Rambam and Jon Rahm: Monday, September 8th, 2025

8 Sep 2025 · 1 h 14 min

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The Toast Podcast Notes: Episode - Rambam and Jon Rahm (September 8, 2025)

Episode Overview In this episode of *The Toast*, hosts Jackie and Claudia Oshry engage in lively discussions about celebrity news, personal anecdotes, and their thoughts on pop culture, culminating in a recap of the Netflix documentary "Unknown Number."

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Key Topics Discussed

  1. Personal Updates and Anecdotes
  2. Jackie and Claudia discuss their respective weekends, including:
  3. Jackie attended a Lady Gaga concert, expressing mixed feelings about the experience.
  4. Claudia attended a wedding, reflecting on the experience of having kids at such events.
  1. Lady Gaga Concert Experience
  2. Jackie shares her experience at the concert:
  3. Gaga's performance was structured around filming for the VMAs, leading to confusion among concertgoers.
  4. Jackie found Gaga's artistic vision both impressive and perplexing.
  1. Relationship Speculations
  2. Various celebrity relationship updates:
  3. Glen Powell and Olivia Jade: Spotted together, leading to speculation about their relationship status.
  4. Austin Butler and Emily Ratajkowski: Seen together, with Claudia noting their compatibility.
  5. Olivia Wilde's New Romance: Wilde was spotted with Ellie Goulding’s ex-husband, Casper Jopling.
  1. Logan Paul and Nina Agdal
  2. Discussion about Logan Paul and Nina Agdal's public argument:
  3. The incident was seen as relatable, and the hosts reflect on the dynamics of public relationships.
  4. Jackie expresses suspicion about the nature of their relationship post-argument.
  1. Lifetime Movie: Mommy Meanest
  2. Introduction to the Lifetime movie featuring Lisa Rinna and her daughter, Delilah:
  3. The film is inspired by the real-life events chronicled in "Unknown Number," focusing on themes of cyberbullying and parental involvement.
  4. The episode leads into a discussion of the documentary "Unknown Number," which details a chilling case of a mother cyberbullying her own daughter.

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Recap of "Unknown Number"

Overview of the Documentary

  • The documentary details a case of cyberbullying orchestrated by a mother against her own daughter, Lauren.
  • The mother pretends to be a teenage boy, Owen, creating a series of harassing messages that severely impact her daughter's wellbeing.

Key Discussion Points

  • Impact of Cyberbullying: The profound emotional and psychological effects on Lauren, and how it reflects broader issues of parental influence and responsibility.
  • Mother's Manipulation: The discussion revolves around the mother’s motives, including potential Munchausen syndrome by proxy, and her obsession with controlling her daughter.
  • Investigative Process: The hosts critique the investigation, questioning the failure to quickly identify the mother as the perpetrator.

Final Thoughts and Reactions

  • Jackie makes observations about the unsettling nature of the mother’s actions and the societal implications of such behaviors.
  • The episode concludes with reflections on the documentary’s effectiveness and the real-life consequences of online harassment.

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Conclusion The episode of *The Toast* encapsulates a blend of personal storytelling, celebrity gossip, and a critical examination of serious social issues, making it a compelling listen for fans of pop culture and current events.

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Additional Notes

  • Merch and Patreon: Promotion of *The Toast* merchandise and Patreon page for fans.
  • Host Social Media Handles: Jackie (@JackieOshry), Claudia (@girlwithnojob).

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0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the toast and happy monday it's a fresh start you know life is all about perspective you guys we could be like oh it's monday like i hate my life or we could just be okay you know we could be okay i wasn't even gonna say that because from where i'm sitting i haven't spoken to you since we wrapped the toast on friday like we literally don't talk once again like you failing to communicate yeah no like we've been in the group texts you know around each other but we Just kind of two ships passing in the night. We haven't had like a direct FaceTime all weekend. I guess we're just like so busy.

0:59Busy ladies. No, you don't call me. You saw how tight I got with the boys over the summer. You said I want to drive a wedge between this. And I won't call her anymore. That's not what happened. But you also didn't call me. Yeah, I'm the one with the newborn. Like you call me. Right. No, it just didn't happen for us this weekend. Which I think unless if we could stop fighting about it, like would actually be a good thing for the show. Because like, how was your weekend, LaTher? I have no idea what's going on with you. I went to Lady Gaga. Right. Barely knew that. Barely knew that. I went to Lady Gaga on Saturday night.

1:29Yeah, I had a couple of cocktails. And let me tell you something. I loved the concert. I loved Lady Gaga. I wanted to kill her. Was she talking a lot? No, actually, not at all. I didn't even think about that. Oh, man. She seems like a talker. A talker. It was the least amount of talking I think I've ever seen at a concert. I didn't even think about that. Between songs. Spare me. Just sing. No, actually. so I knew that she went on at 8.40 we're walking like into the venue at 8.30 and I hear abracadabra I'm like what the fuck she's going on early we start running so we're like we get to the seats in the middle of the song we're like abracadabra and we're like loving it loving it loving it she performs the song so good she ends the song and like the show is over and I'm like what in the world I'm like where are the other songs it's like lights off like she's gone like the show's over it's like one song And I'm like, what is going on?

2:21Then the show starts up again, like maybe five or ten minutes later. I was so confused. And it starts up. Habrakazabra, mo' na' na. We just heard this song, Stephanie. Mrs. Chirmanata, we just heard this song. So I say, I'm like, what's going on? And the guys in front of me were like, she's filming for the VMAs. I'm like, what? I'm like, oh, okay. She comes back again. She does another song. and she's like thanks guys I'll be back two more times we watched one whole hour of her performing going dark performing going dark like the same songs two or three times the show started at almost 9 45 like not to be a grandma but it was like a long show and I was like really enjoying it but I got home so late that's really crazy because she was an hour delayed like for the VMAs like okay the VMAs were like first of all yesterday so I went on Saturday night the VMAs on it it was recorded and like it was cool to get like extra gaga but she wasn't performing for us she was performing for the cameras and it was just like it was so weird that is weird proud to say i did not watch the vmas i have nothing to say about the vmas we won't even be doing like winners because really like who gives their stage like ariana showed up she was probably like the biggest star there and lady gaga and so like they won all the awards um i didn't watch either i do feel i actually sadly pains me to say this aged out of the vmas because of course i woke up in like a normal person I watched all the recaps tiktoks here's what went down and like yeah a bunch of the pop girlies were there but what everyone was excited about were people have genuinely never heard of somber like who is that cat's eye do you know learning about cat's eye from their gap commercial oh I'm learning about them from their you know critical performance at the VMAs I do think it was very gen z I'm happy that the kids have that it wasn't made for us yeah no and I didn't even feel like pressure to watch like sometimes I'll put something on because I know like everyone's gonna be talking about it but like go home grandma you know and I actually went to a wedding last night so I didn't even have time to watch the BMAs okay party girl party girl not only did we go to a wedding but the kids were invited it was my first time going to a wedding with the kids and it was like so much fun and just so different to like experience that with them like hit the dance floor it was so cute it was making me think like because people were like there were a lot of kids at the wedding people were like did you allow kids at your wedding I'm like I didn't know any kids when I got married I didn't have to make any hard decisions or be like your kids can't come we didn't have an actually Ben has a lot of cousins who are older than him and I do believe we invited their kids but like they wanted a night out you know in the city it wasn't so I don't think there were any kids at my wedding and it wasn't like a no kids wedding yeah no I never even had to like confront the decision there were no kids um in my world at the time but it was just like so fun and special to bring them and yeah some of the parents like didn't bring their kids but and had a night out which is also really fun but it was also just fun to like bring them and get all gussied up and we had a great time one more thing i want to say about gaga before i go uh two things one she's literally the craziest bitch on the planet like we're always saying how she's like such an artist and she's just like crazy jackie she's even crazier than we thought like i the whole time i kept turning to taylor strecker i was like she's fucking crazy like she has this whole thing she's on crutches like she's just crazy like she was being Like, so nuts.

5:37Like, everything was, like, but she has, like, a very clear vision. How we're always saying about Sabrina Carpenter. Like, her whole, like, feminine, feathery, sexual. Like, she has, like, a very unique aesthetic. And Gaga has the same thing. Like, it's so Gaga. And it's so fucking crazy. Yeah. But, like, at least Sabrina's is, like, understandable. Like, surface level. You know what I mean? It's just, like, things you can pin on a mood board. Like, Gagas, no one could ever. She had this, like, spoken word poem video before. and she was like, on the road, the journey is dark. And I literally, I was like, you are speaking English.

6:11I have no idea what you're talking about. It's so artsy. It's so deep. Like, I actually don't understand it. She was like, Cynthia, Jesus died for our Cynthia's. And she was like, the darkness prevails in the house of love. Sample Cynthia. The second thing was that I got so many DMs. Did you see Alex Earl? Did you see Alex Earl? No. And then I was like trying to like, I looked at our Instagram stories to see where we were. We weren't far away. I don't know where she was, but I did not see her. And that was devastating. I'm sorry. That's okay. She's booked and busy. She was at the VMAs as well, looking cutesy like a little ladybug.

6:50Yeah, she looked adorable. Like a ladybug? It's a TikTok thing. Okay. The way I'm counting down the days to Dancing with the Stars, I don't know if you've been seeing, I've been following a lot of the contestants I didn't follow already on social media. And you know they go so hard with the content, the dancing partners. And it's actually getting me amped. Like, no, I'm going to be sat at 8 o 'clock on whenever it is, September 16th. I'm going to watch. Good. Yeah. Excited for your recaps. Speaking of recaps, we have to discuss what we both watched this weekend. I have a fifth and final story that will segue into that quite beautifully, especially because everyone's talking about unknown number.

7:30A lot of people have watched it. We watched it this weekend. And we're going to recap it after the fifth and final story. But I want to be able to talk about it freely. And so it will be full with spoilers. And that will go at the end. Okay. That's so fair. So fair. So fair. So fair. So fair. That was truly the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Did Ben cook his bread? No, of course not. The starter is ready. On Friday or Thursday, he was like day five of having fed his newborn starter. He doesn't have old starter. He has a newborn. scratch um and i was like it's they say five to seven days like do the seven like mature is better having an immature starter you won't your bread won't rise like it's a waste of time and now it's like monday and day eight nine he didn't start yesterday you said his starter was looking great it's perfect time he was gonna like make the loaf and whatever but the day just got away from us and then ruby's last nap got cut short so ruby had to go down early like you know it just parenthood but you gotta start the loaf in the morning let me tell me don't tell me let Did you start your loaf this morning?

8:29Well, don't because I put him to work this morning. Doing what? Like finding a place for my breast milk, you know, kind of slay. I have a lot of breast milk, but we live in a small apartment. And I was thinking of getting like a chest freezer. But you know me, the idea of just like a freestanding freezer in my house. I can't. The sweeper can never. And then I remembered I actually have the luxury of having a father-in-law who owns a kosher catering company who has a commercial kitchen in Manhattan. so Ben loaded up our car with all my milk drove it over to Bruce's kitchen and all my milk is in a chest freezer at the chef's table headquarters that's really crazy but someone's gonna go and steal it now that you said where it is that's a hot commodity they don't know where it is oh they don't know where the the chef's table where the kitchen is yeah oh okay it's under lock and key yeah okay keep it safe lock it up even though like I don't find myself using my milk as much as I thought I would.

9:21Do you know what I mean? I never unfreeze it. Like I'm just always feeding. It's not really for now. Yeah, right, right. But yeah, it is kind of like, even when I had a stash with Charlie, I never finished it because once we switched to formula, like I was like, okay, here's the formula. Pop off formula. Yeah, like, and I have to go thaw this old thing from six months ago. Like, I don't know. But I've actually been thinking that I want to donate if I don't end up using it because I have so much, like thousands. Well, not thousands, but I'm hoping to have thousands. Donate to the NICU. That's what I hear people on TikTok doing.

9:54I don't know if they'd accept mine, like if it's too old or whatever, but I'll try. That's beautiful. I know, right? Like how nice, like if you're in the NICU and you need breast milk, like people donate. That's really beautiful, Turdy. Or sorry, as Jackie would say, NICU. NICU. I say both. No, you say NICU. It's one of the words. I cuss a little.

10:17So that was my weekend. You went to a wedding. You were obviously like partying up, coming home, stumbling home at six in the morning for this wedding. We were at the neighbors like before the wedding, just like going from party to party. At the neighbors again. Football Sunday. We're back in action. The Chiefs lost. We didn't even talk about that. Their first game of the season, they lost. I believe it was on Friday night. Like somewhat fine. I think it's good that they lost. Me too. Because you want to like have a comeback story. Like if you start out winning, it's not always good all the time.

10:47Like you have to face adversity. Agreed. Agreed. They need to get it together. And they need to figure out where their holes are as a team before the big stage. Who? Brian? No. No. Pop, pop. Another word for pop, pop is? It's showtime. Showtime. What's another word for pop, pop? Bang, bang, Niners gang. Yeah, that's right. They won. Hashtag bang, bang. unknown number the us open also ended we got two winners hashtag bang bang unknown number that's what she hashtag bang bang we're gonna get into it like seriously never in my life have I met a bigger loser than that woman well okay just leave it there leave it there um the us open came to a close alcaraz won sabalenka won um it was just kind of like a like a big weekend for sports yeah that fall seems to be that oh and you know like in two weeks is the rider cup i do know that in two weeks is the rider cup and you know ben was invited i know ben and i were supposed to go together but i'm just gonna be like too pregnant to go to a beth page with him but i was excited i'm excited that he's going i know it just really doesn't work out um and i literally can't so yeah uh i don't have a choice not like i'm even making a decision we're literally like such a sports podcast is disgusting we're like such toxic women in sports i wonder who's going to be the rider cup team do we know yet because it's like a big thing in full swing and of course keenan bradley was shafted last time and now like people are saying he might be the captain this year like coming back you know at the top of the phoenix rising from the ashes keenan bradley is is that he's that guy okay rider cup 2020 to have team i feel like by now we would know the team i can't lie i have literally no idea what you're talking about what's a team in golf okay so the rider cup is different than like all other golf stuff like not the masters not the u.s so different this cup it's u.s golfers versus europe golfers got it they play every two years and they switch off between playing in europe versus playing in the u.s so they pick like the top of the olympics yeah it's like the olympics but it's only u.s and europe and then there's the President's Cup, which is U.S.

13:10versus Canadian golfers. That's later. But anyways. Got it. And like a lot of the best golfers, like Rory, he's Irish. He plays for Europe. Oh, yeah. John Brom. Who's that golfer? Of course, John Brom. Everyone knows John Brom. John Brom. He is Spanish. He plays. We actually saw John Brom this summer when we were out. You and I? You were there. You probably didn't. Ben told me like that's Jon Rahm because we obviously know golf. When we were at the beach club. Oh yeah. No. Jon Rahm bomb just went right over my head. And if you don't know Rahm bomb. Educate yourself. You best be learning. Yeah.

13:51If you don't know who Rahm bomb is. Seriously. And that's like a seriously Google it. Your life's about to change. He. Jon Rahm is from Spain. He pays. But like he won the Masters a few years ago. So it really is competitive. It's like Bryson DeChambeau and Tiger Woods. Right. Those are the only people who are American. Not Tiger Woods these days. Scotty Scheffler. Why not Tiger Woods these days? Well, he's not like the best player anymore. No. No. He plays sometimes and it's always like amazing when he does, especially because apparently he almost lost his life in an accident. Yes. Yes. And let alone be able to golf again at a top level, but he does.

14:26So for Team USA, Scotty Scheffler, Xander Schoffel, they don't focus on him in full swing, so I don't know him. Justin Thomas, JT. Classic. And Colin Morikawa, a classic for Team USA. Rory McIlwari, John Rahm, Victor Hovland, and Ludwig Aberg for Team Europe. Keegan Bradley is the captain. It feels really stacked against us, honestly. I know. And last year they won. They, like, really swept the floor with us. Like, embarrassing. Oh, so now that I know, Ben was like, do you want to go? And I was like, no. No, it's a really big deal. It's really cool. Okay, maybe I'll go. And, like, usually when it's in U.S.

15:01territory, we win. Like, home court advantage. home court advantage of course um the u.s hasn't won in europe like in a very long time and they didn't win last time but it's like crazy because like we have scotty scheffler he wins everything what you can't win this one time but it's also like it's golf a team sport there's no eye in golf no but like they take it really they love that it's like to be selected for the rider cup is like the dream of a lifetime for these golfers like they play for this golf backwards is flog that feels right isn't that funny yeah that's why they have so many flogs flog flog and that should be like a word you know when you like score one under parts of birdie one over should be a flog it might is it could be we wouldn't even know that's what a flog sounds like double bogey you're such a double bogey so yeah go to the rider cup for those of us who can it's extremely cool okay yeah and it's in two weeks so get excited fam let's get lit maybe a bit be on tv i don't know i had a couple cocktails on saturday and like i think i'm good for a while you know but it's a few weeks away it's so doesn't hit the same it doesn't hit the same oh you know what i'll say one thing i was talking okay so we went to the gaga concert we had drinks before with taylor and taylor obviously taylor d is pregnant so like we were just talking a lot about like baby stuff and you know i'm like loving it i'm like saying it's so great it's so great but there is like one thing about motherhood i actually don't like like genuinely don't like okay like you're really unable to enjoy things like like detach yeah like when we went it was like my dream night i'd been looking forward to it like i planned it two weeks in advance i got the tickets i bought a sitter like i did bought a sitter scheduled a sitter like i planned everything so far in advance i was like ben we're gonna have so much time we're gonna it's so lit like and i was dreading it the whole day and then even when we had like successful bedtime the babysitter was there Ruby was asleep like it was perfect like nothing went wrong it was perfect exactly how I planned it I was like not wanting to go I was checking my phone the whole time like your mind is elsewhere yeah and you just like really can't even with the best situation like all was good you know what I agree with you like your mind is just elsewhere you're always just like wondering what's going on even if the kids are sleeping that's why I actually really enjoy girls nights because my husband stays home and like I have more peace of mind I cannot stress enough how different would have been if Ben didn't come and I was thinking of literally telling him to scram like go check on things like because that's like peace of mind for me but I feel like that's how you get to a place where like you're never spending time with your partner that's why it's important to prioritize date night yes yes and I saw Ben getting dressed and I was seriously like stop like put your clothes back on like get in bed stay home with Ruby yes I agree even though like I Ruby were with Ruby the whole day he went to sleep and then we left like ruby had no idea we were gone no of course no no of course like it just like wasn't as partilicious as i envisioned it in my mind because actually that's not true i had a great time but like you know it's just not the same yeah and i want it to be the same you know it's i'm trying no i understand but i think they are changed she has been changed try going to the movies like don't even i'm going to the movies this week seriously don't even bother is ben going yeah don't bother actually tbd he has a ticket i told you we bought tickets for downtown abbey if you want to enjoy like keep him home so funny when me and ben were in like the throes of new parent newbornhood we were like would it be crazy if we went to the movies because like literally all we did was lay in bed and watch tv ruby was either like sleeping on my lap or sleeping on my boobs sleeping on my lap sleeping so like why couldn't we just go to the movies we almost did except for that i think that it's too loud um but like ruby like goes to bed with us every night the tv's blaring like if i go to the movies can i just bring ruby if i saw sleeping baby at the movies i'd be like damn that's crazy but it's really not no it's really not crazy it's just loud and it's germy germy you know yeah so that's all i don't talk about the name jeremy enough it's like a nice name it is a nice name but because we're talking a lot about names recently like Jeremy some people like drop the E like you really need to Jeremy you need to like focus on that second E otherwise it's Jeremy yeah yeah yeah and that's not right I know yeah certain like accents are more prone to saying Jeremy Jeremy it's nice yeah it is nice Jeremy Soffer Flog Flog Soffer Jeremy Soffer He sounds nice.

19:40It doesn't go with Ruby, you know? Well, it's both end in Y, Ruby, Jeremy. And then they're never, like, growing up, if someone was calling from the other side of the house, Olivia, Claudia, and you only caught the end of it, you were not sure if they were looking for you or Olivia. It was actually low-key confusing. Yeah, that was very difficult for you as a young woman. I actually dealt with a lot of really tough things. I also had a summer birthday, which now is lit, kind of. as a child oh my god so robbed I don't know if I'll ever get over the emotional trauma attached with like feeling so robbed as a child with the summer birthday but it's made you who you are speaking of summer I've been reading a lot of children's books not a lot I have like six on my shelf and I don't really feel like at this point I need more than that um and I've really been feeling drawn to the camper and the counselor it's such an amazing book first of all it's huge And so with Ruby specifically, like I need big visuals.

20:34He can't see so amazing. It's so colorful. It's really beautiful. And then for my own personal enjoyment, like I'm in the stage where like Ruby likes to be sung to. So a book like that rhymes really helps. And there are books that I really like. Like we bought that one in Montauk from The Lighthouse. It's amazing, but it doesn't rhyme. So it doesn't slap. I cannot recommend The Camper of the Counselor by Jackie Oshry enough. It is such, and I've always loved it, you know, as an adult. You've always supported it. But it definitely hits different now. and I totally, when we get to Paige at the lake, Ruby Freaks, like it is, it's like the plot twist of the century.

21:08No, I know, Harry used to freak, because especially when I'm like, whoa, I'm not going in that lake. He'd be like, whoa, I'm not going in that lake. And I just want you guys to hear like, Claudia has been like sending pictures and videos of her reading it, like totally, like to me, totally unprompted by me. Like this is all coaches doing. She's not even like just doing her sister a solid pumping up my book. 100%. And everything that you just described is literally what I set out to do when I wrote the book. Like I want pop in rhymes. I want colorful visuals. We need to compete with the television here.

21:37Yes, exactly. I can't have the giving tree sketches. That's not competing. Oh, the giving tree is so sad. When Ruby can hold up his own neck, like I'm going to be putting him in the chair and then I'm going to be like doing interpretive dancing while reading the book. Like it's just, it's only, it's going to go up from here. Yeah, so that's the camera and the counselor available anywhere you get your books. Amazon, easy peasy. So highly recommend. It's such a fab read. for kids of all ages for kids of all ages i feel like we should get into the stories and i actually feel like you're gonna hate them i'm gonna hate them yeah why they're like the stories but you're just gonna like hate them and the people they're about like you're just gonna oh okay love so now without further i do that do that do it is time for the fast five stories that you dot do need to know.

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26:36swipe tap ticket go download the game time app today thank you turd time you're welcome turd time our first story some new couple alert news potentially glenn powell was spotted with olivia jade in new york city the two were seen having dinner at il cantinori in the city on sunday glenn powell 36 and olivia jade 25 were spotted obsessed um i feel like i literally put the sound to the universe was it not one or two weeks ago well i just came back from the toast so i don't know when i said it but i was like glenn powell needs a star for a girlfriend like he's kind of been single for too long i like that he took some time off of his previous relationship because it was a really serious one but he doesn't date enough celebrities for me for like i think that's actually really hindering his growth as a star um and this is just perfect although i do want to go on record saying i do not think that they are dating so what do you think that they are doing i think that they're very good friends actually not to be like so obnoxious i know that they're very good friends and glenn is also really good friends with olivia's mom which is a great way to start a relationship i just want to say laurie was there oh i didn't know that yeah no they're not dating like sorry and i i desperately wanted them to maybe they're not dating yet yet but like maybe this was just like a really fun dinner and and now they're looking at each other differently right like they're both like spending time in new york you're all grown up frontal lobe looking good on you single yeah i i want to say it hasn't happened yet for a reason i think these two actually spend a lot of time together um i just don't think that they're dating i think they might be looking at each other differently now just like you know grown up the girl that you thought was like kid sister and like she just got out of this relationship with jacob alorty who glenn powell like definitely hates you know they like compete for roles yeah and so maybe now like he's seeing her through that lens i mean i would love it i can't stress enough i don't know who it's better for like him dating her or her dating him i love the whole thing like obsessed i just don't think that it's real and i'm devastated about it okay well until further notice it could be and i like it and the whole circle of like young hollywood single people um heterosexuals or actually i guess some guys um are all swapping right now yes they've all it's a reset button it's like it's like um musical chairs everybody got up and they're running around again yeah so that leads to our second story which is that austin butler was a scene with emily radikowski and i just want to say no two people have ever been more perfect for one another like i know that like these are just like yes you're right young hollywood there's like a group of like jacob alorty kaya grubber like it's like 10 or 15 people kaya austin olivia now we'll throw in glenn throw in harry Styles yeah Zoe uh Sidney like yeah they all just like swap with one another so I know this one like shouldn't feel different but I'm telling you on Pete Pete on a personality level and also like just on every level Emily Ratajkowski and Austin Butler based on what I know about them peripherally like just as like a purveyor of pop I'm telling you they're perfect for one another although I think Austin thinks like he's the star in the relationship and Emily thinks that she's a star in the relationship and that might cause conflict but for right now like no two people are more perfect for one another they're even both 34 Jackie it's perfect like they're both just like kind of hungry for more something yeah I think it's perfect and I think they're loving the attention they're getting as a couple like why didn't we think of this sooner it's brilliant it yeah it is it is what was i i was gonna say she's very much in this circle she was spotted with harry style she was spotted with davidson like what i was gonna say is that it also you know who it introduces into this circle vanessa hudge so mcclard mcclard yeah but mcclard like saw the life with emily radikowski was like respectfully i think i'm okay and backed away and now he's like i think dating a normie that's what we saw at least from yeah firsthand boots on the ground experience at round swamp but like technically yeah like the exes you know he's in the mix mcclardia if you weren't keeping up with us on patreon this summer you might not know that like the thing that sort of defined our summer was not only running into emily radikowski sebastian ex-husband sebastian mcclard at round swamp but then running into him talking about him on our patreon and then a week later him coming up to me at the sag harbor carnival saying he heard what we said and me taking a picture with him you might not know no and then you also might not know if you haven't been around for years that like claudia's names including turdy turdy clard like everything that jackie calls me everything stems from when the days what we were reporting on sebastian bear mcclard when he was married to emily radikowski like he's so integral to the bones of this show most influential figure in our lives so seeing him was amazing it was you know when you like something happens in your life and you feel like it like redirects the course of your life like if it didn't happen you would have went on plan a yeah but because like you just got shifted to track b i feel like it was one of those sort of shifting moments yeah shifting sands shifting strisands shifting strisands the story of bruno correct that's bruno's memoir but that's a story for another day so having said that olivia jade and glenn powell i would love but i just want to go on but again i thought taylor and travis weren't dating so what the hell do I know but based on like my my intelligence I'm gonna tell you not yet the other two literally like two people have never been more compatible with one another they will be married forever odd 120 I love that for them and then our third story is actually some more new couple news sort of in the mix because like when we go down the Harry Styles Zoe Kravitz throughout Olivia Wilde has a new man and it's Ellie Goulding's ex-husband Casper Jopling they They had a three hour dinner date and then she was making out with him caught on camera.

32:41Oh, wait, I didn't see this. Hold on. And how old is he? She is 41. He is 33. And by the way, he loves the young Brit. She does. He does look a little bit like Harry Styles. He's very cute. What does he do? He is an art collector. Classic. Rich. Art dealer. And yeah, I don't know if they ever got married. He was engaged to Ellie Goulding. No, ex-husband. page six is saying ex-husband okay okay i believe them um am i crazy or does he kind of look like ben i can't wear his glasses he just wears glasses i from i'm just looking at these paparazzi pictures like i don't have his head shot in front of me okay i want to see the paparazzi pictures give me one second uh okay they were out they were went to the pelican in london you know i'm happy for her i think that if i ever met her and like like i wouldn't like her but that doesn't mean she's not deserving of happiness.

33:38It doesn't mean like you wish ill on anyone. No, no. But like you can say like, I don't think we'd be the best of friends. No, there are actually two different types of women, me and Olivia Wilde. Like you either are me or you're Olivia Wilde. Yeah, difference. I'm happy for her. But then opposites attract. So you're saying me and Olivia Wilde are gonna date next. Or be best friends. Oh, right. I'm happy for her. I am. I feel like, you know, I was just a crazy time. It was a crazy time. Them dating. I feel like there's stuff I'm forgetting. For so long. I feel like there's stuff I'm forgetting.

34:17Come on, Harry. We want to say goodnight to you. Remember, everybody thought that was her kid, but it wasn't. Who was it? Like one of his friends, you know. Left a voicemail. Oh, that's cute. People love that. Someone needs to sample my voicemail in a song. Have you ever played your voicemail for the listeners? I don't know. We talk about it all the time. It's the origination of Love You Bye. But Claudia, play it for everyone. OK, I'm going to call you. So just decline. You guys, this has been my voice. Can I just give a little backstory? Please. This has been my voicemail since I got my first phone in the fifth grade.

34:48So I had a fifth grader's voice and I recorded my voicemail. I wrote a little song for my voicemail. She wrote a jingle. I wrote a jingle for my voicemail. And like it was just always like such a hit amongst like friends and family that I never felt like I could change it, nor did I want to. and now as a grown woman when people hear my voicemail they assume it's my children okay that works yeah or like you know even like 10 years ago they assumed it was like i don't know a niece or nephew like before i had kids like they just assume it's a kid but it's me and i just want to say you guys are not fucking ready for what you're about to hear okay i'll ignore you oh i could have pressed can you believe it's my little phone Please leave a message Wait you like talked while Sorry Do it again Just be quiet

35:35Can you believe It's a smile on her phone Please leave a message After the tone She will get back to you A-S-A-T In other words I need to immediately Love ya Bye Leave a message Wait leave a message I'm not okay Like First of all I don't know if I consciously knew That we say love ya Bye Because it's from your You didn't know that That's where it got I think, no, no, I knew it subconsciously, but I don't know if like every time I say it, I'm like, oh yeah, voicemail. You guys, first of all, I haven't heard it in so long because I don't call you. It's the cutest thing. Leave a message. Like I'm obsessed.

36:09You look like you're, and if you guys could see what Jackie looked like, like she was such a little like cherubic, pale, redheaded kid. In other words, I mean immediately. Love you. Bye. Leave a message. Stop, it's so cute. Leave a message. it's so cute like things i did that also it's expertly written it's brilliant like props to me sonically slayed melodically slayed lyrically you knew she was gonna go on to do great things like the camper and the counselor correct it all tracks i've always been that girl a thousand percent and she will always be that girl so i hope you guys enjoyed that trip down memory i know i did it was about time yeah talk about it enough i think we've played it once i don't know this feels like a new experience i'm not having another words that means immediately it's like are you dumb you don't know what asap means even if you are i'll help you out because i'm a sweet lady that's the type of gal i am leave me a message love you no wonder why so many people leave me voicemails there they feel encouraged I can only imagine like who calls you?

37:21Who? A lot of people. For different like reasons. Humble brag. Business people call me and I don't pick up the phone. Right. What's the most recent voicemail you got? Like I want to know who's hearing that. Okay. Oh, well, you know, the tax resolution unit. Oh, spam, spam. That doesn't count. Doctor's offices. I bet doctor's offices like hear weird stuff. Yeah. Because they make a lot of calls. That was like a little. Oh yeah it's. Doctors. Doctors. Family members. Just professionals. Various professionals. If you know like. Various professionals. Like I had my like rugs cleaned. So like the rug company called me to schedule the delivery.

38:10I didn't pick it up. So. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess they just assumed it was your kids. It's various professionals for sure. Got it. Okay. Well, it's good that you have a very professional voicemail for all the various professionals who are going to call you. Exactly. Exactly. It's so cute. I love it so much. I hope it never goes away. I mean, unless like Verizon messes with me, it shouldn't. I have no plans on changing it. Great. Are you ready for our fourth story? We just sort of like accelerated through. Yeah, that was like a three. I feel like normally you would do like story one, A, B, and C with those.

38:44I know. But like they all kind of are their own story. Like they were the big things people are spotting this weekend. Agreed. And they needed to be contextualized. Agreed. They each needed their own moment. Yeah. Our fourth story is actually something we're getting tagged in a lot. I find on my end of people wanting us to discuss. And now there's been an update. But last week, a video went viral of Logan Paul and Nina Ogdell arguing in their van on their way to a dinner date. And it's like Aco Taco. Basically, you can see through the window them. But we realize that they're arguing because as he tries to get out of the car, she's like tripping him with her feet.

39:23She's like in the seat right next to the door. She really should be getting out first. Whatever. He gets out. So he like climbs over her. But she puts her boot in the way and like tries to trip him. yeah and then they continue to like walk just like looking and then he walks like straight into the restaurant and then like she's like two paces behind him he doesn't like wait for her it kind of is giving like angry it looks like they just had a fight in the car i mean what else could it really be yeah and then this week they were just at the u.s open and they like recreated the video as like a joke like look i'm tripping her yeah like we're tripping and i want to say something that video was weird like i think they were having a fight for sure yeah for sure but like the physical element of it like definitely because i love when celebrities get caught fighting with their partners it is the most you want to be relatable to me like that's relatable everyone fights argues and it's like you're in public and what do you do don't make me bring it up again irena shakin bradley cooper at wimbledon okay this one felt really different and really weird and I liked their approach to responding to the drama but I don't, it's like as somebody who's like now, I'm a fan, I watch Paul American, like I'm not satiated.

40:30I think that they're like, I don't know, I'm suspicious, I am. Suspicious that what? Like the fight is just like a - Trouble in paradise. It's not like a routine sort of fight. Like it's - It didn't look routine to me. It's high level. And I want to say like I am in a, I think a great marriage. We fight all the time. Like every fight, you know? You're in a combative marriage. No, I'm saying like I'm in a normal marriage and like we fight for sure. I'm not like we never fight. Like no we fight. I don't know that like I would take it to that place. Of tripping. Now obviously if he tripped her we'd be having a totally different conversation.

41:05Yeah. So the fact that it was her tripping him means like it definitely could be nothing. Yeah. It could be something. I'm trying to think like what else it could be other than like an obvious fight. Plus also like his face when he walks out of the vehicle is like not the face of a happy man. Now just because two people are caught fighting does not mean that there's anything going on in their relationship. Like, I can't stress, actually, it's healthy. It's what Chase Shetty says. Like, if you're not fighting, you're not communicating. It's a sign of a health, a healthy marriage. I don't know. It just seemed weird.

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41:32Like, it just seemed different. Yeah, no, it was definitely, like, an up there sort of, like, a level 10 sort of fight. And their approach in responding to it, like, recreating it. Like, normally, I like that. But I don't know. Like, the video was weird. Also, I think on the heels of the fact that they just got married, even though when you actually think about it I do think that's a time when like you fight more of course one because there's like so much stress drama involved with planning a wedding like families blending to then you want your honeymoon and nobody talks about like a honeymoon is literally the most boring thing on the planet like it's just you and your partner like all there is to do is fight and get fat like there's nothing else to do so I could see them actually being in the stage that's fight heavy yeah like 10 days after your wedding more or less like that's not the happiest time in your marriage it's actually it actually wasn't so bad but um I'm just saying just because they just got married doesn't mean like trouble in paradise you know agreed agreed just because weddings can be stressful they had a big one and maybe it's led to some residual fights and it happens it's so normal wedding planning is tough so do you like see their relationship differently from this video have concerns well as you guys know i wasn't ever like fully um this isn't if if it was jake and yuta doing this oh my god if i saw a video like this of jake and yuta because i stand them so hard you guys have no idea like sometimes i get involved with something like i watch a show and then once it's over i like forget about it no i follow these two on social media so hard i'm like always just like brooding from them for them from the sides um I would be shook if that was them.

43:09Yeah. As you guys know, I'm not obsessed. I like. With these two. I like them. But it definitely is like, okay, I'll need to wait and see more. I need season two to sort of clear things up for me. Where are their heads at? And I did feel like when I saw them on season one, there were some red flags, just in like the way that sometimes they spoke to one another, like weird things about their relationship, but they are like living this crazy life. So like maybe I just can't relate to it. And he's like a huge personality. And she's like living with like they're just it's not necessarily a comparable to like the average Joe.

43:43It's not. So maybe their fights aren't comparable to the average Joe. I am looking forward to hearing that they will definitely be discussing this on season two if they're filming. I mean they talked about everything. So yeah. And they're definitely filming because why wouldn't they have filmed the wedding? Right. Assuming I assume the show was a success season one that they're getting a season two. Has there been any reports? I don't know. Google. chat chat i mean that's really a case for google will there be a season two of paul american on max

44:13google could have answered this i feel it's 11 11 make a wish you know something about this particular chair whenever i use chat gbt like it doesn't work chappy slipping paul american season two current status as of mid-may 2025 has not been renewed but it hasn't been canceled either so it leaves its future uncertain at on may 16th an article stated that max hasn't renewed it yet unclear whether it will return another source from may 2025 echoes that season two has neither been canceled or news noting that season one concluded around that time so it says the status of paul american american on wikipedia is pending so yeah not renewed not canceled i see i see okay well maybe this is the thing that gets them a season two or maybe like this podcast is the push that you know someone in the marketing department needs what if tripgate is what like ignites the interest like oh we have to capture this yeah and i do think that they are filming though because i think that like the brothers film the show because they film their lives they film everything yeah so so it's not for they produce it so like they give it to max so maybe they'll put it on youtube or whatever yeah or maybe it's like max hasn't bought the second season yet but someone else could but i think that they're filming and i definitely think they filmed like a docuseries for the wedding if and just like that got three seasons give the paul american brothers the second season give them a chance yeah but if just like that got three seasons it means that they won't because they're prioritizing bad over good right right right classic it's a classic mix-up it's a classic the case.

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50:12They are in a movie called Mommy Meanest, which is a film inspired by real-life events. The real-life events chronicled in unknown number about a teenage girl who is cyberbullied only to discover the culprit behind the horrific text is spoiler alert her very own mother okay Jackie I just want to say the movie came out last year it's not a new trailer but the trailer is making the rounds because the documentary has gone viral so I was just like googling I was like wait no this movie already came out I didn't realize Delilah was in it because I saw the trailer and it was like this turn like literally 30 year old looking girl who is playing a teenager plays the daughter so I don't know who Delilah plays Delilah plays the daughter in a way she doesn't oh no Brianna Skye plays the daughter so who does Delilah play she plays Summer her the friend her friend okay oh yeah one of the friends okay I'm sorry this would be so much better agreed oh wait I'm so annoyed this was sent to me this morning as like a new story but now I see that it is from April 2024 I'm sorry I didn't check that but I still would have chosen that's okay I would have given that context um because unknown number just came out on Netflix everyone's talking about this story that happened years ago but like it was very much local news and so if you were the story did go like viral in its own bubble which is why the Lifetime movie got made right but if you weren't following it like you didn't know how it ended for most people who watch on Netflix we did not know how it ended and now of course after watching it just like everything else I'm like oh they're gonna make a movie about this and then to know like Lifetime I already snatched it up.

51:45Someone's still going to make like a motion picture about it. But like, I'm sorry, Lisa Rinna, I think she already did that perfect casting. This is, first of all, perfect casting and throwing Delilah Bell in there in like a supporting role. I'm obsessed. Just genuine brilliance. Lisa Rinna finds, like, she stays at the center of like culture in such a profound way. And this is no exception. Like, it's so funny that a dramatized version of this like story already exists and that Lisa Renner is that mom is just like it's perfect yeah no she's ahead of the curb I actually want to watch this I love a good lifetime movie I'm telling you not enough people talk about the Wendy Williams lifetime movie like the biopic it was amazing yeah um so this is mommy meanest it's based on this story from unknown number which we will now recap it's documented on Netflix everyone's talking about it I mean I saw so many people hosting this like oh my god oh my god oh my god and even you once you wrote in the chat like oh my god you guys have to watch this and then I was like okay plus I knew you were wanting to talk about it so I was like okay let me see what's going on.

52:44So I saw everyone posting about it and I only watched it because like I have you know time to watch stuff and I figured it would be you know something I could post and talk about for my job. I didn't expect to be so shook by it and that's when I said to my family you guys got to watch the most stupidest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. I can't believe you were so shook by it like I'm like it was not obviously it's not enjoyable were you surprised I don't know like kind of not I felt like it was definitely had alluded to the fact that like parents were involved in kids drama business um so a couple times I thought it was going to be like someone's parent um same and also I the longer I watched I found it very strange and we were hearing so much from Owen's mom because I know like it was happening to Owen but it was really happening to Lauren and so if like like they were both victims but lauren was the target lauren who was the one who like it really took more of a toll on and so like why are we hearing so much from the guy's mom and like the the person stalking the two of them like was obsessed with owen like he like owen got a glowing treatment like it was really lauren who this was about and i was like why are we hearing so much from this mom and not the other mom well because that mom was the one who was really like spearheading like it was really like affecting her to try and find out who it is because like if it was just lauren being cyber bullied of course lauren's mom would be like so worried about who it is stalking her child but she wasn't worried because she knew it was her meanwhile like that's a natural mother's reaction when your child is going through right so that's why like crazy owen's mom had a lot to say lauren's mom would have if she wasn't the one doing it and i know it's like not about this but there was like this side story where they tried to frame this girl chloe and her parents got involved and they're like Chloe was bullying me and Chloe didn't do it and it's really terrible that like these grown women framed Chloe but just based on vibes like Chloe is 1000 % a bully because she literally was born to two bullies her parents were so fucking crazy and you just know he's like this toxic cop in a small town who like abuses his power and then like this wife runs around town being like yeah my husband the cop like I just know like there was this whole backstory of like two years ago Chloe was like bullying allegations and it's like I believe those allegations because i saw her parents her parents are crazy no but also it was so weird because it was like lauren they're telling us lauren's getting cyber bullied and lauren's a sweet girl keeps herself not many enemies but but and then like when the focus points to chloe it's like well chloe always hated lauren i'm like wait why didn't like why wouldn't we have started going down this path when the text first started i felt like the way that they told the story like um they intentionally like hid things from us to like drop truth bombs later like even the fact that the mom was interviewed and she's talking about how we went to the school to try and find out who it was but i didn't think they were doing a good enough job so like we're just watching this woman like lie for the sake of our disbelief for the sake of like the plot twist yeah which is just like what how useless is that yeah so like the first 30 minutes are defense of chloe's parents the dad did say after they interviewed chloe they were like looking to the mother she's crazy and well we only found that out after which is like annoying it's glaring that lauren's mother was crazy that she didn't have a job that she had a background in it right like how did you guys not know like why why didn't they tell us this like at the jump these these facts that everybody knew well it was supposed to be like dramatized and i just felt like they they held a lot back so that like the end reveal would be shocking but then like I mean and it is shocking what's more so shocking is the way that it played out after the fact like she got minimal time in prison like and they're treating this as like a cyber bullying and stalking case but it's also pedophilia the way she's talking to two 13 and 14 year old children about getting creamy like that was really there was a lot to process when you found out that it was the mom like one like how could someone do that to their own child telling your own child to kill herself to kill themselves there were so many layers to what made it so fucked up and one of them yes was the pedophilic aspect like you're talking about like giving bjs making out getting creamy like to your daughter they literally don't even know what you're saying they don't even understand the words that you're saying and so she and you can't even listen to anything that she said her reason was because what did she say her reason was that she did it oh because at first she was trying to get you know help because she says she didn't send those first text messages around halloween when they started up a few months later then it was her and she was doing it as an attempt to catch the person which makes no fucking sense which makes no sense by the way and then she got addicted and some of the school board people are in the investigator said it and i don't know like i don't know why i just i'm like i just believed her when she was like i didn't send those first ones they're like she definitely sent those first ones yeah agreed i believed her too and then i was because it's like such a random thing to lie about why should i believe anything this woman says and so no she wasn't sending them to try and catch the first person so she's either sending them to like i thought cyber munchausen was a great way to put it to like make her daughter sick and then have to be there for her and the fact that lisa rinna munchausen queen played the mom in a movie like it's perfect if you don't know like the lisa rinna lore of her starting this rumor about yolanda hadid having munchausen's which like low-key like she probably did um it's literally what got her fired from the show like years later like it's literally it's it's crazy yeah i thought that was a good take on it that it's cyber munch house and like making your kids sick and like miserable and depressed so that they really need you um but then also or was she doing it because she like had eyes for owen right they kind of like jealous at the end that like she acted weird around owen like in a creepy way didn't do it because she had a crush on owen which was like as obviously pedophilic the way that she was speaking to two minors is pedophilia agreed and something that really pissed me off when they didn't press her hard enough in the interview no um and when they were asking her like you know you're telling your daughter like you know you know her insecurities that she's insecure about her weight and then so much of what you're saying to her is calling her anorexic flat-ass bitch like so you know your daughter's insecurities and you're using them against her they didn't press her hard enough And then they were like, do you think that maybe you said that because you were insecure about your own weight?

59:12Like you were very thin. And she was like, yeah. Like you weren't that skinny. Sorry. Like you look normal. Yeah. They really let her off the hook. They let her say. It's crazy when they get the person in the documentary and you get to see how crazy they are. Because only a crazy person would agree to do that. They did not push her at all. And if they did, they didn't include it. Like it was kind of not satisfying. I was like, oh, great. let's hear from the crazy person and to the point that we didn't get answers so yes not satisfying to like just be like and this is what happened and this she's going to tell you why this is why she did it but we have really don't know why she did it there are a lot of theories and i believe maybe the chloe's dad said it or someone said it and people online believe that lauren was actually involved because it's so crazy and her reaction on the body camera was not so crazy although she's a teenage girl who just found out something so crazy like a lot of people think she was in on it i don't but they think that she was in on it to frame chloe because chloe had been bullying her and and this was just like an elaborate scheme her and her mom cooked up to get chloe expelled or whatever i don't think that lauren was involved i think people just can't really understand why lauren doesn't despise her mother how she could be so forgiving um look what gypsy rose did when And she was Munchausen, you know?

1:00:30And instead, Lauren's emailing with the person, sending incessant messages with the person who was sending you hate messages. I don't think Lauren was in on it. And even if she were in on it, she's obviously been like so manipulated by this crazy person that I have no issue with Lauren or her handling of things. I actually can understand Lauren's position. It seems so crazy, but she's also still a kid. Like maybe she'll grow up and realize how crazy it was and hate her mom and never talk to her again. But it's not that crazy that she stayed in contact with her mom and they're not even that close.

1:00:58Like she lives with her dad and she doesn't really talk to her mom. Right. But I don't think it's so crazy that she, her reaction and, and the body camera like wasn't this explosive. She's still a kid. Yeah. Or she like knew about it. And so those messages never really affected her. You know, she wasn't really like reading them. Right. She knew it was her mom and they had this like bigger plan. But again, I wouldn't fault her if she knew because like she's literally 13. Right. And she's so young in the documentary. And this happened to her like years ago. Yeah. You know, she was so young when it happened.

1:01:30At its core, it's so fucked up. And like there's like memes about like because it's so crazy. But like at its core, it is the most fucked up thing ever. Yeah, it's really insane. I feel bad for the dad and his storage unit. Like, oh, my God, the dad and his storage unit. Like, first of all, when the dad came home and found out that it was his crazy ass wife and he immediately was like, well, she's got 11 phones. that didn't seem curious to you I guess it's so crazy that like it would be your wife the mom but like you know that your wife works in IT has a million phones and like is low-key crazy yeah but I guess like if that's your wife and they were still together so like he obviously loved her and like wouldn't think she would be capable of something like this otherwise he wouldn't have stayed married to her and I would I do want to say I disagree with Chloe's dad on that point I don't think the dad of the family was involved whatsoever Chloe's dad said he thought all three of them were and he might be on to something about lauren but i don't think mr storage unit had any idea no when mr storage unit was talking about the unit i wanted to kill myself it was so sad like everything i'd ever worked for in my whole life gone yeah and like the fact that she was pretending to have a job a job instead she was like going out to the shed and writing hate mail all day long like he had no shed the she shed from her various phones and computers no what a fucking crazy bitch and you guys jackie had the funniest reaction i posted it on my instagram but if you didn't see she was like i can't believe people in this town didn't know it was the mother like look at her tech neck there's only one person in this town whose neck looks like she spends all day on her phone and it's so true literally this woman is atrocious yeah like they're looking at the school cameras I actually thought the school handled it pretty well yes I thought the same thing I would when the mom was like I to this day don't feel like they did enough I was like oh great how did the school drop the ball and I was waiting to see that was Owen's mom Owen's mom said she was annoyed that they didn't let them go into the classrooms and ask parents no and ban phones too yeah but like I think they wanted to ask parents to take their kids phones and look through them and the school was like that's not going to go how you wanted to and so she was annoyed that they didn't let them do that it wouldn't have even mattered because it wasn't a student lauren's mom said we went to the school board and honestly i didn't feel like they were doing enough she's so crazy i didn't realize now in perspective that it was the mom because i remember thinking i'm like wait i feel like actually the school did a lot like watching surveillance setting up like traps yeah saying like text us when they text you setting up traps yeah like yeah i thought they actually did a lot and i was really impressed and i think that there should be like a ban on phones in all schools but obviously like safety reasons it's not 100 % feasible so the fact that the school wouldn't do a ban is annoying but it wouldn't have stopped because the person sending the text was a grown ass woman right right and maybe they should have brought the police in sooner because I feel like it was like a year or you mean the FBI well first it was the sheriff but the sheriff didn't come in like for a while and then the sheriff brought it to the FBI and I wasn't sure if we were supposed to think that like the sheriff was stupid or bad at his job but i thought he did all he could it was like pretty like neutral good like yeah he had like a big binder he was trying yeah and he like was taking it very seriously um maybe he like didn't consider like i don't know maybe he focused too much on chloe but like things were pointing in that direction he followed the trail yeah he followed the trail and adriana oh so owen's cousin let me just tell you when they put on the screen like when they were like there was only one person from school who was at the family christmas who could have taken this photo and then they're like boom adrian i'm like she did it yeah of course the fact also that there was a picture from like inside the house yeah like that's a little curious lauren's family at the christmas how did she get that photo yes they were there they were the two family christmases it wasn't just owens family christmas yeah i feel like the picture from inside the house on christmas like should have been like the biggest indicator that it was your mom like who was standing right next to you you know yeah or someone in that room like start collecting the phones of the people in adriana enter adriana who's it was in that room and goes to the school right oh she made me so upset she was so sweet like little brace faced girl who obviously just like she doesn't fit in in this small town and you know she's gonna go on to do great things and talk about her time in that town and like it was really upsetting like i i i'm an empath like i just really like i wanted to cry when i saw adriana and also when they said that chloe scored 12 points so it had to have been chloe it's either chloe or the person she knew scored the person that knew that chloe scored the score keeper the crazy ass mom no but like she was right there that's what it is like she was right there in the middle of it like Like, oh, it was the, you know, she was there the whole time.

1:06:33Like, it was seriously, it's not funny. The scorekeeper. Because I'm like, who else would, does Chloe even know she scored 12 points? Like, who really? And also, like, who keeps score that thoroughly, like, on their fingers at a kid's basketball game? The scorekeeper, perhaps. And now that we know it's the mom and we, like, look back at all the things that the mom did. yes I do think that it was her obsession with Owen because why would she have texted Owen's new girlfriend from Pensatucky or whatever why did they ask her that why didn't anyone ask that question yeah and that girl obviously wanted no part of this story she was not in the documentary at all but it's an important factor because if it was all about you know getting close to your daughter then you would have kept it within your town but the fact that Owen went on to have another girlfriend from a town like 45 minutes away and you went and found that girl's parents right yeah and texted them like you're obsessed with owen because you work at 19 and you wanted to fuck owen yeah nobody asked why did you then extend it if you were just doing it to protect your daughter and find the person who's doing it why because you didn't send 50 messages a day harassing your daughter to find the person who once sent her a text message no you she became addicted to it telling her not to come to a party if it started like she said it did to like get down to the bottom of it and then she just became addicted okay sure but i like this theory more that she's a pedophile and i i wish they dove a little bit more deep into they just an offhanded remark from owen's mom being like yeah she was always weird around owen i'm gonna need more information i feel like she sent the first text for the party i feel they had said that it's a party for parents and adults and that lauren wasn't invited which means her parents weren't invited either and i think Lauren was still going to go with Owen and her mom wanted her to stay home and then sent and not go to this cool party that her and her husband were invited to right so sent a text to her bullying her out of going to the party and she saw that she got her way and then it was like an effective method yeah a year later when things weren't going her way in terms of her job and then her 13 year old guy she has a crush on her daughter to stay like she's like oh like maybe I could just send her hate mail and I'll get the things that I want out of her and we could stay home this weekend and go to the movies yeah and like oh when we'll stop coming around or like oh when we'll be ready for me to cut up his steak that's a very good theory too I think cutting up the steak yeah I think the party like I think that's it and and so you have to operate under the assumption that like she sent those text messages of course why would she send 2000 and not 2002 too like it's absurd yeah and why would like they stopped after the party so like why would she then restart it to find out who sent this irrelevant like text kids send me right it's over it's over let a sleeping dog lie and it seems like there's only one person in this tiny town who's like truly capable of sending unknown messages on this like techie app yeah someone who works in tech it did make me like really fearful of like having kids with their own social media accounts like it's so toxic like those tiktoks and the snapchats like it's just even though it was like a grown-ass woman doing the whole thing it just gave me a pit yeah and definitely i don't see why you can't say like no phones at school i guess like if there's like an active shooter situation you know like you can then take it out it shouldn't come out of your backpack like i think that that that's what most schools try to do but the kids like you can't get every single kid to get off their phone they're addicted but then okay they are on their phone when they're not supposed to be you take it away right right i don't see why that's such a big problem we weren't just like in class like texting no right i guess when we had a free period and like things can go down there but i don't know how you stop that train like kids social media on the phones there's that book the anxious generation i know that's what everyone's talking about right i don't know i don't I don't have a perfect solve and I just feel like that was like one issue highlighted in this documentary although it wasn't the focus.

1:10:38I have no idea. Me neither. I hope they don't make a movie out of this story. Like I'm already over it. I didn't think it was like that compelling to begin with and certainly like not satisfying and then the wind up she's not she's like out it's over. Right. So I don't need to like see four iterations of this like the first was fine enough. I just love the dad. Like, I hope there's a nice woman in the town who's keeping his bed warm. I need Storage Wars to go and find the person who bought his storage unit and return it all to him. And then I could sleep. I agree. The storage unit is sort of like the unsung tragedy.

1:11:17Because obviously the tragedy is this mother attacking her own daughter. But what's not getting highlighted enough is the devastation of the loss of the storage unit. And the daughter's not mad. So like, what, should I be mad for her? no she's she's confused yeah it's a very complex range of emotions yeah and owen's big mad owen's big mad he should be the seriously freaky so let's get that storage unit bad if you like what's his name like if you bought a storage unit and you see that guy like i'm gonna go into like pawn shops and like antique stores for the rest of my life like looking for his name on items that i can send back to him yeah i agree kendra her name would be kendra sorry to kendra's listening but what is it like she's such a kendra right labissa or something like she had a like a let me look at that hold on la carrie kendra la carrie in another life she could have been a movie star with that name yeah well she definitely is a star starring oh and when the sister came on slay the house down boot sister in a bar she's in a bar cousin just clocked her cousin yeah they're cousins that she said her mother were sisters they grew up like sisters because they were both only children to sisters yes it was like kendra loves attention like so that was important context they clocked kendra real quick yeah she'd be dancing over there i loved her and she's the whole town was talking about her they didn't know who they were talking about but like she had captured the attention of the town she was a star in her own what she was doing yeah mission accomplished for kenny for Kendra.

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