Podcasting in 4k with Danielle Carolan: Thursday, November 20th, 2025

21:54What was the best person? No, I know. It was interesting. I don't know if this was about Lainey Wilson when she was accepting like her second award of the night. She said something like, and for all of you women eating Cheetos at home, stop pitting people against each other. Women. She said women against each other. So I'm like, shit. Okay. Well, maybe she's talking to us, but I don't care. No, but we're not pitting women against each other. No, we're just pitting women against the men. No, but I'm wondering if that, like what that's about. I mean, is it about what we're talking about? Yeah, maybe it is.

22:19But like, because there is like a lot of, everybody has something to say when she wins. and I think if any of the other people had won, like, I mean, I personally would have had nothing to say if Luke Combs won, if Chris Stapleton won, if Morgan Wallen won. I'm not like a huge Cody Johnson fan. Cody Simpson, you mean? Cody Simpson, yeah. I'm not a huge Cody Simpson fan. I'll never forget that. I'm having literary PTSD. That was so funny. But I understand the hype, do you know what I mean? Yes, of course. So I guess, like, am I the problem? Because I only have a problem with the woman. No, it's so funny.

22:45I literally texted Margo immediately because Sweet Margo was at the CMA. Yes, Margo. Shout out to our sister, Margo, for our sister. For crushing it. Our sister. she interviewed she was on the red carpet she was interviewing she looked sick shout out satchel I had no idea she was like doing all those interviews did you? I literally called her yesterday when she was like walking into the awards I'm like where are you and what are you doing? She's like I'm at the CMAs I told you I was going to Nashville I'm like you didn't tell me you were going to the CMAs hosting a red carpet no she did not not her making a TikTok with Jordan Davis Jordan Davis forgetting all these other names Russell Dickerson like I was shook yes that's who it was Dustin Lynch it was I was really excited for her but I texted her immediately like she was still like in the awards show she FaceTimed me as she's walking out.

23:21She was like, I'm so fucking pissed. Because I texted her, like, not Lainey Sweeping. Yeah. And again, it's like, obviously love Luke. But like you said, it didn't have to be Luke. No, and I'm not like, I'm not this type of person that's mad because like my artist didn't win. Like I can understand if Chris Stapleton had won. I can understand if Morgan Wallen had won. But like, seriously, what is, and it's like, I hate saying it because, and I know this is so repetitive and I apologize, but like, she is wonderful. Like, and I actually thought her performance last night was sick. No, I love her music.

23:48and sing. Hang Tight Honey is one of my favorite songs. She's killer. So I actually feel like giving her these types of awards takes away from that because now it's just giving checked box. And also she was a great host. Can she just be the host? Agreed. She was great. Loved her outfits. The montage in the beginning where she sang with all the artists. Love. That was incredible. But now it's giving I think she feels it too. I would be like fuck. Please don't give it to me. No seriously she must be feeling that way. Now single of the year the nominees were 4x4 by you by of course Lainey Wilson.

24:20Ain't No Love in Oklahoma by Luke Combs. Am I Okay by Meg Maroney. I Never Lie by Zach Topp. You Look Like You Love Me by Ella Langley and Riley Green and that was the winner and I agreed that absolutely should have won. It is so, it's my comfort song. Now I ship these two so hard and I know that there's a very sordid path between them. Like I believe they were like hooking up when the song was being written. Had to have. And he's just like major fuck boy and then Sachi was explaining to me that like he was spotted after his romance with Ella Langley, with Megan Maroney. Yes. And which is just crazy because Megan Maroney and Ella were friends.

24:52I know. Which is like kind of not cool of Megan. And now he's like dating some like, you know, Instagram model. He just is like, he's exactly what you think he's going to do. There's like this really handsome young Southern guy who gets famous. Like. No, for sure. Like he's incredible. It was also so funny when they, they won like two awards last night. Sorry. And I think that they hate each other. No. They were hugging awkwardly. Like, oh my God, it was just awkward. And then Megan's there. I think that they despise each other. I also do feel like Megan is like a really kind person. So I feel like there was just like a little mix up.

25:18Yeah. Maybe it was just like a little bit of confusion. Wait, do you know Megan went to Georgia? She was in my sorority. You're kidding. Yes. What sorority were you in? Kappa Delta. And do you guys have like a hand sign? Yeah. What is it? I'm sure when you went to Georgia. What the hell is that? That's not a sign. It's K and D. But like the triangle has to connect. Is that it? Oh my God. I don't have nerves in my left thumb. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. I can't like move my left thumb. You have to be there. Yeah, right. So just good for you. Seriously, I'm a toast, you know? Yeah. I love it.

25:46Well, thank you for trying. Album of the year. Megan Maroney's Am I Okay? Cold Beer and Country Music, Zach Topp, F1 Trillion by Post Malone. My album of the year. I'm the Problem, Morgan Wallen. And then the winner, Lainey Wilson's World Wind. Like, seriously, just stop. Like, for me, I think we all have our own albums of the year. Mine was personally F1 Trillion. Do you think you should have won? No. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. I'm reasonable enough to admit, like, just because it's my choice doesn't mean I'm the Problem by Morgan Wallen was obviously the album of the year, but not according to these people.

26:16No, it's, that one was, I didn't even know the name of her album this year. I'm not even going to lie. Song of the Year, which I don't know how it's different from Record of the Year, was also You Look Like You Love Me by Red Green. And then Female Vocalist of the Year went to, shockingly, Lainey Wilson. No way. Kelsey Ballerini, Miranda Lambert, Ella Langley, Megan Maroney, and Lainey Wilson were all the nominees. Now, in terms of that group, I actually feel like that's a good, she, yeah, pop off. I wanted Ella Langley. I'm in an Ella Langley mood. Yeah, right. Me too. Or Megan, wait, is Megan Roney?

26:41Yes. Yes. But like, I don't disagree with her winning. Do you know what I mean? Fair. Because vocalists, it's just like literally their vocals. Right. I don't understand some of these. So then you go to male vocalists of the year and it's like, okay, well there's female vocalists of the year and male vocalists of the year and then those two winners, like who's better? And that's the entertainer of the year, right? Yeah. It's like, so that's giving away. So male vocalists went to Cody Johnson. The nominees were Luke Combs, Cody Johnson Chris Stapleton Zach Topp and Morgan Wallen like okay I don't know how you don't give it to Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs like sorry they're the biggest artists in the world they play the same stadium sizes as Beyonce as Ed Sheeran as Taylor Swift like what are we talking about it literally makes no sense I like actually felt so bad for Luke because Luke like goes to all the shows I know and he always shows up he's such a good sport he does his performance like seriously she's pregnant with bangs like it's disgusting she's pregnant with bangs that's hard to pull off she posted on her story I think maybe it was on her close friend story sorry Nico to like be putting you out there.

27:30She was like, I'm thinking of cutting bangs for the CMAs. And I literally responded to her and I said, don't you dare. And she was like, really? I think I'm going to do it. And I'm like, oh, yikes. Okay, awkward. I was so wrong. I just want to put it out there. She looked amazing. They weren't, okay, I thought there was going to be like fringe bangs. Yeah, yeah, no, it was like side bangs. It was side bangs, which I got side bangs when I was in the seventh grade, like right before my bat mitzvah. I can tell you, I don't think I've ever been happier in my whole life. Like, what I thought, you know how like you think your haircut's going to do something for you and then it doesn't?

27:57Yeah. It did exactly what I thought it was going to do and I was so skinny in my badminton. I had like the tiniest arm. What was your theme? Ugh, okay. Sorry, this is like a whole lot. It's kind of like a trauma. I've talked about it extensively on the Patreon because everybody does like kind of like similar themes. There's like kind of corny ones. Everybody's like Broadway or candy bar. Margo's was candy bar. That's cute. And I don't know why with my badminton. So like we went like more abstract. It's not something that like, it's not a theme. Do you know what I mean? Like people do like movies, Hollywood sports.

28:25Like I can't explain it. Like my theme was colors, which is not a theme. And it was like all branded like Color Me Claudia. Oh, okay. Color Me Claudia was the theme. Yeah. But like colors. Saying colors is like random, but Color Me Claudia. It was like a pride event. Honestly, it was so weird. You were from day one. And I like, I felt like we had the idea, like when we were doing like the planning meetings with the party planner and like somebody mentioned it and like we just ran. it and it was like and i didn't like it from the second and like i was just too afraid to say something like it got like it just went off the rails and everybody was like loving and i was like okay i guess we're like fucking around and doing colors like what did you wear like a colorful i wore a yellow dress actually it was ysl like a sleigh ysl and how old are you and you okay so let me tell you so we went to oh you're from florida do you know neiman marcus last call at sawgrass mall it's literally like the most insane you have to like rifle through racks and racks and Max but it's like designer stuff like yeah it's almost like kind of like a TJ Maxx so we found this$1 ,500 YSL dress for$50 okay I would get that too yeah we still have it like it was iconic oh I need to keep it and then vocal band group of the year for the first time ever Old Dominion did not win the Red Clay Strays they're like this new band I never heard of them until last night really yeah I had no idea you've heard them because people are using their sounds on like Instagram like I used them for one recently like it's really calming good chill vibes okay I mean I liked their performance I had no problem with it Although I was really happy That Rascal Flatts Was nominated And I feel like If they ever had a chance to win It would have been this year When they did their Like revamped album They did their tour So I was rooting for them I was wondering If they'd win just for you Yeah right That would be exciting The rest of the awards I don't really care about I'm all sad to say Like I'm just The country awards Haven't been doing it For me recently Because they're just lying No I know It was better though I actually went to the ACM awards Which was really really fun But I feel like The awards are like Really heavy hitting At the CMAs Yeah so Okay Okay, compared to like pop music.

30:15Yeah. Which are like the Grammys? The ACMs or the CMAs? I've heard it's the CMAs. Even though ACMs, please, I want to go back. I think it's the CMAs too. I think it's the CMAs. Like I think Margot like told me that. I was like, what ACMs? Yeah, I think Margot told me that too. She's like, well, CMAs are like kind of like the Grammys. I forget which ones I've been to. I think I've been to both. Did you do a carpet? We've done the toast carpet, which is so much fun. I think that was CMAs. So cool. And then I just went to something in Dallas, which I think was the ACMs. The Sims are in Dallas. Oh, okay, okay.

30:41And they're from too. Right outside of Dallas. Yeah, like in Frisco. Frisco. I was going to say Fresno. Yeah, Frisco. Fresno. Okay, next up. I wanted to talk about this with you. We talked about it last week, like Shay Mitchell launching this skin hairline for kids. And there was a lot of backlash. She went on the Today Show and Jenna Bush Hager was peppering her with kind of - She was. It's not like an investigative show. And I feel like it's kind of soft. Usually you go on and talk about your garden. So I was shook to see her kind of hammering the point. And Shay Mitchell had amazing answers.

31:08And it kind of made me change my opinion on it. What I had said last week was that like, you know, skincare for kids. Well, it's nice because kids are going to use skincare. Might as well give them something safe. I just like, I don't hate Shay Mitchell. I hate the world. You know, I hate that like this is what kids are into. I heard you say this. And I actually, I think it's fine. Like I was in for it. So, but you've changed your mind. Now, my thesis is I don't give a fuck. Like there are kids doing crack. Like for real, put on your skincare mask. Like I'll survive. and hearing her talk about it and like Jenna Bush was like kind of peppering her and Shay was just like very light about the whole thing.

31:42I'm like, yeah, like seriously, who gives a fuck? I saw that deep. No, kids are into skincare and kids always copy their parents and I think about the toys we had growing up. We had like fake makeup palettes. Some of them even have like real gloss, which was like Vaseline or whatever. But like it's always been a thing. Always been a thing and like this is better than makeup in my opinion. And it's not Drunk Elephant. That's exactly what I was going to say. Do you remember on TikTok like a year or two ago all these kids were going viral for their Drunk Elephant skincare And then all these estheticians were like, the ingredients, Drunk Elephant, while the packaging looks like it's for kids, it's actually really advanced, harsh things.

32:13So you know what? Like, I don't give a fuck. No, even I don't use a lot of Drunk Elephant because it's, like, really, like, concentrated. Right. No, it's, like, it's real ingredients. It's not just crap. Oh, it's terrifying. To me, this feels like Claire's. I feel like if Claire's was still open, they would sell fake face masks with, like, panda eyes and, like, ears. They would totally do that. I don't give a fuck. I'm here for it. I think it's the cutest thing. I actually feel so bad that she was getting so much hate. I know. But like here we are. She crushed it on her interview. Although one of the points she made I didn't really agree with.

32:41Okay, what was it? She was basically like that babies, you know, we do skin care from birth. Oh, the skin care from birth. And it's true. Babies love massages and you are supposed to keep their skins like super. Like we're always lathering aqua for Johnson & Johnson. But that's like for like medicinal reasons and you don't do that forever. You just do it like while they're a baby. Okay, because I was like that's weird. No, that was just like a bit of a stretch. I agree with all her points. I'm like, all right, calm down. Calm down. That one's a little. She looks very pretty though, honestly. She made me want to do a pony.

33:04She made me want to buy her skincare. Her skin looked insane. There you go. So, okay, Jenna Bush Hager. Jenna Bush Hager's been getting a lot of news recently. I saw the Minka Kelly thing. That video was weird. She's getting – someone at – is it ABC? Yeah. Someone's telling her, like, go in. NBC. Sorry. They're telling her. But then I saw Minka Kelly, I think yesterday, was on the Drew Barrymore show, talking exclusively about her boyfriend. That is so fucking annoying. I would be pissed. I'm mad. Wait. I just figured out who you look like. And it's a compliment. Normally, I don't like telling people who they look like.

33:31I only get told one person, so I'm curious. Grace Van Patten from Tell Me Lies. No, I'm obsessed. You talk like her too. Who do you get told? Ariana Maddox. Oh. When my hair's like. 1 ,000 % Ariana Maddox, which is also a compliment. No, I'll take it, but love Grace Van Patten. Oh, Ariana Maddox, yeah. That's maybe better than mine. Mine is also like you look like her, but a lot of your mannerisms too. Oh, okay. I think like your tone of voice. Like more like low. Yeah, like monotone a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Claudia. I'm the same way. I like have to stop myself from telling people because they get offended.

34:03That's why I always say, who do people tell you you look like? That's one of my favorite questions. I do love the celebrity doppelganger game, although it's a minefield. Who do people tell you? I've seen Victoria Fuller. Yeah, of course. When I'm skinny, Victoria Fuller. It depends on my weight. When I was in high school, I got told all the time that I looked like Snooki. Oh, my God. Joey must love that. Well, I got told I looked like Snooki because, you know, when Snooki was filming. You do. I see it in the face. When Snooki was filming Jersey Shore, she was chubby. And then, like, halfway through the journey, she, like, went on a crazy way.

34:31La Strana got so skinny. And when she got skinny, nobody told me I looked like Snooki anymore, which was just hurtful. And then as I grew up, I get Victoria Fuller. When I'm heavier, I get Beanie Feldstein, which I don't love. I can't lie. I don't get any ones that are complimentary. And I've also gotten Ricky Lake. Like, seriously, just kill me. No, you're saying heavier. I was dying at Jared Freed's thing. I'm the problem. Not me saying heavy. It is so true. That one cuts. Like, that's tough. This next story broke my heart. Khloe Kardashian, like, told this horrible story. And I feel like when it comes to Lamar Odom and like us looking back on that relationship, I feel like he gets a very like positive retelling.

35:09Like sympathetic. Yes, we look back on it hardiliciously, if you will. Totally. And it's like not. And things like this remind us of that. So she had some particularly challenging moments in her marriage to Lamar Odom. And on her podcast, she shared for the first time that Lamar Odom burned all of her journals, which were memorializing years of her life. and he burned them in front of her while they were together. Odom was, quote, convinced that I was taking notes and sending them to the government or something crazy. That is so sad. I don't journal, do you? No. But I know, like, you put your whole heart into it.

35:43And then it's, you're doing it, obviously, because it feels good, but I think people really do it so that, you know, 20, 30 years later you can go back and read, like, what you were going through. To burn someone's journal, like, I can't think of anything more evil, honestly. And I know that at the time he was – it says he was paranoid. He was obviously on drugs. And, like, you're not yourself and you're, like, in this. But seriously, like, that's – and that's not something – you can, like, break someone's jewelry and, like, buy them a new one. You can't. This is so evil. It's literally a movie scene.

36:11Yeah. Like, the fire is flaming. When you think of, like, seriously, like, something so mean. No. And it actually – you're so right. They are giving him this, like, sympathetic edit. Yes. Empathetic? Whatever. No, both. And, like, yeah, he was just on. And remember, she was, like, giving him his stuff back. And it was, like, it's all sweet. reason right yes they make it sweet and i was like oh and it's nice that they do that i think they care about him but like things like this remind me like it actually like was no and now she doesn't journal anymore she said stop that's so sad she was like i can't journal anymore because she probably thinks someone's gonna burn it it's like ptsd that's really upsetting i would also that's just so vulnerable sometimes we get like dear toaster submissions about people who read their partner's journals and they find out things that they obviously didn't want to hear and like what do they do now that they have this information and i just want to say i wanted to use this story is just a platform to remind someone if you're thinking about reading someone's journal like don't fucking do it no it's their internal thoughts it's literally their intrusive thoughts i know and it's like it is crazy to like put your worst thoughts to paper no i i would literally never i think if i journaled i would like lie to my journal i'd be like yeah i had a salad for lunch today and i'm feeling really good um i would lie for sure and i think some things like belong in your brain do you know what i mean 100 sometimes every now and then i lie to my therapist because i'm too embarrassed do you every now and then like a little fib okay interesting Can you – if you don't mind sharing.

37:25What's the last lie you tell your therapist? Like – that's a good question. Do you do in-person or Zoom therapy? Zoom. But, like, it won't be, like, something to make me sound better. Like, it wouldn't be, like, you know, she said – like, I'm telling her everything if there's, like, a situation. It's more like I feel like there's certain things I keep out because I'm like, eh, she doesn't need to know. Okay. Now let me ask you a question. When you talk to your therapist and it's something that involves – I feel like do you talk a lot about, like, your job or – Yeah. It just depends on the week.

37:52It's like, oh, it's like shitty comments. How do you explain what you do for a living? Especially when you first started therapy. No, it was definitely like scary because my last therapist was like older. Then she retired. She left me. She gave up on you. But this therapist, she is like younger. So she kind of like knew it already, which was also kind of scary for me too. Right. Did she follow you? She didn't say. But then like she actually did say she saw me on someone else's. I was on her feed. I was like, ooh. Oh, that's so crazy. I always think about that. I don't do therapy. and anytime I've ever thought about like starting, well, I would be like, well, how do I explain what I do for a living?

38:25Because most therapists, and I think I would seek out an older therapist that's just more my vibe. You would like that. And I think like I would just be confusing to them. I think you think that, but it is so amazing. I think they also don't care. They seriously love, like you would just feel 10 pounds lighter. The thing is, I'm not anti-therapy at all. No, of course. I think it's amazing. I also think not, I think we got to a place where it was like, everyone needs therapy. Like even if you're in the best place ever, like therapy for everyone. And it's expensive. Let's be real. But I don't think everyone needs therapy.

38:55No, no. I don't think that I need therapy. No, it's if you were thinking about it. Right. Then I think it's good. Yeah. If you're thinking about it, you should do it. But I don't think like – I think for a while I was like, well, if you didn't go to therapy, like that's bad. It's not. No. Oh, my God. I don't think it's bad. That's so not true. If you have – you're also so close with your family and your sisters. You have that. So what I always say is that like I'm not – I don't have a hard time like communicating and identifying my own feelings. And I have like – I'm very blessed that I have like a lot of people in my life who I feel extremely comfortable like opening up like the worst parts of myself to.

39:25So I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that I am about not needing therapy. No. I think you're in a good – it's more of like if someone's ever thinking about it, I'm like you should just do it. You should just try it. Yeah. Like yeah. Well, total like literally 180. But it reminded me I wanted to talk to you about something which reminded me. So what we're going to do, our next story is like a little bit of TikTok drama. Yeah. But we talked extensively on the toast about that whole New York influencers are boring thing. Yes. What did you make of that as a New York influencer? Did you think that person was talking about yourself?

39:52No, not at all. Okay. I didn't think so either. I didn't think – because like the way they described – I was like, no, it's not about me. I was like – I think I commented something. People were like, no, it's not about you. Like that – Okay. Well, that's what Jackie and I were saying. Like the funniest part of that whole New York influencer thing was people being like, this is mean. Like how could you say that about me? It's like, well, we weren't talking about you. Right. Yeah, I don't think I ended up saying it, but I was like, if I were to comment, like, I know someone would be like, girl, it's not you.

40:14Right. It actually made me so sad because I love those girls. Like, I love Bridget and Danielle and, like, whoever they were, like, claiming it's about. It made me sad. I understand what people are thinking. I understand that they're like, you know, it's boring. It's not relatable to see someone wake up for Pilates and then go make a coffee. Then don't walk. Right, right. That's my opinion because I, like, I'm like, wait, but I want to watch because when Bridget wasn't posting, I was like, I miss her content. Right, right. Like that's the type of content you choose to consume. Yeah. I feel like you felt the same, no?

40:41Yeah. I was enjoying watching like just the dumpster fire because that's just like. Of course. When you're like not involved. It's entertaining. When you're involved, it is entertaining. I hate that. I thought that the girl who made the video like was clearly mean and jealous. So jealous. It's so funny. Like I hate, I was just talking about this yesterday. When somebody makes a point and then you like attack the person who made the point, not the point that they made. It's like you don't have anything to say. So I literally just did that. But like I just did think her video was really mean spirited.

41:07Like she gave off like jealous when she energy. She wanted the views. Having said that, like, yes, I heard what she was saying. It is like the same people doing the same thing. It's so fair. And the thing is, I follow all those girls. It's not for me. Like that's not, I'm brunette. And like, I just look, like I don't live there. Like, you know what I mean? But they're nice, well-meaning girls. And it's like, well, just because you have a mean thought about like a, that's what I feel like. TikTok is so, every time somebody thinks they have like a crazy thought, they like make a video on it. Sometimes I like give it a name and be like the influencer theory.

41:32Where do you think you get the worst comments? Like where are you scared of the most? has an anti-Semitism problem for sure. Yeah, 100%. And it's so unregulated and it's so easy to make fake accounts. Instagram takes a lot of good precautions. Like if I block you, then they give you the feature. And other accounts. Block any other accounts that this person makes. They somehow know that like this person and so much of the hate is anonymous. So I, Instagram is amazing like that. I agree. TikTok's so scary. But some people say they hate Instagram. They think Instagram. Yeah, I think it just depends.

42:02I think we have Instagram followers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're a little bit more millennial. Well, me, sorry. How old are you? I'm Gen Z. Technically, I'm 27. Oh, that's amazing. But I feel closer to millennials, if that makes sense. Do you like being 27? How do you feel about your age? I love being 27. I like it better than 26. Interesting. I remember when I found out how old you are, I thought, like, I was like, oh, we're closer in age than I thought. How old did you think I was, older or younger? Well, this was like a while ago, but I thought you were like 30 when we met because you're so mature.

42:28I'm very sophisticated. I get that a lot. And so successful. And I was like, holy shit. That's very sweet. Very sweet. It made me excited for the future. People tell me they think I'm old all the time. I try not to be offended. No, it's literally not an effect. People actually say that to me a lot, too. I don't know. I would have thought you were honestly 25. Oh, you thought I was younger? That's because I associate you with college. Okay, yeah. Smart. Very smart to align yourself with a youthful institution. Goat's wugs. Goat's wugs. No, and I'm definitely one of those, I definitely ride too hard for Georgia sometimes.

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46:27And I remember thinking it's so crazy that Ariana and Brielle would like fly from Atlanta to Arizona to get their hair done and then fly back like these girls. And then all these influencers would literally fly to get their hair done. That's crazy. She became like a famous influencer herself and she has this huge salon. And it's kind of this like very niche part of the internet now. But I just want to say like, if you watched Bravo in the early days, like you knew Chrissy's origins. No, that makes sense. And I feel like she invented the Mormon curls. Yes. Like that came from her. When Jessie came on, I was like, oh, she was definitely studied from the Hair by Chrissy school of hair.

46:57Yeah, for sure. So then, a couple of years ago, Chrissy's like always getting canceled, by the way. This is not Chrissy's first cancellation. But she is getting canceled because this girl made like a testimonial video being like, I got the hair by Chrissy. And you can go to her salon. She has like a ton of other stylists. But you can go to her salon and get, you know, your hair blown out. Or you can pay extra to get it done by Chrissy. Ooh. It's$4 ,000. It's a cheap$4 ,000. For extensions, the whole yada. And by the way, extensions are very expensive. I don't know how much they cost because I don't have extensions.

47:28But I do know it's in the thousands. They're like a thousand. The sew-in. So you're paying more. But still in the realm of what? I imagine like a hair by Chrissy like full head costs maybe like$2 ,000. Yeah. Did you see? There was a price breakdown. Oh, was there? So it was like$2 ,900 for Chrissy service. And then it was like$50 for the conditioner. Oh, I did see that. That's really crazy to charge for conditioner. That's insane. Yeah. Because you know they're probably getting gifting from Hopkins Rams. And I just want to say, I believe it was Milbon conditioner. It was. It was Milbon. Which is what I use.

47:58Oh, so it's good. That made me feel good. You're like, fuck yeah. So this girl made a video being like, I got the 4K,$4 ,000 hair by Chrissy Experience. It was horrible. I never saw Chrissy. She barely touched my hair. And the thing is, if you're going to make a hate video about Chrissy, it's going to take off the internet, especially TikTok. They hate this woman, Chrissy. They start calling her hair by Crispy because all the hair looks fried and crispy. which unfortunately like I hate when somebody slays with a mean nickname like that was so good unfortunately now the video has 30 million views of her like I'm telling you people are obsessed with hair by Chrissy and now it started this whole back and forth between Chrissy Chrissy's trying to prove her you know she's definitely like bouncing back like she's trying to bounce back I'm like what are we doing I'm telling you hair by Chrissy is like a little cockroach you cannot she would survive nuclear war I'm telling you you think like you're gonna cancel hair by Chrissy you're not she has survived worse than this and she will survive I'm telling you people love her hair no and I do have mad respect for that have you ever gotten your hair done by Chrissy no but she dm'd me in 2018 because I saw her name over I was like why do I she's been around forever yes it was probably around the time the beer mints were going to her when I was living in Georgia oh totally you were like a dream client for her that's what Brooke said Brooke's like she's like perfect yes a young southern belle who needs extensions yes I was like bleach blonde but no extensions yet.

49:14She was ready to fry my hair. She messaged me. She kept going back and forth. I was looking at our messages. She offered to fly me out. Oh. I didn't do it because I was like, oh, I'm just like, I'm nothing. Yeah. It is kind of crazy to fly to get your hair done. But I'm so glad I didn't because who knows what trajectory I would have got on. Your life would have been so different. So different. If you had gotten extensions by Chrissy. So different. But I was kind of like, so I'm really cool. So I want to say something that I feel is not going to be popular, but that's what I do here. That's what we do here.

49:39While it's wrong that she paid for the Chrissy experience and got the Chrissy, didn't get Chrissy and got charged for shampoo and conditioner for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure.

49:53If you are a person who spends$4 ,000 on like an internet hair experience and it doesn't go the way that you want, that's not shocking. like not that I'm saying that you deserve it all what happened to you but like I don't know it's it's hard you're not a sympathetic victim to me like if you were sort of you paid that much and we need we need to be smarter than that do you know what I mean we all need to use the internet it's hard it's easy to get swept up in but like I think a little personal accountability needs to be taken here 100 % like you knowingly paid four thousand dollars for like a hairstylist who you found on TikTok and like who does influencers and like has had many cancellations like yeah I'm sorry that that happened to you, but like, what lesson have you learned here today?

50:39No, even like celebrity hairstylists, like, you know, here in the city, like, you know, they charge like a thousand. Yep. So I'm like 4 ,000 smackeroonies. Right. And now I guess, was she in Arizona? Because now she has other salons, apparently. Oh, Chrissy? Yeah, apparently. Let me tell you something about Chrissy. She's a businesswoman. Yeah. She's making merch. Is she? Oh, yeah. She's making hair in 4K merch. Yes, which I think is a little wild. She's trying to make a moment. I agree. She's trying to make like a moment off of this scandal. But you know what? Yeah. she probably she has experience like while these scandals are like tough to go through they ultimately do you know rising tides rise all shides as we like to say yes all press is good press we're talking about Chrissy on the toast like I think she knows that well the only way out is through and you will come out kind of bigger and better on the other side I wonder if she's like in the comments or if like it's her team that's telling her she's a lot of people who work for her no I mean I understand what the girl was saying about like if there's 10 different people touching your hair like the color is gonna look different it's not gonna be matched yeah Which is crazy.

51:31But I feel like I would know going into the price. We've all been there when you're at a store and you're going to buy something. You're like, oh my God, it's way more than I thought. Yes, yes. But with hair, I'm like, if it's$4 ,000. They got to tell you before. Yeah, well, I mentioned you said it was$2 ,900. $2 ,900 for the Chrissy service. Right, which is what she knowingly paid for. Yes. Now, everything on top of that, like the shampoo, the conditioner, the tax, the tip, everything like that. Oh, so yeah, she knew about the$2 ,900, hopefully. She knew she was going to pay$3 ,000. Yeah. Minimum.

51:54She ended up paying for it. Super cheap. Right, but she ended up paying four. So I'm just saying, like, I don't know. You're not a sympathetic victim to me if you're, like, getting internet hair for$3 ,000. Yes, it ended up being four, but, like, so you were paying three. No, 100%. I do – I need to go back and watch the video. Was she, like, being super negative or was she kind of, like, giving her experience? No, no, no. Maybe the hate just, like – No, no, no, no, no. Oh, she was being negative. Yeah, she was, like – I have to rewatch it. Hair by Crispy. Like, oh. So, okay, so she was asking for it.

52:18Because if she was just, like, here's my experience. No, I actually heard the craziest video. Do you remember? I hate to like slander. Like this famous LA facialist. Oh, I know that girl. Victoria? With the serum? Yes. You guys, you have to be really careful. She got like a permanent, like 10 degree burn on her face from a serum that a facialist, like a famous LA facialist used on her. And then the facialist was like, oh, I'll fix it for you. So she went and micro needled the scar. The girl has a permanent scar on her face. And charged her to fix it. Yeah, it's right, right, right. She spent like$30 ,000 on this whole thing.

52:50It's the shape of a P on her cheek. It's like white. Like you can see it's like where she clearly put the dropper. Drop like, yeah. Oops, that's not right. Insane. I literally canceled my facial yesterday because I was like, I'm going on the toast. And I don't want my chemicals. No, these little things. Like you have to be really careful. No, it actually terrified me. And I've like gotten gifting from that brand before. Like I've seen it all. Yeah, you too. What type of extensions do you have? Sewing hair extensions. Do you mind discussing? Are you wearing them right now? I don't mind at all. Very open.

53:16They're sewing extensions. They're from Covenant, Maine. And they are amazing. Like my hair is not damaged in my opinion. I do like a darker route. They're sewn, yeah. I'm literally there every time I go. Like, you know, you're like, I'm getting my extensions bumped up. Right. I don't do that. He takes them out every single time and puts them back in. So I am there for about six, seven hours. And I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't dye my hair. So I don't know if this is a terribly rude question. Are you a natural blonde? No. You're not. No. What's your, like, is your route your real hair color? Yeah.

53:41So it's like not as dark as yours. No, but it's like a light brown. Yeah. Like if I were to let it grow, it's brown. Yeah. Would you ever go back to brown? right before college and it turned like red in the sun and I was like, ooh, that doesn't look good on me. I get a lot of comments. You probably get comments too, like telling you to do something different. I'm like, are you trying to sabotage me? What do you think? Should I try it? So I think that there is a pipeline of girls in their 20s who are blonde forever. Like you don't even know that they're not real blondes who then like for some reason go brown and never go back.

54:13I feel like a great example of that is Danielle Bernstein. Yeah. When we were young, she had platinum blonde hair. It was so – she had three strands of hair. It was so bad for her hair. she stopped dying it I think to like take care of it and then ended up looking so much better like it's insane that she was ever blonde I feel like even though the blonde really works I actually thought you were blonde love do you ever like take a picture of yourself and ask chat gbt to change a color for you no I should okay you know what actually hold on so I have this app because come over here I'm gonna take a picture of you cheese cheese so cute and then you can change the hair color and it uses AI it's a good way to like test no I because well you know obviously we love Hailey Bieber here yes and she did that if anyone can make me do it it's her I'm just like I feel so like I just haven't not been blonde in so long okay hairstyles how do I change a color I do like like I think there's a pipeline where you're like bleach blonde and then I went to like a darker route okay let's go to brown let's see I'm so curious I'm so scared okay that's like not brown enough hold on I need like almost like a like a I don't even know what kind of brown you know what no really can I see let me look dark hold on I'm gonna go darker so I was literally my new hairstylist what do you think of that?

55:20Oh, that looks nice. Is this a good app? I can send you this picture if you want. Yeah. Is this like a chocolatey brown? I don't know. I just feel like it's kind of a rite of passage, like a canon event. You have to let a young girl dye her hair blonde and then like there comes a time where it's like, no, no, I'm brunette. Although I don't really feel that way about you. I'm so, and also like for gals on the go, like Brooke needs to be brunette, I need to be blonde. It's so important that you have two different color hairs when you have a two female hosted podcast. I completely agree. No,

55:48when a clip of us goes viral and people don't know us, they'll always be like, well, the brunette girl is wrong. Or they'll be like, I agree with the redheaded girl. Honestly, it's helpful. It's important to be able to differentiate. And I fear if we had the same color hair, they'd be like, okay, well, the fat girl, that's what I'm afraid of. So Jackie can never dye her hair brown. You also, like, you are not fat. No, I'm breastfeeding. I'm breastfeeding, everyone. I just feel like I need to have a sign on my forehead that says I just had a baby. You know what I mean? I just forget you just had a baby sometimes.

56:14You're so chill about it. I'm so real, you guys. Like you're just like one of the girlies. Yes. And then you like have a child. I can't believe it. Are you ready for our fifth and final story, which does apply to you because it's about college football? Well, it's about a person who's a college footballer. Oh, yes, yes. I'm ready. Bill Belichick is going viral again. Here we go. For his relationship with Jordan Hudson again. He was spotted. They're always going to like weird places together, but I do believe this takes the cake because we forget she's so young. Okay. She was a part of a cheer competition.

56:44and her 75-year-old boyfriend came to support. I have so many questions. So she won a national cheerleading competition in 2021. She competed for a team called Code Black, which is a competitive cheerleading team based in North Carolina. The competition occurred days after the Tar Heels played. So he was in town. Go Tar Heels. No, I'm kidding. I'm so confused because I know she's really young, but she's not in college. And she's 24. She's 24. Right. I watched Cheer on Netflix, So I know that there is no, like, there's no competitive cheerleading after college, which is why, like, so many of these, they go to, like, junior college and then college.

57:21They keep going. So they could perform for, like, six years. Totally. But after you graduate college, there is no career for a cheerleading athlete. Yeah. So how does a 24-year-old compete in cheer? Do you think she's doing, like, the fifth year out? Is it just, like, recreational, like a local league? Or is she in college? I need videos. Like, I was trying to find – Well, did you see her hair at the competition? Yes. Like, she has, like, hardcore cheer hair. It's giving like my mom did my hair. It's giving she's wearing a bump it look. Like it's huge. It's so crazy. And it's a really legit looking competition.

57:49And look, there he is. Like not a shaggy shirt. What is he wearing? Like a shaggy shirt? A sweatshirt. Okay. Yeah, I also feel so bad for the man because like Patriots riding that high like crushed it. And then we got to just do the college football. There's only one place to go. And I feel like kind of a lot of people from that era of like iconic Patriots like went downhill. Like sorry Tom Brady, the roast, Giselle having a baby with another man. and like you're just over here being a freak getting roasted on Netflix. Like I feel like he's kind of had a bit of a downfall. Gronk stays, Killian.

58:17Gronk stopped when he needed to. He stopped when he needed to. I think I saw him on The Masked Singer. Like love that journey for you. I feel like he's done a good job and everybody like loves watching his relationship with Camille on TikTok. Like that's actually, I don't include him in the downfall. I don't either. But it's not looking good for Bill. It's not looking good for Bill. I just, I have like seriously so many questions. Like I need to know what they talk about. I know they were like hot mic'd that one time and like she's just like telling him what to do and like so weird. I forgot about that.

58:41What was that? Like CBS This Morning. It was some interview. Or they were like talking about like his show. He was writing his book. Yeah. Something about that. And she like stepped in as his publicist. I didn't realize she was 24. I thought she was like my age. Yeah, no. And it's like, you know she's young, but he's also really old. So she could be 30 and it would be weird. But no, she's literally not even 25. Her frontal lobe is not fully developed. But like I think they do like care about each other, whether it's platonic or romantically. I just like don't. I like need to know like did she have to convince him?

59:07Like please, babe, like come to my cheer competition. No I think he's like Naturally supportive That's the vibe I get Which is good then If she's for him Honestly he sounds like A great boyfriend Yeah he's like Oh my god that's so What do you think They talk about I like literally don't know Like I feel like She's like trying to be a coach She's like did you watch Yes you did Chad Powers I did watch Chad Powers Although I didn't watch The finale so don't tell me What happened Yeah you need to hold on to it Because there's no more episodes Right no and it was kind of quick How many episodes were there Like six I was so upset I really enjoyed it though So good and they filmed in Athens They did a Georgia game I think it Or was that the finale sorry the school that they play for is South Georgia that's a fake school right?

59:41Yeah it's like a fake school but then they went to go play Georgia I'm like how did they get the license? I don't understand but yeah some of my friends were at that game it was a real game they filmed that. Oh I love when they do like movies and TV shows filming like the Entourage movie like actually filming at the Golden Globes I love that. Yeah like stuff like that is so cool to me. It's just fun It's fun it's real like those aren't extras it's real people in the back. You mean your boyfriend in college? I did at a bar he came right up to me. He was a student as well? He was a student as well he was in a tux.

1:00:04You're giving so much Grace Van Patten right now like talking about college. You like need to stop telling me that because someone's gassing me up. How many years have you guys been together? Six. And you're like, why are you engaged? No, you just moved in together. We did just move in together, which, oh my god, you talking about the food process with Ben is like me with Ryan is fucking blender. Oh, just to make a lot of smoothies? Every morning. Like what greens? What does he... Like banana, strawberry, a little water. But it's... So many pieces. Of course. And it's so many parts. Does he clean it well?

1:00:29No. I'm cleaning it. He just like rinses it. Does Ben clean it well? No. Ben doesn't even put it in the sink. He puts it next to the sink. With his contacts. It's actually so offensive to women. Like, I can't. Even though we have, I hate to say, like, we have been using the food processor a lot because we're starting to, like, make purees for the baby. That's so cute. That doesn't, like, Ben hasn't been using it personally. Oh. Like, we've just been, I've got it out of the box because I needed to puree some carrots. Which is, like, so hard. You know, I'm an amazing mom. How's decorating your new apartment going?

1:00:54It's going really well, actually. So funny. So when I was talking to Margot, I'm like, no, you don't understand. Danielle Caroline's, like, my favorite comfort creator. and she's like you know you literally decorated all of our apartments because your interior designer did margo and then margo's apartment looks so good i'm like wait margo give me that girl's number like you're extremely i know you're an influencer but you're extremely influential thanks claudia i'm so i like i want to see more home decor from you please really yes i really love when you post about like little things don't you feel like it's so i know it's vulnerable i know it's like so stupid but there are certain things like i'll post about if you don't like it like i don't care but like my house like my house is my safe haven no that's fair and so if i'm gonna post it and you're and be like, you should move.

1:01:31I mean, even when I shared my nursery reveal, somebody was like, a lot of people were like, the crib is not centered on the wall and you need to move the carpet. And you know what? They were right, but like so annoying. No, and you definitely have to be ready for that because I'll have people telling me, you need wire covers on your own. I'm like, fuck you. Like I can't. Oh, wires are so annoying. Sorry, I'm saying the F word so much today. No, no, no. Do you curse on your pod? Yeah. Yeah. What days do you release your episodes? On Wednesdays. That's a good day. Yeah, it's a good day. And you guys do a lot of live shows.

1:01:54We do a lot of live shows. Like, I mean, you know, they're so fun. I went to yours last year. They are so fun. They're so fun. They definitely take a lot out of you. And, like, because we really, you know, want to make people buying tickets. Yeah, exactly. I think, like, for a while we got to a place where every podcast had a live show. And I just don't think that's necessary. No. And if you're not going to make it worth people's money, especially our listeners, I think we're a little bit older. A lot of them have kids. So if you, like, get a sitter. Go out. It has to be worth your time. So I appreciate that you put your whole gal on the gussy into your live shows.

1:02:21Oh, thank you. Yeah, we tried to not do like – we tried to make it like segments that are different than the show. Like I like how you guys did the surprise song at the end. Like you have to do something where it's like you don't get on the podcast. Like you have to. Absolutely. Yeah, but we're not touring right now. Now, do you and Brooke ever fight? We get asked this a lot. No, I know. As like people who work together. We are just so honest with each other. So one might – no, we don't fight. We don't fight. It's very much so like, oh, I don't agree with that. Okay, well, can we find a compromise?

1:02:45Right, right. It's very like we're both in therapy. So I feel like it's both of us. Very healthy communicators. It's very healthy communication. Like, also, I have known her literally since I had braces when I was 14. How did you guys meet? In Florida. She, like, we didn't even, like, say where we lived at the time, but she could, like, tell where I was. And she was like, hey, I'm going to be in Florida. And we met up at the mall. Our moms came. Stop. That's so fucking cute. You were 14. I was 14. I think she was 15. And we met up at the mall. It's cute now. I feel like if something like that happened now and you were, like, meeting someone on the internet, it would be like, no, no, no, no.

1:03:13No, no. I feel like now because now we know the scary parts of the internet. Okay, yes. Sorry. And so like you told your mom, you were like, I'm going to meet this girl from the internet. Your mom was like, I have to come. Yes. And her mom was like, I'll be there too. And then we just like sat in the food court. Stop. That's so cute. I know. And then we just, it's actually so crazy. Like she ended up going to the University of Georgia. I was touring. She did? Yes. She went to UGA too. But like, I just go hard for the football system. Right, right, right. But she, like, she is like the reason I'm there because I was touring all the schools.

1:03:40I was touring Alabama. Like I knew I wanted to go to the South. And obviously when I toured there, she was already there. and she showed me a really fucking good time. Wow. That's so cute. I know. I'm like so obsessed. It's so funny. We like go to Georgia games together. So your podcast is called Gals on the Go. You drop episodes every Wednesday. Be sure to tune in, you guys. That's so nice of you. Follow Danielle. I love your content, I have to say. That's so nice. If you're in the mood for like, you know, peaceful, pargy vibes. YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, at Danielle Carolan. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here.

1:04:06It's been a pleasure to sort of close the circle on this. This was so nice to like chat with you. I had so much to say. You crushed the past five. Did I do a good job? Of course. Really? Of course. No, you did not do a bad job. Absolutely not. I feel like you were like really, I feel like I talked a lot. No, I do too. So I just want to say, I am getting like a little bit of hate during this maternity leave because people like Claudia, you have to let the guests talk. And like, I'm really trying. I got a lot of hate with my episode with Zandra, but like she, like I got nervous for her. So I just like talked for her.

1:04:29I do the same thing. I feel the space. I just got that with also Suzy Weiss and I'm like always aware of it and I'm trying. So guys, I'm reading your comments. Thanks so much. I know. No, I'm reading the comments too. and I'm sorry I'm not Joey. I'm sorry I'm not Joey but you know what? I hope I did okay. He is going to love that you said that. I am a new fan of him now. Oh my God. He's everything. I should have brought baguette. Me and Ben want to become his manager. You should. We're like you are going to be a star. We needed like a resurgence for Joey. A thousand percent. Oh my God. He's going to love that.

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