Recession Indicators with Dorothy Wang: Thursday, December 4th, 2025

21:04Okay. Was that you guys all went to a group dinner and somebody wanted to itemize the bill and you were upset. Off camera. No, no. It was actually opposite. So off. This was three years before. So Roxy and I actually went to USC together. We'd go to a lot of like we would go to spring breaks and stuff all in a big group. And Morgan actually, she didn't go to USC with us but she came. She was like a part of the group. She came with actually her now husband. Oh. And they were all there with us. And we all went to a sushi restaurant. And the vibes are just different. Me and this one other girl, we weren't feeling well.

21:34We ordered one roll to share and we weren't drinking. And everyone else was like eight to ten shots, big dinner, whatever. So we had already said, like, you know, we're just going to share one roll. We, like, made it kind of known. Like, we're tired. We're just going to share one roll. So then when the bill came, they were just like, you just have to pay it. and we're like, what? And then they like cornered me in the bathroom and they're like, your dad is so rich and you're just not gonna pay the bill. And like, it was just kind of like a little bit like disgusting to me. I don't know. Like, I think that obviously you don't want a nickel and dime every, like I had one piece of salad, whatever.

22:08Of course. You guys were at basically two different dinners. Yes, but the gracious thing to do is even at a dinner when I'm ordering more than I'm hungrier than other people, like I'll say, let me leave the tip because I ordered more or I'm drinking and you're not, I'm usually not drinking. So I think it's not – like you notice there's a difference. So why should two people – just because we're sitting there and they're like, you know, you have to just like pay everything and da-da-da-da. And it was just not – Do you not drink? I just don't drink so much anymore. Right, right. Back then I usually was drinking, but that was like our off night.

22:36It was like a Sunday. Right. I think it was just like late and we were just not in the mood. That was so iconic. So then that was a real life thing. So then they knew that Roxy and I had this tiff about it. Yeah, right. And then – so then when we were there, they brought it up again. We went back to the same restaurant. Got it. And they brought it up again and they wanted us to like, you know, bring up the, you know, and it did. We were so drunk. And I think I cried. I think Morgan screamed. Like it was a whole thing. But like when that episode and that storyline was airing, like I was very much in my group dinner era.

23:05Yeah. We were talking about it all the time. But you just have to know, like I usually am like, yes, if you're at a group dinner, everyone's on the same vibe. But like, let's say someone's pregnant. They're not drinking. Yeah. I think the gracious thing to do for the people ordering more is to say you really didn't have a lot. You didn't drink. Like we'll leave the tip or don't worry about it. Or like just pay your share. No, you're so right. And we had already told the waiter, by the way. We told the waiter. That you wanted like a separate bill? We're having a separate bill. That's how it should have been.

23:32Yeah. That's seriously so funny. And it's not like I do it all the time. It was just like once in a while. But also I don't think anyone would look at you and say you're like a cheap person. Yeah, but just like cut me. You don't have a history of cheapness. Yeah, let me save when I can. Like literally. Like one meal off. I have one meal off. I remember when you said, you were like in your confessionals, you were like, rich people don't say rich by just paying for everybody. Like seriously, so iconic. No, but it's true. You gotta, yeah, I did say that. You did? Oh my God, I love that you were both of that.

23:55No, but I tell you like the cultural impact of rich kids does not get talked about enough. Honestly. I feel like we were always everyone's side chick. Like everyone would like, we would have like A-list celebrities come to us like on the low and be like, oh my God, we love your show. I'm like, tweet about it. Yeah. But it was just kind of like, it was a guilty pleasure. Yeah, it was so good. No, total separate. What like wellness beauty things did you do before your wedding? Because you looked insane. Honestly not. When those photos dropped. I know. It was – but it really is just for me this like the healthier and the less I eat.

24:28Like it's just the inflammation goes away. Weight loss is a big – for me like five pounds, ten pounds makes a big difference. Huge. And what I'm eating, if I'm getting inflamed or not, I really didn't do that much honestly because I also have been having my skin allergy issues. I know. You for a while have been posting about like the changes in your diet and like you were having a lot of health issues. Yeah. So I also like when I was younger, I would have done everything, tried everything. Now I think I'm more cautious and just like careful with my body and what I try. So I didn't do anything abnormal.

24:58I mean, what did I do? I think I did some Zoom whitening. I did go to Dr. Belkin and I got Softwave. What's that? But I did it kind of late. It's like a laser, like a tightening laser. It hurts. You have to do the laughing gas with it. Okay. No, but it's like a sting. I have, I hate lasers. I usually never even do lasers because it's like a slow torture. Like I can do an injection, like, okay, five, four, three, two, one, it's over. But a laser, it's like 30 minutes of like burning, burning, burning, burning. Stop. It's like too much. But I did do that. I was like, you know, it's a wedding. You have to do something.

25:28But I just really focused on my diet and eating small portions. And did you even know social media rule? Because I didn't even know you had gotten married until the LP stopped. Yes. So we asked everyone to just hold. We wanted everyone to be saved because everyone was there. We also didn't want anyone to get robbed in their way or anything. So, you know, we brought so many – yes, we brought so many people there. We wanted them to be safe and wanted everyone to, you know, be able to leave Florence. And, you know, before it got out. I love that. The pictures were stunning. We loved the journey. And I'm so excited because while you are a very interesting woman, you also have amazing opinions on other people.

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32:08And you know what? This is actually, I'm not going to go in any particular order, but about what you just said about people getting robbed. So we reported a little while ago that while Kathy Hilton was at BravoCon, along with Sutton Strack, both of their homes were burglarized. And then more details came out that actually Rick Hilton was home. And now we're learning that Rick Hilton actually blasted his shotgun at the burglars during the break-in. So Kathy Hilton is breaking her silence about the terrifying moment that her husband Rick was grabbing a shotgun. He confronted the three burglars. They smashed their way into their swanky L.A.

32:38home while she was away at BravoCon. He was home. And she said he got his shotgun out. Boom. And he said, get the fuck out of here. The police are on their way. Can you believe? Yeah. Yeah. I was actually in LA and I was in the neighborhood when that happened and I heard something. Oh, you're kidding. And I like ran to my family room and I was like, oh my God, I heard something. You heard like a gunshot? I didn't know what it was. I thought it was a loud door slamming. I didn't know what it was. Like I was, as I was in LA and I, you know, was in the neighborhood, I heard. Oh my God. But I also drove past their house at a certain point that night.

33:11I was like, oh, their lights on. I remember noting like, oh, their lights on, like security decoy. Right, that's what people do. Yes. Oh my God. This is just me learning that Rick Hilton is a gun owner. I know. And quick. Quick. And you use a little old. I know. No, no, no. But also like the thing about the gun in the house, I just wonder, it's like what if, do you have to put a gun in every room? I know. What if you're downstairs and the gun is upstairs? Yes, exactly. Then you have to run upstairs or run downstairs. I know. And I also feel like a lot of times like people get like a gun for safety, but when something actually happens, they like forget about it or they freak out.

33:41Or it's so locked away. So Rick was moving quick. You don't often hear about like somebody effectively using their gun for protection. Yes, yes. And that they actually left. Right. Because they worked. Because LA is just so sad right now. I know. It's so. And honestly, when people from all around the world are flying to LA specifically to Target and Rob, you know that there is a hole in the system. It's so true. It's a weak link. Like people are flying from all over the world to Rob. Yes, because it's so easy. Right. And the police time, it takes like 20 minutes for the police to get there. Oh, God.

34:12Yeah. I had a friend who was getting married, actually. And during her wedding, her, like, Nescam went off. They saw robbers. And they're, like, screaming at the robbers through the intercom. Through the camera. We can see you. We're taking screenshots. The police are coming. And they looked in the camera and said, the police will – you live in L.A. The police won't get here for 20 minutes and we'll be out in 12. And they just continued on their way. Oh, they didn't even care. They didn't even care. Oh, my God. And it's just – I think it's just so easy. it's so bad it's so bad and then also when you're a public figure and your schedule's like very public they know Kathy Hilton's not home but they didn't count on Mr.

34:45Rick Mr. Rick with his shotgun I find like now and he shot it in the office air I saw that Rick Hilton is like hot to me now like he protected his home like as a man should as a man's job I know but it would be a shotgun yeah it's like a hundred years old it's like literally like a what do they call it like a musket like from the revolutionary war well I'm glad everyone's okay that's like such a crazy story. Bravo should like just have security for everyone when they leave. I know. It's so insane that this is sort of just like a rite of passage as like either like a wealthy person who lives in LA or a celebrity.

35:17Like so many housewives. Kyle. Yes. In that group and specifically Kyle Dorit, Kathy. Yeah. I think Teddy, her home, even though her husband like works in security. Even Farrah, Kyle's daughter. Insane. Yeah. Have you ever been robbed? Knock on wood, no. Knock on wood, knock on wood, knock on wood. But you're talking about your tongue. Oh, you're so Jewish now. Okay, next story. Miley Cyrus is engaged. And it's just weird. Like, I don't care. She's newly engaged. She flashed her shiny new ring while gushing about her fiance, Max Miranda. So she went on Good Morning America yesterday, spilled the tea.

35:48Oh, she was. Yeah. She said, I'm usually a total control freak. But she surrendered to her relationship, and she was really blindsided by the proposal. She said everything in her life has lined up perfectly from dropping her new song and then her upcoming, you know, whatever. And now getting engaged, she feels like she's really just everything coming up Miley. Oh. I don't know this man No And he has really crazy hair There's one photo of them On a red carpet And they have like matching hair Yes Yes Yes And it's not how I saw Miley's journey ending But I'm here for Miley's happiness I know Is she Is he like a singer An instrumentalist What does he do Okay That's a great question We don't know anything about him I think he's like In the music industry But Miley I feel like she is such an individual That it is hard for her to partner Or like want to be You know And she's working Yeah.

36:36And she's such a good performer. I feel that it's maybe hard, you know, to be like, okay, why don't you come with me? Also scarred from her. Yes. And even though like. But good songs came from that. So good. And that was like for me, that was like my Miley era. Yes. Like her and Liam. We know now how terrible and how toxic it was. Like at the time. I know. She had, yeah, but that's maybe why she went in such a different direction. So he's a drummer. Okay. For her or another band? So he's in a L.A. bass band called Lily, which I, of course, have not heard of. But their band participated in NBC's Miley's New Year's Eve.

37:08Remember when she did that? Yeah, I think I had a friend who managed that band, actually. He wasn't doing a very good job. I'm kidding. Well, they met in 2022 when she – He laughed at that one. When they did Miley's New Year's Eve party in Miami. So I guess that's when they met. Oh. That's cute. I'm happy for her. Like I – She does – she's – you know, she's – we love her. We do. At our house, in the Yankiewicz household. Do you? Brandon's like you know she's just so talented she's a real talent I feel like Brandon doesn't say anything mean about anyone no there's no no no he has opinions oh he does he won't like air the mountain about but he just has opinions like and he'll just she thinks that he's like she's like a good girl she works really hard she's super talented like great to watch do you think your husband has made you softer yes I think so I think so too in a good way I think so I think he has and also like the thing I always tell Brandon is like he doesn't like the sassy so I've kind of like I'm not as sassy anymore yeah well we miss it.

38:03But maybe you don't need to be sassy. I don't know. No I think that's also like a part of growing up I find that also like everything out of my mouth used to just be like snarky and it was annoying. Yes and it was like everything needed to be a zinger but now I'm like I can just let the other party relax and like I can relax too a little bit. And it's just like so much more calm that way. Yes. Look at us progressing and maturing. And it's not like a great time for this story because I do have something snarky to say. Okay. But and that's only because it's about Prince Harry who's probably my least favorite person on the planet and I would actually love your take.

38:32We had high hopes for Prince Harry. So before I get into the story, what is your take on Meghan Harry and like the internet's obsession with them? Are they obsessed with them? In a negative way. I feel like they're being pushed on us in a way that I don't know. Like I don't know anyone that still cares. And I just think that their hook on us is that they're part of the royal family, right? And every day that goes past that they've left the royal family, I feel like we're less and less interested. Right. And I just, I don't like that they, I don't know. first of all, you decide to join a family, the most public family in the world.

39:03And then you just like, you kind of have to know what you're getting into. And then you're going to rip it apart. But did she really not know what she was getting into? So this is like my whole thesis in the toasters. I'm sorry for repeating myself again, but like, there's a lot of speculation about what went down during her time in the family. And I feel like based on what I know from their retelling of the story and their documentary on Netflix, but also just like being a discerning, you know, commentator on culture, I do really feel like she had no idea. and she didn't know how difficult it would be.

39:31She thought it'd just be kind of fun. And I think that he is to blame for her experience. I think they collectively blame other members of the family when in reality, like it was on Harry to get her a teacher. It was on Harry to get her a stylist. It was on Emily Post. Like he did none of that for her. And in the documentary they were like, and the family didn't prepare me. It's like, he's the villain. Like he's born into this. He knows. He knows how it's supposed to go. He's seen how Kate's done it. He's seen what happened to his mother. Yes. So I like so blame Harry. And I think she receives a lot of the hate in like the States for what should be hate towards him.

40:08Like I'm pro hating Harry. I'm pretty ambivalent on Meghan. I do think people are really hard on her. But I also think like she has no clue that like how people really feel about her. She really needs to like take a step back. But I think they need the money. I think they need the money. I think she's beautiful. I will give her that. But I am always a little, I don't know, sketched out about someone they've never had an Instagram. Like she had bigger plans for herself. Like she was playing that card. So she did have an Instagram for her blog, the Tig, right? Oh, okay. But she didn't have, you're right, like a personal.

40:36But for her to say she didn't even know who he was. Oh, please. Yeah, that's a lie. Do you know what I mean? That's a little lie. But I also don't like that they talk, they want to leave, they don't want to. It seems like they want all the perks of being associated. Now she's like wants everyone to call her by the title. The title thing. I mean, now it's like I think she knows that that's her thing. And that's the only thing that people are interested in. And so she has to – but I feel like she's just using it to their benefit. And so the reason why I chose this story is because a lot of the times like they are – I don't even know what tier of celebrity I would include them in.

41:07I often compare them to the Obamas because they're like political – like politicians. I don't know what they are. But I often find them doing things now that like people at their level should never do. And Harry made a TikTok, like a lip-syncing TikTok with Stephen Colbert. Like he went on the Colbert show, which is kind of crazy, but they're just – that's what they do now. They're just like sort of regular celebrities. So I don't think it's so crazy that he went on the Colbert show, but they did a lip sync. And I was like – What was the show? What was the song? It was not a song. It was like a clip from the Great British Bake Off.

41:38Oh, I love that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's like a viral sound from it. And so it's just two people talking and making a joke and it's Stephen and Harry. And it's quite shocking because there's something really degrading. Times are tough. Yeah. Times are tough for Prince Harry and Montecito. But I also see a lot of blind items about how moochy they are. Oh, on other people. Yes. I hear that too and I actually can see that. And they overstayed their welcome. They always try to get on the plane. They try to get on the boats. They try to stay in the guest houses. In terms of like the LA neighborhoods, explain to me Montecito.

42:08But Montecito is in Santa Barbara so it's very far. It's like a four-hour drive from Los Angeles. Is a fair comparison like the Hamptons almost? I don't know. Montecito and Santa Barbara I feel like have been having like a big moment. But it's not like people go for the weekend. Do people mostly live there or it's more like second homes? Live there. Or they'll go and like visit for maybe go to the Rosewood. I guess people do go, but it is far. It's not like the Hamptons. But also people in New York have a different type of just like gust for life. They'll drive for hours. In LA people, like in New York everyone's down for everything.

42:42Like they're down for the journey to get to the destination. In LA everyone's like, I'm just going to stay home this weekend. That's so funny. It's very rare. Do you like living in New York? I love it. You do? Yes, I love it. You think you're here forever? I think so. Yeah. I mean, definitely for the near future at least. But it was so refreshing, especially when I came, I was single. Right. And so people like to do things here, which is very different than L.A. And I always say in L.A., I would maybe see my best friends like at most like once every two weeks. Oh, wow. Here you see everyone like four times a week, four times a day even.

43:12Everyone's always doing stuff. In L.A., everything's so separate. But now even when I go back to L.A., I'm like eating dinner at home. when you don't, when you're not used to like circuiting and doing a lot, every small thing seems like so much. And then you stop going out at all. Yeah, I think also in LA, like people have everything in their houses, right? Like I don't need to go to the gym. I have a little gym here. LA is so house. Like I actually went to LA a couple weeks ago when BravoCon was happening and had like a nice like hang with my friends. Like I wanted to do cozy hangs. No one does cozy hangs in New York.

43:40Because you're like, why don't you come over and watch a movie? And then everyone's like, let's go to Cipriani. No one ever hangs in a house. No, they don't. So there, like I had a sound bath. and we did, we ordered in goop. We watched movies. We had like cozy nights. Yeah. And it just felt like it was like kind of what I needed after the wedding. Do you think you'll stay in the city? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're city people. Is your husband from the city? He's from Long Island. He was born in Queens and then moved to Long Island when he was younger. A real tri-state man. Since college, I think he's been in the city.

44:05So Harry went on Stephen Colbert. They made like, I heard he got booed by the audience because like he made a joke about Trump and then they made this TikTok and like honestly. can we watch it yeah i think it was it aired last night and like nobody's talking about the interview they're just talking about the tiktok or at least i am because to me it's a recession indicator yes i was gonna say dark times yes just when you think that there's something that they won't do because they really did leave they did save for privacy but i think we learned what after that really wasn't a priority it was just like getting away but like every time they announced something like her doing a podcast two podcasts like i'm sorry that's insane yeah but at one point And I had the same job as the Duchess.

44:46Like it's the same. Yeah. But the podcast didn't get renewed, right? The Spotify one. No. So she had two. She had a Spotify one called Orchetypes that like stopped in the middle. Okay. And then like a couple of years later she was like, I'm bringing you back. Confessions of a Female Founder. Okay. Which is like about women in business. Okay. And they did like four episodes on Zoom and then did not do a second season. That's interesting. No, no. Like her whole thing is like announcing big projects and stopping. Him too. Because he had a three book deal and he only did one. I don't think he has that much more to say.

45:15I thought the same. I don't think it's – the lights are not, you know, that bright. Right. I'm so excited about this story because I'm dying to hear your take on everyone's new face from Stephen Levine. Oh, my God. Dr. Stephen Levine. So apparently he was at Kris Jenner's birthday party and everyone wanted to talk to him. I heard he has like a four-year wait list and a face costs$250 ,000. Well, Kris Jenner's talking more openly about her face stuff and she says that her nose is probably the only real thing on her face. That's not true. I know. she's saying like the remnants of her nose i guess so chris jenner what do you say it looks like the nose has been worked on it does it does but maybe with the face level maybe it's filler so on the new episode of kardashians she's spending time in paris with kim um so chris then joked that her nose is probably the only thing on her face that's real reality star admitted to undergoing a facelift by dr stephen levine ahead of her 70th birthday and then in reply kim claims that her teeth are real amid the celebrity veneer craze what's your thoughts some veneers i've always wanted veneers and i get scared do you not have smile you have beautiful teeth they could be a little bit veneers it's just like it's always you know i feel like always on here's the thing in la what someone said to me well you're moving to new york now you don't need veneers it's different in la like everyone has veneers and everyone is like you know but i just i also as much as as vain as i am i always i'm very like practical and i'm like a little I always try to err on the side of caution.

46:36Like with veneers, you don't know how they're going to react. And if you shave down your teeth, there's no going back. Exactly. And what if like the trends change and veneers aren't cool anymore? And I like to eat. Like what if like I hear like if you have veneers, you can only chew a certain way. Sometimes it does on the line. You just don't know. It's just very risky. I like the look of veneers. I would love to just, you know, know for sure my teeth are going to be glowing and – Forever. Out like that forever. But it kind of scares me. Yeah. And the gums. Jackie's always saying like we will never be truly like successful celebrities because we have our real teeth.

47:04No, you can tell someone's commitment to fame if they get veneers. It's true. There are indicators of who really is going to do everything to make it, and it's the veneer girls. And some people have good veneers. Some. Yes. I would say overwhelmingly, I can tell pretty much every person who has veneers. I can tell, and they're huge, and it becomes their whole mouth. I mean, Miley. Yes. I feel like Miley's teeth are a cautionary tale. I know. They pop out of her mouth, and everyone talks about it. It's like the first thing they say about her, and she's like a beautiful young woman. Yes. I feel like - But she always had a little, like, I don't know.

47:35She had a snaggle tooth on Hannah Montana. I feel like she's always wearing, like, a flipper. Yeah. Do you know what I'm thinking? Yes, 1 ,000. Very JonBenet. Like a little. Yeah. I don't know, like, who to blame for the veneer craze, but I do feel like it's really gone too far. But I think now we all live in what looks good in a picture. Everyone's getting their bodies to what looks good in a picture. But what looks good in a picture always looks so intense in real life. What do you think of Dr. Stephen Levine? Like, in his work, Lindsay Lohan. You know what? I am so happy that he's young. so by the time we need facelifts, he's still going to be in the prime of his game.

48:04I love that. He's not going to be like 80 years old. I love that. I know. So I'm dying to meet him. Are you pro-facelift? Like what's your – Yeah, why not? But I also – I hear that also facelifts are – before the wedding, I went to like every doctor that you – You did. Like Dr. Diamond, doctor – like all over the world and was like, do I need a facelift? And they all did the little testing. You don't need a facelift. They said I would get a 10 % increase of whatever my aesthetics. Tightness, yeah. 10 % as they said is not enough. I agree. Like they want that number to get to 30, 40, then we can talk.

48:34So they said maybe in a couple years or whatever. But I want, I was like, what do I need to do before the wedding? Really? I was thinking upper bluff. I was thinking facelift. I was thinking I almost got a lip lift. It's also funny because when I'm in LA, I'm like, I'm going to get a lip lift. And I leave. And I'm like, nope, I'm not going to do it. So actually, I did a lip lift. You did? Yours looks natural. Bullhorn? Is it a lip lift? Lip flip. Oh, lip flip. Botox. Which is like your Botox. Oh, okay. What's a lip lift? Oh, that's when they literally cut it and they sew it and it goes like – Oh, you know what?

49:01Sometimes I see people whose like noses and like mustaches are like connected. The problem is you can – there's always a scar. Yeah. There's always a scar. And if you already have a nose job or whatever scars on your face and it's okay, but like to kind of put a scar right here is kind of not good. What doctor – because I feel like there's always like a doctor of the moment. Like Dr. Orion, remember like when the Kardashians were obsessed with him? Oh, my gosh. Yes. And Dr. Steven Levine is the doctor of the moment. But you have to go to different doctors or different things. So right. So Kylie also posted her doctor for her boobs.

49:28Who? I forget who it was. I think it started with an M. I don't remember. Somebody was like, Kylie, please let us know what you did to your boobs. They look amazing. And she was like, here's what I asked for. Here's what I went to. Under the muscle. Right under the muscle. Yes. They are embracing this like new era of transparency because I think for so many years they've gotten really criticized about like the beauty standard and what they're doing for women and just to be open about it. And they've like decided like a year ago that they're going to start talking about it, which I love. Yes. But I don't like require it, you know?

49:55Like if you want to share it with me, great. If not, how you look has no – Because I also feel like a lot of people, they're very open about it personally amongst friends. Yes. But publicly you can't really go on a red carpet and say I did this and this and this. But you're open with your friends, you know? Yeah. So I guess what Kris Jenner is saying is like she's been nipped and tucked in every way. They did like this TikTok live last night, which recession indicator that Kardashian is doing a TikTok live. When I saw the clip of Kim being like, oh, and you can buy this four pack for$15. I was shook.

50:20I was like, what? How much is she getting? is she getting equity in TikTok? And then I was scrolling TikTok. Well, no, TikTok streaming is just huge right now. Yeah. And then I was scrolling TikTok last night and it came up for me and Chloe was on it. And let me tell you, I was fucking cackling. She was being so funny. I was actually really enjoying it. She did a live or she was like selling something? It was like a live, it was like a QVC. Okay. So Kim was there, Chloe was there, Chris was there. Kyle was there. Kyle was there, Kathy Hilton stopped by. Nick from Love Island was there. Like it was just insane.

50:47But I actually watched it. Snoop Dogg, yes. I watched it and I actually really enjoyed it. Really? It was funny. And then they started selling and I was like out. Yeah. Because I do wear a ton of skims, but I just buy them on the website. Yeah. Where was I going with this? Oh, her nose. So she says that her nose is like the only thing on her face that isn't touched. And I just feel like why would that be the case? I feel like the nose job is like kind of a gateway drug to more plastic surgery. I feel like that – I'm just going to say. I feel like that nose has been touched. Yeah. Or maybe just like it's a mirage because everything else has been.

51:17Or maybe it's like the most untouched. Like there is still some, like I said, remnants of the old nose there. It's also just interesting that they're like opening up so much and they really will not tell us about their asses. That's like the one thing they'll never admit to. No, that is true. We'll talk about everything. But that. And it's like, girl, we know. But I'm all for her face. But they also say like I went to a doctor in LA and they said, you know, there's a certain age. There's a certain age to where fillers and Botox work for you. Okay. Because it's like heavy. But once you get to a certain age, you can't do the filler anymore.

51:50You just have to lift up. It's not about filling out. It's about lifting up. Right. Like you can't fill out skin that's going down. That's right. You know, I mean, now with technology, we're going to all look amazing until we're. What city, because you travel a lot. What city do you think is the best like beauty? Do you do any Korean beauty? Like where do you go? I did go to Seoul. But you have to, when you go to a doctor, it's important that you have the same aesthetic as they do. I say that about every doctor. Like when I tell friends like where they should go do this and that, you have to have the same vision.

52:19Because if you think looks good on you, it's different than what they want to do to you. That's not good. So when I went to Korea, it was actually very interesting. So they asked me – the first thing that this doctor asked me was, do you want to look youthful or do you want to look snatched? So it's two different things. So in Korea, if you notice, everyone's like soft and round. Yes. Like even the tiny, tiny girls. It's not chiseled. Right. So it's like one or the other. But it's different beauty standards too. So there everything's a little bit rounder and fuller. So sometimes it's like a little, I didn't do the salmon sperm facial because I was scared because it hurt too much, but I did do some like little like collagen drops.

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58:58I think it's cute. I think it's nice that she found love and I think it's good for him. I think it's good for their brands. I think, you know. Totally. You're a big Swifty. I am a big Swifty and I'm a big fan of this relationship. So anytime they give us like a drop of detail, like I have to talk about it. I mean, they're always out in New York. They are. Oh, and it's such a great way to like find out like what's cool. Because they're always good. They go to Chez Margot. Yes. What do you think is like the spa right now? Once I was at Chez Margot and whenever we go, we're members. So whenever we go, we like give our friends tours.

59:25So one night we're like trying to open to give our friend a tour. And the security came. I was like, you can't go in there. And I was like, why? Like we always go in there. Like not tonight. And I was like, it's so weird because it's a members club. You should have access to everything unless it's a private event. And then when we left, we saw the Swifties outside with like, you know, things to sign and photos and stuff. And we're like, oh my God, it was Taylor Swift inside. That's very cool. But it's very interesting because I would think that if I was them and I was going to a members club, then I would like want to be like out with everyone.

59:49Because members club is already pre-edited. Like if you want to really just be alone, then why not just stay home? Yeah. It's like a good group of people. That's a good point. I feel like a members club should be a safe space to go. Why go to a members club and block off air? You could just go to any restaurant and block it off. And they pretty much exclusively, when they're in New York, go to members clubs. They were recently at Zero Bond, Costa Cipriani. That's a good point. They sometimes go to that place. What's it called? Mizuna? Wait, it's in meatpacking. Almost like Mezal. It's like close to the Gansevoi.

1:00:17I forget what it's called. I'm a grandma and I don't leave the house anymore. So I don't know the cool spots. He is like an investor in that restaurant. Oh, very cool. Well, in addition to being a football player. Yes. So he shared. He had a show on E! before. Of course. Oh, wait. Chasing love or growing love. Catching Kelsey. Catching Kelsey. What is the timeline? Were you on the air at E! at the same time as him? Yes, because I remember going in and, like, the people that the executives have worked at E! They were like, oh, my God, he's, like, so cute and real. Like, they were, like, gushing over him.

1:00:44So charming. Right. So cute. So tall. Because we're like, who's this guy? He was a real nobody. And it was, like, such a random show at the time. Yes. Because it wasn't, like, catching Tom Brady. It was crazy he got that show at that time. I know. I feel like they literally just asked a football player and he just showed up. Yeah. He was a good player. He wasn't famous. He wasn't like Tom Brady. He maybe had an agent or maybe he always wanted a little extracurricular something. Yes. He's always had a big personality. Yeah. That show is so good. I didn't watch it, but they were – all the girls that you were obsessed with.

1:01:12I recently re-watched a couple episodes. Really? It's so good. And the brother's on it. Jason. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, so Travis Kelsey has shared that he asked the Kansas City Chiefs to not play Taylor Swift songs at the games that she is at. She's shy girly. Yeah. I think it's also just like awkward. Yeah. And he's saying that he's like – it's been attributing to him being like a real team player and like not wanting to make it about him and it's about the team. I feel like it's also like toxic NFL fans like would boo if like Shake It Off came on. But her music is very like family friendly. I feel like it does get played at those stadiums.

1:01:48They should naturally play it. Maybe not all the time. Maybe not Panda Her. But if it's already on the playlist, they should play it. Going out of your way. So do you listen to any Taylor Swift? If it happens to come on, but I don't search it. What do you listen to? Who's your number one Spotify rapped? I don't even look. I'm a weirdo. Now that I don't drive, I don't listen to music. Oh, that's so true. I used to just listen to music in the car. I don't even know. I don't even think I've downloaded anything on Spotify. I'll look up little podcasts here and there. I was going to say, do you listen to any podcasts?

1:02:15I listen to you and Tings. Of course. Such good taste. That's all I have time for in my agenda. The top two girlies. Love that. But you know, really, that's it. Now, was Justin, because Justin was here yesterday. I know you and Justin are really good friends. Was Justin at all on Rich Kids? He was a producer. Oh, you're kidding. I met Justin. I remember the text. Farrah texted me when we were like 24 years old and was like, oh my God, my mom has this cute new assistant. He's so fun. Like, come over. His name's Justin. and I want you to meet him. Like we're so excited for this assistant. That's so funny.

1:02:48And he was a lady sitter. And then we all met. And then as time went on, he was just our friend. And then we had a position on Rich Kids as a talent producer. And he's very good with talent, getting us on time, getting them, talking us down when we need to. He's our friend. We did. That's so funny. I didn't know that. So he was a talent producer for us. And then he had, and then one day he was like at E! And then all of a sudden he's like on E! News. And then he's doing red carpet. And he's like, you know, but he was a real hustler. Yes, he's a real hustler who's writing a book. You know, he just has a lot of talents.

1:03:16He's very charismatic. And he really is like, it's really like, you know, if you are that type of person and you're like, put that out in the universe, you really can achieve and get to wherever you want. Like now he's literally like talking to Oprah on the Today Show. Hoda said that Justin is her choice to replace her. I'm seeing him after this. I know. He was here yesterday. He told me. I love him. That whole, like, generation of, like, rich kids and how you all went on to, like, really just grow up so nicely. Like, it's been a real treasure to watch. We're not like the Disney kids. No, right.

1:03:48Like, nobody, like, spun out or went. Everybody, like, still is fabulous and doing their own thing. And, yeah, there's no, like, tragedy there. Knock on wood, you know? Knock on wood. Right. Okay, and now tell me what you're watching. Like, what TV shows are you obsessed with right now? So, right now we've been watching The Beast and Me. Have you watched Claire Danes? Claire Danes. I haven't. I like these little thrillery type shows. Do you read books? I used to. I used to. Before the wedding I did and then when wedding came up I was just so busy there was no time and I haven't gotten back into it.

1:04:16Yeah, because that show looks like one of those classic psychological thriller books. And you liked it? Girl the Trains. Right, exactly. I like the limited series, I think. Because I think sometimes when it gets to season two, season three, Brandon loves sci-fi which is like, no, I can't. I can't. And he loves it so much he wants me to go to these movies with him and we've been watching pluribus which is kind of okay for sci-fi it's like you know what pluribus is i know am i even saying it right i don't i was just laughing at her reaction what the hell is this sci-fi three body problems like all these sci-fi things i'm really excited to watch kimura back in the fab lane okay so glad that she is back on tv because kimura was my everything really my everything being a sassy chinese girl living in the usa i was like this is my icon oh my god when you did Did you, on Rich Kids, go take a trip to China?

1:05:06Yes. And you went to the mall? Yes. Oh, my God. That was – And we turned on the lights and it was the whole thing. Did you ever meet people in China who were, like, familiar with the show? E didn't stream in China. Got it. So E is, like, usually just within the U.S. Yeah. But it did air in, like, the U.K. and France and stuff like that. But not in China. So when you were just, like, rolling through this Chinese mall with a big camera crew. They were just like, oh, like, Chairman's Daughters filming a show. Oh, right. Chairman's Daughters. Yeah. It was just, like, Chairman's Daughters. doing something.

1:05:34What do you make of Becca Bloom? I like Becca. You do? We know each other. We've met once. Like from like the Chinese community or from like the Instagram? No. Or social media? Our parents don't know each other but I met her at Oscar de la Renta they had at the Save Venice Gala. We sat next to each other. Oh, wow. She's very sweet. Yeah. Was she with her man? Her man was not there. He was like at the cocktail but then took a call and wasn't at the dinner. It's always a call. Yeah. There's always a call. He was on a call to Amazon she said. But she's sweet. But she also in person though she's a little bit more chill.

1:06:04Like I remember she said brah and I was like oh. She said what? Brah. Like not like you know what I mean. That's crazy that she said brah. She was like oh my god brah. Because she's from NorCal. Wow. That's shocking. Yes. That's the most shocking thing you said here today. So she says brah. I was kind of shocked too and she was like damn. But she was like cool. You know. Like she was chill. She was fun. What does your husband do for a living? He's an attorney. Oh okay. Attorney at law. Wayne Yankovitz. I love it. Yankovitz law firm. Yankowitz law firm. Okay. What kind of law? Personal injury, a mass tort.

1:06:37So is he like kind of a real stickler about following the law? Oh, yeah. Like the speed limit? Yeah. Oh, my God. He goes under this. I always joke with him about like that he's going to get a ticket for going under the speed limit. So, so, so safe. But he gets all these – he sees so many terrible cases that come through because people are, you know, speeding and so he's very by the law. I feel that. What about like jaywalking? Will he jaywalk? Jaywalking? No, he just always wants everyone to be safe. So he's like the dad when we're all walking. He's like blocking traffic. Like, you know, the men that walk on the side of the traffic.

1:07:07The curb, yeah. Yes. I love that. He's very sweet. I've loved chatting with you. You are just a doll. I love this. Hopefully this is not your last time on the toast. No, I mean, I'm just around the corner. I know. I feel like I'm going to take it. Well, I've been in like a cave for a year. Yeah. But I'm starting to emerge. Like I'm actually going out next weekend. Yeah. I run into your husband sometimes, Abby. My husband is so social. We should do dinner, but my husband is so social. Pickleball. Pickleball. Brandon loves pickleball. Does he? Ben and I. Well, I haven't played in a little while, but Ben and I love pickleball.

1:07:37We're actually members of a members pickleball club. Just pickleball? Yes. There's no tennis. They don't want to mix it. It's just pickleball. What about Padell? No Padell. Oh, wow. In the city? It's just pickleball. It's in the city. It's in Hell's Kitchen. It's at the Glass House. Okay. And so actually the owners of the Glass House are big pickleball players, and they don't like that it's like pickleball and tennis, so they just are like, we're going to open just a pickleball club on one full floor. That's so funny. we'll go one day I would love that that'd be fun guys thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Millennium Morning Show where we deliver the Fast Five Stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give us a video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast anywhere podcasts can be found so that's Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher public video, iHeart, Radiocastbox all the places wherever you listen to podcasts find us at Toast leave you a five star review about how beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are there's no teleprompter no there's no teleprompter I just want everyone to know she is just this is talent at its best listen And that's what I do.

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