The Hardest Working Man in Hollywood with Justin Sylvester: Tuesday, November 18th, 2025

18 Nov 2025 · 1 h 13 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Toast - "The Hardest Working Man in Hollywood with Justin Sylvester" (November 18, 2025)

Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
  • Guest: Justin Sylvester
  • Featured Discussions:
  • Wicked Premiere Highlights (Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande's absence from interviews)
  • Met Gala 2026 Theme Announcement
  • Cher's Return to SNL after 40 years
  • Burglary Incidents at BravoCon
  • OJ Simpson's Estate Settlement with Ron Goldman's Family

Key Segments

  1. Wicked Premiere (24:12)
  2. Discussion on Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande skipping interviews for the premiere due to Cynthia's vocal rest.
  3. Justin shares firsthand experience of interviewing them, highlighting that the film is darker than the first.
  1. Met Gala 2026 Theme (32:48)
  2. The Met Gala's upcoming theme revolves around "embracing the body."
  3. Discussion on potential celebrity attendance, especially given the involvement of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez.
  1. Cher's SNL Appearance (42:34)
  2. Announcement of Cher's return to SNL after nearly 40 years.
  3. Anticipation around what songs she will perform and how her presence will blend with Ariana Grande.
  1. Burglary at BravoCon (48:35)
  2. Kathy Hilton and Sutton Stracke's homes were burglarized while they attended BravoCon.
  3. Discussion on the implications of celebrity homes being targeted due to public visibility.
  1. OJ Simpson Settlement (57:20)
  2. OJ Simpson's estate agrees to pay $58 million to Ron Goldman's family, 31 years after the murder.
  3. Reflection on the complexities and ongoing impact of the case on victims’ families.

Advice Segment

Dear Toasters (1:03:18)

  • Advice Inquiry: A woman is conflicted about relocating to her husband's hometown for a lucrative job opportunity that would significantly increase their income.
  • Key Points:
  • The importance of financial security and the impact on family life.
  • Discussion on navigating family dynamics and personal preferences in terms of living arrangements.
  • Justin emphasizes the need for mutual agreement on future living situations.
  • Second Inquiry: A friend asks for reimbursement after hosting a birthday dinner.
  • Key Points:
  • The importance of transparency in event planning.
  • Clarity on financial expectations before gathering.
  • Third Inquiry: A first-time mom is puzzled over her husband's decision to exclude his friends from the baby shower.
  • Key Points:
  • The strangeness of excluding friends from significant life events.
  • Understanding typical male behavior regarding social gatherings and emotional expressions.

Key Takeaways

  • Cultural Commentary: The episode discusses the celebrity culture surrounding events like the Met Gala and the inherent risks of public life, particularly regarding privacy and safety.
  • Financial Security: The hosts stress the importance of financial stability in family life, especially when opportunities arise that could drastically change their lifestyle.
  • Relationship Dynamics: The conversations highlight how different individuals handle expectations in friendships and relationships, especially regarding significant life events like births and celebrations.

Conclusion This episode of The Toast combines humorous anecdotes with important cultural commentary, showcasing the synergy between celebrity news and personal experiences. With Justin Sylvester as a guest, the discussions delve into the intricacies of Hollywood life while providing relatable insights for listeners navigating their own challenges.

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0:16I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Tuesday. I'm ready to be sat on because my next co-host is former, the artist formerly known as the lady sitter. It's Justin Sylvester. Hello. I'm going to bring that back. You better. I'm bringing that back. We are working on a show about it right now. Are you? Yeah. The lady sitter. Like if you weren't there for the lady sitter era, you guys were missing out so hard. You were sitting on ladies, myself being one of them. Crazy, right? We met on a lady sitter excursion. We did. We literally met with a bunch of bougie white women. Do you know that when you Google ladies sitter, because I actually did this morning to, I was going to do a clue.

0:59You know, I've been doing these like clues for my guests is. And I ended up doing something about the Today Show, which I want to talk to you about in a second. But I was going to do something about the ladies sitter. And Google Gemini says, the ladies sitter is a phrase coined by Justin A. Sylvester. Bro, give it to me. They did. Someone give it to me. I love that you're wearing your alphabet green. So am I. New merch drops tomorrow at 10 a.m. That's cute. You're coming straight off the Wicked premiere. Yeah. Straight off of the Today Show. we talk about you so much on the toast. I don't know if you know how much we talk about you.

1:25One, because we love you. I love you guys too. You're the hardest working man in Hollywood. Like for real. Bitch. And it seems like something is, somebody's bothering me. Let me say that. It seemed very obvious to me, but I'm smarter than most people. So when Hoda said, I'm leaving this show, my thought that minute was like, okay, Justin Sylvester's time. Now, NBC said we're going to do guests and schmests and whatever. I don't think anybody expected this guest thing, Jenna and Friends, to go on for now almost a year. Yeah. I mean, you've come on. I mean, since Jenna and Friends, how many times have you filled in for Hoda?

2:04Oh, I think five times. Right. Like, you're clearly a front runner. Actually, Andy asked Hoda on Watch What Happens Live, who do you want it to be? And she said you. Like, she gave you her approval. She passed the baton. And they still haven't announced you as the official co-host. They still are doing Jenna and Friends. Like, please give us an update. The toasters, like, we are dying. It's your job to lose. You know, it's so interesting, you know, when I look at that show, A, I want it. And it would be a great gig for me. And I see everything that you're seeing. And I saw when Hoda said it. But from a producer standpoint, I'm also looking at it and being like, wow, she's getting Scarlett Johansson.

2:45Right, right. Or Olivia Munn. Like, or Michelle Obama. Of course. Well, Michelle Obama's not going to show up at 6 a.m. every day. You are. I will. But it's so interesting and amazing to see how many people really want to live out that fantasy for a week here or three days here. So I think for them, they're going to see, like, how long this could go. Could go. And how many people. They're still getting A-list talent. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's crazy. I don't know if. I might be too spicy for the Today Show. No way. You're literally perfect for it. You are perfect for it. Like your former life as the lady sitter literally led you to this moment.

3:21Oh, 1 ,000%. It's so you. 1 ,000%. But I think if you look at like today's show talent, they're safe. Yeah. They're wholesome. They are. You are, by the way. No, I am. But I'm also single and younger and gay and in these streets. They need that. And I think I bring something very different. Absolutely. You know, I often look at Gail and I think to myself, even though Gail's older. Gail's out in the streets. Gail's at parties. Gail knows people. She was at that Kris Jenner party. She was at that Kris Jenner party. She went to space. Oh, right. She was at the Bezos wedding. Oprah's now her plus one.

4:02So true. Gail is out there. Gail's making connections. People want to sit with Gail. It's like, you know. It's all coming up Gail. It's all coming up Gail. And at some point, Gail's going to be like, I'm done. Yeah. You know, So I just am hoping that NBC gives me the space to be culturally that person. Yeah. Because we don't really have like, and I say this like very lightly, like, you know, when people say I fuck with you, you know, everyone fucks with Gail. Yeah, it's true. She's universally loved, which in this climate is so hard. So hard. So goddamn hard. But I don't know. Maybe it's this round.

4:43maybe it's in five years but something is brewing and I feel it and my little Scorpio Spidey senses tell me like if it's not this it's going to be something else yeah of course no you've always everything you've done has been amazing I think we thought for a minute Daily Pop was going to be and when that ended we were like wait and it was so just like a stepping stone for you Daily Pop was everything bitch I want that show back those were the days I don't know why E! couldn't sustain it because the show itself was brilliant when it was you, Morgan, and Carissa. Like, it was perfection. And it was what people like me, the people who listen to the show, it's what we love.

5:20It's what we need. It's talking seriously about not serious things. Like, I don't know how they dropped the ball on that. You know what it is, I think, for a company like E! And I say this respectfully because I have learned. I've been there for 10 years. I think when you are brought in by one executive and then another executive wants to come in, they want to put their shows on air. They want to put their people on air. And what they do is they kind of kick your show to the side. And that show really did its thing. Although we went through three executive changes, five years on air every morning was, I mean, it was lit.

5:58No, it was iconic. It was so good. Career highlight for me was being a guest on that show. It was huge. We had the best time. Oh, we did. And it was so skinny. And it's, oh, you were a snatch. One pound, half a pound. Snatch. Snatch. And by the way, people still come up to me today and they're like, oh, my God, Daily Pop. And it's interesting because now everyone is looking for shows that can be on, you know, digital. Yep, which was Daily Pop. Daily Pop should have been – maybe it was a little early for its time because it should have been the official, like, Daily Show of Peacock. Yeah. Oh, my God.

6:29Yeah. That would have been – And then you wouldn't have been, like, confined by, like, the cable things you could curse, you know, commercial breaks. Like, you would have – Yeah. Honestly, bringing back Daily Pop on Peacock. Free idea. Free idea. It really should. A thousand percent. They really should. You know what's so crazy? I bet you, Morgan Stewart, I would give that bitch a Adderall. She would do it. And she would just come back swinging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. If it was on Peacock and it was like premium, she would do it. She would totally do it. And I think Carissa would too. I think she would too.

6:56Because they had bopped people in and out, but you, Carissa, and Morgan for a while were like the three. Yeah, until they started having kids. Right. Respect. And then it was maternity leave central. Literally. Literally, maternity leave central. Yes. But that really was like the three of you was really, it was magic. It really was magic. And you know, the funny thing about that show is everyone laughs because our first call was at 5 a.m. Oh, wow. 5.30. I would get up and do the 5 a.m. call to make sure the show was intact. Then all the girls would get on calls at 6 o 'clock. They would get the show rundown.

7:35and then I would get back on a call at 6.30 to talk about what they didn't like and what they did like. So every day for five years, we went 365. We took barely any days off. I was on those phone calls making sure that people like us enjoyed the show. Now, what's so funny about you is like, for the most part, you do a lot of TV and most of it occurs very early in the morning. Yeah. And some of my favorite memories and so much of the things that we do together is like we go out, we cocktail, we party. And I love your commitment to not letting your early mornings ruin your late nights. Fuck that.

8:07And when you watch, when somebody watches you on TV, they would never know that you were out the night before. Like, how do you balance? Because most people wake up at like seven for their jobs. You've had a full day by 7 a.m. Today Show, Daily Pop, that's all like four or 5 a.m. How do you balance a good, well-maintained social life, which occurs at night, with hustling in your career so early on in the mornings? First and foremost, you got to live your life. like that's what it's all about and being interesting on tv doesn't mean going to bed at 7 30 and you know making sure you're up early like being interesting on tv is living your life and bringing something to the table and that's why i feel like when i listen to podcasters or i watch people on social i'm like you have not gotten out of your house and you haven't had a dinner past 7.30 in a very long time.

8:59Like get the fuck out. I feel like you're speaking directly to me, but like I am still freshly postpartum. I love a dinner after seven. No, it's okay. I know what you mean. But I think some people feel like they have to be like 100 % committed to the job for it to succeed and for it to take off. And that means going to bed at seven. But if you're trying to be interesting and you're trying to like, you know, share what you've got going on, you've got to have something going on. I literally just had this aha moment, Jeff Lewis and I were having this conversation and he said it at Bravo Con too. He said, when housewives quit their day job, it ruins them.

9:34Oh, well, absolutely. And then it also puts them in a really tough spot financially because they rely so much on this thing that could be taken away from them at any minute. And also when you don't have a day job, you have nothing to come to the table with. You know what I mean? Like imagine we watch Vicky scream at employees at Codo Insurance, answering those white phones like it was 1987 and she worked at MCI with one nail. Like that's what it was all about. It's true. The landline. The landline. And, you know, he said this and it made total fucking sense when these housewives quit their day jobs, they become so dependent on the show that it kind of ruins it.

10:15Absolutely. And they're not just like giving. what I find most interesting about Housewives is like learning just how, you know, the other half lives, like seeing the lives of these very famous, very wealthy, very interesting women. And so when the show becomes their whole life, they stop becoming interesting to me, honestly. No, 100%. I also think, and Bravo is going to kill me for this. I think Housewives should be like a presidential run. Wow. Okay. Elaborate. Like four years. For instance, I think that every two or three years, if I were Bravo, I would have eight people on staff. I would have six housewives, you know, in the middle, two friends holding it down.

10:59Every three years, someone siphons out and someone new comes in, whether it's a housewife or a friend. And then in another year, the person who went live for a year or two comes back in. And then someone else takes a break, goes and lives for a year. Get your therapy. Get a Bob. Meet some new friends. Get a Bob. Just go get a Bob. Get a Bob. But not a Nicole Bob from Selling Sunset. Just get a Bob. Just a regular one. Just a regular Bob. That Bob turned her into a whole different person. That's so funny. You know what? That's actually a really good call. I mean, and one of your best friends in the whole world is Kyle Richards, who has famously been on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills for - 15 years.

11:3415 years. 15 years. She probably could have benefited from a year off every now and then. By the way, I think she's tried to take one. Yeah. I think she has tried her hardest to be like, I will take a year off. Like, let me leave right now. But I think they're afraid of getting off the hamster wheel, like worried if they get off, they won't come back. I don't think that's it for her. I think what it is for her, and I know this for a fact, she's a child star. Right. And when she starts something, this was her way of life for a very long time. You committed to it. And I think because she started the show from day one and she's the last OG.

12:13Is she the last? Yeah, her. She's the last OG. I mean, Jersey's like off air, so. Yeah, she's the last OG. Wow. So she, in her mind, knows that this is her baby and she can't leave it. So that's, I think that's her heart. The rock, between the hot rock and a hard place with her. I've loved seeing you on Housewives over the years. You've really kind of just been a man about town on lots of shows. Last night, you were literally coming straight from the Wicked premiere, which we're going to talk about. It's our top story. Interviewing, you know, everyone, including Ari and Cynthia, even though Cynthia was in her very much muted moment.

12:46Do you like doing – like your job entails so many things, and I feel like you're at your best when you're just sitting like this, Jenna and Fred's kiki-ing. You're so funny. I love a kiki. You have so many interesting – your life is very interesting. I want to ask you about who you're dating. But you also are so good at red carpet, and red carpet has gotten kind of criticized over the last couple of years because a lot of networks will just kind of pluck people who aren't reporters, influencers, actors, and just sort of throw them on a red carpet. And it's resulted in so many sort of yikes, butt-clenching moments, Hugh Grant.

13:20What do you make of that conversation? Here's my jam. And I'm going to say this because I know a lot of networks, there are people who work inside those networks that listen to this podcast. We've got the media girlies. Yeah. first of all i understand i've been in this game for 10 years plus i know you want a name yeah i know that you think getting somebody who is a name is going to rock this world and that's okay if that's your play let's do it however when you get said name you just need to put someone next to said name who knows how to do the job to supplement yeah and by the way we don't cost as much as said name okay no no because it's like you know what I mean because it's all about budget it's all about budget and they're like oh we have this name we have this name sometimes you need to let somebody come in and like it's if you look at every rapper steer the ship in every rapper in history, there has always been a hype man.

14:24That hype man keeps that person on beat, keeps that person to know what song's coming on, gets the crowd going so that that person can do their job. I love that. You always need a hype man. The other thing is a lot of times these companies get these names and they produce them as if they're host. And when I'm a TV host, if you say, okay, remember this, this, this, you go from here to there. It's a lot of memory. It's a lot of things to remember, but my mind just clicks them in because I've been doing this for, yeah, I've been in the, I've been in the trenches. You know, some of these names don't know that this person has a dry sense of humor.

15:05Some people don't know that this person like - It's egos. It's a lot. It's egos. Some stars don't like to talk to other women. We know those people. So I, you know, run, you know run game on that it's like high school it's like high school but it's also like it's like cooking like you can't just follow one recipe because everybody has their own different things and if you don't have somebody who knows that or who's talked to people in the trenches because you know i met kelty on a red carpet right 12 years ago and she leans over and whispers and says oh by the way just um fyi she and her husband are going through a hard thing So like, don't mention the husband or the kids because like it's a bad thing right now.

15:48And I'm like, thank you so much. But she worked at another network. That's a great story. Right. That was when she was at like ET, right? And we passed it down. That's how we've gone through life. Those people, those names, they don't have that passed down information. No, you've been hardened. Like you've done it a million times. You know what's so funny? So Jackie and I always talk about like when we were growing up, every bitch, like when you ask them what they wanted to be, they're like, I want to be the next Juliana Rancic. when I was um like my first day in college I was a media major they go around and it was all women and they were like what do you want to be every bitch Julianna Rancic and you really are this generation's Julianna Rancic so I want to ask you for all the girls who wanted to grow up and be the next Julianna Rancic you are is it as good as fun as everybody thinks it would be no Julianna took the money oh yeah she did Julianna took the last of the e-budget and fucking ran she and Ryan Seacrest Yep.

16:39Carson Daly had a really good run and he was by himself. And then after Carson Daly, there was this throng of people, Juliana, Ryan Seacrest, Jason Kennedy, Kat Sadler. Like they were the Victoria's Secret angels. It's so true. A fucking broadcast. Yes. Pop culture broadcast, fun, easy, light broadcast. Yes. And it was also in a time where, yes, people had cash. Yeah. People had money. So they lived a whole different life. When we came in, it was like, okay, we're going to try to do this on a budget. Everyone's young. Everyone's young. And listen, the money is not as great. But what I will say that we did that I think they never really got into, Juliana did a lot, but opinion and personality was our bread and butter.

17:34and we did it and made it different in a different kind of way. But I still look at Jason and the Julianas and the Ryan Seacrests and the Carson Daly's and I'm jealous as can be because they were at the glory days. Yeah, it was a golden age of entertainment journalism, a thousand percent. You couldn't, like Carson Daly, like you couldn't fuck with anyone else. Oh my God, those were the days. Kurt Loder, Carson Daly knew everyone and everything. That's so crazy. It's crazy. And he's still out here killing it, hosting The Voice. Oh, and today show. Shout out to Carson Daly. Was he on the Today Show?

18:07Love that. Now, Justin, you're here to join me on a very special day. It's Tuesday. We're coming up the heels of the Wicked premiere. We have a lot to talk about. You were actually there interviewing everyone. I was there. And it's also Tuesday, which means we do Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment. Oh, yay. So you're going to help me out because the girlies are in need, okay? Let's do it. Let's dive in. Justin, I have a question for you. Are you ready for the Fast Five Stories? Let's do it. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Smart Mouth. If you're a coffee drinker, a garlic lover, or my husband, Smart Breath has you covered.

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24:27So I was confused. I worked for Universal. Uh-huh. This is a Universal movie. So they had no choice. So they gave me one interview. And I've interviewed them a bunch of times and they know me and we just were like, come on, let's do it. And they did it and it was amazing. And what sort of nuggets of information did they give you that you can share with us? And did you see the movie? Did you stay for the actual screening? Have you not seen the movie? No. I've seen it twice. Wait, is it even out yet? No. It's a different bitch. Is it? It's a whole different beast. How long is it? It's not as long as the first one, but it's a totally different movie.

24:58Really? It's a little darker. It's a little deeper. Damn. It's kind of sad. It really is a good movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought I liked the first one. I loved the second one. Really? Love the second one. Like a comet pulled for morbid. I wish I wore pink today. As it passes. You feel like you're more of an Elphaba or more of a Glinda? I feel like everybody thinks they're an Elphaba, but when the time comes. Everyone's a Glinda. Everyone bitches out. Okay, so like I actually think, it's so funny, Jackie and I were having this conversation about like are we Alphabas or Glinda? And like I'm an Elphaba.

25:29I'm actually really not. And I'm not talking about aesthetics. Like I'm talking about like ethics. Someone told me the other day, you live in a bubble. Glinda. You're Glinda. Love that. I'm like, wait, you're right. That's a compliment. It's Glinda. So you said like, it's amazing, the movie. It's better. Oh, it's incredible. And by the way, I don't see movies twice. That's not my jam. When did you see it first? I saw it two weeks ago. And then I saw it again at a screening. Got it. And I was like, I had plans after the screening. I was going to go like to dinner with a friend. And then after I was like, I think I'm sad.

25:59Oh, I think I'll go home. I don't think I could go. Wait, speaking of dinner with a friend, was it a dinner with a friend who's a man and a boyfriend? No, but I did bring him to the screening. So you are seeing someone. I've been with him for a year and two months. And you don't share him online? I do not share him online. Talk me through your decision. I think gay men are pretty wild. Interesting. First of all, if you have a hot man with a job who's over 6 '1". Don't tell anyone. Don't fucking tell anyone. at this point I'm just like I don't trust any bitch out there you know what I mean like the amount of times I have slid in people's dms in my 20s who had not respecting boundaries not respecting boundaries and I'm sorry yeah no no and I know that's my karma probably coming back for me but I am never showing you this man people magazine is going to have to cut his head off yeah for the wedding pictures for the wedding photo do you feel like the gay community is worse about that than the straight community when it comes to no no no no okay no no no no i think that there are equal opportunists yeah i agree because you know uh a young hot thing a little little girl she can uh oh my god we hear about it all the time hello jezebel i don't know what it is i think this like twitter only fans i think this generation for sure like respects monogamy like way less it used to be such a big deal it used to be such a big deal yeah but i also think that people it's It's like such a weird thing because everyone's like, when are you going to show your man?

27:24When are you going to show your man? I'm like, I don't really know. I might be like Dolly Parton. Right. Never. Never. What does your man make of your job? He loves it. He's super supportive. He's in the hotel business. Okay. So totally different. 100 % different. He just thinks it's interesting that I hustle like this. Yeah. Whereas he goes to work. And comes home. And comes home. Yeah. That's actually such an interesting like parallel between people who like work to live and people who live to work. Yeah. That's really interesting. Would you say you live to work or you work to live? I think I live to work.

28:00I think you do too. I live to work and I hate to say that because I hate being this broke. Right, right. Because I just want to chill. I know. But I feel like I'm 39. I've accepted it. I've gone to therapy about turning 39. You have literally done so much at 39. but I feel like I want that one thing that I can sit on for like 15 years. You were literally just saying that like in your job, like I feel like your age and entering your forties will only benefit you. A network would be like more comfortable giving the job of Hoda to a 40 year old than a 30 year old. No, I think you're absolutely correct.

28:37So you should start telling people you're 40, if you want that job. Maybe I should post like, Happy 40th. Bobby and his, because he has a daughter. Yeah. Oh no way. So I'm like, oh, I'm a stepmom. Oh, my God. We need to talk about you being a stepmom. I'm a stepmom. Kind of a dream for the kid. Am I? I'm a stepmom. I know. And the kid's so good. Oh, my God. That's so cute. And she's blonde and adorable. Do you want to have kids? You know, I said if I didn't have kids by 42, if I didn't meet someone who was, like, ready to do it by 42, I was going to do it by myself. But honestly, I'm kind of fulfilled.

29:07Yeah. Like, that's kind of perfect. Yeah. Sweet. Slay. I know, right? You interviewed everybody else from Wicked, too, right? Yeah. I saw you with Jonathan Bailey, Jeff Goldblum, Michelle, John M. Chu. Tell me, tell me what you think. And did you see Ethan Slater? I saw Ethan Slater. With Ari or without? Without. What do you make of that? I kind of love him. You do? I kind of love the sensitive Broadway type kind of dude. Yeah. Who's like a real actor. Who's like. Unexpected choice. Unexpected choice. It's like I, every time I see him, I'm more and more impressed and attracted to him. That's extremely interesting.

29:49I maybe could get on board if I could get past the circumstances of them coming together. You know what I mean? The timeline was a little, a little curious. By the way, I think everything happens for a reason at this point. And like, you know what? If you're doing your thing and I'm doing my thing. I feel the same way about Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry. Okay, so I actually like them. I love it. Yeah. Okay? I'm here for it. Yeah. However, if I was that Canadian wife. Oh, of course. I would be on a rocket ship to L.A. to talk about it. Well, you've actually seen in person the Ari, Cynthia, them interacting in person.

30:23I think the internet has a lot to say about the closeness, the protectiveness, the kind of weird nature of a lot of their interactions. But you've seen it in person. Yeah. What do you make of it? Does it come off as weird in person? Let me tell you what. If you had any doubts that these two people are as close as they are. Right. Google Ariana fan Singapore. Oh, yeah, of course. We talked about it last week. The way Cynthia Erivo in a vintage John Galliano gown steps in front of Ariana Grande without second guessing one thing. Forgetting that she too is a huge famous entity. And a Polly Pocket.

31:15Oh yeah, seriously. Skinny as a needle. So when she sees this person coming, she looks up, puts herself in between Ariana. And by the way, there's seven security guards around them. She could have been like, I'm not going to fuck this dress up. The way she pulled a solange in the elevator on this man, that's when you know these people are close. Because if they were not close, she would have took her dress, moved over to the left and said, this is not my mess. That's so true. This is somebody else's job. No, I feel it's genuine. It's genuine. I just think it's a little like much. It's genuine.

31:54Who am I to say? Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, it might be much, but for them, it's like - It's working. It works. So true. You also, don't forget, Ariana is a global superstar. Right. Most global superstars don't like to leave the house because they can't. Especially global superstars who have been through sort of the trauma that Ari has been through. Yes. So when you are with someone who has probably expressed to you that, oh, my God, this is so traumatic for me. You know, I've been through this thing in the UK and I don't know. It's so scary. Yes, I'm holding on to my co-star. Yeah. For dear life.

32:34Because you guys don't realize that she is in flight or fight and it's hard for her to be here. Right. So I'm going to have my hand on this person. On her finger. On her finger at all times. At all times. I'm going to hold space for no one but her. Now, another big New York event, the Met Gala, they've released their theme. I love it. And the exhibit. And everyone's talking about it, but not the theme. So on Monday, the Met revealed that the theme for its spring exhibition and then the star-studded fundraiser is costume art, set to examine the centrality of the dressed body. So the show will pair approximately 200 garments and accessories with 200 artworks spanning from the Western prehistory, yada, yada.

33:13Now, in the announcement, everybody was like freaking because if you go down, it shows Lauren and Jeff Bezos as the sponsors. So I think it's safe to say we will be seeing them at the Met Gala. Everyone now thinks that this is some sort of explanation for Lauren's wedding Vogue cover. Of course. And people are freaking, you know, because they say like celebrities are so, you know, holier than thou. Will they all attend an event by the Bezos's who are like these billionaires and we're supposed to like hate all the billionaires. and it's consumerism, yada, yada. They're all going. They're all going.

33:45Do you think we will see people using their outfits to make a statement like against the Bezos? Even though like, it seems like the Bezos are in. Like they've been accepted in ways other billionaires have not. And that's all Lauren. This is the most interesting conversation I have. I have a podcast called The Yestergaze. And my podcast host, Blakely Thornton, who I love, hates them. Really? For what reason? um i think he doesn't like them for the for the the usual with the ethical like a lot of people if you take a look at amazon the digital footprint the billionaire ethical billionaires i don't like to go down that rabbit hole i prefer to just be jealous of billionaires here's my jam as long as i'm still ordering since i'm on fucking amazon and it's coming that day and it's coming that day that's exactly what i said to jackie amazon has improved my life and on a daily basis continues to benefit me.

34:37Seriously, I can't be mad. I can't be mad at people like that. I can't have outrage about somebody whose product I still actively use. Target, on the other hand, I can have outrage about because I don't want to walk in there anymore. I'm done. So when it comes to the Bezos's, like you really have to sit back and examine why you are upset. Lauren Sanchez did something that we would all do. If Jeff Bezos had put his hand on my shoulder when he was single and I was single, guess what? I would have had a$25 million wedding in Venice too. And so when Bethany was on the podcast last week, she said the most, I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.

35:12She had the most poignant thing about Lauren. I saw it. Yeah. About that Meghan Markle. Meghan Markle. Yeah. Meghan Markle, Lauren Sanchez is Meghan Markle with no rules. Like she married this guy with enormous access, obviously different things. You know, Bezos has more of the money. Harry has more of the prestige and Megan, there are so many rules with royalty and there's so many rules. I think Megan imposes on herself because she wants, you know, she carefully curates what people think about her. Lauren Sanchez doesn't give a flying fuck when anybody thinks about her. She knew what the money could get her.

35:40She knew what the access could give to her. And she just doesn't give a fuck. And you know what? It's amazing to see the two parallel paths of these two different women. 100%. And where it's gotten them. 100%. Because I feel like people started out really not liking Lauren Sanchez. And now everybody's kind of come around to her. People started out really liking Meghan Markle. And now I feel like her Q score has gone down. Oh, 100%. And it's, you know, what's crazy is Lauren Sanchez is a very nice woman. Have you met her? Oh, yeah, yeah. Is she like a party girl? Yeah, she's in the White Lady Crew.

36:08She's like one step out of the White Lady Crew. So we have hung out with her. She's always very sweet, always nice. And this was back when she was married to Patrick Weitzel, who was the CEO of W &Me. So Patrick Weitzel was a major agent in Hollywood. She wasn't a nobody before. She wasn't a nobody. You might not have heard of her, me included. That doesn't mean she wasn't like a mover and a shaker. Her husband was behind the scenes. Got it. So when she met Jeff Bezos - Who's more front facing. Who's more front facing. You know, she kind of escorted him into this celebrity lifestyle. And when people say, oh, she has an easy life, she definitely has an easy life.

36:43But she's working now. This bitch is working. Yeah. She's getting this man out and about and front and center. And I just I don't know. I'm not hating on them outwardly because I feel like everyone's hating on them right now. And it's so unoriginal. Like, I'm sorry. You know what? Like you would do it, too. You would fucking do it, too. And I'm still using Amazon. Of course I am. Have you done red carpet at the Met Gala where you stand on the stairs? No. Is that like a goal of yours? No. It looks really hard. I don't want to do it. And nobody wants to talk to you. Like it's really not that type of carpet.

37:13No. I don't want to. Interesting. What I would want to do is where Vogue has that top staircase where everybody talks. Oh, and it's like a Vogue YouTube where Emma Chamberlain, Lala Anthony. You would be excellent. That's what I want to do. Give me the job. Give me the job. It's so funny. Whenever Jackie and I are like talking about like, oh, who should do like this? that we're always suggesting you, because you really are this sort of chameleon. I think you would be excellent. I would murder it. You would murder it. And I do think that a lot of celebrities know you or recognize your face and feel comfortable talking to you.

37:43And that's really what it is at the Met Gala. And that's why Lala Anthony was so good. She's friends with everyone. She's friends with everybody. So everybody was happy to come up and talk to her. They didn't skip her. She knows everybody. She knows everybody. And then the young people, they all know Emma Chamberlain. So they do a good job, actually, both of picking people who might not be traditional hosts. But I would love to see you at the top of the stairs. And the Chamberlain girl does a really good job too. She does a great job. And you know, she's very TikTok-y. That's the game. You gotta play it all.

38:03You gotta play it all. But I would love to see you. Meghan Markle needs a new gay. Do you, wait, but first of all, do you think Meghan Markle would go, is going to the Met Gala? And I don't know why she hasn't gone. It's very her. I think now that we have seen her at the Balenciaga. Mm-hmm. And then at Kris Jenner. At Kris Jenner's. I think this is a preview of what's to come. It's only a matter of time. I think for her, she needs exposure therapy. Yeah, she's definitely like petrified. Yeah. She's very skittish. By the way, Meghan Markle, I understand why. I am with you. Yeah. I get it, girl.

38:37Like being the only black person in the royal family could be, I know it. Could not have been fun. Yeah. I stood by that a thousand times. I thought maybe you should have stayed two more years, but it's okay. So funny. I actually agree. Yeah. Only because I think while it probably would have been really hard for her and I didn't want her to go through that, I think if she had stuck it out and made it out on the other side, it would have been this amazing thing to see this like American divorced black woman. Yeah. I wish I'm like mad at the potential and I blame him. I know the toasters can't hear me talk about this anymore, but just, you know, I blame it not working out on Prince Harry.

39:10And I think, I think he is the worst person in the world. And I think he didn't protect his wife at all. Not to say that the royal family was amazing to her, but he did not prepare his wife at all for what the assumption that his family would just take care of it and get her the wardrobe, get her the, that's your fucking job. Like go protect your wife. He just sent her out to go meet the queen without telling her how to curtsy. No, no. I just don't think they know. I bet you he got out and didn't know how to even make a easy match. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You know what I mean? Like, how are you going to set somebody up when you couldn't set yourself up your whole goddamn life?

39:39Right. But I think Meghan Markle, A, needs a gay who's going to be like, listen, bitch, you're going to get some hard times. Like, this is going to be hard. Like, they are going to make fun of you for six minutes. It happens to everybody. It does. Look at J-Lo. When you get to that echelon, Katy Perry, you just got to go through the rough patch. You got to run through it, get some mud in your hair. The only way out is through it. Because if you go back. It makes it so much worse. No, no, no. If you go back and retreat, you start over from the beginning. So true. So what I need you to do is realize that people, like all's fair.

40:13People are talking shit about it, but people are watching it, including myself. And they're leaning into the jokes. And they're leaning into it. You just need to lean into yourself. And I thought she was almost there when she did the Gwyneth Paltrow thing. Yeah. I was like, oh, she's doing it. Yes. She knows it. And then she retreated back. You just got to run through it. You got to run through it. She doesn't have good people around her. You do this year. I think she'll be with Balenciaga. I would love to see her there. She's going to do it. I'm still kind of confused on why they ripped the photos down.

40:46Oh, me too. Me and Bethany were talking about it. I talk about it with every person who comes on the show. Like, do you have a theory? because my running theory is that because you know the photos were removed from the carousel and then prince harry and megan's team released a statement saying you know we didn't sign the consent forms and then the kardashians camp said what are you talking about there were no consent forms for photos birthday party right now i think they were filming the birthday party for the show you have to sign a release megan harry didn't sign it because they don't want to be on the show which is totally understandable and i think they thought that would protect them from images i think they just in a shallow sense did not like the photo you could see harry's bald spot like I think it was more of a shallow thing.

41:22Well, this is the problem again. Yeah, right. Lean in, just be human. Yeah. You're there, bitch. Who doesn't have a bald spot? Beyonce's there, bitch. Now start hacking Nutrafol. Exactly. Exactly. Beyonce was there. You have no excuse. You have no excuse. She took the photo. And the thing is, Beyonce was at the party and we only know that because, not because we saw a photo of her. So Beyonce evaded paparazzi, which means if you wanted to go to the party and not be seen by the public, you could have done that because Beyonce did it. Megan and Harry chose to get out of the car in front of the paparazzi.

41:49They wanted to be seen and they wanted people to know that they were there. It's a control thing. Yeah. Of which they are just not doing a good job. But I keep on going back to this. She could be that bitch. Yeah. She really could. Like she could be that bitch. I just want one meeting with her. I know. Just to like shake her. I want one weekend. I'm going to come to Montecito. Montecito. We're going to cook a little bit. We're going to get to know each other on Friday. on Saturday we're going to rent a room at San Ysidro Ranch and we're going to talk it out and we're going to get rough and we're going to get tough it's not going to be pretty but then on Sunday we're going to go back to Harry we're going to tell him what we came up with deep breaths and we're going to stay in each other's lives we're going to stay in each other's lives our third story is that Cher is returning to SNL she's going to be the musical guest in December and it's the first time in nearly 40 years that she is returning to the SNL stage The Grammy winner is set to be the musical guest on December 20th episode of the long-running NBC sketch show.

42:48And they announced on Monday the final host and musical guest for 2025. Ariana Grande is hosting the episode that Cher is performing. Boom. Yeah, that's pretty major. Get ready. Yeah. You know what I watched last night? The Eddie Murphy documentary. Oh, everyone says it's great. Oh, my God. It was so excellent. And Ben is a huge Eddie Murphy fan. I love Shrek. Like, if you said my who's your favorite comedian, I wouldn't name Eddie Murphy. now that I know him and he's so not what you would expect. Like he, you know, and also I don't know how old he is but they were talking about him like he was around in like the Judy Garland days.

43:18Like he's old. I was shocked when he was like showing the pictures because he looks maybe 50. I think he's like 70. He was talking about how like the height of his career was like old Hollywood and everyone was like doing blow and he says he never smoked, he never did drugs, he never drank. I just, I didn't know him in a personal sense. I didn't expect him to have like such a good head on his shoulders but he told this whole story about SNL and David Spade. He didn't go back for years because they made a mean joke about one of his movies that flopped, which just reminded me. Highly recommend the documentary.

43:45I just wanted to tell everyone that. Oh, I can't wait to watch it. It was excellent. I cannot fucking wait. But Cher is returning to SNL. How crazy. Will you be tuning in? Do you tune in to SNL? First of all, I'm tuning in. Yeah. I'm tuning in for Cher and Ariana because they're going to do some skits together. Do you think she's going to sing old music? Low-key releases new music sometimes. Did you ever hear her Christmas song? I think she's going to do old music. I mean, like, I hope. No, she's going to do old music. Like, I think Cher gets the game. Like, when I looked at her on the Victoria's Secret fashion show, she was like, here's my classics.

44:15Yep. She's also dating a nice young new man. We love that. So she's trying to show off. Yep, yep, yep. So she's going to be backing that Bob Mackie ass out at 70, 80, doing her damn thing. So it's going to be in December. December 20th. Which is the Christmas show. Yeah. I hope to God that Cher plays her new Christmas song. Did you ever hear it? No, play it. Okay, let me tell you, it is the best song. It went viral on TikTok when it came out. Me and my sister Margo became DJ play a Christmas song. I want to feel you dancing all night long. It's cold out there, but it's warm in here. And that's the only thing I want this year.

44:53You fuck with it. It's like a DJ EDM. It is a house song. It's incredible. Damn. And then I went to Jingle Ball where weirdly Cher was performing and she sang it. Me and Margo were dying. It's the best song. You lost your mind. I lost my mind. I would love for her. I don't know if she has like new music coming out because mostly people use SNL as like a platform to release and promote new music. Yeah. But I want DJ play a Christmas song and then like Believe. I'll take Believe. Of course. Any way I can get it. Did you ever see the documentary Cher and the Loneliest Elephant? No. Okay. So when I was at - And how much time do you have?

45:28Okay. So let me tell you. When I was at Brian Kelly's house, we were like spending the weekend together. It was snowing. We got snowed in. We were like drinking wine and we wanted to watch something silly. So we turn on this. I think we wanted to like listen to Cher or whatever. We start Cher and Apple TV. And Cher and the Loneliest Elephant came up. And it's this documentary. I know this documentary. It's about Cher funding this elephant. It's released out of, oh my God. Out of like Cambodia or something. So she like hears about, I think actually it's Pakistan. She hears about this elephant. There's a zoo that's closing down in Pakistan.

45:57And it's one of these like horrible zoos, you know, where they don't. And they've just sort of like abandoned. There's an elephant there, but the zoo closed down. and there's no plan to get the elephant. They were just going to leave him there. And Cher heard about it. It was like all over social media, we have to save this elephant. So Cher saved the elephant. She got a cargo plane. And the journey is about this really cute veterinarian. You have to get the elephant ready. You can't just put an elephant on a cargo plane for many hours. He's got to prepare. And he was really malnourished. By the time the documentary ended, me and Brian were hysterically crying.

46:30And then they're playing Believe at the very end. But he gets to like this new rescue thing in Africa. Oh, my God. I highly recommend it. I don't even know where you guys could watch it. It was the most random documentary. It was the best thing I've ever seen in my life. Have you been to Africa? No, I haven't. Bitch, you have to go. You've done like safari. I went with Jamie Tisch. Oh, so you went good. I went good. I went great. And we stayed in Kenya for one night. Wow. And this guy was telling us that these elephants come back. They raise these elephants from babies. Like they rescue them. They're orphans.

47:03They raise them. They release them. And then every now and then, like once a year, they'll come back with a baby to show the baby. Oh, wait, I'm going to cry. So they can meet the people. Like my foster parents. Yes. And then they leave again. Oh, that's beautiful. And it's like, and they're still tagged. Did you cry? So they know who they are. So like this elephant would go away for like three years and come back with like a cub and be like, hey, I just wanted to show you guys. I would lose my mind. That's so sad. I would lose my mind. Do you ever see also there's a documentary called An Apology to Elephants?

47:34Yes. You've seen it? I've seen it. I mean, I always bring that up. Nobody knows what I'm talking about. Wait, it's literally heartbreaking. Just like how humans have mistreated elephants. This conversation from Cher has taken a turn. Let's go back to the Pfizer. Cher. Cher. What do you make? They also announced like a couple of other people. But like, who cares? Can't wait. Can't wait. And also like Ariana and Cher are going to sing a song together. They have to, at least in a sketch. Yeah. And by the way, Ariana is so good on SNL. I mean, her vocal abilities, like people don't give her enough credit because I feel like they know her pop star era.

48:04Now they know her Glinda era. But like vocally, she's probably one of the best vocalists. She's up there with Adele. I can't wait for you to see Wicked. Wicked because pop star Ariana comes out a little bit. Really? And no one stopped it. And it's fucking amazing. Oh, wow. You're making me excited. I'm telling you, you're going to be like, wait, that wasn't her Glinda voice. That was her black Ariana voice. And I'm here for it. Yes, Blackiana. Blackiana. Are you familiar with Blackiana's era? Yes. That was so funny. Focus on me. Yes, but focus on me. All right, our fourth story, kind of sad news affecting some people you know.

48:38Kathy Hilton and Sutton Shrek's homes were burglarized while they were at BravoCon. So both Kathy Hilton and Sutton's LA homes were burglarized over the weekend while they were attending BravoCon 2025 in Vegas. The LAPD confirms to page six that burglary reports were completed for two break-ins on the blocks where the Star's homes are located. A police spokesperson told Page Six that the first burglary was reported around noon on Saturday, and the report said that the front door had been left open, but a building search was conducted with negative results, meaning that the suspects had fled by that point.

49:06Maybe, like, the alarm went off. Stratt's dog walker was the one who called 911 in the afternoon after coming back to a broken window. Oh, my God. I need to text Kathy. The police spokesperson confirmed that the second break-in occurred around midnight. They reported that Rick Hilton was physically in the home at the time of the break-in. And he called 911 that night saying that there were three burglars. However, we're told that no one was home at the time of either incident. Okay, so it's a little unclear. It's a little unclear. It's also unclear if anything was taken. I'm sure we'll know more.

49:33I'm sure this will be a part of hopefully cameras, you know. Yeah, I'm texting right now. That's so scary. That happens so much in LA, especially with celebrities whose schedules are like somewhat public. So people know when they're not physically. That's like the bling ring. They knew when Justin Timberlake wasn't going to be home. Also, like you have to be really careful. I see a lot of social media and I don't follow them, but I see them that do star homes and where they are and what they look like. It comes up for me all the time. It comes up for me all the time. And I'm like, I don't need to know where Nicki Minaj lives and neither should the public.

50:05Agreed. And that's like, you know, we live in this great country, freedom of the press. I think it's called the Freedom of Information Act. Like all of this is public record. That always gives me the willies. And I think like specifically social media influencers don't do a good enough job because like celebrities, everyone knows where they live. but celebrities have like millions and millions of dollars and they do have like these security things in place. Influencers who are like have so many people watching them and are so, you know, like not careful about sharing like details about their lives and they show their fancy cars and their bags.

50:33It gives me such a pit. And by the way, half that shit's fake, but you know, you set yourself up for that. Like, you know, stop showing the fake shit online because now people are gonna think it's real. Like you can't do that shit. People are, after Kim's robbery, I thought people would wake up a little bit. Yeah. And again, not that it's Kathy and Sutton's fault. There's nothing they could have done here. Like they had to go to BravoCon for their jobs. Everybody knew that they would be leaving. And like, it's just so crazy how common, I feel like we're always reporting on a story about like a celeb house being burglarized.

51:05In LA, it's so crazy. Shit doesn't happen like this in New York. No, it's about, also now Beverly Hills. It's Kyle who's been burglarized, Kathy, Sutton. Literally, it's like sort of a rite of passage, everyone. Oh my God, Erica. Was she burglarized? Yes. Remember one time? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Insane. Insane. No, so scary. It's so fucking scary. Thank God I'm broke. Yeah, don't steal from us. I understand. Today's episode is also brought to you by Wayfair, the place to shop for all things home. Everything from sofas to spatulas, you name it, they have it. And you can get up to 70 % off during Wayfair's Black Friday sale.

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57:19All right, our fifth and final story is a little update in a story that's about 35 years old. Sorry, 31 years old. OJ Simpson Estate has now agreed to pay victim Ron Goldman's family$58 million. Finally. 31 years after the murder. So he's finally agreed. Fred Goldman, who's Ron Goldman's dad, And while O.J. was acquitted of the murder, we all know, if the glove don't fit, the Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson families were both – they both filed wrongful suits against O.J. in 1995 and were awarded more than$33 million. But O.J. Simpson's estate only paid a very small portion of the amount that was ordered.

57:54And now they're being forced to pay it because months later, Ron Goldman's dad, Fred, filed a claim for$58 million with interest. For the money that he was owed and then the money that, you know, the penalties and the interest. And he's finally, I mean, Ron Goldman's dad like always makes me cry. Like especially in that Ryan Murphy recreation. It's just. The fact that this man still has to fight for this 31 years later and can't put this to bed because it's disgraceful. Yeah. And I feel like he hasn't known peace since his son died. Like obviously your son dying is like the worst thing that could ever happen to you in the whole world.

58:29But it's like it always comes back. Like the Ryan Murphy thing, it introduced a whole new generation to this case. people who weren't alive for it. Now this. It's also crazy that like, he was not found guilty, but he got sued for a wrongful death. Like, how can it be both? That's where the justice system is so fucked up. You know? And part of like, honestly, like if you, these celebs do this sometimes too, they'll sue people for a dollar. Right. Just to make a point. Gwyneth, the ski. Lost a day of skiing. You owe me a dollar. Half a day. Half a day. You owe me a dollar to make this point. Ron Goldman's dad didn't really do this for the money.

59:11No. What he did it for was to prove that OJ had done this. Right. If he could do it in a civil. Right. It's something. It's something. He would have to say he lost his suit for a wrongful death. Right. But when you don't pay it and you think you're above the law for 31 years, you can't close that chapter of your life. It's so crazy that OJ Simpson just like walks around. It's wild. He did. He died. I'm sorry, he died, right? He died. But like for, he went, got out of prison for something totally different and was just around for a couple of years, like golfing. Like that was the crazy, making TikToks.

59:43Making TikToks. But also like, I think OJ Simpson, and I don't say this in defense of him, was a pure narcissist. Oh, he was a deeply twisted individual. He was a deeply twisted individual that probably had some CTE. Oh, for sure. That was undiagnosed, that went on top of the narcissism, and just thought he would just walk around and play golf in Florida. Shake us down in Florida. That's so true. I just got back. Shake us down in Florida. Can I tell you something also from the Eddie Murphy documentary that made me really laugh? So he was saying when he was a kid, he definitely, he didn't know it at the time, but he had OCD.

1:00:14He would get out of bed like five or six times in the night every 10 minutes to make sure the oven was off. And he didn't know at the time. Nobody in his family knew. It was just like this thing he had to do because it would be kept up. It kept him up at night. I think the oven's on, even though 10 minutes before he just checked to make sure it's off. Then he's sitting around watching like the local news and they did a segment on OCD. And that's how he figured out that that's what he had. And he was like, in that moment, I forced myself to stop because I thought it was just like this weird quirky thing that I did, not a mental illness.

1:00:39He figured it out. He was like, I did not want to be mentally ill. I literally forced myself to stop. Holy shit. It was such a crazy story. It was a very crazy documentary. And they really could have done without like the last 10 minutes. I got so bored. But up until that point, it was perfect. Like a really, I'm very tough on celebrity documentaries. I can't wait to see it. We talk about it all the time because not every celebrity needs a documentary. Not every celebrity needs multiple documentaries, Demi Lovato. And then sometimes they're just not good. But when they're good. When they hit. When Charlie Sheen hit.

1:01:05Charlie Sheen was excellent. Gaga, 5 '2". Ha! Katy Perry, Part of Me. That was also part concert. Love that. Listen, Charlie Sheen. It was amazing. I wish I knew him back then. I know. I wish I had, like, smoked a little something with him. Crack, yeah. Just to say I smoked a little crack with Charlie Sheen back in the cut. He was so raw. Yeah. I read the book. You did? I fucking read the book. What is your best celebrity memoir? My favorite celebrity memoir. Jessica Simpson's was amazing. You know whose was really good? Who? Angelica Houston's. Really? No, the last one I read was Jessica Simpson.

1:01:51The shit Jack Nicholson put her through. Oh my. Actually, I also read Kenan's. Thompson? Yeah. It wasn't my favorite, but it was pretty good. There were little nuggets in there. Oh, my God. Jeanette McCurdy? Oh, of course. So by the way, Jeanette McCurdy put me on the Kenan Thompson. So I started Jeanette McCurdy, and then I started reading like a bunch of child stars. I also read Josh Peck's, which was very good. Jeanette McCurdy's. Oh, my God. That shit can be up and everything. Do not. The teeth? Listen. The teeth falling out in the plate. The teeth falling out? Do not read Jeanette McCurdy's.

1:02:20Listen to it. Oh, I read it. Oh, it's in her voice. Oh, wow. And it is, I was in San Tropez, I'm not joking to you, at a fucking club in the middle of the day with one ear. Dancing with my right ear, getting the tea with my left ear. Oh, my God. Jeanette McCurdy had me stuck. I couldn't leave the beach without finishing this chapter, bitch. It was chilling. There was a man trying to make out with me right here. And I was fully into the child abuse in here. It's so funny. It's wild, but the way she writes it and the way she talks about it is so unbelievable. They're making a TV show about it. Yeah, and they should.

1:02:57She's an excellent writer. She's an excellent writer and poor girl. Had her whole life taken from her. Jesus Christ. I mean, fucking crazy. Fucking wild. That was definitely probably the craziest. Jessica Simpson, the first half of her memoir is really crazy. She grew up in like deep Bible Belt and it's all about that. And usually I don't like when people talk about the childhood. It's like, I don't give a fuck. Tell me about like when you're famous. Oh my God, no, it was crazy. Yeah, it was really, it's very long. I'm doing it. All right. Right. Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, the girls write in and we try to help them.

1:03:21Let's do it. If you guys want to write in, email us, deartosters at gmail.com or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. Okay. Good morning. My husband has the opportunity to take over his dad's business. This would be about a 15X increase in salary to seven figures plus more flexibility than what my husband currently has. And that's something we both desire for our family. I personally stopped working when I had a baby. I don't know if I always want to be a stay-at-home mom, but this career change for my husband means I could do whatever I want. The problem is, is that we have to move to his hometown in the South, somewhere I don't see myself living, and it's a 10-hour drive to my family.

1:03:53We always talked about moving closer to family, but I figured it would be my family. I like his family. They can also drive me nuts. He would love to be near his family, though. I hate the idea of feeling like we're just repeating my husband's life. He sees no problem with that, of course, because he loved his childhood. Do I need you to just let go and be thankful for what this would mean? Am I being selfish? XO, an East Coast swirling. Let go, honey. Of course. 15X. 15X. I mean, this is not even a question. Bitch, you had me at 15X. Yeah, of course. I didn't even listen to anything you said after 15X.

1:04:19Girl, I clicked on at 15X. No, and by the way, it is nice to be around family. Yes, it would be better if it was yours, but like, is the opportunity for 15X near your family? No, it's near his family. Babe. Sorry. You're going to be fine. You lose. Like, sorry. Yeah, you lose. Have you seen the news? Have you seen what SNAP benefits are happening right now? It's so true. 15X. Take the money. Take the lifestyle. Take the like, you don't have to ask anybody to do anything. You can fly to see your family with all five of your kids. No, and like obviously financial security is so amazing, right? It's like really a feeling you can't put a price on.

1:04:52And I think also when you have a kid, like, you know, being kept up at night about money is like the worst feeling in the world. Being kept up about money at night like for you and your family is an even worse feeling. Like you just had a baby. I don't think you can actually put a price on the peace of mind having financial security gives you. Sorry. Like I'm – one thing about me, I am always going to choose the money. Okay. Same here. But I'm reading between the lines here. Okay. Because she didn't say everything she wanted to say. So you think her husband's gay. I don't think her husband's gay.

1:05:17I think she's not very fond of his family. Well, of course. So let me give you a little tidbit here. If your husband's going to take this job, because I'm reading you like I think I'm reading you, because I know women, you need to be in charge of where and how you live. Yes, absolutely. If your husband says we're moving to X, Y, and Z, Louisiana, Alabama, yada, yada, yada. Same block as my family. I don't think so. I don't think so. We will be moving 30 minutes away because this is where I feel comfortable and I have enough space. That's great advice. From everybody else. Absolutely. So take it one step further and be in charge of finding the home and stand your ground and saying that I need to live here.

1:06:04Yeah. And make sure to harp on the fact that like you're doing this for him. So you say, babe, look, listen, your dreams are coming to you. So let me be the one to choose the house and the neighborhood and the school zone and everything. Love that. Yeah. And by the way, in the South, let me let you know something. 30 minutes, 25 minutes is far. It's a lifetime. Yes. Oh. Yes. It's land. In the South, by the way, L.A., 30 minutes. Because you're from Louisiana, right? I'm from Louisiana. 30 minutes in L.A., I'm like, I'll think about it. I don't know if I can really make that happen. 30 minutes in the South.

1:06:38is also like five miles, but so much traffic. So much traffic. 30 minutes in like a landlocked flyover state. It's 50 miles. It's literally 30 miles. It's really crazy. Yeah. It's really crazy. And by the way, they're not coming to your house. No, right? Love that. They're not coming to your house. Oh yeah, buy a small house. Yeah, yeah. Do not come. Do not come. No, buy a big fucking house 30 minutes away. Love that. All right, next up. Hi guys. My best friend invited my husband and I to her 30th birthday party. It was a hibachi open bar. We were told we didn't need to bring anything, but she texted me the next day asking me to pay her$200 to cover dinner expenses.

1:07:09Context, you know, is important. They make a lot of money. I would say millions, I dare. Is this crazy? Absolutely. I just had this happen to me. Did you? Yeah. Where, give me the circumstances. A friend of mine's boyfriend planned a birthday dinner. For the friend? For the friend. Okay.

1:07:28And he, we went. It was a very nice dinner. It was very civilized. I bought a nice gift for like 200 bucks. Nice. Because I, in my mind, thought, oh, dinner was going to be, you know, picked up. And then the next day we got the Venmo. And by the way, I'm not mad at the Venmo. I think that the presentation, I think the conversation needs to happen. I'm a little mad at the Venmo in general. Ben and I, this happened to Ben and I, and I feel like literally it was years ago. We talk about it all the time because it was the craziest thing ever. Like if someone, especially like if your friend is being showered by their partner, it's on the partner, I'm sorry, to figure it out.

1:08:09Yeah. And if you are going to make it this sort of like potluck community event, you got to let me know at least. Also, like say drinks are on me. Yeah. Like are like. Let me bring something. I would have loved it if the partner was like, hey, I have a fixed menu. I'm going to get dinner. But I know y 'all are alcoholics. So bring a bottle. Bring a bottle. Our drinks. You guys are. You guys cover drinks. Yeah. You guys cover drinks. Are, you know, I have appetizers and four bottles of wine on the table. But if you want anything else. Else, please. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think at my big age.

1:08:43Well, that's the other thing. At a certain point, maybe when we're all like 16, 17, even college, young 20s. Sure. We're all living, you know, on the heels of our ass. We can all chip in. Yeah. But everyone's getting married. We're buying houses. Throw your own fucking birthday party. I'm sorry. Like you're 40 or whatever. Not my fucking problem. Just do it. I have my own bills. Just do it. Just do it. Nike. And I wouldn't have brought a$200 gift knowing that I would have to pay$250. Absolutely. And I do love my friend. Of course. It's not about that. It never is about that. It's just about common courtesy.

1:09:13Thank you. I'm sorry that happened to you. That sucks. Our third and final submission. Hi, I'm a first time boy mom due in March. I'm starting to plan my baby shower. My husband and I have kept the news off social media, but we've told friends and family in person for the most part. except my husband hasn't told any of his friends and he's not planning on inviting them to the baby shower. I know he's excited about the baby, but is it just me or is this fucking weird? Straight men are weird. I know. That's actually a really important caveat. Straight men are fucking weird. There's a straight white man sitting behind this mic.

1:09:44And he's just nodding. And he's just nodding. They're fucking weird. By the way, just so you know, if you didn't force your husband to write down every address for your wedding, you would have not seen anyone on his side. And it's not because he doesn't love you or he doesn't care. He just doesn't care about that shit. I do think it's weird. I think there could be like a plausible explanation. I think a lot of people are very superstitious. Perhaps is your husband Jewish? Jewish people are very superstitious. They don't even like to say it until the baby's born. Like you'll be walking around and there's a religious pregnant woman.

1:10:16You're not even supposed to be like, oh, how are you feeling? Oh, is that why you were so weird about being pregnant? Yes, very superstitious. Like you don't do baby showers. So maybe he's superstitious. I don't know. I don't know. It's weird, especially if you're having a shower and you're telling people like. Straits are fucking weird. I don't identify. The bros. You know I'm a power bottom. Oh, I know you are a power fucking bottom. A Dom power bottom, which is like unheard of. When I was like in college, I had this internship and there was this really fun gay guy named Jason who like we were like best friends at the internship.

1:10:46And he basically like gave me a quiz. And he was like, tell me about like what you're like in your relationship, your personality. And he diagnosed me as a power bottom. and ever since then I tell every like gay person I meet that I'm a power bottom and they're like you're totally a dom power bottom though add dom in front of that okay what's dom dom is dominant dominant yeah okay very like a dominant power bottom like right you know most power bottoms are very you know boss submissive most bottoms you mean most like most like power bottoms if you're a power bottom you're only bombing okay okay but I thought it also meant like you're also like bossy and in charge no that's a dom power bottom okay you're a dom power bottom okay i love that i think that should be today's title now there's an obama bottom there's a what obama bottom meaning the biggest bottoms ever okay so that's baba dom power bottom and what's the difference you don't want to know the obama bottoms they're crazy you know what you're right you don't you don't need to know anything about the obama what would you say you are i'm a nice versatile man yes first queen i like it here i like it there i like it everywhere yeah I'm a classy, versatile man.

1:11:54That is so funny. I'm ambidextrous. I love that. A righty and a lefty. I love that. I love you. Well, thank you for helping out the girlies in need. Thank you guys for writing in. Again, thetoastpodcast.com or deartoasters at gmail.com to get your submissions right on air. Justin, it is always an absolute pleasure beyond to have you here with us. And today was no exception. Make sure to follow Justin on Instagram, the artist formerly known as Lady Sitter. It's Justin A. Sylvester on Instagram on all the platforms to see him doing his thing. And follow our podcast, The Yestergaze with Blakely Thornton.

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