Rachael Kirkael: Wednesday, January 29th, 2025

35:14To get over your ex first. Yeah, like, so I think that's also something that she's really grieving. But it was just kind of sad to see this person who's just been so beat down by the world. And she's such a beautiful girl. Not that, you know, if she weren't beautiful, it wouldn't be sad, but like - That she would deserve it. No kidding. but she's exceptionally beautiful and yeah she doesn't even see herself that way yeah that she's so sweet and kind-hearted this person doesn't have like a mean bone in their body um and that was it's just a very sad situation I don't think Matt James is the devil I think the way that the no posted the breakup was was very wrong and unkind um And she said she has spoken to him since and he regrets that.

36:05And that is what it is. Like, that's the story. I also feel like because it's so fresh, like, it's great that we got the tea in a matter of days. But, like, things like this really require time to heal. I feel like you could tell in a lot of the things that she was saying, like, still very much, like, wanting people to think well of him and not wanting to, like, drag him, which is a really lovely thing to do for somebody you loved for so long. And it's nice to see. But I do think like if there was more there, we would not get it at this stage. Like it was almost too soon to do like a big tell all because you're still very much like in a in a phase of mourning.

36:40You haven't even remotely started healing yet. Yeah, I agree. I feel like I could see in the future like her sharing more nefarious behavior from him. But in this moment, it sounded like she didn't want to make him out to be a villain. And I think that was also her lack of confidence. Maybe she'll see it differently as her confidence grows. She keeps saying like, maybe I missed it. Maybe this was wrong. I shouldn't have done this. Like it was, she was just blaming herself for so many things. And so, yes, maybe in time as she can see it more clearly in hindsight and also can build her confidence back up.

37:13Right. That more, she will share more and maybe see some of these situations a little differently. Yeah, that's like, this is like one of the situations where like once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in like a good relationship which I have faith that she will she will it'll really be such a stark difference like she will see what it's like to be loved by somebody like without conditions without time limits with just like open and hopefully that's the type of relationship she'll find herself in and that I feel like for so many girls when they get out of those relationships where they're just not being treated like the queens that they need to be and it's not until somebody really treats them so normally and well that you realize how bad you had it yeah you've just come to sort of expect this type of treatment yeah also something that she said that I thought was kind of a red flag but then it wasn't followed up with was they were talking about like the food element in the relationship and like the content creation he's a food creator like she would always like pick the restaurants and she like always wanted to do a really good job for him so he had something to post about and she said every meal that they went to in their relationship they were filming I think miserable experience she said every meal and I would I would have just been like every single meal and if so like that's weird that you can't go to one yeah i agree restaurant what if you like a restaurant that's like not that cool and you just like going there or what if you just want to go and post about do you know how many meals i've been to looking like a rat like what if i don't want to film yeah and by the way i'm literally married to most annoying food content creator on the planet but like there are rules right it seems like she just had no say like he was very much in control of every part of the relationship and by the way some people like being in in relationships like that where there's very much like a person in control person making decisions whether it's a man or the woman some people really do like that and some people find comfort in not having to like you know think about a million things like yeah he booked the flights like some people like that um and it seems like that's the type of partner he was and if he had given her just like a little bit more respect and like love she would have been okay with it yeah she just loved him so much with it that's the thing he broke up with her right right right so that's the story on their relationship I feel like it's kind of actually not it's kind of what you expected it's like the relationship ran its course but to me I just got sort of hung up on at the time when he like dumped her on live television and like didn't have her back in that moment even though he knew her as a person you know like do you think she was a bad person this time that you were falling in love with her right um so that he didn't defend her i was like how can she forgive him like how can they recover that and instead it was like it wasn't she forgave him she never held that against him she said ever it was but the person that made her into like she was not healed and it's exactly what you said like that they entered into like the full part of their relationship after the breakup on tv like in just a really bad spot so like they got off on the really like a bad foot yeah and they never corrected it yeah because I think well I think he wasn't helpful in helping her like heal and grow but also she needed to do that too and I don't I don't even know she didn't even say that on the episode I don't know if she realizes that a lot of people are just like surmising that from her performance on the interview you just you read people and she's not reading as somebody who's like overly confident or um she's reading as somebody who's very sensitive and very soft-spoken and has sort of been I don't like to use this phrase but like beaten down a little bit into like this sort of shell of a person that's yeah I said she's been beat down by the world I would I would say that and um I don't know what she was like before she went on the show it'd be interesting to hear from like her family her friends like just to know but um I feel like she's probably always been like relatively soft-spoken but to make like I think she just never forgave herself and you can't live like that and so I it was sad sad yeah that's the takeaway I think yeah for everyone but I think there's um it's easy for people it's funny I the people who are like so quick to like be like Matt James is terrible it's like what were you saying about Rachel four years ago you just like whichever way the wind with the wind yeah it's so true you know yeah are you ready for our next story Yeah.

41:26It's about a big podcast fan. Because Travis Kelsey has revealed that Taylor Swift listens to New Heights every week. They talked about Taylor a lot on this episode of New Heights. Yeah. Travis Kelsey revealed on Wednesday's episode of New Heights how often Taylor listens to the show. He said she listens every week. He told their intern Brandon. So Brandon was talking on the show because apparently Taylor paid him some high compliments about his work on the show. And he said, like, you can't tell me nothing ever again. Like it's over for you bitches. He said she was very complimentary of the show.

41:59She gave us some creative compliments. Let me be very clear. You can't tell me shit for the rest of my fucking life. This is what intern Brandon said. He said, I'm going to be obnoxious. Like, do you know who you're fucking talking to? I was very appreciative of it. When somebody of that creative caliber pays you a compliment, you're like, oh, fuck. True. I don't know why. Like he said, he said he plans to be a complete narcissist from here on out. And you would do it too. I don't know if like if you would ask me do I think Taylor listens to every episode I think I would have said yes like she seems like that type of partner like really supportive yes but it's just crazy but she's also busy like who has the time yeah and it's just crazy when you think about like our husbands never listen to our podcast oh you know what I didn't even think of that in this moment yeah you're right you don't listen to your husband's weekly or that's not true that's not true you don't every episode you don't every single one yeah but actually let me tell you I don't.

42:51When you and Ben were dating, if he had a weekly podcast, you would listen to every single fucking episode. Let's not forget. Taylor and I are in different boats. You know, she's trying to get engaged. I got it. Like I'm chill. I guess maybe if Ben had like started a podcast while we were dating, I would listen. Yeah. For like, first of all, it's a good insight into like, you know, oh, he's talking about this movie he likes. I could be like, oh, I love that movie too. It's like a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet. Also like, what is, is there anything like nefarious he's saying?

43:17Like I need to know. It's a window into his mind, which when you're dating someone, that's all you want. I do think Travis and Taylor are engaged now. But still, like until you're like sat up married for 10 years, like you can't get comfortable. You've got to know. You take every crumb. We just had dinner with Ben's parents and like they love the good guys. They listen every week and they're always like bringing up like that was so funny when Josh said this. And let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about. I literally, I was at dinner the other night. I was just like, oh my God, that was so funny.

43:47I just like nod my head and nobody asked. I know Ben knows that I don't listen, but I think like his parents really sweetly assume that I probably do. And they're like, how funny was that? I'm like, they are so hysterical, those good guys. Like I'm just actually playing a part. That is so funny. And yes, I haven't listened probably since like the, when they first started releasing, I would like listen, just make sure they weren't saying anything crazy. And then they got like a good, so now I don't need to listen. Like they're fly butterfly. Right. Right. So it actually is not surprising that she does listen to every episode, but yes certainly that is commitment but she listens to it seems like she has a lot of time for content because she listens to every album under the sun to know all the lyrics to every word to sing along at award shows it seems like they watch a lot of television travis has said they watch love is blind like if you're got to love is blind you've watched a lot of stuff she reads a lot of books too because i think she also like got to a point in her life where she didn't want to only write music about her own life so she started referencing like great novels and movies and TV shows like everybody knows.

44:45Death by a Thousand Cuts is about that random movie with Gina Rodriguez on Netflix. It was actually really clean. Excuse me. Everyone knows that The Great War is about Matthew and... Mary? Mary from Downton Abbey. I don't believe you. That's what I know. Are you making that up? I've told you that before and you didn't believe me. By the way, I've never heard that. Now I need to look up the lyrics. Even if I made that up or heard it in a dream, I don't want to be corrected. Just like Long Live is about JoJo knows.

45:16what are you seeing i don't know maybe it was ego swinging maybe it was her they didn't have any infidelity oh you're not like googling is this about this no all that bloodshed crimson clover uh-huh sweet dream was over my hand was the one you reached for all throughout the great war always remember tears on the letter i vowed not to cry anymore if we survived the great war no there are definitely parts of it he went to the great he went to world war one which at the time was called the great war because they didn't know there would be world war ii oh i googled great war downtown abbey not realizing great war is like is also a thing okay yeah great war is a historical thing isn't that funny to think about though in the downtown abbey reddit great war from taylor's midnight is allegedly inspired by matthew and mary is there a source to confirm this wait seriously people are just like questioning it so you didn't make it up because i'm seeing it elsewhere it's definitely swirling i love that i could see it just like champagne problems is about seven husbands Dropped your hand while dancing.

46:14That's a theory. I like it. Me too. No, you can definitely tell like sometimes I'm like, oh, I read this book when you're listening. She totally reads like the swirly books. Yeah. Like it ends with us. Totally. Love that movie. So then the other takeaway from this story is that Taylor is in the podcast app. I wonder what else she's clicking around on. Has she seen our big ugly faces? I mean, I don't know how you can miss us. we do so many fucking episodes like it's true unless she like only subscribes to new heights she go it's in her home page or unless like travis like puts it on like a like a video file and just sends it to her like she doesn't actually open the app store it's actually harder to listen to shit that way it's easier they make it so easy on apple podcast or spotify no and by the way to be clear she's watching it like let's be real on youtube totally if i'm listening to something on spotify a podcast then when i get in my car it's playing from the same place i that's like a life hack yeah do you think taylor like pays for spotify she gets a free account like how does that work interesting when you bring billions of streams yeah like actually make you subscribe i don't know just a thought they shouldn't make us subscribe we bring billions of streams bullions what thousand percent are you ready for our next story what number three yeah it's your least favorite kind of news DUI news for Smallville star Tom Welling also known as and I need people to stop calling him smallville star it's Charlie from Cheaper by the Dozen it's Cheaper by the Dozen star Tom Welling from hero to zero arrested for a DUI in the parking lot at Arby's according to police not the Arby's I missed that small but in vital detail according to police records obtained by TMZ he the 47 year old was arrested in Arby's parking lot in Eureka California just Just after midnight.

48:03Eureka. It's okay. How would you pronounce this city? Y-R-E-K-A. Wait, Y-R-E-K-A? Yeah. Eureka. I would, yeah. Just after midnight on Sunday where a local police department picked him up for allegedly driving under the influence, his blood alcohol level was reportedly at or above.08. That's what it means to get a DUI, but I don't know what his actual was. also I'm like obviously I'm never one to you know try and help someone in a DUI but like he was in the parking lot so didn't go anywhere he just have driven there maybe they like got it maybe they pulled him over in the parking lot like yeah like maybe the Arby's people were like there's a drunk guy getting into his car because it sounds like he hadn't like had the opportunity yet to drive under the influence he didn't get drunk at Arby's so how did he get to Arby's by the way what is it just one Arby's in the middle of nowhere maybe there were like other facilities a liquor store a bar yeah yeah chilies they serve alcohol they do maybe had in his car chilies where do you think by the way i found out a fun fact this morning where do you think chilies originated like if you had to guess what u.s city

49:18uh houston it's actually an amazing guess it's dallas oh wow i know i just i didn't know that i deserve points i don't know if what i would have said what do you what would you have said I don't know I feel like it was started in an airport like I don't know I don't know like what's your association like tri-state no it's not tri-state at all no it's airport there's airports everywhere maybe Florida I thought that's what you might say yeah just a fun fact I saw on Facebook I I love fun facts from Facebook I'm like constantly getting targeted with like the most turnt AI news like it's like Bravo AI generated news me too it's all these like clickbait things about page and craig yes and oh we have the same facebook account that's why oh right and it's like madison la croix speaks up against page and like you can't even click anywhere to read what madison la croix originally said it's muckraking at its finest it is are you ready for our next story oh wait back to smallville can we just start really like shame on you do better tom shame on you obviously but like could this be more cliche like you not only you play charlie what was her last name in the movie like he was charlie like he had like a classic american name right cheaper by the dozen let me see the family name baker baker charlie baker like he was just this all american football star he was so fucking hot and then he also had this career as the smallville guy which we never watched but he was like this young heartthrob playing like a neighborhood kid who becomes like superman or whatever and for like him to end up in a dui like it's seriously a tale as old as time like be a little less cliche charlie baker honestly yeah but it's cliche for a reason right now are you ready for our next story no is it our next story that's brought to you by my absolute favorite tv show the flip off yes so we've got something super exciting to tell you guys about the premiere of hgtv's new buzzy series the flip off you don't want to miss it christina hack taras tarik el-moussa sort of american royalty heroes royalty they were married the the king and queen of flipping shows, and then they got divorced.

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54:09Thank you, Tay Nutrition. You're unbelievably welcome. Our next story is a bit of a think piece because a woman has gone viral on TikTok after slamming period piece actors for having Botox and lip fillers. So it's a very interesting debate. Are period actors allowed to look like they've just stepped off a Hollywood red carpet? According to one impassioned TikToker, no, they can't. A TikToker went viral in which she disrespectfully stated that actors cannot star in a period piece if they look like they've had Botox and lip fillers done. She doubled down on her opinion in the caption writing like you should never even get past the audition.

54:46You know I happen to agree with her but I don't know if it's specific to period pieces. First of all like if you're going to be an actor who emotes and your face doesn't move that's just beyond you know contradictory. Oh well that's a separate issue. But I hear what she's saying. I hear what she's saying like in the modern world like we look different than women in the 30s did and that's because a lot of us do preventative Botox filler. Now, I think there is a way in which you, you can look at someone and say, oh my God, they have a ton of filler and Botox. And then you can look at someone and be like, oh, I didn't realize.

55:16And they could have it. So I think I don't think her blanket statement applies here because some actors like have it and we wouldn't even know, you know, maybe like a little bit of lip filler. That's allowed. But I agree, like having these sort of like Instagram model looking people being in a Downton Abbey, like is confusing. yeah no the lip filler is when you can see it like that is confusing I also feel that way about natural breasts if I may oh yeah and I also I do feel like it really enhances the piece when it the people do look authentic I remember what even when I watched 1883 like the girly who totally looks like an Instagram girly but she's also just gorgeous like she had a hairy armpit and that is true to the time authentic and so I am kind of with this person now I don't think that like everyone needs to now be screened for Botox and filler it's like no no no pass can I tell do you look like someone from this age but then it also comes down to hair extensions um another one girl exactly what show she was referencing acrylic nails oh a thousand percent yeah there are a lot of modern day things but then makeup makeup in general they had some makeup right but then it's also like on the costume department to find those things like when you think about Game of Thrones I remember when there was that one water bottle in the background of Game of Thrones and everybody talked about it.

56:30Like that's how committed the show was to being like super authentic to like medieval times or whatever. You didn't see any of that shit. It was natural titties, you know, hair that looked, it was long because not of extensions because like girls didn't cut their hair back then. Like it was very authentic, true to the time. I think that it is an enhancement to the show when you have people who do look true to the time. and I think that period pieces that want to be taken really seriously should aspire to that I agree and I don't think she's wrong but then there's like Bridgerton which is not a period piece that wants to be taken seriously in my opinion okay Bridgerton Bridgerton likes being a modern take like even just everything about it is modern modern yeah that's true I don't think they're trying to be like completely you know London 1800s or whatever it is like authentic Yeah, no, they're not.

57:21They use modern music that's set to orchestral instruments. Like, I think that they like that. So I'm not even considering Bridgerton here because it is like a... I wouldn't call it a period piece. Yeah, no, and there are a lot of things about it that are obviously ahistorical. It's like a utopian historical fiction. Like, that is what it is. But 1883, Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones, like those ones. And they are very serious and they get a lot of acclaim for awards. I feel this. As long as you can't tell that it's filler or Botox, I think, yeah, no extensions. No, the titties is a really good point.

57:56Yeah, that's another one. You know, everybody was drooping low like back in the day. Yeah, and even if it's not a nude scene, like you see it in people's clothes, in their silhouette. Yep. So just something to think about. And I think it could be good for women in Hollywood to not have to keep up with this impossible standard. Yeah, especially as they make more and more recreations. This actually could be setting people free. thousand percent from the shackles of beauty standards it's true let's let's rewind yeah and it is always interesting i could rewind to see what people truly looked like back then how they styled their hair the clothes that they wore without a modern spin on it that's one of my favorite things is like all these like random um like history accounts that either like through ai or like restore old video footage to see what people on the street looked like um and when you take the elevator in one of these old buildings in new york you get to like as you go up you see what new york looks like on this particular street as the time evolves and you see people too and like literally like girlies like were different looking yeah they the way their hair dried was different like they didn't have flat hair how come we all have flat hair now what's that i feel like we've had this conversation too about a lot of i don't think suffered from acne like the not only the air was cleaner but like the they weren't putting so much shit on their face chemicals yeah maybe they had more freckles without sunscreen right it's just very interesting to think about i remember one show i was watching last year i forget which one like they there was a baby in the show and they brought out a baby bottle which but it was like one from 150 years ago it was like this little glass boat and it was just so interesting it must have been an actual like um see that's accurate and it's interesting yes we're here to learn we are here to learn thousand percent so i'm with this girl and so what she said it harshly so what listen up wow i didn't know they were having these types of conversations on tiktok i'm obviously on the wrong side of tiktok because my tiktok is like brain dead i've never heard like anybody having like good intellectual conversations that's on me though that's on my algorithm okay well just talk loudly about how you want more historical factoids on your tiktok i wonder if people with botox should be in period pieces good job are you ready for our final story a little sports sports news.

1:00:12What's going on in the sports world? And I do feel like this is a kickoff to a theme of conversations we're going to be having for the next two weeks. Weeks? Weeks. Which is Super Bowl commercials. So Super Bowl ad prices top eight million dollars as a surge to those Fox sales. So unfortunately, Turdy, we can't get a Super Bowl commercial this year. There's always next year. Okay, we can start fundraising today. But I guess that is hopeful for like the future of cable. I feel like even big cable moments in the last couple of years, like big award shows, like it's all going down. Super Bowl is like the only thing that's going up and that has not been taken over by a streamer.

1:00:48Yeah. The executive vice president of sales at Fox Sports said the Super Bowl is the only place where you can aggregate legitimate scale with one commercial. Yeah. It's not like any other thing. Like one people in that moment, 40 million people will see your commercial. And if it is a successful commercial, it will continue to have impressions online as people talk about it like it's very true I do think it's worth the money it's how a new brand can make a splash if you just like do no other paid advertising for the year save up get a Super Bowl commercial and it's how the old mainstays stay relevant protect the throne no it's so true it's my favorite like and me and Ben were just talking we were like what should we do for the Super Bowl we You can do X, Y, Z.

1:01:31And I'm like, I don't like going to Super Bowl parties because first of all, like I like football. I'm not like other girls. Like I actually want to watch a game. And two, I feel like when you're at a Super Bowl party during the commercials, people like go and talk and are loud. Like you do what you would normally do during a commercial break. And it's like, excuse me, I'm trying to watch. Yeah, you're such a cool girl. I'm so cool. Like I really care about football. Like I really need to be locked in. These are, you guys probably listening. You guys don't understand because I'm not like you. No, and you're such like a media magnate that you need to see all the commercials you're an advertising big wig this is work for me she's Don Draper when she's watching the Super Bowl so yeah we're just gonna have like a low-key Super Bowl at home I agree we were just thinking because when we hosted people to watch a game on Sunday we're like what are we doing for the Super Bowl right and I agree I don't know if I want to have a lot of people over because then I'm like like cooking all day like on Sunday towards the end of my cooking expedition like I was broken like I couldn't do another thing I had a loaf of sourdough that was proofing all day and I couldn't even be bothered to shape it and so I put it in the fridge and it's still in the fridge I have to throw it in the garbage um yeah I couldn't do another thing that's not what I want to do for the Super Bowl I agree I just want to watch it like I would any other football game and like appreciate it a thousand percent it's also just like enjoyable like because I'm not like other girls like I enjoy it so I want to watch it yeah you're so I mentioned you're so yeah okay did i mention that i'm like really into football um i feel like you like alluded to it before right but it wasn't clear i don't like to brag because like all these guys are like wow turn you're so cool like it's it's annoying you know anyways commercials are going for eight million dollars some of them are starting to come out the hellman's one that you alluded to it is out there it's um joe and schmo from blow harry and sally okay yeah i didn't know if it was out because like i was under embargo not me knowing about this for like two weeks and And a special cameo from Sidney Sweeney in the commercial.

1:03:21Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one. Looking forward to it. I'm not the type to watch them before. I want to have the experience. No, it ruins it. Yeah, that's one part of this whole thing that I would pull back on. I don't like when brands show us the commercial before. The element of surprise is fab. No, I mean also they do lead-up campaigns. I know that Uber Eats is doing something with Matthew McConaughey because now they're running like a Matthew McConaughey commercial that teases like coming soon, February 9th. It's like, it's a fucking commercial. Yeah, but they spent a lot of money. That I don't like.

1:03:54I know. If you spend$8 million on something, like you'd want to show it to the world every day. It's becoming a lot. Like you get the four hours of the game, you get the commercials, and like that's all you get. Yeah, and you don't get that. I don't like to give attention to like people who are doing too much, you know? It's true. You have to walk the line. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was on last night and to be honest I'm actually getting so over this current plot line and I'm glad it appears that we put it to bed last night but they took it like one episode too far like I've now been listening to like Kyle and like defend her actions and Dorit being mad at her like I've listened to it the entire season thus far like I haven't heard one other thing the episode parts of the episode that I found really enjoyable were like you know Garcelle and Sutton like really not letting Kyle get away with a singular mishap like when she invited them all out to lunch to apologize even though like she wasn't doing it to apologize she was doing it to like rally the troops um Sutton was like well so what are you apologizing for because she did say it in a weird way like I'm not sorry for what I said I'm sorry for how I said it but I mean what I said but I didn't say it in the way that I wanted to so I actually appreciated Sutton being like you called us here just what the fuck like what are you what are you sorry about yeah and she's just like all of it like which right say it right which part which part and so I appreciated Sutton like making trying to get the apology to be real and earnest but then also then Erica comes in and she really is like such a a compassionate friend because she was like everyone here has been through a divorce like you're at your worst so you didn't act a hundred percent like garcelle writing a whole email to caa like cut the lady some slack and then i feel like okay cut the lady some slack however when she said that i agree with her also needs to cut to read some slack because to read is going through the same thing and because she can't do that for to read why should we do it for her however we should still do it for her because that's called being the bigger person is and I know that we got like some resolute I know we got resolution and like technically this is put to bed but like what Kyle was saying in her side interviews about how like she can't believe she can't be friends with both PK and Dorit like and just something she's gonna have to like deal with like are you fucking serious like and I wish that Dorit would bring up the fact that she has not spoken to Mauricio like since they got divorced because that's what girls do like that's just normal protocol and the way that Kyle's acting like this is such an inconvenience and it's gonna be so challenging and it's so unexpected that she would have to only stay you know Dorit's friend and not PK's in a very contentious divorce like why is she acting like this is her first time on planet earth yeah I don't know why that is so hard for her and why she is really two-faced in her confessionals and with the girls because with the girls like she keeps saying girls girl of course like of course and then in her confessionals she's just like well PK's been a better friend to me and like as if it's not like a blanket I have the woman's side period if i'm dorit and i'm watching that like her confessionals are undoing any ounce of goodwill she's earning on that beach i completely agree so it's like that's that's such frustrating show like tv to watch yeah then we're making resolution just wait for the reunion so honestly i'm so ready to stop talking about these two i don't know what what like comes next but i i can't deal with these two anymore like kyle's seriously egregious and erica every like does make good points i think that she's right like i wish everyone would lay off but when she's you know going in on the argument between Dorit and Kyle I think she gives Kyle like a little too much yeah grace but I agree like her reminding everybody to like give this person grace is helpful because I I don't and I need that reminder but when it comes to Dorit like Kyle's so fucking wrong no and because Kyle won't give Dorit an ounce of grace and then we're expected to give that to Kyle and that's just confusing she wants what she won't give let's talk about that like nasty things Sutton said at Kyle's house when Dorit was telling everybody about Jaguar, Jagger, whatever his name is, asking if her and his dad were getting divorced and Sutton just like completely cut her off.

1:07:39And was like, let's get on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. That was weird. And I do think it is like a Sutton issue because then they flashback. And by the way, whoever's working the flashbacks this season deserves a raise. Kyle obviously like snubbed an editor once who never forgot. and now this editor is like oh this is my opportunity to destroy this woman they're pulling footage that i haven't seen in years like they are not that denise thing not only are they pulling the obvious moments and i'm glad they keep pulling the moment last season where dorit says to kyle i'm having this feeling of our pk and i gonna make it is this how this ends and and then you also see kyle saying dorit never inferred that they had they continue to show that and that is so important but then they just start flashing back when nobody was like holding anyone's feet to the fire Sutton with the robbery which I would have completely forgotten about oh my god same about how her designer was stuck at customs yep and Sutton like does have a pattern of just being like very Sutton focused in um emotional moments which isn't a good trait no but this editor like they are seriously doing the lord's work my the most frustrating thing that Kyle did this episode was like she called that lunch which I love that everybody knew what the lunch was like they were just calling her out but she said she called lunch because we really she needs to have a referendum on how we all you know communicate like with somebody going and it's like well now that it's happening to you right you need to have a referendum but when it was denise but when it was erica with flashback editor showing us that kyle's party line apparently the entire time she's been on the show which is something i never let's talk about it it's not like the most interesting thing that a person could say is that like when something is happening in your personal life we're going to talk about it that's what we do she said like now that it's out there that we have to talk about it so now the rules change because your thing is out there right and i i actually don't see like how she's not self-aware enough to see how hypocritical that is like you look so stupid yeah and janice is right it's like no we don't how about no we don't yeah well now kyle agrees with derit i mean with uh denise and there have been so many things that have happened in their worlds that never came up on the show like uh some of the mauricio rumors that were so squashed so early on like yeah you would be a terrible person to bring never bring it up Dorit's financial issues the woman chasing Dorit around in the Bahamas at the pool and they were filming for that nobody brought it up which like you can have some respect for some of the things that people are going through privately not everything needs to be excavated on the show but Kyle didn't go for that in the past no and Kyle just has a history of you know her mantra is like you know well it's out there yeah well it's out there now a lot of and that morgan wait like a lot of things are out there right right and i just can't deal whenever she talks about morgan way being like my sexuality is being questioned it's like that's actually not what happened you came on the show with a girlfriend you kissed in the music video right and then you said on the reunion that you were confused about your sexuality yeah and it's like she does deserve of like space to figure things out but then why bring her on the show and that's the thing you get no space when you make it a storyline you can't you want you expect nobody to say like who's this lesbian lover of yours matching tattoos no and that's why like garcelle like actually like yeah are you a lesbian or not it's like such a simple question which nobody would ever fucking ask her if she'd never girlfriend and her music video on the show last season right I wouldn't know who Morgan Wade is.

1:11:09Right. So, yeah. It seems like - It wasn't a revolutionary episode. No, not at all. I'm already forgetting everything that happened. It seems like the next half of the season, a lot is going to go down between Sutton and Dorit. Did you see the previews? I didn't, actually. I didn't watch the previews for next week. That's what I'm gleaning. Sutton - At least it's something different. I think Sutton is at the center of things. Well, of course she is, because she keeps inserting herself and wanting to be in on the drama. Like, I'm sure she finally got herself inserted into the drama. Congrats. Well, that's Real Housewives.

1:11:44I feel like there's nothing else, really. Where the hell is Kathy? I was thinking that, too. She's usually there for the big group moments. I miss her. Desperately need her. But other than that, that's the show. That's the toast. The toast. Anything else? No, that's all for now. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast on Monday Morning Show. We deliver the Fast Five stories You need to know every Monday Friday on YouTube So if you're watching us on YouTube Please follow us on subscribe Make us a thumbs up We're also available on this podcast And where podcasts can be found So it's Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, I already cast Fox all the places We have these in the podcast My notes are totally fast We have a beautiful sunny And equally talented we are Love ya Love ya Bye