Nicolandria Incorporated: Wednesday, May 6th, 2026

10:55Jackie Oshry:And I never even watch a show. I don't know why it would be served this content. Yeah. But I think I must be just on gay Twitter.

11:01Claudia Oshry:Or they just like know that you loved like the hater. Pitting people against one another.

11:05Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

11:06Claudia Oshry:And that like you love the hate, hate, hate. I literally do. It's just like, no, I don't love the hate. But like, it's interesting to have an opinion. It's more interesting to hate. I know, but that's bad. But even though like we love, love, love, you know, as much as we talk so much shit, like it's so true. There are not two nicer, kinder, more generous girls. And I know us like offline.

11:31Jackie Oshry:It's true. And because I know us offline, like I and I know how really sweet and genuine we are. Like it's actually shocking that we are Nicolandria truthers because like we do believe in love. That's why we're Nicolandria truth. No, I know. But I could see us also getting swept up in the Nicolandria of it all.

11:46Claudia Oshry:For a minute. I actually was. Like, I was like, oh, this is fun. And then production, like, put them together, sent them to that remote date when they both were getting eliminated and they gave them a chance to be together and they said no thanks. So, like, I moved on.

11:58Jackie Oshry:No, and they literally only coupled up because it was their only way to stay on the show. Like, seriously, how dense are people?

12:03Claudia Oshry:No, like, I was down to clown and they both said they weren't into it. Like, that was that.

12:08Jackie Oshry:They made out and they were like, I'm good.

12:10Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I don't need to do that again. So, that was, like, all I needed to see. Yeah.

12:16Jackie Oshry:I feel like we should dive in. We kind of have a lot to do.

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18:49Claudia Oshry:I looked you can't get it online my local Walmart you can't get it online my local did not have maybe I guess I saw where it is it's not close but I could take a trip road trip yeah it comes

19:01Jackie Oshry:with such a cute bag I don't love the racks but and or the mat but to get tiles in a bag for 79 dollars like I have to go honestly you know what I'm doing it yeah okay maybe I'll try and go and then wait I want oh happy birthday to our satchel our little sister's birthday is today

19:17Claudia Oshry:and I wanted to wish her oh my god you want to hear the funniest thing so yesterday on the redheads I was telling Margot we were talking about her birthday obviously because that's what's happening in the redheads community and I had told her like my birthday gift will actually be there on her birthday and I bought it you know sort of last minute but I had to wait for it to like sort of come across my desk like I didn't know what to get her and then the perfect thing I sort of arrived on my Instagram and she was like I feel like I know what you got me and I already bought it for myself and I was like what she's like Hunza G Burberry.

19:49Claudia Oshry:So yes I got her two swimsuits from the Hunza GX Burberry collaboration and she had already bought one but she bought I bought her two like two different colors and she got a different color so she has three and she can return what she doesn't like and that just means I slayed. It's true. That's how you know. So Satchel happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday mrs satchel happy birthday to you we love you satchel the place looks great it always does well it always does i love her i know I love little Sachi. Let's just go home and call her. Okay. Call it a day. Also, you guys shower her with love today.

20:37Claudia Oshry:Tell her her work outfit is adorable. And just be sweet to Sachi, okay? Be sweet to Sachi.

20:45Jackie Oshry:B-S-T-S. Oh, I thought of a new acronym this morning. Okay. And I'm going to start using it. PETA.

20:57Claudia Oshry:Parchi? no p-i-t-a please

21:05Jackie Oshry:can i show you yeah paid in the ass i kind of love that yeah pita

21:14Claudia Oshry:are you ready for our first story in no particular order kim kardashian makes a difficult decision in her law journey after multiple failed bar attempts so reports are saying now that kim has skipped the february bar exam no plans to try again in July. The tests are offered twice per year. You get two tries per year. Sources are saying that she will not try again until 2027.

21:36Jackie Oshry:Okay. Like, listen, you know, John F. Kennedy Jr. famously had to take it a couple of times. I just want to say, first of all, she has to see this through, and she has to pass. Like, there's no option. Really? Yeah. I mean, she's made it her whole personality. She's literally missed out on, like, hours and hours of her family and her children for this test.

21:56Claudia Oshry:it means she has to that's how i feel like but i just want to say on the john f kennedy jr point like he has no he had no other options in life other than to take the bar become a lawyer and like follow that political path like for kim this was meant to be a hobby really she has it's become more trouble than it's worth she has eight other careers like john f kennedy would have had no career no i mean she has to do it not because of her career but because of the time she's already put in otherwise she goes to zero and we know her obsession with like proving people

22:27Jackie Oshry:wrong we got a lot of flack for like skirting she was got a lot of flack for like skirting the system because she didn't go to law school she did like the internship and so maybe she needs to go to law school i just want to say some of the dumbest people i know have passed the bar like is she okay it's because she didn't go to law school yeah i guess now that she's trying to do

22:46Claudia Oshry:law school like vis-a-vis tutors but most people go to law school and then pass the bar they

22:50Jackie Oshry:dedicate no and jackie most people go to law school and then actively work at a law firm during as like a paralegal and shit during those years that like passing the bar is like not even

22:59Claudia Oshry:hard yeah yeah but trying to pass the bar while also an actress running skims an influencer a celebrity like she can't fail again like she literally can't fail again the next time she

23:10Jackie Oshry:takes it so maybe she knows that she has like a really busy next couple of months and that if she were to take it she wouldn't pass but like she needs like just for her public image like she's obsessed with proving people wrong she's obsessed with what people think about her at this point i

23:21Claudia Oshry:don't even feel like she's proving people wrong like it's really just her versus herself versus the bar exam like no she gets like a lot of criticism not from us but like from the internet no at this point no one is like critiquing her harder than herself like no one is more invested in in her she has to prove to herself that she can do this it's really not about what people are

23:40Jackie Oshry:saying everyone's sort of moved on yeah i just don't understand like working that hard if you

23:45Claudia Oshry:have to yeah i guess she has to pass because like then it would make every hour that she spent like really irrelevant yeah and that's a big pill to swallow because we've seen her on the show she's studying on set breaks and she's you know spending whole days missing birthday parties yeah um but if it were all that to fail if it were me personally i would you would cut your losses i would cut my losses but like that's why perhaps like I'm not destined for like greatness beyond greatness and I'll just have like an ordinary life yeah I'm definitely destined for goodness like for goodness

24:23Jackie Oshry:I will try to a point within reason that's probably the difference between me and her and I

24:28Claudia Oshry:Kardashian right and I'm okay with that that's the thing like I'm okay with goodness that would that would be beautiful to have some goodness.

24:38Jackie Oshry:She needs to team up with Mike from Suits because he used to like take the LSATs for people. And just, it's just a formality at this point. She's not going to be anyone's real lawyer. So just.

24:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And then also, yeah, when she passes the bar, like then what? I don't know. I guess she can like be more effective in her criminal justice reform, but it's like she has the people who do that. You don't have to do everything. She has lawyers, right. I don't know. I just feel bad.

25:04Jackie Oshry:she's sort of like in a rough spot definitely I bet she wishes she never started this stupid

25:09Claudia Oshry:journey it has been so many years at this point yeah like so many hours yeah yeah awkward yeah but I just want like if I just want her to know like it it's okay to give up and I do think in general like sometimes it's okay to give up yeah I'll agree not all the time you know don't be a give her upper but no one would ever accuse you of that but like it's okay once in a while to just give up yeah but she never will and like the internet won't either because like i forgot about

25:43Jackie Oshry:this but now i'm remembering that she didn't pass and it's still something but like if they keep reporting on it like they it won't the internet and the media won't let people forget like it won't

25:51Claudia Oshry:they won't let this quietly go into the night yeah i wonder why this was like a report via tmz of a source saying so i wonder like where this came from and you know tmz is a kardashians outlet of choice right so why did they like wake up and say like let's let tmz know kim's not taking the bar again this year i have no idea but i guess they felt the world needed to know well thank you yeah our next story some more legal news blake lively made no money in the justin baldoni settlement but the legal fight is not quite over yet jeez no money changed hands in the settlement between Blake and Justin, but the legal fight is not quite over.

26:28Claudia Oshry:Lively still has a pending motion for attorney's fees and damages in connection with Baldoni's failed defamation suit against her. Yeah, because if you sue someone and you lose, you have to pay their bills. And did you see that the legal bills are up to$60 million? I did see that. That's fucking crazy.

26:43Jackie Oshry:I mean, when you think about all the people who were deposed, like Sony, like this was so big. It's interesting that the settlement was$0. Like, I guess they all just agreed to cut their losses and like, it was only going to get worse for both of them. So,

26:56Claudia Oshry:um, especially a federal trial would have been insane. Huge.

27:01Jackie Oshry:Like what a waste of the federal courts is times. Honestly,

27:04Claudia Oshry:like it would have been everyday pictures, quotes. It would, it would have been bad for both of them. Like I, and it makes complete sense that no one had to pay anyone to just end this. Well, did you see like lively is mech.

27:15Jackie Oshry:Ella drama. I actually feel bad for her.

27:16Claudia Oshry:I did. We saw that headlines yesterday on the show, like daily mail.

27:22Jackie Oshry:no no no something else like so rumors were kind of swirling in a formal capacity that she like wasn't invited um could you to get to the Met Galley it's like you have to come with a brand or a designer she wore Versace and then Versace posted on her Instagram their Instagram you know Blake Lively wearing Atelier so I think a lot of people assumed like she was at the hundred you know her hundred thousand dollar seat was paid for by Versace but then that any fair came up with the official list of attendees and invitees and she wasn't on it so people were like she showed up uninvited when actually then du Moximo reported today confirmed that she was actually a guest of Anna Wintour and I guess Anna can invite whoever she wants at her discretion of course she can

28:03Claudia Oshry:yeah and they are like old school she's like an OG Macala I saw I saw that people were saying she wasn't invited I did not believe it for one second she's an OG Anna Swirly she can go it would be like saying Sarah Jessica Parker wasn't invited to the Met Gala. Correct. She is the Met Gala. Was she there? She was not there. Oh I don't know. Andy must have been devastated. Oh yeah he missed out unless they're sticking it to the Bezos's. Maybe. Which the Bezos's really noticed. Yeah from their 500 million dollar yacht. Yeah. They were bummed SJB wasn't there. even i can see like lord nicole sanchez loving andy you think so yeah she's just a girl i don't know but if she loved andy like i feel like she's sort of like not in andy's worlds

28:53Jackie Oshry:well i feel like actually at one point she would have been great because before she was mrs bezos like she was still like a real hustler gal about and married to a very wealthy i mean comparatively he's a pauper but uh a pretty wealthy she could have been like a potential cast mate for Beverly Hills. She actually would have been good in her former life. Yeah.

29:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But alas, she had other plans for herself. Yeah. She dreamt bigger. She dreamed it. What's it called? What's that saying? Dream it and it will be or whatever. She dreamed like

29:27Jackie Oshry:she believed she could. So she did. I mean, to make like an inspirational quote with like a picture of that. Yeah. And that quote.

29:36Claudia Oshry:She believed she could. So she did. And she literally did. It's so true. It's such a good quote. She's such an inspiration. It really is. Kim needs a little of that to believe that she can pass the bar. And she will. I think like if she took the bar twice a year, every year for the rest of her life, she would eventually pass the bar, right? Just like. She would have the questions memorized. By accident.

29:58Jackie Oshry:Yeah. But like on Kardashians, when she like went to a hotel and spent the weekend away from her kids and was like getting massages. like all this she's seriously so funny like she's doing all that i don't know i don't know

30:17Claudia Oshry:massages like that was she's like in like didn't she miss someone's birthday party like constantly in conference rooms like stressed to the nine she's like threw her back out with her index cards she threw her back out studying for the test she said she couldn't sit like the stress of it just stop enjoy your life like life is short don't spend it studying for the bar if you don't need

30:37Jackie Oshry:to become a lawyer it's true like you're literally a billionaire like you have the privilege of not having to do all this shit like so why are you doing it why are you on a hulu set filming a turnt show with sarah paulson even though my new vocals same have you seen that video jackie pataya yeah what is that when kim's doing press for all's fair with sarah paulson who's like literally her best friend in the world um they're doing press with this very i want to say she's like well she's a really thick accent and they're in the UK and she's asking Kim like cute questions about like UK culture she's like do you like a jack-o-potato and she's saying jack-o-potato which is a baked potato and Sarah Paulson like understands but Kim is like she literally has no idea what the woman said so she's like a jack-o-potato you never had a jack-o-potato and then Sarah Paulson's like Kim yeah you've never had a jack-o-potato it's the best clip ever that's funny and they can't stop laughing like they get and then kim's like oh a baked potato yeah sour cream cheese once she

31:37Claudia Oshry:understands it was really funny yum a baked potato is yum doesn't do it for me i'm not surprised a fried potato is more my spoon like a french fry dairy correct are you ready for our next story yeah some cute news travis kelsey says he can't wait for this element of his wedding to taylor Swift so on new heights this week Travis and Jason oh wait I missed this I'm like I'm kind of blushing it's actually it's gonna be a hard one for you to swallow because their guest was Rory McIlroy and it was actually Rory McIlroy who said the cute thing so it's impossible it's literally you have the you read it wrong just wait it's really cute give like hold space okay okay because McIlroy who won the Masters again this year was discussing the honor of hosting the tournament's annual master's champions dinner when he mentioned the nuptials he said travis you'll feel this this year whenever you're sitting at your wedding you have all the people in a room from like it's so amazing it's to have all these people in the same room from your childhood and it's surreal it's unbelievable the only thing that i can compare it to is your wedding day because it's like all of this collection of people in the same room it's like wild and travis replied i can't wait

32:48Jackie Oshry:stop like this story got significantly less cute when you told me rory mccleroy was about like

32:52Claudia Oshry:But it's a cute sentiment to think about. Like everyone that you know in your life, they're never going to all be together. They don't know each other, but like they are at your wedding. That's like really beautiful. Makes you like to justify spending all that money. Yeah. You know? I like, yeah.

33:13Jackie Oshry:I'm really excited. I'm just trying to like move past the right back. Why do you hate him so much?

33:19Claudia Oshry:It's a good question. was there a something what does Ben feel about him

33:27Jackie Oshry:like hates because it's like you're always rooting for an American and he's like always winning it's annoying it's like why people hate LeBron like it's just because he's good I understand also your faves are never going to win because like he's always over here winning

33:40Claudia Oshry:have you seen like this stuff about live golf drama what I thought it was over yeah it's like over they like defunded it I'm mad you're seriously like five years late I'm cracking up yeah they like merged no they merged that's different but then there were still players like living but like the Saudis aren't funding

33:59Jackie Oshry:live golf anymore it's like done oh so all that for nothing all of that for nothing and all not really well the people who like stood their ground and didn't take 500 million dollar deals just for like this whole thing to be over in a few years like you should have taken the money no I feel like the opposite they look like sellouts well i often think like what i would do in a situation like that because i love i genuinely love money more than anything in this world but i am like a deeply unfortunately like scrupled person so if i knew that like this 100 million dollars but it has to be like these are people who like 100 million dollars is a lot but they also have 100 million dollars they probably have 30 million and they're okay so like no i would take it like i know your net worth i like to think that i'm better than that but like in actuality i'm really okay i'm tripling my net worth i have a family like i don't think that you would well i know because you wouldn't let me no but i think that if i were born in a different family i would have

35:01Claudia Oshry:I know you. I like know us offline. And I just know you. You wouldn't do it.

35:07Jackie Oshry:I would love to have a second home one day.

35:11Claudia Oshry:Okay. So it'll be a smaller home. Great. I just, I know you turds, Phil. But anyways, I look forward to getting the whole situation explained to me. Oh, but then do I have to like go to Saudi Arabia?

35:26Jackie Oshry:I don't know. Like, do you have to go to, I didn't think about that part. I thought like they would just pay me in the U.S. But if it involves travel. There might be like tour stops. There might be tour stops. Because like Riyadh comedy festival where all those comedians were like getting canceled. Would you have done that? No, because you have to go.

35:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah, they said like bring the N-Log tour to Riyadh.

35:45Jackie Oshry:No, as like a chesty Jewess. Like I'm not going to Saudi Arabia. Like sorry, I'm just not. Okay, so. Scrupled. Scared.

35:57Jackie Oshry:More so scared. More so scared. If I'm being honest. But like if the money was just wired and I had to just participate in like Saudi activities in the States. Oh, bitch, it's on. Okay. Okay. So that's where you draw the line.

36:10Claudia Oshry:Yeah. If I have to physically go, I can't. That part, I don't know. I don't know where the, where the tour stops are for live. Right. Well, anyways, like hopefully it's in this season of full swing. Cause I don't want to wait till next year to understand what happened. But I do think net net, like it's not good for the live players. I think they look like idiots.

36:28Jackie Oshry:they get insane guests on that new heights podcast like it's wild yeah leonardo like and people who've never done a podcast before in their life leonardo dicaprio sitting down being like what

36:39Claudia Oshry:is this i kind of want to listen to it because it's like it's really hard to do like remote podcast interview like and have a great interview so there are a couple of podcasts

36:50Jackie Oshry:that just absolutely slay the remote game i don't know if oh you probably didn't see this but this TikTok kind of went like viral of a girl being like, I cannot believe that Jackie and Claudia live in different states. Like, and it was one of the best like feelings ever for me. This girl was like, wait, did everybody know this? They're not in the same room. She was like, but it looks like it too. Cause she watches. She doesn't even just listen. She watches. Yeah. I don't know of a higher compliment, honestly.

37:14Claudia Oshry:Yeah. That's really great. So I would put us in the category of like slaying the remote.

37:18Jackie Oshry:The greats. Absolutely. It's new heights. They do a really good job. No lag. I don't know a single other podcast. I'm trying to think.

37:25Claudia Oshry:That slays remote podcasting.

37:27Jackie Oshry:But we don't do interviews. They do. That's really impressive. It's impossible to do a Zoom interview. It's miserable.

37:31Claudia Oshry:Good guys must do pretty good on remote. They have our setup. They do. They copied us. Yeah. So but they're like still the TNN family.

37:38Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

37:38Claudia Oshry:So TNN crushes remote podcasting. We should become a network for remote podcasters. That's kind of a good idea.

37:45Jackie Oshry:It is. It's very niche. Except that like I have no ambition these days. Like I was just talking about this. I am so leaning in. Actually, I was just playing Mahjong and a lot of my friends are moms. Some of them are full-time moms. Some of them are working moms. And one of my friends was talking about she's kind of feeling like she wants to leave the workforce. She has three kids. I'm like, do it. I'm so toxic. My personal experience with motherhood has been like it drained me of any ambition and I love it. And I feel like at first I was like, wait, no. I was kind of fighting that feeling. That's why I did The Masked Singer.

38:19Jackie Oshry:I was fighting the feeling. I was like, no, no, because I've always it's been like we have to go we have to be here we have to do this and now i'm leaning in like a little too hard i keep like pulling out stuff i'm like canceling like but but like i just don't want to work like i just want to do the minimum to pay my bills which is showing up and doing this show yeah no and i will do this i will don't worry guys like i will never not do this yeah this is

38:42Claudia Oshry:the perfect amount you know and running the toast and everything that comes with it it like because it gives you that creative outlet which i think if you didn't have as a mom would be hard for someone like you who's so creative yeah um but it allows you to really be like a full-time mom outside of this um but I think you'll also get to a phase where right now it's like you still think like no I should do that so you say yes and then you cancel but in a couple months you'll be at a place where I know I need to say no to everything yeah so it's just sort of an awkward phase yeah it is it's transitional so if you see me at the event and then they like cancel like that's why no I also I'm in a place where it's like I keep thinking like in three months or in six months like my life is gonna look completely if I'm gonna have my shit together I can do this that and the other thing and then those things roll around I'm like no I can't of course I can't am I crazy what was I thinking and it's been that way for four years because I went to I hosted like a

39:37Jackie Oshry:fireside chat with with um the moderator was Leandra Medin and I was talking about this and she's like OG hustler blogger girl and I was like no I literally have no ambition I'm like and I love it like and i and i i i want to talk about it because i feel like that happens to women and you're just like you're supposed to you're not you're supposed to you're supposed to feel bad and you're supposed to think well that's wrong because like i can't lose my career ambition is good yeah and it's like well yeah but it's okay if you don't want to like it's absolutely okay

40:03Claudia Oshry:um and then she was just like also it's worth mentioning it's not like sit around and eat bonbons all day it's to like be a mother you know which like there's no more worthy job in the world

40:13Jackie Oshry:It's to be a mother and eat bottomless.

40:18Jackie Oshry:At the same time, holding space for two things. And sit around. Absolutely, because I'm not getting back on the floor. My back is still really bad. Like, I have an icy hot on now. I'm in hell. Yeah, so then what did she say? Oh, she was like, oh, that's so funny. A total opposite for me. Like, the second I gave birth, and she said it was because she had girls, maybe. And, like, she's like, the girls gave her, like, this insane, intense ambition. like to go achieve and i was like oh opposite for me slide oh i guess like because maybe you want your daughters to like see what a woman can do yeah and whereas like i'm prepping my son to have just like a a concubine like a wife for a wife around and he's like literally i make ben do everything like we had that meeting in florida i sent ben to meet you like i just want to be home like and you know what i'm i'm finally like leaning in i'm like that's good like it's good I just it was it's so polar opposite who I was before I had a baby so it's like it's been a transition and it was a tough one to swallow but now I'm like telling all my friends I'm like you should quit like you should literally quit you're like Emily Blunt absolutely yeah good advice yeah

41:28Claudia Oshry:um are you ready for our fourth story Lizzo is speaking out about her lawsuits she said the truth will come out in court. So Lizzo is not backing down from her legal issues. In fact, she's leaning all the way in saying she's ready to take the stand and let the truth speak for her itself. She sat down with CBS news host Gail King for an interview that aired on Monday and she made her stance clear. She's not settling, not hiding, and definitely not scared of what might come out in court. She said she is not scared of the truth. So backstory, a group of her former dancers claim she created a toxic work environment, accusing her of sexual harassment, weight shaming, and putting them in uncomfortable situations on tour.

42:08Claudia Oshry:Lizzo says when she first got hit with the lawsuit her reaction was simple it's not true but she didn't go firing back publicly right away explaining that she felt a responsibility to keep it measured because of what she represents to fans. Still don't get it twisted she's fighting this thing all the way through. Despite having the option to settle she says that's not happening calling that the easy way out and insisting she's standing firm because she believes the claims against her are flat out false. She doubled down on denying specific accusations including fat shaming allegations while acknowledging the case is ongoing and limiting how much she can say oh classic let me do like a huge interview and let you know that I'm in the middle of my lawyers speak about it um but it's so funny she also like Gail asked her if she would testify if it goes to trial Lizzo didn't hesitate she said absolutely adding that she would look fabulous doing it she said the truth will come out so you know a couple of weeks ago we

42:58Jackie Oshry:having the conversation about people who have like actually successfully been canceled remember Matilda Jurf we need to add Lizzo we should start a list because for the most part I feel like cancel culture is just like it's a part of the ecosystem we live in like you have to have it in order but there's some people who it genuinely wipes out and I feel like Lizzo is one of those people I don't know if you even know this but she like still very actively and frequently releases

43:19Claudia Oshry:music no I didn't know that but like is the music good because it's like all of her music is just good like radio hits right but like if she's releasing bops like you can't stop the bops

43:30Jackie Oshry:it's a little bit dated I think a lot of her music is like that like self-love anthem over and over and over again um which is like feels a little I feel like it's also why like um what's her name Meghan Trainor is like struggling a little bit it's just like a corny old style of music that people aren't like drawn to anymore but you know every now and then even Meghan Trainor has a hit I just feel like Lizzo really can't get arrested I feel like when we talk about people who have been successfully canceled we don't talk about Lizzo but she really has yeah and I do think it's

43:58Claudia Oshry:more so like the people because sometimes you get canceled by like the industry and they won't they won't touch you but like people still like you you know right other times by the people like that do

44:08Jackie Oshry:find their way back into the industry because if you have a huge fan base who like wants to see you in movies or whatever the industry does often come crawling back sometimes the industry refuses to cancel someone and the people are like are you fucking serious we don't want to see this rapist

44:20Claudia Oshry:in a movie stop yeah so sometimes like the industry they still prop this person up but like nobody's watching their stuff buying their stuff whatever like it's kind of giving balenciaga um right and i do feel that way about lizzo the fact that she's on cbs news with gail king like if she were an actual like person i feel like the industry actually has also sort of let her go you

44:41Jackie Oshry:don't see her like performing at award shows or like doing gigs like i think the audience and the industry has sort of like they were gonna wait to see what happened with the trial and then we also just like like everyone's caring you know yeah she's also a pop star like you can't really stop for too long of a time yeah I think it was a combo of both but I also think it's like

45:00Claudia Oshry:what the allegations are against her is so the antithesis of her brand is so the antithesis of her brand that like if she doesn't if those things are not true about her brand she has no brand like

45:12Jackie Oshry:she has nothing it's the Ellen of it all like you can't have a show about kindness and be the nastiest bitch on the planet you can't be a body positive queen who's calling all your dancers like yeah so in jvn you can't be like you know the feelings person and then the evil person yeah yeah you can't do both and i think those are like a lot of really effective cancellations is when we find out that your real persona is the polar opposite of everything you've built yourself up

45:39Claudia Oshry:on so it's like take those things away and you have nothing whereas sometimes someone like turns out to be like a diva or whatever but it's like oh they never seemed like super nice that's not why we like them we like their music whatever correct um so this trial should be interesting i mean you know if the truth is on her side then she deserves justice but i do think regardless like it's kind of bananas that's going to trial don't you find it's bananas i would agree i find

46:02Jackie Oshry:that as well at the end of the day when people when somebody like rides so hard for themselves like i i am inclined to believe her only because she had an opportunity to settle she didn't she's you know doing press so i do believe her but like why would a dancer lie about it you know

46:21Claudia Oshry:like i don't know it's a tough situation yeah it is are you ready for our fifth and final story

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50:45Claudia Oshry:Thank you, Turts. You're welcome, Jert. Our fifth and final story that will lead into a little Summerhouse recap is that Summerhouse's KJ Dillard reads Wes Wilson's post-reunion apology text to him live on air on Watch What Happens Live last night. So let me tell you that I didn't find last night's episode of Summerhouse

51:03Jackie Oshry:even remotely interesting. What was the central?

51:07Claudia Oshry:What had happened?

51:08Jackie Oshry:Well, it was at the very end where Lindsay had her second annual freedom dinner. She was being so funny. She brought up with Kyle. Like, again, he's going on tour. Do you think that's good for your wife? You claim you want to start a family. And everyone's just sort of piling on Kyle. Amanda's just sitting there. And Kyle, this happened all the last 30 seconds. So the driveway fight that's been teased happens next week because Carl and him get up and whatever. It's not even a fight between Carl and Kyle. It's a fight between Lindsay and Kyle. And he just looks at Amanda and he goes, fuck you. It was really crazy.

51:41Jackie Oshry:And the whole table, everybody gets up. West picks up his chair and moves it next to Amanda and like just like sits next to her. Amanda's like smiling. She's like not even affected. But before that, like, like literally nothing happened. I'm actually trying to think. Yeah. Whatever. On Watch What Happens Live. So I happen to actually really like KJ. I did not like what he did on Watch What Happens Live. And let me tell you why. And it's funny that this is the story because like that was my main takeaway. First of all, he was whispering on Watch What Happens Live. I could not hear anyone else. Jamie Lynn Sigler was talking at a normal volume.

52:16Jackie Oshry:I had to increase the volume every time KJ spoke. So the question was, because, you know, he had made a couple of tweets that, like, you know, Wes never apologized to him, like, you know, centering himself. And so Andy was like, by the way, have you heard from Wes? And KJ was like, actually, yes. He texted me after the reunion. But, you know, I had such bad anxiety. It's literally like I haven't even opened it. It's been unopened in my phone for the last week.

52:39Claudia Oshry:Yeah, this is what he said. He said, I didn't even look at the message. I was a bit scared to look at it. I still haven't looked at it. There's only one unread message in my inbox and it's his. So then Andy.

52:47Jackie Oshry:Then like Andy asked. But then Andy was also like, you don't have to. Because it really was like an invasion. KJ was more than happy to do it. Which like, that's your friend. And I know Wes has made a lot of mistakes. But it's kind of like what we say about Jesse. Like, if that's your best friend, like, of course you can hold him accountable. But you don't have to like leave him out to dry. And it just felt like KJ like was just a little too excited to like, I don't know, expose his friend when in the at the end of the day West's text was actually quite lovely yeah this is what the text was so personal and it really should not have been read no and it's like it's worse that

53:19Claudia Oshry:KJ hadn't read it before because it's like you don't know what's in there and you're really

53:23Jackie Oshry:going to read this live on television they went to an audience Q &A and Andy said read it and if you don't want to share it you don't have to um but if you want to you can and so he read it and then said he wanted to share it this is it I wanted to thank you for your articulation and

53:36Claudia Oshry:kindness yesterday despite being hurt I've been off social and I think I lost touch with how much hurt there was. I'm incredibly sorry. Also sending you love in regards to your mental health. You shared a lot yesterday and I know it mightn't carry much weight now, but I'm always rooting for the best for you. I know it will take some time, but whenever you feel like you're ready, lunch or a phone call would mean a lot in the spirit of healing. No need to respond. Take your time. After he shared the text, KJ admitted that it hurt to review that. He said it just hurts because it's like me and him were so close.

54:05Jackie Oshry:I mean, as terms in terms of like how apology text can go that's a pretty stellar one if i'm being honest so the reading of it on tv i just feel i honestly thought it was really unnecessary and rude and i felt like andy regretted asking kj to do that and so he said like you don't have to but kj was like genuinely more than happy to um i don't know i just didn't like it like no it's a bad look i especially like you came on the show as kj's as west's friend they have prior history prior history are they both fromst louis or like they have something um i don't know i just it was icky it was mean and like not me here defending west like west is on his podcast with sophie cunningham like i saw club this morning business as usual just talking about the reunion and the leaks like in a very um like sober way

54:51Claudia Oshry:and unemotional he talked about the reunion he said it was like just very dark form of therapy you know there's never really a situation in life where you are exposed to hearing like how much how much your actions like affect everybody so like it's just a lot but you know time will start to heal and the reunion this is just the first step which is true um and as much as like they did a bad thing they did do a bad thing like everybody else making it about them being like so affected it's just a lot you know and yeah I feel like with Scandaval that happened a lot the two of them had been together for like 10 years and Lala and everybody like making the moment about like their podcast and whatnot and everybody was so mad because they were like deceived for a very long time him and ariana were together for 10 years they were hooking up during the season like it was the deception was insane like deep psychopathic levels you could never trust these people again um i do believe the timeline of amanda and west i think they had like a month or so where they were lying about it because they were trying to figure it out and like why do you need to tell someone like i understand they shouldn't have lied i understand why they did but that's not what they should have done.

55:57Claudia Oshry:And it's just everyone just doing like the most and like being so hurt. Like just stop.

56:03Jackie Oshry:Well, Jesse Solomon was like breaking my heart on last night's episode because I'm telling you, he's in like his sad boy era. There's just like a, there's a brokenness inside of him. And last night he was like, you know what it is? It's like, I just feel so lonely. And I think I'm like trying to fix that with these relationships and I keep going after the wrong people like Sierra. But there's like a brokenness inside of me that I need to fix. It was quite self-reflective. He also brought everyone to this camp.

56:29Claudia Oshry:Well, you know who would have been there for him?

56:31Jackie Oshry:Lexi. He brought everyone to this camp where kids with cancer can go and spend the summers with their siblings. And it was so cute. They all were volunteering. It was actually so sweet. I forgot that about Jesse, that he had cancer. And it was just like, I don't know if he went to this camp, what his connection was, but it was really sweet. That is really sweet. The big banner moment from the episode is that they do a beach day and everyone's talking about everyone. Mia and Amanda are sitting on beach chairs is just talking about like you know it feels like sierra and west are like kind of moving quickly back to something because you know they had that double date or like it's just like and they're talking about how you know he needs to be so different and amanda's like and like she's such a special type this is what amanda said like sierra's such a special type of girl like he has to do a complete like you know 180 uh lobotomy like to be right for her and if he doesn't like you don't understand like i ride for sierra like if sierra said to me like we're cutting off west Like I would never talk to West again.

57:23Jackie Oshry:Yeah. It was really crazy. Yeah.

57:25Claudia Oshry:That's what's crazy about this season. It's just like watching how far she digs this hole for herself.

57:31Jackie Oshry:And the editing is now you can tell, like this is so post Skamandabal editing because everything, every time West does something, they cut to Amanda. Every time Amanda, like they're being really funny about it. And like the, just the music, like when she said that it was like, Oh my God. Yeah.

57:49Claudia Oshry:but it wasn't like a crazy episode okay well the big driveway fight happens next week and i don't

57:54Jackie Oshry:even know why carl and kyle would be fighting because kyle gets so upset at this dinner they're having dinner in the house um because everyone's attacking him for like djing and not being like a real and i get like he can't articulate his emotions but but now knowing what we know he's basically saying like oh you're all coming at me for like not being a family man but like she doesn't even want to have a family with me like we're not in a real marriage like this is fraudulent but instead he just says fuck you to Amanda and so everybody's like girl are you okay so he storms out and Carl chases after him trying to calm him down and then I guess next week we'll see like him calming him down turns into a fight between the two of them

58:28Claudia Oshry:I have no idea yeah no it's crazy what the like reaction would have been to Carl Kyle this morning had Wes Mandeville not happen because yeah that's a horrible thing to say to your wife

58:38Jackie Oshry:of course and it was just like the way he said it also was like extremely it was like fuck you yeah like it was like he meant It was chilling.

58:45Claudia Oshry:Every syllable and every letter. Every consonant. Yeah. So chilling. Yeah. Now everyone's like, yeah, fuck you. Yeah. All right.

58:54Jackie Oshry:Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, where Jackie and I try to help back. And, you know, help out our community. If you guys ever need advice and you think, you know, what would those savvy young things over at The Toast think? Well, you can write us an email, deartoasters at gmail.com or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com to get your submission read online. And, of course, we always keep it anonymous and we'll do our best to help you out. Are you ready, Jax?

59:14Claudia Oshry:I'm ready, turt.

59:17Jackie Oshry:Dear Toasters, this is an emergency. Please help me. Here's some context. My husband and I have an 11-week-old daughter. My husband's grandfather has been in prison for five years for sex crimes against a teenager, a teenage relative. He's up for parole this week. My husband and his family believe he is innocent, but he was convicted on multiple counts and has already been denied parole twice. If he's released, he will move in with my in-laws and be registered as a tier three sex offender. this means a registered sex offender could be living in the same home where our daughter would normally go for holidays parties and sleepovers and my husband's family's acting like this is not a concern how do i keep my daughter safe in this situation like no it's it's giving no contact i'm sorry you'll have to go you'll have to go somewhere else for the holidays it's giving no is a full sentence yeah i don't think you need to explain yourself it's nice that they believe he's innocent and let's say worst case scenario he is like you did everything you can to protect your daughter Like you shouldn't feel bad about that for one second.

1:00:09Jackie Oshry:Like good, good day, sir.

1:00:11Claudia Oshry:It's, it's going to be a no for me. You could have Christmas at your house, invite your in-laws. Of course. Everyone's welcome. Except grandpa.

1:00:22Claudia Oshry:No, kindly. No.

1:00:25Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Oh, and your husband's going to have to get on board real fucking quick.

1:00:28Claudia Oshry:Oh yeah.

1:00:30Jackie Oshry:This needs to be like, you can't even negotiate. Not even like, okay, we'll stay for like an hour.

1:00:33Claudia Oshry:And he never is like, it gets to hold the baby. She can be on my lap.

1:00:36Jackie Oshry:No, no. you'll host at your house you can go to your family's just take a vacation i don't give a fuck okay yeah no that was an easy one yeah hey girlies i need advice on what to do my husband and i moved into a new house and while unpacking some boxes i found a bunch of old notebooks while flipping through them to see if they were anything important i found that one one that appeared to be a journal that my husband kept the last entry was about how unhappy he was in our relationship the entry was dated two months before he proposed we've been now married for two years we have a six month old things between us have been good but i was really sad and surprised to read that just two months before he proposed he was so unhappy it makes me feel icky about the proposal do i bring it up do i let it go since things seem fine and he has not written in it since i don't want him to be angry that i read his journal in the first place thanks irrelevant irrelevant of course given the date and also like you're really not ever allowed to be mad at something someone wrote in their journal because people are allowed to have thoughts yeah and you reading it and i i believe you when you say it was an accident sure it wasn't no i i like

1:01:39Claudia Oshry:of course i want to see who's important like you knew what old okay so you opened it up and you know immediately it was a journal and then you went to the last entry like please be honest with

1:01:49Jackie Oshry:girl we see you we see you it's fine yeah don't lie to us okay lie to your journal um so you can't be mad when you read someone's journal because first of all that's such a fucking invasion of privacy it's like one of the most invasive things you can do sorry you didn't like what you saw but he obviously was just like working through stuff because he did decide to propose and now you have a family and like you say it's all good don't make trouble it's like seriously at one point

1:02:10Claudia Oshry:also like issues that you have before you're engaged like dating issues like they some most of them like work themselves out you know i'm sure i had a thought in college being like oh this guy and it was ben like you know yeah no but like the issues that you have at present whatever they are they're actually like different issues usually than like what it at least for me like then the things when you were dating and so like you guys are a whole new family you're a new couple like it's really irrelevant and sometimes like some things can be solved when you do like decide to commit to somebody you know and like propose and like start a life and start a family and like some of those other things get washed away like it's literally irrelevant yeah and like you what are you gonna say hey I was reading your journal I'm sure if you mentioned it to him he might not even remember what you're talking about he and like he I gather that he's not a person who like

1:03:01Jackie Oshry:continuously and frequently journals so he was just like going through it he had like a rough couple of months and he journaled like yeah or he had a hard day so like he wrote something down

1:03:08Claudia Oshry:because you had a fight or something like irrelevant irrelevant agree jackie's right

1:03:13Jackie Oshry:like premarital relationship issues barring you know like cheating like a serial cheater

1:03:18Claudia Oshry:like they work themselves out like if you found out that two months before you got engaged like ben was like struggling in your relationship like what would that mean to you today i don't know

1:03:28Jackie Oshry:but like it doesn't change where you're at today let me actually think if ben like had written a

1:03:35Claudia Oshry:journal no it would have been fine well you're also like you're very um i'm so emotional yeah you're very intense sensitive yeah i'm very like rational pragmatic yeah and so like even though something i'd heard of i'm like i won't let it if rationally i shouldn't you know yeah and sometimes

1:03:54Jackie Oshry:for me when emotions are involved like ration has no place yeah but like no seriously that was 10

1:04:00Claudia Oshry:years ago if you found out that two months before he was just like having like a bunch of feelings yeah it's fine i guess it would be like sort of disruptive because that's so against your narrative like it's so against like the story of your relationship tell ourselves yeah yeah and so i can understand why for you that would be disruptive but i don't know the story of this girl's relationship a lot of people like you know like bumps like along the way so i don't think that it should be that disruptive but you know what i think for you don't it i can be yes okay thank you that would be like that would be weird to find out because he like proposed so

1:04:35Jackie Oshry:soon so it was like no of course it was a whirlwind romance what are you talking about it's perfect all right our third and final hey girlies so i've been dating my boyfriend for about nine months now everything has been fabulous he's 100 a p job sure we just ran into our first problem and I'm not sure if it's a deal breaker or not. His dad and stepmother had a backyard barbecue over the weekend and this was the first time meeting his side of the family. After dinner, my boyfriend, his brother, and his stepsister and I changed into swimsuits. We had drinks by the pool and the hot tub. After a few drinks, his brother made a joke about my boyfriend sleeping with the stepsister years ago.

1:05:13Jackie Oshry:I was shocked and grossed out. The next day I asked him about it and he explained that they were in college and it was one drawn cookup. I'm still extremely grossed out but i don't know if this is breakup worthy help that's just like so

1:05:24Claudia Oshry:unfortunate because like it's not breakup worthy it's not really like that he hooked up with his

1:05:30Jackie Oshry:step sister but i need to know when the parents got married is this a step sister who you lived in the same house with and grew up with or like when you guys were both grown in college like

1:05:39Claudia Oshry:your parents are dating and so you guys met and like yeah maybe for a minute you're like oh our

1:05:42Jackie Oshry:parents get married and then like we you know yeah uh but or did you guys go to like middle

1:05:47Claudia Oshry:school together and sleep in the same house yeah of course but because if that's the case I just want to say if that's the case that's a deal that's disgusting um but say it's not say it's like their parents met when they were in college so they met yeah I have to say I think it's

1:06:01Jackie Oshry:disgusting and I do think it's a deal breaker I really do and I know it's hard I know it's hard to get a boyfriend and so like we have to be like I think people are too into it culture and deal breaker culture so I try to be you know a little strict with my deal breaker cards but I'm handing

1:06:15Claudia Oshry:you a deal breaker card like I think in no world is this normal sorry I need more backstory and information because it's like like I actually have decided I don't want more backstory and information because I think this is icky like it is it's uncomfortable of course it's uncomfortable it's not ideal and you know if they did do this they should have never told anyone and took it to their graves the fact that the whole family knows that like this is very uncomfortable

1:06:38Jackie Oshry:no and now you have to every family event you're gonna be around a girl that your boyfriend slept with like I'm sorry this is wrong and bad and deal breaker yeah I don't know sorry what if like he's

1:06:50Claudia Oshry:really well unless he's wealthy then the one you know he's not I don't know it's only been nine maybe you could like find other reasons to break up with him you know like like start like making

1:07:05Jackie Oshry:a list I just feel like sleeping with your sister's a pretty good reason I feel good about that

1:07:10Claudia Oshry:We all loved Clueless, okay? Different. Not at all. They actually grew up like siblings. No, they never grew up in the same house. When?

1:07:22Jackie Oshry:No, but he used to come over as the brother. Clueless, by the very unnecessary plot twist, was like, why couldn't he just have been like an intern for the dad? Why did he have to be the dad's ex-wife's kid, right?

1:07:36Claudia Oshry:That's what it was. Yes. but he like came over you know a week every week like as her older brother you know it was a brotherly relationship um he should have just been the neighbor who had like an interest in law yeah and I guess it's like if you're gonna do this it has to be your person like if they're gonna have sex the two of them like they need to get married because then it's fine if they got married their parents are married that's just like a cute funny story yeah um but you can't just do it to have sex like and look at like that was really stupid so it's not even just about the icky that he did that with his sister like that was such a stupid move to have sex with someone that is going to be in your family for a long time and when we talk about like siblings no like step

1:08:19Jackie Oshry:whatever there's only one right way to do it and if you've ever seen the movie because i said so mandy moore starts dating gabriel mocht who has like oh you know who his dad is the guy who's in prison from seventh heaven what's his name uh but he plays Gabriel Mach's dad and Diane Keaton is Mandy Moore's mom and so the two of them start dating and so their parents end up getting set

1:08:40Claudia Oshry:up the kids have to be first okay but like say the parents were first in the movie the parents are meeting so they are like bringing everyone together your boyfriend's son yeah okay it's actually it's not bad it's not bad it's not bad however if they just like had sex once and then both went on their merry way and brought a no those two need to get married now yeah i just

1:09:01Jackie Oshry:want to go back to clueless really quickly because there are so many ways in which it would have been like completely fine if not better because here i have another well it is based on jane austen so oh they were always getting freaky with their cousins yeah probably um okay i have a million

1:09:19Claudia Oshry:alternatives of course i think we were honoring the text it could have been like the neighbor

1:09:23Jackie Oshry:because you know Cher's mom passed away. And so like maybe it was like the neighbor's mom was like best friends with Cher's mom. So like they were like siblings and they grew up sort of like like siblings, neighbors, the mom, they still live next door. And then he also wants to become a lawyer. So he started working for Cher's dad. Cher's dad started, you know, seeing him like a son, the son he never had. I just feel like there was a million fucking ways I could have done it. Yeah, no, they didn't want to is the thing.

1:09:43Claudia Oshry:They didn't want to. Because of course, all of those things would have been easier. You're right. But they wanted a little brother loving. Hollywood is sick. And we've been trying to tell you. Yeah.

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