No, I'm Shy: Wednesday, January 7th, 2026

0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy hump day first hump day of the new year i hope everybody's feeling especially humpy get your pillow humping saddles because it's jackie oh hey jacks how you darn hey koji i'm doing good we are once again simpatico today you guys we are not planning this we're both wearing blue we're both wearing blue i told you i keep it cash on a wednesday so i'm wearing this new cute sweater i got some people do casual fridays jackie does casual wednesday that's when i need a break in my week from all the formality all the collars you are wearing a color but okay it's a colored sweatshirt it's like a quarter's it and i feel cozy you look cozy you look gorgeous thank you so much i love that we're on the same wavelength of blue yeah cerulean it's a blue sort of day you were wearing a sweater handpicked by the people handpicked for you by the people in this room i love that for me yeah i feel like this actually is what meredith whatever her name was talking about priestly like i'm wearing a blue shirt from amazon and at one point this blue was handpicked for me by the people in that room No, and the fact that we think it's a coincidence that we're just wearing this blue when so many decisions and people went into the fact that we're both wearing this blue today.

1:29One thousand percent. That will go down in history as like one of the greatest reads of all time. That and Portia. Kenya Moore. No, why can't? Why am I having a stroke? Phaedra. Phaedra to Kenya. Right. So you could have a child. So he could get a Coke. Like literally read of the century. There's a couple in the Hall of Fame. Oh, of course. Pretty much. I would let Gemma know. That's probably number one over here in these parts. Yeah, definitely. Hall of Fame. We could do a whole episode on that. Patreon. Love that. Today's a Wednesday. We've got great stories. Matthew Coma's putting his foot in the Celebrity Mom Saga, officially making it not fun.

2:05What other of the stories? Gwen is on a podcast. That's always good. Bits and bobs. My headline news today of my personal life is that Max is two months old today. Oh, my God. Okay, let's take a trip down memory lane. It's funny how you really stop like counting weeks and months when, you know, after like second baby, third baby, just like count less and less. Are you doing pictures? Oh, no, I didn't even do those for Harry. I didn't do them either. I started doing them for Harry like the first month, second month, and then I dropped off and it like made me feel really guilty that I didn't do it.

2:40And knowing that I would never have done that like for a second baby, third baby, like why would I do? Like I'm so, I've forgiven myself. It's a new mom thing. Like if you're going to do it, you're only going to do it with your first, but I'm glad to know you didn't do it either. I didn't do it. I'm, I have a couple pictures for like month one, month two. They do nothing for me. Like, okay. They're not like, I have better pictures of just like them at the beach. Like the milestone. Yeah. Like to get them to pose on the blanket. Like it's very difficult. It feels very stage mom too. Remember where you put all like the circles that you're going to put around the block to remember where the blanket is on the day.

3:14Not for me. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad. um but the other day like someone asked me like how many weeks max was and I'm like seven eight joggers I don't know I think he's joggers years old I think he is joggers years old and also you know how the bump app when you're done being pregnant like it starts giving you your toddler your baby is one week old two weeks old because I went flex past my due date and I never updated the bump app like they were sending they just assumed I gave birth on my due date and they were like sending me like his gestational gestational age like on the wrong day so i was like between weeks so just like kind of advanced so today i get to like call it two months zach actually reminded me right of course of course like you're a business owner you're a mother like you can't remember every date but yeah two months is major major well congrats on making it two months thank you that's also like i used to be like okay yeah the baby's two months i have breastfed for two months that's the real milestone yes it is a fabulous milestone So congrats.

4:12And yeah, two months. Huge. Yeah. It's not the biggest one. Like three months is a really big one. Well, actually two months. They do say technically like the newborn phase is eight weeks. That's what people say. Oh, I've heard 12 weeks, three months. I thought it was 12 weeks, three months, obviously. But you're only considered a newborn at like the eight weeks. No, but eight weeks is a milestone like in life for baby. But no, newborn stage is three months. Everything is like zero to three. I'm just letting you know what I heard. So if it's the fourth trimester, the trimesters are roughly 12 weeks.

4:42Simply letting you know what I heard. Simply letting you know the misinformation that you heard. Won't happen again. That you want to send me on the show. You guys, I'm not the only person who says this. I can't wait for the comments to be like, no, I heard that too. Like I'm telling you. It's like what people say. On this huge platform, while the bump app didn't say it, like you're no longer a newborn. Should we ask chat? Okay. Let's settle this with chat. Even though if we both put it into chat. How long is a baby considered a newborn for?

5:11it'll probably give us different answers wow what a baby's considered a newborn from birth until 28 days four weeks okay four weeks so one to three months is often called an infant and then three to 12 is still an infant but no longer a newborn so three being the pediatricians use four weeks okay that's wrong okay so you didn't understand the question yeah chat is getting so dumb i'm actually about like thinking about making the switch two i've heard good things about grok Is there a Grok app? There is. No, that's the thing. I always thought Grok was like a part of Twitter. I'm like, okay, well, I'm not going to like tweet out my thoughts.

5:43That would be so embarrassing. Like what is one plus three? So then I heard Grok has an extra app, like something separate is what I heard. Okay. Yeah. Try it. What are you doing? I'm hearing like a little echo. Oh, I thought you were messing with my headphones. No, I would never do that to you. I know how important your headphones are to you. Well, yeah, they are. I'm hearing a little echo. I think maybe you're just like having like postpartum paranoia. I just am hearing a vibration on the table. Maybe you're just like. Am I screaming? You're shaking the roof off this place. Am I screaming? No.

6:16I mean, if I'm the only one, then ignore me. Maybe I should put my headphones on. Maybe she's experiencing postpartum psychosis. Even though I was. I've heard it starts at two months. Even though I was like feeling my hair do for that. No, you look super cute. Don't put the headphones on. Okay, she said don't put the headphones on. It's actually a crazy thing to like make a major change to your look in the middle of the podcast. Because we look at the monitors before we're comfortable. Even if we don't love it, like we know it. It's familiar. To make a big shift, like putting your hair up or taking your hair down in the middle of the podcast.

6:42It's just not done. Okay. So I'm not going to do it. I'm going to ignore whatever I'm hearing. The voice is in my head. Listen. Just a little schizophrenia, you know? Yeah. But it's there. They're real. It's kind of like the Lord. It's always with you. Like you. Jesus. Yeah. so I have this thing where like and most of the time I wear my hair down middle part like most of my hair in front and when I try to like describe this Luke it's not like a style and I call it the Jesus look because this is how Jesus Christ wore his hair straight middle part I have a cowlick the only thing hair in front it's the only thing separating me from Jesus like behind the ear yeah the only thing separating me from Jesus is I have a cowlick and he doesn't so I'm like that's what's stopping me from having a perfect middle part a perfect Jesus look right where's your cowlick Oh, you don't know about my cowlick?

7:27In the back? Yeah. So like I would say the first two thirds of my part are dead center straight. And then the back? It goes sideways. Do not look at the back of my part. I don't look at the back of my part. It's none of my business. It goes sideways. The back of your head is none of your business. If God wanted you to see it, he would make it visible to you. Right. He would give me eyes over there. He would give you eyes in the back of your head. What is that from? The back of your head is ridiculous. Like a sketch. Yeah, but like from what show? Like something. Not SNL. Can I have your number?

7:56Yeah, what's the... It's, um... It's, like, Mad? Mad TV, Mad TV. Yeah, okay, okay. Yep, good job. That was everything to me growing up. Was it? Oh, Mad, that sketch? You were watching Mad TV. No, I was watching that sketch on YouTube. That's so funny as a young child. Not me, like, quoting Mad TV. I've never seen that show. And also, like, Key and Peele. I've never seen that either. But people already, like... Aaron. Jay Quelland. Yeah, you are that skit. Aaron. Like, you read things phonetically. like you read things phonetically so that yeah like toast welcome to the toast a there's a key and peel sketch ben was like very jay quellin you're jay quellin i'm claudia claudia i can't really fuck that up you could no yeah i'm saying as a fucker upper yeah claudia is pretty straightforward aaron i love that yeah they have it whitney lay of it correct tailored different yeah this is a a phonetic show it is it's hooked on phonic why are you looking at me like that i don't know why you are looking at me weird right i'm not i just like have a lot going on i put on headphones yeah is everything okay are we still stable it's giving the integrated interface today like you're being weird i'm not but how do my headphones look without like i just you know i don't like to talk about the show so much like i actually agree it's not like my favorite thing you look gorgeous that's why i was just trying to like wing it i feel blind it was crazy for you to put the headphones on in the middle of the show i feel like a blind person okay should we turn the monitor on and like just to take a look even though i don't really care about like my looks on the show right now because if i did i would be we can't be in a place very unhappy right we can't be in a place where we're caring but i do like want to make sure i'm not alfalfa you're not alfalfa you don't have like a big hair sticking out of your head alfalfa is such a good reference agreed what is that little rascals um yeah okay adorable yeah anybody who's ever had like one hair out of place is an alfalfa alfalfa energy this year alfalfa ate with that because one thing about alfalfa he didn't give a fuck and he was not a shallow person or else he would have slicked his fucking hair back yeah you know but i think like the sprout was the look i also think the sprout was symbolic like a metaphorical sprout because he was constantly blooming where he was planted and he was a leader yeah a leader in his community a role model for young men today and those rascals needed leadership that movie's really good little rascals it is i get it confused with little giants which Olivia's family's obsessed with it.

10:20I don't think I've seen that one. You have. The annexation of Puerto Rico. Oh, the annexation of Puerto Rico. Yeah. Yeah. Always a sleigh. Constantly. What do you think about the annexation of Puerto Rico? You mean in terms of Puerto Rico? Your geopolitical ideologies. I feel like whatever situation we have now seems to be working for everyone. And when you say the annexation of Puerto Rico, what does that mean? Like they're on their own? They're no longer with us? No, no, no. We would annex them completely. They would be a state. Oh, no. I don't think that's necessary. And I don't think they want that either.

10:49Do they pay taxes? No, that's why the Paul brothers live there. So what do, what does the U.S. gain from their partnership? I know. U.S. citizens can travel to that beautiful place without a passport. That's definitely huge. That's major. I think there's, you know, some trade. Some trade. And then I actually recently had lunch, not recently, like 10 years ago, had lunch with a native Puerto Rican. And she was explaining that, like, they don't want it either. They're happy with the way that it is. Like, it's good. It seems like everybody's happy. Yeah, it's not like something that gets talked about a lot.

11:23Yeah. So let's like let sleeping dogs lie. Viva Puerto Rico, you know, as I'm always saying. So we will not annex Puerto Rico any further. Correct. Than has already been annexed. There is chat about annexing Hawaii. Hawaii is a state. Oh, sorry. Anti-annexing. What's the opposite? De-annex? De-annex. Like when you just like sort of set them free. There's chatter about that on TikTok. And I think the people of Hawaii are actually down. Like they do not want to be apart anymore. I could understand that. And then when you look at a map, and I only recently learned how random the location of Hawaii is and how like not with us they are.

12:01And I would be down for that. And I have no stake if that's what they want. Like I think they're probably good. I would be open to the idea because geographically it doesn't make a ton of sense. Same. Let's talk about Alaska. Yeah, but I just feel like the people in Alaska are very much the elk of Americans. And I feel like the people of Hawaii, like they never really wanted to be with us. And they speak their own language, their own culture. I don't know the backstory, but something about it like does make sense. But Alaska, you know, is geographically closer to Russia. Yeah, but I don't know.

12:31The continental U.S. Nobody talks about the cultural impact of Sarah Palin on like the Alaskan people, because to me, Alaska is so American. Like somebody from Alaska was almost vice president. You know what I mean? Oh, I thought you were going to say because she put us on to the fact that they're close to Russia when she said she could see Russia from her window. One thousand percent. That actually was crazy if she could see Russia from her window. No, but then it wound up being kind of applicable a couple of years ago when Russia was in the mix against it. It's like, wait, part of us. Everyone, let's go to Sarah's house to see what's happening.

12:58Part of us, the U.S., is very close to Russia and at risk of Russian retaliation. Right. And then I feel like I wasn't old enough to really understand at the time how crazy it was that Bristol Palin got pregnant during that time. Yeah. That was shocking. That was a cultural shift. It was. And I didn't really understand it. I still don't, but. What's to understand? Like how crazy it was. She got pregnant. But like at the time when her mom was running for vice president. Is that right? I think. And I feel like it was an episode of Veep. Like when they all found out. Like they were probably freaking.

13:25Yeah. So that's your geopolitical segment for the day. Can't wait to read all the hate comments coming from Hawaii. Hawaii is like a very touchy subject. Okay. Yeah. At least it is on TikTok. I could understand. I could see why. And I don't know enough about it to touch on it in the touchiness. All I know is that I stand with the people of, and don't call it Hawaii. Hawaii? Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I support. I support. I also support you. I support us. I support the Fast Five. And that's my segue for today. You want to get into the stories. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into. No, I do. I just like know how much love there is for the pre-Fast Five banter.

14:08and as a people pleaser, I just like want to give the people what they want. Let's keep going. But when I reflect on what more I have to give to the pretty fast five banter, nothing like really comes to mind. I personally had shifted because I was running on empty, like talking about Bristol Bailin, okay? So if you do want to continue it, you are just going to have to like, tell me what you want to talk about. I'm going to have to go in on my own. No, no, no. I'll be there for you, but you are going to have to like provide the topics. For sure. Now it's just like a lot of pressure that like what I have to say is more interesting than the Fast Five.

14:39But you know what? I feel like as always, the Fast Five are a conduit to more banter. A gateway. And if there's anything that comes up, I will feel free to use my voice on my platform and make mention of it. And I know you're always feeling shy, so don't. You're shy. You guys. No, no. I recently discovered. No. That's it. That's all I'm going to say. Okay. That Claudia is shy. Okay, sure. Fine. You know what? guilty. I've always been the one who's worn my shyness on my sleeve. I'm always like, I'm shy. And I mean that. Like, I am shy. I recently learned about my sister that she is shy. Okay. Yeah, I'm shy.

15:16Jackie wants to throw me into, like, the most craziest social situation. And then I was like, I kind of don't want to. And she was like, you're shy. Like, okay, sure. That's not what happened. I'm shy. Sure. I don't want to get into it. Sure. You know what? Because you're too shy to get into it. Yeah, I'm shy. I'm shy, everyone. Claudia's shy. You got me. I'm the big shy girl. I never would have thought. Just call me shy. That I am less shy than you. Yeah. Yeah, you guys. I'm shy. Like, after all these years, how you don't know that about me is insane. So you agree? Yeah. You're really shy? Yeah, I'm shy.

15:52Okay. I'm shy. Hi, I'm shy. What's your name? Less shy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Less shy. Still shy, but less than me. I'm so shy. I mean, my whole life I've described you. I'm like, my sister Claudia, she's so outgoing. And all of this because Jackie was encouraging me to do something so insane. And by the way, I did it. We can't get into the details. We can't. But we can get into the fast five stories that you need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Nanit. What a perfect sponsor to celebrate my milestone today. Nanit is one of my favorite baby products of all time. It is the goaded baby camera.

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21:31It is just a great product for your pup. And they deserve the world. They deserve the best. And they deserve tasty meals. First story, a little update in the mom drama. Mom talk 2.0. This is like mom talk for people on reels. This is mom talk for celebrities. That's what I said yesterday. No, but like the content, it's like for people on reels. It's not on TikTok. I feel like I'm missing stuff on TikTok. No. Sammy Ryan like posted a TikTok. Who's that? She's the member of the mom group with tattoos. Oh, what did she say? And she was like lip syncing to Meg Thee Stallion. Like, fuck you. Hyping herself up.

22:07Like, you're the worst. I hate you. Love that. love that just kidding but it was like a megan the stallion lyric that was like cutting clapping back yeah perhaps i don't know now matthew coma is responding to ashley tisdale's toxic mom group essay with a clap back of his own he posted those who don't know matthew coma is hillary duff's husband hillary duff's husband he's like a music wonder allegedly he's always in the news for things that he says he's very opinionated yeah i feel like we're always talking at him not like as regards to his work but just he's always like starting stuff he loves to be snappy he uses social media I feel like a lot of the times where Hillary can't speak or won't speak she speaks through him because I have to imagine what he posted was sanctioned by Hill well I don't think she could stop him but like I do no I don't think so like you can't stop Matthew Koma he really pops off often yeah and here he goes again he posted a picture of himself and like photoshopped a fake headline on top that like looked like the cut article and said when you're the most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers so it seems as though he's calling ashley tisdale the most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth and other and that's why started leaving her out because they were focusing their shift to their actual toddlers now this kind of feels like what we said yesterday like they just weren't vibing with her and they decided to move on and so up until this point it was very much like team the other women but something about like your husband stepping in like this is very much like a women's issue I kind of get the ick like I appreciate because we didn't need to know we really did the clarity um and Camp Tisdale seems to be backtracking and big time this is about another mom group that Ashley's in not the celebrity mom group even though she literally doesn't follow half of them on Instagram now they were like best friends forever they all went to Ojai I learned more about the situation after the episode yesterday looking at like who the people are um and the girls who like i would think would be like the mean ones in this situation there was like one girl i'm like oh it's totally her she doesn't follow them so like obviously there's bad blood now her publicist is trying to say no it's a different group wait so she has bad blood with two groups that's weird right and matthew coma is bringing it back to say no no this is the hillary duff group and it's very much duff v tisdale the tisdale response is so strange because it's clear like all she wanted was attention about this story she wrote about it not once but twice posted about it like multiple times and she got the attention that she wanted now we're all looking into what she's saying and the results aren't what i think she had hoped because i don't think most people are on her side so now she's backtracking it's a very weird pick me behavior and i'm getting the vibe that like as we predicted she definitely seems insufferable that's what matthew coma is kind of saying to us but it already didn't like feel like so much like a fair fight because it's like all the girls against one and now like her husband's getting involved it feels like housewives like when the husband gets involved and like nobody else's husband involved it gives me the ick i don't know i'm not like loving i like that matthew coma responded and like confirmed like yes this is about this group and they left her because she sucks but i don't know when a boy gets involved it's like what are you doing here i agree like pick on someone your own size like men and women's sports agree this is a man and women's sports it's true like it's just not for you and i feel like the second he got involved, at first I saw it, I was like, ooh, juicy.

25:27And then the more I sat with it, I'm like, I'm no longer having fun. Yeah, I appreciated the initial juice. And you know what? Like, I just, this came from Hillary. Like, I don't agree with you that like anything he posts is not sanctioned by her. Like, she's so famous. So she was okay with him. I don't think she like wrote it herself. No, no. He was like, babe, I'm going to post this. And she was like, sure, whatever. I literally don't think she cares. And I just wish like if they were going to respond, like one of the women respond. It would have gotten just as much. Brian seems to have. Yeah, but in a very thinly veiled way.

25:56Like a laugh. You could say like, oh, I just like this song. Just like we were talking about Brianna Chicken Fry. Right. You can master a lip sync. Doesn't this is a very clear. It's a cut. It's clearly about. And so I just wish someone else had posted it. That's like the only thing up until this point. I was like writing for the other girls. You feel like devil's advocate for coma's advocate here. Like if someone is trashing your wife, don't you feel like it could be a husband's responsibility to step in and like defend your wife? I do except if someone was like writing articles about you and how you were there feeling yeah I would love to see Ben step up and call them the most insufferable person on earth I would respect that okay that's actually true yeah and I actually think that's a great example because like Hillary's super famous and like Matthew's famous but like less very similar to Ben and I so the dynamics do apply no sometimes we make like analogies and they don't this is a perfect analogy I am Hillary Duff like a former friend of yours who's a woke and now she's crying on a press tour crying writing about her feelings.

26:56No, Ben has to get in there and check that bag. It's like you're too big and too famous and like you're not going to respond to this sad little person. But it's not beneath my less famous husband. Yeah, and like men should stick up for their wives. No, you know what? You're 100 % right. Something about like men getting involved in women fighting. The housewives fan in me. Well, the thing is you can't apply it to housewives actually. That's really great that you bring that up because the housewives are like have a set of rules that they abide by and it's no husbands because if the The husbands took up for their wives every time someone called them a mean name.

27:25It would be the house husbands. The house husbands. No, they follow a strict code of conduct. In order to keep the show the show, husbands can't get involved. Even though you want to, you want to support your life, you can't. You're right. So it's not housewives. Okay. It's real people's wives. Okay. So the ick factor is subsiding. And I'm glad that we were right. Like what he said is what we said yesterday. Sometimes a friendship doesn't serve you because you find someone annoying. You find them stupid. You find them, whatever. And it's clear that they found her self-centered. Very Sharpay of her.

27:58So Sharpay coded. So Sharpay coded. So that's the latest on the drums. Yeah. Check back in tomorrow. Yeah, it's kind of an ever-evolving story. Yeah. There's so many players, so many social media accounts to post from. Well, now there's also Hayley Duff. So Hayley Duff is obviously Hillary's less famous sister. she liked Ashley Tisdale's post promoting her article on The Cut. We know and we've known for years that Hillary and Haley are not on speaking terms. People are led to believe that it has to do with them having different politics, which would be so crazy. That's never been confirmed, by the way.

28:34This would be like the second allegation of Hillary falling out over politics. Right. So it's Haley and Ashley MAGA. But Ashley literally said, I'm a registered Democrat. This has nothing to do with politics. Yeah. And if it was politics, Matthew Coma called her most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth. He would have said like bigoted, like, you know. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't read political. No, you're right. But Haley's involvement is curious. Yeah. She's obviously anti-Hillary. And I want to say something. Like, I could be beefing with my sister, like not on speaking terms, for 10 years.

29:06You will never find me siding like publicly with someone who's beefing with my sister. Like, yeah, I hate you. I'll never talk to you again, but you're still my sister. Yeah. So this is like a major loser check. in the column for Haley Duff. There were already a couple of checks in that column because like, you know, I don't like this on Haley's part. I agree. I don't know what happened. Even like family who's not on speaking terms, there is a line. Like you're still family. I agree. So publicly taking Ashley Tisdale's side, like I don't like that. And she knew what she was doing when she liked it.