Thank You Amanda Batula: Wednesday, June 17th, 2026

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15:43Claudia Oshry:What can I say? Okay, first story inside Summer House, the aftermath. So Summer House, the aftermath aired last night, and it was three conversations between six cast members. We had Amanda chatting with Lindsay at Lindsay's apartment, then Wes and Kyle chatting at Kyle and Amanda's former apartment, and then Sierra and Miha.

16:09Jackie Oshry:so I saw Lindsay I feel like she's getting flack because she was pretty empathetic um and it was kind of is that yeah I saw her being like I saw her being on threads of course honestly Summer House is gonna be the thing to get me to download threads she was like uh this part got cut out but I told Amanda that like if you can't act with integrity like you can't be in my life because I think maybe she's getting flack for just being like a friendly shoulder and it was kind of refreshing I feel like Amanda was finally telling us stuff because she wasn't being berated and she said that was like her trauma response in her relationship with Kyle like when she's getting yelled at she just shuts down like it's so I think that's what we saw at the reunion so the fact that like there was somebody there who wasn't just like out to get her and like prove her like turn everything she said it was kind of refreshing just to have a normal conversation I'm not mad at Lindsay she's allowed to be nice no and I feel like we berated Amanda it hasn't worked if we

16:58Claudia Oshry:want to get some answers like let's try something different Lindsay's tone was a hundred percent right it was actually very impressive how she was able to be warm and tough and mad and nice and it was exactly I think the right conversation obviously Amanda felt comfortable enough you know she was on this at the same time like making fun of her but also like having you know caring for her and as someone who was your friend once for 10 years you don't just like 100 % throw them in the garbage like she is a human being she's obviously struggling the magnitude of course what she did is so bad but like most people who would do that in their life and like sleep with their friends ex like would never have to deal with what Amanda is now dealing with and it's like not a normal human experience so I thought Lindsay Stone I don't know what people are saying

17:45Jackie Oshry:I couldn't have written it better myself and it produced the best conversation of the night so yes I feel like they went downhill from there oh yeah of the three conversations I would say this one was the most relevatory like we learned the most I feel like I'm still confused but I have a little bit more clarity on like timeline and stuff yeah and it's like it was hard for a man

18:04Claudia Oshry:because in that conversation she's trying to explain how she got to a place of saying yes to dating west and so at the reunion if she even tried to say he makes me so happy i never felt like nobody wants to hear how much you love west no one wants to hear how amazing you like so she's stuck between a rock and a hard place at the reunion so she's not saying anything and that's why we're not getting nobody wanted her to sit there across from sierra and talk about how west likes her so much and all the things he said to her that he never said to Sierra so much of her

18:32Jackie Oshry:explanation has to do with the fact that like she's traumatized from this like borderline abusive marriage and we completely rewrote history at the reunion like Kyle being a bad husband yelling at her like was we were lying about it like they were all like rewriting the whole so so much of how she got to a place where she could be so stupid has to do with the seven-year torture chamber she was in and the reunion was not a welcoming place to discuss that. Like it was an inconvenient truth to the rest of the castmates.

19:04Claudia Oshry:Yes, but also like if she sat there and said like - To Sierra's face, of course. Her feelings about Wes, all the things that Wes has said to her that like Sierra would have only dreamed that he ever said to her, like that would have been insane rubbing it in. Awful, yeah. It would have been rubbing it in her face so she could say nothing. So this was a much better forum for her to share the details of how we fell in love. So not that we can ever understand it, but we could see how it happened to the mind of someone so i will say this first conversation

19:31Jackie Oshry:was definitely the best one like i would say a word to describe it like relevatory like we were

19:36Claudia Oshry:learning things however the second one was like genuinely frustrating and confusing yes lindsey and amanda's conversation though like really made me feel like lindsey like they were about to break up what happened in that time period because they are so not broken up it would have been

19:55Jackie Oshry:the whole conversation feels pointless and moot because we know that she does continue to date him exclusively travel meet his family so it's like she felt this way at one point and this point that was I think May 20th or May 13th um that's a month ago so oh great glad you felt that way for 10 seconds but you don't feel that way anymore so this is kind of pointless and I do

20:17Claudia Oshry:feel like what Lindsay was saying in the episode and also in her thread tweet is that as well for as long as Amanda's dating West like they cannot be friends if you break up with him and you start to course correct like then you know maybe we could find a path to forgiveness but like you're still doing the thing my I know that what she did is bad right right right but like hearing her

20:40Jackie Oshry:explain it and I'm glad she finally got the opportunity to explain it because it doesn't make it less bad but you could see how somebody's so damaged and like so yeah it's like mean the word sierra used but it's true she's like very vulnerable and weak how she could be susceptible to something like this like sierra was not even a thought in her mind yeah i think actually um

21:02Claudia Oshry:a lot of what she said i think exonerated her a little bit like how when she was still married to kyle up until the day she separated from kyle west would always invite her around i think he invites a lot of people and she always said screenshots and she always said no and then after kyle she's sitting in her apartment like so depressed and someone invites her to watch a game here or there and she goes because she should be going to stuff and west is her friend and i guess in the way that lindsey says it and i don't know west enough to use these words but this is lindsey knows him that he really manipulated her he sees this like weak sad woman broken person who has no one apparently even though like why didn't she call Sierra to go out I don't know correct and Sierra was calling her a lot right and really like takes advantage of the situation but my question is like to what end like so in West's perfect world what happens here because there's no way that he dates Amanda and it goes well in his life well I think maybe he thought he had

22:04Jackie Oshry:like really successfully hidden this relationship all summer long that maybe he could hide this one until they got to a place where they could like launch it it was never going to go over amazingly but if they had like really kept it quiet for like six months and then soft launched it brought it up there are better ways to have done it but the thing is is that he won't even commit to it so then the next conversation Kyle is like do you love her he can't even say yes and like the only way that this could be better it's never going to be good is that amanda she's sitting on the couch with lindsey and she says she felt so broken and west made her feel this way and it all and she's not alluding to them breaking up she's saying you know it healed me and she's saying all good things and then kyle's like do you love her bro and west is like yes and like a romantic person could see but he won't even say that he loves her he's like i said it in her room you love her all you guys are weird and touch each other and tell each other that you love each

22:54Claudia Oshry:other that's not what he was asking you yeah i'm glad that kyle felt like west was sitting down with her dad that was the energy like what are your intentions with my daughter yeah i was glad that kyle mentioned that you are inappropriate and the touchiness is inappropriate but like it also needs to be a referendum on the house problem he's not the only one doing it maybe he's the worst sierra everyone everyone is touching inappropriate lines have been blurred for a while yeah it was very frustrating and like so wordsality when he was like do you love her and he was like yeah i i mean i i told her this summer i love her i'm like are you a fucking idiot when he said yes i was like oh my god maybe he is changed and then he was like i mean i told her in your room and i was

23:33Jackie Oshry:like what that was really crazy he was frustrating the fucking hell out of me that was insane that was how stupid do you think we are i did appreciate the context of who asked who for the conversation who wanted to film it um and i love that wes thinks like he's still being protected he obviously got comfortable getting a good edit because he is a bad guy like objectively just a bad guy and he's gotten this like darling fun boy edit so i think he still thinks he has that layer of protection because he's like you know and i mean we'll cut this but i didn't want and it's like well we're

24:06Claudia Oshry:not cutting it actually i love that yeah yeah and then they flash back to like the times that miha came up you guys so then then we transition to the third conversation which was definitely

24:19Jackie Oshry:the low point of the episode and i feel like this like you know revenge becoming best friends with the girl behavior is so beneath Sierra like the whole conversation was so beneath Sierra and like

24:30Claudia Oshry:I don't know whose decision it was for like Sierra's role in that episode to be the conversation with Mija but that gave nothing it gave less they wanted to give bring in the big guns like

24:42Jackie Oshry:have Sierra sit down with Paige yeah that's what the people want to see or Hannah Burner

24:50Claudia Oshry:yes oh my god wait literally yes yeah that conversation was actually like it did actually less than nothing and i found it to be very negative some of the goodwill it negated it was very much like loser-y behavior the way that they were talking like and giggling over mimosas and miha coming on the show actually made me think of the situation like in a worse way for me like up until the reunion i thought like okay he has a secret girlfriend she thinks that she's his girlfriend and like you know she's a heartbroken whatever and then listening to her talk on the couch how she like willingly was a doormat and like doesn't ask for anything and just of course he's gonna walk all over you you laid on the ground like a doormat yeah it was not a good moment for women if I'm being honest like and even her sitting there like she's clearly hung up on

25:39Jackie Oshry:him like he's like I mean we she's she's like I mean and he and I we have to talk mostly over the

25:43Claudia Oshry:phone now because of her like it was just corny as hell um the more we hear and see from me how like the more i think it like it starts like vindicate west like no no because let me tell

25:57Jackie Oshry:you why one we needed to hear from her because when they kept bringing her up i'm like who cares that he was like hooking up with this girl but the timeline the only thing we actually got a lot of timeline on during the reunion was the fact that he had a full-blown girlfriend the entire or summer like that's actually crazy it really speaks to his demonic character like that's insane like you're going on a single guy show you have a fucking girlfriend that you're keeping secret but also let us not forget she wasn't his girlfriend no no he keeps saying i let her think we were exclusive like sorry what's the difference between exclusive and having a girlfriend i hate that sort of semantics no but like he says and i i still need clarity on this

26:33Claudia Oshry:because he says like she thought we were exclusive and it's like well why did she just assume you're exclusive no i think because he told her and he just couldn't say what he was trying to say to

26:42Jackie Oshry:kyle is that he was cheating on her that's the word we're looking for she thought we were exclusive and like i was not good about that oh so you i was not good about that cheated like he couldn't say the word so yes you had a girlfriend you were exclusive with and you cheated on her like these words are not being said he's so manipulative with like his confusing language well because

27:00Claudia Oshry:he never used those words when he was with her he never he probably never said exclusive he probably that day was like I'm not you know with seeing other people because like that day he hadn't seen another person but like yeah you know he just so at the time he probably never said like we are in an exclusive relationship I've never said relationship never said girlfriend and so he thinks that those things like make him a good guy when he goes out and cheats on her but no it's like it's not even about the cheating you're a bad guy because you won't have that conversation with her

27:28Jackie Oshry:and so he's wrong for all of that but like there needs to be just like a small conversation had about the woman who willingly was like kept in the dark, setting up furniture for the man who went on the TV show pretending he didn't have a girlfriend. Meanwhile, they do a montage of all the pictures. Not one of those pictures is outside of a bed. He won't even take you outside. He won't even take you to see the sun. Like that's insane. So it's like, we're supposed to be standing this queen and it's like, Sierra, get away from her. Like it was such a bad look for everyone. And I just thought it was so beneath Sierra.

27:57Jackie Oshry:Like Sierra is so elevated now. And the whole thing is like, you're so hung up on this guy, Sierra, and he's a loser and you're better than him. you're prettier than him you're smarter than him and it's like here she is still being like giddy over like oh he's taking him down and like talking trash about him go to fiji like you're a star now

28:11Claudia Oshry:get out of here yeah no it was bad i like the episode got worse as the conversations went on it was bad and i really like the less we hear about the situation the more we can imagine like how bad it was and then also when when he cheated on miha with amanda like to me that just again like proves the feelings that he had for amanda he was he wouldn't get serious with me because i don't think he like liked me when he said to to kyle and finally a fucking honest moment when he was like she asked me to go home with her for christmas and i said i don't think that we're there yet but you know that's me trying to say like i don't like you enough to do those things and he won't actually say that but you'll string girls along and that's why he's a dick because he'll take everything from them without giving them anything and without even giving them like the full honesty and just letting them there are girls who accept that right there are girls who accept that and letting them wonder so that's clearly what was happening between the two of them it's not like he was so worried about filming or he just didn't like her enough to become truly official because there's no reason he couldn't have brought a girlfriend to the house

29:08Jackie Oshry:why couldn't she go to the house be a new castmate especially when ben halfway through the season

29:12Claudia Oshry:brought a girlfriend he could have been like oh i'm allowed to do that great and done it me too yeah but no then then amanda becomes single girl then amanda becomes single and he goes and cheats on Miha with her because he likes her more and now he's staying with her.

29:26Jackie Oshry:Right. And so this is like the first time as far as we know that he's acknowledged someone like publicly as his relationship. And as far as we know, hasn't cheated on her.

29:38Claudia Oshry:I think we would know if he cheated on her. As far as we know, hasn't cheated on her since the statement. Because people will be like, he cheated on you in March. And I think March was very fuzzy for them. Since the statement, I think it's been the two of them. And I think if he cheated on her, the world would know. because like seriously everyone is all eyes on them.

29:54Jackie Oshry:And so yes, coming on the heels of like him being fired, it's like, well, yeah, he's the pot star, but he gives nothing. Amanda finally gave something last night. And you know what? I was like, you know what? I kind of want to see her on In the City. And call me crazy, but she looked better. She looked a little bit lighter and happier. And like she, it was just, it wasn't as sad to see her, like someone so depressed. So I feel like there's a future for her. But if she's with him, I don't know how.

30:23Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

30:25Jackie Oshry:They should have had Hannah Burner. Like, that's seriously the best call.

30:28Claudia Oshry:Yeah, because that conversation, I feel like Sierra's, like, you know, the main... Star. Like, victim in this whole situation. Even, I know people, also Kyle, and I agree, Kyle. Because it's the best friend. But, like, really, it's about, like, Sierra, who is, like, so betrayed and so hurt and such a good fucking friend to Amanda.

30:45Jackie Oshry:Because Sierra doesn't have one allegation against her. She was never a bad friend, never a bad girlfriend.

30:49Claudia Oshry:Never a bad partner. she gave everything to us she gave everything to Amanda she gave everything to the show like

30:53Jackie Oshry:yeah Kyle is borderline abusive to his wife so now coming here and being like I care about Amanda

30:57Claudia Oshry:it's like why do you care about her for 10 years enough to stop yelling at her right and so for Sierra's conversation to be so low yeah and like not empowering not uplifting I think she would have been better off not in it yeah I I thought it was just it was weenie the whole thing the whole thing was weenie and it was surprising give the vibe that she's hung up on him and also we could have had sierra and mia yeah sure love mia yeah like anyone else and do you think miha is gonna be on the show now i really hope not like is that the show we're getting probably

31:35Jackie Oshry:like why would she's just like everyone else like

31:38Claudia Oshry:yeah and she they're bringing her into the show like she's mic'd up and everything

31:43Jackie Oshry:she got a large chunk at the reunion yeah i hope not yeah like she's there to like she shows that

31:53Claudia Oshry:like wes is not who he said he was he lied to the audience for a long time but like as far as like

31:57Jackie Oshry:her and i just want to say that's a worthwhile role it really speaks to we thought he was just like a fuck boy no that's like an actual bad person like that her role is important for that

32:10Claudia Oshry:but like okay thank you yeah they are using her though also to like sort of drive a wedge between like west and amanda and i'm like no no no no like the day amanda like looked at him and was like

32:21Jackie Oshry:okay like he ran he ran yeah it's true so so yeah i'm glad to know like west is even worse than we

32:29Claudia Oshry:thought he was it's true i i had a moment watching him sit on the couch and i i think it really sunk

32:35Jackie Oshry:in for me like it's you know what it really is it's the smallest man who ever lived where it's Like you should literally be in jail. Like the shit you do is so like legit evil.

32:43Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but you won't serve time.

32:46Jackie Oshry:You'll slide into inboxes and slip through the vines, bars, whatever the word is.

32:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, that conversation was infuriating to watch. I don't know how all these girls can be in a relationship with him and he can't speak. True.

33:00Jackie Oshry:So I don't know what further clarity we will get because the big question is like Amanda felt this way, but is very much in a full committed relationship with him.

33:09Claudia Oshry:we need another episode just like dropping combos they need a podcast they should all go on carl's well you see lindsey went on carl's i did i watched a bunch of like long form clips this morning i ship like a ship carl wasn't in the episode no neither was jesse they're both like ancillary characters it was kind of core members only plus me huh yeah no but like jesse well jesse and west

33:35Jackie Oshry:I think are like fully on the outs. Cause you know, he released his timeline last week. Like, I don't think that they're.

33:40Claudia Oshry:Yeah, of course. No, as Jesse should be like, I think also one, he was lied to by his best friend. And then he's realizing like his best friend's like not.

33:48Jackie Oshry:Like a crazy demonic liar.

33:50Claudia Oshry:The person he thought he was. I think he knew he was like a fuck boy, like whatever, but like. Of course, but so is Jesse. Not a man of integrity.

33:56Jackie Oshry:No. And I think when we think of fuck boy, like it's a very like light term. It's, you know, somebody who hooks up a lot and is like noncommittal. This is so not that. That's what Jesse is. he hooks up a lot and he's non-competal west is a demon yeah yeah um okay now the long-awaited

34:14Claudia Oshry:bunny xo yes exactly i'm it's number two bunny xo and jelly roll are getting divorced jelly roll filed for divorce from bunny xo after nearly 10 years of marriage citing irreconcilable differences a source tells people magazine that the two still love each other but are no longer on the same page and I want to say I understand why people are freaking out about this okay please share so

34:40Jackie Oshry:first of all their origin story is insane like long before they were famous he was like a homeless convict I want to say drug addict right yeah she was a Vegas she's a sex worker yes thank you I put it people per people magazine i'm reading about their backstory they met she like really helped him get his life together she helped him get custody of his daughter she raised his daughter they are so in love and yes he ended up becoming a major star losing a lot of weight she's a major star too she has a huge podcast she has a huge podcast she really loved him like because it's easy to love someone who's rich and famous right but like no but she was there he was on the balls of his ass she helped him get his first one bedroom apartment she was paying the rent like she loved this guy like really loved they have this whirlwind romance this fairy tale like literally overnight he is a star money like that you can't even imagine so so famous divorce like it's it actually is shocking especially because their content her podcast his Instagram, his music is like all about their love.

35:55Jackie Oshry:They're very affectionate. They go to music awards, PDA.

35:58Claudia Oshry:Like this is just one of the last people I thought would get divorced. Also, we had discussed like a few months ago that at some point in their relationship, like he cheated on her and she forgave him. And that's also a big part of their story. So it's like, what can't they survive? Like what actually finally came between them when they've been through the hardest things? They do have like a pretty like big, passionate constituency of haters.

36:22Jackie Oshry:and there are a lot of theories about them like that they that no but like people who make like long-form content like a documentary about them people are obsessed with them I'm not entirely sure what the drama is there's like drama with their mega church I don't know so if you want to go down that rabbit hole I'm sure you could find like some people saying what the reasons are I don't know I am shocked like genuinely surprised yeah I haven't seen anything as far as reasons his daughter spoke out um what did she say like literally buddy is like her mother she said oh

36:51Claudia Oshry:one more thing i'm disgusted at how invested everyone is in a very clearly private family matter it's fucking crazy go on somewhere y 'all worry about your house not mine i'm not speaking

37:01Jackie Oshry:on it yet she's speaking to those constituency of haters mind you oh oh okay because i'm like well

37:06Claudia Oshry:i think it's natural that we're all a little not talking about us curious you know it's it's a ship i think for a lot of people that was a huge ship because i i and i more so know that from all the comments yesterday i was shocked that people were like so shocked that we didn't talk about it yesterday when it broke yesterday morning and yeah i already had six stories i'm not gonna lie

37:26Jackie Oshry:that wasn't even the sixth one yeah i think that it's even if you're not like a big jelly roll or

37:32Claudia Oshry:i chose a story once that jelly roll is running a 5k but then i didn't choose the story that jelly roll is getting divorced from his loving wife in 10 years when you chose the 5k story it was a friday

37:44Jackie Oshry:and it was like a dark time. Like there was not a lot going on. So in your defense, but listen, we're talking about it now. Yeah,

37:50Claudia Oshry:no, no, but I guess, I guess that's kind of crazy, but you know, there was just a lot going on. And I had no idea that they, these two like had so much. Yes. They have a lot of love and support too. Like, I mean, I don't think the people were commenting yesterday, wanting to hear us talk about it. We're part of the haters at all.

38:07Jackie Oshry:No, no, it's just, I think it's like, they're like, they're John Krasinski and Emily Blunt, you know? Yeah. it's the sheer surprise. Like I think that is what is catching people off guard because like, I'm sure it was just last week that, you know, she's posting on her Instagram.

38:21Claudia Oshry:Like usually you can sniff these things out. People stop posting one another. There was none of that. They listed the date of separation is May 9th on the divorce filing.

38:31Jackie Oshry:I'm so curious. And you know, she has a big podcast. They share a lot, like parts of yourself that you would like never share. And they're very much open books. I mean, he talks about his time in prison. He did armed robbery. he was a drug addict she was a sex worker like these are people who who share um so i'm sure we will find out and he filed yeah yeah curious and people are always because if you look at them she's like sort of this like va va voom blonde bombshell and up until recently he was this sort of you know you know and so people are always like she's with him for the money and it's like girl she used to pay his rent like this was a true love it really was so how did we get here i have no idea yeah true love's dead yeah it was true love's kiss yeah well we'll keep you posted

39:23Claudia Oshry:yeah if anything further emerges are you ready for our next story taylor swift leaves a music studio with haim sisters after an all-night recording session um taylor swift was spotted at a new york city music studio electric electric lady studios didn't

39:40Jackie Oshry:someone get married there how do you get married at a studio yes so that's what it's not confirmed if she was there you know because she got there at like 6 p.m she left at 5 in the morning so everyone's like oh my god she wrote a whole album yeah and we're all excited about the musical elements of it and like taylor haters are saying that like she saw the pictures of joe alwyn and

40:00Claudia Oshry:that's our next story where our our double story carolyn beset the actress sarah pigeon was spotted

40:07Jackie Oshry:with joe alwyn like two or three times and there's paparazzi pictures and them kissing so he hasn't new lady yeah and she's like kind of the it girl so people think that like taylor's pissed

40:14Claudia Oshry:and she went to the studio when i tell you i actually worse than okay he's allowed to have a new girlfriend but like he's doing all the things with sarah that he would never do with

40:21Jackie Oshry:taylor oh that's true actually that is song worthy yeah but if i just want to say like it

40:28Claudia Oshry:can be called like i thought you said and it's like oh i like that all the things yeah double standard double standard except that like unfortunately but not with me oh I like that

40:42Jackie Oshry:actually unfortunately for Joe Alwyn like his relationship the longest of Taylor's entire dating history like seemed to have had like the least impact on her musically like we got tortured poets and we were like oh Joe Alwyn literally there was one song about him and it was nice like he's not really a thought for her sadly um like her you know situationship maddie healy was more inspiring than joe alwyn was musically i actually think that while the timing yeah maybe seems that way like unfortunately for joe like she really doesn't care yeah i think also with like i'm sure

41:18Claudia Oshry:part of her is like happy with maddie there's no but not with me not that's she's gonna let it rip because i understand like go have a new girlfriend that's fine i'm getting married but you're doing all the things that you said that you would do but not with me except what is he doing like walking down the street kissing hands around each other when they were kissing it was like in a bar

41:39Jackie Oshry:or a restaurant so like the paparazzi picture was like photographing them from the outside

41:44Claudia Oshry:claudia in six years of a relationship we never got these photos that we got in three days yeah

41:48Jackie Oshry:because like he can't go anywhere with taylor i'm sure he thought they're in brooklyn like i'm sure she walks down the street taylor no she doesn't she could like she with you know a team around

41:57Claudia Oshry:him behind her she does not walk down the street she goes from the car to the curb right but like

42:01Jackie Oshry:she walks there but he wouldn't even walk to the curb with her well he wouldn't walk to the curb with her that's true but like these were like photographed moments i genuinely think that these photos are like we're taken completely without consent like i don't think he knew the paparazzi was there of course like with taylor there's you can't ignore it's like hordes of people not saying that he's right he was so wrong for that like and he made her life so miserable like the difference in her now versus her then like her music seriously some of the music is so fucking depressing it's like girl you're a billionaire and you're a skinny and blonde like why are you upset go have fun now the music reflects like the skinny billionaire blonde that she is yeah so yeah he was like life ruining in a lot of ways i'm certainly not taking his side but this is not the same as dating taylor which is not i just and i don't think i'm sorry i'm sorry because even

42:50Claudia Oshry:dating taylor look at travis and taylor look at everything we get about them and they're big they're larger than life and we get moments from them all the time and they don't care but joe all and care it was him so it was him doable even if okay they're not going to walk down the street to go grab a slice with taylor but like you can be spotted in your relationship with taylor travis and taylor do it all the time and they're having a great time and it's made her life so much better it's so funny we used to like argue and i would always like say like joe all in his like a sweetie

43:17Jackie Oshry:heart pants and you're like no he's not he's not he's the devil now i'm like he's the devil and you're like well well no no i think that like what he's i say if he has no haters i passed away i get my best to romeo like i hate him um but him going on a date and being photographed is not the same as like him not wanting to walk red carpets and like do things like with taylor you know taylor and travis do things that are not red carpets yeah of course because that's how it should have been yeah oh that's how it always should have been like even if he didn't want to do red carpets

43:46Claudia Oshry:like timothy and kylie don't do red carpets and get timothy and kylie all's that to say i actually

43:50Jackie Oshry:don't think she went to the studio like having anything to do with Sarah Pidgeon like I think that either a there was an event of some sorts because they have a lot of parties at Electric Lady the same way she like goes to Zero Bond staying out till 5 a.m. is like not something Taylor does party wise it's probably something she does like I was up in the studio writing music all night not like I was out drinking all night so hopefully and also her outfit she was wearing jeans she looked really cute it was very midnight's coded it's more of an outfit you write music in And then like partying. I agree.

44:17Claudia Oshry:The Hame sisters are also wearing jeans, flats and sweaters. And she's wearing jeans and like a collared sweater. So yeah, I don't think it was a party. Because if it was, she wouldn't have been out so late. Especially like weeks before the wedding. Right. But I think like maybe the inspiration took over. And she's writing bops. Maybe about. A wedding album. Maybe. Or like she is writing but not with me. Or she's writing her love songs for Travis.

44:42Jackie Oshry:I really refuse to believe Like she's being taken out of her bridal bubble To write a song about Joe Alwyn for real She's had two boyfriends since him Like dead ass

44:51Claudia Oshry:But every feeling she has Since she's a girl Like she gets down on paper And like

44:57Jackie Oshry:No I'm saying I don't even think she has those feelings I think I think she can She's getting married her whole life This is like the most romantic Whimsical fairy tale obsessed girl I'm telling you She's not thinking about Joe Alwyn right now She's writing like a she might be like writing an original song for her wedding like much like jesse james decker oh an original song for her wedding who do you think's gonna perform at her wedding ed sheeran oh i didn't think about it like do you think she'll have someone sing her down the aisle

45:26Claudia Oshry:like stevie nicks for sure no i don't know we talked about this the other week like performers just don't do it for me i know but like if you're taylor swift you have like a

45:35Jackie Oshry:regular old wedding band yeah there's nothing more fun than that i agree and there's so many good ones manhattan has like the best bands if i'm taylor swift i could have anyone perform at my wedding and think of who she's like friends with well i guess i would want like whatever my first

45:51Claudia Oshry:song is gonna be i would want that live so well i guess also we have to consider travis's taste in music too i think maybe we'll have a morgan wallen performance whatever they're like what do you think their first song is and then have the person who sings it come sing it yeah that's

46:08Jackie Oshry:I think it could be Ed Sheeran dead ass like perfect she's so corny like that but then I'd

46:12Claudia Oshry:also have Bruno Mars for sure to get the party started yeah I would actually having like um

46:18Jackie Oshry:Bon Jovi come yeah and do like the after party no I would have my wedding band be like Bruno Mars

46:22Claudia Oshry:and the hooligans and I'd say like I'm sorry Bruno but you are working for five hours straight

46:26Jackie Oshry:yes I will pay your fee of 100 million dollars I will free you from the shackles of MGM's casinos

46:31Claudia Oshry:Because that would be the most amazing wedding band because every wedding band is trying to be like them.

46:35Jackie Oshry:But also we have to look back historically. Taylor has, as far as I know, like not one relationship, association, memory, photo. You have to think of who she's friends with and who she would ask.

46:49Claudia Oshry:No, I know, but that's what kind of makes it better. I'm just hiring you. You would never have been invited. I suppose like Ed Sheeran has to take a break from drinking to go and perform. You know how difficult that was when you performed at my wedding. It's true.

47:01Jackie Oshry:I also think like a lot of people will just like get up and sing people who weren't like contracted to perform.

47:07Claudia Oshry:Yeah. That was like my wedding.

47:09Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Everyone just picked up the mic.

47:11Claudia Oshry:Everyone just picked up the mic.

47:12Jackie Oshry:As we fucking should. Like when you have so many performers, like that's what we do.

47:17Claudia Oshry:Yeah.

47:17Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Well, that's totally what it's going to be.

47:20Claudia Oshry:Like hopefully it's new music and hopefully the Heim sisters were just like, they're watching and not contributing or collaborating or getting in any meaningful way. Because like I really don't like when they make songs together. They're my least favorite songs. Like what was that one? That like fake murder song?

47:37Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I actually like that one. But then she also did a song for them called like Gas. Gaslight or something. It's not my favorite. Not for me. Not for me.

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53:43Claudia Oshry:Our next story, Ballerina Farm is happy with her choices, reports Vulture. So Vulture sat down with Ballerina Farm at the Farm of Ballerina and conducted a wide-ranging interview with her. Of course, they touched on yesteryear, you know, the culture, the tradwifery, and what the reen is up to.

54:05Jackie Oshry:like all the hoopla around like the trad wife conversation which really starts and ends with ballerina um i'm surprised she did press because i feel like she was so burned by that moronic sunday times interview that like she doesn't need press her company's successful like why do press i don't know um i don't know either this one was a q a format and i thought a lot of the questions were really dumb i think that we put so she just basically said like this is what i do I like to farm I like to have babies none of this is like performative yes we made a business out of it um yes maybe some people think it's a lot of kids but like none of this is for any other reason than the fact that like it's what I want to do the fact that it ignites these conversations about parental leave and it's really not her fucking problem but what should the government do about parental leave so we're asking her those questions and it's like objection relevance like no it's

54:58Claudia Oshry:not that it's irrelevant it's like why is it on her no i i really don't know people are obsessed

55:05Jackie Oshry:with her they put so much emphasis and meaning about feminism and culture and motherhood like counter culture on her they put even guest your year was obviously about her like people they put it all on her and it's like she's just a girl like that's literally what the interview was like

55:23Claudia Oshry:I'm just a girl doing what I like. No, what I don't understand is like, what's the big deal? What's the big deal? I mean, I understand why I love Ballerina Farm. I think her content's amazing. I think she's so inspiring. Like she's literally superwoman and she's better than all of us. And like, we can only aspire to, and I know she only like puts out the best bits and bobs, but still like you're running like a huge business. You have nine children, you're homeschooling them. Like you are doing the most. So I think that's amazing. But like, what's the big fucking deal with everyone else just being, is it trad wife?

55:53Claudia Oshry:we're not like yeah i want to think for women is she setting women back she's a fucking business owner and a huge one at that like she i don't get the big deal like what is she doing that is so offensive to people other than like enjoying and living and loving her life and her family the even the title ballerina farm is happy with her choices was that a question it's so condescending was that a why would she not be happy with her choices it's like she has children She obviously loves it so much she had nine of them. That's not someone who's unhappy with her choice to be a mother. Yeah, I think for a while the opposition was saying, like, she's unhappy.

56:34Jackie Oshry:She was forced into this life. Her husband stalked her. He makes her have children. Like, there was a lot of that, and that's what I think what the fallout was from that original Sunday Times article. And so now this article is meant to, like, be clarifying that, like, no, no, she's very much in control. And, okay, good. I think a lot of her detractors say that like she sets women back because she's very domestic and that her domesticity has turned into a business. So it's like she's encouraging other women to be domestic and like, you know, sort of defer to their man for the more traditional roles while she herself is quite traditional.

57:06Jackie Oshry:It's like she's not saying any of this. You're all interpreting it in a way that is convenient for the argument that you're making. When her what she said, she's like, I'm literally just over here doing my thing. Like I'm literally you interpreting it to mean this and you that's really more of a reflection on you.

57:20Claudia Oshry:I think the only reason why she's bad for women is because she makes the rest of us look bad. No, no.

57:26Jackie Oshry:We're not doing enough because we could be doing to have like a valid criticism of her. Like for me, because I'm not like inspired by anything she does. She doesn't like I mean, it's obviously inspirational, but like she doesn't make me want to dress like her, eat like her, cook like her, live like her. It's fun to watch. it really is like it's very interesting for me to watch i think that one could say um

57:50Claudia Oshry:she sets a high standard yeah which is not a bad thing we're saying the same thing the bar is high she shows the world what a woman is capable of and so those of us who are not doing all that are yeah i think a lot of the time like obsessed with like like sort of catching her and like well what can't you do and then she has to be like well i don't like doing laundry and i'm actually like not that tidy it's like why do we have to know her weaknesses like why can't we just like support her strengths and like think that's awesome like no we have to know that the hish has dishes in the sink like I don't need to know that I figure she has dishes in the sink I think this

58:22Jackie Oshry:is not just about ballerina friend but like just in general when we comment on other mostly women's life lifestyle culture like it's more often than not a reflection on the person who's commenting Like for me, like I'm very secure in my life. Like I know I'm a good wife. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a good business owner. Like I don't need to look to influencers or content creators to make me feel good or bad about it. And I think as a culture, so much of our like issues where we like disagree on stuff is because like we're looking to celebrities, influencers, like to be role models and to help us feel good about our own lives.

58:56Jackie Oshry:And it's like we wouldn't be having these conversations if everybody was just like happy with where they're at.

59:00Claudia Oshry:People aren't. So they blame it on ballerina farm. And this idea that like, if you share your life and the highlights of it, because I don't want to see your dishes in the sink. Like genuinely when I watch comfort creators and they like go about their morning and they start unloading the dishwasher every single time I turn it off. I don't want to see you unloading your dishwasher. I don't. That's funny. I don't want to see the dishes. I disagree. I like.

59:23Jackie Oshry:Don't just show me the dishes. If you're going to do them, that makes me feel good. It's like, I feel like I did the dishes. I like seeing people like complete tasks.

59:29Claudia Oshry:I like to complete tasks. I don't want to see you doing your dishes. That is not. I like when Emily Kaiser does it.

59:37Jackie Oshry:When she like loads and unloads, I like it.

59:39Claudia Oshry:Oh, make it quick. I want to see it like a snap. She does. Do it like a snap. But don't lose me in the dishwasher. But it's like this idea that because you share your life, you obviously shared all the good parts. It's like, well, we're all entitled to know the other parts. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is social media. That's not how that works. I'm showing you the best and the pargiest. I don't owe you anything. I don't owe you seeing the things that I didn't do or the things that I outsource. Just look at what I'm showing you. Like it's so weird that people feel like, oh, well, you have to show us all of this ugly stuff.

1:00:10Jackie Oshry:Well, I think that goes back to like those people being insecure so it would make them feel better to know that she had someone do her dishes. And it's like when you're outsourcing your like self-assuredness to an influencer, like that the problem is not the influencer the problem is you yeah that's how i feel also about like beauty standards like it's how i feel about like so much internet culture actually like when we have these big conversations that it's always like we're blaming women for not showing enough and sharing too much and getting plastic surgery or not getting plastic surgery well it's like well if you were just happy with yourself like you wouldn't have a problem with what chloe kardashian is doing no so let's focus on self-love actually i think that's like what we should all be writing

1:00:49Claudia Oshry:articles about yeah so i think like everyone is really out of control i guess this book yesterday or is really resurgence of the ballerina conversation and the book is insane the book is insane if you guys want to hear about the book and how insane it is like listen to the redheads because you don't have to read if you're not going to read the book like just listen to the episode you'll understand like the plot of the book is insane the main character who's based on ballerina is the most insane individual that you've ever like an actual crazy psychopath

1:01:18Jackie Oshry:child abusing psychopath what's so upsetting to people about ballerina farm is like she really walks the walk and talks the talk like you go she doesn't have a tv she doesn't like if you went to her house and she did she let that reporter into her house like secret lives and you are really

1:01:34Claudia Oshry:like dominating pop culture right now like what do you think she doesn't even know what pop culture is like she's like i don't watch tv so i'm not really the one to ask about pop culture so that's

1:01:43Jackie Oshry:the frustrating part i think people are really looking for gotcha look she has a a media room like let me tell you if she did I wouldn't care yeah but that's because you have are happy in

1:01:54Claudia Oshry:your own life I know I know and I'm like sad to mind I just like there's nothing like she makes nice content she makes actually great products she's helping people get nice food showing them how to present to their families I have her starter my starter and I just want to say I

1:02:11Jackie Oshry:have none of her products and I've like I and I get them in PR and I give them away like I'm not her target consumer i just don't care like normalize like just looking at look like i know when you're like an internet person like you're the job is to like get people to comment but like seriously people get so deranged when it comes to her and it's because she's the real deal

1:02:32Claudia Oshry:yeah but even if she wasn't even if what she's showing us is just what she's showing us and there's all this other shit behind the scenes i don't care yeah but also like i i do believe but not that it would matter i do believe that like that's who she is she's puts up the phone in films of course she like edits in and puts on nice lighting and then leaves her dishes for

1:02:51Jackie Oshry:someone else to clean up like duh she has nine kids yes normalize using discernment on social media and not like you know demanding the most highest level of transparency why don't you just

1:03:02Claudia Oshry:use your fucking brain yeah yeah i'm shocked that she sat for another article this one was obviously like a little bit friendlier and just sort of lower stakes let her speak her mind um but i i was i wonder why she did it like what she needs out of it and like yeah why she would do it again after being burned so bad even if she needed something from the media like why would you go back yeah i don't know are you ready for our fifth and final social violent tv recap yes lausa season 8 episode 13 recoupling shakes the villa yes it did um and i wanted to shake the

1:03:40Jackie Oshry:villa every like i knew it was half first of all the pace of that fucking recoupling ceremony where every person had to read their letter not only that after the letter ariana how does that make you feel how do you feel reading that corbin like it was it was half the episode was so fucking slow and i was like wanting to zoom through people's reading but i don't know if it was going to be important like it was 40 it was so long I didn't fast forward through the readings but like it was I only needed the last three couples of course and some of them like I did

1:04:10Claudia Oshry:want to hear what they had to say to each other like I did want to hear what Zach had to say to Kada because I feel like sometimes they edit him and he is he's bad news bad but sometimes I feel like he also gets an edit where they're trying to like create tension between them so I'm like what in his own words does he say to her and honestly I don't even remember so the first two

1:04:30Jackie Oshry:and the first two couples were uh Trinity and Bryce I am obsessed with but Trinity is a part of like the mean girl group and it's like it's it's like kind of one of her flaws I need her to jump ship um and Gabriel and Jen I love them I know I'm not supposed to I love them so much they're like it's literally the definition of matching someone's freak like they are perfect for one another and their letters were like actually cute the whole portuguese thing obsessed they were so

1:05:00Claudia Oshry:cute there's very obsessed with each other i think that kata was shook that her and zach didn't read their letters first because it goes in order of like the most obvious answer because at the end we'll get the drama so why wouldn't zach and kata go first they just came from the hideaway i think that like shook her a little bit that there was i need something to shake her she's

1:05:17Jackie Oshry:pissing me off what happened to the girl who came in she was like so cutting in the beginning like she was like very stoic what happened to her she's like giddy as hell she doesn't even realize that the guy across from her doesn't like her doesn't like her as much as she likes him no and i think he's liking her he's like the definition of like like literally having sex with somebody and losing interest like he could not be more stereotypical fuck boy and she doesn't even see it happening

1:05:40Claudia Oshry:right before her eyes yeah i need bombshells immediately like of course for caleb of course for soul i hope soul and caleb like fall in love well guys just just to like make sure we all voted

1:05:50Jackie Oshry:for caleb and soul as our favorite couple right like i told you you had to people who have not said one word to each other i told you you have to we all voted for caleb and soul who did right

1:06:03Claudia Oshry:right please tell me we all voted for caleb and soul who is like the streets voting for I don't know by the way we all voted for Caleb and soul you guys because like none of you actually voted for a couple they all stink because actually Jen and Gabriel are cute but oh sorry I would have also voted for people don't like them because they are freaky they're difficult to understand I get it like I might not understand it here's one he voted for so like and that has like 9 ,000 likes

1:06:37Jackie Oshry:yeah of course like we and i just i need some i think these people in the villa have no idea how poorly they're being received so they keep acting like how they think they should and i need them to find out like we don't like them yes the thing is i like i wanted to like slap kenzie because it's like girl caleb but you i can't be mad at her for how she feels like she hasn't done anything that crazy and i obviously like should have been honest about the kiss with corbin whatever whatever

1:07:01Claudia Oshry:she got away for not liking who i wanted her to i want to see what happens next with her and corbin like if the feelings are true and deep or they're just gonna like have sex and then like move on from each other because I do think they're just horny for each other but I am going to yeah she made a choice I'm glad she had to make a choice because it was getting really annoying like her crying over the two of them when both of them just like like her and it was time for a recoupling yeah and I'm glad like everybody had agency because it's like Corbin who do you choose if given the choice but if only Kenzie had to choose we wouldn't know I'm glad that everybody had agency to do what they wanted same with Melanie same with sincere hold them accountable of course they were always going back to each other like seriously fuck sincere so yeah it's clear now

1:07:43Jackie Oshry:that like soul was very much just a pawn in the toxic cycle of sincere and Melanie like they were always going to choose each other they needed these ancillary characters like Corbin but it was very inconvenient because Corbin wasn't into Melanie soul wasn't too sincere so she was like an effective pawn like they are so toxic they are awful they are bad and soul was just sort of collateral and it was it was genuinely heartbreaking to watch but she said i saw it coming like

1:08:09Claudia Oshry:yeah i'm glad she saw it oh she's so smart woman's intuition yeah i fucking love her she looked so good too i love her yeah and when she saw like melanie whispering to kata pinky promise so

1:08:22Jackie Oshry:stupid mean girl mean girl and now I feel bad because like the other side um is sorry no soul didn't go home I thought she was going home and I was like oh it's only gonna be she's like not in a strong couple but I do hope everyone voted for her they need to send in a Jalen for soul they need to send in someone for Caleb too like what a man elevator no and also just like

1:08:45Claudia Oshry:so tunnel vision mature mature he got his heart broken he really like liked this girl and he's operating like jaylen he came in for kenzie he did not turn his head maybe now like they can send someone honestly give them a chance he sounds like he'd be a good match with anaya

1:09:04Jackie Oshry:i don't know if they've said one word oh have you seen this joke on on twitter where it's like

1:09:09Claudia Oshry:someone saw in the background of a random scene that the two of them were talking to each other and they're like these two know each other yeah no it's like they're on different shows first of all yeah but wait i ship yeah no there's like people i think now production will start to show more okay of them also production is telling the contestants what people are saying about them because they're making all these jokes about corbin being a robot rebooting people think

1:09:32Jackie Oshry:that zach specifically like got internet access because some islanders like from past seasons have said if you go to like certain parts of the villa like that a phone that they give you like we'll give you internet um and it's possible because zach is feeding in so it's either like yes the editors are cutting to more moments like that but he knows what to say yeah maybe or they're

1:09:51Claudia Oshry:telling them like oh people love your friendship with bryce play it up people think corbin's a robot play it up i think they're they're telling them sort of these jokes that are happening

1:10:00Jackie Oshry:when i thought that either caleb or soul were gonna get eliminated either one or the other or both like i was so devastated and i love how they wrapped it up just being like love love with you know honoring that producer who had passed away like I felt really good about it it was a nice way to end the recoupling and I hope that people come for Caleb and soul I really do yeah it was

1:10:18Claudia Oshry:and I also hope people come to destabilize some of these like fake couples who are staying together and playing it safe Anaya Casey Anaya Casey and also Zach and Kata to test Zach she's not fake but he needs to be tested he needs to be tested and she needs to see that he has a wandering eye

1:10:36Jackie Oshry:and at this point like sincere and melanie are so perfect for each other i just hope they can stop taking other people down with them they want to be toxic they sure whatever have fun leave soul

1:10:46Claudia Oshry:out of it no and i hope that we don't like have to hear so many of their conversations because it's like not they're not fun to watch i don't mind melanie was being corny as hell a sour patch

1:10:56Jackie Oshry:cake yeah it was like one big sour she was like literally putting on such an act she was just like

1:11:00Claudia Oshry:i was literally about to text you and and ariana's like a sour patch cake yeah no no and like she was putting on a full performance like yeah I just say go do I don't really want to hear from you guys about your relationship like Melanie and the girl she actually like gives to the villa in terms of like girl drama and whatnot um but like I don't want to hear you talk about your relationship

1:11:24Jackie Oshry:anymore I'm all set I wonder if now that the Corbin thing is settled if Kenzie would like become friends with Melanie again like she really left the OG villagers group and like started this new girl gang and i think it had to do with corbin right yeah i wish they would tell us more about

1:11:39Claudia Oshry:that like what's going on with the girls yeah no because it's really four and three yeah and now it was five and two because when kata and trinity sat down gabriel to ask him about jen it's like

1:11:53Jackie Oshry:you don't actually care because you haven't said one word to jen i don't think it was well intended and it's funny no one is having a better time on this show than miss jen she was a bombshell she got snatched up immediately by literally the hottest guy in the villa who is obsessed with her she's made best friends for life with like soul and kenzie and then soul's over there like having the time like literally the polar opposite the worst fucking time she had like two good days

1:12:15Claudia Oshry:she did it's better now it's better i think she's gotten adjusted but like i'm just like jen is having a blast i need soul and caleb to really try and fall in love and like what if the two of

1:12:23Jackie Oshry:them like stayed a couple and then stayed around you know so down i could see her eating him alive but I'm down. No, I think he's man enough. I don't know. That's sort of what Kenzie was saying without saying it. Like Corbin is very like alpha and I think that she was hoping a little bit more of that energy from Caleb but he's like soft-spoken and sweet and southern.

1:12:47Claudia Oshry:If she got that from Caleb, he'd start yelling at her that she's like throwing it in a circle for Corbin. Oh, wait. Like she doesn't actually want to be held accountable by Caleb because he's letting her do whatever she wants.

1:12:58Jackie Oshry:You texted me this and I was thinking it too. she was kind of being a know-it-all on last night's episode like correcting everyone about like random facts like i'm a nurse no like her personality got like got like bad relational i don't want to be so reductive like maybe she's on her period totally but she was wearing the tiniest little thong bathing suit with her thighs up in the air

1:13:19Claudia Oshry:she would never i know but like at some point they're gonna go on actually maybe not maybe they'll like skip a site maybe skip the pie the yeah right skip a period the blue pill of island it's only like one period you would have to miss and if you have long cycles and depending on when you got home it could be zero because like how are you running around like with your tushy out

1:13:35Jackie Oshry:and the tampon string and nobody wears full coverage bathing suits I guess that's like not a thing anymore that we wear bathing suits that like cover our butt cheeks it's butt cheeks out and that's like exactly where your string would hang and like god forbid any of them wears a pad oh and you're sleeping in a bed with a new partner and totally white sheets they're skipping their

1:13:52Claudia Oshry:periods 1000 percent yeah um but yeah her personality just like changed she was just like being like like tense no and it's like you don't know what white noise is she was being like a little condescending yeah and the 2030 2013 and who was right at the end of the day i think she was like 2030 is better than 2013 hold on we should ask corbin gbt yeah someone had just there Okay, CorbinGBT. What vision is better, question mark, 2030 or 2013? Imagine she's wrong.

1:14:33Claudia Oshry:2013 vision is better than 2020. 2030 vision is worse than 2020.

1:14:39Jackie Oshry:Oh my God, so Caleb was right.

1:14:42Claudia Oshry:He had 2013. 2013. Yeah, 2013 is greater than 2020, which is greater than 2030.

1:14:51Jackie Oshry:Okay, she needs to go back to nursing school.

1:14:56Jackie Oshry:Yeah, she was just like, maybe she didn't sleep good. She was like being a bitch to everyone. Yeah, she just like was trying to fight. Yeah, like about, like she was like searching for an argument and like no one was taking the bait.

1:15:08Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but you know what? I'm glad for like the villa reset. I think we will get. Yeah. oh we're gonna next is gonna be like least pop so what they're gonna do is you voted for your favorite couple so the three worst least favorite which that's not your least favorite couple because that's just it's a manipulative way that's just people who got the least amount of votes for most favorite but that doesn't make them least favorite so it's gonna be like zach and brett i mean trinity and bryce you know what i mean actually yeah they might be people's

1:15:34Jackie Oshry:favorite it was a good episode for them they were the first ones to do the letters um the letters were really sweet. I feel like they actually really, I was like a doubter, but I actually think they really like each other.

1:15:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah, I think so too. And is he getting better looking? Yes, because he's keeping like his hair back. His hair out of his face. By the way, everybody is getting better looking because in the beginning of the show, I thought I didn't really find like a lot of the cast that attractive. And now everyone's like looking really good.

1:15:59Jackie Oshry:I thought the same thing because Melanie looked insane last night and I'm like, well, you know what? Everyone looks good with the tan. Yeah.

1:16:06Claudia Oshry:Melanie was always very beautiful. Of course. I think Kenzie's gotten better looking. Me too. I think, yeah, everyone has stepped it up. So I think what will happen is the bottom two couples of villagers who got the least amount of votes, like they're going to have to eliminate a couple. Love. Like they'll have to turn on each other.

1:16:25Jackie Oshry:Did you think it was weird that Jen wore the same exact outfit that Kenzie had worn like the next day?

1:16:32Claudia Oshry:No, I didn't notice.

1:16:34Jackie Oshry:The necklace and the like boob cheetah print dress?

1:16:37Claudia Oshry:Oh, I didn't notice. No. I saw the necklace, but just because people were talking about the necklace, but I didn't notice the dress. I actually never, they all wear the clothes so differently.

1:16:44Jackie Oshry:And they all, at some point in the season, like start swapping outfits.

1:16:47Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but I really don't remember. They also, I like that the show, a lot of them have like very distinct personal style. And it's not just like they ordered everything from Revolve. From Revolve. And everyone's like wearing the same basic stuff. Like Trinity and the boots, like slet and the gloves.

1:17:01Jackie Oshry:How many suitcases did Trinity bring? She has like eight pairs of the biggest boots I've ever seen.

1:17:06Claudia Oshry:I remember Sierra last season too It's just like very interesting personal style And it's like not basic And it's just fun to watch

1:17:11Jackie Oshry:It's a fun element of the show

1:17:13Claudia Oshry:And they also all have like amazing bodies So it's like a cool fashion show

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