The Problematic Gringo: Thursday, May 1st, 2025

26:57No, stop. Elizabeth Moss. You have seriously slandered. I don't know why Elizabeth Olsen doesn't sue us. Peggy Olsen. Peggy Olsen, Elizabeth Moss, Handmaid's Tale, Mad Men. She is a big Scientology swirly. And like she gets like press and media interviews and like nobody talks about it the way they talk about Tom. It does come up every time she is promoting Handmaid's Tale. Well, isn't that a little on the nose? On the nose. Yeah. You know, Scientology is known for like making women give birth with like their legs chained up. like really terrible for women and the handmaid's tale has a lot of like you know terrible for women vibes too so it's a little it's a little on the nose yeah so it comes up then yes got it okay are you ready for our next story yeah bill belichick released a statement after his interview with his girlfriend jordan went very viral so i learned a lot from the statement that he released first of all did you know that he's a coach for the unc tar heels that he's a college football coach right now he's in his first year actively actively because the statement came from university of north carolina they said our coach released a statement so like that's what he's doing that's weird um i didn't know that yeah like is that not weird who knows weird yeah okay um he said this is what he said i'm gonna give it space so that we can evaluate because he said i agree i read it and i literally didn't understand it he said i agreed to speak with CBS this morning to promote my new book The Art of Winning Lessons for My Life in Football prior to this interview I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon & Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book.

28:40I'm sure he had like red lines around his relationship and I feel like anytime you do an interview like you request that you not speak about things that you don't want to speak about. Right the publication has no responsibility obligation. But it's like what's done you know. Right. Like things for most of the time I feel like it's just like a verbal agreement like you're not here to expose me like we're talking about my book yeah that's what he thought he was going into sometimes like you could people push it if there's a big thing going on like in your life and you know the expectation is that you're not supposed to talk about it at all i feel like most outlets like actually wouldn't agree to that but they would agree to like one pre-approved question right they might not agree to it but to agree like okay we won't talk about those things and then bring it up is a real curveball cbs said we said no such thing.

29:28Okay, well this is what he said. Unfortunately, that expectation was not on her during the interview. I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter, Tony, and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered are on the book. After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point to help refocus the discussion. She was not deflecting any specific question or topic, but simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track. Some of the clips make it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met but we have been open about the fact that jordan and i met on a flight to palm beach in 2021 the final eight minute segment does not reflect the productive 35 minute conversation we had which covered a wide range of topics related to my career instead it presents selectively edited clips and stills from just a few minutes of the interviews to suggest a false narrative that jordan was attempting to control the conversation which is simply not true okay i think that two things can be true right i do think jordan was attempting to control the conversation Like I saw what I saw.

30:22And like now I'm on to her completely. But also, hi, Bill Belichick. Is this your first time in media? Like this is what they do. You sit down for 35 minutes. You know the segment's not going to be 35 minutes. And you know they're going to take what they want. So you have to like give them the least amount of, what's the word I'm looking for? Like tea or like leads to go on. Like you have to behave. And I hate when people act like this is their first day on planet Earth. Like this is what the media does. Like you don't like it? Go on a podcast and sit and talk for two hours. and the whole thing will be cut.

30:52That's not edited. Yeah, but the way that he describes it, and I do still think like Jordan is taking advantage of an old man. And the fact that he's like coaching college football after winning eight Super Bowls, like I'm confused. I'm shocked, yeah. But she's taking advantage of an old man. She has an$8 million real estate portfolio. Like he needs to work. I, yes, I saw that. However, I do think that they painted a little bit of a picture where like she, so first of all, he's saying that they work together too. Like she does his PR and social media. So like she was acting the way a publicist would act.

31:21Also, Gronk and Julian Edelman did a podcast together talking about this. And I thought they would be like, you know, everyone else like clowning on these two. But no, they said, Julian Edelman said, people are giving an unfair reality of what's going on. He said she was jumping into that conversation during the interview, just like any PR person would jump in when there's an unnecessary question that they probably didn't go over in the pre-production meeting. That's true. He said he heard Jordan is playing the role of Bill's advisor and handling all of his business inquiries and social media platforms.

31:54He said, when you look at this situation and you say, oh, this is his girlfriend jumping in, I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with Coach Belichick in the professional world. And she probably went and said, hey, no, we're not doing that. And then he said, doesn't that always happen whenever you do an interview? Do you not have a representative there? Gronk agreed with his former teammates reasoning and claim that no one has put the ex cheerleaders profession. Jordan's role in Bill's life hand in hand together. Like people are missing the professional piece. And then if you think about her acting as his PR representative, what she did is well within the bounds of her job.

32:30What they do. It's just newsworthy because she's the girlfriend and she's doing it. So now we see it. But she's 50 years younger than him. If she was just an unnamed individual being like, we're not talking about that, that wouldn't be newsworthy. No, even though I do love when publications keep in, when publicists chime in. Like when The New Yorker was interviewing Ben Platt and just asked about the fact that he's only had, he's super talented. But your dad's a big time producer and that's why you are where you are. And literally he wouldn't even acknowledge it. That just made him look like a big time loser.

33:02But The New York Magazine or New Yorker, whoever it was, kept in the fact that his publicist chimed in. I loved that. So yes, it is common for a person in that position, whether it's a publicist or like a brand manager, to chime in. But I think the fact that she's his publicist or whatever advisor they said, I think that's crazy. And I also, it's so funny. I feel like people tried to make me care about Bill Belichick and his five-year-old girlfriend for a couple of months now. Every time they posted on Instagram, it was newsworthy. And I'm like, why do I give a fuck? I don't. I thought it was just that he was dating someone like so young and like how gross is this dirty old man like dating yeah a 21 year old and i didn't care about bill belichick before so i just didn't think it was worth getting invested in now it's all i think about this particular clip has totally changed everything for me um and i do still have suspicions yes her being an official team member for him is better yeah i think the interview i I'm now on alert and there's definitely like.

34:03Red flags. American greed. Stacey look into this. Jen Shaw. But I do think CBS this morning like did them really dirty. Yes, yes. They were looking. But it's so easy to do them dirty. Like people are really interested in them and they're not hiding. They're like out in the open. Yeah. And the shirt. Which like apparently someone said like he always wears shirts with holes. That's just not how I want to be known. Not only that, but get a new shirt. Yeah. What about a shirt without holes? There are people who have no choice but to wear holes in their shirts. And here you are, big time magazine editor.

34:41Buy a shirt. Your girlfriend has an$8 million real estate portfolio. That's a new story that came out about her. People are looking into her. Yeah. And she's 24. She was in high school literally five years ago. So it's definitely impressive. And I think a lot of people are wondering how. Yeah, she's definitely taking the old man's money. It's giving heartbreakers. You can rely on the old man's money. Bill Belichick is Gene Hackman. She's Sigourney Weaver. Bill Belichick, I feel like vomiting. Yeah, she's Sigourney Weaver. Except he seems in on it. I feel like he's like, listen, take my money. Work for me.

35:18Spread them. Like, we're in it together. Yeah, I do. Like, I have a lot of concerns. I do. I'm sorry. For Bill. yeah but also unless he's suffering in a mental capacity like that is a grown man making his own decisions he is in his 70s like i don't even know he could be suffering in mental capacity but like that's not even been mentioned no he wrote a book tom girardi he wrote a book right how incapacitated could he be let's not let that and you know i'm sure he's bummed that the book sort of taking a seat to all the drama yeah i didn't even know that that interview was in service of a book like i just was obsessed with the clip the acknowledgments where he said jordan is my news and my advisor but it's called the art of winning i think it's on stands now pick it up at a local bookstore so jordan could get another house like why don't you help out your local heartbreaker your local sigourney she's a gen oh no she's sigourney jennifer love hewitt had a heart yeah no she had like a moral conflict but don't you feel like that's interesting about gronk and edelman that they did not like it's very well of bill belichick that they're not like piling on coach belichick it's like when you have a teacher yeah you just can't help but call them like mr levine yeah yeah even though he's like i'm dead yeah um okay that's the latest there and then a little more sports news because Kylie Jenner and Timothy Chalamet shared a courtside kiss on a loved up date night at the Lakers game they're so touchy it's really crazy like every time I see pictures and videos of them IRL I'm like oh they're the PDA couple like who's making out in front of your locker and you need them to move so you can get your books yeah but they're so cool that you can't ask them and so you have to go to class without your books and get detention so She'll just get an F, yeah.

37:15She looked fabulous. Like, Courtside is, it's like going, there are a couple, I feel like Courtside is very public, right? You know that if you go, there's lots of photos. It's also NBA playoffs. So, like, all eyes are on you. And I feel like a lot of celebrities actually don't go on dates Courtside because of the public element of it. Even though it's, like, a fun thing to do. Sometimes maybe they'll go to a suite. You get, like, worse photos of them in a suite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like a live cam on you when you're courtside. The whole stadium is taking videos of you because they're also taking videos of the players and you're in the background.

37:46You're right there. Yeah. And I think a lot about the pictures of Carly Closs and Taylor Swift drinking beers and black turtlenecks at the Knicks game. Like how many photos we got of them just doing that. Like and nobody nobody goes like celebrities go all the time, but they don't go on dates. Yeah. And so this was a choice, a public choice. So what do you think this means for the Met Gala? It's really crazy because Timothee Chalamet like is a big Knicks fan. He was just, he's been at like almost all the Knicks playoff games so it's just kind of like traitorous energy. But he did just buy a house in LA to be closer to Kylie and Stormi so maybe he's switching sides.

38:21I think he's trying to get into her interests. What does this mean for the Met Gala? Yeah, we are underratedly three, four days out from the Met Gala. All the fake guest lists have started to surface. But they're not fake because there's like the obvious people who go to the Met Gala. Kim Kardashian. Cara Delevingne. Lala Anthony. Like yeah, She works for Vogue now. She's always at the top of the carpet. Billie Eilish. Yes. I don't think it's so crazy to say that they would go together. Although, have they walked a carpet together? No. They go to a lot of events together, but they arrive separately.

38:51But, like, all the events, a lot of the events that they've gone to together have been for Timothy's work. And I think Kylie doesn't want to take away from that. And she really just shows up as, like, Timothy's plus one in his support system and doesn't want to, like, walk the red carpet with him. I think the Met Gala is, like, so neutral. It's like they're both invited on their own. Neither of them are there to like promote any one thing. This is the thing that they can do together as the first time because the first one's going to get the most attention. I won't be surprised either way. If they walk it together, I think it's the perfect time.

39:21If they don't, I will respect the fact that they're still keeping an element of privacy to their relationship, even though it does feel like they keep you go to Coachella, you know, everyone's going to see you. You go to Laker game courts. Like it feels like they're going to public places knowing what that entails. They're living without abandon. They're coming out of the shadows. Yes. It's almost like how Imrule was undocumented. And now that he's not, he refuses to live in darkness. Yeah. So maybe that's what happened here. Yeah. Maybe. I'm excited for the Met Gala. High alert for that. Yeah, that will be fun.

39:55You will love it. You will love it. Even though don't leave your house that day in the city. It's the worst fucking time to be out and about. Yeah. Because there's just gridlock everywhere. At least it's in service of greatness. Fabulousness. Yeah. Not like loser dumb. Not like the UN. Yeah, right. So that'll be fun. Monday's episode. Well, Tuesday's episode. Tuesday and Wednesday for the after parties. I mean, Thursday, Friday too. Are you ready for our next story? Number four. Am I? I feel like I'm not. I feel like you're not. Why would you be? Is it the fourth story that's brought to you? Oh, I'm so excited by Hill House Home.

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44:26Camilla and Charles. Right. Like when we saw it in the notebook, we loved it. Like, yeah, she left the good man Savannah, but it wasn't her man. And if you're going to empower that, like you also have to empower Prince Charles for choosing Camilla Parker Bowles. And yeah, they cheated. So did Ali and Noah. Yeah. So he did an interview with people and he is setting the record straight on whether or not he believes there should be justice for Lon. Like what are the odds? What are the odds? And I'm glad that like people are thinking critically about the notebook because he was a good man. Yeah. Like you were what we were saying on the Patreon is like it would have been easier if he was like this dick, right?

45:01No. Oh, he was rich. Oh, he loved her. The family loved him. Let me get you this ring. Let me take you dancing. Let me buy this house. Let me do anything for you. And she just didn't want it. Can't relate. Can't relate. So he said, you know, it's funny. I hear a lot of people nowadays have very kindly come up to me and say Lon was the whole package. You were like this wealthy guy and you treated her right and you trusted her and it was a healthy relationship. and Ali and Noah were in an unhealthy, toxic relationship. While I see that and I understand it, he said, I mean, love is love. The dynamic between Ali and Noah and their chemistry was undeniable.

45:30And so I think, yeah, she should have ended up with Noah. That kind of love in that movie can be fiery and it can still be the right thing, the right person to be with. But he's confident that somewhere out there in another fictional universe, Lon has found a happy ending. Yes, yes. Lon was really open to love. Yeah, he said, not that Lon is a bad guy. he's a really good guy but there's another lady out there for him i'm sure that's very happy yeah it's like if noah didn't marry ali he wouldn't have married anyone like anyone else could have made it work with like a lot of women because he he was a very like you know it's like there's a pot for every lid but some lids work with many pots and some lids only work with one pot that's i love that that's always something i think about that all the time with like people even that i know like they're the sort of pot that like can work with a lot of find another cover But then you have sometimes that kooky pot that only goes with its kooky lid.

46:18That you got at a thrift store. Yeah, that you couldn't just put any lid on. That's one of the best analogies you've ever made. I completely agree. I also really respect James Marsden's answer. If he had said, yeah, it would have disrupted the legacy of the W. Yeah, he has to. I think part of being an integral character in an iconic film is you have to sort of respect the legacy of it. Maybe he doesn't feel this way. Maybe he does. But if you then say like, yeah, I agree with everyone. Like, no, you have to leave the movie as is. It's true. And the fact that Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling fell in love on the set.

46:56Like if she had wound up with James, it wouldn't have felt as real. Yeah. No. And the thing was, was that like, it's a little idyllic, right? She loved Noah more. But marriages and relationships are about a lot of things. Love being one of them. and I do believe that she loved Lon not as much and as fiery and as passionately as she loved Noah but it would have been a good marriage for a lot of reasons including the fact that she did like him. She didn't like him as much as she liked Noah like there were other people she liked more but you don't always marry like the fiery guy like you marry the good guy the good husband, the father, the responsible there are other things so yes it's a movie so it's more like fantastical but if I'm applying it to like real life and I'm giving advice to my girlfriends I'm like no the crazy man with the beard who lives in the woods.

47:43It's not your guy. Yeah. It's not your guy. The stable guy who loves you. There's a lot of things on which a marriage can be built. And she did love James Marsden a bit. Yeah. It's a good place to start. But it's a movie. That felt like a real movie. It was a movie. Correct. So important to remember when discussing. But it's funny that this like keeps coming up. Yeah. And this is like a movie trope that I find like not annoying yet. Sometimes people will re-examine old movies. there was room on the door for Jack. And it's like, if I take that conversation one more time, I'm going to blow my fucking brains out.

48:16No, it's so true. I feel like we are getting to a place, though, of like the counterculture of being like, Ellie should have ended up with lawn. Right. No, but right now the conversation doesn't bother me yet. However, overall, if people are saying that, that's like people advocating for making sensible choices. Correct. And I like that trend. We're also reexamining Sharpay Evans' role as villain in the High School Musical. and maybe she was unfairly painted as such. Gabriella was kind of a pick me annoying ass bitch. Yeah, but Sharpay was villainous. I've watched it back like through the lens of justice for Sharpay.

48:50She takes it too far a couple times. Maybe in the first movie, like it was her theater club and like these cool kids came in, they pushed her out because honestly she just wasn't talented enough. So she should have picked a new hobby. But the second movie, she was like really lauding like her wealth over. And she was being like evil. And yeah, she was being like just like a wealthy prick. and that's villain. Like she was being a true villain. She was being like classist. She was being classist. She was like, you're the staff and I'm the guest. Yeah, like seriously. It's like, dude, that's your classmate.

49:20Classist. Yeah. Yeah. And we have had this conversation many times re-examining the villain arc of one Gaston in Beauty and the Beast. Yeah. Now he definitely wasn't a perfect person, but that Belle, she wasn't either. she wasn't either she drove him to madness i'll say that okay yeah yeah and i mean who wouldn't want to like destroy maurice at the end of the movie i do i want to lock him up that's what he did he like locked up maurice so that he could maurice was like kind of crazy he was like the village crazy person yeah no when he locked up maurice i'm like i was like oh you know what maybe you're not such a bad guy yeah but he was wrong for wanting to kill the beast but he didn't know that the beast was a good man.

50:09Like he just saw there's a beast and he has this girl. Like, are you trying to rescue the girl? Like, no, he was deeply misunderstood. No, and also like he was just looking at it and yes, it wasn't what he, what it seemed that they were like falling in love and the beast was actually a man. But I could see why he thought things were that way. Yeah. So, just something to think about. No, it's important to reevaluate age old classics. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Is it our fifth and final story that's going to lead into the TV recap? In a way, because it is some TV news. Two bits of news.

50:42First of all, Nine Perfect Strangers is getting a season two. Okay, I saw people sharing the poster for Nine Perfect Strangers. I'm like, you guys, that show came out three years ago. Well, no, it's getting a season two, even though it was based on a book and the season one was so horrible. Horrible. I actually, let me just tell you, I did not read the book so that I could watch the show because I learned, and it's Leanne Moriarty. I love her books and I like would have read it, but I was like, oh, the show is coming out. I want to like the show. I'm just going to watch the show. Couldn't even finish the show.

51:05it was so bad now it's getting a season two and the cast is like star-studded here you want to hear it so is it like a white lotus where people come to this retreat so none of the characters from season one so none of the characters from season one besides nicole kidman correct because it's her retreat she plays masha and um now there's a new crop of guests who are signing up for her transformative and disturbing retreat okay so it's very wannabe white lotus yeah this is set in the snowy austrian alps nine perfect strangers season two will follow a group of people who have signed up for a multi-day wellness retreat under the guidance of Russian guru Nicole Kidman who uses psychedelic therapy to heal her guests so here who is who's in it that you would know here's a person's face that I recognize Murray Bartlett oh he played season one White Lotus the concierge who spoiler alert dies who poops in the mustache yeah yeah he's he's in it Annie Murphy from Schitt's Creek.

52:02Oh. Very exciting. Christine Baranski from Gilded Age. You know her. Who does she play? A guest, Victoria. In Gilded Age. One of the bitchy aunties, not Cynthia Nixon, the other one. Oh, the older woman? Yeah. Queen. Queen. Dolly DeLeon, I'm not familiar. Macy Richardson Sellers, not familiar. King Princess, not familiar. You don't know King Princess? No. She's like a singer. Oh, cool. Congrats, King. Henry Golding. Crazy Rich Asians. And some. Mark Strong. Family Fucci. That's so weird that we were talking about him not yesterday, and now he's booked a gig. True, but we are always talking about him.

52:48No, we're not. No, we are not, Jackie. We're not. We are not. We are not. Lena Olin. I don't know her. And that's all. This kind of seems like really loser-y, like to just be replicating the White Lotus. And it's like Nicole Kidman, it's Hulu. And they're even casting the guy from White Lotus. Like, this is really lame. Especially when the first season was unwatchable. This is really loser-y. Like, I'm giving this a big L for loser. Write it down for weenie. Like, actually, it's a contender for weenie of the week. That's how fucking loser-y it is. I agree. Let's dive into our TV recap. Thursdays are Summer House days.

53:23Last night was the episode of Summer House. That I personally just, like, kind of been waiting for. It was like part two of The Shift. And it was another great episode for Lexi, another terrible episode for Jesse. There were like a couple of moments where I like actually I got the ick from Jesse, right? Like watching him try to explain himself when he said that he only said that thing to Sierra to make her feel better. Like that was just mean. And dumb. Like I think he was, I don't know. I'd love to know in his heart of hearts why he said that thing to Sierra. Like was it because that's how he felt and he got carried away in the conversation?

53:53and sometimes you just like say something in the moment that like feels good but then you like realize later like oh that would have been disrespectful to Lexi if she heard that whatever and for that to be his excuse like I said it to make you feel better was incredibly a stupid calculation because he just and just rude because we know it's not true and it makes him look like an idiot agreed another big low moment for Jesse was when he's the next morning in the bedroom with west being like now i know how you felt like two fucking losers yeah and he's like just apologize like he follows the west playbook and then says now i know how you felt like that's because you did what he did and they're both acting like they're being unfairly villainized when like no you both did that shit now west like i'm over it but you did do that shit to sierra it's true and the only thing i'll say about jesse is and he's like totally a shit there's lexi seems to be thinking that like he intentionally made her look crazy to the house yes and made him like love bombed her and that's just how it shook out it wasn't this like strategy I don't think it was a strategy I think that when he was with her he just like is kind of different in a relationship and a lot more like lovey and attached than he lets on to his friends and then to his friends like he wants to act cool and I think he was like saying things that were probably on his mind but like he didn't have the foresight to be like if I say that they might think this of her and she makes her look like this and it makes her look bad and it's funny because now i'm getting the sense that lexi has felt estranged from the house and it's yes true like i've gotten the sense that nobody really cares to get to know her um and no one is mean to her by any means and i can't they're not overtly welcoming no and i can't imagine how like what things she noticed in the house you know if someone walks into a room and everyone asks how are you and no one asks how are you like we don't even see stuff like that but like those things so she has felt a little bit on an island um i don't think jesse did it intentionally i genuinely think he's so stupid i don't think he's careless i don't think he's a bad person i think he's like a stupid immature careless person um but that's just my thinking so i think her saying like you wanted me to be alienated from the group and make them think i'm a psychopath like no i think he just happened to do those things agreed also i found this particular party that they threw to be so interesting like it looked like maybe the only fun party they've ever thrown i agree um with like a dj and like they kick people out like at one in the morning.

56:1511. Whereas usually they kick people out. It's not even dark yet. Like they throw the parties just to film. Usually they have day parties and this party started more towards the evening and I think it was because of the snooze fest nature. Like they needed the lights and everything. It looked so fun. It did look really fun. But I also think it looked really fun because half of the house that sometimes is checked out of the parties was into it, the girls. Also, did anybody catch Paige vaping? I did. No, I didn't. She saw the camera, turned her back and I'm like, oh, I know that hunch. She's totally vaping.

56:41That's really funny. No, everyone was really into it. And I think that's why it was even more fun. And the girls went all out with decor. And it was really like, it was a great theme. And it should be an annual party. I was like, why does this feel so foreign, like this party being fun? I had the same thought. Like, was this most fun party of the summer? Would everyone say that? Yes. I felt like it. The conversation between Carl and Sierra was so unbelievably painful. And kudos to Sierra. Because there's really, I don't know. It's never happened to me. But like someone telling you they have a crush on you.

57:08And like, you don't like them back. Like I imagine that's like a difficult and you don't want to be rude. You don't want to crush them. And he was being like very sweet. I don't know what he expected to happen. And I thought her like throwing Lindsay in there. Great answer. I didn't even think of it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess also even if Sierra did like Carl back, like it would be weird to start dating Lindsay's ex-fiance when you are finally on a good page. But that was like a great excuse. Agreed. But I actually thought what Amanda said about Carl, like he's getting from his friendship with Sierra exactly what he hopes to get from a relationship.

57:39Now I do think the person in a relationship with him like wouldn't give him that unconditional support all the time because like the stakes are higher for that person. Whereas it's nice to just like support your friend. Yeah go off with your bad idea. It doesn't affect me. Right. So he's like Sierra's the type of partner that I need. Right. She's not. I also feel like the Sierra and the Lexi of it all and I saw clips of Sierra on Watch What Happens Live. Like she doesn't like Lexi like 100 percent. But like they haven't had any conflict. Lexi's actually been very like girls girly and supportive by like only being mad at Jesse for all of the things that he did.

58:11When a lot of them had to do with Sierra and she was kind of like a willing participant in some of the flirting up until recently. I feel like there's such weirdness between them two. They're just like sort of existing in one another's orbits. They don't talk. But then on Watch What Happens Live last night, like Sierra hates Lexi. You know, I started to watch Watch What Happens Live last night as I've been trying to watch after different episodes. Because I feel like so much has happened since filming that we get like caught up. it's like you kind of need it for relevant context and I turned it off because it was so boring all that they talked about was Jessie and Lexi with Sierra like they even did a a game that was like oh they did a game all about Carl that was the other game that they started to play it was like all about there was nothing really for her to talk about other than Jessie and Lexi um that's or at least like there's nothing else that like Andy really discussed wanted to talk about and And so I turned out, because as much as like Jesse and Lexi are the main storyline, there's not that much to say.

59:05Especially if you're not talking to Jesse or Lexi themselves. Yeah, but there's just not that much to say about it. We're seeing it all happen. The conversation. It's a five-week relationship. It's not like scanned of all. They leave us on like a cliffhanger. I really hope these two don't reconcile. Like I was getting the vibe at first from this convo that like Lexi was open to reconciliation. Like Jesse's there to reconcile. And I hope she doesn't. I don't think she will. I don't think she liked him as much as we thought that she did. I thought she was head over heels, like jumping all the way in, ten toes down.

59:38But then she says, like, the reason we're not excuses is because there's big red flags about you. I think she had concerns about him. And then now hearing all of this, it's like, well, my concerns were valid. Good day, sir. Yeah. It's almost like everything we've seen up until this point was like Jesse's POV. It's like in a book when they change perspectives. Yeah. No, that's exactly what happened. You can feel the shift. Like I was even looking on Twitter, like they've gotten shit all season. Nobody wants to watch them. Nobody likes them. They don't like, even though they're so cute, like what, what was, no, I've enjoyed every minute.

1:00:06And now they're like, Lexi's the first one to stand up to a toxic Bravo man. It's true. It's true because someone else would have just like had the conversation over and kept on going with this. Thousand percent. No, the fact that she got so mad, like in case I'm out of the room, love. We did talk about the conversation at the very end with Kyle and Amanda. I was like, I did. anyone else think that was the craziest conversation ever like i thought it was the craziest conversation ever like to just have in the middle of the day like you know like and clearly for the first time with your husband like i understand you share things on a reality show but like some things like family building or like private and then like you want to share it but like it seemed like kyle for the very first time was hearing that amanda might not want to have kids now of course this is something you ideally would figure out before you get married because you should be on the same page with your partner but everyone's allowed to change their minds and and yes she said she changed her mind a year ago her mind not she hasn't changed her mind some days it's a yes some days it's a no some days it's a maybe and so she's been like parsing out those feelings but she's definitely like in a maybe category right now but it is something you figure out with your partner before you get married because um that's like a deal breaker in a relationship when one person wants kids and another person doesn't like there's no happen there's no compromise there's no compromise and i and i don't think that there should be um putting myself in kyle's shoes for a second to like marry someone who like we're having kids like yeah of course um and then like be married and then hear that like maybe we're not and like for a man to like you really don't have control over that like it's completely up to the woman what a shocking thing to hear for him and for his reaction tv for his reaction to be on camera i thought he handled it like pretty well considering like that's like earth shattering for someone when he's literally just talking to Schwartz about how much he wants to be a dad yeah I do feel like the fact that Amanda's been having these feelings for a year and hasn't felt comfortable once opening up to her husband about them might be a testament to like him being a bad husband you know like you use not someone you can talk to um I don't know like how to diagnose this issue but like and I don't know if they're just having this conversation because it's a kind of a typical reality tv couple conversation like she had to be like Melissa Gorga going like Armageddon no I know if it's real that's what i'm saying it's almost like a trope now like with with reality tv it's like a storyline yes and not between husband and wife no like remember when melissa gorga was like thinking of making an embryo like about more kids no it's just sometimes like what you do so i'm saying if this is actually what's going on in their relationship it's extremely concerning i agree i don't think i mean hopefully it's just was for the show even though i i don't think that it was but like no we've not seen a conversation like this stark where it's a husband and wife and it's about yes kids or no kids melissa we're about wanting to have a fourth child like yeah of course lower stakes that's class that's marriage um this was like really surprising but i also think for amanda and maybe kyle isn't the sort of partner that you can talk to about this maybe you're right about that but i think that like it's such a big decision and if you're just thinking about it you don't vocalize that at first you know of course you don't even though like you can vocalize it with with a husband like if it's like a real if you're having doubts but not like i don't know definitely before a year but not the first time you think it not the first time being on camera 100th time yeah i don't know it depends on like what type of relationship you have and so the fact that it took her a year to sort of muster up the confidence i think speak just speaks to their relationship well yes yeah it was crazy usually i'd like tune out those conversations it's like they're married like whatever these conversations are fake for tv yeah like tom and katie were like going but they never said they were trying like his tom also tom schwartz being on summer house i actually like enjoyed yeah me too shipping tom and lexi at the moment 100 % um but he said to kyle that they never like really started trying trying no but they went to those appointments just to sort of get their ducks in order.

1:04:09Yeah, but I thought that they had been trying for a while. I don't know why I thought that. I thought that they had to. It was made to seem that way because all the other girls were getting pregnant. And I guess maybe we just assumed. But I remember them saying that like. I remember. No, I felt like she was upset about it. I feel like they were trying. I don't remember exactly what he said on Summer House, but I feel like they were trying. On Summer House, he said that they were not trying. I feel like he doesn't remember correctly. When he went to say bye to Paige and Sierra and was like, enjoy this while you have it.

1:04:36And he was talking about like the show, right? But he was like, you're friends. But he meant like I was, you know, a part of something great once too. I actually thought that was great advice. Really sad because also I'm sure for the last 10 years, all Summer House wanted was to be like Vanderpump Rules, to have a success. And now there's no Vanderpump Rules and there is Summer House. And they are like, they are a part of like cultural zeitgeist beyond Bravo, which is what Vanderpump Rules became. Yeah. No and it's still not like as big as Vanderpump Rules was In it's heyday but like they're still doing it And they are like one of the bigger shows On Bravo Yeah that made me a little depressed Yeah Like shorts like not wanting to go home Like yeah He should move He had to pick up his dogs From his split custody Right It was a great episode they also just filmed the reunion So next week doesn't look so good I don't know why I just thought that there was like three they all go to the beach and then they have conversations on the beach that's it and Sierra like reads Jesse to filth which that does look interesting yeah yeah that's our show you guys thank you so much for listening to the Toast the millennial morning show where we deliver the fast fast stories you need to know every Monday Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please don't forget to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast anywhere podcasts can be found so that's Spotify iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio I read a cast box all the places you have to listen to podcasts and it's a Toast we are.

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