Much Ado About Craig with Craig Conover: Wednesday, June 25th, 2025

25:42Well, someone should go buy it because it's really beautiful. I know. I almost was like, do I just sell? No, I was like, I'm not going to do that. That would be like insane. It's like us talking about it. It's like, oh, well, you have a platform. Sell it. But imagine like profiting off of it. Like imagining page six, like Craig Oliver is selling his engagement ring. Like, no, no optics are not good. No, it was. So that was I mean, look, these life experiences like they happen. And the reason that I go around and speak now is because the more and more transparent I am and open and like about things, the more I realized that like everyone's trauma is different, but we really are just doing this for the first time.

26:23Like everyone's trying to figure this stuff out. Like I work with a lot of veterans and para athletes. And like, I remember I got to co-host the Paralympics in Paris, which was cool. I came back from that. And I was like, my sensitivity to people complaining about stuff was like non-existent. Yeah. Like if like I was around, there was no one I was around that had like all four limbs working correctly for a long time. and they were lived way stronger and better like lives. And did that change you like in a permanent way? Like, do you still feel like that? Yeah, I did like third season. I got to help.

26:57I went down to Port-au-Prince like in Haiti and like supported an orphanage that my friends had started. I think everyone should have to go to a third world country at some point in their life because you come back from that and that stays with you forever. Yeah. And I think you should just like work with charities or donate your time a little bit. But even if you have a small business, it's good for that, too. Because you can do like a percentage of proceeds to charity. But anyway, that's how I try to keep like touch grass. Well, it's nice to see you doing well. I agree. Like six months is definitely like a transformative amount of time.

27:32Are you single at the moment? I am. Oh, okay. I was seeing a really, really nice girl. She was, you know, she will be someone's perfect person. I just wasn't ready to date. But I didn't know that. Like there's no guidebook for this. I mean, yeah. Chat GBT. You could talk to us. Did chat try and tell you it was too soon? No, I didn't ask. But I, it was, it was, it was, she's just a wonderful person, but I really was like, oh, I have some like healing to do. You know, I have, you know, I have to go find myself again. Do people like bang down your door to try and get a date with you? I've had people DM me, like influencers DM me who don't even have that, like a friendship.

28:15We just follow each other. And they're like, I really think I would be a match for Craig. Like, can you please? Actually, there's one girl I should give you. She literally asked me the week after. So I was like, I would never reach out to him. But now thinking about it, I'm just going to give you her handle. Do you? And I'm getting that. It's like three degrees removed from Craig. Do you get like inundated? Well, it's funny because when Andy asked if I was dating, I was just like, I don't ever talked to more than one person at a time it was my way of saying like I'm not just like out there dating a whole bunch of people um and then the tabloids like ran from that and they like posted this girl's picture and names and I was like to this day I've never even said her name just trying to like she didn't sign up for that um yeah protect her privacy but anyway I think that stalled it because people assume that I'm still with someone but I think it started to come out that I was single again.

29:06And so you definitely see like a roller coaster with like the demographic. Like I'll go from like, you know, like moms and stuff. And then all of a sudden you'll start to see like the pictures on, and your DM start to change a little bit. And you're like, what happened recently in the news that all of these people are messaging me? Would you go out with someone who messaged you? I think everything's just situational. You know, I, yeah, I don't have any hard rules. I don't have any hard lines or rules. Natalie Joy Viall here yesterday, Nick Viall's wife. Yeah, I met them before. And she DM'd him.

29:41Oh, really? She responded to one of his photos. It was like a shirtless pic outside Whole Foods. And she wrote, she told us she wrote, you're unreal. And so at that time she was working like in surgical tech. So like she wasn't an influencer. She probably didn't have a check mark. And like he saw her DM and they started talking and look at them now. I mean, I'm laughing because what I've tried so far hasn't worked. How do you usually meet people? um i was always a bar person like i love to meet people out or through mutual friends i my like old like my best friend one of my best friends cory that i used to live with that was on winter house and summer house and stuff he was cory and sam yeah that was yeah what the was that i have my opinions on that that one day we will talk about um okay but cory was really good at going up to girls and introducing himself and then i would always come in second like i'm actually pretty shy when it comes to like just talking to someone blindly right so i loved meeting people at the bar through mutual friends and then we would just start to hang out more and more and then eventually like we would get so close that we would kiss and then eventually it'd be like hey i'm really only hanging out with you like it was never i've never this is a this is a you'll have to wait and watch next season but like I've never just asked someone to go on a dinner date that I hadn't like kissed before got it to me that's very intimate to go have dinner with someone in a restaurant and I know that's an unpopular opinion but I'd be like you know instantly if you like someone or not yeah and like and at first date when you just when you've not like hung out with them before or hooked up before it's really like an interview so it's like more of a process yeah it's like I'd rather go to the bar or do an activity a big fan of activity dates okay like go do an activity so there's no pressure on that person the whole time she's not like is he going to try to kiss me at the end of this do I like I just that all sounds like a nightmare to me so I'd rather just meet in person and start to become friends and see what happens but then once I think it's a setup what about a setup with the first a formal first date I just think my fear of rejection is way too high like my like it's so stark it's like you didn't pass the date yeah Yeah, like, and so, like, if I know that you like me, like, I will spoil the heck out of you.

31:56Right. And, like, we will go on all the dates you want. But I'm, I just, I think it goes back to, like, those high school days where you get friend zoned for the first time. Yeah. And the girl, like, we would get on instant messenger, like, AIM, which they don't even have anymore. And she would just tell you about the, you know, all the bad things about the guy she was talking to. Yeah. And then you think it's going to be you, and it's just never you. Damn. And you're just like. some trauma there to unpack. Yeah. Again, which is why I'm probably on reality TV for 12 years. Right. So I'm guessing like in this next season, we'll see you in that era of like meeting people.

32:32Yeah. I mean, I just, it's going to be where you get to see like the next chapter of my life and trying to figure it out as a, you know, a 37 year old that isn't objectively when you're like, not the 37 year old, you're like, you have your whole life in front of you. But as the 37-year-old, I think it's like, all right, but like, what are we doing here? But then you just, I think you just got to be kind to yourself and patient and just be like, look, it's no big deal. Like, you've got your health. You're very fortunate. You're a man. Yeah. Yes. It's better. Yes. Better. I know that it will all work out one day, but I can't visualize it yet.

33:14Got it. But you still like, what, like you're actually Austin coined this term for me on the last season of Southern Charm. and I was like shocked by how much it resonated. I can't wait for this. He said that now he's dating with intention. Oh, good. Because he used to just date, make everyone feel like they were the love of his life, but he had no plans of doing anything with them. But now he dates with intention. So like you are still dating with that intention or like now you're like, I want to have fun. Well, I think - Not that intention can't be fun. I think I realized that it's not fair to anyone else for me to seriously date them right now.

33:45Right now. Like I'm going to go to like September, October, November, I'll be in London. Like I was just renting an apartment. I was like, I just want to go live somewhere else for a little bit. Oh, wow. And just do these life experiences that I might not have a chance to do again. But I just don't think you can make a plan. I think one of the messages I receive most is like it'll happen when you least expect it. And like I just kind of have to put my hope into that. I think it's true, but it's an annoying thing to hear. It is. People used to always tell me that. And I'm like, can you shut up?

34:19Like, I'll never not be expecting it. I'll never not be wanting it. So it's like never going to, like, I have to pretend like I don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, okay, cool. I'm completely fine being alone now. Sure, sure. Fine. So it's, you know, I'm excited to share more of my life with everyone. And it's just, it's a chapter that I didn't ever think I'd be experiencing or in. But it's like, okay, it's a fun new chapter. You know, everything happens for a reason. And I think one of my biggest bummers during the last six months was, you know, through speaking through. I mean, I spoke every weekend and I like I just will never lose my positive message of like over the last three years, I was able to evolve into a person I only dreamt of being like, you know, my ex helped me unlock potential in myself that I would have never reached before.

35:13and you know I hate when people are like well everyone has like a purpose in your life and I'm like it's hard for me to understand why like things have to end sometimes but like now I've accepted that but like for three years it was great and it was a fun chapter and um you just have to hope or you have to believe that like each new chapter is going to be just as fun and it's funny because when I speak to people it used to be about my breakup and Naomi I always was like no one is ever not better off after a breakup like ever there's no one that you know that's like you know jamie's never been the sense jamie's never been the same since bill left her like you always find your person so now it's just taking my advice and being like yeah you're gonna be like everything's gonna be fine everything is gonna be fine big things for craig on the horizon and i just want to ask about southern charm how's the gang has every i mean they've all really rallied around you the the bravo wars have been really crazy um how's my girl madison she's very pregnant i love her and she's doing so well is she on the next season is she filming like with you guys well you gotta wait and see that stuff she better i know she's super pregnant i never want to push a pregnant mama but like girl we need you madison is uh is a star and always will be yeah yeah i love and how's your relationship with the boys that was really like the pivotal arc of the season, like you and Austin, you and Shep, are the boys better than ever?

36:35You would think. Well, these are the ones that you just got to wait and watch and see. I know. What about you cast members? I know you can't tell me anything. I can't tell you any of this. Okay, can you tell me who's not on the show? No. But you can have me back in a couple. What about Molly and Shep? I can't tell you. Give me something. I love them. Well, that, yeah, nothing that you guys don't know. So nothing. Nothing. So there's nothing. Nothing except that season 11 will be here one day and you guys will love it. Well, if Southern Charm has no fans, I am dead. It is my favorite show. I watch a lot of TV for work to recap.

37:14It is one of the few shows that I watch for pleasure. Oh, cool. Even if no one wants a Southern Charm recap for me, I'm watching and I will be talking about it. I don't know why. It's my comfort show. I love the vibes. I love the cast. Like it's, and even I used to be really hard on Miss Patricia and I've, I've so come to, um, appreciate her. And maybe that's just like me getting wiser in my old age, just like realizing that she's such a queen, that Napoleon dinner that she had. I literally think about it once a week when I'm like, what do I want for dinner? I want Patricia's Napoleon dinner. She's, uh, she's doing so well.

37:47I mean, she's, I don't, I don't want to give her age away, but she looks fantastic and she's just, she's kicking along with the, you know, with the best of them. So she's doing really well. And I think Charleston is a really good, uh, secret cast member or not secret, but like, I think people love watching Southern charm because they get to see so much of Charleston. Yeah. I've never been there. Oh yeah. I hope I, I will come one day. I would love to go and go up. Like if there's Southern charm, like tour bus where you could like sit on the double decker, like that's where I'll be. We do it in golf carts.

38:20Fun. Yeah. We do it in golf carts. One time, um, uh, Paulina was visiting. and Gretzky. They're right here in Jupiter. And Dustin had a tournament out at Kiowa and we were like golf carting around and we went to Miss Patricia's and like we were looking over the wall to like see the house and then we were like wait why are we looking over the wall? Can you ring the doorbell? Yeah we rang the doorbell and went in and Patricia's like would y 'all like to do a caviar tasting? And Paulina's like a fan of the show too. And she was like this is the greatest thing ever. And so we did a caviar tasting with Miss Pat just randomly in the middle of the day.

38:52Oh my god I love that. No now I need to plan a trip to Charleston. I feel like it'd be really family friendly. I'll come see you'll give me like the tour. It is. It's an easy trip too. It's like two to three days. It's wonderful food, wonderful drinks. We'll come see the store. Yeah. We've got two stores now. How's business? It's good. It's booming. Yeah. We launched a clothing line with Belk, which has done really well. Oh, that's so exciting. I love your pillows. Thank you. You gave us Hanukkah pillows that we literally used like all year long. And then after Hanukkah this year, I like put them away for now.

39:22But I put your pillows in my studio. You guys had on my like ferns, like the green ones forever. Yep, forever. And we still like have them and I have them in my house. I'm going to send, we'll send, we love sending you guys boxes of stuff. But yeah, we've got Chris, let's see what's happening. We've got a bunch of new collections coming out this year. Christmas in July is always really big for us. We do like, we turn the store and make it like a wintry wonderland in July. You should do a collab with Hallmark. I would love that. I would love to be on a Hallmark movie. You should be in a Hallmark movie.

39:54Yeah, that's a goal. I did get to do a scripted – I did a scripted show just recently. And then I'm in a movie called Tuesday's Flu that's coming out soon, which was really fun. But, yeah, we've got a store in Nashville and 12 South, two stores in Charleston. You can find everything online, too. And then the Spritz collab is just killing it. The Spritz collab. It's so fun. I texted the team today. Coach Craig 20 is active again for the day. I said it feels like a Craig 20 sort of day. We, um. 20 % off at SpritzSociety.com using code Craig 20. Yeah. When Zach was there last, I told him it's really fun to see our group of friends randomly just taking them from my fridge and drinking them.

40:36Yeah. Like, it's not, like, I'm used to, you know, people, like, it being, like, like, anyway, Spritz has never had to be forced. Yeah, like, especially on reality shows, it's like, try my new drink. Yeah, and, like, I'll just, like, look over and, like, someone's drinking it. And I'm like, this is awesome. And like girls, boys, like, and that's what it was. It was supposed to be like a summery drink because I always loved twisted teas. There's just a lot of sugar in them. And I was like, I would love like a lemon iced tea beverage. Yeah. So it's been going really well. And it's just, it's a happy thing.

41:07Like when we do the meet and greets at the store, everyone's drinking spritz and I'm signing pillows and just trying to spread, you know, happiness and positivity. Why not? Same with spritz. It's a lovely family owned brand. And we love working with friends. We love paying people and those who work with us and for us. And so I'm so glad that we get to do it together. I know. I'm having an employee party on Monday for Sewing Down South. And I'm really excited. We're going to do like a hibachi pool party and then maybe go bowling because we have to fix the air conditioner in the store. Okay. Good luck with that.

41:42Yeah, I know. That's not my ally. That's Jerry's. Jerry will do that. I get to take the employees out while he fixes the air conditioning. Sums up our relationship. That's really funny. Okay, well, we are going to do the Fast Five probably quickly because everything else is just more interesting than the Fast Five. We are the news. So now without further ado-da-do-da-do, it is time for the Fast Five stories that you-da-do need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Smart Mouth. Smart Mouth is the only mouthwash scientifically proven to eliminate and prevent bad breath for 24 hours with just two rinses a day.

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46:58So Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez have arrived in Venice, Italy, where they are expected to exchange vows this weekend. Their guests are starting to arrive and it's all going down. So their invitation has been leaked to TMZ, not with any like serious details, but about their gift preferences. It says, we are excited for you to join us. We have one early request. Please no gifts. Instead, we're making contributions in your honor and with gratitude to you for making the journey to celebrate us in Venice. So they will be donating to charity. In lieu of gifts, we will donate to charity. Yeah, I've never seen that one before.

47:34But I do like the destination wedding no gifts policy. Yeah. I think it's a given. I mean, I like – sorry, I'm going to sneeze. I feel a sneezy too. Yeah, but I think if you have to – like one of my friends just got married in the Bahamas. And they were like, guys, you're spending like thousands of dollars to come to our wedding. That's all we want. Like, you don't have to get us a gift. And they didn't even have like a registry. That's nice. And that makes sense. And I, in thinking about it, like, yeah, that, and what do you even get? Jeff Bezos said he can't get himself. Well, that's, I just thought it was funny that he's like, you know what?

48:10We're going to give gifts at our own wedding. Yeah. I saw that they had like a phone party on his yacht as a welcome party. And I was like, I'm so fascinated with yachts. Yeah. Because what a lot of people don't realize is the things on board are just so much more than you can ever imagine. Like take the nicest luxury hotel in the world and just times that by 10. Like he has the ability to have a foam party on his yacht. Right. Would you go on Below Deck as a guest? Yeah, I think we've pitched doing a trip with Patricia, like a crossover on Below Deck so many times. And what do they say to that?

48:48The perfect idea. How do they decline you? They act excited and then we just never hear from it. I feel like they're always looking for new shows and ways to crossover. Yeah. And that's a no-brainer. I think there's probably – I know that there's difference of opinions on crossovers and there always will be. I'm a huge proponent and fan of them. I used to love when shows that I watched would crossover, even scripted shows. I'm like this is so cool. Suite Life on Deck with Hannah Montana. Yeah, it's just so cool. A cultural shift. I mean the NCISs used to do it a lot. I'm just saying. A cultural shift.

49:24Even Winter House was like a great idea. And to be fair, like the first season of Winter House, it was only a six episode order. We could have, if we had 15 episodes, it would have been one of the best shows ever made. Because you had these like people that, I don't want to say all stars, but you had these people coming together. And we just, all we know how to do is like. Make good TV. Confirmed good reality TV people. You don't need to keep hiring like new untested people. Like use the people that you have. Yeah, I think, I think, I don't think that they'll lose track or I don't think they'll lose control of like what our network really is.

50:05If we have like one or two crossover things every once in a while. But I think they're doing it with like Love or Love Hotel. Love Hotel. And Traders. Traders has been a phenomenal success. Yes. It's the number one watch show. It was Special Forces. Now it's Traders. ultimate girls trip is with all like the boys trip would be good i think so too i i don't watch ultimate like i don't watch all that stuff but i like i am here for it and i think it's a good idea objectively would you do special forces i feel like i would there was special forces i don't know if i can yeah i guess i can say this i was i was going to um i've been training for it and um can i can i say that i think so um i'm training for special no no i was but it's during there was a conflict so I wasn't able to do it um and to the girl that I was seeing's credit I originally said no and she was like why and I was like because I'm scared and she was like that is the best reason ever to do it yeah and I was like I've never thought of something that way she was like wait you're lucky enough that you were asked to do something that makes you nervous and that you're scared of say yes and um that's all it took and so I started training a couple months ago because I was like, it's either going to suck now or it's going to suck then.

51:17And I wanted to bring, I'm on the board of Hope for the Warriors. So I wanted to bring awareness to our organization, which we give 92 cents to every dollar to the cause, which is a, it's a really wonderful thing. Reach out to me if you ever want to come to our events. So I was going to go do it. And if anything, it got me in shape and like was a great distraction from everything. So hopefully one day I'll be able to, there was just a conflict this year. Okay. Yeah. I think you'd be great for it. Even like in terms of it, just like changing you and like being a new experience. Tyler C was on this show last week.

51:47He did special. What did he say? He said it was the hardest thing ever. And like that he got so much out of it. And then Natalie's husband, Nick did special forces last season with Tyler and they like became good friends. So I, I, there's just something that feels right about it. And maybe, I don't know, maybe they'll catch Rachel Kirkconnell. That was a funny, that was a fun time. It was, but we were, we had met with, So her and her ex and me and Paige met. Like we were together at a wedding last summer. You told us how much would happen to you. That's why you guys couldn't go out. I don't think it would be very appropriate.

52:22Yeah. But she's a wonderful human and seems to be doing well. Yeah. It's just you guys broke up around similar times with a similar story. Just the genders were flipped. Right. And like what you were saying you were looking for and what she was saying she was looking for. It's like, well, you found, we found you guys. So, of course, everyone naturally like wants to put you together. But I understand. No, but. It's not that easy. I'm down to do special forces. I think it would be, I mean, why not challenge yourself, you know? And you can't even pay to do that stuff. Like all those challenges. And Tyler said like it was not Hollywood, like fake, like just a set.

52:56Like it was so real. Like you were so in it. Yeah. It's run by like all guys that have done it and stuff. Guys and gals. I mean, that's like, well, I'm sure we'll get to them, but. That's like Sandoval. Yeah. We're going to talk about Sandoval today. Would you do a show like a perfect match, like a romantic alumni show? well I don't want to it's not my nature to do a dating show because I really think that if you were to put me in a room with people I would know instantly who I liked yeah like instantly as in like 10 seconds yeah um and I like having to break reject or break up with people it sounds like absolute hell that's my nightmare like I have to hurt people's feelings over and over and over like that is my nightmare I'd probably just leave yeah not for you no but I think competition or I mean I'm really open for there's so many good opportunities for reality stars I'm just and like I think I think the I think the doors are opening where you can start to see the value in being like if you've watched someone for over five years you'll watch them do anything yeah like you are just a fan of them as a person and you want to see them in you want to see them more yeah that's how I feel that's how I feel so as a fan you guys got to come on the show oh my god I would love to come on the show except like no I would be so like the thing is some things it's like I just want to enjoy it like I don't want to see how this I don't want like insider access like I just want and it's nice to be able to like ask you a question if like something's been like on my mind like why didn't so and so do this but like I just like to be a fan I don't need the magic ruined you uh it's funny because like i like will always feel mic'd up because like it's just part of our life it's like we always have a mic on us that's funny and it's funny like if like friends come to the thing they're like oh you're not like mic'd right now i'm like i'm always mic'd up like like ever at all times i have a microphone on me and they're like wait wait but there's no cameras around i was like it doesn't matter i always have a microphone really like when they're just like in another room when you're filming you're always mic'd damn Good to know.

54:58Yeah. Our next story is a little Bezos wedding adjacent news because Orlando Bloom, we reported two weeks ago, I think that Orlando Bloom and Katy Perry are splitting up and like, I didn't believe it when they said it, but it's, I don't know. Now it's like taking on more. How long have they been together? Like, it's like 2017 and they're. I thought you were going to say 20 years. Oh, no, no, no. No, like almost eight years, I guess. It's still a long time. A long time. And they have a child together, a daughter. And now they're saying that they broke up and that he's attending the wedding solo.

55:30Even though I feel like if only one of them was going to the wedding, it'd be Katie because she literally went to space with Lauren and Jeff. Right? Like I feel like she's the connect and he should stay home. I feel like that would drive her crazy. She's like, I introduced you to these people. Right. And now you're over there partying because she's on tour, which I didn't even – I haven't heard Katy Perry's name other than the space thing in a really long time. but I was a huge teenage dream fan. Yeah. And I just, I was always, I thought she was cool. And then Orlando blooms in so many movies, but I just think right of Pirates of the Caribbean.

56:06I was like, if they could just go back to the black pearl, I would be happy. Yeah. Well, I guess they really are splitting. I think he was also seen like visiting her with the daughter in Australia this week on her tour, which doesn't mean that they're not splitting. Cause like, Like he was probably just like helping co-parent. I just love the gossip circles like there. So like you don't have to worry about like strangers photos and videos. But like is Oprah going to text Katie and be like, yo, like your boy's here like talking to like. Yeah, but like whoever he's talking to is another like A-lister.

56:40Yeah. And I mean celebrities, they're just like us, you know, the gossip circles. I hope we get like content from this wedding. So far she's like given a lot. Her bachelorette party was like very Kardashian filled. and we got a lot of photos from it. And she kind of does the most, and as she should as Jeff Bezos' fiance, she is not being shy about being that person. I should contact them and be like, would you like to make a reality show? Yeah, they would be great. She would be great. She'd be like, we do not need your help, but thank you. Yeah, no, we own Amazon Prime. Thanks. Would you like to put a show on our network that we own?

57:17Cool, thanks, sweet. So I think the wedding's this weekend, And I think it's going to be like really star studded, of course. And I just hope that we get access. What's the age difference? She's pretty age appropriate. I think he's in his 60s and she's in her 50s. Oh, wow. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah. No, they're like super in love. He's 61 and she's 55. Oh, cool. And they've like been together like a very kind of traditional courtship. Yeah. Two years till engagement. I think like a year engaged and now a big fancy wedding. Cool. They're just like us. Yeah. Italy would be an amazing place to get married.

57:50I know the tourists were having, not the tourists. I know the town was having issues with the influx of tourists because of the wedding. Yeah. And they were being like mean to Jeff and Lauren, which is like such low-hanging fruit. Like your footprint, like I'm sure they're doing their best to travel with as light of a footprint as possible. But like you have 200 or however many people of like some of the wealthiest people in the world coming to this wedding. Yeah. It just is what it is. It's a week. Just deal with it. And also the charities that they are donating to in lieu of gifts are like Venetian charities to protect Venice's future.

58:27It's out of jealousy. I'll always say that. Like most, 95 % of hatred in the world is based off of jealousy in some form. For sure. And like, you're not, what are you mad about? They're bringing a ton. That town's probably going to make so much money this week. And I'm sure everyone's nice. But the charities, like when Bezos donates to a charity, like it's not like when we donate to a charity. He's basically changing the trajectory of this entire charity. So I think people should just deal with it. But that's like in Charleston. People are like, we're closed. Like we have too many people. And I'm like, people own businesses here.

59:04And we're not going to gatekeep Charleston. Like it is what it is. Do you guys hear from like higher ups at Charleston? I have a really great connection now with this group called Explore Charleston, which basically runs, you know, the airport and tourism and stuff. And I work with them a lot and they're great. And they like the show. Yeah. Well, I mean, it took they they like what we are now doing in the community. Like, you know, Austin and I own a couple of businesses in town and we are very, you know, some of us are really charitable and it's just it's a good it's, you know, it It took Charleston a while to admit that tourism had been affected by the show.

59:44Like they would never say that people came because of the show. But they did. The city came to my store opening and cut the ribbon with me and was like, thanks for everything. So now it's very, the synergy is good now. Oh, I love that. And it's funny because restaurants that didn't used to let us film, there are still some because they just don't need like. But some are like, hey, can you come film with us? And like you just end up filming in places that you never thought would say yes, which has been kind of fun. That is fun. That's always nice. Our next story, Meghan Markle's As Ever brand is releasing a rosé.

1:00:19So this is kind of major news for As Ever, Meghan Markle's lifestyle and wears brand. As Ever, she is releasing a rosé. as ever announced the release of its first alcoholic offering. A rose wine described as having soft notes of stone fruit, gentle minerality, and a lasting finish. The brand called it a bespoke blend, arriving just in time for summer entertaining. So the wine will officially go on sale on July 1st. I wonder if she asked Kyle Cook for permission. Well, he has to ask James for permission to DJ first. True. But do you know what a stone fruit is? No. Okay, I just learned this. It's any fruit with a pit.

1:01:02So like a peach, a plum. Okay, that's dramatic. That's what a stone fruit is. That's dramatic. I know. I was like, what the heck is a stone fruit when I've gotten more into wine? I do like the idea of like, I like when people excavate like old language. Like there's a term for a fruit with a pit and like, great, use it. Teach us something new. I ate a lot of stone fruits over the last week because the peach truck sent me 140 peaches. They meant to send me 70 and they accidentally sent it twice. And so I made a peach cobbler. I've had more peaches this week than I ever had in my life, my whole life combined.

1:01:35Not that I, because I didn't, I never ate a lot of peaches because I got them from the store. But a good peach is great. A good peach. Oh my gosh. I'm in my stone fruit era. You're going to have a hard time finding it. Stone fruit era. It's a good era to be in. Yeah. I like that. So Meghan Markle, for me, unfortunately, her character on Suits started to drive me nuts. Oh, you can't separate her from Rachel. I know. Yes. I know that she's not Rachel, but man, sometimes she does things that are Rachel-esque and it pisses me off. And I'm like, sometimes you're not that far away from Rachel, Megan.

1:02:09Wow. Do you feel, I didn't even think, do you feel in competition with Megan? She's cramping on your lifestyle. I think, so I'm very, I truly believe that the more collaborative you are, the higher you will go. Because even, like, I operate in a way that, like, even though we are so far apart, one day I might be in the same room as Megan. And the last thing I want is to be like, burn a bridge with her for no reason. Like burning bridges with people is not the way to the top. Well, you guys are good here. Like, just stay. Like, you know, like, the thing is, like, if I were in a room with Meghan Markle, like, I would just run.

1:02:44Like, I don't need, I like doing this. Like, I don't need, I don't need to be on your show. Well, everyone keeps messaging me about when they saw me, like, doing my honey harvest last week with my bees. They're like, you and Meghan, you and Meghan. I just want to say she's kind of copying you. And I think that's a form of flattery, but I was just saying because she's very lifestyle, content-oriented. I think we're both racing to be the next Martha Stewart, probably. I think that you have a bit more credibility at this point. She's royalty technically, right? I know, but that's like an insult to her.

1:03:19Oh, it is. Oh, I would run with royalty. Oh, my God. I would wear my crown everywhere I went. You could not pull me out of that castle. No. No, like at all. No, I can't. I think I would be a nice king. I would take care of everyone. But I would wear all the jewelry all the time. And especially if I were like a fringe member, like married to a prince. And so I'm just like getting all the perks, the titles, the this. And yeah, you have to go, you know, open up a gymnasium sometimes. Not the funnest. I watch too many Hallmark movies. They really glorify marrying into a royal family secretively. But did you watch The Crown?

1:03:54Yeah. So good. Yeah. Like and I just love her Queen Lizzie who's the pretty princess that I mean they're all pretty but She's like carries herself really well or the Dutch is a Penelope. No, is she alive now? Yeah, Kate I'm just gonna get myself in trouble. There's someone I'm picturing, and she's always got her, like, boys with her. Princess Kate Middleton. It is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, she seems like she does a good job. Yeah, she loves it. She's, like, the pride and joy of the country. Yeah. They love her. I'm cracking up. I, like, I don't keep up with the royal news that much. That's good. I do remember when the last wedding happened and everyone, like, took off work to watch it.

1:04:32I was a little confused. Meghan and Harry's or William and Kate. It might have been William and Kate where, like, the whole world seemed like it shut down. Yeah. That was before I was really into the Royals, so I missed out. Okay. Harry and Kate are stateside, right? Harry and Meghan. Harry and Meghan, sorry. And yes, they are stateside after a big kerfuffle. I guess you could say they're now stateside. Yeah, they made it all the way to South Park, which is a tough one. Right. Yeah. Is that how you know them from South Park? Oh, Harry and Meghan from South Park. Yeah. That's pretty funny. You guys are, you're from South Park.

1:05:03I know you. That's really good. Well, she's coming out with a rosé, which I think is like exciting for the As Ever brand that it continues to expand. Are you a rosé person? I do enjoy a rosé. I'm more of a white wine. That's like my go-to. But then I would go rosé and I don't like red wine. I've never gotten into it. Yeah. But like I like rosé, like, you know, a little. Do a chilled red, like a Spanish red. Baby steps into it. Is that what I should, like, is that how you get into it? Because it's just, it tastes like to me like Passover. That's when we used to drink it. And I'm just like, I don't know.

1:05:35I can't get into it. A lot of drunk kids just running around. Yeah, you're like, you know, you like dip in the wine for like the 10 plagues. Yeah. And so you like just lick it from your finger. And so like that's what wine is. Yeah, that makes sense. I would start with a white Pinot Noir, which is really good. But it's white? Yes, it's white. But I have no problem with white. I know. But I have to get accustomed to Noir. It's basically like a red grape that they make do into a white wine process. Okay. It's really good. And then just try like a chilled red wine. Who knows? Who cares? Drink whatever you want.

1:06:05Life's too short. No, it would be nice because then sometimes, you know, a certain meal goes with a certain beverage. I just don't like hot beverages. You don't? No. You don't like a tea? A hot tea? Tea is the only thing because I drink a lot of throat coat. Yeah. I mean like an iced tea, but not a hot tea. No, I will drink hot tea because it's the only thing that keeps my voice put together. And I get to use honey with it. I basically use excuses. Like I'm a big condiments guy. So like I order shrimp cocktail for the cocktail sauce. Got it. I order wings for like the blue cheese or ranch. So what do you use honey with in addition to like regular honey things?

1:06:42I haven't figured it out. Got it. I eat it a lot. Just, you know, just put a little spoon in there. Do you ever have apples with honey? I don't. That's like something that we eat like on Rosh Hashanah in Judaism, like for a sweet new year. I got to practice. But they're so, not even like outside of, like I eat them year round. I'm just not a big biscuits guy. But the other day we were somewhere and the mom made biscuits and we put my honey on them. And it was really good. And or like, you know, goat cheese on a cracker. I've got an ice cream maker. I might use in that. Oh, nice. Who knows? I'm really excited for your honey.

1:07:14Like, I really hope that you follow up. I will. I will. And it really, I think you, it like tastes good. It was such a cool process. Like we. Do you ever feel like you could do this? Like what Megan's doing? Like she has, you know, a garden. I would love to like the wine. so like the wine is just it's a little expensive and we're on like the east coast so it's i just feel removed but a a pipe dream of mine would be to have a vineyard one day i think that would be awesome but would you also sell honey like would you ever want to bottle your honey and sell it i would but like we did get way more honey from my one hive than i ever thought the demand is there I just don't want to have to white label someone else's honey Why is it someone else's?

1:07:59Because I can't Oh because it's not coming from your backyard Yeah like I'd have to buy like a little plot of land And like start doing It just seems like more of a venture than like gifting it I understand Like I started to sew Like when I was sewing Like hand making gifts is really Like I just went on this like So we've been filming outside of our show My journey to learn different crafts around the country So you can watch it on YouTube And I learned to quilt in Missouri and Hamilton, Missouri from Missouri Star. It's this like quilting capital of the world. So I just made like Madison's baby blanket.

1:08:31Like I made her a baby quilt and she like cried, which was kind of my goal. I was like, if she doesn't cry, then I have the wrong idea. Seriously throw it in the garbage. Yeah. And she'll have that for like ever. And I'm like, I'm all about handmade gifts now. So that's really nice. Anyway, or I told you my ADD will take us. Yeah, no, but that's me too. I'm so chatty and we have so much to talk about. Like, sorry, like it is what it is. So anyways, As Ever is coming out with a rosé. Check it out at asever.com. Today's episode of The Toast is also brought to you by Cakes. Cakes is a T-O-B, a toaster-owned business founded by sisters Taylor and Casey in 2022.

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1:13:19That's joinblvd.com slash toast. Book a demo and get 10 % off your first year subscription. That's joinblvd.com slash toast. Check out Boulevard. Thank you to our sponsors. Next story. Taylor Swift performs live for the first time since reclaiming her master's at a Nashville gift hosted by Travis Kelsey. So I just saw like Taylor Swift. We were saying she's in Nashville for tight end university, which is like a program for tight ends in the NFL. Like Travis hosted with George Kittle and I think Greg's part of that. Greg Olson. Yes. Oh, okay. Keep going. Sorry. No. So she's been in Nashville supporting him, like going to the events.

1:14:01And then she got up and performed last night, like with her guitar and acoustic set. She sang Shake It Off. This literally, the video and the pictures look like something that was taken from when she was a teenager. Like we never see her in like this sort of setting. Oh, cool. Yeah, that's like album one and two. Like our song. Debut. Yeah. Yeah. She sang with Kane Brown also. Oh, that's cool. And just like really supporting her man. All those guys were just in Charleston at a golf tournament and Travis flew in. And so we were like playing golf next to, like he was like on the hole next to me.

1:14:34And I was like, oh, that's him. What was the tournament? Is it part of the PGA? It was for Greg Olson's. It's when children are born with an undeveloped heart. Oh, and that's his charity. Yeah. And so because they do tight end university together, Travis flew out to support him. Oh, that's so nice. And, you know, everyone was like, I wonder if Taylor's in Kiowa somewhere. Probably. Probably. I mean, Charleston's great. You guys are the only ones that have never been there. No, I know. No, now it's like I rarely get the itch to like go somewhere. I don't get like wanderlust easily, but I've got to go to Charleston.

1:15:04And what would you say the best time of year is fall? Spring or fall. Spring or fall. Just not July or August. It's too hot for everyone. But yeah, to see Taylor, I mean, that's when Spritz started. Was that when we all went, not my involvement with Spritz started after we all went to Taylor Swift together. It's true. Aeris tour brought everyone together. I'm a huge Swifty. That's so nice. Did you watch Full Swing? I have seen a couple episodes, just because I'm friends with some of the guys and I wanted to see it. When I see Dustin, I think of you. I only know who, like I only watched Full Swing last month and I don't keep up with golf.

1:15:39So I don't really know a lot of people, but I'm familiar with Dustin and his work from following you. Right. So I always associate the two of you. He's like the night, he's one of the most generous people that I've ever met. And he's just a great, great dude. Great dad. Paulina's great. And we have a lot of fun together. Like we always go, we travel with them a lot, which is nice. and it's just been people would be like oh so do you like to live tour pj i was like i'm just gonna go watch where my friends are playing like keegan bradley is like a friend to live yeah but i mean he's bradley and he got to be captain yeah and he's gonna make his own team hopefully and um it's it's been i love the golf world and the golf world translates to bravo a lot like everyone there also watches bravo yeah which is cool that's cool they just want they travis or Travis and Taylor sat in their box at the Panthers.

1:16:34Yeah. So Wayne and Ty, like Paulina's brother. Right, right, right. We're with them. Wayne Gretzky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wayne's a great guy too. It's funny. Like this world takes you in like random places, but. You know where it's taking you tonight? I don't know if you realize that you're on tonight's episode of Kristen Cavallari's reality show. I do realize. Which I am watching because I am the biggest fan of Kristen Cavallari reality shows. We felt, well, Kristen's great. She's a star and I'm happy she's back on TV because she's just really good at it. She is. And she was one of the first ones.

1:17:03She kind of trailblazed it for all of us. Yeah. Who didn't watch Laguna Beach and the hills and stuff. But we filmed that back in February, which I'm realizing that people aren't going to understand. Why? Because you talk about stuff? Just like, it's not bad. It's just the timing won't make sense. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, no, just for people being like, I can't believe Craig's talking about that. And you're like, it was in February and I wasn't supposed to. And they asked me and I don't know. So. Got it. I think I look really nervous on stage because like our deal with them, because like Chris, like I, Kristen and I are really close friends and like, she's done so much for me in Austin and pillows and beer and like stuff like that, that she was like, Hey, will you come do my show?

1:17:50Like do my podcast. And I was like, sure. And then she got the TV deal after that. And obviously, like if something's on TV, like it's just a different notch. Yeah. And, you know, I was like, I just don't want to talk about Paige. And Jerry's like, yeah, like we have an agreement. Everything's fine. Like, but then I think because it got a TV deal, like it got bigger. It got bigger. Yeah. And so like the first question was about Paige and I thought I was going to die like on stage because I hadn't talked about it at all. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm stuck on this stage and there's so many cameras.

1:18:24And so I wonder if that's going to come off. I wonder how, because every episode is about like the show and the guests and like each guest, like some, there was like one where she felt like she wasn't like all the way dialed in. And then she had like her old friends from the Laguna Beach come on and like they stunk. And she was like saying that she's like, I can't believe Talon, like blah, blah, blah. So I wonder what the narrative is going to be like about you and us. But then like Harry Jowsey went on and he's such a pro and she like loves him. So it could be like, I mean, we like the show is good.

1:18:53But, like, it was a really fun show and everyone was excited. But, like, I, like, I just. Like, I wonder what the drama is going to be. Like, when I walk off stage, I say that was the dumbest thing I've ever done. Oh, okay. And they air it. Because you said something dumb? You said something dumb. No, because I, like, hadn't talked about the breakup at all. Yeah. And that's, like, a crazy place to. And only did the show because they said, like, they wanted to ask me about Paige. Got it. And then it looks like I went there to talk about the breakup. Got it. So I was just panicking. Have you seen the episode that's airing tonight?

1:19:26No, and I can't. I mean, I won't watch it. So you don't watch your own stuff at this point. That's good. I'll watch it for you. I'll send you Cliff's notes. Text me and just be like, well, it wasn't that bad. But I mean, Kristen's doing so well. I mean, she's got like three bestselling cookbooks too. She's a very successful person. but she is just good at what she does. Yeah. Like, you know. She's just a star. Yeah. And like, of course I should have, yeah, it's no, it wasn't a big deal. I just was like. Watch how it's not even in the episode and you're like telling on yourself. Well, I just didn't want, I was like, oh my God, what am I doing?

1:20:06I just, and so we'll see. Okay. And then I was also dating the girl that I was seeing. So then like we get dared to kiss and I was like, Like, oh, my God, how am I in this situation right now? Because I hadn't told anyone. Right. But so, well, I guess don't spoil it. They didn't show us in the commercial. I wonder if I have a screener for that. No, I don't have e-screeners. She's doing, but Kristen's doing really well. And I'm glad to be, you know, friends with her. I think all of, like, you know, it's one of those things where if you just keep moving and keep putting your foot in front of, like, one in front of the other, like, we all, like, Like it's a new day and age with like the streaming and the internet and cable TV and, you know, being not like it.

1:20:48Like I feel like a hit on YouTube now is almost as valuable as a hit on like a TV channel or like a podcast. And you guys are like number one every week. Like there's so much for us to do. There is a lot. An object in motion stays in motion. Yes, exactly. That's why you don't say no to things. You just say yes to things. Yeah. Which ultimately like, you know, Jack's like, who cares? You did a podcast with Kristen and it was funny. Like it's not that big of a deal. Yeah. It's really, sometimes you have to like just lighten up. I think I've started to catastrophize things a little bit and I need to work on that.

1:21:18Okay. Chat will help you. Our fifth and final story, Tom Sandoval's fate on America's Got Talent has been revealed. So earlier this week, we spoke about the fact that Tom Sandoval and his band, Most Extras auditioned on America's Got Talent, which was genuinely shocking. We all got to watch the video, but we didn't get to see what the judges said and whether or not he advanced to the next round. so he does advance to the next round this is what the judges said so uh mel b said you made me smile you gave me happy vibes and apart from that song being one of my favorite songs you all look like you were fully enjoying yourselves then um sophia vergar is also a judge and she said that he looked amazing during his performance howie mandel dubbed him a showman and then simon thankfully was like the vocals weren't great Tom I'm gonna be honest with you however not everyone comes on the show to get a record deal sometimes it's about being true to who you are and for that Tom and his band were put through to the next round of the competition do you think something's going on between Tom and Howie Mandel after the interview heard around the world that's where he like went after Skandaval to do one interview he went to Howie Mandel oh that's right I forgot a little game um so what's funny is i this just got brought up my parents were just in charleston this week and my dad was trying to explain to my mom who tom sandoval was because my dad secretly keeps up with everything yeah but my mom doesn't and make it first like she after someone was mean to me like she doesn't like in her mind she doesn't like when people are mean to me on tv so she just doesn't watch oh my gosh just a boy as a mom oh my god i could never know and so i'd come down there like back in the early seasons with like me and shep and And she was like, I don't like this.

1:23:06Does she hate Shep? No, no, no. She just doesn't. She's not exposed to any of it. Craig Jr. I would hate him as a mother. But my dad is aware of everything. But I love him as a person. Right, right, right. Yeah, don't get it twisted. Oh, yes. As Craig's mom, you wouldn't like Shep. As Craig's mom, I would hate Shep. Yes. But Shep and I are in a really great place, which is good. Good. But my dad secretly keeps up with everything. He just doesn't tell me because he knows I'm less stressed if I don't think he knows. Because like, same thing like when I was growing up, like if I got bullied at school, Like I didn't tell my parents because I just felt like why burden them?

1:23:38Like I don't know. Or like you just want to take care of it yourself. I don't really know. Did you get bullied? Oh, yeah. Horribly growing up. It like shaped my whole future. For what? Not that they need a reason. It's just like I wrote a lot about it in my book. But it's like when I remember it's because their dads were doing that to them when they got home. So like I had this weird empathy for the bullies, which was a really weird place to be as a kid. Like a really weird place to be. It was really weird. And like, that's why reality TV, I'm like, there's nothing you can do that like was worse than them.

1:24:09So like it actually all happened for a reason. But when I was, it took me six months to sign my contract. Like me, I think Shep signed first after five months, then me and then Cameron. And I remember being like, I hope there's TVs in jail in Delaware. So those assholes like see me like, and it follows you that long, which is crazy. So anyway, Shep, you're not that bad. But I, so my dad keeps up on all of it and he was talking about America's Got Talent it my mom likes that show and when I got to BravoCon the year of Scannibal I was checking into the hotel because I got there a day early for this brand deal with Raising Cane's and this guy in a hood came up to me and was like hey Craig what's up and I like looked and it was Tom and I was like hey what's up Tom how are you and he's like oh I don't know like I didn't know if like it was okay to talk to you but Tom and I had worked together on a couple different commercials and stuff and like he was always nice to me like obviously don't agree with what happened right or the behavior, but like, he's like, oh, like, what am I going to do?

1:25:07Like flick him off and be like, piss off. So like, we weren't having dinner. He was just saying hi. So I was like, oh, hey, what's up, Tom? Like, this is my, these are my parents. This is my dad, my mom. And so they met him and my mom was like, oh, the guy that we met when we got to BravoCon. But that's all she knows about Sandoval. But my dad knows everything. She could be a jury member for Sandoval on trial. She's a school, she was a school teacher. She's like the most honest person alive. and um man she's had a interesting ride with me you know like right just was gonna be a lawyer and then well i am a lawyer but then i was like i'm gonna do a reality show they didn't even know what that was then i'm gonna start a sewing company and oh man it's probably been a roller coaster but they're probably very proud of you yeah they are they are and they love she loves going to the stores and she's we'll always see her order come across on shopify and we always refund her money.

1:25:57We're like, you're not paying for stuff. But I'm like, Sandoval has been everywhere. He did. Special Forces. Yeah. And Ariana's doing great too. But with Love Island, that's huge. But yeah, Special Forces, Traders. Now America's Got Talent. So what did your mom think of his audition? I don't know. I didn't ask her. I was in the car and I didn't want to hear it because it makes me feel really awkward to watch people that I know. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm shocked that he got through. I don't know what it like. How was the audition? It was fine. Like their cover band. Oh, I saw – that's what happened.

1:26:30My dad went to show me and I saw him in the beginning and he's very theatrical on stage. And I was like, I can't do this right now because we – I was doing my own like – We were in the middle of something and I was just like, yeah, I just can't right now. I understand. I thought – they are a nice cover band. Like I would hire them for a wedding. It's probably a good time. I don't know like what qualifies someone to be on America's Got Talent. Sophia Vergara has a Southern, has a history with us a little bit. She used to date Whitney's cousin. And so she did Easter at Miss Pat's house. I'm obsessed.

1:27:03And the paparazzi caught her like out on the porch. Like, you know, she was like waving to people. Iconic. So Sophia's had Easter Sunday at Miss Pat's house. Wow. Also Southern charm, White Lotus. You guys have been like part of the White Lotus story. Jason Isaacs said that he based his character off of Thomas watching Southern Charming, Thomas Ravenel. Actually, the creator said that. And then Jason Isaacs was like, no, I didn't. But he is so Thomas Ravenel. Did you watch this season? I watched the, so I usually watch the last episode of White Lotus, which I can't really handle the whole season.

1:27:38It's a lot. I get stressed out. But I did watch Friends and Neighbors, which was incredible. That's Jon Hamm? Yeah. Yeah, me too. I do want to give, because there's no way for me to reach Jon Hamm. I do want to say thank you, Jon Hamm, for all of the positivity that you show Southern Charm and me. And, like, I love it. And, like, we're all big fans. Like, our entire cast has watched his new show, like, over the last few weeks. Because he just, like, came out swinging in support of Southern Charm. He loves Southern Charm. He said he loves the guys. He just wants to get together with you. He's a great dude.

1:28:11And he's, like. He might be a bigger fan than me. He's just. I just want to, like. Like it was so funny because we were in – this is when I was like this is so – like I knew I was kind of going to – it was going to be a tough road. So we were in – so Paige and I were supposed to go to London for New Year's. And then when she broke up with me, we – like Paulina and Dustin, we always do a ski trip with them to Aspen. And they had also invited us to Aspen. So we were trying to decide between the two trips. And then when we broke up, she was like, well, like you can still go on this ski trip, but I'm not going to go.

1:28:42And I was like, okay. So Paulina was like, just come out with us. Like, don't be sitting at home by yourself over New Year's. And so I went to Aspen with Dustin and Paulina. And on New Year's Eve, Paulina could tell, like, some days were better than others. But I was having a really tough time. So she's like, instead of going out tonight, I'm just going to throw a party at the house. And she's like, it'll just be us. And we had a good crew with us, all of their, like, friends and family. And so Paulina throws this New Year's Eve party at the house. and like the ball's getting close to like dropping and I just like need a minute.

1:29:17So I go to like the other wing of the house and the TV's on and it's Jon Hamm and Andy and Jon Hamm and I'm so I'm like, oh, there's Andy. Like it made me a little happy. And then Jon Hamm's like, hey, I just want to start out by pouring one out for Paige and Craig, like end of an era. And I'm watching the New Year's Eve broadcast and I'm like, how is this happening right now? And Jon's like, you know, I'm just really bummed. And I was like, I can't escape this anywhere right now. That's insane. But it is crazy. But it's a wild place to be in. And I am very gracious and grateful. But I do want Jon Hamm in case he's also a toaster.

1:29:58Yeah. Or he has toasters working for him. Just to tell him, like, we see it and we think it's awesome. And we're always, like, high-fiving and being like, hell yeah, dude. Oh, my God. I'm obsessed. We appreciate it. That's a really good one. Well, everyone loves Jon Hamm. Right. Like, everyone. Right. And he's just a bro. And like, he's like, yeah, I love watching these dumbasses navigate life. And I'm like, that's kind of what Southern Charm is. Yeah. The show description. Well, that was the Fast Five Stories. And we were supposed to do Dear Toasters. I feel bad leaving everyone hanging. OK, we'll do one Dear Toasters, even though this episode has gone so long.

1:30:29And I know you have flights to catch and like I have a family to raise. So like we at some point have to end the episode. But let's do let's do one. Let's do one. Okay. Dear toasters. Here's actually, I think you'll be the perfect one for this. Some relationship advice is needed. My boyfriend and I have been dating for almost three months, having known one another for about a year. He's wonderful, a great man and an excellent boyfriend. The problem is we're about to start long distance. He's taking a job in Cleveland, whereas I'll still be in New York. Even though we haven't been dating very long, I don't want to just break up with him because he's moving.

1:31:01I want to keep dating, but I'm terrified of being in a long distance relationship. Should I just break it off now because in the grand scheme of things, we haven't been together very long? Or should I give it my best shot and risk our great relationship ending poorly? On that note, any long distance advice would be appreciated. Thankfully, I have the master here. Love a girly who may start frequenting Ohio. Well, you know, I love Cleveland, so I support it. The boys were just in Cincinnati, Austin and Chepeda golf tournament. One, all that matters is if you like them enough. So like if you actually like this guy, don't just break up with him for long distance.

1:31:33The thing is, is like long distance isn't what it used to be with FaceTime. And you live in New York City. Like there's probably eight flights a day to Cleveland, another major city. So like and they're not going to be expensive. So if you like them enough, it will be fine. Yeah. The last thing like saying or the last part saying like I don't want to ruin our relationship by dating long distance. Like if you stop dating now, like you're confirmed ruining it. Yeah, like there's no going back to being friends because like he definitely likes you. And like he's not going to keep you don't get to keep being like gal pals, long distance like gal pals.

1:32:12This is not a thing. So I never had a problem with long distance and I don't think my ex did either. I think it was really special. I mean, she used to rave about how it made our time together even more special. Yeah. But like, yeah, with technology and the ease of travel these days, I just, it's no different than a commute, like a daily commute. Yeah. Well, not daily, but. Weekly. Yeah. I just, it's all like, if you want, if you see a future with him, then like outside of the distance thing, then yeah, stay together. He's the one. It's just about effort. It's just about effort. I agree. But I would also I feel like and I've not I don't have long distance experience, but I would imagine like having a goal, like an end goal or plan.

1:32:58Well, that's the thing. It's like, OK, either in two years he can move back to New York or like in two years you would move to Cleveland and leave your job in New York. And if there is like a destination to arrive at. So we so that was I think I mean, I don't think we'll ever know what happened with my relationship. But I will tell you, we did not do that right. Because Paige loved New York and I loved Charleston and we loved each other. So it was like, why put the cart in front of the horse? By the end, you were going to move to New York. Yeah. But that's because that's why the distance doesn't matter.

1:33:34Like if you find your person, that's the hard part. You will do it more than Charleston. Well, yeah, of course. Like I do love Charleston as a home base. But like if something, if I end up moving later, like if there's a reason to go somewhere, like I don't like that's no big deal. So I wouldn't put, but by not having a plan, I think it eventually stressed her out. Yeah. By being like, you will end up resenting me for moving. And like, we just never talked about the plan. And I think the horse eventually caught up to that cart. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess I would have a, like, if he's just moving to Cleveland for work and like he could, like, he's not moving there.

1:34:11because his family's there and he never wants to leave Cleveland. But getting a New Yorker to leave New York is tough. It depends on the New Yorker. Oh, Ben. Ben's not. But, like, the thing, I'm technically a New Yorker and I'm like, see ya. Yeah, that's true. But Ben, I remember talking to Ben about it because he took me to a Knicks game. They are a New Yorker. And he was like, I mean, I love going to Jackie's for, like, a month, but, like, we will raise our kids in New York. And I was like, oh, God, these people don't. I don't know if that's true today anymore. So we'll see. Okay. And I'm working on them.

1:34:40And maybe we could do Charleston. I will literally move anywhere. Ben loves coming to Charleston. Claudia hasn't been yet. No, we're coming. We will be there. Okay, cool. But I'm saying don't break up because of the distance. But if you don't see yourself marrying him one day, because you will know after knowing someone for a year and three months, use the distance as an excuse to break up with him. I think that's great advice. I'm going to make the call to end this episode before we are into the night here. Craig, we love you so much. We'll do Dear Toasters. There's two more tomorrow with our guest co-hosts.

1:35:12You guys are going to love most requested co-hosts yet after Craig. Thank you so much for joining me today. Thanks Jackie. Where can everyone follow you shop every wonderful pillow and beer? I think my, yeah, my Instagram is CAConover. And then my company's Instagram is Sewing Down South. And I think between the two of them, you'll find everything. If you are going to Charleston sometime soon, me and my wonderful friend Austin and Castmate and our partners just opened By the Way. I saw that. And it is really doing great. And our chef, Chef Marcus, just presented at Aspen Food and Wine. And, like, it's just become this destination of Charleston.

1:35:53So it's called By the Way. It's right off King Street. And I think you'll really enjoy it. I love that. And where can everyone listen to your podcast? We don't have a podcast anymore. Okay, the podcast is dissolved. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see what the next chapter is on that. But it was a fun ride. It was. It was a COVID podcast, though. And it made it really far, way past COVID. You guys had a tour. Oh, yeah, we went on tour twice. I mean, we met so many people through it. So I think we just got a little, there's a lot. We just need to settle. You know, we have so much in our ecosystem right now that we just have to, like, you know, reset.

1:36:26Right. And, of course, you can watch Southern Charm on Bravo, stream old episodes on Peacock. like treat yourself. The old seasons. I think there's like 180 episodes of Southern Charm now. Yeah, the early episodes like really feel like another time. Yeah, and just be excited for this future and drink spritz. Drink spritz, spritzsociety.com. Code Craig20 today and get all spritzes and have a great rest of your day. Craig, thank you so much for being here. We love you. Bye.