Swirl Meets World: Friday, June 12th, 2026

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28:07Jackie Oshry:Promo code is T-O-A-S-T. Thank you, T-U-R-T. You're welcome. Our first story, Taylor Swift tears up while thanking her family during Songwriters Hall of Fame acceptance speech. So last night was the Songwriters Hall of Fame 2026 induction ceremony. Took place at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City. And Taylor Swift was, of course, honored and she gave a 21 minute acceptance speech. Additionally, she left the house three times this week. I just think that's crazy. It was a busy week. You know, it always winds when it rains, it pours. It always winds up being busy before your wedding. and good thing you're looking so fabulous that you want to go to everything.

28:44Jackie Oshry:And she also is probably like stacking stuff. She's probably going to be MIA for a little bit, like that sort of honeymoon phase. So she's probably getting all of her work obligations out of the way. Yeah, but this just happened. Like she doesn't control the ceremony. It happened to be in New York after the nickname. She probably could control the ceremony, honestly. I wish. She probably could. Sombra paid tribute to her with a performance of her songs, Cardigan and Dear John. The two were also taking pictures together on the red carpet. it I wasn't really familiar with somber's game vocally like obviously I know his songs and they're really growing on me I kind of really Taylor's made me really like him I I think I've definitely like discarded him in my mind it's just like gen z sloth have you listened to 12 to 12 yet is that I don't want to talk down on your lover I don't want to be a home wrecker and did you see Kelly Clarkson covered it no and that's not 12 to 12 sing it to me

29:36Jackie Oshry:you're gonna have to give me a little bit more than that But it doesn't sound familiar. Oh, everyone. Oh, of course. The people I love for you. In a new day. Would you love for me too? Yeah, no, I'm telling you, he's got riz. He's really good. And I did not know what he was working with vocally until last night when he sang Dear John, which is actually a very hard song to sing. I was very moved. It was a beautiful rendition. I fucking love that song. And Taylor's so funny because I feel like people put so much emphasis and for good reason on like who she chooses right like Sabrina's sort of been like her unofficial protégé successor yeah for a while people thought like Olivia Rodrigo there's like a lot of emphasis on who she surrounds herself with and who she sort of approves and I like that she just chose this like sort of like random guy because it's like it means nothing like I think she just likes him they're friends yeah she's not the next Taylor Swift no but she always is like lifting up other artists and some Some of them wind up being really like her junior, but even when they're not her junior, like there's always, she's always supporting everyone around her.

30:42Who's like doing good music.

30:44Jackie Oshry:Yes, yes, yes. But choosing somber, like doesn't send a message. Do you know what I mean? As like his next turn, like it's a big deal when she sort of crowns like a young pop swirly with songwriting abilities, because it very much feels like a passing the torch in a sense, but this was like a very non-threatening choice and he did so good. Yeah, he really did. So she talked about her family and how she's so grateful for them moving to Nashville so she could fulfill her dream. She said it was easy to choose songwriting over everything else in my life, but it couldn't have been easy for my parents and my brother to just pick up and move our entire family from Pennsylvania to relocate to Nashville so that I could hone my craft in the songwriting capital of the world.

31:23She said, even though words are supposed to kind of be my thing, I'll never be able to express my gratitude to you guys for doing that for me. You're the reason I'm here tonight.

31:32Jackie Oshry:It's kind of crazy that she gave the 20-minute speech. I've seen a bunch of clips. I have not watched the whole thing in full, and I will. But I feel like a speech about her career, this is such an intimate... Yeah, yeah. And Travis was there. They did not walk the carpet together, which is annoying. But he flew in from minicamp to be there, so maybe he got there late. Her parents were also there, and they were hugging, divorced King and Queen, hugging while Taylor was talking about them. Get back together. She quoted John Dutton. She obviously watches Yellowstone, which I think I would have guessed that, yeah, she watches Yellowstone.

32:07Jackie Oshry:Travis definitely loves it. She said two things that I loved. The first was that I felt like she was saying that songwriting is easy for her. And it's not that she doesn't work hard at it, but it's a very easy thing for her to work hard at. Because when you love something so much, it's not a big deal to work hard. She's jobbing her love. Exactly, and lobbing her job. Yeah. and then the John Dutton quote was like when you really have something like when you create something so valuable like it's sort of a what the fuck was the quote like people are gonna come and steal it like that's all that like it's just how human nature works like anything worth having is like worth stealing yeah and what is she saying that's like in reference to I took it as like reference to like her not owning her masters until recently but she had said like your self-worth your integrity your art I took it as you know this very like Scott Breschetta yeah he said it's the one constant in life son you build something worth having somebody's gonna try to take it yeah um yeah she said John was talking about a ranch but I'm using this quote to refer to your self-worth your peace of mind and your singular vision as a creator yeah the speech was really good it was really well written like she talked about how like she literally had to learn how to do everything in this industry like nobody teaches you how to do you know how to protect yourself how to operate within this like crazy how to be famous but she never had to learn how to song write like she nobody taught her she just like it's so instinctual to her and she like really really loves and respects her parents for like not just sort of chalking it up to like a teenager phase but like seeing in her what she you know sometimes like you see something when you're a teenager and it's like yeah sure but her parents like really listened to her and like really believed her and literally rooted up their whole lives like her dad had a job like and just moved it actually is so crazy it is so crazy to like you have to have a wacky 12 year old but you have to just have like complete faith in your child that they are exceptional well they also have to be good yeah i think a lot of times like people can't be objective about their kids it's like well it's great that your kid is passionate but they are not good yeah but i think when the time comes to quit your job and move the family you get objective you're like let's hear that song let's hear that song you wrote no but i think there are like a lot of crazy stage moms who do quit their jobs and like move to l.a.

34:20when their kid sucks yeah but i feel like it's less of a belief in the child and like more in it's a like delusion it's a delusion it's about them um and like projecting

34:31Jackie Oshry:she looked great maybe she's in like speech writing mode she's been writing a lot of speeches vows yeah speeches this is the third outfit this week that i loved and one thing about taylor is She has a very, it's one of her greatest attributes, her loyalty. But unfortunately, she's loyal to the stylist who stinks. I don't even know his name. He just stinks. I think his name is Joseph. She's so hit or miss. Like really, genuinely, 50-50. So for her to leave the house three times this week, and I loved what she wore to that Toy Story event. The yellow was so perfection. Like actually looked like she finally got a new stylist.

35:08Jackie Oshry:The NYX came out. It was perfect. So cute. I love the fishtail braid. Girly and fun and sporty and playful. I feel like that. I feel like the Knicks outfit she did herself. I feel like when she goes out with her friend, she doesn't use a stylist. No, I think she definitely does. You think she's a stylist for the Knicks game? Yeah, I think that they knew they were going to wear these t-shirts, so they said, like, make me an outfit with a t-shirt. Oh, I really don't think so. I don't know. I feel like there are certain. Maybe it's because she was friends with Blake Lively, and that's, like, Blake Lively's thing is, like, not having a stylist.

35:33I feel like she, like, wants to get dressed herself. Big occasion, sure. But, like, to go to a baseball game or basketball game.

35:41Jackie Oshry:But the thing is, nowhere she goes is just a basketball game. No, I know. Because it literally was the Taylor Swift show. But for her, it still is. And it's like, okay, we'll have these big moments. But also, I can clothe myself. But I don't know. I don't think so. I just feel like she's not someone who can't put a pair of pants on. Some people actually can't put a pair of pants on. Agreed. They need their pajamas styled for them. Oh, and if I was famous, I'm that person. Really? Not only do I really not have - You are famous. I don't - You don't even use a stylist. No, at that level. if I was at that level I don't go anywhere.

36:13But like when you have a big most people at your level by the way most people at your level have a stylist.

36:20Jackie Oshry:Most people at my level go places. Like I don't need a stylist for my podcast. My leggings will suffice. Most people at our level would have a stylist for the podcast. And that's why their practice wouldn't be successful as ours. Right. We're so real. We're just real regular girls. Regular nagular. Also I do see I like what I'm seeing from the style direction. I'm seeing a trend in the three looks she wore this week of no not the next game the um songwriters oh yeah the jesse the jesse red carpet oh that dress was fab yeah and it's like oh sorry so she slayed four dresses four looks she's loving a strapless i i think it's signaling her wedding look well the second yellow dress which i think was the best fitting like that should be her wedding silhouette it was divine it's giving like what she changes into for the reception.

37:08Jackie Oshry:Love that. Comfier, sexier. I think a lot of people are also like looking deep into the designers. She wore Givenchy last night. She wore Oscar. The yellow dress was Oscar de la Renta. I don't know who made the mini denim ish dress. I don't think it means anything. Like she'll wear what she wants. And just because she's going to wear like, you know, Dior for the wedding or whatever, it doesn't mean she's going to be wearing like Dior all week long. She's not one of those like, but she does have longstanding relationships with like Stella McCartney. I could see like her, her doing a Stella McCartney wedding dress.

37:35Jackie Oshry:I don't know if she does bridal, but like. I think. I think. I don't know. She doesn't have like a brand that's like she's obviously wearing that. She works with everyone. She works with everyone. Oh, she did work very closely with Versace on Aris tour outfits. Ooh. And Cavalli, was it? No, it was Versace. There were a couple of designers. I think also Oscar de la Renta who did a bunch of Aris tour. A lot of high profile couture designers worked with her for the costumes. Right, so she has her pick. She's not stuck with anyone. May the best dress win. But I really have loved to see her putting out looks.

38:16Jackie Oshry:I really don't have a ton of notes on. Yeah. It's nice. It's a relief. Our next story. Selena Gomez is addressing the rumors after Nick's Game Backlash that she started herself. Literally. There's nothing like cleaning up your own mess. is addressing the rumors that she put out herself so she posted you know about like clowning on like bandwagon knicks fans yeah and then people automatically assume that she's talking about taylor which i don't know why people automatically assume that because there's a ton of bandwagon fans and taylor's actually been to knicks games before i think more she's talking about haim so i don't think that she was talking about taylor as a bandwagon fan but i think she was more so saying like there's all this hoopla for the Knicks now celebrity Taylor everyone's going and it's like well where was this energy before this week I think that there has always been a lot of like good celebrity energy around the Knicks I yeah I don't know why there's a lot of discourse now that's like everyone's being a fake Knick fan I feel like that's so not true the thing is and nobody really wants to acknowledge this but like a lot of I would argue most famous people are from New York like it is this beacon of like art culture literacy and yeah they maybe We live in L.A.

39:29Jackie Oshry:now. But like a lot of people's roots are here. And New York is also like a very transient city. Like people live here for like a decade and they are New Yorkers and maybe they're from Louisiana. But like people just like have ties here. So I don't think it's like that weird that everyone. Yeah. If everyone randomly became like Oklahoma City fans, I would say, OK, maybe that's weird. I can't imagine so many people across the country having ties to Oklahoma City. Yeah. I don't think that the celebrities are being like phony in their fandom. That's like not what I'm feeling. I feel like other people who I see like on my feed are being like a little like phony, you know, band, but like, okay, be a bandwagon fan.

40:03Name them. You know who. Name them. You know who. I don't. You know who. Name them. I would absolutely never say that. But it's like being a bandwagon fan is not a crime.

40:18Jackie Oshry:I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Like even if I'm a celebrity with no ties to the Knicks, but like there's a box and they're like, do you want to come? Like how much fun to go to the NBA championship. So yeah, you'll wear a hat or a shirt of the team of whose arena you're at. Like I don't think there's anything weird about it. That's what we were talking about this yesterday on the show. It's like people gatekeeping Nick's fandom. It's like, okay, we get a life. We know who the OGs are. Like the people who have been waiting for this moment for decades. Like we know who those are. And everyone else like can be a fan.

40:50Like it's fine. Especially if they've ever lived in New York. if they're from New York, if they work in New York, like it's really.

40:56Jackie Oshry:Some people also just like idolize New York. It's like this dreamy sort of like fantastical city. Yeah. That we're easy to root for. Sorry. And we get, we don't have a lot of moments like this. So it makes it even more exciting. Like it's no wonder, no offense, like no one's rooting for the Spurs unless you're from San Antonio because this is just sort of, it feels like I'm sorry to the Spurs, it's not your time. And it just feels like this romantic story. Yeah. And it has to have this storybook ending. It does. Yes, it does. And so Selena is a Spurs fan. Yeah, she's from San Antonio. So she's a documented Spurs fan.

41:29So then she posted on her Instagram story saying, woke up and was sent so many texts. I would never insult my friends, nor was it an insult. The comment was a reaction to the first slide on the page. Second, I bet my friends on the game, the friends in the text chain I posted. I lost but was poking at my opponents, my friends. Believe it or not, I do have other friends in my life, but quickly forget that most assume otherwise.

41:51Jackie Oshry:also it's a basketball game so selena has always been this sort of like thorn and taylor side like i think that it's like sort of like an inconvenience at this point i don't think she's so crazy yeah i think taylor's like blind to some of her like friends selena and and she has a couple of other woody friends yeah and she's just blind to it well which is kind of a good quality like she loves her friends like just very wholeheartedly and blindly and that's what you want in a friend but like public perception and just like as a third party it's like selena just looks crazy all the time like every time we talk about her on the toast it's like what crazy thing did selena go miss and you know what she had to take a major break from this nutty social media behavior also hailey bieber was at the game so like i know it's not right that like they constantly get pitted against one another but like they both i feel like every time hailey posts something she like makes sure it's not going to be misinterpreted they have to constantly be thinking about one another and i think that selena likes that like she has plausible deniability but like a lot of times she probably is talking about hailey she's like what are you talking about i'm from san it's audio like she likes that she has that so she's from pensaco we had gotten a big break i feel like we haven't talked about because she's always queen of like i'm taking a break from social media and then coming back and like starting stuff it's been a while i felt like now that she got married like she had grown up i know i keep remembering that she's married to like a sound of mind individual so i'm like okay he's not like that sound of mind but he is do you hear him on jay shetty do you hear him on jay shetty yeah he definitely has like an the man has a brain one thing but his jay shetty interview was really he has an image and like lil dicky and all that stuff that i'm like not participating in but like i've heard him talk like farting on his podcast i've heard him talk long form the man has a brain it's true um so i thought that we were behind this like very sophomoric behavior we're not is there any way her and taylor aren't friends like no but is everybody did you just like come up with the theory that it's about hailey because by the way it's about hailey people had thought that too yeah by the way it's about hailey because by the way hailey is from nyack new york yeah do you know that she's from nyack i didn't know she's from Long Island or I think Nyack is technically upstate or like the Bronx no no no Nyack is upstate what is it is here Westchester okay oh yeah you weren't wrong Bronx yeah um so all the Baldwins you know Massapequa that's where Alec is from sounds like a magical place no she's talking about Haley and like if we're gonna be pointing fingers like okay let's talk about you know who it's about it's about tate mccray like bitch you're canadian like it could be about kyle but like when i see like non-new yorkers at the game and like and i am a new yorker by the way i could give two shits like who can't like no seriously people i'm not like counting where everyone's from the only people i think who actually care are san antonio fans because like it is annoying that everyone's joining the other side yeah i also saw people were like saying taylor was just rooting against the knicks at that other game however ben and i died into it however she was not rooting she wasn't wearing one stitch of red she wore actually blue denim which if we wanted to look into and you weren't allowed to wear Nick's swag courtside you were not allowed Travis was wearing red a red calves hat but Taylor has a long standing track record of rooting for the Knicks relationships yeah and the thing is she is from Pennsylvania Pensacola she is I believe an Eagles fan because her dad is like a big Eagles fan but she sort of lived all over and she has lived a lot in New York.

45:36Jackie Oshry:She's also lived a lot in LA. So like, I'll allow it. No, I'm not questioning her Knicks fandom at all. It was just funny that people were saying that. But still, I actually don't think Selena was talking about Taylor, honestly. I think like Selena's talked about celebrities at the game and then the biggest celebrity at the game was Taylor. So like people just make everything about Taylor. But I guess like Selena and Taylor like should have gone together because Selena's like a lifelong Spurs fan and this is a really big deal. So Taylor's going to the game. Like, why didn't they go together? I know Selena was in London.

46:09Jackie Oshry:Only Spurs fan courtside. I saw, well, the thing is, if you're wearing plain clothes, it's really kind of impossible to tell. I think I had seen, I was actually looking, I saw one woman wearing a Webinyama jersey in the second row. In the second row.

46:28Jackie Oshry:I don't know Selena is just a funny one But this is what I said to Ben the other day So I apologize I'm repeating a lot today We have this wedding coming up That's going to be like a true litmus test Of where Taylor's at with everyone Like we will know And it's a big wedding It's a thousand people according to sources So we will know who she's good with For sure But let me just tell you Taylor loves Selena I know Taylor loves Selena It's kind of like her Achilles heel State of Grace is about Selena Gomez you're my achilles heel and she gives her a lot of grace yeah literally are you ready for our next story we're moving so slowly today we are moving so slow we have so much to do okay real houses of new jersey star theresa judice's 20 year old daughter melania has been arrested for assault melania actually judice 20 year old daughter of theresa judice was arrested for domestic violence page six can confirm the 20 year old college student was charged with one count of simple assault on May 14th, Montville Township Chief of Police Andrew Caggiano said in a press release obtained by Page Six.

47:31Court records show that officers detained Melania after the incident occurred at 6.12pm local time. She was scheduled to appear in court on May 19th, but no plea was entered. May 19th? This happened on May 14th.

47:48Jackie Oshry:What? And we're just finding out about it? Yep. okay so I was playing Mahjong when this happened and after it was over I was like not on my phone my friend Margaret texted me and she was like Melania was arrested while we were Mahjong and I was like Trump like I'm sorry Melania if you're gonna say if you're a one name wonder named Melania it's not Judas I was like wait that's insane and she was like no Judas I was like oh if you know Melania it's like she does give that energy like whenever she reached the age to be like eligible for arrest she was going to get arrested like of all the sisters like it was never going to be gabriella it was never gonna be gia it was obviously melania like so yeah this tracks like who'd she beat up like i would love to know the backstory and like if we ever get real housewives of new jersey back on our screens like maybe we'll find out yeah melania should go on her sister gia's podcast and like talk about it oh yeah yeah oh you know what i watched this morning i watched like 20 minutes of a Chrisley podcast.

48:49Jackie Oshry:Let me tell you, those Chrisleys are fucking funny. And they have like this great sort of witty banter because they're always talking about like their arrest and their judge. I guess like their case was kind of like fraught with a little bit of fraud. And they had this really bad judge who just was exposed for having in like an affair in her chambers with the head of the Atlanta Police Department. So they covered that story on the Chrisley podcast. Now, Julie's like clenching her butt cheeks because Todd is over here calling the judge a hoe and running a brothel in her chambers it was hysterical they're seriously so funny and she's like like she is sort of like the the straight one on the podcast and she just like lets him run wild it's genuinely funny I was cracking up I kind of love Todd Todd Chrisley I mean who is Todd like hilarious the Chrisley's are a bit of a blind spot for me I never like watch their show well i did actually like right way before they became much more famous like as they got arrested and then pardoned by trump like but their show like which i think hadn't even been on for quite some time by the time he got arrested was not very popular it was on usa like it was so random no no it was on usa let me tell you i watched that shit so fucking much it was good Todd was crazy.

50:06Jackie Oshry:It was always curious how they made their money. And I'm not entirely sure when it came to like the crimes that they were accused of, whether or not they did it. I think they did do like some stuff wrong, but not to the degree of being in prison for 14 years. Yeah, yeah. But they've always had this very strange, funny family dynamic. And now they all podcast. Savannah has her own podcast. The parents have a podcast. I saw the other two siblings have one. I don't think they talked to the brother. but I think they like raised the brother's child. I don't know. There was like a lot of drama. They're very interesting.

50:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah, they are. And like people really, you know, the cream rises and like they have listeners and everyone like is very invested. Let me tell you why. It's Todd. He is a star. Todd on Dancing with the Stars when. Like Todd, I'm telling you, is grossly slept on. I know he's like a convict. So I don't know where they like, I think Anna Delvey, so. Yeah, and he's pardoned. Yeah, but once you get pardoned, like do you get everything back? Like can you vote? or are you still a felon? I don't know if you can vote. Do you have a record? You're not exonerated. You just get pardoned. Yeah, you just get your sentence commuted.

51:14I don't know. It's probably something we could just look up.

51:17Jackie Oshry:That's my goal in life. It's evade taxes for 20 years, get caught, go to jail for 30 minutes, and get pardoned. Okay. Well, don't say that. Oh, yeah. I can't let my enemies know what I'm up to. Yeah. Are you ready for our next? Never let them know your next step. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Miranda Hope. What is it? The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but they're not filming. Miranda announces her debut single, says she's telling her story in a completely different way. What? Miranda has revealed her latest career pivot, a country music career. In an Instagram post, she announced that her debut single, which is called FU4That, number four, letter F, letter U, number four, that.

52:06Is her stage name Miranda Hope?

52:07Jackie Oshry:That's a good name, by the way. Yeah, it will drop on June 26th. Oh, so I can't, I was just going to go pull it up. But is there like a little teaser on her Instagram? Oh, yes. Play it.

52:23I love it.

52:28Jackie Oshry:I can't lie. It sounds better than I thought it would. She said, sharing this part of myself with the world is both exciting and intimidating. Music has always been such a huge part of my life, and this project gave me an opportunity to tell my story in a completely different way. I'm so proud of what we've created. Can't wait for people to hear it, and this is just the beginning. That's unexpected. I thought if we were going to get music from anyone in the secret lives of Mormon wives, it would have been, and I see your true colors, Demi and Brett. And this definitely feels out of left field.

52:59Jackie Oshry:Like I think we all sing, but I didn't know that Miranda did. Yeah. And also, I mean, this is this is big because I feel like some of the girls have really like have other things going on for them. And then there are girls that are still like kind of stuck in Utah and like they get amazing brand deals and whatnot. But like career wise, there's not like a big plan. And no, none of them have done this yet. One of them can. Carving out a niche of music could be good. Yeah. I feel like Jessie has graduated a little bit. And Jessie has her business. is like she's right busy and she taylor obviously has graduated whitney obviously oh of course yeah jen has not graduated but she is going to the oc franchise which is new and different yeah and she did dancing but mikaela macy layla miranda like are sort of the just and you know what i actually appreciate that and maybe that some of them want to be that they're sort of stable figures like they just stay in utah and our mom talk yes and i think that they make a really good living and if I imagine have like happy work-life balance and I would hope that the ones who are doing that are happy with just doing that because I think you could live a happy life but if they are like wanting more then they probably feel like left behind I think that like Layla feels left behind yeah because she's pursuing modeling I think Macy is content me too I think she has like Shalom Bayi like the show hasn't ruined her life yet and she sees that like maybe some of the other girls who like want more and desire more and like leave Utah a lot it does sort of have a negative impact and so i think she takes you know being not the most famous one in the group but being like very middle i would say middle top and like she wrote her book and so she shared like she has her passion projects but it doesn't she does her collabs too far from home and far from family and i think i hope she's content i think mikayla too yeah and i think mikayla also has like a lot of other things going on in her life like with her health that like it's not a priority to can i be the most famous mom talk like yeah i think she just prioritizes like feeling well.

54:55Here's the thing. You don't want to be the most famous mom talk. That's the thing.

54:59Jackie Oshry:It's true. There's only one way to go when you're the most famous mom. Look at Taylor Frankie Paul, the most famous. Correct. Well, good luck to Miranda. I'm excited to hear the song. So am I. Before we continue on, let me let you know that today's episode is brought to you by booking.com booking. Yeah. So imagine this. You're traveling with three toddlers, two grandparents, a nap schedule that rules everything. Or you're, you know, a group of a group of swirlies who podcast and who you have very particular soundproofing needs when podcasting from your hotel, or you're like a big foodie friend group, or you've got a really specific partner, whatever type of trip you're booking for, Booking.com can help you find the perfect place.

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59:52Jackie Oshry:You're welcome. Our fifth and final story, Love Stories, Paul Anthony Kelly, who played JFK Jr. in... I'm okay. In Love Story, is joining the Housemaid sequel with Sidney Sweeney and Kirsten Dunst. So JFK Jr. from Lump Story will be in the sequel of The Housemaid called The Housemaid Secret with Sidney Sweeney, who's reprising her role, and Kirsten Dunst. It is based on the sequel to the Frieda McFadden novel. Okay, and who's Paul Anthony Kelly playing? I think he's playing, I would imagine, like the husband. Yeah. Of the rich lady who's like sick. Yeah, and the book is like, the Housemaid gets, Sidney gets a job like working in a apartment for this man and his wife but she's never allowed to see the wife right and he like she's just supposed to be believing what the husband says and did we like fake cast this or was it actually confirmed that that guy the italian stud from 365 days is playing enzo michelle marone yeah he's in this and is he in the original he must have because his that guy is in the original characters in both yeah yeah and then i need to see the housemaid I have like a list of movies I haven't seen.

1:01:00Jackie Oshry:The Housemaid and Devil Wears Prada. I had another one. I still have to watch Full Swing. And did you ever see Marty Supreme? No, and I'm not going to. I didn't like it. It's like was barely on my list and it's not on my list anymore. Like, sorry, Kylie, I love you, but I'll catch you on the next one. Yeah, no, you missed it too. Like the hype for the Oscars, like it's over. It's over. Oh, and he can wear all that orange stuff to the Knicks. Yes, they were matching chrome hearts. It was cute. she looked amazing she's insane looking oh wait can we talk about taylor and kylie hugging we can it was the hug that you give your sister's enemy for sure oh one thousand percent and kylie's eyes because like taylor saw kylie so taylor was sort of prepped going in kylie just turns around and your sister's enemies behind you who's also the most famous person in the world so kylie's eyes are kind of white she's like that was so crazy yeah that was so crazy yeah i need more angles of this i want taylor's eight like there's a person behind kylie there's a person behind kylie filming it like where is that video i need to see taylor's face if she looked genuine or not because like kylie actually shouldn't have an issue with taylor it's her sister's enemy but like your sister's over it and nothing happened bad for your sister and you were like 16 at the time yeah but like taylor hates kim more and like those associated with kim of course so like for taylor like still actively writes songs about it like thank you amy cassandra like these are songs that people believe to be about the Kardashians on TTPD.

1:02:27Jackie Oshry:That's two years ago. Taylor would have to be displaying even more fakeness than Kylie in that moment. But it was Taylor who went over and said hello. I was sitting behind them. I was on that side. They were both courtside but they were decently far enough away from each other and they were technically on opposite sides of the court that when Taylor was leaving to go to drinks or the bathroom, she went one way and Kylie went the other. They could have avoided. Taylor actively sought her out. You see Taylor sort of waiting for her to turn around. Taylor could have just left. That's how you treat your enemies, though.

1:02:57Jackie Oshry:Yeah, and Taylor is also very aware that, like, everyone's watching everything she does. So, like, she wanted people to know, like, I say hello, I'm gracious. Yeah. The only person that she would actually not have said hello to is Kim. Kim. But that's how. Well, actually, even. Yeah, no, I guess she obviously wouldn't say hi to Kanye, but maybe she would say hi to Kim. I think maybe she wouldn't. She wrote a song about Kim. Thank you, Amy. She fucking hates Kim. She would have, like, made sure she was nowhere near. but like when you're in a cold war that's how you treat your enemy and i'm sure that taylor and kylie both knew that the other was going to be there and so you have time to prep yeah and she knew that she was there and that if they win they'll be on the court like and fine i'll just hug her i mean i think they both handled it perfectly and it was a great moment do they even know each other like yeah her and kendall you actually they've definitely met because like kendall and taylor used to be friends yeah it's just like so upsetting that like they'll never swirl it up you know it is even though i think that if there was no bad beef bad blood the kardashians and taylor like wouldn't really be friends they're not similar they're not very different like i don't think they would get along so i think there's really not even an opportunity lost no no and who was hailey with she was in the tape so there were like so many celebrities courtside but i think it was actually very difficult to get those seats that msg had two suites up in the suites level that were like definitely filled with celebrities.

1:04:23Jackie Oshry:They gave them free. Nina Dobrev, Penn Badgley, Tate McRae, Jake Shane, Kiki Palmer, Haley Beaver. So she was sitting with Tate and Jake. Cute. Time for, oh anyways, good for JFK Jr. He got another job and I liked him as an actor. I know like you. And you know Dumois said that Carolyn Bissette, Sarah Pidgeon was spotted like swirling it up with Joe Alwyn. yikes yeah that's she could do so much better for the q score but um no i'm i i like this and me too not that i have like anything to say because i didn't even see the first movie but i did read this second book as well and great go off king and he has been like getting some flack on the internet because like a lot of his um interviews have gone viral because like he's not like like super friendly and like he was asked at the Met Gala Somebody was like What Beyonce music Do you listen to When you're getting ready Or what's your favorite Beyonce song And he was just like Because I guess Beyonce came And like people were just asking And he was like I don't I like listen to metal And he was like Kind of like Not dismissive But being like Kind of that was a dumb question I mean it kind of was Yeah of course And the Like people were like Oh he doesn't give a fuck He's so mean But I kind of respect it Like it was a dumb Stupid question Seriously Seriously They're not at a Beyonce concert They're not even at a music event they're at a fashion event like it was a stupid question yeah and he's kind of like someone asked him a question and he was like i don't know i don't like get a lot of sleep these days he just had a baby like he doesn't give a fuck like i like that and like that's fine not everyone like needs to be like bubbly like on the end you know viral moments fake because not everyone is like that we all have different personalities a thousand percent um is it time for tv recap it is it's time for Lausa recap.

1:06:07Jackie Oshry:So, very much like a filler episode, but I did enjoy because it was just like, I feel like the whole episode was one afternoon. Yeah. But there was a lot going on in that afternoon. It was the first time that I was like, with this Melanie and Sincere thing, she's obviously the crazy one, but it was the first time he was starting to piss me off because what do you mean you had a conversation with Melanie and she asked you straight up do you still want to explore soul and you said no and then you're upstairs. It was the first time I felt like her anger was justified. She is a crazy person, so like she's hard to root for he officially did wrong he yeah he moved badly and in in an insincere sort of way I would say because this whole time I support him in soul I actually like love him in soul I think they should be together forever and if he does not couple up with her well I guess America well he's going to America okay America's choosing but if he like still stays with Melanie and like winds up back with Melanie I will be like really upset with him because like what do you mean you have this connection with Melanie when you've known each other for five days and you've fought for four of them like yeah why is that stronger than what you have with soul which is only happiness and light and I felt like last night's episode it was just like becoming clear that so many things should happen there's like a puzzle here and I feel like they're getting close obviously Melanie and Corbin should be together like two freaks sincere and soul are a match made in heaven Jen and Gabriel are a match made in heaven even though we didn't even see them last night I do feel like Kenzie and Caleb are a match made in heaven but I feel like she doesn't like him that's what I said the other recap I feel like she doesn't like him and that's a mistake I do feel like she attaches easily I feel like she's a lover and she's like attached herself to Corbin and like went into it very much in earnest and like now is a little bit attached to him people think that they were having sex in the bed scene.

1:07:58Did you see that? No. It was very brief. They showed all the couples, everyone with their back turned to each other. You can actually look it up because there is a still shot. I'll send you the article. We're talking about Corbin and... And Kenzie. Yes, they went to sleep that night with happy thoughts. I went to sleep. Oh, I see. Yeah. Do you see the image? Of him behind her. Of him behind her. And then I actually saw it because I was watching without looking at my phone. She like has her finger in her mouth and she's like, you know, obviously experiencing something. I didn't think it was sex necessarily.

1:08:33Their bottoms aren't moving. Do people know how sex works? Like how do you know? Oh, you see a video of it? Yeah, I'm watching it. I didn't think it was sex necessarily, but they're obviously doing something rounding the bases.

1:08:47Jackie Oshry:A thousand percent. Like so. And I think that she gets pissing me off that she doesn't like Caleb because it's getting in the way of my puzzle. I think she likes Caleb, but she's already like become involved with Corbin. And it's like she can't just like remove herself that easily when she's invested in him a little bit. But I agree with you. You know, I think actually Melanie and Corbin are a good match because I feel like she can really be herself with him. I feel like with Sincere, she's always like either being like. She's pretending to be someone she's not. She is. Or she's also just always having a fit.

1:09:20Whereas like with Corbin, I felt like they sat down and they were just like could actually just be themselves. Him too, Mr. Chad GPT, where he's like, oh, Mr. Can I get a kiss? He's got to fucking stop with that.

1:09:30Jackie Oshry:Okay. So Melanie asked him, do you want kids? No. He said, yeah. Beatrice asked him that. Do you want kids? And he said, yeah. And she said, how many? Like a lot? He said, I want three people. Who the fuck says that? Yeah. There's something so weird about him. I like that yesterday everybody like decided, you know, we've all sort of coupled up, but let's just see if there's anything else. Everybody started talking to one another. Bea and Corbin, Corbin and Melanie. And I guess Bryce and Kada. So when Bryce sits his friend down. Oh, I didn't get there. Tell me what happened. Oh my God. I still have 10 minutes.

1:10:11Jackie Oshry:So Bryce is like teasing to us. He's like, I want to talk to Zach, yada, yada. I'm like, what is he about to say? I thought, because you know people like ship him and Zach. I thought he was leading up to be like Zach I have a crush on you and it was gonna be like a cute like meet cute with them No he was like I want to pull Kata for a chat And Zach starts laughing he thinks he's joking That is funny And he's like no no I'm serious and Zach was like oh really And Bryce was like yeah I would never do it without Tao Cammu first but like I don't know I just feel like I would be Like upset with myself like he's like I feel like Trinity doesn't like me And I have this like lingering thing like I feel like Kata and I have something and Zach like was really like laughing in his face even when he knew that he was being serious and he was like yeah sure like he's so not threatened by Zach I think he feels very secure in excuse me by Bryce but it did then uh Zach then also went over to Trinity and told her and they had been having like an argument before that she was like you're not affectionate enough I think he just feels that like she really doesn't like him I mean she is always maybe there are other conversations but she's always just saying how they're not a good couple and she doesn't feel like they're as good as everybody else and it's like that's annoying to hear all the time you're making it like a self-fulfilling prophecy now I will agree with her that he's not like leading with like romance and making her feel like they're in a like a romantic couple because it does feel very friendship but I do think there's still the potential for more and he is very committed to her he doesn't step out he doesn't talk to other people maybe nobody wants to talk to him but I don't know I he seems like he means what he says so like she just sort of has to trust him that they will get there but I I could see for her why that's frustrating and why she would feel like wait I'm in this relationship that's not a relationship but to constantly bring it up instead of doing something about instead one either be more affectionate with him or two talk to other people yeah so he hasn't talked to Katie yet but he like made all the arrangements he's doing it all right but it's sort of like this futile effort like Katie is obsessed with Zach and And Kata sort of famously turned him away when the three of them were in bed together the first time at Paradise Cove.

1:12:15Jackie Oshry:So I was shocked. I didn't realize what he was going to say. I'm like, what is he like gearing up for? And I was like, wait, what? Like that's your best friend's girlfriend. And also like you had your chance. Well, I think it's good because I think Zach needs to appreciate Kata more. And he needs to feel threatened. They need to close off. Yeah. No. And he was like not appreciating her. And so I want him to like realize that he has to like work for her and try and like, I hope Kata like actually uses this as an opportunity to get him to get serious. Motivate him into some sort of feeling of maybe jealousy or something.

1:12:51Like I think she should wield this. Yeah. So that, that would be good for them. I actually really like Bryce. I think he's like so level-headed and.

1:13:01Jackie Oshry:You like him because his name is Bryce, but sure. No, no. And when he came in with like the hair, like just put your hair back. Agreed. it's like it's very distracting um no he seems very genuine and level-headed and I feel like he's earnestly like looking for a good gal and I feel like he really I agree like I don't think Trinity and him I just don't think there's enough chemistry yeah but I think and I think the same of Trinity I think she's like a quality girl and I think she's also looking and I wish it would work maybe it still can but I they both need to start having conversations with other people it's not working yeah i agree but i don't know like who there's right for either of them right now maybe we need new bombshells yeah i really like the bombshells the the og girls are being really mean i don't like that they are they're so immature it's really ugly when they the all the girls besides the two bombshells like had the conversation on the couch and beatrice was like gabriel kissed both bombshells or melanie said that and then melanie was like i kiss and they all started screaming and everyone's like looking at them no and like melanie like rolls off the couch she's so extra she's always doing shit like that and like it keeps it's never appropriate yeah and like it just made everyone else especially the other two girls who aren't there just obviously feel left out when melanie was in the glam room like so upset that sincere kissed both bombshells and literally jen is right behind her i don't know if she knew jen was behind her but she was like i mean he kissed both of them like she's literally right behind you she can hear you when at the challenge he kissed both of them in the glam room no remember they both got pulled for a chat and he kissed Jen and sincere kiss Jen.

1:14:35Jackie Oshry:Mm hmm. I think he I think she was it Gabriel. I think I think she's saying he kissed soul twice. No no. Who kissed both Gabriel Gabriel. Yeah. OK so they're in the glam room and Melanie's like I can't believe he kiss both of them like them is talking like so dismissive like it was basically like I can't believe you know he kissed it like Jen was right behind her. yeah no she's really really immature and it's like I don't need all like the fake girls girls isms hate that but to like just not like the new bombshells because they're new and you feel threatened is just really ugly when they're coming in and like it's a it's a hard situation to walk into also there's a lot of discourse online because people have found videos of Melanie from a couple years ago um and she used to be a plus-size model her family's speaking out I like There's a bunch of stories about it.

1:15:29They're talking about the Olympic allegations. I'm pretty sure.

1:15:33Jackie Oshry:Cracking up. Okay. I did see that she was a former plus size model. And I do think a lot of her behavior. Once you've been fat. I assume for a great portion of your adult life. And then you get skinny. You kind of don't know how to act. I think that to say that the attention you get when you're fat and skinny from romantic partners is the same. It's just a lie. It's different. And so I think maybe she doesn't really know how to handle some of the attention that she gets. And yeah, she does act like a preschooler. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that maybe a lot of the attention she's getting romantically like is new for her.

1:16:06Jackie Oshry:And she doesn't know how to handle it. Yeah. Or people are saying that like she acts insecure and it stems from when she is plus size, which I just think is like not a good argument. Thing to say. Yeah. It's not a good thing to say. And like it's just that's not necessarily true. I like how it's like we're looking back in people's history. We're looking for tweets. did you say a slur melody was fat like it's insane no but actually and also she like her transformation is amazing she looks insane she i mean she's so beautiful she's one of the most beautiful girls when she got there but like to to know that she's been on this journey i find it very inspiring i'm very very relatable too i'm very inspired by her she's got good skin elasticity but i think sometimes when somebody loses a lot of weight like you can tell i would never have has a really bad personality and i just think that she just has a bad personality no matter her size yeah like let's not blame the weight yeah it's so like it's unfair she's insufferable at any size that's what i think i agree and i think people like ascribing like her being insecure as having been like don't blame a lot of us a lot of us are plus size and we're delighted meanwhile she's a bikini model when she's plus size i don't think she's insecure I just think it's actually like an overgeneralization and they think they're being like inclusive you're actually being offensive you're being fat phobic as fuck yeah no but they think they're being inclusive and saying that and I'm just saying it's a typical generalization Love Island discourse is fucking crazy no it really is so anyways oh her cousins and her sister were like speaking out they're like because people saw the old pictures of her and they thought it was AI and so her cousin was like Melanie is my little cousin I can tell you it's her and no Ozempic.

1:17:51She said she worked hard to get her current body and she wasn't insecure when she was plus size and she's not insecure now. Thank you, cousin.

1:17:59Jackie Oshry:Oh, this is the first year that Islanders are not allowed to have their social medias be running. Love it. Yeah, so in years past, like you would leave your Instagram and your TikTok. Like if I left, I would give you the keys. And then it's sort of like the captain of your fan club is like posting pictures. I think Love Island gives you a lot of content to post. Somebody's like running your accounts while you're gone. this is the first year that that's not happening and I actually like it better because a lot of times like the person running the account gets canceled like I found your sister's old tweets it's insane it's insane and also it adds nothing this person has no information on what's going on they're posting stills from the show that we are watching and they're just like captioning and making it about themselves in some way I think it's so good that they're not doing this also this season it really seems like they did not choose pre-existing influencers um people with followings anything like that so it's not like they have an account with 500 ,000 followers and they want their followers to watch I think doing it this way has been so much better yeah like huda had like 200 ,000 followers before last season ace was like a streaming king oh yeah streams yeah so I think this is really good and also like I think everybody is there for like the fame and everything that comes after it but it makes it sort of like a level playing field and it feels less about that.

1:19:15Agreed. So that's your Love Island recap. We'll see you after the recoupling.

1:19:22Jackie Oshry:Oh, I can't wait. Let's dive into our final segment of the week, which is Queenie and Weenie Friday. Every Friday, last segment of the week. We like to do Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It's a self-explanatory segment where we just give out awards to people who act like Queenies and Weenies this week. I feel like a lot of joy was brought this week. I'm ready to go. Let's start with Queenie. I would like to give my Queenie to somebody who sort of like flies under the radar. Someone who never likes to make it about himself. But I'm going to make it about himself. And it's OG Ananobi.

1:19:54Jackie Oshry:So he's responsible for the tip in the tip in her around the world. Like it was insane. He's a viral king. I don't know if you know he has like so many viral moments. And another one happened this week. So he's in the press conference. Like he literally just saved the game. Yeah. The whole game. He's so chill. Someone was like how does it feel? He was like, I mean, everyone thought it was pretty cool. I also thought it was cool. Like, he's so nonchalant about the whole thing. And I just, I said this the other day, and it would take one quick Google search, but I've been too lazy. I hope he has a good woman at home.

1:20:22Yeah, I hope so, too. Obviously, Queenie of the Week are, like, the Knicks. There's an NL celebrity, like, everything to do. But OG. It's been such a delight. OG, specifically, Jalen Brunson, not to be overlooked. Never. Mr. Jordan Woods, not to be overlooked.

1:20:38Jackie Oshry:No, of course. but I feel like a lot of the players like get their shine and OG is sort of like low key. Like, and it was him. Like he had 33 points and he barely played the second half. Like Jalen Martin at 36, you know, did you see? It's always Jalen. It's always Jalen. Absolutely. Of course. But like, OJ, did you see your boy Fox is in like hot water? Who the fuck is my boy Fox on the Spurs? You said it's like, it's not just Wemby like Fox. The guy I like is castle. So is that who you said? Okay. But this guy Fox. So when right before the OG play, the last one, like the Spurs had the ball and that guy Fox like ran it down so quick to take a shot.

1:21:13But they were winning. All he had to do was just like sort of. Yeah, of course. Hold on to the ball and run out the clock. Waste time. So like he kind of fucked up the entire game. And then reports are that he did not get on the team plane back to San Antonio.

1:21:26Jackie Oshry:Excuse me? Like everyone's so mad. I don't know why he didn't get on the plane, but like. How is he going to get home? maybe like he could fly separately but i think that's a big deal that he wasn't on the plane for whatever reason but yeah he actually like just lost the game for them i mean it was a group effort like it takes more than just one person at one moment to diminish a 30 point lead yes no but the same way like it takes more than just og and that uh uh alley oop but it's on him the win is on him is the loss on Fox. So awkward. Seriously. So I can never just like be a part of such high stakes things in the same vein.

1:22:05Jackie Oshry:My weenie of the week goes to the group of young men who destroyed a taxi cab in New York City while celebrating the next win. I saw the cab driver. There was a girl too. Oh was there. And they were like taking off belts and like like whipping the car. And there was a girl. I thought that was really embarrassing for her like trying to impress the guys. Oh my God. She definitely drinks beer. Such low brow, like disgusting behavior. First of all, that's someone's personal property, like a cab driver who's now responsible because like you're an animal. Um, it bothered me so much. I saw the cab driver.

1:22:39Jackie Oshry:He just looked like so upset and defeated and like the cops couldn't even do anything to like usher his car out. I think that people like that are some of the lowest IQ individuals. Um, I think that they actually like don't deserve to live in the same, like we are civilized. I don't know what, what you do. Um, it really upset me i can't believe there was a girl there that like changes everything yeah um that poor cab driver like that's just someone's dad that's someone's husband like seriously just wanted to go to work and you now like his livelihood is like taken from him and like is there a go fund me like how how is he paying for the cab like it really bothered me yeah it's really upsetting also the person who threw an egg at wendy big yeah that makes us look so bad you guys like and like and yet wendy is the villain like he is this sort of dirty player but like now we're worse than that uh when he's a villain it's a game it's okay selena it's also it's a basketball game he's not the actual bit like it's he's the villain of the of the game of the game correct so he's also still somebody's son yeah to throw an egg is really classless disgusting behavior it it is and i feel like i don't know what could be done like literally the nypd is deploying all their officers they have barricades up but like i don't know i don't really feel like the players should have to like do a pap walk just getting off the bus into their hotel you know what i mean like pull up into the garage like do something oh i mean yeah maybe i don't know if the bus could like fit in a i know that's what i was saying to ben it's hard in new york city i think sometimes if you're playing in like you know san antonio you can go in the parking to your hotel right but they're probably it wouldn't fit right and like maybe people could just control themselves so like the players could walk five steps to the hotel insane yeah not cool and like also like i think after the first game some i saw a video of like some guy like bashing someone's heads in with a they took a sign off the like a bus stop sign like a street sign yeah sign and was like bashing someone's head with it not good like they're ruining it they really are yeah that's what i mean when i say like i'll be okay if the knicks win on friday on saturday like away from home.

1:24:46Jackie Oshry:Understood. And I'm just watching from home. So those are the movies. So big time. Thank you guys so much for listening to The Toast. And Nalafi. Thank you so much for listening to The Toast. We do all the fastest stories you need to know for Monday and Friday. Oh my gosh. Nalaf Central. Subscribe this video for a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasting. We're podcasting fans so it's Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube wherever you listen to podcasts. Find us a toast. We're five-star. We're at Abutal's Sunday and Weekly Talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing day, amazing weekend and we will see you on Monday.

1:25:08Jackie Oshry:let's go Knicks. Love ya. On Monday they could be world champions. Love ya. Bye.