Miscellaneous Summer Treats with BSC: Friday, July 10th, 2026

16:18Claudia Oshry:If you weren't where you wanted to be at that age. I think that's true of any age. But I'm exactly where I want to be. Right. I might even be – I'm certainly further than I expected to be, which is a really great feeling. And, yeah, 34 is good. And our sweet Claude turns 18 today. How old is she? She wouldn't want us to say. No. But I think I know. I think I know. Yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. 18. 18. 18. At the ripe age of 18, she's a mother. Who would even want to be 18? Claudia. No, she would not. Honestly? No, I don't want to be 18. If you could pick an age, what age? Do I actually have to go back to?

17:00You have to go back to. Like, I don't want to go back. But let's say you could go back for a night.

17:09Claudia Oshry:A night. Okay. I know you're going to Atlantic City. I think I'm going back to 23. 23 years old. 23 years old for a night. We're going to catch. We're smoking cigarettes on the outdoor patio. We are. I'm arranging a limousine to take us straight to AC. Yeah. And we're hearing cash cash at the club. Okay. Those were good times. For one night. I think I might go back to 2019. so what was so how old am i 2019 20 you are 26 yeah 26 though but then my hangover started like creeping up at that age so maybe like not for the good times yeah but that was a good fun party year while also having like lots of fulfillment you know 20 i think you're thinking 2018 2019 you got married yeah no that was a great year 2018 was a year of rebuilding uh yeah but no 2019 2019 i got married we went to stagecoach hocello oceans 25 for claudia's birthday wow that was such a great trip so fun when we all went to begas was that when shack dj'd no that diesel or that was a different time was that atlantic city yeah that was atlantic city and that was 2018 yeah got it Yeah, Atlantic City if you're in the right mindset is so fun And if you're in the wrong mindset is the dirtiest place in the world Like you can literally just like look around and be like what the fuck am I doing here?

18:39But if you go in you're like I'm gonna have a fucking great weekend. You can have a great weekend You can you can it's fun. It's not so far. Yeah, it's not so expensive. Yeah, and it's cool Yeah, you hear they're putting a casino in New York

18:52Claudia Oshry:No in the city. I don't remember who won the bid but It's only going to make our glorious city just worse. I fear for it. Really? I feel like you would be excited about that. The idea of it is cool, but with casinos come more drugs, more crime, more homelessness, more despair. More despair. Just like ladies of the night. It just turns into like, you know. Well, Claudia must be excited. To be a lady of the night? No, she loves casinos. Speaking of ladies of the night, Claudia is going to be so excited. I just meant speaking of casinos. Yeah, no. Yeah, I guess so. But like, you don't want to shit where you eat.

19:29Like, I think part of like the fun is like, oh, you go to Turks and Caicos and there's a casino. Or you go to the Bahamas or you go to Atlantic City. The getaway. Doing it at home.

19:39Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I don't know. I understand. Yeah. We should go to Vegas. I love Vegas. By the way, I'm in. You'll never go to Vegas. I love Vegas. You're a big talker. And Vegas is kid friendly. Great. Let's go to Vegas. I will go to Vegas in a heartbeat. When? You don't even know me. You don't even know me. I don't think I know you. I'll go to Vegas today. I don't think I know you. I'll go to Vegas. You don't want to fucking leave the house. You want to go to Vegas? I'll go to Vegas. You'll go to Vegas, but you won't go to Surf Lodge. I would go to Surf Lodge. Okay, great. Surf Lodge is my idea of a good time.

20:10Okay.

20:12Claudia Oshry:Outdoor, alfresco. They have, like, nice drinks. Great. So I have a Friday night. But I want to go to Surf Lodge when, like, someone that I like is performing, if that's possible. Great. My friends have a table. and we're going to go. Okay. But I like a daytime better. It's funny. I do too, but they claim that the weather is nicer. It's like... At night. At night. It's not hot. I guess I get to do bedtime, yeah. It's not hot. After bedtime. Oh, wow. You're in. I have no issue with surf lodge. Okay. As long as I'm set up. So what do you have issues with? I don't like nightclubs. Same. I don't like a place where I can't get a nice glass of Sancerre.

20:53so you like a sophisticated joint

20:55Claudia Oshry:I like a sophisticated joint where I could get a nice drink I don't want to really go to a bar I need the music to be music that I like totally I need space, I need breathing room I don't want to be like sardine totally, same, great my god, what a summer we're going to have and then when are we going to Vegas I like shade too, we should go to Vegas we should center it around a great concert that's happening like Kelly Clarkson that sounds fun Josh and I are doing a live podcast. This has nothing to do with Vegas. August 16th. Oh, you're just plugging your stuff. Just plugging, yeah. August 16th.

21:30I guess I was like thinking about the -

21:31Claudia Oshry:Your upcoming travel plans. About Atlantic City. August 16th at the American Dream Mall. I love that. I would go to that. It's very good friendly. The American Dream Mall is my idea of a good time. Yeah, so that's fun. They have skiing and they have good guys. They have Angry Birds mini golf and they have Mr. Beast hamburgers. So fun. We love it there. It's wonderful. It's also a very Hasidish scene. They have kosher beef jerky. That's what it is. That's why. Very Hasidish. Kosher beef jerky. Could you imagine? Where do they have it? They have a jerky store and they have a kosher section. You're lying.

22:03Claudia Oshry:I'm not. Oh, we need to go. I mean, I'm going, but you all need to go. Have we been? August 16th. We literally were there less than a year ago. But we should all go. Okay. Twist my... It's a little far. Oh, so now you're the naysayer. No, I'm going. It's a little far for you guys to come. Just to sport the Jeej. Just support the Jeej and get some Jerk. Jeej and Jerk. Jerk and Jeej. You guys should podcast from that store. I love that idea. Specifically. The Jerky store. I'm in. I'm in. Great. Synergy. What else is going on? Not too much. It's a Friday. We do have to do the show. We do. And the stories and the work and the Love Island recap we've been watching together.

22:41Should we just jump into that?

22:43Claudia Oshry:We will. We will. So I'm just going to let you know today we're going to do the stories. We're going to get to the Love Island recap. Last night was family night. I will say episodes like last night, the show is bad. The season is bad. The cast is bad. You guys know how I feel. Episodes like last night and episodes like movie night, like make all of it worth something because it's like everything that we had to suffer through, the chickens come home to roost. So I'm really excited to recap last night. Yeah. Last night was a good episode. I do sometimes find that I am wasting my life watching this show.

23:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah. that the frequency and that every single night especially when it's like a bad drawn out episode like the one from two nights ago where they did the I'm wasting my life like I could be playing a game I could be hanging out with people that I love I could be watching something better yeah like you know I do know sometimes I feel like we have this conversation I know you worry about the calories that you waste when you watch Love Island oh my god at least a thousand at least I start into a bag of Drizzleicious Drizzleicious let me tell you Claudia has literally given us three soliloquies separately about Drizzleicious we know that you guys love it we're the same person actually not in full regard to snacks because she because she doesn't like Nerds Rope and I'm not a chips person really I'm not a plain chips I'll have a Harvest Cheddar Sun chip a Dorito, a plain baked lay vial it's so boring what the fuck do you do with a plain baked lay choke on it but her love for Drizzlicious has been thoroughly stated the thing is this is a diet snack that's not dietetic not at the you're eating it by the truckload that's what I'm saying well it's a bag if you give me a bag I'm going to finish a bag that's why we need smaller bags they have smaller bags they have single serving even though we don't need to therapize my eating disorder so you'll have a Love Island recap.

24:41We'll have a Love Island recap. We have a bunch of stories.

24:44Claudia Oshry:And we can get into everything if that's all with you. Without further ado to do to do. I think let's jump right in. And see where it takes us. It can always take us back to Vegas and back to Atlantic City. We can always tangent. But I think we should start somewhere. Let's start. So without further ado to do to do it is time for the Fast Five stories that you do need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Truvia. We are tried and Truvia here at The Toast and in our household and in our share house this summer. Everybody is fighting over the Truvia Allulose Plus Stevia Sweetener and Monk Fruit Sweetener.

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31:31Claudia Oshry:That's rocketmoney.com slash toast, rocketmoney.com slash toast. It's amazing. It has saved users over$880 million in canceled subscriptions. Wow, that's a lot. So automating savings that grow towards goals with adjustable amounts and frequency. Set it and forget it. Save money with Rocket Money. Thank you. Our first story. Are you ready, Lish? I am. I just got a very exciting email, though. Oh, really? Yeah, sorry that I was checking my emails when you were reading the emails. No, that's literally fine. Are you going to share the exciting email? I think so. I think I can share it, like, vaguely enough that I'm going to be on a pilot for a food-related big network show.

32:16Claudia Oshry:Okay. The initials of the network are FM. What's the show? I don't know. But it's a pilot of a show on FM. And you're going to be on it? This is signed, sealed? Well, no. Definitely not signed or sealed. Just exciting. That's really crazy that you shared that. I share everything. I'm an open book. No, it's fine to be an open book, but I don't know. FM, Jackie. FM. The dream. Fast News. I know, I know. I'm too that's so not that's so not me you're so painful like with your secret you can't even hold in a secret project do you know how many secret projects I'm holding in take that back okay you can you can who's better at holding a secret project you or Claudia me yeah she really struggles the secret projects like are are piling up they are this isn't a secret project this is an exciting email yeah yeah yeah no they are piling up about FN I'm like too good at hiding a secret project that like I actually won't like ever share when it's launched.

33:22No, it doesn't launch.

33:23Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Your secret projects, you launch them for you. Yeah. They're passion projects. Okay, let's get into the story. Thank you for that. Thank you for that nothing. FM. Thank you for that nothingness. Our first story, actually. Summer House Season 11 filming plans have been revealed as Bravo is navigating the post-scandal fallout. So, according to Page Six, Bravo is getting creative to make sure the sun doesn't set on Summer House following a scandal written Season 10. One source told Page Six that network execs are hyper-focused on the continued success of the series, given the explosion in viewership during season 10, which documented the demise of Kyle and Amanda and Wes Mandeval.

33:56Sure.

33:57Claudia Oshry:We're told showrunners are finding new ways to prevent interest from waiting the way it did with Vanderpump Rules. Source notes that the stakes are even higher now that Amanda and Wes are not returning for season 11, which begins filming this weekend. I would actually say right now they're driving out. They are. They are. Yes. And as our resident Jesse Solomon correspondent, I would say you're Jesse Solomon's spokesperson. Sure. What do you know about this? I know that they're filming this week. This week. I know that they're filming this week. I know that it's going to be a great season. He's feeling great.

34:31And, yeah, you know, it's hard to follow up a season filled with legitimate drama. It's very, very rare. This season of Summer House is the dream for a network.

34:42Claudia Oshry:How do you feel about them not bringing back Wes and Amanda? I feel pretty good about it. I think that maybe West could have come back. That's a crazy take. Just because he's a little bit crazy, but fun, friends with... I feel like Amanda just ruined all of her relationships. Who would Amanda have been friends with in the house? West still had Jesse, maybe. Maybe. West would have made more friends. He's like a very like, it seems like a very outgoing, whether like narcissistically calculated nut job. Like he's still like a social like friendly guy. So only the woman should be punished? No, I think that she though, like she's not gonna, or does she have that other show with Kyle?

35:30What is that other show? In the City. In the City? Mm-hmm. No, neither of them should be on. Just start fresh. Start anew. But I don't know where the drama's gonna come from.

35:39Claudia Oshry:Don't you think you lose that like interest of the reason why this is? season was so big. But I guess that if you bring on good new people, new drama will come. Yeah, but that requires a level of patience that a lot of us don't have after putting in so many years of... So you would just not watch it? No, no, no. I'll watch it. I want to see what they do, but I would have brought back West and Amanda. Sure. Do you think that they didn't bring back West and Amanda, or West and Amanda didn't want to be back? I think they didn't bring them back. Got it. Interesting. The article says they're told the network is experimenting with crossover episodes featuring Bravo liberties from other show.

36:12Claudia Oshry:notably cast members from Southern Hospitality were pictured hanging out with the Summer House crew in the Hamptons over July 4th weekend. Got it. Also, Kyle appears to be dating or seeing Sally from Southern Charm. So maybe we'll see Sally on Summer House. I don't really think this is the answer either. They've always had Tom Schwartz coming through the house and random Bravo Leopardy's because they did Winter House. Craig used to come. That's not show-saving to have Maddie read. come to the summer house? You know what would be show saving? If me and you walked in with two four packs of Spritz Society to a party.

36:53That's what would be show saving.

36:54Claudia Oshry:I know you want to go to a party. Like you're going to a summer house party this summer. I think we're going to go. Why not? Why not? Shall I count the ways? I don't know. It's at night. It's outside. I'll get you good food. You'll have space. No, no, no. And it won't be so far from our house. But you and Margo should go. Yeah. sure I need like an adult in the room too you know otherwise it's just like me babysitting Margo yeah well you'll have your boy Jesse it'll be me babysitting him too I don't know I'll just like I'm not cut out for that environment without you or without Claude yeah maybe I'd go maybe if Craig's in town I'd go that would be fun but yeah I'm just saying we could start some drama we could are we the key we might be major key where you can save summer house we could not that like i want to but yeah i'm glad that they're taking seriously the fact that like you don't want to go down the vanderpump rules road of like beating this dead horse and how are we going to keep it fresh the things that i'm seeing here about like you know a bunch of like random bravo stars like rolling through is not it for me but who knows it's just a good premise summer in the hamptons people in a share house going out and having fun and they honestly don't show enough of them out and having fun yeah if they wanted to they could very easily turn this into the jersey shore no but they can't so much places don't let them so then they need to just find places that will let them film they do to a degree but it's like one they need to find more of them yeah even if it's like you know like driving to long island like you know how it is out here yeah but so don't be out here drive more like closer to the city go party at like a random barn Riverhead and start a fight.

38:35Yeah. They could do shit like that.

38:37Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No? No. I don't know. I don't know. I think they could. Yeah. And there's got to be a bar out here that's struggling that would love the publicity. Yeah. Sure. Surf Lodge isn't going to let them come. Or even though I really don't know why. It's great publicity. Yeah, it is. What don't I? Talk House doesn't want. It's not like everyone at Surf Lodge isn't on their phones live streaming the whole thing. They'd be so excited about a show being filmed while they're there. Maybe it's a liability issue. But yeah, I don't know. I think the producers need to work a little harder. Yeah, I agree.

39:14Claudia Oshry:Also, there was just announced another Summer House franchise is coming to Bravo. I think I saw that. And I didn't click it, but yeah, a Summer House spinoff is set in Canada. in Muskoka, Ontario, a lakeside vacation town outside of Toronto. Got it. So it's Summer House, Canada. Summer House, Canada. Eh? Cool. How about that? That sounds good. That sounds fun. I love every show that's come out of Canada. Fantastic. These Canadians. Did you watch the Martin Short documentary? No. You would love it if you haven't. Did you know that him, Eugene Levy, Chris Farley, there are so many more, they're all from Canada.

39:56They all did the Canadian arts circuit, made these amazing shows. What's her name that I love? Home Alone passed away. Catherine O 'Hara. She was in that circuit. She's their girl, their boy.

40:09Claudia Oshry:But what about Canadian reality TV? Snooki. You know that Snooki has a ghost hunting show in Canada? Snooki ghost hunts. That's great. I think that was sort of like Snooki walked so that these summer house people could run. Yeah. And now it's going to be, what is it, Muskok? Muskok. Muskoca, Ontario. Summer House, Muskoca. It really doesn't roll off the tongue. I'm not going to lie to you. Yeah. Who's going to be in it? Katy Perry? I don't know. Is she the star? I think new people. No. Katy and Justin? Yeah. Justin. Justin and Katy. Yeah. In Muskoca. Yeah. No? That's a winning idea. I think so.

40:47Who else would you get?

40:49Claudia Oshry:No, I mean, it's going to be people we don't know. Got it. Oh, do you watch Rhode Island? I watched most of it, but I didn't finish it. These are fun ladies. Yeah. That's like the, I think it's like the most entertaining new franchise that I've seen in a long time. Yeah. Because they're so real and raw. There's actually been like a lot of new good reality shows. There is? What else? Like Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. I don't like that show. You don't? Like I'll get into it if I'm watching it because like that's reality TV. Like they give you storylines and you get into it. But no, I don't really like, I didn't like this whole like Taylor Frankie Paul situation.

41:24I didn't like any of it. It's too much.

41:25Claudia Oshry:Actually, that's a great segue to our next story because Taylor Frankie Paul will be returning to Secret Lives Mormon Fives for season five amid her legal battles. Yeah, this is not right. She shouldn't be on this show. No. It's the same thing with Amanda. If Amanda actually wasn't asked back on, you would think that it has to do with her well-documented mental health issues. There's a lot going on in her life. West is like there's a lot going on there where he's lying to people. and he's Taylor's sort of like right in there. Like Taylor is a mess. Yeah. Like she has young kids. Like we saw so much and it just feels like filming another season would put her children in jeopardy.

42:11It's just like a strange, I don't like it at all. What do you think?

42:14Claudia Oshry:I can understand like if you're not like very close to it, how on its face it seems like the wrong choice. Like because, you know, and what she did like was so bad and it's like some people just need a break and like don't, this is a toxic environment and like don't make it more toxic with reality TV. Yeah. But I feel like for Taylor, first of all, I think she does this like, and producers have said this about her, like she's made for TV. She does it like nothing for her. It's not, she just is herself. It's just herself with cameras rolling. So it's not like she's any different for it. I think also even if she weren't on TV, like she posts everything to social media.

42:48Claudia Oshry:She's like healing in real time. If you follow her, it's like a lot of long captions. and this and that. And so she's always sharing. Whether or not she's going to be on a show, she's always going to be sharing. She's always going to be on social media. That's just like how she's built. And I don't think like cameras picking up on her life will actually hinder her ability to heal. But I do think like if she's totally cut off from like work and like this world that she built and everything was built off of her and everybody's success is like from her and her original sin, you know, and the swing and everything.

43:21Claudia Oshry:thing like I don't know how fair that is either especially because when they picked up filming like everything about her was known they knew maybe we didn't know we hadn't seen the video but like producers knew people around her knew and then like so to be punished like again for it I think I don't know it just like makes me sad and I just want her to like be successful and like have peace in her life and I feel like if she doesn't have a job and she's not working like that's not really great either this is her job she's not gonna have another career after this and I feel like she also needs like justice and if we never hear from her again like long form on the show or anything she's tried to like share on her social media like what she's been through but she does it in a bad way I find um and I feel like right now her name is like in the toilet and I feel like she needs justice for herself and I want to hear the end of her story I do like from an entertainment perspective like I want to like finish this chapter but I also understand like why it's uncomfortable given like what we saw but I don't know I just am rooting for her and rooting for her includes employing her I don't know if that's like a hot take it's a good take I know it's like a hot take because of course it's like bad no go away I think her situation is like a lot more nuanced It is.

44:43I guess the part that, and I already told you I don't love the show. I watch the show whenever it's in front of me. But that video is seared in my brain of her throwing a chair, whether or not it hit her daughter or scared her daughter. or I just don't actually think that that – I'm always – I don't like canceling people at all. But I do think that like endangering your children on television is bad.

45:20So maybe if there's like a different – maybe if there are different rules. Like you can come back and film but your kids –

45:28Claudia Oshry:Her kids don't film. She has three children. The older two don't film. But don't they not film not because she doesn't want them to film? It's because the ex-husband doesn't want them. It's because the ex-husband doesn't want them. And then the younger child, Dakota and her, are both fine with him filming. Yeah, because they don't care. Yeah. Like, they don't care about the, like, repercussions of the long-lasting repercussions of being a child on reality TV with toxic parents. You could say that about so many people, like, that. But they're not toxic. I don't think. I don't know. But I do hear you that she, everybody deserves a second chance.

46:09This show must be making Hulu and Disney so much money. The fact that they will bring her back, that they were cool with a fully canceled Bachelorette, and still are employing her. The same network is employing her. No, it's really crazy. It must be their number one show.

46:30Claudia Oshry:But it's like, it's not even that because. For reality. Roseanne was their number one show, right? And they fired Roseanne and then the show tanked. And that was the biggest show like, and it's ABC also. So it's like, so it's actually crazy that they keep, usually when people are canceled, it's like, I don't care how much producers love you or like the industry loves you. Like you're toxic, you're gone, goodbye. It is crazy that they are still like fighting for her a little bit. It's not that. I think that Roseanne crossed a line in media that you cannot cross. I guess Taylor didn't. I guess the endangerment of children isn't.

47:04I'm not even saying that sarcastically. Yeah. I really think that we are told what the lines are, and I guess whatever she's doing is not the line.

47:16Claudia Oshry:I mean, that's similar to Love Island, how the people who are removed from the villa for having social media posts, It's like they're thrown out, but then Tiara comes out that she threatens to shoot someone with a gun, and they have a restraining order against her. It's not the line. And that's not the line. It's not the line. Yeah. It's interesting. It's not the line at all. But if it's not the line, what happened to the Tiger King? Isn't he in jail? I don't follow Tiger King. I don't know if that will shock a lot of you. I don't think most people follow Tiger King. I never even watched it. Oh, I loved it.

47:45It was a great COVID show. It was really fun and enjoyable. I never watched it in COVID.

47:48Claudia Oshry:I'm marked safe. But I just know that he's in jail. he's been in jail for a long time I don't remember what he did though I'm not going to advocate for him I'm just saying that's not the line jail's not the line no jail is not the line so when you were saying she must make so much money it's like not just about money sometimes no it's about money and not having crossed that line yeah she didn't cross it yeah I guess so they didn't find an old tweet no she must not have old tweets she must not have ever said anything bad about a group of people yeah it's actually crazy that she just drunkenly violently throws chairs near and around her her children on camera and like and that's not the line no and like repeatedly like takes back this like piece of shit toxic like she continues to engage with this like horrible person but that's tv yeah that's literally love island it's a great segue if you want to go there no no it's not time okay it's not time yet later it will be but like that's just tv yeah so from an entertainment perspective the last five months have been insane i mean when her season of the bachelorette was canceled like that was the biggest news i some of the i would say top five maybe even top three biggest stories we've ever covered in doing the toast yeah and so how do you same with west man of all which is why it's crazy that they're not bringing them back so like how do you walk away from all of that like story and publicity as a network like because also the girls refused to film with her they kept saying like more is coming out more is coming out she's also had a couple of like legal wins against dakota so yeah i don't think the story is done being told doesn't that make you think then that maybe amanda and wes just left i feel like if that were the case we would know they would have said maybe they're maybe they're done saying things because the last And then they said something.

49:39It blew up in their face.

49:40Claudia Oshry:Maybe. But everything that everybody says about West is that he's just fame-hungry, climbing the ladder. But he didn't cross the line. No, fame-hungry, climbing the ladder, da-da-da-da-da. So why would a person like that leave a reality TV show that's now the number one show? Because maybe he's been checked. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that this was obviously a nightmare for him, too. His reputation is ruined. Of course. And I'm not saying not deservingly so, but ruined reputation. Right. But so it's like when you're there, wouldn't you at least try to want to? There's nowhere to go. No, I think you kind of just want to like Homer Simpson into the bush.

50:18There's nowhere to go but up.

50:19Claudia Oshry:There's nowhere to go but up. I think you give it another shot. Can't get worse. Maybe he's doing something else. It can't get worse. It can't get worse. So give it a shot. It can't get worse. Make some money. Like probably a million dollars a seat. Go to work. Yeah. I don't think they walked away. Interesting. But then what line did they cross? Oh, this is the one. Sorry. I don't think Sierra will film with either of them. And so the network wants her on the show and fired them. I don't think it's her. I think it's Kyle. No, no, no. I think it's her. You think so? Kyle has a love for Amanda. Did you watch the reunion?

50:55Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I think he's willing to talk through and work through everything. He just wants to keep talking about things and feeling things. Sierra's done. So Sierra won't live in a house with them. How could she? You can't have the three of them on Summer House. So who would you choose? They chose Sierra. That's really what it is. I understand. That might make sense to me. Yeah. That might make sense to me. Sierra seems lovely. I think that Amanda and West collectively might be more entertaining. Right. But it wouldn't have been fair. Okay, I think they did the right thing. for her to be punished for them being ethically yeah yeah from a entertainment standpoint to be determined yes agreed so are you ready for our next story yeah i think i think that was a lovely we we did good there you think so i don't know i'm like nervous for what people are going to say but i just like no we we just feel bad for her no i i think we we gave grace i think we covered it Yeah.

52:00Claudia Oshry:Our next story, a breakdown of Taylor and Travis's$30 million Madison Square Garden wedding has been revealed. So we never got to talk to you about Taylor and Travis's wedding since it's happened. Yes. But the rumors are saying it was$30 million with roughly$5 million alone spent on florals and decor. Yeah, I'm sure like transforming MSG into a secret garden. Yeah. Cost$5 million. Plus$30 total. How much would you have thought they spent? Way more. $30 seems light. especially for the amount of security renting out the garden. I don't know what any of that costs. But at first when I heard that they were doing it at the garden, I was like, they're not doing it at the garden.

52:40Like, why the fuck would you get married at Madison Square Garden? You're going to get married on the court. And then I realized, like, how stupid are you? Like, you remove the court. And it's just an enormous, very, very secure. Nobody gets in or out. No drones. No nothing.

52:54Claudia Oshry:But in terms of, like, usable spaces for ceremony reception, section, don't you only have the court to work with? You remove all of those chairs. No, like the Knicks court. No, I'm saying, so there's the Knicks court. Then there's the bleachers behind, which you can all retract. You can take them. And it's not sloped? No, it's not sloped. The chairs build up. So it just becomes - So you have the whole 100 section as well? At least on the baseline. Okay. I don't know on the sides. I know at least courtside is chairs, so it widens. We're talking about inches with courtside. Yeah, you're right. Courtside would be like the size of this room.

53:38Claudia Oshry:Right. So if you can remove the 100 section and level it. I don't know if you can remove all of it. I know you can remove a lot of court and a lot of square footage and create plenty of room for a large event. Okay. But it's a very strange venue choice. Well, I mean, it worked out perfectly. They had complete privacy. They had security. Everyone got in and out, and we haven't seen anything. There was no helicopters, drones overhead. Yeah. They got exactly what they wanted. I guess they got exactly what they wanted. Yeah. I mean, it was a strange choice, but I think it was the right choice for them.

54:16Claudia Oshry:It was the right choice. We still haven't seen anything. No, and you probably won't. Unless they filmed it. or I think you'll see it on their time yes yes I hope that she shares yeah everyone's just been along on the journey yeah for as long as she's been famous almost 20 years yeah yeah like she's the ultimate romantic and she found her Romeo like I'm sorry we need a picture yeah oh true oh there isn't even a picture no we don't know what she wore oh wow that's crazy yeah I didn't even think about that we don't know what the inside looks like but we know who performed Paul McCartney and Stevie Nicks And Taylor Swift.

54:52Claudia Oshry:And she sang at the rehearsal dinner. Got it. Yeah. Got it. So what did you think about anything that you saw so far? I don't think I saw anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just like what you saw, what did you think? I thought it was a weird choice for a venue. And I don't know. Like you're going to – you have unlimited money and you're going to drag everybody to Penn Station. In like July 4th weekend in the middle of a heat wave? Oh, yeah. That's also a really, really great point. Taylor Swift did one of, in my opinion, the rudest things one can do. If you invite me to a Memorial Day weekend wedding, a July 4th weekend wedding, a Labor Day weekend wedding, a Thanksgiving Eve wedding.

55:36If you take away my days that I have been given off by corporate America, self-servingly for you, that's fucked up.

55:49Claudia Oshry:So if you were invited, you wouldn't have gone? Of course I would have gone. You wouldn't have gone because it was July 4th. It doesn't mean that it's right. You don't have to do July 4th weekend. You can do the weekend before July 4th weekend so that people can spend July 4th the way that they want to spend July 4th, not the way that you want them to spend July 4th. You know, Paul McCartney might have wanted to grill. Maybe he wanted to sit out, flip some burgers, listen to some tunes. You go to his house, he's 100 % playing acoustic, you know, and he loves that. Yeah. He loves that, and he wasn't able to do that because he was in Manhattan in 100 degrees on somebody else's timeline.

56:23Claudia Oshry:I wouldn't mind the July 4th wedding at like a destination where I want to spend July 4th. I guess, but like you don't, put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is given, they work a nine to five job. They are given off truly 10 days a year, major holidays. You're gonna steal one of those for somebody's wedding? It's not nice. I don't know, I think it's like a Nantucket and there's like a room block with a discounted, hotel room in Nantucket? Just do it the week before. Did she pay for everybody to come? She better have. No, but we're also not talking about people who work a standard 9-to-5 who get 10 days off.

57:01Claudia Oshry:No, I'm saying in general. Sure, for this wedding. I almost said stupid wedding. But I don't want anybody coming for me. For this beautiful wedding. Stupendous wedding. For this stupendous wedding where everybody invited lives in an alternative reality. Absolutely. I guess it doesn't matter. But I do think that a lot of them probably would have wanted to hang by the pool on July 4th. Michael Rubin had to move up his white party. See? People are suffering. Yeah, they are. They are suffering. So, that's so interesting. That's why he did it on Wednesday. Yeah. I was thinking to myself, what the hell are you doing?

57:39Claudia Oshry:And he literally said it too, like to People Magazine. He said, I didn't want people to have to choose between Taylor's wedding and the party because of course they would have chosen the wedding. I don't know. That party looks fun. Oh, you would have chosen the party. No. It's a moment in time. Party happens every year. Party happens every year. And Taylor's wedding once. She is. Claudia is my wife. My sick birthday wife. Birthday. I wonder how she's feeling. Should we sing her happy birthday? Sure. What pitch do you want? And which one? Do you want like the Stevie Wonder? No, I think I want the classic.

58:13Claudia Oshry:And you start the pitch and I'll sort of like harmonize. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Mojana Frederick, Turdy Lou Freebush. Happy birthday to you.

58:46Wow.

58:47Claudia Oshry:She'll love that. She'll love it. She'll never listen, but she'll love it. We'll clip it for her. We will. Okay, let's get to the rest of the show. And the rest of today's episode is brought to you by Ride or Die, which is a new series on Prime Video. Ride or Die is a high-octane and action comedy starring Octavia Spencer and Hannah Waddingham. Love. The show follows two best friends of 20 years, Judith, played by Hannah Waddingham, and Debbie, played by Octavia Spencer. Their lives are upended when one turns out to be a secret international assassin. The two best friends find themselves on the run with a mysterious villain chasing them, and Debbie's husband involved in something deeply corrupt.

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1:05:52Claudia Oshry:Mm-hmm. I know that F1 is like an enormous sport. Yeah. Like people love it. It's super cool. Yeah. It's basically NASCAR, but like not American. and I think cooler cars. The thing about NASCAR that I think they could use a new car. Like F1, they're driving like sick fucking Ferraris. Like NASCAR, it's built Ford tough. Like I don't know if it's Ford for sure, but like I would just love to see like a cool car because it's really the only thing separating them. I guess. It's definitely vibes, but I feel like NASCAR like has a great thing going on. It does. It has a great thing. They don't need any of my help.

1:06:27I'm just saying, I'm just saying that if they wanted to keep F1 sort of out, they could attempt to have a racing league of their own that had like cool sporty cars.

1:06:40Claudia Oshry:But if I keep F1 out, I feel like there's room for all of us. There could be. I'm sure that they like don't want a competitor. And as much as like F1, I feel like F1 is sort of being like foisted upon me. They have like F1 Miami every year. It's always the same as a Kentucky Derby. And there's a lot of celebrities and like buzz. I don't know how many people actually watch it or what sort of – A lot. In terms of mass attendance. And then they had an F1 movie that was also shoved down our throats with songs from Tate McRae and everybody made a song for the movie. And that was a movie about F1, the league.

1:07:12Yeah. Yeah? I don't know. Right? But F1's huge. F1's huge. It's soccer.

1:07:16Claudia Oshry:It's soccer. Right. But for America, they're doing the same thing that soccer's doing. It's like, sure, yeah, big in Miami. Yeah. Good luck out there. The thing is, F1, like, it's just, if you like the idea of NASCAR, I think you're just like, it's just like a vibier NASCAR. Well, you could say the same thing about football. If you like the idea of football, try soccer. It's not really vibier. It's actually the opposite. I think, like, American football is a vibe. Actually, no. They both are viby. It's all viby. It's all viby. Baseball is viby. Hockey is viby. Sports are viby. Sports are viby.

1:07:48Claudia Oshry:Golf is viby. I actually meant to ask you, like, what's going on with Liv? Liv Golf. It's dead. I mean, like the Saudis were just like, we're not giving you any more money. So how I mean, I was single handedly put on the backs of the prince or king crown prince of Saudi Arabia. Yeah. He was like, I want a golf league. I'm going to fund it. He realized that like it seems like there's no path to making this a profitable, legitimate contender to the PGA Tour. And he's cutting his losses. It's over. I have to watch a new season of Full Swing to explain it to me fully. But like how do you think it reflects on the players who like went to live?

1:08:26I mean like if you're offered money to go somewhere, like life-changing money, I think you can leave a job and your job can take you back. Like I don't take issue with it.

1:08:39Claudia Oshry:You don't think it makes them look bad? I don't think it should make them look bad. Like I keep like how many times are you going to say corporate America in this podcast? But like if you have a job. You're such a commie. And you're offered a job that pays you 10 times more. Actually, that's not a commie. You go there for two years. You made your money. Am I the commie? You might be. And now the question is just like, will your old job take you back? Yeah. Will you be well received? Do you think that they should? I think that talent should rise to the top. If you're incredibly talented. Do they have to earn their spots?

1:09:15No.

1:09:16Claudia Oshry:No? Because they're amazing. The ones who are truly amazing, Bryson DeChambeau, Jon Rahm. Phil Mickelson. Phil Mickelson. Dustin. Yeah, these are unbelievable golfers. Who's the other one? With a B. Patrick Reed? No, his wife is a model. B. With a B? Yeah. Dennis Sims is his wife. Oh, Brooks Koepka. Brooks with a B. Yeah, yeah. Brooks Koepka. These are all amazing golfers who were offered insanely large sums of money to work less hard. And they said yes. What do you think about Rory? I hate him. Really? Yeah. Just like, I think he's always just so snooty. I like him, okay? No, I'm just like, he's just not it for me.

1:10:04Claudia Oshry:He did the right thing. Who cares? What about the right thing? I don't know. Like he's an ass sniffer. Like brown noser. Why don't we call it an ass sniffer? Brown noser? He did the right thing. I don't think he needs to do the right thing. What about morals? Like he doesn't owe anything to the league. What does he owe to the league? He's talent. It was blood money. I don't know. It's all blood. What about the human rights violations, Lish? It's all blood money. What about the human rights violations? It's all blood money. We can track the money. It's all blood. I'm sure, by the way, I'm sure that Saudi Arabia, this is not fact-checked whatsoever.

1:10:42I'm sure they invested in the PGA Tour through some fund.

1:10:45Claudia Oshry:Well, but yeah, probably. They have so much money. My favorite thing is like when we hear like, oh, Elon Musk is the first trillionaire. And it's like, is he? How much fucking money do they have over there? Oh, yeah, but he might be the first trillionaire. I don't know. And I just say. They have undocumented large sums of money. Don't you think Elon should give me a billion dollars? just because he can just because like don't you think yeah you should become friends with him try i just think he should you should work through may musk you and may could just like become like girls like swirly just like hanging out gardening talking about elon and then you just like casually one day say hey you know do you think your son would be missing a billion yeah if he gave it to me no i don't i just think like like he should give you a billion didn't he post good guys once Yes.

1:11:34Multiple times. Five separate times. Don't rub it in. Don't rub it in. Because we literally did an ad for Starlink when we had Mr. Beast on. Right. And he loves that clip. And I've said, Elon, please come on the show. You're more than welcome.

1:11:45Claudia Oshry:That would be great. That's a great guest for you guys. We've met Elon. Claudia's met Elon. Has she ever told this story? Yes, she has. It was before he really popped off. 100%. It's when he was just post-sale of the PayPal and pre-everything that he has. Just a rich guy trying to go to space. Yeah. At like, it was a party in LA for like the, I think it was like the owner of the Rams or something. And we were, me, Claudia, Elon. Pretty cool. How fun. We didn't keep in touch. He also used to, when he had an Instagram account, he followed me on Instagram. Do you know that? That's funny. Big meme guy.

1:12:20Claudia Oshry:Oh, I know. Big meme guy. But he deleted his Instagram, so he no longer follows me. Well, speaking of other geniuses, Love Island. Yeah, we got to recap it. let's recap love island last night was family night and we got some we got like you know stuff like it was a real it was an episode that felt like a real episode now i did say earlier in the week that because i dislike these people so much i actually i'm not interested in meeting their families like i don't want to know where they came from and how they like got to be these awful people that they are i'm walking that back i loved meeting their families i thought it gave like so much like context to each individual it strengthened so many relationships for example kenzie and dylan Like that's exactly how a family meet should go.

1:13:02Claudia Oshry:Like you really get a lot of, I don't know that Kenzie and Dylan are like meant to be, are going to stay together forever. But like in that moment, I think, you know, their families liking each other. It affirms your relationship so much. I think Kenzie came off amazingly when she like pulled the mother, you know, woman to woman. She just had, it was just like, that's how a family day should go. Like we are stronger because of it. When they were all like crying, seeing their parents, like I actually was like wanting to cry because they're literally have been like dumped on this Island in this like psychological torture chamber and And also, I guess they've also been like semi-forgotten because there's like the producers just like.

1:13:33Sure.

1:13:34Claudia Oshry:Have a lot going on. And like, I feel like they've just been like left there. And so when they were all crying, seeing their parents, like that was actually very emotional. Yeah. And you could really feel that. And I felt like everyone's, everyone's parents did an amazing job of like saying what needed to be said. Yeah. We will obviously get to Melanie and Sincere last, but just like touching on everyone else. Of course, like Bryce's grandma was the queen. The goat. The queen of the night. I would say Queenie. Queenie of Love Island. seeing like how him and Trinity's families like were so happy for them.

1:14:03Claudia Oshry:And I think what was so good to see was like the difference they could see in their children. Like, I can see this is the right relationship with you. I felt the same way about Kada and Zach. I know they've been through it, but like Kada's mom, and it's so true what Kada's mom said. Like she said, Kada is so happy. She's always laughing. She's always smiling. And it's true. She is so, day to day in the villa, she's a happy person. This isn't a relationship that's like sucking the life out of her. Yes, she's had sad moments. And she cried when she saw Zach kissing the girl at Casa. But like generally speaking, this relationship like makes her very happy and very bubbly.

1:14:35Claudia Oshry:And if I'm her family, I am happy for her. They called him out on the couple of weird comments that he made. I think seeing him speak to his family also gave color to like his weird personality. Even when Charlie, oh my God, how did I not mention Charlie? His brother Charlie was there. And Charlie was like, you love her, bro. And he's like, no, I don't. I really like her. And like in the way that he was saying it, he loves her. Do you know what I mean? 100%. It's just how – but on paper if you read, no, I don't love her, like you're like, oh, he hates her. But when you see him, it's like that's just how he speaks.

1:15:06And then he doubled back. He was like, no, I don't love her. Oh, actually like I love her. Like I think he really loves her.

1:15:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think they – I do. I think they love each other. I think he's really scared of the amount that he likes this girl. you could tell that when he was at casa thinking that she like thought that he was like like I don't know like being inappropriate with another girl like he was freaking out and I don't think that it's because like he thought that she'd be angry at him I think he was freaking out because he didn't want to lose her I think he's like very aware that he has a great girl I think that uh I agree with you Bryson Trinity great like and I his grandma is just like the best and it just showed like how nice of a guy Bryce is yeah and he's like just crying just talking about her like that's a quality guy I think it made Carl and Anaya better like I I don't I don't think I haven't thought that they were like the strongest couple I think I always thought that like oh she loves Casey they brought back Carl like what really is going on here and then like when you saw their families together like oh you know they they they look like a they look like a nice match And Carl's mom is, she's first of all, what is she, 6 '8"?

1:16:17Claudia Oshry:She's huge. I didn't clock the height. And she just seems like a lovely woman. Lovely lady. No, I would say Carl and I had a similar experience as Casey and Dylan where it really firms up their relationship, solidifies. For Anaya. And I think the same thing for Kenzie. Yeah. It looked to me, unless they were just being awkward, it seemed like Kenzie got everything that she needed to push the relationship forward. And the second she did that, I felt like Dylan took a step back. Oh, yeah. You said last night as we were watching, it feels like he doesn't like her. Feels like he doesn't like her. And then the same thing sort of happened with Carl.

1:16:51It's like Aniyah finally unleashed the floodgates, met the family, felt really good about it. And then Carl was kind of standoffish. You think so? I definitely feel that way about Dylan. I don't think Dylan likes Kenzie anymore.

1:17:04Claudia Oshry:That's so interesting. Maybe Carl is just, he has an interesting personality that I can't read. But I also think when you're on that show, there's always like a piece of you that's like, is this person who they say they are? What are they doing behind my back? You know, does America like them? Does my family like them? And so when your family comes in and is like, we've seen everything that you haven't seen. He's great. We like him for you. I think that just like accelerates you so much because it's like that missing piece of like of your friends and family. And what do they think? Of course. And that happened for Kenzie.

1:17:35And I think that for Dylan, it just, it might have scared him.

1:17:41Claudia Oshry:I don't know. I feel like Dylan might have expected that his family would be like, get away from this girl. Like, she's an explorer and blah, blah, blah. And the fact that they were like, give her, like, no one knows what it's like to be in this position. She's handled everything as best as she can. No, his mom seemed lovely. She was lovely. I really liked her approach with Kenzie. I thought it was so sweet. I thought all of the parents, like, gave amazing sound advice. it's crazy that some of their children have wound up the way that they have um i just want to give a shout out to mrs harvey because she came in with the energy that we needed i actually feel like she's a toaster because she was like happy for anaya blah blah blah but like one why did you pick casey after casa she like would not let that go she's like what what were you doing why didn't you pick her like and it's so true like that was such a horrible moment for anaya and that didn't need to happen because she had been embarrassed time and time again by Casey and like why did you do that like why did you and then when she was like you're not being a good friend to Melanie you're just saying these things because you want her to stay and you have a friendship with sincere but those are not the things that she needs to hear like thank you totally no thank you no she she hit the nail on the head yeah she hit the nail on the head and then and I like kind of felt She also said, which we should talk about Melanie and Sincere, but she also called an eye on Melanie and Sincere.

1:18:59Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that's what I just said. Oh, sorry. I blacked out. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed with that. Agreed. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, that needed to happen. Actually, before we get there, Casey and Titi, only thing that I'll say, I love them. I think that they're great. Titi scares me a little. There's a couple red flags have been raised. The thing with Titi is just watching the show, knowing nothing else, she seems great. The fact that she says that she's never had a boyfriend, the fact that she says that she has no friends, and the fact that she's pulled a gun on somebody, these things make me curious.

1:19:42But on the surface, they look like a good match. and when I just watched the show, they seemed cute and lovely.

1:19:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I really do like them too. I agree those things are like slight red flags, but you know what? Like sometimes just you haven't met the right person and you feel like shooting someone.

1:20:01And then you just get that itch to pull a gun.

1:20:03Claudia Oshry:Yeah, you forget a little trigger. That's funny. No, I know. I agree with what you've said, but I really like their connection. Yeah, me too. I will say the last episode has, and I don't know, maybe it's just online discourse too, has made me like really come around to Zach and Kata and their refusal to do boyfriend-girlfriend. I've seen like a lot of people talking about how the fact like on this show, exclusive and closing off is what you do. Like even the most legitimate couples who have come from this show, they didn't leave as boyfriend and girlfriend. They dated in the real world and then became boyfriend and girlfriend.

1:20:33Claudia Oshry:And yet the idea that they're all running around being like, he's my boyfriend and like you did meet two weeks ago, that doesn't actually make you more serious. It kind of makes it more of a joke. and I don't know where exactly I fall and like what, how people should be going about it. And I like that Trinity and Bryce went boyfriend, girlfriend, but it does not mean that Zach and Kate needed to do the same thing. I actually have more respect for them for the fact that they're not just like copying what other people are doing and they're moving in the pace that like feels normal for them in this super abnormal situation.

1:20:58Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And I just want to like let them breathe. I've always, I've never had a real issue with them, but I think even all the things that have like come up about Zach over the last few weeks, I'm kind of like ready to just like let them go. They are so happy. I always like each other so much. he seems like a nice guy everybody likes him in the villa like i think he's made a couple of comments that like came off poorly on tv but like it's such it's so impossible like maybe he's not rude maybe he's just australian i can't even imagine being filmed 24 7 for six weeks yeah you can't breathe yeah like you can't say anything you can't like you have to filter every thought like it's just yeah I think that like I think we have to give a little bit of grace and he he's been near perfect the only person who's been truly perfect Bryce has been perfect I don't know if he's like media trained if he's just an amazing amazing amazing guy he's 30 yeah and he knew coming in he said that he was a model like maybe he knows like a little bit about the entertainment industry like it's very very clear that he is very, very aware that everybody that he knows is watching the show and that he will watch it back and he wants to be proud of it.

1:22:11Claudia Oshry:It's not even hard for him. And Sincere, clearly, because I want to talk about them, clearly forgot that everybody in the world is watching this show. Yeah, before we get to Sincere, I just want to say Charlie, Brother Charlie, he did not seem well. No, he seemed a little hopped up on something. Yeah. He seemed like... You know? Yeah. That's not the Charlie I remember. He looked like he was on speed. Yeah. He was speeding. It was very weird to see, like, the siblings together. Very weird. It was a very, like, I know we're here to talk about, like, the family's not insincere, but, like, Zach and Charlie was, like, a lot.

1:22:46No. And the sister. I just, like.

1:22:49Claudia Oshry:And then the sister who's, like. I don't know. Jack. Like, she's just the two of them combined in a wig. No, they all just looked. They all look really. They looked like twins. Triplets. Like triplets. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, it was really crazy to see Charlie back like that. And it's true. Like Charlie literally lasted six days on his season. His brother was an original villager and is staying till the end. Yeah. His brother has a much better personality than Charlie. Like Zach is like fun and bubbly. Charlie just like had an accent and like was with that girl Hannah. Like he didn't do a lot.

1:23:20Yeah. Like Zach is funny, charismatic, nice, like playing the game, trying to like, I think he's been great.

1:23:29Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I think he's been great. Okay, Melanie and Sincere, finally the chickens have come home to roost for them. They haven't, by the way. But wait, not only did her mom and sister come there and mother confirmed, no, I wouldn't forgive this. Like that was crazy that she said that on the highway. The sister said everything that we would say to our own sisters, he's playing you, you deserve better, this will not end well. Begging her, begging her, seriously crying and begging her to leave him. And then we don't really hear from her mom. And then when her mom finally does speak, it's like pearls.

1:24:04Claudia Oshry:Like, just like mic drop. And just like in Spanish, like Abulita vibes. I can't explain it. Like, she just seemed like such like a wholesome. And her sister, too. It seems like Melanie comes from such a sweet, level-headed, nice family. And the fact that she is tangled in this web where I think at this point, we're we've gone overboard hard on sincere they are on love island they are allowed to talk to other people he is an idiot i mean you hear it when he speaks like not to be so harsh like i just don't think he's a smart guy no he's a very stupid person so so he he probably in the moment isn't thinking oh they are going to replay all of these conversations that i'm having with these girls he isn't thinking oh everybody that i know is going to watch everything that i am saying and see how insincere i truly am see how insincere i'm coming off no and because everything that he's saying is a lie like he's just saying like and he actually for all of his shitty analogies he described it kind of well and he was like i was trying on every relationship to like see if they fit so like in every relationship and every connection he's like going in like i'm all in you know what I mean yeah it's like so you start saying things as a person who's all in but you have a girlfriend like a girl right there so how are you able like why are you speaking like this to someone and not telling this person everything that they want to hear which is actually hurting them yeah to hear these things that they want to hear and they all turn out to be untrue and then to do that once and then twice after being reamed out the first time like the way that he's moving is just like so so phony and fake and and it's like but and i'm so glad his dad came and it was crazy that his dad came because his dad had said like he didn't want to come because he didn't want to but he had to also people were pointing out to me earlier in the season and i think when we met him sincere said that he was like raised by his mom and his grandma it's like where are the mom and the grandma probably really really mortified yeah disappointed yeah i was glad that that said when we when the season opened i think everybody forgets the fact that Sincere mentioned that he was a cheater.

1:26:20Right. There were red flags. I do think that he caught a girl in Melanie that now that I have met her family, seems like she's just sweet as sugar and was hit by a freight train and was love-bombed.

1:26:36Claudia Oshry:Imagine watching your daughter or your child or your sister go on the show and just get stomped on like that. And that person won't speak up for themselves. And then you finally get to them and you shake them and you're like, you're better, you don't need this. But she had nobody telling her that. That's what I thought was so interesting. Yeah, right. That conversation with Anaya, they were all of her best friends around her. Like, you go to your friends. No, so up until this point, like, I can actually understand like you're in this like bubble and you actually do like Sincere. You have fun with him.

1:27:07Claudia Oshry:So like, it's hard to like walk away from that. You'll be heartbroken. But like the people that you love and trust most have seen everything. Those you haven't seen and they're coming to you and they're shaking you. Like, let us, like she could literally leave with her mom and sister right now. she would be the hero yeah we'd all be rooting for her yeah and then the fact that she like goes back to the dressing rooms getting dressed like you know oh how's acting like she's one of the other couples seriously like we just had family day oh yeah they were tough and then she like goes to have this conversation with sincere same with that like not she's obviously not ending things with him and instead she says you have one more chance and if you do it to me again i will never speak to you again i'll be dead to you blah blah blah blah and even on his face in that moment he's not even like thank you for this one chance I will not let you down I know what he literally looks overwhelmed like well fuck like how how can I live up to how am I never going to fuck up again because he's a fuck up but also even a perfect person would fuck up in some way let someone down like there's just no way that they're going to be successful so sure I guess like give it three more days or five more days what's the difference but at least you would have your dignity if you end it now at least America will be on your side as opposed to like you go home you see him dming other girls and then you ended and it's like well nobody feels bad for you because you had your this was her moment and i think now i mean we were all we all would have been behind her i think like if you think about you know q score and like brand deals and all that like she would have been the hero finally melanie leaves sincere after be seeing you know reality from her family and said she turned on her sister her sister crying to her her mother crying to her yeah and she chose sincere out of the people closest to her in this world this person of three weeks who's been nothing but shit to her.

1:28:44Claudia Oshry:Goodbye. Yeah. Goodbye. You're right. I'm not rooting for you. No, even though she's under a love bomb spell. She is, but her family came to take her out of the spell. They had the magic potion. They did, and then an eye said to her what needed to be said, which was I was being a bad friend. Too little too late, and I'm glad Melanie said that. It was too little too late. I'm glad Melanie said, how can you say this to me now? All of a sudden I'm supposed to flip like that when you guys have been coaching me in the complete opposite direction. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Agreed. So I'm done with Melanie as well now.

1:29:17Claudia Oshry:The two of them can go fuck off together. And I don't care if they end, they break up tomorrow or the next day or when they come home. She missed her. She had a lot of opportunities to, like, save herself. She missed the last, like, boat that was coming. Yeah. And now it's done. So. Terny and Bryce are obviously winning this show. Yeah. So, of course, it's so fun to see what everyone says and keep up with the odds. I've been checking Polly Market to see who they think is going to win. And it's funny because they've had Trinity and Bryce as the highest percentage. And then after the Family Night episode, they've gone up even more.

1:29:52I think now seeing everything that we've seen, who do you think is going to win? I think it's Trinity and Bryce. I think that like bringing Bryce's mom and grandma coming, like it's such a green flag for the women in your life to show up. Like I actually thought like for Melanie, like two guys showing up for Sincere was very telling. She might not have seen it that way, but your mom comes. Like if your mom, if you're close to your mom, your mom's able, your mom comes and then your mom can really vouch for your character. and just hearing Bryce talk about how his grandma is his everything. She's so cute and funny and outspoken.

1:30:39Like that should have given all of the confidence in the world to Trinity that Bryce is a good guy.

1:30:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I understand why it went up. I definitely think that they're going to win. I think that Kata and Bryce, Kata and Bryce, Kata and Zach would be second for me. I think they're very real. I think that the distance is something that nobody wants to talk about like they live in different countries but I do think after this everyone's moving to LA maybe yeah that's fair I think even when Trinity and Bryce were talking about how oh we're long distance and he's like I don't see you being in Virginia I feel like you're going to be with me like they all do move to LA they do beyond the villa with Peacock and so I think we have to worry about that a little bit less so then both of them I think are good options I don't think Kenzie and Dylan have a chance I don't think Melanie and Sincere have a chance.

1:31:28Claudia Oshry:Oh, top four? Well, no. The finals will be top four, and then the winners will be. So this is interesting. I guess top four is Casey and T.T. I don't know. The public does not like Casey. His odds are not good. Really? Mm-hmm. I think for the public. But their relationship seems more real. I guess Kenzie. I think for the public, up until yesterday, it would have been Melanie and Sincere. They're done. I hope. But now it might be. Actually, the public kind of loves them. Maybe he hasn't crossed that invisible line. Maybe they have not. Well, this is why Polymarket is so fun. They have pop culture markets for people who are as obsessed as us.

1:32:04Claudia Oshry:You can see what percentage of people are feeling what and really get a little bit of a teaser and a preview and insight into who will win. Now, of course, they have Bryce and Trinity as the majority for the odds of who will win. And after Family Night, that just went up. But keeping up with Polymarket is so much fun as you are a pop culture obsessed person like us. So Polymarket is now available in the U.S. App Store. You can trade on culture, entertainment and more all in one place. Download the app and use code toast to get$50 to trade when you make a qualifying$20 deposit. Also, if you want to hear us dig into these sorts of markets even more, check out Dear Media and Polymarket's podcast.

1:32:49Claudia Oshry:What Are the Odds? Hosted by me, Claude, and a few other familiar faces, new episodes drop every Friday, which is so fun. So, yeah, following the Polymarket, following what the streets are saying, the odds via Polymarket is a great way, a great companion to Love Island, especially as we get down to the ringer here. Yeah, it's fun. It is. It's absolutely fun. Well, that's your Love Island recap. It is Friday. There is more tonight. Oh, yeah, tonight, oh, they have their dinner, and we're going to find out the final four tonight. I'm exhausted. We're so close to being done. I know, but can't you just release them earlier than 8.30?

1:33:26It monopolizes my whole night. If it just starts at 7.30, what a game changer that would be. Then even the longest episode's done at 9.00. I don't feel like my night's stolen from me. 8.30 to sometimes 10.30, that's a stolen night.

1:33:41Claudia Oshry:Yeah, we do get to Maja Little. That's like Taylor Swift on July 4th. We did get to Maja Little before Lausa last night. By the way, I'm pretty good at Mahjong. You are good. No, I know. I just feel like the people need to know that. Yeah. I'm pretty good at Mahjong. No, you're like a... Especially considering that I really don't play that much. I'm pretty good. I feel like you play... I play sometimes. A good amount. I don't feel like I play much more than you. You don't think so? No. I think that in this house, no. But I don't play at all at home. You don't play with Claudia and the girls? Maybe one night.

1:34:11But no, I'm not a daytime player.

1:34:13Claudia Oshry:Got it, got it. That would be fun. Yeah. I would love to be. We should Mahj today for Claudia's birthday. She'll love that. That'll make her feel better. Yeah, hopefully. We'll maj bedside. Bedside maj. Well, thank you so much for joining us for a little impromptu wunge and swunge on the pod. It was fantastic. I hope that everybody has a wonderful weekend. Yes, I hope you do as well. I wish everybody a Shabbat Shalom. Yes, me as well. I hope that you cook something great tonight. What are you making? What's your menu? I'm making brisket. I'm making skirt steak. Maybe some veggies. Some rice. A hearty feast for my sweet wife.

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1:35:40Claudia Oshry:that's good thank you so much for listening to The Toast We love you dearly and we will see you on Monday. Love ya. Bye.