Media Literate Truthtellers: Thursday, April 30th, 2026

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy thursday yeah that's right ladder half ladder half we're doing it we're out we're doing it we out here we out here hey cojourner how you doing what's your truth do you have a truth today truth teller hmm which of my truths do i want to share um no i don't have any truths i'm just truthing being mrs truth i am mrs truth that's really beautiful i am it's really beautiful i feel like that's the sort of like spirit to usher in the show i am mrs truth i am mrs truth and i feel like a lot of us grow up being like like Mrs. Hat and then real maturity is when you turn into Mrs.

1:17Truth. You know, I'm anti-truth. Absolutely. Absolutely. You are anti-truth. Oh, my gosh. Well, it's Thursday. How fantastic. How utterly fantastic as we usher into the latter half. Utterly. Utterly fucking fantastic. Longest week of my life to date. Literally. Yeah. it's it's been a real one you know we've had so many I feel like it used to be like there were so many short weeks or we used to just like take a day here or there but like we are just like crushing full weeks every week now when did that happen that I actually think has been like a huge part of our growth and maturity just as people is that like we used to yeah when you make your own schedule like you can take a Monday off just because you feel like it we used to do that all the time take a Friday all the time we used to do that but I think you know such you know a great part of our show and why people love it is like we are so consistent now and we never miss a show we never miss a show if we do we tap ben and we tap olivia like we try to get an episode out every fucking day and i think that's one of our great strengths and why we are so successful i'm being dead serious no it's really true so anyways yeah this week has been it's been you know i had a really fun and exciting day yesterday because i was actually with your husband oh my god i have to tell you the funniest thing ben told me about you about me yeah he gets home ben flew to florida we're like working on a project so ben flew to florida i was obviously gonna go ben went in my stead and you two like had a meeting for like a couple of hours and then he flew home so he was home by like seven o 'clock we had dinner together yeah i was like how was it how's jackie it was florida and he was like you know your sister jackie's so funny i'm like why i literally didn't do anything exactly he's like you know we pull up we meet in the parking lot she gets out of her tesla not a hug not a hey how are you like just like i saw her yesterday hey i'm just picking up where we left off and you know what you don't understand ben comes from such an affectionate family like when we come over for dinner it's like a hug you haven't seen them in weeks the goodbyes never end like kisses and hugs and jackie's like oh hey lish yeah hey lish also So I drove there on the highway.

3:30So I was going through like my own struggles, white knuckling. And I just want to say, I drive every day. I drive a lot, but I don't really drive on the highway. But I was like, I have to go on the highway. You're a local girl. I have to go on the highway for this meeting. And like, I can do it. I drive all the time. And I just want to say, the regular roads in Florida, like that you drive on, are six lane highways. Like you're not that far off. You would think. But the highway was insane. Like it was just as crazy, if not crazy. People in Florida just are all so crazy. Then I built it up in my head.

4:01Like I was seriously white knuckling the steering wheel the whole way. I did not move. Did you change lanes? Only because I like to stay in the right lane, but then the right lane becomes the merging lane. Exit. So you actually should stay two in. That way people aren't always trying to get in your lane. But then the trucks coming up on my left, like I seriously, I was not meant for it. Okay. So maybe like Ben didn't realize you were in emotional distress. Yes. And then I circled the block three times looking for parking. Like I was showing up with my own truth. You know what I mean? Like, of course, we both come to the meeting like from our own lived experience.

4:35And it wasn't just like I was blowing off my brother. Like I had a journey. Got it. So did Ben, you know, he took a whole flight. I had a co-journey. Okay. But we had a great meeting. We had so much fun. We crushed work. Crushed life. And then I drove back home on the highway. You know, you can ask Google to take you like the back roads if you're really. It's an extra 20 minutes. And I was I've been scheduling my life like five minutes too close to each thing. Like and I'm just always in a rush. And I don't like that feeling. So I went to a little birthday celebration for my friends who are twins, Anna and Rachel.

5:13And the theme was Mahjong. And it just made me realize like I need to have a Mahjong birthday party. It was like so Parchi. First of all, we had dinner and then Mahjong. and like they had like little gift bags. How many people were there? 12. It was like really. Three tables? There was actually only two tables because you know we're in New York City. We have limited space. We can't be like setting up folding tables everywhere we go. But you know a lot of my friends play very casually. So like they play on teams. I'll sit this one out. Me I sat. I got a seat first. Play on teams? Yeah yeah. I don't play.

5:40No everybody knows not to be on my team. Get away from me. I don't play on teams. And they had like such a cute cake. It was like mahjong tiles and like little giveaways mahjong and like little snacks with the cups that said like mahjong munchies. I need to have a mahjong birthday party. Like if I was having a bat mitzvah now, my theme would be mahjong. That's really cute. Well, we'll be together for your birthday. Maybe we could have a mahjong party. Why not? I love that. Since it'll be summer, like a garden party. We would set up like a bunch of tables outside and play mahjong. Yeah. Speaking of birthdays, Zach's birthdays this weekend, we're actually going to do like a little something.

6:12Wow. Thank you for reminding me. I had no idea. Well, it's because it's May tomorrow. I didn't realize obviously that it was May. shocking facts i've ever heard and i find this first week in may just to be annoying um because pretty much everyone i've ever met is born this week my sister both my brother-in-laws my friend alicia like our father who aren't in heaven um it's just like it's annoying i can't but what's being asked of you just to sort of be there whether it be physically or emotionally or like send a text send flowers a cake like it's a lot nobody needs flowers except for margo like you have to do something for your sister uh yeah no and then like margo's having two birthday celebrations that i have to go to both next week like it's oh what's she doing miss satchi yeah she's having sort of like a family gathering and then also like a friends gathering and obviously as a family member who's like a friend i've been invited to both that's so cute i gotta catch up with Miss Margo.

7:12Well, I don't because I was invited to both. Yeah. Well, we have a fun plan. We're going to do like a little backyard BBQ and a little and also say I'm going to put out a little maj table for the ladies. Of course, of course. Yeah, yeah, of course. Margo actually did text me yesterday. I guess she was catching up on her episodes of The Toast and she said I kind of was spot on with my take on Stagecoach in terms of like the vibes being sort of off and like the performers being meh. Really? She said like it's always the best weekend like she had the best time but compared to years past yeah it was just like a meh lineup oh okay now we know yeah the truth instagram's just a highlight reel oh yeah don't believe everything you see except on our pages and on this podcast only truths i mean i'm literally mrs truth and she's anti-truth we don't do only fans we do only truth q rect we should start a competitive platform speaking of our truths no we should start streaming on truth social like we are anti and this is true we should like how some people have like an ex exclusive chloe chloe in wonderland some people have like youtube exclusive facebook exclusive we have a truth social exclusive because we speak the truth who we do co-journers truth um also speaking of the end of the month and my truth i posted my kitchen reno vlog last night i know because i was like i said at my mahjong party and you know so many of my friends are patreon subscribers and they got the notification and they were like oh jackie redid her kitchen i'm like how do you know they got the notification they got the notification at the party yeah so i posted my vlog last night it's like so much fun so much work and you really see like a full transformation like the payoff is real from start to finish like oh I can't wait yeah so it's great and there's a little bit more that needs to be done it's all in the vlog and I explain like why I just posted the vlog already um so I'll continue to take you along on my co-journey and you have a new kitchen what's that been like for you it's been amazing it's so exciting to look at new things and just like new vibes and comes afresh and it's it's been really fantastic I know that's why like I'm afraid of one day being a homeowner who like lives in the same place because when you live in the city and you rent like you move every two years so it's like always exciting just but just when you start to hate it it's time to move but you could always just like redo a room which is so exciting and you own it and like it it's yours yeah I guess like I see the value in that for sure yeah like when I did your guest room I actually was just watching snippets from that vlog when I redid the guest room that you stayed in with the wallpaper and like that's just such a fun feeling it's addicting yeah yeah you've got the bug I've got the bug Maybe I should do my laundry room next.

9:55I love a Pardy laundry room. I love laundry room inspo, like Pinterest with lots of people. People go all out with their open shelves. They put all their detergent in acrylic bins. Oh, no, but also they do colored cabinetry, maybe wallpaper, backspot. Need. Love, love, need. Okay, next. That's next. I have to do for Patreon. I've got to. I've got to make the content. I don't know what the other four stories are, but I know that there's one story that sort of demands our attention and that's Wes Wilson's grandmother. Yeah. Yeah. That's the first story. This scam and of all has taken such a turn.

10:37I don't, I, I really haven't had a chance to like dig into this story yet. I mean, I was reading it this morning and like, we'll talk about it. So it's just like, hasn't really sunk in for me, you know? Yeah, obviously. It's a lot to take in, of course. But also the timeline being like so recent. Like this is all happening now. Yeah. Like the grandmother passed away the night before he left for the reunion. So like this is literally last week. Yeah. And like he's sitting at the reunion knowing that his grandmother, not passed away, was murdered by his cousin. And maybe he has like some sort of inclination.

11:09He doesn't know that it was the cousin. Maybe. Like maybe. I think they knew. No, the cousin was sitting there on the couch with the grandpa and the grandma. They got into a fight like 30 minutes prior. but then he was just like sitting there silently and then turned around and shot her in the head. Was Wes there? No, no, no. Why would Wes be there? He was in... Where's he from? Missouri? Midwest. Yeah, he was there and then he left to go to the reunion. Like he had gone home. Interesting. But it's home his grandma's house? Maybe like his mom's house. And it happened the night before the reunion so I think he would be back in New York the night before.

11:47That's insane. Yeah. We'll talk about it. That's obviously our lead story. Police arrived and they arrested the cousin. Like, there was no question as to who done it. Oh, oh, oh, oh. So we're just finding out. Yeah. That's crazy that it took so long. I'm pretty sure by the time the reunion filmed the next morning, like, he knew that his grandma was dead and that his cousin had done it. I'm pretty sure. Do you think they talked about it? I don't know. Because it wasn't public knowledge until yesterday. Like, why would Andy know, like, that his grandma even passed away? well and he didn't speak up at all so he's not going to certainly share he might have shared it at the top maybe one of the producers shared it like i don't know it seems like relevant information of course it does but i do want to say i think that yes and i think that it's going to be completely absent from the if i like if nobody knew maybe amanda but like they've decided not to bring it up yeah i don't think it's going to be discussed yeah i mean he could have said like my grandma died last night but who would believe him like dog ate my homework yeah and then you add like and it was my cousin who killed her like sure west you'll say anything to get out of this scandal you're this is slow even for you so that's obviously our first story oh i do need to update my whiteboard because yesterday was our third show without talking about the licks first lex scandal in a formal capacity we're kind of crushing it do we have any stories today no we don't No, we're clean.

13:13I feel like the next time we inevitably talk about it. We're three days clean. Oh, that's such an ugly three. Three days sober, I must admit. Just because you're clean don't mean you don't miss it.

13:31I feel like the next time we talk about it in a formal capacity will be inevitably when this Vanity Fair article comes out that people keep saying is coming, yet I have not seen. That's classic, isn't it? I know. It's like maybe the Vanity Fair article was the friends we made along the way. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it just doesn't exist. Yeah, that's what the phrase means. The friends didn't exist? No, it's just like. It's not what the phrase means, actually, in the way that you described it to me. Okay. Right? Okay. You're fine. No, no, no, but right? Because I'm trying to wrap my head around this fucking phrase.

14:07Maybe, you know what? maybe let's just say that the phrase isn't for you and you don't have to engage with it. I just used it properly, like perfectly actually slay on my part. Really? Yeah. And if you don't get it, that's fine. I don't understand half the shit you say. Pass muster. They try to explain. No, and I did. And you just still don't get it. I just think, but it not existing isn't the point of the phrase, I believe. No, no. It is. and where's the phrase come from the interwebs where all great things come from where all great things happen yeah um yeah tbd on bad any fair but yeah i don't think we'll be talking about it in a formal capacity anytime soon i don't think like major things are going to happen no and alex cooper has moved on business as usual yeah kevin hart i do feel like she's posting a little bit more and perhaps a little bit more intentionally you know she posted like a really benign kind of moronic instagram story yesterday about wearing uggs to the office ah and i i feel as though it was a not so subtle response to the claims in that article that she never goes to the unwell office and it's a sinking ship and her husband is yelling at everyone because she's not there she's too busy with the only successful project so i feel like that was like oh yeah what do you mean i'm instagram straight because i'm in the office like i'm always here you know it was like a little it was a little heavy-handed yeah i guess so but i feel like she we i feel like We see through that.

15:34I don't know if she expects like everyone would. No, but we're like media literate. Very, very, very. We are media literate truth tellers. Yeah. It's better than the dogs, you know. Like leave the dogs out of it. I completely agree. So at least like this is one step up. Yeah, it's true. Like we're talking to camera. That's brave. Yeah, for sure. So business as usual. I mean, Alex Earl is posting like. Yeah, but she never stopped. Right. She never stopped posting business as usual. And Alex and her husband, the word was that they went to Hawaii. Yes, they were spotted in Hawaii. Yeah, so they obviously got away from it all.

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23:05According to the probable cause statement obtained by People magazine, the grandfather witnessed him sit on a couch next to victim number one for approximately 30 minutes and without warning, shot victim number one in the head. He alleged that earlier in the evening, Sweeney, the cousin, and victim number one, the grandmother, had been in a disagreement about Sweeney not assisting with chores around the residence. You're kidding me. he is currently being held at jail on a no bond warrant as they continue the investigation the murder happened the night before west filmed the summer house reunion got it okay so he obviously was not there now i just want to talk about this case like as if it's not a part of like you know skimandoval and we don't know that he has a famous brother it takes like a genuinely evil person to kill an elderly person like woman who has quite literally like never posed a threat to you and she's just telling you to clean your room like true a sociopathic serial killer behavior this is so crazy i would say that's actual killer behavior to kill yeah right not yeah um this is just like if i had read this story in the local news like it's just a devastating story like a grandson killing his grandmother is news no matter who the cousin is yeah and even um

24:20you know we hear a lot about like inter-family murders you know like they kill their parents like we were just talking about um what's his name rob reiner but like a grand like this is so out of left field like so fucking unnecessary honestly like just fucking crazy now we add in the element that like the cousin of the murderer is involved in this nationwide scandal and i'm gonna say the thing that you're not supposed to say which is i feel bad for west Of course. Like he lost his gran and now like his family's embroiled in like an even bigger. Like just when you think Skamandoval can't get any bigger or worse or more devastating.

25:00There's a murder. It's not funny. Sorry. No, no. Literally. It's shocking. Of course I feel bad for him. You're not allowed to say that. Of course you can say that. I've never even heard of such a thing. Not only did his grandma die, which even if his grandma died the night before we even. Like that's so sad. And I just assume he's the kind of guy who's close to his grandma. Loves his gran. Yeah. But killed by the hands of your cousin. Not even just. So first there's death. Then there's murder. Then there's murdered by a family member. Do you feel like this will be the end of West Wilson's tenure as a famous person?

25:44No. I feel like he's been cured of ever wanting to be famous. It's like I could see him like really like stepping back. Oh, no. No, no, no. This is so dark. Sure, things aren't panning out. Well, no, I think for him, he doesn't associate these two things. I do think that Sweeney would have killed the grandmother if Wes Mandeval didn't happen. I don't know. Maybe the family was really stressed. Like, honestly, it's stressful. Yeah. No, but. Not that I'm blaming him. It was a joke. But like, I don't even know how to talk about this. It happens the same week. What are the fucking odds? But no, I think they're two separate things.

26:16I think he still loves me. No, I'm not saying they're connected at all. I just think that like in the sense of like he's not going to quit fame because his grandma was murdered by his cousin but like I don't know I feel like he's a person who cared deeply about he didn't just want to be famous he wanted to be like beloved and now he's ended up like so hated now he's embroiled in like this whole scandal and I could just see him being like you know what I missed my life before anyone knew who I was no I don't and even if even if the grandma had been killed by the cousin before Summer House or whatever like this is something that just makes you kind of want to like crawl into a cave yeah I don't think he'll see the two things as being related plus he has a couple months in a cave before he films again for summer house like I think this is late April two full months and then they start to film like he can start to he can like take the time to grieve and deal with the emotions he's feeling and like is he going back to the summer house with Amanda I think like oh they haven't said anything but my assumption of how this should play out is like Amanda and Wes go back and Sierra doesn't I don't think Sierra wants to go yeah but Sierra's not on in the city right no so what her career as a reality TV star is just over yeah she's gonna graduate I mean she's gonna do Dancing with the Stars like she's up oh right she's moving on moving on up I guess I guess yeah I think I think that's how it should go because also like say Sierra wants to come back to Summer House which welcome back to the house like Wes and amanda have to be on this is the most interesting thing that's ever happened like unfortunate and so for her like peace and mental health she shouldn't go back and i don't even think she wants to yeah you know like do you think amanda wants to

27:58i i cannot wrap my head around this girl for one second i know because she's very confusing to me while when everyone was like you know just like talking about her and her character and like all these things people had started to say that like she was really interested in kyle in the beginning like to be on the show and that is like never the vibe that i got not that i watched those but i sort of feel like him being like a reality star on the show was like an inconvenience to her like she's just a normal girl and now she has to be on the show that's a bad reading actually now that i'm putting myself back in that remember they came on the the breath yes together yeah she was very excited at the prospect of being famous i definitely think that like kyle being sort of the captain of the early years of that show was a huge motivator in them staying together because you also like you can't find another reason why any logical person would have stayed in that relationship but when she was sitting in this most recent episode with sierra down at the seaport talking about um how they were in therapy and they were talking about all the things and the therapist was like literally why are you two married it's like yeah we've been saying that you're just now having this realization definitely blinded by like the fame of it all yeah okay so if that's the truth and that's her mo then yeah she'll be back on the show because she was on the show in the very beginning like just briefly like as a girl who came over with kyle like she became the mainstay and got the master bedroom like through her own hard work like yeah she was not given to her yeah so i think that then she's interested in the show it's not like she's always just been doing it for kyle because she loves kyle and this is his thing i just feel like only a crazy person would like put themselves back like the whole fandom hates you well I guess they're saying the worst possible things about you on the contrary the only place to go is up agreed and like maybe and I think this is what they should have done when they established that they were having feelings for each other was like really hold off and like be friends give it time and then if they could have waited until this summer to start falling for each other and like we could have all seen that and rooted for it a little bit and been like okay this is inconvenient but like you can't fight how you feel they've been separated for almost a year now it's now three summers of no west and sierra like maybe west and a minute maybe we could have even shipped yeah no it wasn't thoughtful or strategic at all yeah i really think that if they really wanted to be together and cared about how it played out that they should have waited for the summer also my take on their relationship amanda and west up until this point is that he feels trapped she likes him more than he likes her he can't leave for a million reasons you know because then all of this will have been for nothing.

30:31She might, you know, spiral really badly. So he just feels like he has to be there. But I do feel like maybe this grandma thing, like when you go through something like that, like you need, you need a partner. And like Amanda's just sort of, it seems to me, like dying to be that person for him. Yeah. And so to be able to have someone who you can grieve with, who you can, when you literally have nobody, like it seems like he has literally nobody in this life. Like Jesse's mad at him. I don't know. This could just be the thing. Like maybe they were never going to work out, but now they might. This like life was thrown at them.

31:04I do hope it was mentioned on the reunion because to know he's sitting there, like knowing his grandma was just murdered and he's like, and nobody's there for him. Like I just, and now we know why he was literally mute. It just all sort of feels like null and void. If it wasn't acknowledged, it's like not a fair fight. But genuinely how on earth could it have been acknowledged? It was not public knowledge until yesterday. No, but like say he found out that night and then the morning he shows up to the reunion and he tells his producer. Okay, wait. So yeah, but you know what? It's possible that he didn't even know if it happened that night.

31:41Police, he wakes up super early in glam. You're not on your phone. Or he would have found out that day. If he didn't know already, he would have found out on lunch break. So he's sitting there like in complete shock talking about things that like genuinely don't matter. Like his grandma was just shot by his cousin. Yeah. oh i really wonder i wonder if the person who leaked could let us know that also you know they say that the bravo fan who helped bravo crack the case is jennifer lawrence i thought that was a joke no and like that's why people are saying they're gonna like interview the bravo fan because it's not some rando it's jennifer lawrence according to blogs oh my god i i saw that as like a joke like an example of a bravo super fan no i think like it actually was why because she was able to hear like where the audio must have been coming from no maybe she knows people in the industry like maybe she just used her privilege oh i thought it was because if you listen to the clip and kyle was saying this it clearly like if all the levels sound uh the same but unedited it was coming through a speaker not on set someone in the audio room yeah and jennifer lawrence might have been able to hear for that having been on so many sets no because anyone could do that like Like, really?

32:51I didn't. Once we found that. Because we were thinking it was a cast member. But once you, like, decide that it's not, like, it could be anyone. No, I don't know exactly what she provided. But I believe we'll find out. Maybe she'll all watch Happens Live or something. That's funny. She's so funny. Like, that's, yes. When you're an A-list star and you love reality TV, like, that's how you use your star power for good. Yeah. So I guess we'll wait to hear more on this situation. What a horrible, tragic story. And I agree with you. I feel bad for him. I don't think there's another way to feel about it.

33:21No, of course. And I just can't imagine what's worse. Him knowing all this and then having to go to this reunion where everyone hates him. It's just like dogpile. And he sits there not saying anything. And now we know why. Even though I don't think he would have been standing up for Amanda that hard, even if it wasn't the case. But now we know he's processing quite literally something nobody. Like, this is not a relatable thing. Like, people's grandmas die all the time. Not at the hands of their cousin. Like, this is so crazy. I actually feel bad. Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, if you see. Or he didn't know and he just had like the worst day ever filming the reunion.

33:52He comes back to his dressing room. Grandma died and it was Cousin Earl or whatever his name was. Sweeney. Right. Yeah. Oh my God. What a weird twist of events. Yeah. Twisted story. Yeah. Well, we'll stay tuned. Yeah. And when is Summer House like over? How many more episodes are there? I have the feeling it's like four more weeks. Oh, that's so many. Yeah. But I don't know why I feel that way. Maybe it's less. I feel like it's like two more weeks. I think so. Yeah. That feels right. TFR. On the one hand, it's like they want to get to the reunion so that they don't lose us. But on the other hand, like everybody's watching.