The Accidental Matriarch: Friday, January 30th, 2026

10:07Jackie Oshry:It's a big decision, feeding. It's such a big decision. I think about what I'm going to eat so thoroughly. I'm always thinking about what I'm going to eat. The amount of thought that goes into my own appetite, it's huge.

10:20Claudia Oshry:And it wouldn't make sense for us to do different formulas because we're always like sharing goods.

10:25Jackie Oshry:It would just be more convenient for me since I literally post about your house all the time. these days if you could just like be on my journey as well yeah but rue he's not picky no no if i switch he'd switch yeah oh a thousand percent that's what i'm saying like i could put anything

10:38Claudia Oshry:in his bottle yeah yeah because he's not a picky rue no um unlike his mama well today's episode he's like his father yes exactly in habits very advanced vacuum he'll try all formulas from all corners of the world yes vacuum um we have so much to do today we've got queenie and

10:54Jackie Oshry:We've got traitors. We actually can.

10:57Claudia Oshry:Dilly Dally, we have like two TV recaps. Queenie and Weenie. We're recording a Patreon after. It's like we have, let's get down

11:02Jackie Oshry:to business. The girls want homage. To defeat the Hun. Yeah, I know. But like, we're not defeating the Hun here at the Toast. Who do we defeat here every day? The patriarchy. I love that. Do we? I feel like we are the patriarchy.

11:16Claudia Oshry:Do you feel that? I feel like we're actually like low-key defeating the patriarchy while also trying to uphold it. Do you know what I mean? No. Like, we're pro-patriarchy in essence, right? Yeah, like I work. It's like a patriarchal society, you know?

11:32Jackie Oshry:I wouldn't say I'm like pro-patriarchy. I'm not going to lie. I don't like 100 % know what the patriarchy is. I know it's like men who built this country keeping those like woman-hating systems in place. And I do think there are like some of those like woman-hating systems are just low-key like better lives for women. Like I don't love, I love my job obviously, but like I would have loved also like not to have to work.

11:52Claudia Oshry:Right, that would be the patriarchy. Yeah. kept you in the home which yeah which i love my home so yeah i'm i'm sort of like teetering on i can't decide whether the patriarchy is bad so well i think like it gets a really bad rap but i think like when you i also think sometimes like internet wait sorry i think internet speak they confuse the

12:09Jackie Oshry:patriarchy with like government do you know what i mean a system of government in which the father

12:13Claudia Oshry:or eldest male is the head of the family and descent is traced through the male line that's literally like what we live in like right but yeah i guess because like yeah okay it's like we're pro patriarchy like where the father would be the head of the family sure yeah yeah however

12:26Jackie Oshry:like we're actually up like we just found ourselves like in a matriarchy in a matriarchal world like i didn't set out to be a matriarch yet here i'm such a matriarch i didn't set out to fuck the patriarchy yet here we are fucking it fucking the patriarchy yeah unintentionally you know that's what i'm saying yeah yeah that's really quite beautiful yeah so someone wants to fix that i I just think also I find like the word patriarchy, the way some people feel about moist, you know, I just feel like some people make the patriarchy like and fucking it like their whole personality. And I'm like, girl, go back to work.

13:01Jackie Oshry:Like I just I find like patriarchy verbiage like an Internet. Like I find it annoying. So I'm not I'm not with them.

13:08Claudia Oshry:No, it's it's taking on a meaning of its own. But like actually definition, it's just a government in which and it is a patriarchy. So it is the government. OK, I was wrong about that. Like a society in which the men are hold the power.

13:19Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I guess like we've quite literally never had a female president. Like that's really crazy.

13:23Claudia Oshry:Yeah, no, but also like think about your kids. They have your husband's last name. It's traced through the male line.

13:28Jackie Oshry:But here's the thing. Like if I had made like a really big stink, like I could have gotten Ruby's last name to be Asher. Like I could have fought my way. We've had this conversation. I think we had it with Ben on the toes. Yeah, we did when we were in the Hamptons. I mean, he was like not down. But if I like if I sat him down and I really worked on it, like I could have gotten it. I think it's nice. Like I have no problem with it not being my last name.

13:49Claudia Oshry:I actually think I have no like this is how it is now. But I do think like.

13:56Jackie Oshry:We're nearing the end of that. I think that will change in the next hundred years. Yeah. It doesn't it like to me doesn't make a ton of sense. Yeah. We have said this when we do Dear Toasters because a lot of girls write in being like, you know, it's hard to change your name and they feel conflicted. Sometimes someone's last name is like duty or whatever. And we always say it really shouldn't be a gendered issue. It's not like it's automatically the man or it's automatically the woman. And I think like some names, sorry, like are better than others. Sonically, some names have a lot of history.

14:24Jackie Oshry:I think there's a lot of factors that go into it. And the family should just decide. Yeah. Based on lots of different factors. You know, how does it look? Initials, like things of that, you know, some shallow, like, you know, I don't like that last name. Or, you know, or we had, you know, a famous uncle.

14:41Claudia Oshry:No, I think there should be like a reason. But it's like the woman carries the child. Like maternity. That's patriarchy. The body is established, you know, like it's.

14:51Jackie Oshry:Oh. Yeah. So if it has, you know, if I carry the baby and the baby has my last name, like who is this man? Yeah. But I do feel like that is classic patriarchy. Like we carry, we feed, we do everything and we don't even get the name.

15:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So that's like, I don't love that one. Me neither.

15:08Jackie Oshry:But I'll accept it.

15:10Claudia Oshry:You know, like it's been this way for hundreds of years. Like I don't necessarily think it should change now. I think that would be really confusing.

15:15Jackie Oshry:I think people who hate the patriarchy like want to just get rid of everything like since the dawn of time. And I do feel like connected to the woman of yore because we're still doing some of the same things. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

15:27Claudia Oshry:Like we're so matriarchical. Beyond. In our lives. I don't even think we realize. But it's like we didn't like choose.

15:34Jackie Oshry:We're just like the accidental matriarchs. That's the name of today's episode, of course. And also our memoirs. The accidental matriarch. Yeah. Please, I just, I love my job. I earn a great living. If I had it in my druthers, like, I would just be a kept woman. A 1 ,000. So, especially since I had a baby. I'm so tired. But I love my job, but I'm never going to quit.

15:56Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But it's, like, accidental. Like, here we are, like, you know, busting patriarch busters.

16:04Jackie Oshry:I wish there was a way to, like, find a TikTok that you saw this morning that, like, stuck with you. Do you know what I mean?

16:08Claudia Oshry:Oh, my God. And the ones that I save because I think they're going to stick with me, I never go back for. And the ones that stick with me, I didn't save.

16:15Jackie Oshry:Maybe if I liked it, I don't like stuff on TikTok. I just scroll. But if you like it, there's like a liked section. Let me see. Fuck no. It was this like video of this like 100 year old farmer being like why women should stay home. And it wasn't like stereotypical, like make me a sandwich. It was like women need to stay home so they can take bubble baths and live luxuriously and not get wrinkles. And it was like, yes, actually. And the comments were like, and the comments were like, and if that was my husband, I would want to make him a sandwich. I would want to keep a nice home. The sandwiches come naturally.

16:48Jackie Oshry:So the way that men talk about women staying home, it was all like for their own benefit. It's like, well, fuck off. I'm going to work. But if the men were like, I need my woman to stay home so she can be happy and healthy and thrive. Well, you know what? I would want to make the bed for you for when you get back, you know? So I just think maybe the way we talk to one another has a lot to do with it as well. I agree. Not be like, my woman stays home and she wipes my ass and she cleans my toilets and she makes me a sandwich.

17:14Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It's like, well, no. Why do you have that accent?

17:17Jackie Oshry:Because the guy in the video did. Like dead ass. He was a big ass farmer.

17:21Claudia Oshry:Well, I love that.

17:22Jackie Oshry:Deer farmer.

17:23Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Bring back deer farmer. Bring back sea farm. What happened to them? They were like one of our biggest sponsors. Kind of like. They were just like laying low, I guess. Yeah. But they sponsored deer toasters and we called it deer farmer. And that's just toasty lion. We should have changed it like. Permanently. Permanently. To the deer farmer segment. We should give it a toasty lion. Yeah. Let's get into the stories. Okay. Without further ado, it is time for the Fast Five Stories that you do need to know.

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20:08Claudia Oshry:home chef for sponsoring today's episode thank you koji our first story exes kendall jenner and devin booker are raising eyebrows with a flirty exchange over the super bowl ad so we talked about kendall's fanatics super bowl ad there's been like more rollout she went on jimmy kimmel and like facetime that was fallon she went on jimmy and she facetimed tom brady and they're like doing more schtick yeah super bowl and fanatics and tom brady like is a fanatics investor he's like a og yeah so then devin booker cop she said that she thought that the seahawks were going to win the super bowl she was like asked to like you know who's she gonna bet on whatever he commented on that he said i bet a million the seahawks get that ring before you do at kendall jenner with like the blushing very girly emoji like oh i know that one spirit fingers yeah that's Not like for a big man, but okay.

21:00Claudia Oshry:And then she wrote back at D book, rolling eyes emoji. How's the ankle? And he wrote back, come rub it. How did he spell come? Properly. Thank God for that. Thank God for that. So people were like, what in the what?

21:17Jackie Oshry:People were confused whether this was like a real comment that he left or like part of the campaign.

21:21Claudia Oshry:So it seems like it's part of the campaign because he also posted a story in support of Fanatics. So it seems like he's in the Fanatics family and they're like bantering and getting paid to banter. However, I don't think it's part of anyone's media and marketing strategy to say, come rub it. Yeah.

21:38Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Yeah.

21:40Claudia Oshry:I feel like his initial comment, like I bet a million that Seahawks get that ring. Was a little mean, by the way. Was mean, but also he's like betting. He's still like making about Fanatics. Yeah. And then they went rogue.

21:51Jackie Oshry:I just feel like he went off script. Her to rub his ankle. the thing is is not to be such a narc because i was loving this campaign and i still am but you know i get in trouble when i don't do like hashtag ad and stuff like that you know you can get sued by the ftc and i feel like us like guessing whether or not this is like a paid endorsement just does violate ftc regulations um his comments should have had to have said you know better than before you do at kendall jenner hashtag ad because it is confusing i just sorry to be an

22:21Claudia Oshry:arc yeah but i guess when you're the spokesperson for a company you can sometimes like post in support of them and it's not paid yes but we didn't know devon booker like no but he had something on his story like about fanatics okay chart or whatever like yeah um yeah also like i'm finding this whole campaign like less and less requires me to watch a video from jimmy of kendall facetiming tom raody i actually didn't watch it because i don't care yeah so like all the

22:47Jackie Oshry:positive like fun feelings that I had on Monday or whenever we talked about it like they are listening it was still a great commercial but like you know I don't know Kendall was being like you know nerd on Valid I'm just like I'm liking it less yeah it's just a lot to consume you know

23:03Claudia Oshry:I don't want to have to keep up I don't want to feel like I missed something yeah and I know we

23:07Jackie Oshry:were like waiting for a follow-up commercial perhaps on the actual day of the Super Bowl and

23:10Claudia Oshry:that I would have been fine and fun with it's like it felt like her spot on Jimmy was sponsored by fanatics. It's a lot to keep up with and I don't want to do that much keeping up at the moment.

23:19Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I've seen some other rollouts.

23:21Claudia Oshry:Make it easy for me.

23:22Jackie Oshry:I've seen some other rollouts and it pains me because I'm about to say something negative about Uber Eats, which is probably my most used application. But I feel like they often fall into the trope of just like throw money at it. Throw money, throw celebrities with really unmemorable commercials and they probably spend the most they're one of the brands that spends the most money every year on the Super Bowl and they've already started their rollout with Parker Posey it's just very topical, very White Lotus and it's just like it's a little old stated yes for sure I remember like they had like Ross and Rachel from Friends so they get like amazing celebrities but everything's so unmemorable I feel like they really like they need to do something different they're always just doing the same formula and I feel like it's not memorable they spend so much money they just like try and get the most famous person that they could possibly get and it's like okay yeah and there's so much you could do

24:02Claudia Oshry:it's not like a hard brand to advertise for

24:03Jackie Oshry:no and I love Uber Eats it's my favorite

24:06Claudia Oshry:well that's a fair criticism yeah

24:09Jackie Oshry:are you ready for our next story and the commercial was so corny it was like Like, well, it was like her being very, you know, Parker Posey. Like, football is like, okay, she doesn't talk like that. She was saying how football is like so food coded. You know, Jerry Rice. Yeah, and then I don't know the other players that she named, but they all had like food in there. And I was like, oh. Yummy. It was so like written by a third grader. Wow. Yeah. They need to hire the Fanatics writer who wrote that Kendall commercial. Yeah. The commercial is still great. The cheese stands alone. But like everything else I could live without.

24:38Jackie Oshry:What's the cheese stands alone? Ben is always saying it. I realized this morning that I literally titled our episode because I was running out the door.

24:46Claudia Oshry:So I couldn't really think of a title and you suggested it.

24:48Jackie Oshry:So I thought I just said that she stands alone is a phrase from the final verse of a children's nursery rhyme and game. Oh, the farmer in the Dell. The cheese stands alone. Yes. OK, I endorse. It's cute. That's why maybe I know it now more than ever. Maybe Ben's been singing it like in his nursery roundup, you know, roundup perhaps.

25:08Claudia Oshry:That's beautiful. Thanks. I thought it was going to be like something stupid from TikTok. That's actually really sweet. I endorse our title from the other day. You think so little of me, sweet sister. And once again, The Cheese Stands Alone.

25:19Jackie Oshry:Imagine if we made the title The Cheese Stands Alone again. The Cheese Stands Alone. Part two.

25:25Claudia Oshry:I'd be down if we didn't have the perfect title.

25:28Jackie Oshry:The Accidental Matriarch.

25:29Claudia Oshry:That would actually, The Accidental Matriarch is what this show should be called.

25:32Jackie Oshry:One thousand percent. If we ever rebrand, somebody write that down. Like that's the title.

25:37Claudia Oshry:But I also like it for a memoir.

25:39Jackie Oshry:Or it sounds like a book that gets turned into a movie. It sounds like a really great book. And then a multi-million dollar lawsuit. Oh, I saw TikTok today, so I was telling Jackie before. Oh, we can do this story next. Oh, okay. About Justin Baldoni. I feel like I've been doing a lot of research on Baldoni v. Lively, and I know people are over it. I mean, that's just not going to work for me because I feel like I've sort of fallen on the sword of Blake Lively. And up until recently, they've been sort of laying dormant. And I wasn't 100 % sure if I was right. And I was like, I'm going to stop talking about it because I feel like maybe I went too far.

26:08Jackie Oshry:and I would have had to backtrack. And I just want to say, like, prepare to be sick of me. I am now sure more than ever that I'm Team Blake Lively. I just want to say that. So a voicemail was unsealed

26:20Claudia Oshry:from Blake to Justin Maldoni before making it ends with us. In the voice message... And she's got some real nerve leaving like minutes long voicemail for a coworker. It's inappropriate. She is insufferable. Sent on February 8th, 2023. She spoke openly about feeling overwhelmed as she prepared to return to work while juggling back-to-back projects and newborn and family obligations. She said, I'm talking to you as a friend at this point more than anything. She explained that she was already committed to filming another project first, despite feeling physically and emotionally stretched thin. She said, the only reason that I'm doing that movie before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that.

26:52Claudia Oshry:But having a week off in between, it's just a lot. She described the stress of returning to work without adequate child care support. I still don't have a baby nurse, she said, adding that the idea of going back to work so soon felt overwhelming. Literally me on the mass hanger.

27:06Jackie Oshry:literally me today like literally like actually relatable i don't know why the fuck she's telling

27:11Claudia Oshry:this to her like soon to be boss yeah she said shooting in april shooting in march is just too soon after having a baby and not sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape is this is literally me you guys play about us i like that obviously she said there's selfish reasons i'm telling you this if by chance you're like oh my god if i could go two weeks earlier that would actually be great then amazing oh this is like kind of sad yeah wait what's cringe about this just like her voice

27:35Jackie Oshry:everything that she releases her text like she is just a corny millennial woman so she's like the way she speaks is very choogy and corny but the message is actually and then she said earnest

27:44Claudia Oshry:play she said this is my social interaction these days just talking into voice memos so like now this is like the the voice memo of like a sad desperate woman but like this is why we need the patriarchy because this woman shouldn't be working a thousand percent so she's not a woman who like needs to work so this is like yeah if she didn't feel like the societal pressure to work because what she doesn't do a new a movie because she had a baby and then she's put out to pasture because she didn't get on the circuit and everyone forgets about her right that's what happens on women no

28:10Jackie Oshry:it's a tale as old as time and no matter what industry you're in like you're getting passed up for shit yeah because you took three days off if you take to nurse your baby if you take too long

28:17Claudia Oshry:off we can't even take a longer maternity because everyone will move on no it's so true find another

28:20Jackie Oshry:podcast that they love the thing is like that is true yeah it is and it's like not people's fault like they gotta live they gotta listen to podcasts like no it's terrible like we're we'll be bleeding out here. And then we also get accused of like taking too long. Like I can't. So I actually quite deeply relate to Blake in this voice memo. It is just I think the shock value is really still not wearing off for people like with reading Taylor's text messages. These are things. Why would we ever expect to hear like a mega celebrities voice memo? And the point of voice

28:49Claudia Oshry:memo we said like to disappear. And it's like, oh, your courts could your text could end up in court. Let's send voice memos. Oh, but like, I thought they disappear. And he obviously kept it. And. Nefarious people who keep voice memos are not your friend.

29:02Jackie Oshry:Voice memos. I know when someone keeps my voice memo, I'm like, why? I didn't even say anything. So I really, I'm going to call out someone by name. Remy Bader keeps all my voice memos. And I just like voice memo her because we're like gossiping and stuff. And I'm like, why do you keep keeping them? She's like, it's like a setting. I don't know how to turn off. Oh, I feel like Shannon keeps them. So I think it's a setting. And like Shannon, Remy, turn it off. Because I'm just like, was that so interesting that you want to ever hear it again? I used to send them a lot when I was breastfeeding because I only had one hand.

29:31Jackie Oshry:And it's like, I'm just gossiping, but stop.

29:33Claudia Oshry:No, sometimes I'm just explaining something. It's actually more boring. That's why it needs to be explained. It's actually not like ratata. Ratata. I can do ratata over talk to text. Oh, I can ratata with the best of them. But I can't do talk to text when I have some like boring nuanced things to say. That's when I do my voice memo. They're not even that interesting. So like, why are you keeping it? Do you ever want to listen to it again?

29:55Jackie Oshry:I think there is a setting that automatically keeps them. I'll give Shad and Grace. Yeah, I'll give Remy Grace. But I think Justin Baldoni keeping them is nefarious.

30:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So also what I was going to say is sometimes like you put like the worst in the voice note because you think that it will disappear. Like when you don't want to put something in writing, you say it. But now knowing like.

30:15Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I think we're all moving differently technologically ever since this lawsuit and like all the evidence has started to come out.

30:20Claudia Oshry:Yeah. I'll be meeting you in person if you want to talk. Yes. If I have something crazy to say, like, let's go off the grid. Yeah. You can come down to Florida. Yeah. And we'll take a drive.

30:29Jackie Oshry:And we can talk about it. So a lot of evidence that has, it's so funny because so much like documents were released that it's, everything is still very slowly being unsealed and not unsealed, but like sort of made public. And I think we talked a lot last week about the cut of the movie, right? Like Sony, why were there two? And so it's now been confirmed via documents that Justin Baldoni's contract with Sony there was always going to be a bake-off. He did not get final cut of the movie. So he was worried about giving this huge budget. They gave him$25 million. Did they call it a bake-off? It's called a bake-off.

30:59Jackie Oshry:That's what it is. When there are multiple edits of a film and then the best tested one moves forward. So this whole time it's been sort of alleged that Blake stole the movie and she made her own cut like going rogue with Ben Affleck. Well, no. Justin Beldone never had final cut of the movie. His contract with Wayfarer is now like public. He never had final cut. There was always going to be a bake-off. He was able to put forth his own final version. And then there were agreed upon, they were going to do the testing and then there were agreed upon categories. There was like, you know, under 35, women 18 year and older.

31:29Jackie Oshry:And so there were two key categories that he had to win in the bake off to get his cut made. And he lost both of them like fair and square to Blake Lively. Blake Lively's cut is Sony's cut. So Sony gets a cut and Justin Baldoni gets a cut. I'm not 100 % sure why Sony's cut. They went to Blake Lively, but they did. Colleen Hoover endorsed it.

31:48Claudia Oshry:Wait, and all this time we thought Justin's cut won, but Blake's went to theater. Well, actually, we thought Justin's cut won and Justin's went to theater. Now it turns out.

31:55Jackie Oshry:No, we thought, but up until last week, we thought that like his was better, but Sony went with hers. Why? No, hers was better in the two key categories that before all this drama, Justin signed his contract saying, yes, I will win these two categories if my cut. So it kind of makes sense because Justin was this sort of green director. They gave him the budget. And you know what? Like, say what you want about Blake Live. Like, her cut went on to make$350 million. Colleen Hoover said she thought it was better. It told the story better. Um, Colleen Hoover also like there are emails coming out now that she was like having problems with Justin like before Blake was even cast.

32:24Jackie Oshry:Cast. Like he cut her out when she sold the rights to whoever it was, Sony. She had said like she had been burned in the past by like some of her works like them cutting her out. And so she wanted to be more involved. There's like an email of her just like sort of pleading being like I'd like to be more involved in the script writing process. And Justin like totally cut her out and like was holding events with like fans to work on the script. Excuse? And he invited Colleen but told her not to speak. Isn't that weird? That is weird. Silencing women.

32:47Claudia Oshry:Just write the script, you know? Yeah, right. Just write the script. And also it's based on a book. It's pretty much written for you.

32:53Jackie Oshry:So like I think Colleen endorsing Sony slash Blake's version and then Blake winning. It was like sort of a no brainer. Yeah. But so a lot of misinformation when it comes to the cut. And I'll acknowledge that I also was misinformed.

33:04Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but that's all good to know. Very interesting. So the whole thing is that like. It's less of a stolen movie.

33:08Jackie Oshry:It's more of like that she like won it. Right. And I think Justin really needs to legally prove that Blake stole the movie. because if that's the case, then he wouldn't have been capable of harassing her because she was not his subordinate, you know? And that's what his countersuit was about, but it got thrown out. So he really needs to prove that Blake stole the movie, like, legally, in order to be free of any alleged harassment because you can't harass someone who's not, like, it's not harassment in the workplace if it's not your subordinate.

33:37Claudia Oshry:Well, that's not true.

33:38Jackie Oshry:I think that's, like, what the legal claim he's taking is. You could harass your boss. A thousand percent.

33:44Claudia Oshry:Okay.

33:45Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

33:45Claudia Oshry:Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Thank you for that. I feel like we're getting closer to clarity.

33:53Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And the lawsuit hasn't even started yet. I just like, I was teetering. Like I wasn't 100 % sure if I was right about Blake Lavin. I was like, have I made a grave error? And that's why I did stop talking about it. And when the lawsuit - For two days. No, no, no. Like we took like over the summer, like there was - Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because there's been a huge break.

34:07Claudia Oshry:I thought you meant like since last week.

34:09Jackie Oshry:No. And then like since last week, I've been feeling more like I really don't - I don't think Justin Baldoni is like this big victim that everyone, like all these people think he is. Like, I think like he was a freak. There's so many women on record. I feel like that whole thing is getting pushed aside. All the women on record, you know, his former podcast hosts need to interview her. Like she is the most interesting woman in the world to me. What did she say? Remember? She just like quit being like toxic masculinity.

34:33Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But I thought she quit like when he was getting canceled. Yes. She supported him for years. Right.

34:37Jackie Oshry:So is it just like you couldn't take the heat or do you have something to

34:40Claudia Oshry:say? Liz Plank. Okay. I was, for me it was giving weenie energy yeah um but it could be giving victim energy right so there's

34:49Jackie Oshry:there's the young lily whose actress's name i can never remember i'm so sorry um of course blake lively jenny slate the podcast host colleen like saying that she was being silenced um yeah i'm feeling more sure than ever like i'm ready to be the villain of this story like i am not i'm not team justin baldoni like i stand firmly like prepare to be sick of me i've done the research and i'm a matriarch yeah look at me accidental yeah yeah i just think it's been so easy to like blake live like she sure she's annoying that's that being the headline she's a weenie she's insufferable she talks weird her and taylor's wife like took down yeah whatever our next story sexually harass anyone okay netflix's new dating show age of attraction

35:30Claudia Oshry:keeps contestants real age under wraps the trailer just dropped for a new netflix show called Age of Attraction that is hosted by Nick Viall and Natalie Joy Viall because they have an age gap in their relationship. They have a crazy age gap. What's the difference? She is, it's an 18-year age gap, but it just feels so much smaller because she's a podcaster, so he's like in a young man's game. He looks young. He seems younger and she seems older.

35:55Jackie Oshry:Right, she's like a mother already. She was a mother very young, but it's still so crazy.

35:58Claudia Oshry:Yeah, so they're the perfect hosts for this show. They are. That's called Age of Attraction. So it's a bunch of people ages 22 to 59 and they like, you know, rotate, date each other and fall in love. And then they don't find out each other's ages until the end. It's giving season one of Love is Blind.

36:15Jackie Oshry:Like it kind of sounds like an amazing idea.

36:17Claudia Oshry:I just want to say like. It's it's kind of weird because like you can you have eyes. Well, you might not know someone's exact age, but like you can see if they are older or younger. Do you know who like would have been perfect on this show?

36:31Jackie Oshry:Who? Jessica and Mark. Oh, yeah. From Love is Blind. Because they were two people who couldn't get past age. And I think sometimes that does happen.

36:39Claudia Oshry:But they were like so similar in age. How different were they? Four years? There's this one couple that the trailer focuses on where he's clearly younger and she's clearly older. And then like there and she was like, typically, if I had met you, I would have set you up with my daughter. Did you watch a trailer? No. And then at the end, it's like we're going to share each other's ages. But it's like we have eyes. You are much older than him. What are the age gaps again?

36:59Jackie Oshry:22 all the way to 59. Yeah, I don't love like a 22-year-old girl being with a 59-year-old man. There is like an element of ick here.

37:06Claudia Oshry:But everyone has eyes is what I'm saying. Like you could see that someone's older or younger. You might not be able to guess their exact age. But within what?

37:14Jackie Oshry:Like five years you think you'd be able to guess?

37:16Claudia Oshry:Five to ten if you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Like it's not that crazy. It's not blind. And then at the end they're going to say their age. And how different could your age be from what you really are? Well, let's see.

37:27Jackie Oshry:Maybe they cast people. Maybe that's what like the casting director was looking for. Or like people who really don't look their age. There are people like that. Yeah. When I went to the dermatologist to get my Botox, I was like, how old are you? She looked amazing. She was an amazing, you know, advertisement for herself because she was 44. I'm like, you look my age.

37:42Claudia Oshry:That was like me when I was at, you know, the restaurant. They said I looked 18. Where? When was that? You were there.

37:48Jackie Oshry:I don't remember.

37:49Claudia Oshry:I was talking about it, but I chalk it up to the pads. What restaurant were we at? The club. We were in the club. You were at the club. I don't remember. We were in the club. It was a few weeks ago.

38:04Jackie Oshry:Oh, you were expecting me to remember something from a few weeks ago? No, no.

38:06Claudia Oshry:And it was like for me. I believe you. And that's what they said. Yeah. And whenever like people see me, they think I'm very young. Yeah, I think that actually that is true. Yeah, I do. You do have a youth about me.

38:16Jackie Oshry:Your fair skin, your light hair. Like definitely people think like I'm always older than you. People think I'm younger than I am. You're also like out and not here, of course, but like out in the world. Like you're kind of not shy, but quieter. her. So that also like people thinking she's shy, she's young. Just like a little girl. You're giving little girl. A hundred percent. Little girl, accidental matriarch.

38:38Claudia Oshry:But the show like is going to be great in terms of like reality TV and I'm imagining there's a big twist because so there's. Yes, there has to be. Like this guy has to be literally 22 years old, but I'm glad that that's like the minimum.

38:49Jackie Oshry:You know who they would have cast back in the day? Like Taylor Hicks. Remember the guy who won American Idol who was like 22 and had a full head of gray hair? Yeah. People like that. There are people. And I'm sure the casting team like this was an important show like in terms of casting yeah i think they probably spent a long

39:01Claudia Oshry:time like looking for certain people yeah for old people who look younger and young people who look older so everyone thinks they're similar in age but then they're not yeah i think that it's like a good premise though because i think if you can relate on like things and then you find out each other's age well it's like we already related age isn't as big of a thing as looks unless right it's pretty big really sometimes like you really like someone but like their age is just like well unless it's about like then kids and stuff like if that person the younger person you're divorced

39:34Jackie Oshry:you don't want to marry someone who's already been married like but that's something that would

39:37Claudia Oshry:come up in the conversations of falling in love like your history and yeah yeah you know but just like the lifestyle of wanting kids if you're with an older woman and that's just not going to be a possibility actually i watch a clip of patriarchy okay but the patriarchy is not like god's fault like yeah it's biology yeah not really they didn't make it this way yeah right it's like not the patriarch's fault not to defend the patriarch and maybe like the patriarchy is a function of the biology and the biological fact that it's based on science women have a hard stop

40:07Jackie Oshry:yeah well claire danes actually i saw a clip of her on um good hang with amy poehler talking about something so interesting that she got pregnant at 44 and she was like i had no i she her kids were like 12 years old already she had to do multiple rounds of ivf for her most recent pregnancy and she was 44 she was like she had no idea that she could get pregnant she was freaking out when she got pregnant obviously you know but she was doing ibf no so like with her previous pregnancies she had to do ibf so she was like there's no way i'm 44 i had the hardest time get she and then she got

40:34Claudia Oshry:pregnant just a crazy story look at that woman woman matriarch infinite possibilities it's true are you ready for our fourth story which is going to be traders recap no is it our fourth story

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42:28Claudia Oshry:Our next story, Traders Recap. Lisa Rinna breaks down, oh, spoilers, spoilers, breaks down in tears on the Traders over her difficult exit from Real Houses of Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a weird line that was thrown in.

42:39Jackie Oshry:It was a very weird exit, but I feel like up until recently, like I've been watching the episodes and then going on social media and I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone. Like I thought everyone was going to be like hating on Michael for what he said to Colton. But no, like Michael was valid and everything he said. And honestly, justice for Michael. So so far, my takes with everyone had been pretty on par with the fans. But I'm really shocked at how many people are like mad at Rob for last night. I'm mad at Rob. I'm not. I am because. I'm sorry. Lisa was like a liability.

43:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Lisa wasn't a great traitor. And I have to imagine it was even worse in person.

43:10Jackie Oshry:Like she really was awful.

43:12Claudia Oshry:But he never said that. He never said she's a bad traitor. She's a liability. That's why she needs to go because she's like giving up the secret. He like sort of exacerbated sort of a seed that Colton had planted and let it grow. Like he didn't back his fellow traitor. And I guess eventually the traitors do turn on each other because you want to win and you want to win with at least the least amount of people as possible. Right. But the less traitors there are, the more the chance the faithfuls have.

43:37Jackie Oshry:But also a really kind of effective way to keep the smoke off of you is to lead a charge against a fellow trader. So like it sucks. But like, look, Candace was being so obviously team Lisa. And the second the roundtable ended, everyone started saying Candace's name for the first time ever. Rob said it. No, someone else said it. Robin Colton. Someone else said it. And Colton, I mean, and Rob like substantiated it, but he did not say it.

43:57Claudia Oshry:He could have easily said a housewife wouldn't vote for a housewife. That's literally why Colton went for Lisa because she voted for Portia. It was very smart of Candace to vote for Rob because she was kind of in a bad spot and she could have just done like a throwaway.

44:13Jackie Oshry:But if Candace does get found out as a traitor, they'll be like, well, who was Candace targeting?

44:19Claudia Oshry:And why would she think she was targeting a fellow traitor? Oh, true. I actually don't think it was smart that Candace voted for Rob because now Rob knows that it's war. Whereas he could have. And now when she goes, like, she has to, like, whip up Johnny and everyone to be against Rob. Whereas she could have been doing that in secret and Rob would have no idea.

44:37Jackie Oshry:Don't you feel like the show is becoming a little unfair gender wise? Like, the five, the six people who won the challenge, it was five men. Oh, yes. And Natalie, like, who's like a very fit survivor. Yeah, she won Survivor.

44:50Claudia Oshry:So like, I thought the same thing that the women didn't have it. They don't get a chance to get the dagger or the shield. Challenges should be like a little bit more like intellectual,

44:59Jackie Oshry:like a combination of both physical and Donna Kelsey never stood a chance. Right. She couldn't have done last night's challenge. Like, I do think they need to become like a little bit more like sort of like an escape room. Yeah. Dorinda would be good at that. Like, I think it's becoming a little bit unfair. And that was such a physical challenge. Like, of course, you have a former NFL player. It was Steven Coletti, like all the guys. And then they have this like boys club where with Natalie, where they're like, you know, sharing secrets. I don't know. It's becoming a little unfair. I do think that they should spice it up a little bit where it's like maybe a puzzle.

45:26Claudia Oshry:I agree with you. And on the one hand, it's like, oh, maybe this is like a special forces type where it's like, well, you don't come on the show if you're not. It's like, it's a personality game. It is a mind game. So I agree that that's not fair. And I felt the same way. And I also feel like it's unfair. They have this like boys group going where like Mark and not Steven. Steven has a mind of his own. He does. He really likes Mark as a follower. Mark is such a follower. You know what? Johnny Weir is kind of a free thinker.

45:52Jackie Oshry:He just has bad thoughts. But I don't consider him in that group. No, but everyone who said that they were going for Natalie, literally not one of them voted for Natalie.

46:00Claudia Oshry:Because Rinna didn't do a good job at the round table. We need to talk about Rinna because I actually was sad to see her go. I was sad to see her voted out. And I didn't expect that because that's the point of the game to get the traders and she wasn't even being a good trader. But to go out like that was just sad. She's like, so she comes in like so hot. She talks such a big game.

46:18Jackie Oshry:she did that after people were on to her like she flipped the switch so obviously like colton pointed out that she was being quiet to everyone so she started being loud that's like the most obvious thing she should have stayed in her like it could not be more obvious oh and we need to

46:32Claudia Oshry:talk about jam jam wait we need to no but i just was gonna say that she talks like such a i'm lisa fucking rana like i'll be the best trader because i'm an actress in this and i'm a housewife and if you don't survive housewives and can't survive the round table she literally dug her own grave at the round table by giving nothing. People were prepared to vote for Natalie and she did not defend herself in any sort of compelling way. Like, I'm only coming for you because you're coming for me. It was so like, no, and she actually had something good to go on, which is that Natalie slipped up. Tara heard it like that's something tangible.

47:01Claudia Oshry:And she was not compelling at all. And it's just a case of who can speak better. And like, you are a housewife and you're one of the most iconic ones. And you were taken down by Colton and Natalie and Rob.

47:12Jackie Oshry:To be fair, like I do not blame Rob for not backing Lisa. Like I do believe she was a liability. It's not that he didn't back her. And he could have done it in a, like. He could have went harder.

47:22Claudia Oshry:He could have used his double dagger. Like. No. But like Colton had an idea of something. And Rob really like confirmed it. And the two of them went hard. And towards the end, Rob, everyone at the table respects Rob. He could have said less. And he went hard for Lisa. It's not that he didn't back her. It's that he went for her.

47:39Jackie Oshry:I actually just don't blame him.

47:41Claudia Oshry:He kind of needed her out. Last week when he voted for her, I completely understood. He had no choice and it looks better for the traitors if he votes for her and it confuses everyone. This week he gunned for her. She might have actually not been sent home if not for him. He is the most popular person in the house, more so than Colton. He's doing Colton's bidding. I am so excited for Colton to realize that he's been like the traitor hunter.

48:06Jackie Oshry:Colton thinks he's like, I got a house. First of all, Rob did. And he thinks he's like so. No, but no, no, no. And no one's getting played like a fiddle more. That was Colton's. He figured it out first, but she only went home because of Rob. Yes. Like he, like you said, is the most popular guy in the house. When he finds out that like he thinks he's at, like he's running this and he's the biggest loser here.

48:26Claudia Oshry:I can't wait. I can't wait for that to happen. Like the person that he confides in the most is the traitor. So they will have to turn on each other.

48:35Jackie Oshry:And the funny thing is that people now think like what Rob is doing, Colton is actually doing. Like they think Colton is maybe a traitor who turned on Lisa and they were like going at it for a while. And that was like, that's actually a good theory. That's for someone to think. And it's hilarious because it's literally Colton's best friend. Yeah. So let's talk about Jam Jam and the air kiss. Yeah. First of all, the drama, he's getting pulled away. Like he's in a psych ward. Like it's Lisa, it's Lisa.

48:58Claudia Oshry:I just want to say you can really tell that like that the experiment has gotten to these people. The fact that Natalie was, she was like, I was scared for my life. I was so scared. Oh my God.

49:06Jackie Oshry:Natalie was being crazy.

49:07Claudia Oshry:Like, oh my God.

49:08Jackie Oshry:you're just gonna be taken off the reality show and back to your family like you're fine he was being nutty they were really acting like they're going to die yeah yeah it must be and i've heard now you told me that like before the round table it's two minutes of silence they play spooky music it's definitely more than i thought it was like i thought it was just like reality stars like getting together no they do it's an immersive yeah it's an immersive experience yeah where they actually think they're gonna die yeah if they don't get the antidote so when jam jam was being like taken away by the guards and like he's oh my god i mean ben could not stop laughing like the level of drama and it's interesting that like he was right it is lisa but they were completely wrong about how the murder in plain sight happened yes and i just want to say i don't think it's fair

49:51Claudia Oshry:that he was taken away like that and that he got to speak and say who killed him

49:56Jackie Oshry:um like i don't agree like to the rules of the game yeah but the thing is is that it's the same way like at a round table because the thing is he was wrong it was lisa yes but not in the way that he thought it was so it's completely fair to like i actually don't i don't what if he was right and like he figured it out like i i don't agree i think it's fine that he was able to and it added

50:17Claudia Oshry:such a fucking funny level it was funny but it's like usually the dead can't speak you kill someone successfully they wouldn't be able to speak come back from the dead and tell you who did it i guess Like maybe, but I'm not mad about it. I don't know. I, I, I like felt defensive of Lisa. I felt like it just didn't feel. Well, I wanted her to do better. I thought the show was like. I wasn't. No, but the thing is you were loving her as a traitor. You thought she was like, so like you're having your renaissance. Yeah. I didn't even feel that way. Yeah. But just the way she went out just felt like wrong to me.

50:45Claudia Oshry:I can't explain it. I didn't feel like good. Like we got her. It wasn't prideful either.

50:49Jackie Oshry:You got yourself a traitor. Yeah. The thing I was having a renaissance and honestly it was Colton who pointed out like what I liked about Lisa was that she wasn't being Lisa. Like that isn't who she is. So she wasn't being a good trader. I do think Candace is being an amazing trader and I had very low expectations of her. It's tough to be a trader and a housewife with another trader. So like, yes, you could say that she only didn't vote for Lisa because she is also a housewife and she has maintained that she didn't vote for Portia. Thank God. But it's starting to get a little suspicious. Like now her name's being thrown around.

51:23Claudia Oshry:Everyone's names. Yeah, I guess Johnny and Tara's names haven't been thrown around. If your name's not being thrown around, you're not in the game. Yeah, Johnny and Tara. Or Mark. Maybe their alliance will. Yeah, Mark. Mark is a disappointment.

51:34Jackie Oshry:Although I didn't necessarily agree with Lisa's choice to kill Jam Jam. It felt really random. Yeah.

51:42Claudia Oshry:And yes, he's, I didn't think he was. She should have killed one of Colton's cronies to take away votes from the Colton block.

51:49Jackie Oshry:Yes, without directly going for Colton. Yes. Like a Dorinda or. Like a Mark.

51:53Claudia Oshry:Mark does what Colton says. Yeah. And if he thinks he's thinking for himself. Yeah. Yeah. He needs they need to take away from that. Just like boy coalition. Yes. Because it's getting really strong between Rob and Colton. And they have Mark. They're turning on Stephen. Obviously a mistake. Stephen's just like guilty of being a good guy.

52:09Jackie Oshry:Yeah. Like really sweet. Like I actually really like him. Yeah. I think that I don't know. I'm not mad at Rob because like I felt it like Lisa in every time Lisa was accused. She could not have handled it where she started like giggling. Like why don't you just tell everyone you're a traitor. Like so bad. and at some point yes it's like traitor strong but you got to look out for number one and i feel like she was increasingly becoming a liability and the only way for him to like successfully navigate it like he doesn't have the housewife thing like that he can say it and vote for lisa no no he could vote

52:35Claudia Oshry:for lisa i have no problem with him voting for lisa last week this week at a certain point in

52:40Jackie Oshry:the episode he led the charge yeah in a like a underhanded kind of way yeah and that to me that's

52:48Claudia Oshry:like that's beyond like being a traitor because that your loyalty is to the traders I guess up into a point but I just felt like we weren't at that point yet no he definitely escalated like really premature to like yes now because

52:58Jackie Oshry:the traders war and there's still like 10 people left like I don't think I yeah and they're like not gonna win then they're not gonna figure it out either like they were far from figuring it out this does make it messier yeah but it also makes it really hard to hunt traders if the traders are fighting with the traders so it is also a good yeah because you could argue anything oh they

53:16Claudia Oshry:voted for them because they know they're a traitor that knows a fellow traitor or they're a traitor who wants to kill a faithful like yeah so you have to just be the most compelling arguer yes that's what it is and lisa was really not like she was bad and i feel like she's so you know like i feel like for a lot of the housewives except for candace because candace is able to like you know hang with the people she's a real girl one of them friends with everyone but lisa rin is like an entity and it's like she's not gonna ever be everyone's best friend because she's just like iconic and not interested.

53:47Claudia Oshry:She's not going to be like a low, like a down low, hanging out,

53:50Jackie Oshry:chilling kind of girl.

53:50Claudia Oshry:Like Rob and the guys and Candace and the girls. So like, she was in a sort of a tough spot. Kind of like Donna Kelsey. Even if she was a faithful, I don't know how she would have acted.

54:00Jackie Oshry:Actually, I think she would have been very housewife. Like, because it's easy to be a faithful. You don't have this chip on your shoulder. Like, so I think she would have been a more housewives coded version of herself. Yeah, I think that's Rob. Oh, and Rob's saying, maybe it's a turret full of housewives. That was brilliant. Yeah. hopefully they go for Dorinda Dorinda next and then get it wrong first of all Dorinda voting for Maura and spelling her name Miara like she spelled it like M-O-R-A there was an E in there M-O-E-R-A it's funny how they spell each other's names hilarious Maura's like giving nothing and I actually appreciated Dorinda being like you just come here and you like are such a follower and you like say nothing you do nothing yeah Maura's not a traitor but she sucks.

54:42Jackie Oshry:Like, sorry. I liked that Dorinda came for her.

54:44Claudia Oshry:I agree. And she's just another one in the Colton Rob voting block. She's like a mark. And all she has going for at this point is the potential of falling in love with Rob. With Rob. And then Rob having to turn on his lady love and his best friend. I can't fucking wait.

54:59Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So also that rumor that we heard that Rob and Candace aren't speaking, like it does seem like they... Yeah. They don't come back together. So when they get in the turret, I was really curious to see them talk and that's where they cut off the episode. but that will be weird.

55:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah, and it's like Rob is playing a really good game. He's a really good trader and he's turning on everyone. But it's at a point giving psychopath.

55:19Jackie Oshry:Yeah, it seems like Lisa Rinna did not watch one episode of the show before coming on and Rob maybe watched every single one of them a little too closely. Like he came in, he is so smart about this one thing. Yeah. It's weird. And that he was able to guess who had the dagger. Oh my God, that was insane. Okay, so I was like following his line of thinking And I was like, well, it's obviously Steven because Steven picked up the plank and then like shook his head. No. And it's like, OK, well, only a liar would do that. Like it was such a weird.

55:48Claudia Oshry:Steven is an honest man. It's true. Actually, that was sociopathic. I'm telling you. And so, yes, he's playing a good game. But like at what cost? Like, great. You're the best liar.

56:00Jackie Oshry:So the thing is, it's also really interesting, like the varying levels of fame of all these people, because the pot, I think, last season was like around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is where they ended up. and like for someone like Tiffany she was saying like I'm a single mom like she won one show once like she's not a celebrity the money actually means more to people than others and I think like Lisa Rinne if it was 250k and she split it with everyone like great but like whatever um but I think for someone like Rob who like his time is a little bit past in terms of celebrity he definitely still makes like a nice living but he lives on his farm and he's not like you know out here being a celebrity even though now he's so huge I saw him in a Sonic commercial did you

56:36Claudia Oshry:No, I was going to say, I don't think Rob falls into that category. He was on Love Island, the most popular season, two years ago. I think he gets Brandeis up the wazoo and lives a quiet life.

56:44Jackie Oshry:Well, he does live a quiet life.

56:45Claudia Oshry:So I don't think he needs that much. He's Instagram. But I think like he's an Instagram thought. But I think the money, like, it's not really a level playing field for everyone. Like, I would think Colton needs the money more than Rob.

56:59Jackie Oshry:I don't know. I keep, every time I open my TikTok, there's a first ad for Nanette from Colton Underwood. What? Yeah, it's insane. Okay, Rob has 1.6 million followers. And they're fresh. Yeah, and also I'm going to go down to like before traders. So this is November. Okay, wait, 2024.

57:15Claudia Oshry:Yeah, that's before. Oh, he doesn't post. He never posts. And he has 1.6 million followers.

57:19Jackie Oshry:Oh, Celsius partner in October. Oh my God, everything is an ad. Arby's. Arby's. Yeah, T-Mobile, every single post is an ad. Real Zaxby's, I know that. Hey Dude. I'm at every single, I'm not even scrolling. Chili's skinny dipped at well organic post organic post organic post okay at 1.6 million followers reals x bees again t-mobile I'm not skipping me undies I'm not skipping tic tac I'm not skipping organic post revolve organic post poppy revolve organic post tinder well so many ads no you're Right. So he doesn't fall into the category. No. He's so cute, by the way. I just like, I love him.

58:08Claudia Oshry:Yeah, no, he's really good and I like him, but I didn't like it. I can't. I just rub me the wrong way. I didn't hate it. Like Lisa at some point, like it's. Oh, and I just want to say the whole episode was so overhyped. Like the banquet. Oh, beyond. Saying this when you hear banquet. What?

58:20Jackie Oshry:So we got like, that was just marketing. I thought it was like, I thought Alan was being real with us and he's just being an. A marketer. No, like a corporate cog. Like that was insane. It was a good. It was good. It was interesting. It wasn't.

58:32Claudia Oshry:I thought last week was better. I thought the Michael Colton episode was better.

58:34Jackie Oshry:No, but the pulling Gem away, I was cracking up. Like, I get what, like, that was completely overhyped. Yeah. Fifth and final. Fifth and final was Tell Me Lies recap. Okay. So much TV was watched last night. Thank God. Such a good episode. First of all, they didn't do any wedding flashbacks. It was just like kind of an episode about people in college. Yeah. And I was enjoying it. Yeah. I loved the Wrigley. Ugh, Breeze. She's a very good actress. So pathetic. Like, the whole mom thing. And I don't, I didn't know where it was going. Yeah. But it seemed like fine.

59:02Claudia Oshry:Yeah. But the drinking was like, is this bad? No, it was definitely like imperfect, you know, and maybe she's setting herself up for disappointment. But it was more so about Wrigley being there for her. Now I need to go back and watch the wedding. Like, is her mom there?

59:15Jackie Oshry:Oh, I don't know. I love Wrigley. Like, I just couldn't love him anymore. And like, when are him and Pippa going to break up? Right. And he did so right by Pippa. He didn't kiss. No, and Pippa wouldn't give a fuck. No, I know. But like, as far as he knows.

59:28Claudia Oshry:No, he's not been a bad guy. He's been very loyal. he comes and picks Pippa up, always kisses her. And Pippa can't dump him because like he's going through a lot. The Chris thing at that pool party like gave me a chill down my spine.

59:40Jackie Oshry:I was like, who the fuck is that? No. And he's like, why are you saying that I rigged you? Like, it's a valid question, except the fact that we know that he does this.

59:48Claudia Oshry:Right. He also like, so yes, he didn't do that, but he doesn't recognize that he does that to other people. Yeah. Which is crazy.

59:55Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And like, Pippa gives me a pit. Like the whole show is so pit. They should call it Tell Me Pit. Give me pit. It is so pit inducing. Yeah. What else happened in the episode? Diana, my queen.

1:00:07Claudia Oshry:I'm disappointed in her because like she's putting a target on her back. Yeah. Steven sent those photos. I can't imagine that a law school is going to get someone's nude photos from their ex-boyfriend and then kick them out of school for what? I don't know. You have to remember it's like 2000 and something. Like things like that did happen. No, but like it's not 1950. No, I know. But what would be her crime unless he sent it from her email where it's like, hey guys.

1:00:29Jackie Oshry:I mean and then she says hey that wasn't me and they'd be like clearly because only a crazy person would do that I don't know I don't know what the angle is is it just that like if you're a lawyer you can't have nude photos

1:00:37Claudia Oshry:who did he send it to I would assume like admissions I would assume admissions everywhere except Yale so that she has to go there

1:00:50Jackie Oshry:he is just the devil and do we assume she went through with the procedure Yes. Okay. Yes.

1:00:59Claudia Oshry:She was cramping. Oh, yeah. But she just said. No, but it was like the proceed. The reason plot wise for the pregnancy was for her to get back in orbit again.

1:01:09Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And make them entangled once more. Yeah. I saw people say it was like a bad episode. Not a lot happened, but I enjoyed it. Yeah. It's a great show. Oh, Lucy, like, tried to, you know, have sex just the regular way. And it's clearly not enough for her. So, yes, things are escalating. And you are 100 percent right. she's engaging in harmful behavior and it's not enough so she's then you know you know uh harming herself verbally and it's just a matter of time before she harms herself physically yeah but

1:01:35Claudia Oshry:especially because that guy now looks at her differently because he thinks that she has trauma and that's why she's doing right and he was like oh i thought we were just having fun but like this is giving dark yeah so he won't do it anymore yeah she turned out to be a sweetie so it turns out like that'll be the last we see of him because she's not going back yeah and so now she's engaging in like you know dark behavior yeah which is not good and self-harm and it seems like

1:01:54Jackie Oshry:in you know the future at the wedding like she's still not healed no and that's that's upsetting yeah she's like the same at the wedding yeah and that's tough to see i can't believe last season she had sex with steven at the wedding yeah and steven's the same too he's still like you know he's looking through wrigley's phone and maybe they are perfect for each other i wonder why wrigley and brie don't end up together like yes it's complicated in college you know i'm sure Pippa and Pippa and him break up. So at some point.

1:02:24Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And Pippa knows that he loves Brie. Oh, does he? Yeah. She said like when they were dancing on the dance floor, Pippa and Wrigley, and they were like talking openly about it.

1:02:33Jackie Oshry:So it must be that Brie. I mean, I think when Brie's childhood being like sort of traumatic, there's a lot of stability with Evan. He really loves her. He's very financially stable. And I think when you grow up like foster home to foster home, like you crave that. So yes, love wins, but not all the time. Sometimes stability wins.

1:02:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Something obviously happens between the two of them where she feels like she has to make that choice. I like Evan. Also, Stephen brought. I love Evan. I fucking hate Molly. I know. And it's like that exchange was really sad.

1:03:03Jackie Oshry:But you know what? Like valid on Evan's part. Like I said a hundred times. Yeah. That this is just casual sex, which is awful. But she agreed to it.

1:03:11Claudia Oshry:Right. And when they were playing pool and Wrigley was like, well, did you ghost her? Did you tell her that it's over? And he was like, I never told her that it started. Like, I know Wrigley's like, you know, the feminist voice. Yeah, he is. Of the men, but I don't think Evan, and I imagine that it's just such a shitty feeling for Molly, but like he said what he said. You know, when people tell you who they are, believe them. Yeah, he's been harsh, but honest. Yeah. Yeah. And when he said to Bree, like I would stop talking to her in one second if you told me to.

1:03:40Jackie Oshry:I need Evan to get on Wrigley's level when it comes to Steven. Why does Steven have this whole, he gets to walk through his apartment and leave the dishes and he paid for the sister's floor.

1:03:49Claudia Oshry:Well, that was because Evan slept with Lucy, but now they're even. Right. So, like, he needs to stop hanging out. They're each other's friends. It's the last semester of senior year. These are your friends. What are you going to go make new friends? Yeah. But no. Yeah. And he also, I think Steven does roll off his shoulder a little bit now, too. Like, he knows that he doesn't have the power over him. He doesn't, like, he's not beholden to Steven. Yeah. But Bree's starting to put pieces together about Lucy and Evan. but I do think well she already knows because at the wedding she got the voicemail yep she seemed hurt but not surprised yeah and at some point like you just gotta let it go yeah like it's fine yeah and it's like she likes Evan but she doesn't like love him deeply right so it's not gonna be

1:04:32Jackie Oshry:like heartbroken like this is sort of a marriage of convenience at this point like yeah he really wants to be with Brie so you know what be with Brie yeah let's step into Queenie and Weenie our final segment of the week where Jackie and I deliver two awards Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week it comes as no surprise let's just say together who our Queenie is on the count of three. One, two, three. Queen Corgi. And do we have the same weenie? Who's your weenie? Pug Caso for beating me. Like I couldn't say it then. I have to say it now. I said to Ben, I'm like, I have to think of my queenie and weenie.

1:05:00Jackie Oshry:I'm like, this morning, I was like, I'm thinking of doing Pug Caso. And he goes, who's Pug Caso? Like seriously, I said, are you fucking serious? And he was like, oh yeah, I know, I know.

1:05:08Claudia Oshry:No, I actually, I like Pug Caso. My weenie would be the audience members who voted for Pug Caso over Queenie. Because Pug Caso didn't do anything wrong. He was being himself. he was singing his best with his fantastic costume but the audience members who didn't see true talent and I feel like that win for you like you needed that win mentally and emotionally and they hurt you they hurt you

1:05:30Jackie Oshry:yeah

1:05:31Claudia Oshry:so I blame them for everything

1:05:33Jackie Oshry:I actually have a really funny story about me losing I'll share it on the Patreon it's so funny

1:05:36Claudia Oshry:okay we're about to record that so this is actually a great segue for us to like sit right here and continue our conversation

1:05:40Jackie Oshry:yes okay you guys thank you so much for listening to the Toast on Monday morning show where we deliver the Fast Five stories you need to know every Monday on YouTube so you're watching us on YouTube please don't forget to subscribe Love you, bye.

1:05:50Claudia Oshry:Love you, bye.

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