Sinister Guys with Mormon Wives: Monday, September 14th, 2026

9:49Claudia Oshry:Yeah, it's true. The holiday has started. The days have commenced. It ends on Yom Kippur, which is next Monday. Yeah. So there won't be a show a week from today. And trust us, we would rather be live streaming the toast for 24 hours than fasting.

10:03Jackie Oshry:You think you're suffering without the toast? We're suffering without food for 25 hours. I know, but you know what?

10:07Claudia Oshry:The only thing we're seeing in people is like making it longer by talking about it all the time and like thinking about it. Okay, moving on. So we're moving on. I hosted the second night of Rosh Hashanah in my new house, like my first feast in the new house, literally working so hard. We were literally like screwing in light bulbs like as I'm setting the table.

10:23Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

10:24Claudia Oshry:Because finally like the right ones come with the torch end, so I had to glass it up a little bit.

10:28Jackie Oshry:Of course, of course. Very Beauty and the Beast.

10:30Claudia Oshry:Yes, very Beauty and the Beast. lots of lanterns and it was great it i made the j cohen brisket which i love to make it's a timeless recipe it's a timeless recipe i always doubt it in the middle like when i take it out of the fridge the next day i'm like what is this direct it's kind of like a crazy recipe you have

10:46Jackie Oshry:to trust the process you do because it's like the an hour before it looks weird like yeah and then i

10:52Claudia Oshry:like i i got a little nervous and i served it whatever carried on i like forgot to ever taste it until we sat down I was like oh this is really good thank god yeah you can trust it like we have

11:02Jackie Oshry:and we've made it like wrong we've made it right and it always turns out good I just want to say

11:06Claudia Oshry:the best time we ever made it was that time that we vlogged it and we didn't know what we were

11:10Jackie Oshry:doing that was the best it ever went when we talk about like the great vlogs obviously like the great chili cook-off comes to mind there are a couple we always forget about the great brisket

11:17Claudia Oshry:cook-off and it's one of our best vlogs ever yeah it really is so it was a beautiful holiday

11:21Jackie Oshry:Olivia hosted first night she did an amazing job yeah I missed like I had FOMO we missed you I also wasn't on my phone you guys know I've been like keeping my phone off for Shabbat and I decided to do the whole holiday so from Friday night to Sunday night I did not have a phone yeah we missed you on

11:37Claudia Oshry:the phone too I tried to like be on my phone like not on Instagram just on like text if if needed but yes it was like a very fulfilling long weekend though you know lots of like it was Oh my God. Then I like promised the boys French toast. So I'm like, I just, I felt like I was seriously like cooking like three meals each day. Like real meals.

11:56Jackie Oshry:Right. Giving 1950s housewives.

11:57Claudia Oshry:Not just like whipping something up.

11:59Jackie Oshry:I didn't cook one single thing or clean one single dish. I outsourced every meal to my in-laws. Like shout out to them because I really was not in the mood. And it was lovely. It was lovely just to like go and come back.

12:09Claudia Oshry:I didn't have that experience, but it was lovely to host. Have everyone around my new table. The rug did not get stained. Thank God for that. because I gave the children

12:18Jackie Oshry:non-stained food. And then at the end of like what was the longest weekend ever, I also had a wedding. Now, I was actually really excited about this wedding because you guys know I don't like love weddings unless like I love the couple or there's going to be a lot of celebrities there. And last night happened to have been both where like I love the couple and I knew there was going to be a lot of famous people there. So Ben's friend Mario Carbone of Carbone Fine Foods married his longtime girlfriend, Kate Bailey, who we talk about here all the time. He's like an OG publicist. She's like an OG New York swirly.

12:44Jackie Oshry:Like I've known her forever. And it was just like, It was, first of all, I knew, I knew I had a couple of ideas of who was going to be there. Right. Of course, Alex Earl comes to mind.

12:54Claudia Oshry:She's a publicist or was and friend.

12:56Jackie Oshry:Of course. Like a New York Knick or two comes to mind. Of course. There were a couple of surprises, you know, Sylvester Stallone. Because I saw this woman. I'm like, oh, my God, is that Taylor Swift? Like, seriously, I thought I actually thought it was Taylor Swift. Turns out it's Sylvester Stallone's wife. I didn't even know that she was like over here looking like Taylor Swift. Like, she's gorgeous. She's very beautiful. If you want to know what Taylor Swift's going to look like when she's like more of a mature woman, she's going to look exactly like that. And she's going to be gorgeous. Like it was insane.

13:19Claudia Oshry:I sat next to her on the plane once. Did I ever tell you that? Oh, no. And fly.

13:23Jackie Oshry:Did you think that she looked like Taylor Swift?

13:26Claudia Oshry:No. Well, you know what? When I was flying home with Charlie, when he was like two weeks old, when we came home from New York, like after Sir Clashgate. So like I had a two week old Ami and I was just like sort of focused on myself.

13:36Jackie Oshry:Of course, of course, of course.

13:37Claudia Oshry:But not enough to not realize that. You're still you. I was sitting right behind me.

13:42Jackie Oshry:So there were like lots of celebrities. Obviously, I focus more on like the digital crew and they definitely did congregate in a certain area. And I was grateful to be there and be a part of it. Remy, my mentee, was there who I spent like most of the night with.

13:53Claudia Oshry:You know what I've realized recently? Like influencers and like digital people, like they really do it for me, like more so than like traditional celebrities. I agree. I agree. Me too. Yeah. Like when you're telling me all this tea, I'm like, wait, tell me about the influencers.

14:08Jackie Oshry:In a room full of people, I look like I look for Ashley Dupree Earl, you know? and people I look for Paige Paul oh girl me too I did not know she was going to be there same with

14:17Claudia Oshry:Morgan Stewart like let me tell you more so than like Jessica Alba I don't know if she was there but like she wasn't not that I know that's the sort of person like people get excited about like an actress or whatever like no I care about the influencers yeah and it was like kind of

14:28Jackie Oshry:influencer heavy um and I said to Remy because Remy's like really close with all the girls um I saw her talking to Ashley and TJ and I was like you have to introduce me to Ashley and she was like really like no no I was like you have to introduce me so I went over and Ashley had like she recognized I think she had seen what we had said about her she was very gracious very lovely she's very beautiful I feel that the show does not show what she really looks like she's tiny she's gorgeous she's like a very chiseled face TJ looks exactly the same and he didn't say one word and he was kind of scaring me I was like either he doesn't know me and it's just ignoring me or he knows me and hates me like he was just like giving like scary I was like okay I feel like

15:07Claudia Oshry:he didn't know like who you were and he just saw you were like a fan I am a fan but like Ashley I

15:12Jackie Oshry:think knew the context and she was very grateful and she was so beautiful like I really um you were taking like okay well I actually put something I really pride myself on is like I can be cool like I'm a cool person um I do feel that last night I lost my cool at one point and like I keep I was telling Jackie on the phone I keep replaying it in my mind like I actually want to die like I

15:32Claudia Oshry:want to die you're so authentic that you're gonna share this really okay it's like it's just not

15:39Jackie Oshry:something it's something someone would feel but like not say yes but i i feel that i found the perfect analogy for it and okay so i saw alex out there late and it's crazy like she like wherever she goes there was like a light following her she's seriously so famous she is so gorgeous like you've never seen the body the face the hair like it was insane like i didn't even know she was behind me but I could feel her you know what I mean and I'm sitting at this table it doesn't surprise anyone that like me and Ben ate the entire time it was a very food focused wedding this is a man who invented carbone like he is a world-renowned chef the food was insane like me and Ben just kept making plates like we were eating and we were sitting at this little table with like a random guy like he was eating too he was super nice actually um and of course like Ben got his phone number and they're going into this together um but it was a kind of random crew and And Alex Earl like walked by and we like locked eyes for a second.

16:33Jackie Oshry:I wasn't going to bother her. Like I've met her a couple of times. We're certainly like not friends. But we follow each other on Instagram and like I'm her number one fan, obviously. And I wasn't going to bother her. And then she like we locked eyes and she kept walking. And then she turned around and came over and said hello. And she was like, hi. She was seriously so nice that like the analogy I keep saying is because she was just first of all, she was standing there like a statue, like literally like a marble Italian statue. and I'm like sitting eating obviously and it just felt like a scene in like a 90s like high school set like mean girls literally but she's not a mean girl we're like Regina George the coolest girl the head cheerleader comes over to like sit at the loser table like you know what I mean I because she was like hi and I was like oh my god she's actually talking to me and I was just I feel like the face that I made I was like hi like I just felt like such a loser like and she didn't mean I'm projecting, because I am a loser.

17:28Jackie Oshry:She couldn't have been nicer. Something she did. No, it was just something about her. I became a loser. And I think that I'm actually inherently not a loser. I'm not. She couldn't have been nicer. She was like, I've been loving your guys' takes. And I was like, ah! And I was asking her all about the show. And she was just seriously regal, queen-y, exactly what you would want your fave to be. She is. Wow. prior to that sally had come over um she was like first of all i grabbed my phone when i saw sally she came over and she was like oh my god you guys are always talking about me and i was like yes we have to call jackie she was like call her right now jackie didn't pick up i literally call back

18:10Claudia Oshry:just went had gone downstairs to take the lid off my loaf in the oven and i come back up and i missed

18:16Jackie Oshry:the call and i had sent her like a screenshot of her missed face time with me page paul a voice

18:21Claudia Oshry:voice a video voicemail yeah and i was like girl sally wants to chat which no one could ever find but like it is there somewhere and it was sally and page paul and then like we all went to get

18:31Jackie Oshry:drinks and like it was just like not like you were no longer a priority but then you call me back and so i i we you did get to telecommunicate to chat with my girl with sally she the they're just like the cool girls that crew like you could just feel their energy ashton was there with landon barker i don't know if i'm like not supposed to say that but like they were very much dating they're dating yeah um but like the earls and the surrounding planets like they have seen our takes they have

18:57Claudia Oshry:seen the earl meets world recap on the toes and i feel good about that you know and i don't do it for that reason but it is always nice when someone saw like the nice things you said about them

19:07Jackie Oshry:todd was there and alissa cute yeah like the whole crew alissa's very gorgeous they're all yeah it sounds like it was full of gorgeous people oh the whole wedding was full of beautiful people like it was actually overwhelming to be in the presence oh it's all the michelle literally she was like walking in one room i was walking out and like obviously like i know her i love her and she did come on the podcast but like she does a lot of stuff and she was like oh my god hi how's your sister and i was like oh and then she made she was introduced to her husband she's like zandy these are the sisters with the podcast and i was like us you recognize me she seriously couldn't a bit nicer and then walks in craig conover and him and leah know each other of course i was like how do you know each other craig knows everyone craig looks really handsome i love that for him yeah and he said he had like a lot to tell me and then like i kind of never saw him again and i was like hoping to follow up on on what he had wanted to say chase down that t that sort of information yeah oh there are performers at this wedding benson boone my fave your fave great wedding

20:10Claudia Oshry:performer like yeah for sure perfect choice like people young old they know him yeah and his music is the sort of music you want to boogie to oh it was boogie boogie s did he sing the alex earle song no and then she did a lyrical dance a solo performance i would have loved that with uh mark val chmierkovsky yeah time of my life love that maybe um what else can i share before i wrap

20:37Jackie Oshry:because I just was sort of at this really important gala that everyone's talking about. It was beautiful. Bride looked insane. Body tea.

20:45Claudia Oshry:Do you make any new friends? That's a good question.

20:47Jackie Oshry:I actually knew a lot of people there, which was nice to see. My girl Castamicia. I love her.

20:52Claudia Oshry:Love her.

20:53Jackie Oshry:Friend of the toast. Did I make any new friends? I hung out with Remy Bader's mom a lot. Like she's an extreme real one, you know? Did I make any new friends? Like no.

21:04Claudia Oshry:I get anyone's like numbers, making plans.

21:06Jackie Oshry:Except the guy that we were eating with at the table. He works like, he's like a real business associate of Mr. Carbone. He does a lot of the restaurant infrastructure and the construction.

21:17Claudia Oshry:I'm cracking up. He's very interesting. He's very successful. If you see Ben opening a restaurant soon. It's just because he met the right people at the wedding. You'll know where that comes from.

21:26Jackie Oshry:Yeah, Ben was like chit-chatting it up. He became best friends with Casimiccio's husband. They're texting.

21:31Claudia Oshry:That's so cute. I like that for them.

21:33Jackie Oshry:Yeah, just a couple of influencer couples. Yeah. for sure yeah well thanks for sharing uh thanks for the invite i was like genuinely honored to make the list and i hope i didn't say anything like out of touch or out of turn but like i it was amazing like i only have positive things to say i'm sorry for blowing up your spot but like you invited me yeah yeah it was amazing like it was oh and it was at just a beautiful venue it was a beautiful new york city night oh and they had got married already previously like um in like a very small ceremony in Italy so this was really just like a party reception there was not like a speeches like it wasn't like it wasn't formal wedding um structure which was I don't like when people switch it up you know yeah and that's fun yeah we just got to like eat the food was so good I don't know if I've said that three times already we just got to like eat drink sit and chat like it was nice yeah you're making me hungry I'm always hungry so I did something like so you're gonna hate this so like I just felt like so adult when I do this now like it's a

22:33Claudia Oshry:new thing where I'm able to eat cottage cheese plain oh I could never which I've never happened to like cottage cheese like I like it on noodles and like in you know my zesty egg salad like with your high protein bunch of other stuff I've never just like sat down with a bowl of cottage cheese and like that's what I did this morning like gun to my head I could but I would never choose I know I know. I just feel like it's a sign of maturity.

23:02Jackie Oshry:Yeah, there's no like pineapple. People like to do fruit, cantaloupe. I really feel like I'm grown. No vessel. The cottage cheese was the vessel. The cottage cheese stands alone. Did you watch Full Secret Lies of Mermaid and Wives? Of course I did.

23:15Claudia Oshry:And it got down to the wire a little bit. Friday night I was like, I don't want to watch it because then I won't have anything to watch Sunday night. And then of course I was in a rush. But yeah, I finished at 11 p.m. last night. And that is our first story. Good. I have so many thoughts. So many thoughts. It's going to be hard to give them during the 10 days. But what I want to say is not nasty, you know?

23:35Jackie Oshry:No, me neither. Although I do feel that now there are more people on the show that I dislike than I like. And that's annoying.

23:43Claudia Oshry:And also, like, the plates are shifting a little bit. Because I would say, like, two seasons ago, Michaela was my least favorite when she was, like, just taking Whitney to task.

23:53Jackie Oshry:And just being so Miz.

23:54Claudia Oshry:No, and, like, the stuff with Whitney when she couldn't let it go. and I would say after this mini season, she's number one or two.

24:01Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I think that this show, what I kind of like about it, but what also makes it a little bit inconsistent is that from season to season, I feel so differently about everyone. Like there's no one I've like, except maybe Jessie, because she's kind of neutral. There's no one I've been like hardcore riding for consistently or hating consistently. Like everybody just like has like a lobotomy between seasons and becomes crazy or normal. Yeah, yeah.

24:25Claudia Oshry:there's a lot there's a lot going on but i think that's just like the pace of their world their age yeah the environment they're in where it really is they have like every three months they change people lobotomy so let's just dive in because i have so many thoughts okay without further ado to do it is time for the fast five stories that you do need to know and the fast

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30:04Claudia Oshry:Our first story, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, season five recap. Five episodes of the new season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives just dropped. Unclear if there's going to be like a second half because it ended on a to be continued or if it'll just be season six.

30:20Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I think that. Oh, I think we'll get a season five A and B, like before the production pause and after. And when I realized what they were doing at first, I was like, before the production pause, this is going to feel old. but I think that it was really necessary context for everything. I have so many leading thoughts. My first thought, I was like, seriously, thank fucking God that ABC canceled The Bachelorette. Like if I wasted my goddamn time watching that, she's so unserious. And I can't tell if they're setting up this, with these five episodes to make Taylor look bad or good because she looked so bad up until the last minute.

31:00Jackie Oshry:Like up until the last minute. bad decision maker, bad reality star, bad friend, bad everything. And it's like, you know what? It's like, you remember what Demi was saying. It's like, how much, like you're going through a lot for sure, but like, how much rope can we give you? Like, it's like enough already. And I was so there with Michaela and Macy. It's like, seriously enough. You're fucking Dakota. The night you get back, you're engaged and you're making light of it. So it's like, oh, you could joke about it, but then nobody else can joke about it. You are seriously making some of the worst decisions a human being could possibly make and we're all just still supposed to be like championing you and not and you know mikaela macy you're right she's a terrible friend to everyone she's not

31:37Claudia Oshry:they are her friend she is not she doesn't have the time the energy the thought to even check in on it she doesn't ever text anyone how are you because she's so i didn't realize like i'm sending

31:47Jackie Oshry:her crumble like they're always sending her food and gift cards like yeah like little thoughtful things like that and they just go so unnoticed yeah and they're all just supposed to be grateful because like she invented this like mom talk scandal and got the show but like at one point what point does your gratitude run out yeah and I think some of the girls are like that where

32:02Claudia Oshry:they're like they don't challenge her and they're a good enough friend to her because it pays well to be her friends but someone like Macy like deeply cares about her I would say Jessie too where it's like it's hurtful to see your friend going through this and it's hurtful to have a friend that you love who doesn't care for you in the same way so like it's not just business it's not just show like it is also real friendships which I think makes it so complex and I agree like when they when they said it was like five weeks to the production points I'm like oh my god we've been through so much since then like I can't believe Jesse's talking about how she's trying to work it out with Jordan I'm like yeah I'm like I can't believe we're going all the way back but yeah we never found out why they really had the pause and how they got there and there is so much interesting it was the CPS thing it was the CPS thing and and there is all the it's coming off the heels of like this really bad fight between the girls then they find out that she's like been called they called cps on her and i think the girls are like of course they want to support taylor but on the off chance that the cps allegation was true they didn't want to come down on the wrong side of it oh and if on the off chance it was false they also didn't want to come

33:07Jackie Oshry:down on the wrong side of it no and it's like at a certain point like we need to wash our hands of this like i do think that the cps allegation was probably made by like a bad faith actor and like that it wasn't 100 % factual. But it's like, at what point do we not want to be a part of this anymore? And that's why Mikayla's like, I'm team kids. Everybody's like, well, he did this. It's like, seriously, I don't care anymore. And it's like, they are both victims of each other. So it's like, I couldn't tell if the season was trying to set it up. Like the Taylor's going to come back and they're like trying to give her a platform to like rebound with the audience.

33:37Jackie Oshry:But like for me at this point, like I'm so over it. And like, I did feel bad for her when she broke down. But like at some point as a woman of a certain age, as a mother, They're like, you have got to pick yourself the fuck up. And just like, it's five years already. Like, it's just, she's very, very hard to root for.

33:55Claudia Oshry:Yes. I didn't feel bad. I was mad at her the whole time. And I've been very gracious with her, like through everything with the Bachelorette and everything. So I feel like good about how much grace I'm giving her. And I did not feel bad for her at all this season. I didn't feel bad for her when she was crying after the fight, after she was so nasty to her friends. Like literally like treating them the way she would treat Dakota. conversation in a fight the way she was like barking at them so disrespectful nasty Dakota that badly right but that's obviously like how she gets when she feels attacked she just like talks back doesn't listen nasty nasty nasty and then when she started crying after like I still didn't feel bad for her because like you are making choices you choose the same thing over and over again watching it's so weird that she actually had like a really nice almost perfect guy for her so we can see how she acts yeah we can see it's not even like oh she can't find a good guy there's no good guys out there we can see how she treats someone who is good and it's wrong no and it wasn't until it wasn't until she called macy and said i'm not filming because dakota and his friend have called cbs on me that i felt bad for her because it's like wait maybe this whole time it wasn't that she couldn't leave dakota because she loves him maybe she's scared of him right like scared and not in even the physical abuse sense in the blackmail sensing you know what she should have been because between right because you had that video and the video maybe that's why she was she never like fully cut him off because she was scared of what he would do more than what he usually does so maybe maybe that that's the case i have not felt that that was the reason why she couldn't quit him

35:35Jackie Oshry:her behavior this season aside from like every argument she was in she couldn't have been more wrong right she is taking her anger out on the wrong people and it's weird that like they all know what like that dakota abuses her and they're like inviting him to the housewarming party it's like there's literally an abuser in our house like call the fucking police yeah well i think

35:51Claudia Oshry:for them and nobody says abuse on the show and and toxic cycle toxic cycle but i think also they they like probably thought they beat each other up you know yeah that they just like do that and it's like if taylor is gonna go and have sex with dakota after this party why can't we invite him

36:06Jackie Oshry:to the party no i know it's just like strange that there's like they this they know this and he's like still there there are a lot of like legitimately like really bad people on this show i think chase is one of them too um he i actually and we said this last time the men of this show have ruined it so in such a real way i can't watch certain scenes like chase is a very very sinister bad guy yeah and you just know let's talk about the fact that he's an alcoholic cokehead Like we just sort of like threw that under the bus drunk driver.

36:38Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. And you know, he just like loved driving Taylor away from her friends and like venting about the girls. Yeah. He is, he's obsessed with the women in a way that's so scary. Yeah. I agree. And this season was focused way less on dad talk. Also. I think they got, they understood the backlash, but also there was so much like big storylines going on between like Whitney and Taylor and everything else that like, we didn't need dad talk. and the men come off so much better. Like even Jordan had a good season. A thousand percent. Jordan had a good season because we didn't see him.

37:10Jackie Oshry:He had one scene in the closet. And he was saying normal things. But he's best friends with Dakota. Like I also think that Jordan is a deeply, deeply. But he wasn't invited

37:18Claudia Oshry:to Dakota's birthday party. So they were like going trouble in paradise.

37:21Jackie Oshry:But they like text all the time and he comes over to their house. He's always at Jesse's house.

37:25Claudia Oshry:A scary guy for sure.

37:26Jackie Oshry:Jordan chased Dakota. There are like legitimately three bad, like bad guys.

37:32Claudia Oshry:on this show they they scare me oh we didn't see jace i don't have a problem with jace this season

37:37Jackie Oshry:no i know actually i saw him making some funny tiktoks i love jace like yeah it's just funny like not only is it the editing but i do think that these people are like growing up in a very weird fast way they're also when they first came on the show we're all very stunted i think that happens sometimes in mormon culture when you get married really young and you're not exposed to a lot so like the people they are now like they change so much so quickly that i'm like yeah jace that's my motherfucking king right there yeah and i want to say i don't know if this is

38:02Claudia Oshry:like a hot take and I haven't really seen other people's opinions but like Zach Affleck okay I'm

38:07Jackie Oshry:so done with the Zach Affleck hate agreed he had a bad first two seasons but I think that like they were all sort of blending the world that they grew up in which was like very sheltered with this new world and it took a minute okay so he was bad for sure when she's so fucking crazy with her dreams and the fact that like her dreams don't pan out and like she didn't get the role and she blames her husband for not being supportive. And it's like, you know what? I actually respect him saying, like, if you're going to act and like make out with someone in a scene, I'm not comfortable with that because we always talk about how fucking normal that is.

38:40Jackie Oshry:Especially he's like very traditional. He's working through his like traditional values. It's like, oh my God, give the man a break. He's literally been doing everything for the last two years. While you chase these random dreams, now you want to be a singer, but you want it to be a dancer and you also have dreams to be a model. And now an actress, it's like, girl,

38:54Claudia Oshry:what are you talking about? Well, she is so off her rocker to the point that I almost feel bad talking about her because something is very wrong there. Something is not normal for her right now. Her confessionals, the way she's talking to the girls, the way she's just speaking in general, it's giving a bit medicated. The scene between her and Miranda in the studio was some of the weirdest thing I ever saw in my life. My pink back. When she started playing for her, her self-tape in the bathing suit, it was so, Claudia was so strange. something is not right over there and and she keeps trying to test her husband yes she wants

39:34Jackie Oshry:to end her marriage but she doesn't want to be the one to do it so she thinks that if she pushes

39:38Claudia Oshry:but then she's also pregnant right now is what we know now she's so confusing to me but claudia she keeps trying to test him and he keeps passing every test and almost like makes her mad so she levels up and she's like i want to do sports illustrated and he doesn't like that and then she's like well now i want you to become the priesthood how is he going to go to the bishop and be like my wife wants to do sports illustrated it's so contradictory I feel like he's like navigating her twists and turns as best as a human could I seriously think like gold star for Zach Affleck I agree literally put to side everything that he planned to do with his life in service of her hopes and her dreams I think he said they moved like nine times in four years that's not for him it's true and he's just always like with the kids when she's dancing with the stars now she wants to act and sing and build a studio in the house and it's like oh my god how can you keep up oh and i want you to become a priest very manic energy yeah and then in her confessional she seems like so zoned out resigned so not there and almost like she's phoning it in but not in a way where she doesn't want to work but just she's not like capable at the moment of giving more when anytime

40:47Jackie Oshry:she argues with someone whether it's her husband or whitney or when she got involved in that macy and Makila she's legitimately like just very consistent in making bad points like she's never once said something that I agree with like with Whitney I do think Whitney's a difficult person to argue with she reminds me actually a lot of you where I think she's very direct she's good with language she remembers stuff so even if she's wrong which I don't think that she is wrong she comes off as a winner because she's a good fighter with words she's very calm yeah but I get like so emotional in all of these arguments there's not really like a right or a wrong person

41:20Claudia Oshry:It's just like, let's convey how we feel. I disagree. Some of them, but most of the time, it's just like perception. Let's convey how we feel. Let's apologize and let's move forward. It's not like someone was so clearly right and someone so clearly wrong. It's just like the way you said something and hurt me that way, but you didn't mean it that way, whatever. But Jen just can't move on from things that Whitney has apologized for. There's nothing there except for jealousy. And even if it wasn't just about Dancing with the Stars, the way that Jen is moving now with like their hopes and the dreams and the acting and the singing, which is like what Whitney's doing.

41:52Jackie Oshry:It's giving so jealous. I know. And I think the issue with Jen is she can't just be happy in mom talk. And I actually think a lot of the girls who are happiest in the situation that they're in is just being happy, like being in mom talk, like just being an influencer with the reality show, like Macy and Michaela. I think that like they're working on their marriages, their kids, their family life, while also being like working women, but not needing to go chase things in LA or New York. I think it actually is best for a lot of the women, especially someone you could tell who's up. There are different tiers, right?

42:23Jackie Oshry:We've got like Miranda and Lacey. Sorry. Miranda and Layla down here. And it's like, I'm sorry, some of their scenes are just genuinely painful.

42:31Claudia Oshry:And you can tell they want more. I mean, Miranda's singing and Layla's modeling. They want. Oh, the crazy thing is that Miranda released a song before Jen did. Yeah.

42:39Jackie Oshry:So there's like, I think tier two wives, which Miranda and Layla are unfortunately a part of. Then there's sort of like the mid-tier where it's like Jessie. Mikayla Macy. Sorry. Actually, Jen is bottom tier too. Mikayla Macy. And I think they all like sort of like are happy with their Utah lives. Those mid-tier women.

42:57Claudia Oshry:Those women, that's where you want to be, by the way.

42:59Jackie Oshry:Yes. To have success, to enjoy it, and have shallow bite. Whitney's like on a cloud nine right now. I don't think like it's perfect. I think that right now it's good. But those sort of situations can lead to like issues at home. So I think like if more of the women were just happy where they were.

43:14Claudia Oshry:Taylor and Whitney here. And that's where Jen wants to be. Wants to be. And she's not.

43:20Jackie Oshry:No. And every time it fails, I think she blames her husband. And the thing is, Zach is the best guy on the show. I'm sorry. And I think his biggest crime, like in recent memory, is going to talk to Whitney. Yes. But the more I think about it, it's like that's him being a good husband. That's what his wife wanted. His wife was in a vulnerable spot. He went, I'm sorry, I would sit in bed to the end of the earth and he would go even if I was wrong. And so the fact that he went, I actually think is an even bigger check in his column for being a supportive husband. and all he does is get accused of not being supportive.

43:46Jackie Oshry:And I'm so glad he shut down that conversation at that sponsored event at the soda place where he was like, I've been trying to have this conversation with you like for weeks and now you want to have it on camera with me holding our baby? Like seriously, I cannot stand Jen. And I actually feel bad.

43:58Claudia Oshry:She's like very lost. And I don't know what she's doing. It's not like reading as copacetic over there. Like it was concerning to watch. And then when she was arguing with Macy and Michaela and they were like, you said we were the most supportive. and she goes I said I said that in the hopes that you would become supportive I said that because I wanted it to be true if she had that's like the worst argument I've ever heard that's a crazy she had a history of saying things in the hopes of wanting them to be true maybe we could establish a pattern but that was crazy and also like her going to like support the weakest link Taylor

44:35Jackie Oshry:right now like oh no I'm sorry when Taylor pulled up Jen into her corner I said oh you've officially lost the plot you like we're not seriously and she spent the whole conversation trying to find

44:44Claudia Oshry:that one tiktok from three years ago yeah no and like jen is just like she's not in the group she's just like she's going on the trip like she's not there she shouldn't even be on the trip i'm

44:53Jackie Oshry:sorry her going on the trip i saw zach affleck like defending her in his comments once again being a good husband being like we don't a part of production like you have to go like it wasn't a question so it's like yeah she like looked weird but like this is a group trip like a better

45:04Claudia Oshry:thing for her to say i mean she would have to feel this way but like if i was in her position how I would feel is like Whitney I think you and I are going to be friends again one day because I like value our friendship and like we will figure out our issues and we will get there and I don't

45:16Jackie Oshry:want to have missed this moment for you right right that conversation was genuine and then she's making the tiktok by herself when she made the tiktok by herself she's just like desperate to be a victim she is and that's what the girls are saying about her in her marriage in her work

45:31Claudia Oshry:life in her friend's life in the past few seasons she really was the victim I think when she was like having mental health issues yes and then she got pregnant again and her marriage like was not suffered like and her husband was not and the women were so mean to her she was the victim and so i was like stop being mean to her but right now she's not she got dancing with the stars too yes she is in like a beautiful house with her beautiful family she just had a baby like everything is good right now my girl you're not the victim today no and i think the sheer fact

46:01Jackie Oshry:that Jen doesn't let Whitney get away with anything after Whitney was there for her in such a real way, like not in a camera, I think in like a real life way with her prenatal depression and all the women were like, seriously, so mean. It's like the way that Taylor gets a free pass for everything because she has like a toxic relationship should have been what Jen got for having prenatal depression and they were just still so hard on her. Whitney was there for her in such a real way. The fact that Jen just can't, whatever her small issues are with Whitney, like you said this to me, to get over it.

46:31Jackie Oshry:Like seriously, this is a person who did such a kindness to you and you're like insistent on remembering her by her worst moment. Like that's why I would never want to be friends with her. Yeah. It's because she's constantly seeking victimhood.

46:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I couldn't be friends with someone like that.

46:45Jackie Oshry:The conversation on the stairs was even more upsetting when I remembered that Ever was there.

46:49Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that he was in the house somewhere and like you would hope that and it's Dakota's day clearly so that's why like he entered with Dakota and probably left with Dakota. but like that's bonus time that you get and like your mom is acting crazy upstairs like

47:07Jackie Oshry:that's where i was like with michaela like i actually no longer concerned in getting down to the bottom of like who's the abuser and and who's because they're both terrible parents quite

47:16Claudia Oshry:frankly and like that's all i really care about yeah no that was like so odd why was he there

47:24Jackie Oshry:they knew it was like going to be the big explosive thing like i don't know when you're going into a party whether it's going to be like i don't know i just if i were taylor i would just

47:31Claudia Oshry:be like so excited to get some extra hours like with him because of course brought him to a thing that i'm going to be at yeah even though i think she has majority custody so like she's not lost for time with him yeah but still like to not have your child full time is is like it was i actually

47:47Jackie Oshry:commend macy and michaela they handled that crazy bitch and that whole conversation they were so calm it's it was actually crazy to watch her misunderstand them in real time how did shania attack you you just said to me shania did nothing wrong actually that's quite literally verbatim not what she said yeah like it was crazy to watch a crazy person and it's what's the craziest is

48:09Claudia Oshry:like what shania did was wrong but what dakota did was more wrong and he's in your bed so why

48:15Jackie Oshry:can't we move on from shania that's the exact thing it's like we're so mad at shania we're mad at Miranda because her friend did something which by the way what the fuck does Shania O. Taylor like seriously she's just having sex with some random guy but Dakota is standing there in the clear yeah it was insane also um I thought this last season I can't remember if I said it um and I feel like it's kind of like a crazy thing to say and obviously this is like I have no proof just like based on vibes it does feel like there's an element of like drug use in this show somewhere um because like the the very manic mood swings the violent behavior um her like drinking from the bathtub like that just gives like sort of and also i think her relationship with with dakota sometimes feels like you know like a toxic sort of like i don't want to like make allegations but like like sort of like an enabler like somebody who provides like yeah you know and like in past seasons when she's like locked herself in a room for days at a time I'm like, I don't know why.

49:11Jackie Oshry:Like, I don't know why. I just feel like, am I the only one who thinks that?

49:16Claudia Oshry:I didn't think that. But then I saw like a tweet last night of someone like suggesting that there might be drug use. And that would explain like, I don't know, some sweat stains or whatever. Yeah.

49:26Jackie Oshry:Also her having breast milk on her nipple, like the entire fight was hilarious.

49:30Claudia Oshry:It wasn't breast milk, but it was like a stain. It was just distracting. It was funny. It was distracting. So yes, that could be like a piece of the puzzle.

49:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I just feel like it might explain a little bit of it. I'm only searching for an explanation because it's very hard to watch someone who's in her 30s, like consistently put her family at risk, put herself at risk. And like he's just a person.

49:55Claudia Oshry:And when you guys were together, you weren't happy anyway. And then also it's like if it is about.

50:01Jackie Oshry:Did we forget he fucked your mom's friend? He literally fucked your aunt. Like what are we talking about?

50:05Claudia Oshry:It's about like love and being, you know, can't quit him and blah, blah, blah. and he has ever's walk why not just be together like because the thing is they he keeps hurting her because they're not together so he goes and does this other stuff and then she's like well now I can never forgive like what if they were just together and he obviously we're past that now but when I'm watching this I'm like you only want to be with each other you hurt everyone else around you because you're hurting each other and if you just want to be together and you can't quit him and he can't quit you just be together and like if you want a crazy life which is what she wants now she says she doesn't want to get married she doesn't want to be in a monogamous relationship she doesn't want to be with ben who would give her like that stable like if you want a crazy life just go be with crazy and stop hurting everybody else yeah although i just don't think that benefits ever no and then in the final scene i'm like well maybe maybe it was wasn't just like love love love like maybe it was also yeah real fear um i want to quickly talk about jesse's face yes I would like to talk about plastic surgery as well yeah it really broke my heart

51:11Jackie Oshry:I feel like what everyone's like coming for Jessie and it's like well obviously she made the wrong choice she should have stopped messing with her face but it's like I feel like that's exactly what happens when you just like keep I can only imagine the type of like comments DMs that they get at this like level that they're at from like all these crazy fucking female fans like I think that it breaks my heart because if she weren't on this show like maybe she was someone who was like into plastic surgery before like in a normal way but it obviously got to a place where she's unhealthy and then her boob is hemorrhaging like it was really heartbreaking she looked bad this season yeah she was still swollen i do think she's like a little bit back to normal but she still looks like pretty different than the girl that we know no and like it actually really upset me

51:50Claudia Oshry:yeah it also i can't even blame her like it also upsets me that these girls have had multiple boob jobs in their 20s every episode in the beginning it was like oh she just did her boobs like and it's people who have done their boobs and everyone's talking about like layla's boobs in her confessionals because they're like at folded in half chin and you can literally see the silicone implant i guess it was like very fresh and they've since like settled i guess but that wasn't her first boob job last season taylor just got her boobs redone before the like that's major surgery jesse had her boobs a month before mikayla just said she took her implants out at the in the beginning of this season and she was like i feel so skinny and she looks great but literally say

52:30Jackie Oshry:Mikayla is my queen. She recently dyed her hair darker. And I think she's like really figured out how to manage her chronic illness when it comes to her skin. I was watching her TikToks last night. She went to Paris with Macy. Like she looks insane.

52:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And then I started to like feel bad. I guess not about the J. I didn't really feel bad. I just know she hates us. So that's why I felt bad.

52:50Jackie Oshry:Who hates us? Mikayla. Oh shit. She does. Because we made fun of Jace last year. Yeah. And then we made fun of her statement about the cream. Oh. Was that her cream? Whatever, I just want to say, yeah, I remember.

53:04Claudia Oshry:When she said, like, she compared, like, Taylor going back to Dakota to, like, her using cream that makes her sick.

53:10Jackie Oshry:By the way, I'm woman enough to admit I stand by everything that I said last year, and I stand by everything I say this year. That's what I mean when I say it feels like people get lobotomies between seasons. She was my queen this year. She's the only one with a backbone, and she's still not backing down. She's been making TikToks. Like, she's not forgiving Taylor Grace. Her rope is up with Taylor, and I actually really appreciate that. It's like, you know what? Demi tried to do it. She was a couple of seasons too early. but I think Michaela should stick to her guns. And yeah, I stand by what I said last season.

53:33Jackie Oshry:Yeah, no, so do I.

53:34Claudia Oshry:I was just like, I feel bad. Oh, cause she hates us. But you had a great season. Keep going. I don't know about like the Taylor fans who just like blindly stan her and are just gonna hate any girls who are against her.

53:46Jackie Oshry:I did really appreciate that they brought that up because that has always been an element as to why Taylor gets grace from the group. It's not that they all genuinely feel bad for her. I'm sure a lot of them are at home rolling their eyes being like, girl, make better decisions. The element of her being the most famous one, the most popular one amongst their true fans and the ones who the fans side with. I respected Jesse being like, I also just don't want to take that. Yeah. And it's also, well, I wish you all had more of a backbone. I respect you even in just admitting like the reason why you're always up her ass.

54:12Claudia Oshry:But it's also production favors her, which is just so crazy. Even they gave her that penthouse suite. I doubt all the girls had that. Now you could say maybe because they knew Ben was coming. So they like, are we going to film in there a lot? And they needed all that space. but she definitely gets favoritism from production. I would say this season, the way it's being edited and the way they're putting in all those clips of like talking heads and TikToks and stuff, it is not super anti-Taylor. Oh, I didn't think it, I thought it was the first time they were ever a little bit anti-Taylor. No, it wasn't.

54:43Claudia Oshry:I guess we haven't gotten to like Barstoolgate. Also her ordering all that dessert and then leaving. People also said maybe like some.

54:52Jackie Oshry:That's just something like a true crazy person does.

54:54Claudia Oshry:like yeah that was also one of the clues as to perhaps potential and like macy and michaela

55:00Jackie Oshry:getting like shit on for taylor from taylor being like you guys think you're all so perfect i just feel like they've recently decided it feels like in the last like two years the both of them have like decided to just embrace being in mom talk they're not going for all the other things that the girls are going for they're not like you know wanting to travel the world and be on broadway and they're working through that because they basically had a couple of things with her husband too but they've quietly shut that down they're working on their homes and their marriages and just like being happy with where they're at and i feel like that like kills taylor like because that's what they all should be doing yeah and that's really what taylor should be doing but

55:31Claudia Oshry:taylor doesn't even like pursue those opportunities really the only thing she was ever going to do that was bigger than the show was bachelorette and she didn't even take it seriously she could

55:38Jackie Oshry:care less because she didn't need to do anything outside of the show like she just was bigger than everyone else yeah yeah um i'm curious what also any rumors that like they're airing this season of The Bachelor in December. No. Seriously don't. They're not. And I don't know. They could never. They just gave it away.

55:54Claudia Oshry:They would never do that.

55:55Jackie Oshry:Not only do they gave it away, they let everyone know. Like if you watch this, you're wasting your time. She chooses the worst guy and she cheats on him the night she gets home. They could have like

56:01Claudia Oshry:bleeped out his name. They didn't. Nothing. They spoiled the whole season. Like they don't care. It's over.

56:09Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

56:10Claudia Oshry:Thankfully. And also at some points it was like you, Taylor was dreading The Bachelor like so much anxiety because she would have to like answer for her crimes after the fact. We were talking about how like the villain of her season probably was so glad that the the season was canceled she might have been a little glad the season was canceled yeah because she couldn't have been serious about it but a little bit even any bachelor nation backlash would never would not have been as bad as what happened what happened yeah so i don't know what comes for

56:37Jackie Oshry:the next i i'm i am expecting five post-production pause episodes and i would like that but who knows and they need to decide I think like definitively if they're going to like let Taylor back on the show like Dakota is not a cast member he doesn't make money he doesn't get to film I think that like continuing to involve him even more like enabled him and empowered him and also gave him money that he didn't have before if she's going to be back on the show like he sort of has to be off of it completely

57:03Claudia Oshry:yeah well I think they also have like restraining orders against each other at this point so they would actually have to be and while they're firing him get rid of Jordan and Chase too

57:10Jackie Oshry:I never want to see them again

57:11Claudia Oshry:I do think that the show whenever the next half comes out and then the season after will rehabilitate Taylor.

57:19Jackie Oshry:Me too. Also, I know you have like high hopes about Marciano and like you're trusting your fave, but I have to say I've never disliked someone more.

57:26Claudia Oshry:I think that they are like really cute. What is crazy to me is the fact that like even after these episodes, Jessie still makes out with Chase. Dates him.

57:35Jackie Oshry:No, Chase. She does?

57:38Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Like in the timeline before she starts dating Marciano, she makes out with Chase at a party.

57:44Jackie Oshry:so by the and she hasn't gone on call her daddy yet right no and she's still like working on her

57:48Claudia Oshry:marriage even though she said that morning they're gonna get divorced yeah and like what's like why they move houses like i don't know because they had just moved houses and then they had that halloween party in their new house they were so excited right so but it looks pargy

58:00Jackie Oshry:though yeah it did um i love the secret lives of mormon wives it has gotten dark and i'm like i'm still enjoying it of course but like it's not fun like it used to be fun no but it's like

58:10Claudia Oshry:seriously dark it was it was good television yeah that conversation on the street was insane the street fight as they're calling it yeah it was um no but it was really it was good reality tv which isn't usually congress with like healthy behavior agreed but the entertainment box was checked yeah so that's your secret lives mormon wives recap but they're not filming our next story is so disturbing that it actually it's not about kj beerman it is about kj beerman and it actually

58:44Jackie Oshry:gave me a stomach ache so i've been following this case quite closely videos of kj we shared

58:50Claudia Oshry:last week kj beerman was under arrest for um allegedly sodomizing a female classmate in a sauna and now the prosecutor is saying that videos of kj beerman who is 15 having sex with an underage family member those videos were found on his phone so KJ Beerman has been accused of having sex with an underage relative in a bombshell never before known revelation from court the 15 year old who is the son of Kim Zolciak and retired NFL star Corey Beerman appeared in Georgia's Fulton County Superior Court on Friday during the hearing the deputy district attorney shockingly revealed that investigators previously found videos on KJ's cell phone that allegedly depicting him having penetrative sex with a family member under the age of 12.

59:37Claudia Oshry:The district attorney said there were multiple encounters on video that were discovered on the device and that they allegedly showed KJ using predatory derogatory language toward the victim. Quote, this would now mark the second time he has been charged with an offense of a sexual nature of a very serious kind, which involves female victims, the DA noted, adding that KJ was previously charged with sexual battery of a victim under the age of 16 which had not been publicly reported until now in 2023 per the da he had been under court supervision since october 2025 following the alleged incident with the family member which she said was reported in april 2023 after the hearing his kj's attorney told page six in a statement characterizations made in court regarding the prior juvenile matter involving kj bierman grossly misrepresent both the facts and the ultimate resolution of that case The matter arose from inappropriate crude behavior involving two middle schoolers.

1:00:32Claudia Oshry:It did not result in an adjudication for statutory rape, sexual intercourse, or any comparable offense. He argued that any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate and creates material and misleading impression of how the juvenile matter was ultimately resolved.

1:00:44Jackie Oshry:Yeah, so I guess like with evidence that they found just now, it brought up this 2023 case that people did not know about.

1:00:52Claudia Oshry:Which would also explain why they did not let him out. because we were saying last week right that they must have a lot of evidence

1:00:58Jackie Oshry:that they're keeping this 16 year old behind bars until his trial yeah and

1:01:01Claudia Oshry:like they must have a lot of evidence of that crime because usually someone of his age would be like released home to his family out on bond but it's not his first offense of this nature and obviously like the internet is freaking out about this um and i don't

1:01:17Jackie Oshry:want to like give it i don't want to assume but like i think some context that people are bringing up is that when they discuss a family member in the house who's under the age of 15 or whatever, like there is a sibling in the house at that age.

1:01:33Claudia Oshry:So they didn't say in the house, they just said a relative, a female relative.

1:01:39Jackie Oshry:And they also, just another piece of context that people are bringing up is that this sibling, Kaya, was sent to live with her grandparents a little while ago. I don't know how people know that. and so I think that that fact just came to mind when people heard this.

1:02:00Claudia Oshry:It feels related.

1:02:02Jackie Oshry:So obviously people are jumping to conclusions, but it feels like a relevant part detail. Every time I learned something about this case, I am. Oh, and then I'm sure you saw the podcast clip of Brielle Bierman talking about how KG is like fast. And yeah, like, I don't know if this was like a year or two ago, but she went on a podcast, like just catching up about her family. Everybody knew before this, Everybody knew their family. Like, obviously, they're crazy, but they knew all the kids. And from the TV show, they were all on TV for, like, almost a decade. And she was talking about how KJ's so grown up and that, like, you know, he's trouble.

1:02:33Jackie Oshry:He's obsessed with women. And he goes out and he sneaks out of the house. And he calls her late at night asking to send him a lift and selling me$100. And it was just, like, perhaps in the moment, like, a cutesy story about, like, a rebellious teen. But now, in hindsight, it's, like, extremely dark.

1:02:48Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah.

1:02:50Jackie Oshry:Sort of speaking to the character of this kid at the time.

1:02:52Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but like when she said it, really like not a red flag. Like he's just like, you know, a teenager who wants to go and live and stay out late and kiss girls, you would think. Right. But now in the context of this, of course.

1:03:08Jackie Oshry:This is so deeply troubling on so many levels.

1:03:16Jackie Oshry:I feel genuinely sick to my stomach hearing all about this. I actually don't have words. Like I don't have a recap. I don't have a take. Like, like I want to vomit.

1:03:28Claudia Oshry:I want to vomit. It, it gives me a stomach ache. I think it goes without saying like done with these people. Beyond. Done.

1:03:37Jackie Oshry:Never been so done. Never been. Like, it's seriously not funny.

1:03:41Claudia Oshry:It's the worst story I've ever heard from stemming from a reality TV person, personality, family. It must be how fans of the Duggars felt. I want to say. oh yeah i guess i wasn't a part of that like we never watched that show and it didn't follow those

1:03:57Jackie Oshry:cases but this is the worst thing i've ever heard i'm sure you saw kim and brielle like uh pap walked from court to their car yeah they didn't say anything and then like i don't know why i just found the video offensive like them being so glam with their hair like they didn't say anything i

1:04:12Claudia Oshry:just like i hated it no and like let him rot let him a thousand percent i wouldn't like show up for

1:04:18Jackie Oshry:him no fucking crazy story and where's croy in all this i don't know because like it goes without saying like this is 1000 you know what this is everyone's fault yeah no but it like literally everyone it speaks to really bad a moral rot in the home yeah yeah and a rotten individual of

1:04:41Claudia Oshry:Of course. Of course. Bad seed. Yeah. So that's the latest. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Our next story is some happy news. Thank God. Lady Gaga welcomes her first baby with fiancee, Michael Polanski. I'm so glad in last week's Drek episode that I included that bit from Lady Gaga's friends because we were able to have a little bit of a state of the union on Gaga.

1:05:05Jackie Oshry:And we literally said she's the next pop swirly to become a mother.

1:05:08Claudia Oshry:And here we go. Lady Gaga and her fiance, Michael Polanski, have recently welcomed their first child together. Page six can confirm additional details. Any details actually are not known at this time. However, the family of three was spotted out and about together for the first time in Northern California. She was going for a walk with her mans and an unidentified brunette and wearing the baby in a baby carrier. Oh, my God. So cute. Wait. So was it not confirmed that she was a surrogate? Well, I think it's fair to say that she did not carry this child just based on the photo. Because she has fibromyalgia.

1:05:38myalgia and because she's snatched well you know some people do snatch and she's like wearing a crop top and a newborn on your i think it's safe to say i won't jump to conclusions but no of course

1:05:52Claudia Oshry:i think it's safe to say she didn't carry the child i think also her history of chronic illnesses

1:05:56Jackie Oshry:led people to believe um that she didn't carry but irregardless uh not only did we like spookily call this which like we literally were just saying no we didn't call it at all because

1:06:07Claudia Oshry:that her friends like gave a quote saying they think that she's going to become a mom soon that's why we were talking about it oh I just feel glad that we chose that nonsensical story last week yeah oh I thought we predicted it my bad um obsessed beyond like for real I'm so ready

1:06:24Jackie Oshry:for the album like like get to work I know you're busy going on walks and that's beautiful just sit

1:06:28Claudia Oshry:down at the piano you could still wear the baby yeah she could wear the baby like she could really write an album in the next three months while that baby's just sleeping all day oh my god you

1:06:36Jackie Oshry:can get so much done when you have a newborn having a newborn is like low-key easy and you know she obviously probably has help like yeah nannies housekeepers chefs things of that nature so it's like girl get to work yeah give us an album give us an album called mama this is really sweet what's the baby's name what's the baby's gender we know nothing yeah all in due time

1:06:55Claudia Oshry:though i will kind of carrier uh it's a it's a sling like a um a wrap oh like a scarf type of Yes, it's a wrap. It is not like a buckle.

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1:11:26Claudia Oshry:Thank you, T-U-R-T. What can I say except you're welcome. Our next story, an update in Remegxit. Regregxit. Meghan Markle shares her first video since returning to the UK with Prince Harry. Meghan Markle made a little video montage on Instagram reels of I guess an afternoon in the UK so the reel had the emoji of the British flag and a red heart and it was little vignettes from an afternoon in the country with the kids and the dog and Harry and then Jitterbug started playing

1:12:02Jackie Oshry:and it was genuinely one of the most shocking things I'd ever seen in my life like when I turned on my phone after the two-day holiday and the first thing that pops up is Meghan Markle's real it was a test from the lord because I'm supposed to be acting right and then they just put this like very low production quality video in front of me and I'm supposed to not say anything

1:12:23Claudia Oshry:yeah I don't think so yeah um what do you think the point of the video was the point of the video I think though it could have been achieved like in other ways was just like pargy UK living I'm a lifestyle influencer mother of two and here's some pargy con pargy mindless content because that is a content strategy um questions that i have about that like one it looks like shit like like it's not a pargy video you know it's awful um two why like when she started doing that in in tandem with like as ever and with love it's like yes you are becoming a life service of something in service of becoming like the next martha stewart like now it's like why are you doing all that you know also like what is this filmed on are those the kids feet

1:13:20Jackie Oshry:i'm not sure by the fire i couldn't tell it was like it looks like adult and they're wearing jeans is she wearing jeans okay a jitterbug yeah and like seriously why is the forest so blurry

1:13:32Claudia Oshry:there's one scene where she's filming the lake and i i don't know what she's filming because it's so it's like someone sent it to her and then she sent it back and then they sent it to her again

1:13:41Jackie Oshry:and she sent it back so oh megan um was on dumois this weekend they said she was spotted at soho farmhouse so is that i've never been to soho farmhouse but like i feel like that's it it's like a huge property where you go on hikes and boats and fish and stuff yeah but i think also

1:13:55Claudia Oshry:apparently they're like looking to settle in the cotswolds and like these are the vibes every day um so whether or not they were at the farmhouse like this is just what their life is gonna be I

1:14:06Jackie Oshry:just what's the point when she when she launched a shot my yeah and that was crazy you were sat

1:14:13Claudia Oshry:I was sat but she never like updated it you do like when she was doing this in her garden it was like for as ever with love we're gonna be lifestyle we're gonna be influencer we're doing all of this show product now she's obviously left all that behind because it's not worked out and she's gone to the UK and like why are you showing us this like this it's like it doesn't accomplish

1:14:36Jackie Oshry:anything it's also such superfluous content like for somebody who wants to be private like these are actually like kind of intimate moments with your family um like genuinely like not only did we not enjoy this because it's low production value but you have claimed to want privacy and like this is the type of thing you would want to keep private right why are you showing it to us And I think when she exploited her personal life for her show with Love As Ever.

1:14:57Claudia Oshry:You give a little bit of your personal life to explain why you got the garden and why you got the fruits.

1:15:03Jackie Oshry:So maybe she's launching another business, sort of like Cotswolds with Love.

1:15:06Claudia Oshry:Maybe she's going to be a lifestyle influencer in the UK.

1:15:11Jackie Oshry:Which is a niche. It is a genre. There's a couple of that girl Lydia from TikTok. Like there is a sort of like very British kind of like trad wifey type of sect of the internet. So maybe she's trying to do that next.

1:15:28Claudia Oshry:She's got to get a new phone. She's got to get a social media editor.

1:15:32Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I mean, I do think that budget is tight, like currently, just because maybe they're still working on swindling like people in Britain to give them jobs. But I think the American money like did run out. It's kind of expensive to have like a full time hire just for your Instagram when you actually post like once every three months.

1:15:47Claudia Oshry:yeah but if she wants to do this like and and also it's like you can be a public figure on instagram and not have to have a social media editor you just post a photo but like if you're making reels yeah and and you can't outsource and she should have done that what jitterbug she should have done that in montecito like when she was making that britney steve sky

1:16:07Jackie Oshry:when she was the britney spears of the fire and like an actual teenager yeah that was not well thought out so we're still doing this really jitterbug like why jitterbug i don't know because

1:16:21Claudia Oshry:i was actually scrolling her instagram and like her music choices on her posts are very um okay

1:16:27Jackie Oshry:i want to say bold like look at her wedding do you think that glinda emboldened her okay jitterbug dolly parton just because i'm a woman no music cliff richard and the shadows that's cute i don't know that one yeah summer holiday that's for with love megan no music no music no music paula abdul for her wedding always remember

1:16:57Claudia Oshry:i'm forever those are for her wedding kind of has a good taste like this is wedding also i like this one and you could feel like they're dancing it's a slideshow of them dancing at their wedding set to that song cute thank you for being here original audio

1:17:13Jackie Oshry:lovely day lovely day this is a good one she's kind of good she really she's such a grandma like yeah um she really never posts because i just for three seconds jitterbug is in line with that music absolutely genre like on point yeah she is who she is it's like that genre but british because she's now in the kutzwold's

1:17:38Claudia Oshry:yeah oh is that what and maybe they saw a bug

1:17:43Jackie Oshry:oh maybe like maybe they found like maybe they found a jitterbug on there i don't know what a

1:17:46Claudia Oshry:jitterbug is but maybe they found one on their kutzwold's walk yeah so continuing to be confused

1:17:55Jackie Oshry:watchdog podcast will continue to keep you guys updated on all things megxit with confusion

1:17:59Claudia Oshry:Megan. I love that. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Great news for some people. The Family Stone sequel has been set at Searchlight with Claire Danes, Rachel McAdams, Sarah Jessica Parker and many more. Mostly everyone except for of course Diane Keaton returning.

1:18:18Jackie Oshry:Now if you've ever seen the movie I'm going to spoil something.

1:18:21Claudia Oshry:I have never seen this movie.

1:18:24Jackie Oshry:I would actually love your take and I could just see you loving Sarah Jessica

1:18:27Claudia Oshry:Parker I just saw a synopsis of it it's like Dermot Mulroney's like hot he brings home for Christmas girlfriend comes home to his like bohemian New England family yes they're very like

1:18:39Jackie Oshry:free spirit um I watched the movie like later in life I only saw it a couple of years ago and I know it's like this people are obsessed with it it's like their favorite holiday movie and I didn't love it but like i understood why it's like like why people like it it's also like it was actually good it was just like the craziest movie like when you see the poster and like the family stone like he's like coming to get the family ring like it's just not at all what you think it's gonna be okay um and then like it ends really sad i saw a spoiler about sybil which did work out can i say what it is that she passes Diane Keaton dies in the movie um so that actually kind of works out like for the sequel because she couldn't be in it anyway um I don't know that this is a film that like needs a sequel but I guess like they do leave you with like kind of a like what happened like

1:19:32Claudia Oshry:you know what will this family be like in 10 years do you want to know the synopsis well because in the movie they like end up wife swapping like I'm gonna watch it don't tell me anymore okay Okay, okay. But this movie will pick up 20 years after the death of the matriarch Sybil Stone, something that was depicted in the original film, as the Stone family again reunites for Christmas, only to face the season's biggest surprise. Their father, Nelson, has unexpectedly invited the woman he's fallen in love with to meet the family. So that woman would be like the Sarah Jessica Parker of the second movie.

1:20:07Jackie Oshry:Right, but it's like who's replacing Diane Keaton. They're going to hate her no matter what. And they're going to sabotage her.

1:20:12Claudia Oshry:No, it didn't say.

1:20:14Jackie Oshry:Well, it's nice that everybody's on board. I'm sure like this random movie that they did, which was not even popular at the time. I'm sure they're shocked that it has like such a cult following all these years later. So, yeah, like let's take advantage of it.

1:20:24Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And now I do want to watch it. Like, I feel like I missed out.

1:20:28Jackie Oshry:Yeah, you kind of did. And like, I just I know everyone's like, I know you're going to have an unpopular take on it. Like, really? Because like the whole point is like that Sarah Jessica Parker is the worst. She just comes and she just doesn't fit into this family and she just doesn't even try. And she's just like not like she's like a miserable person. but like at some point like they are like a little mean to her and so i could just see you being like

1:20:47Claudia Oshry:like defending sjp let's see you can't put me in a box and then there's like this kind of like

1:20:53Jackie Oshry:polarizing conversation at the dinner table okay like kind of like a political not political but

1:20:59Claudia Oshry:like controversial what's okay don't spoil it i'll watch it maybe i'll watch it tonight because i don't think there's anything to watch tonight dancing with the stars starts this week i'm

1:21:08Jackie Oshry:i'm actually sad yeah does it start today or tomorrow feel like tuesday tomorrow hopefully Tuesday so I can watch Family Stone. Yeah, you should. I would love to hear your thoughts.

1:21:18Claudia Oshry:That's my homework.

1:21:20Jackie Oshry:And that's our show. Nice long one, but we had a lot to discuss. Hope you enjoyed. Thank you so much for listening to the Tossel. On YouTube, please feel free to subscribe to this video. Thumbs up. Also, we'll see you next time. Spotify, YouTube, Spotify, Spotify, Spotify, Spotify, Spotify, Hope you guys have an amazing day. We'll see you tomorrow. Love ya. Bye.

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