just want to be a part of the like offended party yeah fun to be no we live in a society that places a lot of value on victimhood so I think everybody's like always attaching themselves to like well I'm a woman I'm a Jewish woman I'm a queer Jewish woman like however many things you can like tally makes you like more valuable more like powerful and let's just be clear like I am a pregnant jewish woman sorry a plus size jewish woman and pregnant yeah so yeah but i feel like pregnant is like temporary so you can't no oh my god i'm sorry if there's ever a sect of society that we would actually give a pass for it would be the pregnant woman a thousand percent and the thing is what about the quiet woman you don't have it forever and what about the quiet woman well the quiet woman let's talk about her since she can't speak for herself i'm sorry what was that since she can't speak for herself it's thursday which is always so nice where it's like we don't have dear toasters we don't have a tv recap we don't have queenie and weenie it's just your girls it's just your girls we have really good stories i've got six maybe i'll do choose your adventure maybe i'll give you a choose i am on um like content watch for one of our stories i'm just i'm not i'm not convinced that the matt james story ends here Okay.

17:50So I will be checking my phone periodically if you see me, just to make sure, like, he hasn't said, hey, guys, I've been hacked, you know? Yes. Okay. Well, that's a little teaser for the stories. And I guess without further ado, we could get into them. So now, what's today's date? I also had another countdown. I'm going to tell you. Let me guess. I can't have any fun here. Because you want to know something? There's something that I haven't shared. I feel like I've been really quiet at the Redheads because the book I chose for this month, it was it publishes today so we had to like wait a week till that's really crazy I know but I was like AI it was an AI recommendation they recommended a bunch of books I had read some this one looked really good I was like you know what it will be like super new and great but it's like you can't buy it it's like sold out and it's I think it might I think also if you're doing like Libby it makes it really hard if it's like a brand new book so all eyes on redheads because I might have to change the book yikes i'll still go to read it in my personal time because it looked good and i did pre-order it but it's kind of a mess that's unprecedented where you might have to like renege on a choice we actually had to do it once because snitch chose a book that was unavailable to buy anywhere interesting it wasn't even on kindle interesting yeah it's happened before but it's a pain in the ass and i'll deal with it yes that's great to be a redhead well i feel as though it is time.

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24:22Now my very first thing I saw when I woke up was this and I was like, Oh my God, Matt James has been hacked. Like I did not believe this for a second. Then I saw it getting picked up. It's in page six. Okay. Magazine. So I'm like, okay, to me this. And so I have a lot of thoughts on these two breaking up. If they did, I am not going to share them because I don't think that they broke up. First of all, the post is very strange. A lot of people are like, why is he tagging a random airport, a random hotel near the airport in Pennsylvania? It's like, Oh, you guys have no idea what neemacolon is the herstory of neemacolon i thought it was weird that he tagged neemacolon like period because they met there like so long ago right so like matt james was the bachelor during covid and while they usually travel the globe during the bachelor season during covid they were limited so they took over this big hotel in pennsylvania called neemacolon and i've been dying to go ever since so that's what neemacolon is for those who don't know because it's they've really had like a very illustrative career post-bachelor as like bloggers influencers food people so people maybe don't even know them from the show um I thought the caption was beyond strange not to bring religion into it at all but the verbiage was so like oh I'm a hacker from Turkey and this is how Americans talk like I disagree I don't think he was hacked I think that they broke up I think this is um an interesting way to announce it also she hasn't posted anything but her posting cadence if you follow her is not typical like she doesn't posts for days or weeks at a time and then she posts like a recap of her last week or something so for her not to be online right now is not and for her for her most recent in feed post to be december 4th which a lot of people is like well they've obviously broken up she's taking a month off no if you look back she posts like once a month yeah who posts some feed anymore no it's not an indicator for me she has no stories right now which and then people are also like well 13 hours ago he posted a reel of them together they were in london eating pizza now i think that a lot lot of people don't realize how many content creators do not post in real time I think it's very possible that they're back in the states and that trip was two weeks ago and they've broken up since um so none of that is like compelling to me I just don't believe it because it's such a bizarre announcement it is not your typical announcement but the fact that he went rogue and she's still silent when like a lot of public people even when they like don't end really well they always release a joint statement just to be like we're good leave us alone like I don't know it's weird well I think that they broke up and now in thinking about them in their relationship I haven't really thought about them in a while I think it makes sense because they've been dating a really long time and so either they were about to announce that they're engaged or that they broke up and I think they could go either way with these things and now thinking about them I really you know they've been kind of quiet I feel like maybe they've been on and off for some time because there's always been like rumors about them and the way that they started they obviously met on The Bachelor and then they broke up live on the show.

27:07Yeah. Yeah. And so they've always been a little touch and go and that they didn't get engaged sooner. I think, yeah, it's time. Yeah. When I think about it, like at a glance, these two potentially breaking up, it's, it's surprising, but, but it's really not. I think that if I were to like really look inward and think about what I think of these two, I feel like I almost see them more as like roommates and friends than like romantic partners they seem like they get along really well they have common interests but they like to eat they like to eat but it just also feels like it has been so long especially when you come from the bachelor we're like it's really crazy you get engaged after and so while theirs was a little bit less traditional because they had that big scandal they broke up they got back together you're still used to people from the bachelor moving in like an orderly fashion um and not only do they not do that they maintained a relationship for so many years without progressing for years so yeah like them being broken up isn't crazy to me the announcement is so crazy which is why I'm truly I am truly in disbelief yeah it's a crazy announcement I like when someone shakes it up a little bit you know it's not what's expected it's not a joint statement please respect our privacy it's a public prayer just remind me every 20 minutes to like check my phone to see if like anything happened because I'm just I'm I'm not convinced okay so do you think they're still together well so a lot of people who are like me and the thing is to be clear I'm not in denial like oh my faves broke up I'm not in denial you're confused I am and so I think a lot of people are coming up with theories like I am and a lot of people think that like this is the first clue in many that they're actually engaged their relationship has ended as boyfriend and girlfriend give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts give us a piece about this decision to end our relationship that's your in some worldly understanding they have ended their relationship maybe why i find shocking excuse me hold on bless you maybe why i find this shocking is because i've never known these two to be particularly religious like if hannah brown broke up with someone and left this as her caption i'd be like well with the good lord onto you like i don't and i'm sure everybody's allowed to like be religious and like keep it to themselves I just don't know this about them as like a characteristic so it just felt so out of left field too and I could see like a hacker like LARPing as an American I don't know I just I find it I don't know I just don't think a hacker is this in the weeds and that they've hacked into this big account and this is what they're gonna do so I think it they're they're social media even cadence of posting and things that it's not really like traditional like here's every thought and feeling it's not it's much more curated yep so I think this was like curated and I think they're broken up and that's that on that I'm in shock that they broke up no that like this is how we're finding out it's so weird yeah well good luck to them in this next chapter of their lives yeah there's a lot of you know whispers about who these two could date next which is always a fun game to play with like two hot young thangs they could also go on paradise they shouldn't go on paradise they have really i think the fact that so many people didn't even know what nema colin was like really proves how far away from the franchise they are and how they successfully turned into like content creators and celebrities yeah um but that doesn't mean they can't date around in the real reality star pool like country star for her love chase rice love chase rice he's always available i She could see her with Riley Green.

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30:41Even though I ship him and that girl, Ella. It look like you love me. I could see it too. It look like you want me to want you to come on home. I ended up on like fan fiction about those two. Did I tell you about that? Could you see her with Craig Conover? That's what people were saying on social media. I saw it on Liz Woods' Instagram. I not only could see. That was an original thought I just want to say. Oh, yeah, no, you're not the only one. A lot of people said that. Because I'm going into the archives. And I would love. Because I also feel like I remember seeing content from them that was like talking about getting engaged.

31:22And how like Matt, I forget what it was, but it was like the subtext was like that Rachel's sort of like waiting. And that's never a good place to be. It's almost like her and Craig were in the same position. Yeah. so I could see them also just getting along on an interests level yes yes I could see her moving to Charleston same adding value to the show I could see that as well they're both very good looking people like it won't be hard no it won't to to venture out that's fun that is fun but I need a little bit more before I can like really close the chapter on these two I'm beyond confused okay well are you ready for our next story yes Wendy Williams is making headlines as she insists that she's not cognitively impaired and feels like she's in prison in a bombshell breakfast club interview so Wendy Williams called into the breakfast club on Thursday morning in a plea for freedom the 60 year old and her niece told listeners that she is trapped in a facility in New York with elderly patients without access to her phone or laptop while under guardianship She called her situation emotional abuse in the bombshell interview.

32:33She said, I am not cognitively impaired, but I feel like I am in prison. I am definitely isolated. To talk to these people who live here, that is not my cup of tea. She said, I keep the door closed. I watch TV. I listen to the radio. I watch the window. I sit here and my life goes by. She claimed her cats have been taken and are gone despite her wanting to be with them. and that she is in a conservatorship despite not being cognitively impaired. So this immediately reminded me of some sort of Freedia McFadden book because I could see two different realities, one in which like this is a person who has been completely taken advantage of that like literally had money, had people around her who were bad faith actors and they literally put her in a facility, put her in a conservatorship and are stealing money from her.

33:16And she's trying to get her story out. But I could also see like the plot twist of this book being like she's actually deeply unwell she had a moment of lucidity or she this is like a a fantasy in her mind like what's that movie uh shutter island where he's like actually a patient and they're playing this game like i don't know it gives me the willies like i don't know what reality is yeah it's like because also it's not like there hasn't been like a couple of years of we've seen wendy williams over the last couple of years like struggle publicly with like health things and then also be on camera caught by tmz looking a little and sounding a little you know not so clear.

33:48So it's not like there isn't, but maybe they laid that path for us. Right, right. I don't know. I don't know what's true here. I don't know either. But it's a scary one to think about the first situation. It's almost too terrible to think about. Yeah. Like I hope, like not that I want her to be unwell, but I hope that the truth is that she is dealing with some sort of, she's incapacitated in some way and that's why she's been placed under the care of these people and under a conservatorship and a guardianship because if it is the alternative and what she said this morning is completely true like it's a horror it's a horror yeah so I don't know maybe I'm just like saying it to make myself feel better because I refuse to like believe there's someone living literally in a prison like she's kidnapped if that's true had she had access to a phone I need to know more about the niece too yeah the niece was there helping her and like sharing more details of the situation and like maybe this niece is taking advantage of this elderly sick woman like I don't know I don't know.

34:46There's a lot. I need Frida to write a book about it to just explain it to me. Yeah, but then the end would be the cliffhanger. Kind of like the end of Juror number two, by the way. Like, what is it they're saying? Okay. So, spoiler alert. So many people, when I've watched the movie, were like, what did you think of the ending? What do you think happened? Is it a fucking mystery? Why else would the DA show up at somebody's house to chat? The police didn't show up. I know, maybe she was giving him a heads up or something, but like, if she wasn't going to turn him in, why on God's green diddly in dally earth would that bitch be at this guy's house oh i thought if they wanted to let you know for sure that he was going away for it the police would have come and arrested him they had maybe maybe they were right behind tony collette she just wanted to give him a heads up because they had like this weird friendship like it was so clear to me like you're going to jail like do you think that he should go to jail i think that had he come forward it would have been a lot different but now it looks like a bad faith actor and why would someone believe him that like this is exactly how it happened because he's been caught so you say anything when you're caught you know yeah but it's like Kiefer Sutherland said with his record this would have been strike too and they would have you know jailed for right oh Kiefer Sutherland did say that yeah I was like are you quoting Kiefer Sutherland or like I forgot he was in the movie yeah um I'm not sure.

36:09I'm not sure. It's hard to think about. Yeah. And it's hard to think about Wendy Williams. Like, seriously, wishing her well. Wendy Williams is a queen. I think her impact as a woman in media is often overlooked, actually, like, dead seriously. When we talk about the greats. When we talk about the greats. When we talk about people who, like, actually moved the needle and actually, like, entertained people for so many years. Like, we don't talk about her. Like, we talk about Ellen. But Wendy Williams often gets overlooked by the historians. and she's the type of person who actually needs a documentary because.

36:40Claudia, there was just one. About Wendy? Or was it about her situation, like her conservatorship? I mean her overarching career because she had a lifetime original movie about her that was like dramatized. I watched it. You liked it. I liked it in the way that I like Hallmark movies. Like they're terrible pieces of shit, you know? But my takeaways from it were like really how she came up in radio and went on to become like one of the, you know, longest running women in daytime. It's actually really impressive and nobody talks about it. And I think if they gave her like a proper documentary, people would really respect her.

37:13But I do think she gets like, she has like written off a little bit. Do you feel that? Like, we're just like, oh, crazy Wendy Williams. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if it's because of like what's happening now or. No. And when you think of her cultural impact, like so many like viral TikTok sounds like are literally just Wendy Williams. Like, yeah. Are you a Nikki fan? am I a Nikki fan? Pull up in the, what did Wendy Osefa from Real Housewives of Potomac, she misquoted the Nicki Minaj line. Am I a Nikki fan? Pull up in the monster, the real lyrics is put up in the monster automobile gangster, but she says, pull up in the Sri Lanka.

37:50Also, clap if you're fat. Like there are so many Wendy Williams. She's so funny. So I'm going to choose to remember Wendy this way. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. So fans are trying to give Leighton Meester the Heidi Pratt treatment. Leighton Meester's fans hype up the actress's underappreciated pop music to help her rebuild her home after the LA fires. So Leighton Meester and Adam Brody, their house was one of the first to burn down in the LA fires. And now fans are starting to hype up her music that she released back in the day and try and do for Leighton what the internet did for Heidi's music as well.

38:31so I love this the fact that her songs are just re-entering the zeitgeist I'll never be upset about however do we know that they didn't have insurance like the thing why everybody felt so compelled to help Spencer and Heidi has been very vocal that farmers insurance dropped them like he's been outspoken about that so I don't know if Leighton and Adam are in the same situation they're also not in the same situation because I think like financially they're a lot better off than like two former reality stars who are like active content creators versus you know he has a hit show on Netflix I think she chooses to work when she wants to work like I think they're very different situations yeah but her songs are coming back into the fold now of course somebody to love your love's a drug I don't know how the royalties on summer girl would get to her because it is from the movie it's owned by like Warner Brothers and I do wish the initiative was a little more like let's all watch country strong to support Layton yeah because that is a challenge I could definitely be a part of um but I think every now and then we're reminded of the great work she did in the music industry and so if this is just another reminder for a young generation to be influenced by her music and her work then I'm not upset about it I just want to say I don't think it's the same situation as Heidi and Spencer yeah also good girls go bad and she did have a debut album Heartstrings with Universal Republic um no no that was independently released oh so that's even more oh so we should be streaming her independent music but her previously she was with Universal or public with your love's your drug.

39:52That was really crazy how her decision after Gossip Girl was to become a pop star, which was a brilliant decision. And I don't think any of the other girls had the same goals. So it wasn't competitive at all. And how she really made an impact, even at the time, like she was popping off. It's not like now we look back and be like, no. And then she just sort of decided she didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah. Well, who would give up a career like that? She was like giving them bitches a run for their money. No, I feel like she's a real one. Like she really keeps herself. I think she just like lives her life is in a happy marriage works now yes she's very settled works to work but maybe all of the glitz and glam in the industry like wasn't for her and she's also in that show parenthood like don't let's not forget which is a big show one of my favorite Leighton Meester moments is like actually somewhat recently after her and Seth Cohen had been married for a while and they don't do like a lot of press together I think one of the first times they did an interview together like entertainment tonight the interview was like do you guys understand like the impact of Leighton me sir blair waldorf marrying seth cohen and they were like no like they literally don't give a fuck and then by the way jackie they gave the fans nothing they were like we like we get it like we were both on shows but like they are so wrong for that i just want to say you have to watch the interview it's like this girl it was a good question i can't blame the journalist she was like do you get it like what it means to so many people and she was like no she was like what do you mean like we're married and she's like and we act like she was just like very literal about it oh my god that is and i get it she wasn't like a teenager who got to appreciate blair waldorf and seth cohen but like she doesn't get it and i don't think she wants to get it either no no no yeah and i feel like he plays with like the internet he like you know he knows he's like playing a part like seth cona yeah like he does it for like his work and then he goes home and rolls his eyes she gives the people nothing i love it no nothing nothing well stream layton if you want to support some of us never stopped i'm just a summer girl like seriously flip flops and when i get my hair down the party never stops and who needs a boyfriend I got my girlfriends.

42:05Like that song is so good. That whole album from the Country Strong soundtrack is just fucking incredible. But the Layton songs in particular, they're not all original songs. They're like, one of them is like a Sarah Evans song. Yeah, they're covers. They're brilliant. They are brilliant beyond brilliant. Of course, there are original songs because I'm country strong. Like so many good ones. But I highly recommend taking a deep dive in the Country Strong soundtrack. I recommend streaming Country Strong to support. And watching. And listening to the album. Oh, you know, I saw a really funny interview.

42:40My boyfriend, Tim Riggins, Taylor Kitsch. You know, I'm sure he gets asked this all the time. Like, would you have a reboot? And he was like, no. If they asked me to, like, come, they're doing a reboot, and they wanted me to play, like, a coach for another team, I would maybe do an episode. But, like, I'm not committing. I'm not becoming Riggins again. Like, I don't want to be doing multiple seasons of it. and I found it so refreshing. Like obviously I'm devastated, but like why can't we let perfect things remain perfect? And I feel like he, I don't know if it was, and I don't think he's so booked and busy that he would like, you know, be too good for the job.

43:11I think he just like likes the work that he did and wants to leave it alone. And I was like, I wish we could get more comfortable answering this. Like, yes, I don't want to do it. Yeah, but also a lot of those shows when the people are like in their young adult years, like they don't look back on them as fondly as we remember it like it's they're traumatic it's like toxic you know they're not as obsessed with it as we are so we have having said that i just know that scott porter saw that interview and cried because he's ready yeah he is rwa ready willing and able are you ready for our next story if it's our next story that's brought to you by thrive cosmetics it is so whether you like fresh face full glam or a little something in between You've probably seen Thrive Cosmetics viral tubing mascara all over your social media.

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47:41Several social media users posted videos of the installment and documented the cast portraying their characters in their makeshift office space in the center of the train station. So it's just like this glass box and all the actors are in there like kind of literally larping their characters for the show to drum up some excitement for their new show Severance season two. You know it's hard to stand out when there's so many TV shows and this is a popular show. I watched the beginning of the last season. it gave me such a pit I had to turn it off I found myself like I'm not a person who suffers from like depression or anxiety I felt actively depressed and really anxious like why it's just it's a show about like a very high stress job um I think they work in finance I think it's in the UK don't correct me if I'm wrong I watched it a really long time ago um and it's like very high stakes and it's the way it's filmed is like very gray it's just like I really like had a very physical reaction to the show me and Ben were like we were really disturbed for the rest of the night and I just never forgot it I never want to watch it people love it and there's been a it was a long time ago so there's been a lot of hype for the second season and I think that you know there's so many tv shows out there and it's hard to stand out when it comes to promoting your your content I thought this was kind of brilliant it of course reminded me of where Carrie met Alexander Petrovsky where that artist was like sitting in a glass box for 24 hours no food no water you know like it was giving it was giving performance art it is performance art but these are you know artists performers and I think it's really putting them to work in a good way they're literally LARPing so I like that and I agree I now that I think of it I've heard of the show Severance I've seen like posters for it but it never really stood out from the heap of other shows yeah and this stands out now maybe I would have watched it if you said something better about it but no I don't want to feel those feelings you just described so I'll set this one out like maybe it was just me because I know people love it but like you guys I was seriously not okay was like anything disturbing happening or it's just like the fast-paced nature was like just giving you anxiety the fast the whole thing was giving me anxiety and then I remember at the very end of the first episode I don't want to say hold on let me just triple check

49:48episode one season one ending like I'm pretty sure something happened at the very end of the first episode that was disturbing really gave me a pit okay maybe not I don't remember I just remember like really having like a not good time while watching it understood well also Ben Stiller is like the director of this so he was like there like filming in Grand Central like having the best time yeah and i i'm happy for team severance like yeah i just feel like it's a particularly

50:31unglamorous task to like stand in grand central these are like celebrities like i've got who like seriously haven't been on a train and they haven't been on the train station like at the subway like i just imagine like when they got booked for this they were like oh no they haven't worked this hard in a while yeah like because it's very physical too like they had to be walking around being like whoa look at this file like I imagine while we're all enjoying it and like praising its marketing positives the actual people doing it were like this fucking blows yeah but they did it and I maybe they didn't have to and so I think that that is good and exciting for the fans of the show and we'll drum up more interest in the show for sure yeah it was giving the boy in the plastic bubble they were in this like actual clear box it was hilarious yeah that is really funny no it's smart and I liked it.

51:14Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Wow. I know. Bidding is such sweet sorrow. Sure. Well, Jen Shaw's prison sentence has been reduced again and she will be home before Thanksgiving 2026, reports are reporting. Not to sound like Sandra Bullock, but like harsher punishment for, you know, elder abuse. How would she keep getting out of prison so quick? I don't know. So she would be home in about less than two years and it's like this is she's doing her time she's not she's definitely not getting any leniency because of who she is and so she will likely come home when the show is still on the air I thought by the time she got out of prison this show would be long gone and it would just move on but no she will come back to this show how long will she have served she will when did she go in I believe it was eight-year sentence i think she she pled guilty in july 2022 so she went she got sentenced january 2023 and uh went to prison february 2023 and then by march her sentence was lessened by one year and now it has been so 2023 to 2026 three years and her original sentence was what am i correct in six and a half years got it so her okay and so I know every state is different so you can't compare like one person's sentence to another but I'm always thinking about the Chrisleys who got like such a harsh sentencing um and every time they appeal every time they get denied everything like they cannot catch a fucking break these people and their crimes were very similar to Jen Chas actually theirs were in my opinion a little bit lesser because they were stealing from banks like who gives a fuck she was stealing from like your grandma and that's pretty rough So I don't know.

53:01I know like everybody like, ha ha, Jen Shah. Like it's literally not funny, like not to be a narc, but like she literally stole from your grandma and like ruined several people's lives. Like the disabled, the elderly, like it's actually what she did. Cause I know when, when people commit financial crimes, we're like, well, you know, it's a victimless crime. Or like tax evasion celebrities, like Teresa Giudice, like who gives a fuck? Make the situation, rob the government. You're not gonna see me caring. But Jen Shah is like somebody who committed a financial crime I mean, like actually really hurt people and vulnerable people.

53:29So I don't like I don't see the memes that I'm like, ha ha. I'm like, oh, you're literally a criminal bitch. Like, bye. So do you think that they'll have her back on the show when she gets out? Of course. Yeah. Bravo doesn't give a fuck. No, they don't have like actual scruples when it comes to like morally bankrupt individuals. Plus the precedent is there. Teresa came back on the show after serving time. And I think for Bravo, it's like, well, you did the crime. You served your time. Why are we going to miss out on entertainment value? Yeah. and it's actually been very interesting to see the show go on without Jen Shaw and really prosper without her.

54:00Whereas like the show for Real Housewives of New Jersey was like very much in this terrible state of limbo until Teresa got back. Like they had these turn the twins and Amber Marchese. Like that was some of the darkest times on reality TV. But they didn't film without her. They waited for her. There was one season without her. I'm pretty sure they waited for her though. Like I know what you're talking about that season. It feels like she wasn't there. but then I remember reading like she was in prison for a year and they waited no fucking way okay hold on

54:40Teresa by the way you're 100 % right she never missed a season yeah so maybe she was laying low for one reason or another that season with the twins but she was there so Amber Mar Casey was on season six okay and so was tree wait that's so crazy that i don't remember it that way i remember there being like dire you thought that she was there because tree wasn't and the twins were there to fill tree's void yeah because they literally started filming when she came home from prison like that night cameras up so the real houses in new jersey focused on theresa melissa and dina dina returned after originally leaving the series in season two and former cast members jacqueline larita and kathy wakili appeared kathy wakili appeared periodically throughout the season but they were replaced as was caroline manzo by theresa amber marquise and nicole napolitano like those three turn housewives oh man that's like so interesting i always thought that they were the way i like i remember it mandela effect is like no they literally like we're trying to hold it down without tree and couldn't get arrested yeah no that's so funny oh my god okay never mind um well what i mean is that real house was just like said he's having a banner year people are obsessed with it and i actually found when jen was on and like actively being arrested actively being investigated by the fbi some of the worst fucking tv i've ever seen in my life when it should have been manifique it was literally they were handed they were literally all handed careers because of that like it was the things that dreams are made of for a reality star and the fact that they were all like fighting over dumb things that had nothing to do with Jen I'm like are you guys dumb like what's going on so the fact that like not a lot of time is going to pass between it felt like when even when Jen came back to the show would have been like six seven eight years that like the stories between them like whatever but now it's like all still kind of fresh they're all like always still like actively talking about and being asked about Jen I'm sure she reads about it in prison like she will have a laundry list of things to talk to Heather Day about like that I don't really want to go back there honestly.

56:41Well it's not like we're watching currently. Yeah but I heard it's so good. Yeah I have heard really good things but I guess she will be back whenever she comes out. But she's kind of like one of these people who's just like a agent of chaos where I think like she just wanted to make like the best craziest interesting TV but it didn't make sense. And I don't like that. Like I don't mind someone being like a supervillain when they're consistent but she would just like say things just to like disrupt a dinner. And it's like, this is not grounded in anything. Yeah, she wasn't grounded to any person even in particular.

57:13She didn't have like one friend that she wouldn't turn on. People like that who like seriously, just for the sake of entertaining, just try and comfort everyone and everything and say everything. It's actually like not fun to watch because like we're supposed to be believing that this is a group of friends who have like actual ties to one another. And when she was so untethered, just like coming for everyone, I was like. Yeah, that's not my favorite. I know it's like crazy and like pops up, but like it just doesn't, it's not, doesn't make sense to me. And there's no continuity. and that's what I found like frustrating it's like well literally three minutes ago you were saying the nastiest things but now you're crying that this is your best friend that's confusing yeah I like when I can see like clear alliances and like who's actually friends yeah because this is always supposed to be about like a group of women who are friends and now we've gotten to a point where it's such a job that like they're all virtual strangers until they meet yeah but and when they're not filming they don't hang it hits harder when it's like friendships and there's history even if the drama isn't good that's like Beverly Hills it's just two friends who are kind of like like ships passing right now and like they're missing each other but because the friendship like runs so deep it's what makes it interesting yeah now would be the time where for you to share whatever thing you had to say about the ending of juror number two oh my god so no not the ending necessarily but just the whole movie like i had such a pit for this guy like could there be a worse feeling in the world than like having killed someone and like facing like accidentally like you didn't do it on purpose you weren't drinking you like realize that you've killed someone like you have to go to jail like now i thought that at the end when they were showing us like flashback scenes i thought they were gonna make it so that he actually like wasn't guilty no wasn't guilty um because they were like they're showing him driving and the other the boyfriend driving then the boyfriend turns around and i was like wait that would have been actually really good if they like fucked with us and then he's but he still thinks that he did it and he looks so guilty that he ends up going to prison for a crime he didn't commit like I thought that would have been like a little bit more interesting yeah or it's like maybe someone hit her first and then he did hit a deer and it just happened to be like right after but that would have let us off the hook too much like morally we wouldn't have to like deal with this really hard question of like does this person who is a what was a drug dealer who has done like he is a criminal who's going to jail for something that he didn't do does Nicholas Holt deserve to go to jail when he has a baby at home and he's an otherwise good person like like an upstanding citizen yeah yeah it's also interesting I've never been a part of a jury um and I can only imagine what goes on in those rooms like for real like there definitely are people who like don't care who just want to get back to work like the lady was a bus driver like I felt her like seriously not my problem like I have kids I have a job like I gotta go um and there are a lot of dynamics at play so I felt like it was like getting behind the scenes and it wasn't a real jury room but I'm sure a lot of them go down like that um where some people are just like so stubborn some people are like so weak like one person says something they're like yeah and then oh actually you know yeah like I think it's such an interesting like dynamic of humanity that I thought they did a good job showing those like jury scenes too because it was like god people are such fucking losers yeah and it really is like one person it's worth a conversation right right but that's also the crazy thing about a jury is like there can't even be one it's not majority rules like it's not 12 to 1 it's 11 to 1 it's 12 to 0 right and then if one person won't budge it's a hung jury yeah

1:00:33he should have let it be a hung jury though no because if it's a hung jury he'll get tried again yeah like they can go back and reinvestigate that's what his lawyer was saying like getting this guy guilty like helps you personally yeah unless him opening his big fat mouth in the jury room and being like wow what are you doing unless they could get a not guilty verdict because that's like casey anthony right she was not guilty but they didn't go back out and try and find the person who did it yeah there wasn't any evidence like of anybody else that's the thing right like it was clearly casey but if he could have gotten not guilty and not had put the prosecutors onto the idea that it was someone else on that yeah they would have moved on so that would have been ideal but then when it was clear that list of cars was then added to the file like yeah there was mounting evidence like for like if you a new investigator sat down and looked like they would have said maybe it's not this guy maybe it could be someone else yeah yeah no it was definitely a good movie like it made you think me and Ben like we're talking about it a lot afterwards like what do you think is right it really posed this like ethical dilemma that there there is no right answer to like that boyfriend was like a woman beating drug dealer like bye yeah but prison for life he didn't he didn't do that he didn't do that thing yeah I I don't know I didn't really care like yeah no and it's like it's just a shame because this Nicholas Holtz has really changed his whole life and like one right accident right you know because I think if if under regular circumstances say he hadn't had that prior DUI and like this history and if he had come forward and said oh my gosh like I thought it was a DR blah blah blah Like he would have, there would have been consequences.

1:02:11No, but like it's also about intent. In the moment, if he knew he hit this girl and killed her and called the police and they showed up and they'd say like, oh, there's a inebriated woman walking in the rain in the dark on a curvy road. This guy takes a breathalyzer. He's not drunk. Like they probably wouldn't have pressed charges. So the crime itself like really wasn't a crime. Right. It's that's what they always say, bitch. It's the crime, not the cover up. No, but even if he came forward a year later and was like, oh my gosh, I think this was me. I thought I hit a deer. The issue is that he had ordered a drink at the bar.

1:02:43They can't prove that he didn't drink it. They know he's an alcoholic formerly and that he's had a DUI in the past. So it lines up to be something else because they couldn't breathalyze him. The movie was kind of brilliantly done. Like they put it, they made the situation like impossible. Yeah, it's an impossible situation. So I enjoyed it. I thought Zoe Deutsch was great. Yeah. Toni Collette, queen in her shoes. Like, it was good. J.K. Simmons. Yeah, that was an exciting touch. Kiefer Sutherland. Everybody was star-sided. It was star-sided. Clinton and Francesca. Francesca. And the boyfriend.

1:03:19What's he in? He looks familiar. I never saw him before. He looks like he was from an episode of SVU. Like a character actor. Oh, no. I've seen him in something. Let me find out what. And then we can bid you farewell. Gabriel Basso. There's no update on Matt James. So just like letting everyone know. Hillbilly Elegy. Yeah, he played J.D. Vance in Hillbilly Elegy. What? Yeah. Older J.D. Wait, that's so funny. Didn't you see that? I did see that movie, but I, by the way, nothing new for Matt James. No. But I did not recognize him in the slightest. I recognized him and that is so funny. And then also he was in one of my favorite movies, Barely Lethal, starring Haley Seinfeld and Dove Cameron.

1:04:02Of course, of course. And Sophie Turner. Don't sleep on that one. That's funny. That's our show. I think that's it. Tomorrow shall be a Cosdale Celebré. Oh, thank God. Like, we needed this. Yeah. So we bid you adieu. Adieu. I want to see that movie Night Bitch. With Amy Adams? Yeah. Okay, do it. yeah just reminded me because amy adams was in hillbilly elegy maybe you don't want to see it hold on why something bad happened i think it's just like not the sort of thing you would want to watch pregnant i don't know why i feel like it's just like a like a inside look and how hard it is to be a stay-at-home mom is that not it it's also like a horror an artist really an artist who pauses her career to be a stay-at-home mom seeks a new chapter in her life and encounters is just that when her nightly routine takes a surreal turn and her maternal instincts begin to manifest in canine form.

1:05:02Wait, what? She becomes a dog? Her maternal instincts manifest in canine form. Oh, it's not at all like how the movie was marketed towards me on TikTok. Like, I saw it as like this powerful film, like, It's magical realism. Magical realism. What? Oh my God, never mind. That reminds me of that show on Netflix with Drew Barrymore where they would eat people. The Santa Clarita diet. Yeah. All right, you guys, that's our show. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast on Monday morning show where we deliver the fast-paced stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube so you're watching us on YouTube.

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