Messy Wessy: Monday, May 11th, 2026

8:11Claudia Oshry:1000%.

8:12Jackie Oshry:Yeah. No, he was definitely a host health staff. He should be fired.

8:16Claudia Oshry:Absolutely. You agree, right? If you can't keep your jewel out of the cribs, you shouldn't work there.

8:22Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I agree. I agree. I was so upset. Like, I could not believe.

8:27Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that's really disturbing and not cool. But Ruby's okay. Not cool. It's okay.

8:34Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So there were a lot of other great things about the weekend, but like that's sort of the headline no it was and then i hate to like make my whole trip about that because it was really great like first of all i went to the spa and they had something i had never seen before so i go and i said she's like like literally it's crazier than crack she sits me down what scent would you like you know they all smell terrible and i was like unscented please and she was like okay would you like me to lower the breast plate i said what She's like, we have a breastplate. I'm like, what's that? There's literally in the table where you can lower it, like sinks in so your breasts can sort of like dangle and like create space for your breasts.

9:18Claudia Oshry:Hold space.

9:19Jackie Oshry:I was like, girl, lower that to the floor. Like it was probably the most comfortable I've ever been during massage. All places need that. That's the type of, when I say inclusivity, that's what I'm talking about.

9:28Claudia Oshry:Yeah, was it like a spa first hotel? You know, with like a world's leading spa? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to find out what hotel it was, guys.

9:37Jackie Oshry:All right, fine. It was the Pendry Natiri. I don't give a fuck. The what? I know. Weird name. Pendry Natiri. Yeah, it's part of the montage collection. So, like, they have budget. They have budget to credit me, okay?

9:49Claudia Oshry:Pendry Natiri of the montage collection. I've never heard of it.

9:52Jackie Oshry:It's, like, this really huge estate. It was, like, a former home of the king of Morocco that they turned, of course, into a bed and breakfast. So, of course, you had to go. I know. When they said that, I was like, you're kidding. My history is on my property. That's my king right there. And they have like a spa, a farm, bunch of restaurants. Like it's really and it's on like this huge park. It's a public park, but it's like up the mountain on the park. And so you can go down the park is like this insane walking path with rivers and creeks. Like it was very natural, very nature weekend. So, yeah, it was crazy except for that.

10:23Jackie Oshry:Like that is crazy.

10:24Claudia Oshry:So all in all, how was your little family stay cache?

10:27Jackie Oshry:It was amazing. Like I really felt like I was on drugs the whole time. Like I was so happy. We did spa, Ben and I took turns going to the spa. We went for walks, we had beautiful dinners, I had a cocktail, yeah that's right. There was live music. And during the Teary Turn Up. Turn Up at the Teary, oh there was a wedding on Saturday night there, of course the bride was a toaster. It was amazing, she came up to me and she was like, I could tell she was trying not to get emotional, she was like, I can't believe you're here, you don't understand, my grandfather's name was Ruby and it just feels so special that you guys are here.

11:00Jackie Oshry:and I was like your great I never meet someone whose grandfather was named was Ruben like I'm not okay that goes by Ruby she was like yeah no that's my grandfather and I guess she like felt the presence of her grandfather through osmosis through Ruben Soffer so I was like honored to be

11:12Claudia Oshry:there for her and Ruby was the guest of honor yeah yeah I'm not okay it was really beautiful that's so beautiful and then you went to the Knicks game oh right and then Sunday you know

11:23Jackie Oshry:right after we checked out we drove because we were like only an hour and a half away from Philly we were equidistant between philly and new york so ben was like what if we went oh i didn't tell you this part of the story either this is so funny ready so i was like i will go to the next game with you but you always want to go with me and the baby and it's like we can't sit in the stands like he's a baby i'm like buy me a suite like seriously you want me to go buy me a suite

11:42Claudia Oshry:ben was like you can't just buy turt and ruby ben was like you can't just buy a suite i'm like well

11:47Jackie Oshry:if anyone can figure it out it's you so figure it out lo and behold like two rogue tickets on Ticketmaster like in a suite like you could just buy seats in a suite I didn't know yes I guess I guess people I guess no but it's also like whoever owns a suite like they can like sell ticks sell ticks if they only need whatever I was like oh pargy it was an amazing suite we went like and we got there and it was empty I was like well obviously people are gonna come halfway through the first quarter no one's there and I'm like oh my god like did we literally get our own suite five minutes later i'm like i'm wearing ruby in the bouncer's home and not the bouncer the carrier so i'm like bouncing him around the door opens and like literally a school bus had just dropped off a group of religious young jewish kids like and they all came running in with their yarmulkes and i was like no fucking way and like four or five parents like chaperones we were literally in and they and of course we got to chatting it was their suite and they were like selling some tickets and they were like we actually had uh brought in kosher food but they took it at security even though we had prior authorization i'm like are you telling me that we would have showed up to this suite and it would have been fully catered kosher and he's like yeah but we had like logistical issues with the security downstairs it was so like kismet and freaky like it was it was amazing of course lovely people you know we all got along swimmingly

13:03Claudia Oshry:they were rooting for the knicks thank god i was gonna say are you feeling like moving to philly oh no even though attached and a kinship no not at all but you know philly people have a certain

13:13Jackie Oshry:reputation of being just awful um and i have to say some of the nicest people i guess when you just are with a baby like people are nice to you but every single person ruby's new thing is he goes like this like he wants to touch everyone's hands so he puts his hand out and everybody was like giving him high fives and stuff and you know he was wearing a big knicks hat knicks jersey and they all were so nice to him even though i kind of felt bad like the empath in me it was like technically a home game for philly and there was like three philly fans there like it was when they were turning the lights off and like announcing the players people were booing the philadelphia

13:46Claudia Oshry:players in their own stadium who won was that the fourth and final oh fourth and final sweet

13:51Jackie Oshry:it was a great game to be at we're on to the next round oh exciting who do they play next it's still playing they're like they are figuring it out but ben says it's going to be either the cleveland cavaliers or the detroit pistons i'm rooting for the king charles cavaliers

14:07Claudia Oshry:I know you are and that's exciting for Kylie and Timothy it means more spottings

14:12Jackie Oshry:and I almost almost didn't get like the headphones that you're supposed to put on kids like I just figured like he's one like whatever oh my god it was so loud and I was paranoid I was texting chat I was like I have these headphones like I'm paranoid they're like yeah you should be you got like the shittiest pair and they're not so there I am like bouncing him in the hallway like no I didn't I wasn't even being cardboard I thought of it last minute I got an Instacart from Walmart I was like grateful to have gotten them yeah and chat was like yeah you're a bad mom and this is a piece of shit and like you should leave and i was like wait really no they were like it's fine but like take quiet breaks so i was like going out into the hallway like i was really paranoid i'm sure it was fine

14:47Claudia Oshry:i'm sure it was fine but it is nerve-wracking i felt that way at disney on ice but like i'm sure

14:51Jackie Oshry:yeah no disney on ice was quiet compared to this like it was so in the front row we were right i feel like it's i feel like it's actually quieter in the front row than like the big speakers up top so it was a roller coaster of emotions of a weekend highs lows but all in all oh and ben very much understood the assignment when it comes to your gift yes and you know what

15:12Claudia Oshry:when you when you shared the gift that he got you i remembered that he did tell me and it passed

15:16Jackie Oshry:muster so i didn't harp on it i was obviously expecting like a birkin and the back was small

15:22Claudia Oshry:so i was the box was small i wonder what it is here yeah right maybe they have a new mini birkin

15:27Jackie Oshry:and I was like oh okay so it's not a Birkin and I didn't recognize like the wrapping or anything sometimes Cardia you know they do like the white paper I was like what is this? Hermes too yeah right so I'm like what is this and it was actually even better like I'm such a brat me wanting a Birkin this was so much better he had me a bracelet made with diamonds and rubies I don't know how I didn't even think of that like duh it was so obvious now I am having some changes made to the bracelet but all in all it was a perfect gift

15:55Claudia Oshry:Yeah, the thought counted.

15:58Jackie Oshry:And it was a beautiful thought. What did you get?

16:00Claudia Oshry:I didn't even talk to you all weekend. Oh, I got a really cute pair of Prader flats and made even more special because like Zach went to the mall with Harry and he knows that my favorite color is pink. So they're like pink flats. You just they're the sort of pink that like a child would be like. Oh, are they fogly? No, no, no, they're not. I do. I never saw these flats before. So now I want to see what other colors they come in before I like commit to this pair. but like they're the sort of like I will once I find my pair and make sure that they're the right size like I'm gonna wear them every day so they really slayed but I might just want to tinker with

16:32Jackie Oshry:it what is the like rule on returning a gift that like your baby picked out for you I think he just

16:39Claudia Oshry:would want me to be like happy and wear them of course of course I'm fine with it I'm just wondering is that like him to the return and like make and be like a whole experience buy him a pair yeah but no it was like I know I knew that that got that color because like hearts was like mom's favorite color is pink it has to be that's really cute so cute and they're really cute shoes too and i haven't seen them yet they're new this season prodder okay style icon hearts hearts um but no it's a great great weekend mother's day isn't it a fun one oh my god it's so special and like so special everything is just like special i woke up and i'm like it's mother's day like everything special yeah like everyone come give mommy your kisses and they're just

17:21Jackie Oshry:like special mother's day kisses and i guess because it's like such a corporate holiday that like you know everyone in the streets is saying happy month if they see you with a stroller or whatever they're like happy mother's day so it's like on your birthday people on the street don't know that it's your birthday you get even more like we went on this nature hike and like every person we pass and we're like happy mother's day like i felt so loved honestly yeah that's that's

17:41Claudia Oshry:really like a lot i mean i saw a lot of people i feel like you maybe didn't interface with as many people as i did no no that's strangers walking on a hike wish you happy mother's day that's like

17:50Jackie Oshry:very kind that's a lot of kindness i mean think about it i have a stroller yeah it's a sunday morning of mother's day and like you know when you pass someone like who goes the opposite direction of you you give like a nod or you know good job us i guess you yeah you say good happy mother's day yeah i guess so that's very kind it was uh really a banner i had to wait a long time for my first mother's day yeah because ruby was born like three days after last year's so we did a whole he's literally turning one the same week of mother's day which is like literally so crazy so it felt like i kind of got two day two mother's days in one honestly it was a big first one absolutely i may they all be that big honestly no honestly they keep getting that like it it's

18:34Claudia Oshry:it never stops being cool like and fun and sweet oh good good and like the kids get so into it and then they're writing cards and it was just really cute everyone was just all hopped up

18:44Jackie Oshry:Oh, good. I didn't know if it was like only special because it was my first.

18:47Claudia Oshry:No, I think it gets more and more special as your kids get bigger and they can really do for you, you know?

18:51Jackie Oshry:Right. And they have more of an understanding of like why we're respecting and appreciating mama today, especially. Yeah.

18:55Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It just keeps getting better.

18:58Jackie Oshry:Better. What else did you do this weekend?

19:00Claudia Oshry:Oh, we had such a cozy weekend, like mostly at home with Maxi. Maxi, we needed to rub faces. You know, that's what I like to do. That's what I like to do on the weekends is rub. Skin to skin. rub makeup free faces with maxi because during medical term medical term for skin to skin no but we could do skin to skin during the week but not face to face when i'm wearing makeup

19:22Jackie Oshry:no i get it i get it because like the second you put your makeup on it's like you can't be

19:25Claudia Oshry:an involved mother i can't rub faces yeah i know and i or i have to wait till like after i take my makeup off so the afternoon but i want to rub faces in the morning i find it shocking that you

19:34Jackie Oshry:are like comfortable with rubbing faces even with your kids like you're so like don't touch my face oh like maybe maybe you just reserve that sort of hostile energy for me though for the rest of

19:45Claudia Oshry:the world but for my children no it's open it's there's like don't i feel like one of your surrogate children though like that's what faces no actually the idea no but even like just other individuals i don't want to like yeah don't touch my face my children i agree strangers my children like even me i don't touch like my own face jacks we're seeing each other this weekend i know dear media

20:08Jackie Oshry:by night dear meteor IRL by night we're having a we have to like sort of IRL we haven't really we haven't are you staying with me yeah you asked me yesterday I gotta prep the guest room um we have to sort of prep like we're putting on a show yeah we have prepped and we're also

20:25Claudia Oshry:improv so there's only so much we could do it's an improv show yeah it's an improv show at Webster Hall um so yeah I am coming to big city are you nervous bright lights big city yeah I'm really nervous from the big city like small mom's home from the big city small town girl in the big city

20:43Jackie Oshry:three bucks two bags one one jacks yeah three bucks we'll make that tiktok when you get here okay sounds good two bags one me what else oh i guess we feel like dilly dally there's a lot of news jen fessler taking over the weekend there's actually a lot of news um i think like some of

21:05Claudia Oshry:the stories that you would think would be in the fast five will probably get pushed to tomorrow because there's a lot weirdly that's good yeah it is good so i guess we could get into everything if that's all on the weekend i guess yeah i'm okay with that so without further ado that do it is time for the fast five stories that you do need to know and the fast five stories that you

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27:47Claudia Oshry:jorder our first story summer house star sierra miller accuses wes wilson of sleeping with real housewives of new jersey alum jen fessler so this sort of took over the internet this weekend Did you watch T by the Sea? No, I didn't watch T by the Sea. What does he have to do with it?

28:05Jackie Oshry:Jen Fissler. Like he just gave his take. It was honestly one of his best episodes of T by the Sea. I was cracking.

28:12Claudia Oshry:Wait, but he doesn't have any particular vested interest in the matter.

28:15Jackie Oshry:No, he likes to update his followers who like don't know what the saga is. I guess Vanita made like a statement because she's like always inserting herself. And he was like, and then this Vanita, like the way he told the story was hysterical.

28:28Claudia Oshry:Okay, so first it started on, I guess, like Friday night when someone posted on Threads a statement that Jen Fessler had made.

28:38Jackie Oshry:Oh, just can we pause and talk quickly about how, like, Threads has weirdly been like an active KJ from Summer House just like went viral on Threads for talking about. And it's like, why are people on Threads? I didn't realize that things were, I thought it was shut down, like for real.

28:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I don't know why people are on Threads. And I guess like when I see the screenshots of threads, I, and it doesn't look like a tweet. I, it kind of looks like a Tumblr. I don't, I don't really process like where this is coming from. I'm just like, oh, I guess someone's phone is formatted different from mine.

29:05Jackie Oshry:Yeah. But like a lot of Summer House cast members are like on threads. I wonder if they have like a partnership with Instagram. Like it's so random. No one's using threads. Are they? Is there stuff going on on threads that I don't know about?

29:15Claudia Oshry:I don't know. Sometimes I get like serve stuff where it's like read the rest of this thread on threads and it's like, oh, I'd like to read the rest of that, but I'm not downloading. but I'm not downloading threads right um so here's what happened someone posted on Fred's former Real Houses of New Jersey friend of Jen Fessler was asked by page six about the summer house scandal tonight and said this about West West is the cutest sweetest golden uh golden retriever puppy dog he does not mean any harm he didn't mean it he's just trying to have a good time he doesn't want to hurt anyone give him a break then Sierra replied saying lol because they slept together too okay let me tell you the universe nuts I mean it's shocking especially

29:53Jackie Oshry:because Sierra like really hasn't been slinging mud like everybody else like she's sort of remained above she like she's just taking every opportunity and becoming a socialite and like she's gonna you know star out of this show she hasn't been like in the weeds like getting involved so I feel like if she's gonna say something like she's not saying something that's not true like she's not lowering herself to like start like lying so here's what happens in so then the

30:19Claudia Oshry:someone wrote back like ma 'am i beg your pardon ain't that old lady married oh he got a type and then sierra replied that's what i thought alongside a cartwheel emoji then this sort of took off like wildfire and jen fessler put out a statement before jen fessler put out a statement

30:34Jackie Oshry:a video of west and jen fessler yes resurfaced i guess at the time nobody thought it was weird but they were just like bravo liberties like going out and being drunk together they were just like

30:43Claudia Oshry:And here's what the message is. We need to normalize things being weird at the time. You know what I mean? Oh, agreed. We need to normalize calling people out for being weird. At the time. Like, what were Jen Fessler and Wes Wilson doing? Like, drunk, getting pizza. They were probably at, like, a Bravo event and then went out after it. And he has his arm around her. And I'm sure the audience was, like, living for it, thinking it's, like, Avengers, like, a collaboration of the cinematic universe. And it's like, no, that's weird.

31:07Jackie Oshry:And then this morning I had seen that there was also a podcast clip from, like, a very random podcast. and I don't know who these people are at all but like it was from like months ago um talking about how like this one of the hosts knows for sure that um west had slept with the housewife and he won't say who it was but it was definitely east coast and then the other co-host goes well it's definitely jersey because like your friend was with all the jersey girls so there is like

31:31Claudia Oshry:circumstantial evidence that this is true posted like something about someone overhearing in a bar in Bozeman oh wait I'm sorry I don't know this oh my god Bozeman Montana and yeah that west was in Montana like this is old tea that now makes more sense I guess let me find it exactly one

31:51Jackie Oshry:thing about Jumois is like she's gonna go into the archive and find the hint that made no sense

31:56Claudia Oshry:it says but last summer I was in a bar in Bozeman Montana and literally overheard him talking to two other guys and a girl about hooking up with an old chick named jenny who gave him the most unreal and i think it's it's blurred out but i think it's bj oh in vegas but was super fucked up when it happened then jimois also posted a clip of jesse and west on watch what happens live but wait i haven't seen this clip i saw a different clip of jen fessler and jackie goldschneider on watch what happens live when they were asked like who's your bravo hall pass and jen like jokingly responds and as jen is saying evan goldschneider because jackie's right there so it's funny oh that's funny jackie goldschneider says west for jen fessler oh and then like one of um her old

32:48Jackie Oshry:instagram captions resurfaced with like her and her husband being like you're the west wilson hall pass to my something like hold on let me find it no i saw one that was like you know no

32:58Claudia Oshry:matter how many affairs you have with guys or girls like i'm always yours so it's giving like open marriage okay hold on so jen fessler i want to see what this clip of west and jesse was can i play it yeah put it on there's so much cut like all these crumbs and then i want to read her statement because i also find it very compelling okay i'm gonna play the clip roll the tape yep You ever dated an older gal? Well, not like dated. Well, have you ever been with an older gal? Yeah, it's actually, yeah. One's kind of steep. What? The, yeah, the ages. It was like a one-time thing. Okay. How old was she?

33:40Claudia Oshry:I didn't say she was very old. How old was she? Was she over 50? Yeah. Was she over 60? No, not over 60, but like a high five. Okay.

33:49Jackie Oshry:High fives. High five. Was that a pleasurable thing for you?

33:53Claudia Oshry:That was weird. It was weird. But that's like what makes, that's like what is pleasurable. Okay. I actually saw that when it happened. I never thought it was. She's 57. Okay.

34:04Jackie Oshry:And I just want to say, that's like so fucking disrespectful. Like, I can't believe that like this was everyone's crush. Like, you know what I mean? Like this is a person who literally hates women. It's weird. And why? Because she's 57. Jen Fessler's not ugly. She's not like a circus freak. She's like a very normal, probably good looking 57 year old woman. It's like, yeah, it was freaky and weird. And that's why I liked it. Like, you're disgusting. day you're fucking freaky I saw you in pictures you're fucking freaky looking bitch yeah and the Instagram caption that's been resurfaced is an old picture from her wedding with her husband and the caption was happy 27 you could sleep with West or Amanda and I'd still say wait when when did she write that oh April 10th so post like skimandoval okay that's and then like a funny

34:44Claudia Oshry:caption agreed yeah that's what I meant like guys or girls and I still yeah right okay so we saw the same thing it's and that also sort of makes me feel like she didn't sleep with him or else like why would she be saying that now here is her statement about um this rumor that obviously took the internet by storm everyone's piecing together all these breadcrumbs she said in all seriousness and while i can't help but be a little flowered flattered it is not nice nor is it okay to post something categorically untrue and defamatory on social media regardless of whatever rumors or apparent evidence led you to that conclusion that is the definition of libel if it were true i would have no recourse because it's a lie this can get more complicated having said that I hope we can rectify this it's enough now okay so it's giving like legal language it's giving cease and desist you know I'm so confused because I think her statement and then like her

35:36Jackie Oshry:social media activity really is that of a person who's telling the truth I agree but there is so like we just said the clip the capture like there is so much it's not proof but it's very leading

35:53Claudia Oshry:media yeah well when i remember seeing that west clip and i just assumed it was like some older woman when he was younger like you know like a random thing i never thought it was a housewife and like or jen certainly not like a married one so that to me yeah sure he's been with an older woman that doesn't mean it's jen fessler so that's not that compelling right why I mean, maybe they've always had like a little cute thing where it's like a joke that she thinks he's cute. That's why Jackie Goldschneider said it. But I don't think that they slept together because I don't think she would put out a statement like this.

36:20Claudia Oshry:And I don't know why I'm going to take her at her word, but she just seems like. I don't know. She's like older, like a serious person, like if she's saying it didn't happen. Of course, of course. You know, like dangling legal action. I think she means it.

36:33Jackie Oshry:I agree, except I don't see a world in which Sierra says this unless she knows it's 100 % true. Like, there are so many conflicting things. Like, I just, my gut is to believe Jen Fessler because I think what she's saying sounds like she's taking it well. I'm like, haha, but like, seriously, stop. Like, it's a good approach. But I can't imagine why Sierra, who has remained relatively uninvolved in all the drama and is just sort of reaping the benefits from the scandal. I can't imagine why the one time she like you know debases herself into talking about this she would

37:04Claudia Oshry:like just say a like a false rumor maybe she thinks it's true like maybe they did maybe they did like maybe there was things that she saw that makes her think that they slept together and so she just like threw it out there in like a not serious manner I just want to say whether or not

37:20Jackie Oshry:this is true I just want to reiterate that I think West Wilson is like so disgusting like even that clip which i hadn't seen until this moment like who talks about a person they slept with like that like just he's seriously one of the most misogynistic disgusting and i can't believe everybody like dies for him and like people are like yeah i'd still smash like i would seriously rather sleep with why sleeping with anyone i'm like what am i talking about but you know what i mean no one's asking you to sleep i know i'm just saying like girls women of the world like go out and sleep with like a fat nerd like seriously he'll be nice to you i can't believe like this is everyone's king do you know what i mean he's short he's not even

37:58Claudia Oshry:conventionally attractive and he's so rude yeah but i also want to say if they if he was talking about jen fessler that was a couple years ago i would imagine she saw that um and she still has nice things to say about him so i feel like maybe it wasn't her right right right even though high 50 is like literally 57 there's millions of high 50 year old women around west no but like i i just like 20 i don't know why that clip was from a while ago i thought it was from like pre-fame Wait, what clip is pre-fame? He's on Watch It Happens Live. But it's an old, like from his first season or second season.

38:30Jackie Oshry:He's still famous and he's probably still going to BravoCon. And by the way, it's more likely that they had sex before he was like majorly famous. Because, you know, I don't know. I just feel like it's more likely. I just want to say, I want to go on record thinking I do think it's true.

38:42Claudia Oshry:Oh, I want to go on record. I don't think it's true. That's classic me. Like, I just can't believe some people are capable of certain things. That's why it's not that I'm like, yeah, I couldn't believe Wes Mandeville because I could not believe a person could be so stupid. Like, genuinely, I have faith in humanity. That's why I didn't believe it.

38:59Jackie Oshry:And it's just like, Amanda, that's your boyfriend. Like, that's the craziest part. Like, that's Amanda's boyfriend.

39:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah, he was also spotted, TMZ said he was spotted chopping it up. At a wedding.

39:09Jackie Oshry:In, like, New York City. The Gen Z intern.

39:10Claudia Oshry:He also went to a wedding this week, and apparently his plus one was rescinded, which I also think is illusory. Like, wouldn't that be, like, his random home friend? Like, that's your friend. Like, let him bring his girlfriend.

39:21Jackie Oshry:Agreed.

39:21Claudia Oshry:people don't know how to act like people don't know when to be mad and like how to like hold their friends accountable you know what i mean they just don't know how to act everyone's just such a follower like if west is your friend and you're inviting him to your wedding and like everybody's getting a plus one and he had a plus one like let him bring a plus one you don't know

39:40Jackie Oshry:these people i agree but also like how would tmz know that like the bride and groom rescinded his plus one you know maybe like amanda just didn't want to go yeah well she should have gone yeah And they are like moving forward full steam ahead public relationship. Like they just I think they they are taking the route of like the only way out is through. And like you just have to. So, OK, you go to the wedding. But maybe like she's had enough.

40:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I also like I just can't. I mean, we've said this before, but like there's no way they're having fun. Like I think I think it was like fun, like, you know, crushing on Amanda when she was like the most popular girl in the world. And like, how cool is that? Like every season.

40:15Jackie Oshry:I mean, you know, that video that he posted of her like doing the Macarena.

40:18Claudia Oshry:No.

40:20Jackie Oshry:What? I don't think so. It was posted, like, now we know during their, like, whirlwind romance time. But, like, at the time everybody was like, oh, they're best friends. You don't know that Macarena video? Hold on.

40:29Claudia Oshry:No, I don't know the Macarena video.

40:32Jackie Oshry:And Wes posted it on his Instagram. Amanda Matula dancing video. I can't believe you don't know this video. She's, like, wearing a crop top. It, like, started the whole thing. Hold on. Is it still there? It definitely is. I don't know if he posts a lot. It's from, like, a few months ago.

40:50Claudia Oshry:Oh, also some breaking news.

40:53Jackie Oshry:What?

40:54Claudia Oshry:Nothing major. Some Sierra joins Love Island USA as the After Sun co-host.

40:59Jackie Oshry:Oh, I thought she was replacing.

41:01Claudia Oshry:Not the After Sun.

41:02Jackie Oshry:Right.

41:04Claudia Oshry:Who was the co-host of After Sun last year? Maura?

41:08Jackie Oshry:Oh, yeah.

41:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

41:10Jackie Oshry:Does anybody watch After Sun? Not I. Those episodes are some of my least favorite.

41:14Claudia Oshry:I've never watched one. And then like someone goes on After Sun and like says something that's supposed to be like relevant to the conversation. I'm like, but it happened on Aftersun.

41:21Jackie Oshry:So I unfortunately physically can't watch it. That's sad.

41:25Claudia Oshry:As if like Love Island isn't enough content a week. It's literally six days a week, an hour plus episodes. And you're giving us Aftersun. Like give us a day off, you know, on the seventh day. Let us rest.

41:37Jackie Oshry:Let us rest. I don't see the video, but it was like them in a bar and she's like doing the Macarena. That's really cool. She's so cool.

41:47Claudia Oshry:The Macarena is really cool.

41:49Jackie Oshry:It's like wearing a crop top. It's like the most. Okay. Moving on.

41:53Claudia Oshry:What I was saying was it was definitely like fun being like in a tryst with Amanda, like crushing on her when she was the most popular girl in the world. Even last summer, you know, just like every room she walks into, it's like she doesn't even have to try. And everyone's like, Amanda. Yeah. No. And she literally wears like sweatpants and a bra.

42:10Jackie Oshry:And it's like Amanda style icon. No. And like she was in a situation like she couldn't be his girlfriend. So it's like the sort of forbidden element of it makes it very sexy. And now there's just like two miseries. Two like uncool, unpopular.

42:30Claudia Oshry:So, you know, let's see if they want to stay together.

42:33Jackie Oshry:They have to. They need to go to the Nicolandria School of Dedication. And they need to commit to the bit. Agreed. That should be on their, they should have a picture of Nicolandria on their fridge, on their front door, in their wallets. It's like that is who you are emulating. Yeah. Agreed. Because the way they've committed to the fraudulent relationship. Mm-hmm. So you're believing that they slept together.

43:00Claudia Oshry:That's where we're coming. I am. Coming away with that.

43:03Jackie Oshry:I'm getting swept up in the internet. In messy Wessie. Yeah. That's the most embarrassing. That video is the most embarrassing part of this whole thing.

43:12Claudia Oshry:I agree. It was hard to watch.

43:14Jackie Oshry:And it's like you literally have kids, West Sage.

43:17Claudia Oshry:It was hard to watch, but if you watched it when it came out. And you thought it was like, oh, my faves. Look at my faves. Crossover. Yeah, crossover of the year. I didn't watch it when it came out, and I would hope that if I had, I'd say, hmm, that feels weird. Does nobody think this is weird? Yeah. Yeah. Our next story. Are you ready for our next story? Some really sweet news. Olivia Culpo announced that she is pregnant and expecting baby number two with her husband, Christian McCaffrey. so olivia colpo celebrated her 34th birthday and then she just sort of dropped on us that baby number two is coming soon and she posted a bunch of photos of her been pregnant and now it's just like when how soon yeah like it's not your typical announcement it doesn't feel like you know end of

44:03Jackie Oshry:first trimester it feels right imminent i'm just guessing like she's giving like 20 to 24 weeks guess yeah but coming just a guess but like if 2020 but you wouldn't say coming soon you'd say

44:18Claudia Oshry:like coming this summer coming this fall yeah she likes to keep everyone on our toes it's annoying i just want you to know like that really got me on my toes and i wasn't expecting it i know but she's not like nine months pregnant you can tell like just physically unless she's like one of those girls you know i know i'm just saying like it was giving that thing that it's it's leaving space for

44:39Jackie Oshry:that well not to make everything about myself but like olivia colpo and lauren elena like are my sisters in pregnancy and so like the fact that olivia colpo is like moving forward with her next pregnancy like it the pressure is on like not to make everything about me but i saw this and i was like i was kind of devastated i was like oh my god yeah what does this mean what does this mean

44:57Claudia Oshry:fraternity yeah yeah i think you reach out to your sister of course i did i'm so happy for her

45:04Jackie Oshry:i fucking love her like and then i went to her instagram to stalk and she has like three pinned posts the first is her engagement versus second is a wedding and then the third is a pregnancy and i was looking through her wedding pictures like i forget remember all that drama about her wedding dress and like christian mccaffrey like literally leaving hate comments on the on

45:20Claudia Oshry:the commenters like i fucking love them i love and then i look at the dress and it is so

45:25Jackie Oshry:objectively beautiful again even though i agree i can't believe and i see some girls wearing i'm sorry the ugliest fucking like danielle frankel wedding dresses that are so trendy and like miss me with that this is the dress that sent the internet into a tailspin it couldn't be more traditionally beautiful she's so cute you see it yeah everything it's long sleeve satin

45:47Claudia Oshry:shoulder pads like the root of all evil that's her um that's her announcement post and like

45:53Jackie Oshry:beautiful pictures the root of all evil is jealousy like that's what we need to be reminding

45:58Claudia Oshry:ourselves of constantly by the way so when we were talking about this how like why can't you be jealous positive why do you have to be like a jealous ugly negative wench i think negative jealousy is envy envy yes root of all evil because like let me be clear i am positive

46:12Jackie Oshry:jealous of olivia yes i'm positive jealous of so many things i am positive jealous of fucking everyone sometimes i do teeter on like on unenvy i'm not gonna lie no you don't catch me being envious i'm a positive jealous person like positive jealousy is the energy we're bringing into the future like yes it's a yes yeah oh also what was like so um cute about olivia is

46:37Claudia Oshry:earlier this week she commented on our Instagram reel about having like no ambition since motherhood oh I forgot to tell you some major news oh okay you got it back I got what ambition back no

46:52Jackie Oshry:I but I had enough ambition over the weekend to make a tiktok using my real activis I which I used and really enjoyed and I made a tiktok just like doing my skincare in silence and then the sound on top of it was our clip of you saying like you you had a field day with when I saw this name and Alex Earl commented and reposted it and her comment was oh BRB gotta use the sound we're gonna go viral again because she said yeah she's gonna use the sound I haven't seen it yet but she said she's gonna use it she said she's gonna use the sound yeah so she reposted I know you guys probably saw me over the weekend on Alex Earl's TikTok did you see?

47:24Claudia Oshry:oh my gosh wait let me go on my iPad and check it out oh no I don't even have a TikTok to download it and then I don't even lose my locket but I do wanna see

47:32Jackie Oshry:when I see you this weekend you can scroll on my phone like a toddler

47:35Claudia Oshry:or send it to Zach Okay.

47:37Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I'll send it to Zach.

47:38Claudia Oshry:That's pretty cool. Yeah, big moment for us. I've been loving my balm. I still didn't buy new makeup wipes. I've been using my balm. You know what?

47:46Jackie Oshry:I used the balm over the weekend. It was pargy. It was balm. It's hard, though, because I like using a makeup wipe. It doesn't get my hair wet. And if I'm using a balm, then my hair gets wet. In the shower?

47:58Claudia Oshry:No, at the sink. I couldn't use a balm at the sink. I couldn't do it. Oh, my God. The counter is like a war. My shirt, my elbows. It's true. I use a balm in the shower. Balm. The balm. Did you buy your balm at Stob? Call back. No, I brought it at realactivis.org. That'll work.

48:22Jackie Oshry:Realactivis' website should be a.org because they're a non-for-profit with their repost of me. It's true.

48:27Claudia Oshry:I appreciate that. Okay, next story. I feel like. Oh, yeah. No, we're okay. Next story. Number three. Savannah Guthrie is officially moving in a new career move. She's the host of the new Wordle game show.

48:41Jackie Oshry:Okay, that's not where I thought you were going with like Savannah Guthrie. I thought maybe there was an update on her missing mother.

48:46Claudia Oshry:No, she was back at work and, you know, nothing's really come out. A couple days she kind of like left set.

48:52Jackie Oshry:I saw she left in the middle of the show. She walked off set.

48:55Claudia Oshry:She's taking on new projects as the host of the new Wordle game show. Every now and then I remember Wordle. and I'm like let me do that shit um she made the announcement alongside Jimmy Fallon who's the project's executive producer I feel like we talked about this so long ago they took way too

49:13Jackie Oshry:long Wordle still has like a big following but like the virality I remember some the New York Times bought it instantly they were turning it into a game show really fast and then it never

49:22Claudia Oshry:came out and I feel like they sort of like missed the boat yeah um it will start filming this summer So if you are like a Wordle expert, you should go on. I'm actually pretty good at Wordle. Really? Yeah. I haven't played since the minute I gave birth to Harry. I never played again. Wow. Yeah. That's when we were playing Feb 2022. I love, what word do you start with?

49:48Jackie Oshry:Like when you, I know you don't do it anymore, but every now and then I always start with the same word.

49:51Claudia Oshry:I forget.

49:52Jackie Oshry:I had a good first word. I always start with great. Oh, that's good. two vowels g and r r and t excuse me are like classics someone will remember what i used to

50:02Claudia Oshry:start with because we like used to talk about shit like that we're all like that there was a

50:06Jackie Oshry:time for that i don't know um i i actually think it's a good game for a game show yeah and they make game shows out of the dumbest shit these days yeah and there's like who remembers the wall

50:15Claudia Oshry:there's plenty of space for game shows you know like they seem to be like low cost and everybody

50:21Jackie Oshry:loves them and i feel like they have a hard time like becoming popular there's so many game shows that like come and go. I love game shows. It's like one of my favorite genres of television. I'm actively subscribed to the Game Show Network, GSN. And they got the most random shit over there. Jizzin? Jizzin. They make a game show out of everything. So I would like for game shows to become popular again.

50:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Well, you'd have to start -

50:44Jackie Oshry:You should go on Family Feud.

50:45Claudia Oshry:Watching them. You'd have to start watching them.

50:47Jackie Oshry:I do. Did you not hear me just say I have an active subscription to GSN? But what do you watch other than like Jeopardy? Oh, okay. Jeopardy's not even on GSN.

50:55Claudia Oshry:while showing how little you know yeah i watch as a what game shows do you watch other than jeopardy

51:01Jackie Oshry:family feud okay celebrity family feud okay which we absolutely need to go on um what else do i watch there's a lot of like generic game shows on gsn like they don't have names but like it's like it's hosted by the guy who does the pitch perfect um the mc with elizabeth banks You know that other guy? Oh, hysterical. He literally is a host of 10 ,000 game shows on Game Show. People Magazine has a game show with their crossword, which I'm pretty good at. It's definitely like Tom.

51:31Claudia Oshry:I feel like it's like Dan. You think it's Dan? No, I think it's Steve. I think it's Tom. Let's look it up. Pitch. Oh, Steve is good. Or like Andy. I don't know. I'm nervous. No, I'm going to stick with Steve. Okay, stick with Steve. Where is he? John. No, no, no. I think Steve was a really good guess. Oh, okay. John. John Michael Higgins.

51:57Jackie Oshry:Yes, that's his name. Yes, that feels right. He's a John. Well, he's also like has my dream job where he hosts all these like random generic shows on the Game Show Network. You should shadow him for a day. That's my dream. Doing voiceover work and hosting a game show. Not to shadow. It's not my dream. To steal his job. To shadow John Michael Higgins for a day is your dream no actually if you can believe it john michael higgins better sleep with one other

52:25Claudia Oshry:one fucking eye open right to him cold email him and ask if you can chat i don't want to like i don't want to write an email i don't want to shadow did you ever shadow someone oh uh i think you're

52:39Jackie Oshry:gonna say did i ever write anyone an email i'm like yeah um did i ever i don't think so i've never shadowed someone i can't imagine anything more boring did you i once did okay now you have

52:49Claudia Oshry:to tell us who what when where why how i don't want to share too much but it was like a really

52:57Jackie Oshry:um dreadful juice what part of it was dreadful like you know it's just like what are you doing

53:02Claudia Oshry:like and you're just shadowing oh and the person you're shadowing like does not want you there no it's not like they're like the president like they're just like someone with like an entry-level job that like you might want one day and like right i think they should cancel that

53:15Jackie Oshry:program jackie i need to know who you shadow i'll tell you after you don't know you don't even like

53:20Claudia Oshry:there's nothing so why are you being like weird about it just because i haven't thought about it in so long but it was just say we're actually we're still inside that day this is a dream you have because like the person did me a solid by letting me shadow them and so no no and you don't say the person but like what was the context what if they heard this they probably felt the same way like that it was just miserable yeah yeah i don't think that they knew what to do what was the context were you in college i think i was in college and like you can like get set up with an alum who's like working in a field that you would be interested in you can shadow what was the field that you were interested in like media media yeah oh i don't know this story who did you

54:00Jackie Oshry:shadow you don't know them what company like what job did that person have okay they worked at i'm

54:05Claudia Oshry:not telling you because i really would never want them to hear this and know and know that i had a

54:10Jackie Oshry:negative experience i think they just assumed you had a negative experience like it's universal it's ubiquitous like yeah shadowing is not a positive that's the company she worked for which actually like it was pretty good that's where i should be shadowing oh wow yeah who was it no one no one you know she was just like it's actually at one of our competitors yeah in the media space

54:30Claudia Oshry:honestly i was right on track for my life i was you know i knew where i was headed jackie i'm

54:36Jackie Oshry:texting you i found the video of amanda patrula dancing like if you want oh good yeah no i think

54:40Claudia Oshry:to close the loop on that and to stop talking about my day of shadowing i know anything to

54:44Jackie Oshry:change the subject even though i will push more after the episode yeah and oh oh my god you've never seen that video no okay so he had posted this no no one had thought a thing about them before the rumors like but this was when they were clearly like falling in love wait that's really crazy and was there a caption yeah there was we posted it on um tiktok that's why i couldn't

55:10Claudia Oshry:find it yeah this is what i mean like before it's important to note that the song she's dancing to is not the macarena drama yeah before west mandeval like she just could do the least and it was like like she's wearing yes everyone was like this video ratty t-shirt and like marking the macarena and she's the coolest girl in the world you know to a song that's not the macarena and now it's like that you know she's and i think his caption was like coolest girl ever like that

55:38Jackie Oshry:was the caption like something like that she's so cool they're perfect for each other unfortunately

55:41Claudia Oshry:it's true it's just unfortunate that things played out the way that they did because i think they

55:45Jackie Oshry:should be together to bring it back to your shadowing which i know you were trying to move

55:49Claudia Oshry:away from and i just think the thing about the macarena it's a very complex it's obviously

55:56Jackie Oshry:culturally insensitive of her to be doing it one thousand percent yeah i haven't done the macarena forever it's actually a good dance it is

56:07Claudia Oshry:one maca two maca three macarena they ate with that okay are you ready for our next story

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1:00:38Claudia Oshry:Our next story, the girls are fighting Michaela Matthews and Taylor Frankie Paul got into it over the weekend starting with Michaela Matthews from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives firing back over criticism that she hasn't been supporting tailored so Kayla Matthews wrote like a really long statement on um Instagram saying I want to get to the to the whole statement one second and I just I want to say like

1:01:10Jackie Oshry:a couple of weeks ago like i made the decision to get off the taylor frankie paul roller coaster like i saw all this i saw her big mother's day post i saw michaela i don't really know what's going on and i've like kind of stopped caring um yeah because also as far as i know like taylor

1:01:29Claudia Oshry:frankie paul's not even filming well i think she might be filming based on what she said but basically okay oh my gosh okay it's on you say sorry this statement is like on a real like that so you live with girls you forgive you forget but you never let it go so Michaela posted this if I was knowingly giving myself rashes I wouldn't be expecting sympathy from anyone online or privately imagine someone told me hey we know for 100 % certainty that if you stopped using this cream your rashes would go away then imagine I continued using that cream while still asking

1:02:00Jackie Oshry:people for sympathy and help okay I just want to say this is a weird analogy I know what she's saying because she suffers from like this really terrible chronic illness that she doesn't know why she gets these insane flare-ups so she's trying to like relate it to her story it's just

1:02:13Claudia Oshry:giving like silly I just need to read a little bit of this so that like when I read Taylor's response like it's just in context yeah she said at some points my friends would probably say we feel sorry for you but stop using the cream so you can heal and if I continue to use it over and over again for years knowing the outcome every single time was the same it'll eventually get to a point where the people who genuinely care about me can no longer enable me by continuing to give sympathy and support the behavior that is clearly keeping me stuck in an unhealthy cycle that she said um so basically dakota is the cream right dakota is the cream yes and she continues to like you know engage in this unhealthy cycle and know what's bad for her and go back to it and go back to it and go back to it and so she's comparing it to her rashes and she was also just explaining why she it's a very long i didn't even read the whole statement because it's like a lot of words and and a certain point like I do hit but I am actively staying abreast but I have my limits you're right no there is a lot of fatigue and so yeah I got the gist she's saying she's not supporting Taylor because like Taylor's doing this to herself and how and you know she's disgusted by what she's seen blah blah blah so then Taylor posted on Instagram yesterday it was also unfortunate because she like put it in her Mother's Day post which I just thought was like so unnecessary agreed it also doesn't help her beat the allegations that she's like always putting

1:03:29Jackie Oshry:the drama and everything like before her responsibilities as a mother so like your

1:03:34Claudia Oshry:mother's day post is about Michaela like yeah she said um wait shit I need to find exactly the the um thing that she said in response to Michaela another one that I didn't read in full but the longest caption ever but got the gist um I can't deal I can't deal trying to find all these fucking statements just go to Instagram I know but the part that I'm looking for isn't here okay whatever this is what she said it's mother's day so I'll say whatever I want as if it's not already the worst time I still have friends kicking me while I'm down and calling it setting a boundary and then blames me for being upset and responding that's called shaming and attack why I had a moment to breathe and she knew that not once have I called myself a victim but I'm a human I have breaking points what a snake friend did to me in public eye after everything she just witnessed the lack of empathy and the bruises yet she's bringing up picking sides yes usually you do for friends you know go through that I don't know and then she said something about like comparing my situation to rashes and cream and then did you see the final photo in her carousel no one second on my way yeah the

1:04:52Jackie Oshry:oh the the tears yeah yeah I hadn't noticed that it's like a selfie with her son she's sitting in the front seat her son is like poking out from the back seat also not wearing a shirt stop posting pictures of your kids without their clothes on that's child pornography and she has like mascara running down her face but she has like a smile on for her kid and it's just like i hate that shit yeah that's so performative to me it's performative and also it's like i don't like that

1:05:17Claudia Oshry:message like hold it in hold it in around your children i keep it together cry on your own time

1:05:25Jackie Oshry:So to be clear, I like do have like my take on the situation. It's like a little Michaela Matthews coded. It's like, yeah, at what point are we going to just start like having agency over our own lives and making, you know, taking personal accountability and like being responsible and making good decisions. But like, yeah, it is giving like a little not empathetic to the fact that like she's in this terrible situation. But it's like it's both. Yeah.

1:05:43Claudia Oshry:I didn't love the cream analogy. Well, of course, it just sounded stupid, too. It did. It didn't. Obviously, not this exact same. Like, no, because like you're not like addicted to a cream. Yeah, and it's not like you think the cream is going to cure this one thing, but it's also causing something else. She's not just like using a cream that's all bad. Oh, and you don't have a child with the cream. Like, it's just stupid.

1:06:06Jackie Oshry:All right, we're going to get another Michaela Matthews hate comment.

1:06:09Claudia Oshry:Oh, for sure. That's okay. First Jace, and now the cream. I've been hardened. Yeah, it's true. No, and I feel like it would have been a better analogy if it's like there's something about the cream that you love, but it's also hurting you.

1:06:20Jackie Oshry:No, that's also like addictive. because you're addicted to the cream. Oh, yeah, like drugs. Maybe the cream has like crack in it. Maybe it's like drugs.

1:06:26Claudia Oshry:Like you're addicted to drugs and like if your friend was a drug addict.

1:06:28Jackie Oshry:Maybe, okay, yeah, maybe it's like if she was smoking pot, here's a better analogy, and the pot was giving her rashes, but the pot was also like making her feel good. Helping her anxiety.

1:06:38Claudia Oshry:That's what I mean. Yeah, right. It's not just the cream being bad. She also... She's so stupid. She also loves the cream and is... And also, right, right. The cream can sometimes be funny.

1:07:00Jackie Oshry:The cream is also, I guess we said, the cream is an inanimate object. The cream is sometimes handsome. Right. Creams don't have feelings, you know? No, but like. Creams can't talk.

1:07:13Claudia Oshry:Sometimes the cream has been there for her, you know, but no one else was.

1:07:17Jackie Oshry:No, actually, it hasn't, like, because it's a cream.

1:07:21Claudia Oshry:she's just like not sharing any remotely redeeming qualities about the cream that like attracted right that's because it's a cream that attracted taylor to dakota in the first place

1:07:32Jackie Oshry:like i said i've gotten off this roller coaster i can't with jesse's like voice memo everyone's flip-flopping all over the place like i seriously can't with this group of individuals they're so

1:07:39Claudia Oshry:moronic yeah i do like love the show so i i'm trying to stay abreast like to a degree that's healthy and like you know i can't read every single instagram comment and i'm not even on tiktok so i don't even know the half of it um and also like for the show like here's what's going on uh but i have my limits for sure and i'm not taking a side in either one of these things like i understand like i imagine if i were michaela yes i would not want to film with taylor i would not want to be associated with taylor i probably would have probably felt that way for a lot of years and always would have been like punished for having not being a team player the way that whitney was when she was like you know her hands aren't gonna work with us if they think we're all slinking bar stools like yeah because they all knew that that's what she did so from like a human perspective I'm I get Michaela from like the other side of it where it's like I don't know them and it does feel like Taylor's going through like seriously the worst a person can go through like I don't feel the need to add on to it yeah I don't know if she is gonna like I just don't know So yeah, that's all.

1:08:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

1:08:41Claudia Oshry:Our fifth and final story. Jake Shane is getting slammed for asking Kacey Musgraves to explain a lyric from one of her songs, Slow Burn.

1:08:54Jackie Oshry:I just know that like there is a writer at Variety who like went to camp or something with Jake Shane and just hates Jake Shane. because this is now the second time there's been like manufactured outrage against jake shane so this is coming from variety it was a variety article there was like maybe there was like a clip going around it was funny i like everybody knows what jake shane meant like he asked keezy muskrates in slow burn there's a lyric that's um in uh in beijing they're headed out to work and in tennessee the sun is going down basically saying how like time is different and he was like what did you mean by that and a lot of people like people were passing around the clip and it was like obviously he knows that like there's things called time zones but i think he meant sort in the context of the song what the fuck does that have to do with anything like yeah it's a good

1:09:38Claudia Oshry:question actually it's the most random lyric no and also like it comes it's born of like actually his deep obsession with the song he said that him and manny his friend who he works with debated every single day i think he's like very into the song sober and it's like a really great message born in a hurry always late jackie there was no no one no one was talking about this and if it got

1:09:58Jackie Oshry:passed around as a clip it was because like it was funny but like it wasn't it wasn't there variety's like and this is why we really really need journalists and it's like no no one was saying no one was saying no one was saying it reminds me that jake shane clip with ed sheeran when your legs don't work like they used to before that was when my grandma fell

1:10:16Claudia Oshry:like it's just like funny and it's also like a style of journalism now where it's like almost ironic dry yeah um and it's funny like variety wrote a whole article about it like they

1:10:30Jackie Oshry:did the last time with the vanity fair red carpet like making these tiny non-things into things and i was glad to see people like not getting swept up and at the comments on twitter at least we're like literally we that's not what he said and i actually think it's a good question no and i think

1:10:44Claudia Oshry:sometimes like when people get flack for like journalism whatever it's like born of like not knowing anything about who they're talking to or like the they're not looking researching or whatever but like he's actually too researched on the song because he's looking into things that aren't there you know no it's a good question honestly um especially if it's like sometimes you wonder about like someone's lyrics or whatever and you're like if I ever met them I would want to ask them about that absolutely and I feel like that's what his show is and it's fun

1:11:10Jackie Oshry:to watch that's fun we're having fun yeah somebody there really doesn't like him I get the sense now two times in a row because the first one felt mean-spirited but the first time like there was a little bit of backlash on twitter about like his performance on the red carpet i thought it was fucking hysterical but people are such wet blankets so okay fine i was like but now i'm like

1:11:29Claudia Oshry:it's feeling intentional yeah yeah but someone there like doesn't like him that's so crazy because everybody loves him there's nothing not like the least offensive influencer brand safe Did you see Tana Mojo's launching a podcast called Brand Safe? I did. After canceled. That's kind of funny.

1:11:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah, that is. She just keeps saying like her thing is like she's entering her brand safe era because she's like sober. She doesn't do OnlyFans anymore. And she has brown hair.

1:11:58Claudia Oshry:No, but that's funny that like her podcast was canceled and now it's brand safe.

1:12:03Jackie Oshry:I just feel like nobody really wants a brand safe podcast, to be honest. Like that's the whole thing about podcasts is that like they're this renegade media. If you want a brand safe show, like put it on cable. There's a ton of like brand safe garbage. Oh, speaking of brand safe, the roast of Kevin Hart was last night. I didn't watch it. I didn't know that was happening. I feel like there was no commercials or anything for it.

1:12:19Claudia Oshry:Today I've seen like so many stories and clips, so I figure we'll like try and watch it tonight and we can talk about it tomorrow.

1:12:23Jackie Oshry:Oh, I don't want to watch it. Like it seriously looks, I think roasts. And you know, Joan Rivers, her documentary, the time that they covered her was the time that she did a Comedy Central roast. And she was like, they are the most disgusting, awful, well-paid.

1:12:39Claudia Oshry:I don't understand why a human being would do it. And some people I can understand more than others but i don't understand why kevin hart would do a roast when same with tom brady

1:12:48Jackie Oshry:people who don't need the money who don't need the attention you don't need the attention joan in her documentary she's like i'm doing this for the money like i need the money yeah and it was awful every joke you know my her face her face her vagina it's so misogynistic i cannot and like they they all get uh no-goes like tom brady was like you know no one's allowed to talk about my family these comedians don't give a fuck kevin hart's was that i guess i didn't know this he cheated on his pregnant wife. You did know that. Oh, did I? Like, it was many years ago. And that was, like, the thing he told everyone not to talk about.

1:13:16Jackie Oshry:Of course they did. Like, who the fuck would voluntarily not only get up there to get roasted, but be one of the roasters? Because if you're a roaster, you also get roasted. I saw them say the most disgusting things about Chelsea Handler. Like, who the fuck seriously would do that?

1:13:31Claudia Oshry:I have no idea. I can understand why people do the roast, especially if they're comedians. You know, everyone needs a little buzz. And it can be like really great for someone if they have a good roast. And especially you could always use a little attention when you're like a smaller comedian. But Kevin Hart is like literally the biggest movie star in the world.

1:13:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I think Nikki Glaser like made her bones like a big part of her career was being the roast girl. Martha Stewart. Jeff Ross. Martha Stewart. Like some people use it as like PR. Yes. Like Jeff, Justin Timberlake. Justin Timberlake should do a roast. He's the type of person who needs it. because Justin Bieber did it when he was kind of like this bad boy and it was a huge part of his rehabilitation. Justin Bieber, we know today, is a byproduct of that roast.

1:14:11Claudia Oshry:Yeah, yeah. But I don't -

1:14:13Jackie Oshry:But yeah, well-loved A-listers don't need to be doing this. Kevin Hart, seriously, is like the most beloved comedian. Especially if you have something

1:14:21Claudia Oshry:that everyone's going to joke about that you don't like the affair on your pregnant wife. Skeletons. You shouldn't do a roast because that's really all we're going to talk about.

1:14:28Jackie Oshry:Of course. And you shouldn't give a list of things not to talk about because there are certain comedians who that's all they'll talk about.

1:14:33Claudia Oshry:Oh, and it's like, why shouldn't they talk about that? Like, you know what I mean? It's something that you did and we're talking about you. Otherwise, don't do the roast.

1:14:42Jackie Oshry:Yeah, like when Alec Baldwin did it, like, that was a good move, you know? He is this, like, villain-like character and there's so much. And he just, like, sort of leaned in. And I do think overall it had a positive effect on his Q score. Yeah. But if you have a positive Q score, there's only one place for it to go after a roast. Down.

1:14:58Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And Kevin Hart has the best Q score. Oh, my God.

1:15:01Jackie Oshry:He's like America's sweetheart. Everyone loves him. Everybody loves him. And yeah, it was A-list, Dwayne The Rock Johnson. But like seriously, I think it's so gross.

1:15:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

1:15:10Jackie Oshry:Like, ugh. Who the fuck would want to participate in that?

1:15:13Claudia Oshry:Well, maybe I won't watch. I just said that.

1:15:17Jackie Oshry:No, but I saw some Shane Gillis. I just happen to really like Shane Gillis. I thought his jokes were funny.

1:15:22Claudia Oshry:Even Chelsea Handler's?

1:15:25Jackie Oshry:Yeah, the Zionist one. And it loved. But the funny thing is that Chelsea Handler's not a Zionist.

1:15:30Claudia Oshry:Yeah, and she got him back pretty good too. Yeah, she did. And it's like, did she write that on the fly? Because did she know he was going to say that?

1:15:38Jackie Oshry:It was giving improv. Maybe it was like a couple of hours earlier and she had time to sort of like think about something. Yeah, she got in pretty good. Yeah, she threw that SNL slur thing right in his fucking face. That's what I mean. People have skeletons. A, sweatshirt comedians. Everybody has. Punch. Who would willingly show up and sign up for that? I don't know.

1:15:55Claudia Oshry:It could never. Never. Never.

1:15:58Jackie Oshry:Never.

1:15:58Claudia Oshry:Never. Or people who have their birthday party and they're like, roast me.

1:16:02Jackie Oshry:Yeah, David Dobrik. that like and he filmed it but even like regular people yeah oh brian did it yeah brian kelly it was actually very funny well yeah i feel like if you're a person who is like deeply admired and respected by your friends and family like they couldn't come up with such terrible things to say about you a little bit feared you've got to be feared yes yes yeah like brian's was actually really like funny and like yeah he has like crazy stories but like for the most part it was pretty nice yeah watch what you say it's yeah roast me you still want you still want those free trips

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