The Point Was Not Well Made: Thursday, September 11th, 2025

0:20I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a pardy day. I don't know how pardy of a day one could have. It is 9-11 and I'm sorry. There's just like no good segue into that. Yeah, so it's 9-11. Yeah, no, it's a somber day for sure. 24th anniversary of 9-11. Yesterday was such a terrible day. Charlie Kirk was assassinated. It's just been like so awful and so heartbreaking. and for like I don't know I don't know if everybody like knows who he was but like he was a very prominent and like beloved conservative commentator and it just speaks to like the state of our country that you can't even have open debate because that was really his mo was just like debate like hey right he would go to college campuses and like sit with a mic yeah he basically held q a's like literally just talking like very like moderately calmly and like just a discussion of ideas and so to watch him like get shot everybody saw that video like I think he probably died like at the hospital um and now there's a manhunt underway for the killer like it is just like so terrible so tragic he's a father he has two small children he has a wife like it's just a horrible story it's such a it's like the first thing I've experienced like this in my lifetime I think like it's so crazy I feel like everyone's talking about it and what's been so crazy is like obviously it's like the wildest thing right just being shot and shot in broad daylight like that and like it's it's such a televised not televised but like filmed event like everyone has a video of it like it's so crazy um but seeing like then the discourse unfold online like it really is a reminder how like the internet is the the most horrible place on the planet like the fact that like you can't really even just discuss like this like how sad the event is without being like well what about well okay shut up like okay just chill like something awful just happened yeah it was just and then today i woke up and i was like oh my god it's 9 11 and like something about 9 11 like if in the city like whenever people talk about 9 11 like that day the first thing they remark on is the weather yeah they were like it was the perfect day and i'm telling you every 9 11 since jackie it is the most insanely gorgeous day outside not a cloud in the sky a little it's so eerie i feel like it's exactly what the weather was like um on that day so there's just like a weird vibe in the city today like when you walk around everyone's like you know everyone's thinking it um and it always like i feel like we say this every year but it's such a reminder that there are like plenty of people alive who weren't alive for that and like for us it marked such i feel like a lot of people like it changed their whole lives right like there was a before and there was an after yeah and so there are just people like with jobs walking around who like don't even know what we're talking about and it's so crazy yeah well they know what we're talking about but like to have like lived it oh i'm sorry they know what we're talking about that's not what i meant they they weren't it's just like an event in history history as opposed to like something that you lived through that just like really changed the world like hiroshima you know like it was crazy back then but now it's something like in the textbook yeah yeah and so the fact that there are people on earth like who lived it and people who didn't it's just so weird yeah so thinking today of everyone who lost their lives everyone who gave their lives yeah first responders you know actually when I went to the U.S.

3:41Open um I was chit-chatting with my driver and he was like oh I'm a former FDNY firefighter and you know he was like a certain age and I'm like oh were you I was like the first thing I thought I'm like were you you know at ground zero and he was like yeah I'm like does everyone ask you that he's like literally everyone And he was like, we were part of the cleanup crew. So they weren't there on the day of. They like went down because he was like South Queens. But it's just like in the heartbeat of the city, like people who either live here now or were there at the time. It's just like this sort of ever present thing.

4:14And once a year, like everybody takes the time to really remember it and tell stories of the day. Like, of course, like the best of us running towards danger, like really just like. There are so many stories, right? Like, you know, because it's thousands of people. But it's just it's always a weird day, like especially when I don't know why I feel like so I'm always talking about the weather when it comes to 9-11 because it's like it was like the perfect backdrop for this tragedy. Right. And today it's just like it's the same exact weather. Yeah, that's spooky. So, yeah, it's just an off day. Not super pargy, I would say, but we are here to bring the parge as best as we can.

4:56and we'll get there and the story's actually good and like we'll we'll swirl around but like it would be remiss to not just talk about like the tone in the air the feeling in the country and just like the tragic events of the last 24 hours and 24 years ago no and seriously like i'm not even saying this as a joke how did we get here how do we get out yeah now i don't know how else to transition so i'm just going to talk about something like a little silly okay okay so we sit in these chairs right and i don't know if you know about me i always put like a bolster behind this pillow i can see it sometimes yeah so i'm like pushed forward because my feet don't touch the ground and you always sit in the chair as like god intended oh well thank you my feet don't touch the ground either no i know and i always think it's like so weird that you choose not to like follow me and do like the bolster thing no you look like you're always trying to like leave the show well because of my coxodynia like this okay yes yes because of my coxodynia i have to We Patreoned and I think Claudia ended the podcast standing up.

5:55Okay. Obviously you don't have like sympathy or understanding of what living with coccidinia is like, but you know, it's okay as we're used to it. No, I, um, I have sympathy. I have my own aches and pains. And so I really, um, I'm just looking out for number one here, you know? So all's that to say is I've scooted back because I always look fatter than you, even though I am, but like, I don't need to look at every day. Um, cause I'm always more close to the camera. Now I'm backed up. um my legs are dangling off like this is such a weird way to stand I can't believe you sit like this every day it's never bothered me and I was actually just thinking about our pargy set design and how we really crush that um and how I love these chairs and how I can't believe we used to sit in the chairs that we sat in oh my god no wonder I have coccidinia we might as well have been sitting in like chairs that you would sit in at a desk at school like just like a chair no and I actually uh like what compensation I definitely deserve workers comp because my My coxedinia is 100 % related to being forced to sit in that crazy boucle chair that was so hard and so thin.

6:57Like there was no cushion. It was. I deserve workers comp. No, it's like it's a nice looking chair. And like when it's in like your sitting room and you're just there to like sit. But to plop down. It's what the kids call an accent chair. Plop down for an hour and a half every day. And like, you know, you're supposed to be comfortable, which will breed great discourse. I can't believe we did it in those chairs for so long. And I'm so grateful to these chairs. I think they're fab. And if our show back then had like a negative tenor to it, that's why. But it didn't even because we're such professionals.

7:27Because you can't stop the beat, right? Exactly. So shout out to these chairs. I just wanted to take a moment of appreciation. I know like the frames get all the glory. But like the chairs deserve. All of the frames get all the grit, honestly. None of the glory. They're really the face of the show. So they get both. They get like all the praise when it's good. and all the criticism when it's bad. So true. I watched the final episode of The Summer I Turned Pretty, which was actually not the final episode of The Summer I Turned Pretty. I don't know why I just assumed that the 72-minute long 10th episode was going to be, or was that the finale?

8:05No. Why is it so confusing? Because, like, why wouldn't it be? But it didn't end. Like. Was it good? No. Jerry and Belly together? No, there's another one. Okay, there's another one. I just want to say I'm so sick of this show Belly's like living in Paris and she thinks that like you know she's so classic like I'm just gonna like I blew up my life so I'm gonna go live in Paris and like be Emily like she's literally being Emily and she's still like the same dumb bitch except she's wearing red lipstick and she thinks that like the red lipstick is like and I get what they're doing like the red lipstick is supposed to mark like a visual change in Belly she looks like a clown she looks like Miranda sings like she's getting her hair cut and she's like she's chopping her hair off because she's like having an existential crisis so she's telling the lady in the mirror like yeah she's like are you sure you want to yeah I'm sure she's wearing this like stupid red lipstick i hate this show and i'm not rooting for anyone uh so when does she get back together with conrad next i don't know i don't know i'm like they're just taking too long i'm changing the ending for the show where it's like she chooses herself okay i just want to say i hate when people choose themselves like you can do both actually you could like have a romantic partner and also like put yourself first.

9:15Like in choosing love you are choosing yourself. Well that's another way of looking at it but you can also like do the hard work, work on yourself, grow, become the person you want to be whilst in a relationship. I don't like that like TV and movies are always teaching us that those two are mutually exclusive. They're literally not. It's so crazy that you could have like two potential suitors that you're toggling between for 10 years because they're both so fabulous and both so in love with you and like you're like no I think I'm gonna like go with neither of them and then eventually like a third perfect candidate for me is gonna come along.

9:38Is that what you're saying? Right. You get three great loves in your life. please it's such a frustrating show to watch and like i'm not into it anymore i'm just like waiting for them to play the taylor swift songs that's literally it yeah yeah it sounds really bad like when you it is her and her stupid red lipstick i couldn't get over it and like they do a lot of like subtle um product placement on the show and i was just waiting for like a revlon you know but it wasn't and if i'm a makeup brand like i don't want nobody wants to claim it maybe they saw the footage maybe they sponsored it saw the footage and said never mind forget it take control z keep our name out your mouth literally so that's what I did last night just like keeping up with our tween demographic because you know we're huge with the Gen Z's and I just want them to know like yeah I'm watching the same show as you I'm young and hip I might have had a baby but I'm still extremely cool but they like the show so does you not liking the show like it's exactly old?

10:30it shows my age I will say I think the people critiquing the show are like the older people

10:38I think but I don't know I don't know. Yeah. What are what do they say like on TikTok like when you see people like love it. It's like a cultural phenomenon. They just eat up everything. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're showing your age. But that's a bridge too far. Like you can't watch a show for the young people and then also pretend to like it for the young people. And then start lying. Like that's crazy. No that's not what we do here. I just really loved those books. I was definitely like a little too old to be reading them but I really enjoyed them and I do think for the most part they've adapted the show quite well but like they're really making a meal out of this reunion.

11:11And it's like, I tuned into the show for three seasons just to see the reunion. Like, what am I going to get at this point? Less than an episode of them together. Maybe they're preparing for Shayla. Shayla's big return. Shayla's big return. I love that. Let me know if it happens. I'll tune in. I'll keep you updated on Shayla's big grand reveal. Can't wait. What's it with you? Not too much. um what did I watch last night I I'm ready to start something new I heard like Love is Blind Denver is out is it out I saw that Netflix just released like pictures of the people oh okay you can't go by those pictures by the way ready to dive into a new season of Love is Blind Love is Blind UK didn't do it for me but it gave me like you know the appetite for it like if I just looked at the pictures from Love is Blind UK and I think a lot of the contestants like posted their photos they were like don't don't look at me um those pictures are so cruel towards the contestants Agreed So I don't want to Have any preconceived notions I won't be looking at the photos But I'm excited for the season to start I was actually going to start Perfect Match Because you know My girl Juliet was on it Jess And Freddie Yes And by the way I know the outcome Of Freddie's time on the show Do you?

12:22Based on what No I don't Based on what you know Should I watch? No Okay He gets together With someone who I know you know From a different show Who? And you Do you want me to tell you? Yeah Yeah now that you said no so remember the most previous season of love is blind where um there was like the love triangle with ben platt and that girl madison yeah freddie and like matched with uh madison and they're like together on the show although they announced afterwards that they didn't make it you know after the show wrapped okay that's good i guess like that would be worse him being with someone that like i don't love for him right um but i do need him on more shows oh i forgot to tell you huge update in my life i got a water machine and you didn't forget to tell me oh sorry i forgot to tell you on the show yeah i saw you consuming your water raving yeah like it's one of those machines that like just water comes out of you know like a water machine um yeah i've used it twice already i'm drinking water today slay the house down boots just like i don't know kind of grown girl shit health things yeah and once i told ben like it's like i can't even just have something you know I told him I'm like I got a water machine he's like we should get one for the house I'm like well we shouldn't because it's big and black and ugly it's fine for the office but not for my home he was like well I really need it like for my sourdough so you know what you have you have a water cooler are you gonna be having chats if only I had like co-workers we would like just just to talk to them around your water cooler oh Ben did start his loaf this morning I have to update everyone I know he texted me saying it's bread day I said keep me updated You FaceTimed me because he had a question.

14:02I am very excited for the two of you on your journey. I mean, I personally feel like I've been lied to. I thought I would have bread for like the last week. I've just been like watching this smelly, yeasty mason jar on my counter grow mold. And so I'm ready to like receive a product. Yeah, it will still be like another 24 hours, but yeah. You're getting close. Maybe like Friday night dinner. But Ben woke up today like, it's coronation day. He was like, it's bread day. Great. Every day is bread day. Monday, Tuesday, bread day. I need to make a loaf. I feel like my loaves that I made last week, they're so good, by the way, but I feel like they're about to mold and then I'm going to have nothing.

14:37I made a loaf this morning. A pargy loaf? Yeah, just like my morning loaf. Don't be yucky. Don't be yucky. Why? I don't have a period because I'm breastfeeding. You don't actually say a lot of people don't know. You don't get a period while you're breastfeeding, part of the reason why I'm doing it. Well, not everyone. Everyone's different. People get their period when they're breastfeeding. Not you. The doctor said, like, no, you don't. No, no, no. it's not 100 % for everyone. Some people get their period back while they're breastfeeding. I didn't. You haven't. No, I don't think that that's true.

15:07It literally is true. Slay the house down. Yeah, like no period. So like if I can't talk about that bodily function, I'm going to have to talk about something else. And speaking of bodily functions, Jackie and I recorded a Patreon episode. Speaking of periods. Yes, we did a little update. New mama stuff, pregnancy stuff with Jackie, checking in with her, checking in with me. It was hilarious. And yeah, you're not becoming a leader in the space. For sure. She's so open. She's so vulnerable. Oh, did you see? Is this a story that Nina Dobrev and Sean White have broken up? I did see. I'm up. I just briefly checked my phone during, you know, a little production moment.

15:42And, okay, so I didn't know if you had it for your stories. Yeah, I did. I'm up on the trades. Okay, okay. Yeah, of course. I don't know why I expected anything else. Yeah. Well, if you want to get into it, we could get into it. How are the stories today? There's no segment today. It's just a regular episode of The Toast. Sorry, everyone. It was so exciting yesterday. we had our segment everyone was talking did you see us getting hate for our segment i saw like three people were disgruntled that the segment wasn't like juicy enough like no that they said it was only one submission not three like you guys it was an extra like i seriously dtq i can't even defend you anymore like please stop coming for my neck and then they were like and the submission wasn't even that good and i didn't like i thought it was really good no um it was an extra like it was a fun extra i believe the words you were looking for are thank you yeah like you're well Welcome.

16:29My God. Like, I seriously, I used to come from a place of, like, understanding with the DTQ. And now I'm coming from a place of hate. Like, seriously, get off my back. Yeah, that was really crazy. But it was only, like, a couple people. It wasn't, like, the overwhelming response to this episode. But still, like, come on, guys. Do better. Just, like, enjoy the bonus. The bonus Jonas. Speaking of the bonus. No, I'm kidding. I had nothing to say about the bonus Jonas. Oh, okay, cool. Okay, so let's get into the story, shall we? Without further ado, ado, ado, ado, it is time for the Fast Five Stories that you, do need to know.

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22:05So Nina Dobrev and Sean White have, against all odds, been dating. It's so true. It was like a fun fling that we all just were into it. Two different worlds coming together. Did they get engaged? Yeah, they got engaged October 2024. So I guess it's been a year. Shit or get off the pot. They started dating in 2019. And you know what? I'm surprised by this. I feel like they were going to go the distance. Who gets Miles Teller in the divorce? I think she does. Yeah, because of her close relationship with Kelly. Yeah, I think. But maybe him and Sean will remain friends for a little bit until it becomes unfeasible.

22:44Yeah, this is so interesting because it was like this random thing. They were spotted together, and it definitely seemed like a fun night out or whatever, but it turned into this really fun, cute relationship. They were friends with so many celebrities. They were always spotted out. I think for Nina, it was a great get because for so long, Nina was just the girl. And I didn't keep up with Vampire Diaries, but it's actually crazy how famous she is when she, I know she's worked since then, but not in anything meaningful. But she's sort of like the Jennifer Aniston. There was like a love triangle and she was the injured party.

23:11And that was just like always her thing. They were always talking about, I think it was Ian, right? I don't know. And Nikki. Yeah, obsessed. And they're still together and they like live a quiet life and she has one pair of jeans that she wears every day. Yeah, she's one of those people, Nikki Reed, who like gave up all her material earthly items. Could never be me. so when she got in this new relationship I was like actually really happy for her because it looked really cute but also like it took her out of this narrative finally of being like this loser in the triangle like the girl who lost um and I really thought they were I didn't even think about them I'm like they're just a couple you know they're together forever I thought they would eventually get married I didn't even think about them when it came to people like who could possibly be breaking up yeah it's a loss for sure huge um and I'm not even excited like who will they date next nothing would be more like exciting than this like bridging two different worlds bringing together they were very social couple they were always like with other couples they went through covid together i think she gave him a haircut you know they've been through a lot i do feel like it's possibly not the end like this could be a breakup that maybe pushes them finally down the aisle i don't know i'm shocked by this yeah i feel like it's the end the source that They're saying that it was a mutual decision, wasn't an easy one, but it was made with love and a deep respect for one another.

24:29Sure. Wait, so you love each other? Stay together. If you have so much respect. That's all you can hope for in a relationship is love and deep respect. Those are two really good starting out points. And you know it's not like scheduling because she's really not that busy as an actress and he is retired. Well, I want to say, like, do you think maybe she fell in love with her co-star from It Happened One Summer? Because that's what that movie needs. Agreed, but no. It would be great for the movie, but no. Why no? Because I think, like, what she had with Sean was better than that. Do you know what I mean?

25:08Like a fling. You don't think seeing Tyler Hochul as the fisherman? And I don't even think they've started production. So, like, that would be crazy if they started fucking. weathering the storm no store what did he call it when he would give her a hug a charging station oh my god that's such a niche reference from the book how do you remember that cute yeah charging station that is cute like how could she not fall for him in his charging station jackie they haven't started yet maybe at the table read she got charged up maybe i don't think they've table red yet maybe screen testing this is really crazy like i do wonder what breaks up a couple like that like they don't have real problems you know i could see him being a little non-committal like maybe there was never gonna be a wedding maybe uh you know he's kind of dicking her around a little bit and she was a shit off get off the pod situation right and so she has to get off the ride i weirdly know a lot about sean white because ben made me watch his documentary which was very good actually on netflix um and he he like means a lot to like a certain generation of men my husband included like he's literally ben's idol i've actually been thinking a lot about who are ben's idols because ben has like a lot of different personalities um and last night i was actually thinking um of who are ben's idols and i think this is who Ben's idols are Jack Black Stanley Chucci okay I would go as far to say Sean White like he's definitely in there and then somebody like musical what about like Kobe he loves no but who's Ben's favorite basketball player it was like John Wall who was like this Nick yeah like let me I'm gonna ask Ben hold on I feel like it was Kobe he was really affected by the passing he was but I think all young men were right no but i think he's just like everyone's all young men like their idol stanley tucci really stanley tucci yes i feel like between stan between jack black and ina garten like you have stanley tucci covered no i think ben like really respects like his masculine approach to like the culinary space honestly okay stanley tucci jack black what about a basketball player who's i feel like i'm forgetting who's well jaylen brunson but like That's new.

27:31That is new. Jalen Brunson didn't raise him. No, John Wall. Did Michael Jordan? No, that's not John Wall. No. What's the guy's name? John Stark? What about John Wall is like a random. Like, no. He's not a Jordan guy? No. Who are like the great basketball players? Wayne Gretzky. He plays hockey. No, I know. But he's like someone who's like an iconic sportsman. Like a lot of young men look up to. iconic sportsman of new york is wayne gretzky new york he's a ranger oh i didn't know that i have to think no it's john stark for sure not john wall yeah i got confused john wall's a different basketball player influential no ben like tells the story and john stark is also like because he's like a very famous nick he moves in a lot of jewish circles because like literally only nicks fans are like young jewish boys and i believe john stark was like at ben's bar mitzvah or something.

28:28What about Derek Jeter? Ben wasn't huge into baseball. Like really Ben's like, he loves basketball. Not Mike Piazza? No. No. I know Mike Piazza is your idol. Yeah, what about any football players? Tim Tebow? No. Mark Sanchez? That's my idol. Yeah. Where is he? He's in my TMs actually, Mark Sanchez, because we spoke about him once on the toast and he messaged me and I just like didn't answer because I felt weird. So moving on. I can't. Right. I seriously can't. If I talked about you on the toast, I do not message me. Do not come. OK, no, please stop. Did we learn nothing from Tariq? Like stop it.

29:13Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Kylie Kelsey said she's made a very conscious effort not to discuss Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's engagement. So Kylie Kelsey hopped on the pod today to address some rumors swirling because I guess she never talked about the engagement on her podcast since they've gotten engaged. She didn't congratulate the couple. She must have been getting so much backlash because she felt the need to address it on her podcast today. She said, quote, I have made a very conscious effort to not discuss Taylor and Travis on this podcast because news outlets, tabloids and AI, quite frankly, like to post quotes from whatever I say in reference to them.

29:50she um said that like pretty much like she has a private relationship with them if she has something to say or congratulate them like she just texts them she doesn't need to say it on the show she hates when people just like take what she says either one out of context or two like make a whole meal out of it and it's like hey you know eyes up here i'm doing a show i totally agree with her sentiment like what she's actually saying is like no she doesn't need to make a comment every time something happens to people who are not her like but that's like not but also like that's not even what it's not a comment it's it just it's a woohoo like you know but it becomes a news story like i know what she's saying it's annoying it's the biggest story in the country you know it's not like you just like skipped over your brother-in-law's personal news like the biggest story in country she does a podcast every week where they like talk about relevant items like her husband and his podcast like talked about it literally going out of your way to not talk about it and like i listened to the clip of her talking about it like she had a fucking attitude like she was hostile i'm sorry if anything like i think more than ever now and i've always thought like these two like definitely have a good relationship because like they both want it to work and like they're not trying to like start stuff but if they were in high school like they would hate each other right they're polar opposite in terms of personality taylor is like glittery fun like um it's funny because in this picture of them side by side like they literally could be sisters they are sisters but well they are sisters they just seem like two totally different personality types um who wouldn't be friends like the chill girl and the right chill right right exactly um and I've always thought that like they're actually not a good match friendship wise but there's probably no bad blood and there probably isn't bad blood but like I don't know Kylie's like unnecessarily like harsh in her tone because I don't agree disagree with what she's saying at all like it's like why do I have to make a comment all the time but like you do like you do yeah and here's like I feel like if she never said anything I would have like less concern because I understand why she doesn't talk about them there are a lot of things that you could say as to why like she wouldn't talk about them Donna wouldn't like it's it's this larger than life sort of thing you don't want to like step in Taylor's world you don't want to say the wrong thing can I play the clip I feel like sure could I finish what I was saying oh sorry yeah sorry that was so rude yeah sorry sorry you got and I do think sometimes like you can't explain yourself Like she would have been better off not explaining herself because it's not reading a hundred percent, even though they might have a fine relationship and things are fine.

32:17But like sometimes people will never understand what you're trying to say or understand the full picture. And it's like not worth explaining yourself because you can only do it halfway. No. And so she didn't congratulate them because she didn't want it to become a story. But now like her addressing the non addressing is becoming the story. And it's like it's negative. Yeah. And like she could always have these reasons in her head for why she doesn't talk about them. And I think there are plenty more than what she just said. But trying to explain it, it's really hard for people to understand. And this is the explanation.

32:49And I just want to say, I understand what she's saying. Her tone makes me think like she doesn't even believe what she's saying. Because what she's saying and how she's saying it are totally different. A very conscious effort to not discuss Taylor and Travis on this podcast. Is this on 1.5? I don't know. When I listened to it, it sounded like sped up. So I feel like that we need to know that. Okay. I have made a very conscious effort to not discuss Taylor and Travis on this podcast because news outlets, tabloids, and AI, quite frankly, like to post only the quotes that they grab from whatever I say in reference to them.

33:32And here's where I think there is a disconnect. People do not realize that you at home, you have your family. And in your family, you might have a brother-in-law and they might be dating someone. You might have a soon-to-be sister-in-law. But you have a relationship personally with them that no one else is involved in because it's your relationship. And so I don't need to come out here. Pause. I just want to say that point was not well made. I don't even know what she's saying, honestly, about my sister-in-law. She's saying something. The point was not well made, which is like it's it's an impossible task to try and explain yourself go on it is and also like you might have a sister-in-law right but not but no i'm saying not all of you are public figures that's like it's not a relatable analogy yes i have a sister-in-law she is not a public figure i would never like put her on blast here or talk about like what's going on in her life she's a private citizen like that's it's not a relatable analogy no it's not because like if your sister-in-law got engaged like you say congratulations nobody's like looking to you for anything else else right um point was not on my statements when i already talked to them you see what i'm saying no we know that you talked to them we didn't think that you didn't congratulate them privately we just know you didn't congratulate them publicly so we were like what's going on we weren't by the way pause oh yeah i didn't even think that i didn't even notice it and now i'm like noticing stuff my shit i don't need you to take my comments and try and dissect it i think it goes without being said i am okay i would agree with her wholeheartedly if she didn't host a podcast she's like begrudgingly famous yeah I get it she's like she's she's the opposite of she does not want this life but she does have a podcast and she is a part of this so like I would agree with what everything she was saying if she wasn't saying it on her own weekly podcast that's like not devoid from like her relevant topics and relevant topics in the world she talks about her family she talks about what's going on in the world so like what's going on in the world with your family is Taylor.

35:32Yeah. So incredibly happy for them. We are so excited that they are taking this next step. The girls are so excited to get another aunt. I am so truly happy for them. And I feel so happy for them. And I feel so grateful that we get to welcome Taylor into our family in a more official capacity. And I just feel like when you have to say it, like I expected that you're happy for them. I'm expecting the girls are so excited when you have to say it, it just reads wrong. And I just want to say if I'm Taylor and I'm hearing this, I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy you know but and that's why it's like and then kylie will like if she heard this sort of criticism she would be like well this is why i didn't say anything and for me i'm like and you should have stayed not saying anything because there's really nothing that you can say that's ever gonna like wash away if people have this sort of like niggling concern which i didn't even i can understand that they're just sister-in-laws you ended up saying something and what you said wasn't just congratulations, you know?

36:27Like, because if you weren't going to say anything, say nothing. Stick to that. I love that. I really do. And like, knowing your heart that you've been there for them and of course you're close and the whole world is crazy. Right, right. But the fact that you did end up doing a segment on your podcast about it and it wasn't just like, congrats. Yeah. Yeah. But it's our private relationship. So that's my brother-in-law, Travis, and my soon-to-be sister-in-law, Taylor. And so I don't need to talk about them. all the time. Our relationship is private between us. It's giving bad blood. Like, I'm telling you, she seems mad.

37:00Yeah, it's giving angry. But, like, that's also just, like, her schtick also. You have to realize, like, her tone in her podcast is, like, you know, yelling at everyone. Yeah, she's very, like, this is how, not, sorry, not gonna lie. Like, this is how it is. She's, like, yell at everyone. Literally us. Yeah, so it's, like, when you take it out of context, like, you're, like, oh, why is she like talking like this right now but she talks like that about everything on her podcast but again we are taking it out of context like you said we would do and you just should have like had enough confidence and like knowing that like you guys have a great relationship this is how you want to run your show you don't want to like feed the beast and it's like this huge thing in your brother and sister-in-law's life and like you're not going to address it which like it's okay whatever but then you did address it and so like you should have just addressed it when it happened and said congratulations but now like i don't know if i'm taylor maybe like they have like a really good strong relationship they're best friends like nothing can break them but if i'm taylor i'm like okay yeah it's a little rude yeah not perfectly done i would say and ben says his sports idols are kobe carmelo anthony amari statermeyer and derek jeter i just don't feel like he ever i'm two out of four i know i just don't feel like he ever talks about these people like honestly i feel like he doesn't know what he's like i'm misunderstanding the word idol no but i also feel like at the time that they shaped him as a young man like you weren't his wife so like maybe he doesn't talk about them anymore but like maybe they were formative in his life and i just want to say i'm 50 there yeah you were and there was no john stark yeah like i feel like john stark is from game of thrones what is basketball players the name who i'm thinking of that he's obviously not like a household name no he's not that's the thing he's not