The Sean Box: Monday, June 8th, 2026

10:11Jack Antonoff:money because i have no interest in playing with money i mean i have some interest but i just know

10:16Kirby:myself like when i lose i take it like ben can tell the second i walk in the door whether i lost or i won because like it affects my mood i take it so personally and then let's add losing money

10:24Jack Antonoff:on top of it um no and it's like not enough money to win that like makes the losses less painful and I just think it would take the fun out of it. Honestly, like I really do. I agree. Yeah, I am not interested in that.

10:40Kirby:Me neither. But what I am interested in is just sliding the house down boots on this episode. What are the stories like? Where are we doing the TV recap? Like tell me. TV recap at the end

10:49Jack Antonoff:because like not everyone watches Love Island and it's not like one where we're like bursting. You know, sometimes like we're bursting and we can do the TV recap at the end and then the stories are, you know, the happenings of the weekend really. Tony Awards? No.

11:03Kirby:Oh, Whitney Levitt was kind of like, you know, she was on Broadway, of course, but something about like Chicago, the musical is like a little - It's Broadway. No, it's not Broadway. It's just like very mainstream. It's like a show that also goes on tour. It's not like high art. Right, and so when you think of the Tonys, you think of like really like, you know, Lea Michele, Rachel Zegler, like the real bells of the ball. But let me tell you - You think of people whose names we don't know. Right. When I tell you, like I watched a bunch of clips, like Whitney was very much she's the toast of the town her in the toast of the town she was in in a performance like with Queen Latifah like a bunch of Broadway legends the the community is very much welcoming her you know I think like in some like industries like the new girl from reality TV who's

11:47Jack Antonoff:an influence or like the Mormon from Utah who's trying to make it in New York they would very

11:52Kirby:much look down upon her but I feel as though like they've welcomed her with open arms she literally performed with Pink yeah that's crazy and Darren Criss it's crazy that she's really the toast of the town I was saying that like it's crazy also that like coming from where she came from like as

12:04Jack Antonoff:an influencer like Mormon wife that Broadway is like welcome it's the opposite she is the diamond

12:12Kirby:of the season yeah and I didn't know if she was a diamond of the season to just the fans or if like the industry like had welcomed her and they definitely have yeah they definitely have um

12:24Jack Antonoff:No, but we'll be discussing other happenings of the weekend if we may. There's a lot. We may. I mean, oh my God, I have to tell the group something so sad happened to me this weekend. Like actually, like it's very upsetting. You're not going to understand how upsetting it was. My starter, my sourdough starter, it was in a glass mason jar. It fell on the floor and it broke. I get it. I don't have any discard in the fridge. Like that's the end of my starter.

12:54Kirby:Okay, but isn't Olivia's starter a cousin of yours? It is.

12:57Jack Antonoff:Olivia's starter is a descendant of my starter, and I will be taking some of her starter, but like I just know like how I can - Is that the same starter from like when you started your journey? When I started my starter, yes. Wow. Both of them are descendants of Ballerina Farms' Willa Sourdough, but like, you know, I've like been feeding mine consistently every day for two years. Like I know she does hers too, but it's like I knew what mine was. No, of course. I'm taking someone else's starter. Your starter's not starting on my sourdough.

13:26Kirby:It's kind of akin to like losing a pet, honestly.

13:29Jack Antonoff:No, it was. It was so sad. Two years of work.

13:33Kirby:Was there anyone you could have blamed? Like did Zach leave the cabinet door in a weird way? Or was it your fault?

13:38Jack Antonoff:It was a little bit of everyone's fault. It was my fault because I took it out and I left it on the counter because I was like doing the dishes, but I was going to start a loaf right after. And in the time that I was doing the dishes, like one of the children knocked it over. and but like there shouldn't have been a glass jar in their reach so what where'd you leave it like on the peninsula in my kitchen like across from the you know sink yeah isn't that a good word for what that is a peninsula it juts out it connects to the rest of my kitchen but it's not an island oh I was thinking of the island no that's an island but a peninsula is something that's connected to land oh I see so the thing that's connected still to the kitchen sink the like the L the L yeah that's called a peninsula I just I really wouldn't blame yourself it's like a very normal place to leave stuff like yeah no and it was like literally for five minutes while I finished putting the dishes away it just it was a tragic accident and it was so upsetting but I'm gonna get Olivia's I'm gonna I'm gonna come back but like you're taking it surprisingly well what's

14:33Kirby:what a choice do I have well you do need to kind of figure it out because we do rely on you over the summer to create loads for the whole family I'll get some of her starter I'll get some of her

14:43Jack Antonoff:And it's like, it's crazy. I take my starter to the Hamptons. Like I've, you know, it's been so many places. It's a well-traveled. It couldn't survive my peninsula on a Sunday morning.

14:52Kirby:I know you also gave it to Rebecca.

14:54Jack Antonoff:I was thinking that too, because she doesn't sourdough that often. And when she does, she like posts it and her starter grows so much. And it's like a, it's a very much a descendant of mine as well. So I was thinking I could take hers when I come to New York, but I really could take Olivia's. I don't know why. I'm like, I quizzed her last night. I'm like, how do you treat your starter? When do you feed it? What do you do? Right. No, it's very personal. Yeah.

15:13Kirby:Trading children, honestly.

15:15Jack Antonoff:Because also, sourdough mamas will get this. And Ben did it, too. When you feed your starter, I always put it in a new jar every single time I feed it. But some people just dump some of their old out and then feed it in their existing jar. Yeah. I don't love that. Does Olivia do that? She says she does, but she also renews it as well. I don't really have choices here. Yeah, right. I'm lucky to get her. Literally, I'm so blessed that I have someone down the street with a descendant.

15:41Kirby:and you could just like pick some of the starter off the floor and like throw it in the jar well

15:45Jack Antonoff:i thought about it but like there's glass particles like yeah that's so unsafe yeah yeah i agree i agree it was yeah it was really bad i'm really sorry that you're going through that thank you i'm i'm just gonna pick myself up and dust myself off we're so matching today we didn't even notice like okay oh by the way i got creamy influenced by jacks and jemmy and jemmy i love the ballet

16:06Kirby:flats you've been wearing they're really so cozy i've moved on to these um crochet mary janes from

16:12Jack Antonoff:rothy's i love just like a sensible shoe these days i love a sensible shoe i like i don't know if i'm ever gonna wear high heels ever again i was i was thinking about high heels the other day because i saw like someone wearing high heels in the middle of the day and i was like why why yeah

16:29Kirby:i had a similar thought when i was at the mall in florida i saw a girl wearing biker shorts and heels and i thought maybe she was doing either like a form of exercise because it is like a leg workout or she was trying to break him in for like a big event that night because it was such a crazy outfit like a sports bra biker shorts and a pair of stilettos like insane um and I also got to thinking but you know when I was pregnant my sister-in-law got married my mahat son and sister and I obviously needed like a pair of heels but I was literally almost nine months pregnant so I bought like a very expensive well-made pair of kitten heels when I say kitten I mean genuine kitten it's literally a ballet flat with like a little something on the heel and you know what I love it.

17:09Kirby:They're like a sling back. That's my idea of a wild time. Because that way you still get like, I don't even need the height because like obviously I'm short. I'm not fooling anyone. I don't need the height of a heel. I need like the sort of pointy, elegant toe like peeking out of a dress or a pair of slacks. And a kitten heel is grossly underrated.

17:28Jack Antonoff:I exclusively wear kitten heels. I think the only time I'll ever wear it like a heel again is, you know, a wedding or a black tie affair. But I am done. I'm what are we doing ladies I agree I'm done half the time when you're wearing heels like

17:43Kirby:it doesn't look good wow okay harsh words you know what I mean no who are you talking about

17:50Jack Antonoff:like just like there's a time and a place I agree so the other half of the time it's just not the vibe you're killing yourself for what well that's the other thing like you're like

18:04Kirby:immobile you like can barely walk joy is important and like comfort and peace and love like those things I think matter more sometimes than like stunting yeah yeah but maybe it's just reflective of the era that we're in and like maybe there was a time in my life where I cared more about like looking the absolute best snatch tallest that I possibly could oh I'm not having fun oh I can't get up it doesn't matter I look amazing yeah but now that's obviously not the mindset that I know

18:30Jack Antonoff:definitely like that's my mindset right now I wonder if like it will change one day it probably will but and there are certain looks that like you absolutely have to wear a heel for like like a pencil dress you know of course no of course you know but pencil skirt I don't know I was really just thinking about it like I'm done done it's honestly like very feminist of us it's very liberating you know because a man invented the high heel yeah right and it's like

19:01Kirby:this is our version of like not shaving our armpits you know yeah like that's disgusting we're not wearing a brush like having having our nipples out no we'll just like flats and sneakers and kitten heels like get yourself a really good pair of kitten heels it's one of the best things i've done for myself yeah i have a nice little um collection collection yeah i gotta get another I have this silver pair. Like they've saved my life on multiple occasions. Gianvito Rossi. No, no. What's the other one? Gianvito.

19:34Kirby:Oh, Giambalista Valley. Gian Batista. I believe they're Gian Batista. No, they're Gianvito Rossi. They're Gianvito Rossi. You're not Gian Batista? No. I got them at Bergdorf. I was panicked before my sister-in-law's wedding being like, I can't wear heels. I'm literally immobile. It's unsafe. I didn't take them off during the wedding. Like I was cozy. I wasn't that girl running around without shoes on. Like get yourself a luxury, well-made pair of kitten heels. Go to the real real. Like let me tell you, it was one of the best things I did for myself.

20:06Jack Antonoff:Yeah. Okay, let's get into the stories. Without further ado to do to do, it is time for the Fast Five stories that you do need to know.

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27:16Jack Antonoff:Thanks, Turt. You're welcome. our first story happenings of the weekend we had the monaco grand prix yes stars were out in monaco for the grand prix now headline news is that kim went with her sister chloe to support her man's lewis hamilton and you know what i'm paying attention oh really i'm not i'm paying attention

27:36Kirby:to the outfits i'm on the aloe yacht like that's where my ass is um that's what i care about that's

27:43Jack Antonoff:what I was following to Alex Jake and Stassi baby yep they were this baby it was like a little bit

27:50Kirby:confusing and I don't really understand how like aloe justifies this enormous expense when like it took me a while to figure out that these three were on an aloe brand trip like it was not very aloe forward right and I don't know that I saw a piece of aloe merchandise no I saw the logo a couple of times like on the boat and like on a towel well I guess but I did not also have been

28:07Jack Antonoff:like working out on the boat oh i think i did see maybe jake shane on a cold plunge yeah yeah

28:14Kirby:all's that to say like that's where breton trips like kind of confused me um i don't know like how that really i guess it really did like differentiate aloe was like from all the other brands like who do different this was like a very elite brand trip yeah in terms of its location the boat the talent on board but it wasn't very product forward no no but look how many times have we said aloe since It's true. And like, oh, I'm going to Manico Grand Prix. Like, I'd literally rather be on that boat than anywhere else. Like, you know, they actually had fun.

28:41Jack Antonoff:Yeah. Who else was on it? Just three of them?

28:43Kirby:I saw other people whose names and usernames like meant nothing to me. I didn't recognize. But that doesn't mean that they're not special and unique in their own way.

28:52Jack Antonoff:Yes, of course. Very beautiful. But no, Kim and Chloe like went out and very fun for like Chloe sister times.

28:59Kirby:Yeah. Love to see Chloe like leaving the gates. We know that like that's not something she does a lot and it gives her a lot of anxiety.

29:04Jack Antonoff:Yeah. also Kim is a wag which I feel like we hadn't seen her in her wag era until this like she's there being the supportive partner she's wearing the looks you know she's obviously taking the fashion seriously she like wore something she's like filming his ceremony even though I don't think he came in first place oh but he was up on the stage yeah because like the podium was like

29:22Kirby:first second and third place and it looked like he was on the left which is giving second okay but still like the podium of course of course and he like gave a little he blew a kiss to his lady

29:32Jack Antonoff:and she's like filming horizontally perhaps filming for patreon yeah for sure it was giving like very kylie and timothy it's so funny how kylie feels like a knicks wag when her husband

29:42Kirby:is not a player he's just a fan no no her husband is a wag she's like her like he is a wag of the

29:49Jack Antonoff:knicks and she's just like there yes no but it's like when you think of like i keep seeing all these like group photos of the wags i'm like where's kylie like just the way that they engage with the team it feels like she's a wag but she's obviously not i hope chloe met someone like i don't

30:03Kirby:know what chloe's relationship status is and i feel like she keeps it like very tight to the vest but as far as i know she like hasn't dated or had sex in years that's what she said on keeping up or whatever the show's called um and i don't know that like i want her to be dating an athlete but like there's lots of eligible people who fly to the south of france or wherever the hell this is for this event lots of businessmen lots of wealthy individuals you know investment bankers things of

30:25Jack Antonoff:that nature business man bow like she didn't meet someone at the bezos wedding like where is it gonna happen or the ambani wedding yeah she gets to go everywhere yeah with all the eligibles you know scooter and sydney met like you could meet is that where they met at jeff bezos wedding based on what we know yeah that was like the first time they were seen together they were like in a group of like random friends right right right right that is to go shopping like yes yes yes so i just feel like she's there but is she really there is she really being present yeah she's physically

30:57Kirby:there emotionally i feel like she's probably back in hidden hills yeah and she's like on

31:00Jack Antonoff:facetime with her daughter you know she is who she is like leave her alone she's happy you know who like kind of feels like a great guy for her uh someone who's recently gotten dumped

31:15Kirby:dumped i don't know someone who's recently gotten dumped from the villa sean devoted father sean

31:22Jack Antonoff:law enforcement officer like i can't open up the sean box right now i won't be able to go back

31:28Kirby:okay and like the sean box is like firmly like in the files next to the jaylen box i cannot open

31:35Jack Antonoff:the sean box right now unless if you want the show to go on it's only story number one no no no no i'm

31:39Kirby:putting the Sean box over here okay um tape it up Monaco Grand Prix and it's funny because

31:45Jack Antonoff:the Monaco Grand Prix was same weekend as Belmont Stakes again just like the Derby and F1

31:51Kirby:were the same weekend last time I also feel like I wasn't closely following this event it felt very out of reach like I don't really understand what Formula One is I don't 100 % know where Monaco is on a map like this whole thing felt like so one percent to me to the point where like I actually just like I couldn't I couldn't really follow it because I wasn't even sure what I was following

32:11Jack Antonoff:yeah it's hard enough to follow like the one in Miami yeah and it was like a driving race but

32:16Kirby:everybody watched from their boats like it was seriously so Hunger Games like I don't even know

32:20Jack Antonoff:what the hell these people are doing it's like fancy NASCAR like Italian NASCAR it's definitely European driving it's European NASCAR but they compete in Miami sometimes once a year yeah like

32:35Kirby:honestly I'm not even oh you know the world cup is in New York I think I didn't know that and I had no idea it's at MetLife Stadium and somebody just like offered me tickets to a match and I was like no thanks I don't need to go see France versus Senegal and then I found out it's like the most important match like I was like I thought when I saw the email I was like oh my god yeah of course I'd love to go see like America like I'd root for my team yeah and they were like it's the two o 'clock France versus Senegal match and I'm like oh I was like I'm good thanks and And then I was telling like one of Ben's friends, like, no, that's like a sick match.

33:06Kirby:That's so many. And I'm sure the America match is not sick. Yeah. Like we stink at soccer, but like I wouldn't go for America. Like it's in America. It's exciting. Yeah. When does it start? I have no idea, but that was like how I even found out that it was happening right next to the American Dream Mall.

33:20Jack Antonoff:Well, maybe you can make a day of it.

33:22Kirby:Yeah. Well, the place looks great.

33:28Jack Antonoff:Can't say well without saying that. I know. So like cute. cuteness cuteness in Monaco and like you know French Riviera summer is starting I feel like this was like the opening the cutting of the ribbon for French summer.

33:44Kirby:Your friend who doesn't have a job is in Europe and you're going to spend the next couple of weeks wondering how she paid for it like that time starts now.

33:51Jack Antonoff:Yeah so clock in fam our next story is something else that happened this weekend that has reached me and now I can officially say that garrett graham has reached me because the actor belmont camelli it was a big weekend for the belmont um his name is phil phil yeah but why am i reading belmont camelli no like that's his

34:13Kirby:name but like kind of like his birth name like his name is phil is he got i just found that out is he garrett graham yeah garrett graham the actor belmont his name is phil you're gonna have to explain am i not speaking english his name is phil like you know how celebrities change their names

34:28Jack Antonoff:like so why is india today calling him belmont cameli that's like that's his stage name like like lady gaga like his name is phil oh like his the name he doesn't want us to know like how um emma stone is emily yeah or what's the guy tucker

34:48Kirby:somber the other one oh oh oh role model role model they're the same yeah his name is philip

34:53Jack Antonoff:belmont cameli okay okay but like let him i just feel like let him have his cute stage name stop No, I've turned on him like 100%. Okay, wait, let me just read the story because actor Philip Belmont-Camilli brought his Garrett Graham moves to the Kid L 'Orae concert and fans are losing it. Did he though? No, they're not.

35:12Kirby:Like we are not losing it.

35:13Jack Antonoff:Claudia, I have seen this video so many times on my feed. There's two videos. The people are flipping for this video. And now the first time I saw the video, I actually saw like one of my mom friends posted it. That's how I saw it. And I was like, I had no idea what I was watching. I was like, is that Justin Bieber? I was like maybe her husband like works with Justin Bieber or something. And I just moved on. I was like she obviously was just like supporting her husband. And then I kept seeing it with like Garrett Graham, Wicked Witch. And I was like, oh, this is like. Karen Reed. Karen Reed. Benson Moon.

35:41Jack Antonoff:And Wes Wilson. And like and it's Kid Leroy who does look like Justin Bieber. And he had this like viral moment like dancing at the Kid Leroy. And does he dance in off campus?

35:53Kirby:Yes. Okay. So the thing that off campus is like music is like a huge part of it. She's a music major. They like bond over music and they use like real music. Like they talk about like real artists. Like it's a cute little thing and he dances a little bit. And like every time he dances, it's like so cute. And he's obviously like a good dancer. Like, and I feel like he's seen the fan edits that like people like when he dances. And I just, I really don't like this. And I was actually arguing with Tinks in the DMs because she was like, no.

36:19Jack Antonoff:I saw Tinks had like a firm take in the opposite direction.

36:22Kirby:And so I literally DMed her. I'm like, we've, I've never disagreed with her so much. She was like, this is just like him being like, we should be encouraging people to be like fun and free and dance. And it's like, yes, I actually agree with her philosophy on that. But I don't see that as this. Like I saw there's two videos.

36:36Jack Antonoff:You don't feel like he was dancing like nobody's watching.

36:37Kirby:Like you actually felt like he was dancing because everybody's watching. Well, because TikTok was watching and he was ready. He's like, oh, here's my next edit. So there's two videos, first of all. And both are like, one's worse than the next. The first is like at the actual concert. He's like with the kid Leroy, like dancing, pulling up his shirt, showing his abs. Like, eck, eck, eck, eck, eck, eck. then there's the second where they like made a tiktok to like the song that was playing at the concert and he's like doing this like cringy ass dance move it might be like a dance move from the music video i'm not sure i don't know the reference okay but i just don't like it and it's giving like you know it's nice when people like don't know how good looking they are and now he's i mean he has no choice like he's just had a front row seat to his own close-up and everyone's obsessed and everyone like they love his dancing they love his smile they love his abs so he did all of it like in three videos and it was just i'm sorry i thought it was corny i thought it was cringy that's not how my Garrett Graham would act like Garrett would never this is Phil oh and then I found out his name was Phil and I was like okay you're doing a lot for like somebody named Phil I just I don't like it I don't like it and maybe this is my brain's way of coping like you know rejecting him before he can reject me because like the obsession is real but I just it felt incongruous with Garrett it was like a little too much and it was very hey look at me I didn't

37:47Jack Antonoff:like it do you want to know my objective thoughts as someone who has no idea what's going on here and who you're gonna love it and who Garrett is and who Belmont Phil is and like I just saw this video like as if I was an alien who came down from space yes you and you are our in-house alien I am the in-house alien I thought it was like really cool cool I thought it was cool I was like yeah this is a cool I understood why like if people liked him to begin with how then watching this

38:15Kirby:video like there's a lot of like him lifting his shirt there was a lot I didn't see I I just saw

38:20Jack Antonoff:the moves I wasn't like breaking down each move okay now he lifts his shirt now he's I just saw the whole thing flow together and there was flow and there was Riz and I was like oh this guy's got

38:28Kirby:charisma and this is also someone like in a long-term relationship like imagine if this was Ben acting like that like I'm sorry you have to act like a little bit respectful when you have I'm just like I'm just becoming a hater sorry it's just so funny right when you turn on Garrett

38:42Jack Antonoff:I'm ready to defend him and I just want to say about off campus people are like why does Jackie you hate off campus the the point is I don't know off campus I don't hate off campus I don't know what's in there and I I actually think if I watch it I would like it based on like my interest the more I think about it I actually also think you would like it it's not that I hate off campus I don't even know anything about it to hate it my issue was more so with the culture that it's like oh you didn't watch that at this weekend then you have no way and then next weekend it's something else and else and else and it's like well we're just supposed to all just like binge watch shows every single weekend or else you don't know what's going on and like the last show that you watch is irrelevant now like it's just too much content and like I hate that part of your culture

39:19Kirby:oh yeah I agree but you're only punishing yourself by like not watching this particular show because

39:24Jack Antonoff:I actually now think you would like it I'm not not watching it because I am boycotting it or something like I physically can't watch it I'm watching Love Island every night yeah it's true

39:35Kirby:I can't watch you would have had to have watched it before Love Island yeah I can't watch off

39:39Jack Antonoff:campus right now and if I had the time I think I would watch it I think I would like it it's more so just like this constant like oh this is the new thing yeah like can't something sustain you know no where will garrick graham be in five years i worry i worry about that hopefully he'll be on the bruins i think they call this flash in the pan not garrick graham belmont where will belmont

40:00Kirby:oh well this is always interesting when like a young show pops off like this the potential that it has for the stars a lot of times you know it has the riverdale effect we're like after season to it for everybody nobody even watches show but a lot of those cammy mendez a lot of them cole sprouse are sort of big i would say they they have careers now like outside of it sometimes one of these flash in the pan big time get ya shows like you never see or hear from these people ever again yeah so i will be curious to see what happens with all the like the the breakout stars Yeah. Of which there are probably four or five.

40:36Jack Antonoff:So you're not into Belmont.

40:39Kirby:I didn't like what I saw at the Kid LaRoy concert. No. And it's just like a little too on the nose. It's not mysterious. It's like, oh, you guys like when I dance and you like my abs, let me pull up my shirt and shake my hips. It's like, okay, that's for girls. Stop.

40:52Jack Antonoff:I don't know all the backstory. I thought he had nice moves. People were having fun. He does. He has nice moves. People looked cool. It was cool looking. I didn't think they looked cool. I thought it was cool. and I do like I don't know I don't know if I'm in the minority though I like what Tink said like let's applaud embrace dancing in public showing off your moves and having fun I agree with that

41:14Kirby:but that's to me like not what he was doing he was like performing I understand I don't feel like he was letting his hair down I love what she said and I agree there's literally he's at the camera that's right there it's not like he was like lifting up his shirt and like eye fucking the lens like I like what she said and I agree as a culture like we don't like embrace this especially with men like yeah have fun dance whatever who cares but this was not giving like Drew Barrymore in the rain it wasn't giving carefree like I don't care what anyone thinks it's giving I'm

41:40Jack Antonoff:performing for what everybody thinks what about if this inspires other men even though his intentions maybe weren't pure for you but what if it inspires other people to get out there and dance

41:52Kirby:well if that is the rip current you know the effect i'll be okay with it but this is only affecting women that's what i'm saying like we're just we're not changing any

42:01Jack Antonoff:hearts or minds of young men understood this is a women's issue understood our next story ariana grande started her tour this weekend eternal sunshine she um is on tour i i sort of missed that i didn't know that that was happening um i didn't actually had no idea this was i thought last i heard from her regarding this she doesn't like touring she's you know going to broadway she's an actress okay wait i'm gonna come back to music soon and then she put out a song last week and which i actually really like that song it's all over my tiktok now there's a tour um with tickets purchased and everything and it's it's on and it's kicked off in oakland

42:41Kirby:California yeah okay I ask a question just like for the are we commenting on women's bodies or

42:48Jack Antonoff:not yeah no we're talking about this holistically yes we are because I feel really conflicted when

42:53Kirby:people talk about Ariana Grande because like to me I'm the type of person like well let's state the obvious like she looks so sick like she looks really really unhealthy and very scary um this is gonna be such a hot take like I don't know if the world's ready for it but I also feel like if we're doing that it has to apply like if we're gonna be like we're intervening because this is a health issue I feel like the movement of like women's bodies like I don't know how to say this in a way that's like not gonna get me canceled give it a shot we can always cut it out okay if we are going to like have these conversations which I am down for like I don't think we should ignore this person who's very clearly sick like if we're gonna have those conversations about extreme weight we also should be having those conversations about extreme weight on the other end like I think that we kind of encourage and applaud people who are sickly in the other way and like we can't say that right but we have to say for Ariana Grande like she's sick yeah like it's it is two extremes and they're not treated equally so like I always feel kind of weird being like she looks so skinny she looks unhealthy because it's like you would never say about the opposite and they are both equally valid health issues yeah you know so I don't really ever like make like big statements like I don't really get involved but like yeah she looks really bad and really scary and it's I can't even watch it it makes me feel sick yeah and I think when she

44:14Jack Antonoff:was doing press for wicked and she's doing a movie like it's you know little bits you're easy to be like more staged and also it's like smaller bits of work we're walking down a red carpet we're sitting for an interview you know a movie is all cut up a tour is such a physically demanding thing even when you're at the peak of physical fitness and tours are hard for everybody everybody can't midway through you know mental health physical health everything and it's like to start your tour in a place like this yeah is so scary like how is she getting through these shows how is she going

44:45Kirby:to do dozens of these shows it reminds me in taylor's documentary she talked about how in the 1989 tour she had like a severe eating disorder and now when you look back she's like real thin but i think at the time she didn't look sick like we always just thought she was like this

44:59Jack Antonoff:tall and lanky girl. She also had always been thin. We didn't really realize that she's thinner than usual and it wasn't like so surprising to you. She's always like just been naturally thin to us.

45:10Kirby:But she said like at the end of the show, she would be so lightheaded, like really having a hard time seeing and like dizzy and her balance. So I don't know how Ariana, who I think is in a much more extreme state, I don't know how she's physically able to do it. She looks so scary to me and I feel so sad for her. I think like people forget like she's been through so much. Like the fact that she's still performing standing like after Manchester. The fact that she still lives a public life after Mac Miller. Like this is a person who's been through. Like so I can't even blame her for struggling and I don't know like what we're supposed to do or say.

45:49Kirby:Like I have no idea. And I'm sure she has people around her who are having these. No, it's not a secret. It's not like she doesn't know.

45:55Jack Antonoff:Does she have people around her who are saying this to her? I don't know.

45:58Kirby:She's surrounded by a lot of family. That's true. And like old school friends. Like people from Florida that she's like, you know, she's always with her mom and her grandma and her brother and her friends from like victorious era. It's like the same people. I have to imagine at least one person has brought it up. Yeah. And she knows like. I imagine that she. I think you know you have an eating disorder. And I also think when you have an eating disorder like this, people talking about it like makes it worse. So I don't know.

46:23Jack Antonoff:But I also think she might like how she looks.

46:27Kirby:well yes of course like I think that's anorexia like when you look sick that's like a good thing yeah but then it's also like body dysmorphia she might look in the mirror and like think she's

46:35Jack Antonoff:obese yeah but no it's it's hard to watch someone like dancing and jumping and singing and like

46:43Kirby:doing the most like because she looks so frail she looks so frail you're gonna break a bone yeah yeah it's bones popping out of her skin like it's really upsetting yeah um I don't know how

46:54Jack Antonoff:she can do a whole tour i feel like this isn't gonna go all the like because most people cancel

47:01Kirby:their tour anyway like and they're i know i feel like the last time i feel like the last time she went on tour she was like running on fumes emotionally like every clip every news story was she's breaking down crying now i feel like she's running on fumes physically i don't know how one person can literally stand for more than 10 seconds somebody that looks like her like it's just so also like is she singing songs from wicked no i don't think so she should it's funny

47:23Jack Antonoff:It's like funny to watch her like be a pop star again and like do the dance moves like thank you next. It's like Glinda what are you doing here?

47:30Kirby:It's true. It's like and also her aesthetic is so different now than it was the last time she was a pop star. The last time she was a pop star she was classic Ariana Grande. Thigh high boots, little dresses, a classic side part ponytail. Now she still has her side part ponytail because you'll have to literally take that from her cold dead hands. But it's like the very light makeup. It's like fairy lacy dresses. It's very confusing.

47:53Jack Antonoff:Yeah. The pop hits are like when she sings a ballad, like she's been doing that for the past few years, even when she has been this way for a while now. But it's like the bops and the dance moves like it's feels like a different person. It does. Yeah. So, yeah. We'll see. So, yeah. We'll see how the tour goes.

48:15Kirby:Yeah.

48:15Jack Antonoff:But I think people had fun. Hopefully. I can't believe I didn't know this was happening.

48:20Kirby:I didn't know what was happening either but I was just Reminded I was like because she's all Over TikTok now like these clips and so I ended Up on Ariana talk it's actually so underrated That she returned to Manchester like Two weeks after the event and like put on that whole Concert like I think people give her a lot of grace Because she's been through so much but it's just it was a reminder That like she's literally been Through like the worst Of the worst like that's insane

48:45Jack Antonoff:Yeah I think people do give her A lot of grace yeah and she deserves she deserves more yeah are you but i feel scared like seeing her yeah are you ready for our next story what number four yeah it's a little bravo news kyle cook and craig conover seemingly making amends after drink drama amid reunion with austin kroll so kyle cook was spotted with austin and craig in um charleston i believe because i believe this is just like me putting pieces together Kyle is dating Sally from Southern Charm.

49:20Kirby:Oh, you think that's why he was there?

49:22Jack Antonoff:I do. And it's July. Do Southern Charm usually film now? Yeah, actually this time last year they were filming. So maybe Kyle. It's funny if Kyle's now going on Southern Charm the way that Craig used to go on Summer House. Yes, yes. The tables have turned. But yeah, the word on the street was that like Kyle was seeing Sally. So it would make sense that he went down to visit her and like be on the show while they're filming. That's like cute content, even if they're not going to last forever. Like, sure, why not?

49:44Kirby:Yes, I got tagged in this quite a bit. I do want to just sort of clear the record. I spoke to Craig. Do you want to put out? Oh, you spoke to Craig. The night before. He obviously wanted to give us a heads up. Oh, that's so nice. He was like, by the way, I think Austin's bringing Kyle tomorrow. He was kind of nervous. And I was like, whatever. I know we've all sort of forgiven Kyle. One thing about me, I have not. I hate him to my core. He owes my husband an apology. I will say that till I die. And once the apology is given, I will move on, but it's not coming. Hopefully he apologized to Craig.

50:11Jack Antonoff:I would love for him to give an apology. I would love that.

50:13Kirby:Yeah, of course. Yeah. So like, hey, like if Kyle Cook has no haters, which he almost does, but he never will because I'm still alive, bitch.

50:21Jack Antonoff:Right. Maybe he gave an apology to Craig. What's actually nice is that if they are filming, like we will see what happens. Right. And I think it probably went better than they thought.

50:30Kirby:You know, boys getting together, drinking. No hard feelings. Craig has to do what he has to do. And like boys move on quickly. Yeah, as they should. As they should. So we're just to kind of clear my name.

50:40Jack Antonoff:We're all good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and Kyle posted the photo saying, by the way, so what, SCW? That's so boy, like, so what? Yeah, after, like, you know, causing fights, like a car crash. Like, everybody else is fighting because you, like, started shit. And it's like, so what?

50:57Kirby:So what? So what? We destroyed everyone's businesses and families and lives. So what? Well. The place looks great.

51:06Jack Antonoff:What do you think about Kyle and Sally? Do you know Sally? I don't know Sally. You don't know Sally. No, but I watched other charm.

51:10Kirby:Which one is she? Is she the one that was into Shep and used to be a pageant queen or something?

51:15Jack Antonoff:No. Oh, no. That's Molly, I think. With the tuba? With the tuba, yeah. Okay. I don't know Sally at all. Sally came on like two seasons ago. She used to fight with Taylor. Then she was really into Austin last season, like literally sitting there waiting for him to break up with his girlfriend, like just waiting, waiting, waiting.

51:33Kirby:And this isn't the one that Craig was with and then she liked Craig and then Craig liked her, but she didn't like him anymore. No, that was chartling. Sally, Charlie.

51:41Jack Antonoff:And Charlie and Craig ended things because Sally got in the way. Got it. Sally just like does the most, the absolute most. Do we like her? But you know what? As far as do I like.

51:54Kirby:And only somebody like desperate and who does the most like would be ever actually seriously dating Kyle Cook.

51:58Jack Antonoff:Sally was on The Bachelor back in the day. You're kidding. On Clayton's season. Yeah. Who's? Clayton.

52:04Kirby:Oh, I missed that season.

52:05Jack Antonoff:Yeah. um so as far I can't speak to Sally as a person but Sally as a character on Southern Charm like I don't think we're designed to like her all the time she does also operate as like an agent of chaos and like as someone who was really rooting for Charlie and Craig like yeah completely fucking ruined it for them um and she's just yeah she's really messy but I actually think like she is who Kyle would have wanted Amanda to be more like out and about and fun and got it the fun down to party the bravo now here's the girl who will go out every night and have fun and be one of the guys i actually think like i would like to see what happens between the two of them because this is what kyle has said that he wants yeah and i do think that kyle's um time

52:47Kirby:on summer house like is over he's like too old so graduating to southern charm where everyone's older and sometimes that you know they settle down like i think that that's probably a good

52:56Jack Antonoff:move for him professionally and sally says that she wants to settle down but then like she doesn't i don't know how much like her actions line up with that right but she says that she does so we'll see we'll see it's it's a fun plot twist i'm here for it i love her i love the synergy

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58:27Jack Antonoff:Thank you, Frappuccino turt. You're welcome. Our fifth story is page six is reporting that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are marrying at New York City's Madison Square Garden.

58:37Kirby:yeah so i just want to say because you know i like live for credit like i got tagged in this so many times all my friends were like you called it you called it i didn't come up with this i had seen it on tiktok like so i just want to say like i have to be honest originate from i just i saw like people saying like i heard it was here i heard it was there and so one person said madison square garden i brought it up because i thought it was a really interesting guess um i think the fact that it's widely being reported as such means that it's not like i i just again i think it could be a decoy i think like i just it could be a decoy but it's like the good thing about madison

59:09Jack Antonoff:square garden is that even if everybody knows that it's there we're not getting anything we're

59:13Kirby:not getting anything yeah so that's true it is sort of like a protected and like the game like the most famous people in the world the president is going to the game tonight so like if it's secure enough for like the game three and four of the next finals with all those celebrities businessmen politicians she's probably secure enough in there i just don't i don't know i feel confident that we're gonna know where it is when it is so you're saying it's july 3rd at msg like i don't know i feel like maybe it already happened but also at the same time that like us

59:39Jack Antonoff:like talking about it like made this article happen like now they're just you think we were

59:44Kirby:like a driving force in it being widely reported i think like maybe we put a spotlight on msg maybe we didn't okay maybe because like our clip went so viral um maybe i also think though because i then had heard you know they're saying the guest list is a thousand people excuse yeah which let's just operate under the assumption that that's true there are only so many venues because like jewish weddings are like four or five hundred people and so like i've been to the places in the city where you can have 500 people yeah um a thousand no i don't know that so there are only so many places that can physically house a thousand people and if you are inviting a thousand people yeah uh it's gonna get out you know the kennedy wedding caroline and jfk which was like famously private in the middle of nowhere was 25 people like yeah 25 people can keep a secret for a few months um but i also heard that people who got invited were told where to be and when but not exactly where they're going what town to be in be in new york be ready at seven o 'clock mystery bus ride yeah but yeah so i'm just hearing a lot of shit i don't know what's real and what's not it's hard yeah yeah it's we also still have that rhode island june 13th oh that's this weekend by the way

1:00:46Jack Antonoff:We also have the Hamptons July 4th.

1:00:48Kirby:Yep.

1:00:50Jack Antonoff:So we'll see.

1:00:53Kirby:Yeah. MSG is a great option. I never would have thought of it, but just security wise, privacy wise, like it's an amazing option. They're obviously like, they have their security on point and you're also like coming in right after high season of security. So it's like, they've got all the checks in place. The mayor's going tonight. The president's going tonight. Like they have it all on lock, like the month before. So everyone's like sort of,

1:01:16Jack Antonoff:used to this level of intensity yes but what if what if it's like okay a stadium is a good idea not a stadium an arena because it's covered the ceiling's covered so like what if it's not this arena it's a different one right okay like arrowhead duh but that's a stadium so ceiling

1:01:33Kirby:there's no ceiling oh drone drone yeah it's helicopters cover it helicopter no no no but

1:01:37Jack Antonoff:why not just you an arena yeah yeah it has like what about the long island coliseum nassau coliseum there's so many good arenas and that's why they're gonna they're calling it hamptons i don't know it's a good it's a good um idea i have heard so many things and i can't

1:01:56Kirby:can't keep apart what i've heard from people i know from instagram from the verified sources from the unverifieds although i will say i know that for a fact like people in my life who i know and are cool and like would know people i've now gotten confirmed from two separate parties it is in New York City on July 3rd. Or at least the people have been told to be in New York City on July 3rd. Maybe they're chartering a plane and taking them to the Hamptons. I don't know.

1:02:21Jack Antonoff:Yeah, exactly. Okay. I don't know. Okay. We'll wait and see.

1:02:26Kirby:Now, a new bombshell has entered the villa. Let's dive into our TV recap. It's time to open up the Sean box. The Sean files. So we had two episodes to recap. Friday night and Sunday night. Sunday night we had a recoupling. The second that new boy Corbin chose, it was pretty obvious that he was going home. I think maybe some people thought Trinity was going to choose him. But, like, honestly, I'm really shipping Trinity and Bryce. No, me too.

1:02:53Jack Antonoff:They're definitely friends. But he, I think he was quaking when Trinity was like, we haven't had a lot of conversations. Like, I thought she was going to pick Sean for a second. And I don't want to see Bryce go home. It was sad to see both of them up on the chopping block.

1:03:04Kirby:I have such a bad feeling about this new bombshell that, like, the thing about Kenzie is I liked her in the beginning. It's hard to watch someone consistently be so dumb that like I can't really reverse. She makes really bad decisions. Now, this was entirely out of her control because Corbin like got to choose. But she said she was going to choose him.

1:03:21Jack Antonoff:Which I'm glad that we got to know who she was going to choose. And I'm glad that it was Corbin because it doesn't mean Sean could have stayed and didn't stay. And like, right, I'm very happy, even though I think she's a fool that she was going to choose Corbin. She's a fool. She's a fool. I'm glad that things happen the way that they would have happened. And that's that. Now, the people here like don't deserve Sean. Like, Sean. No, it's Jalen 2.0. Sean makes me heart sick. Like the fact that he quit his job six years of police force work. I know it was like five in California and like one there.

1:03:50Jack Antonoff:Okay. And that he has like nothing to go back to. He doesn't have like an influencer career to speak of, you know, because he was only there for a couple of days. Like I feel sick. I genuinely feel sick. This guy seemed like such a nice guy, such a quality guy. You know, some of like these girls don't, there are other nice guys there.

1:04:07Kirby:As much as somebody can show up in a wholesome way, he did. Like, obviously, the show's disgusting. He was as good as it could be. And you know what? I saw somebody say this on social media, and it's so true, because, like, I remember last season when, like, Huda. And I imagine, like, going on the show with a kid is hard. Like, how you launch that to this group of immature morons, like, is difficult. And I think, like, hiding it and sort of its entrapment. Like, I think there's, I think the only right way to do it is the way he did it. And I think he was punished for it, because, like, this group, like, can't even imagine dating somebody with a child.

1:04:36Kirby:Right, he kept forgetting that he has a child. He doesn't get enough credit for like day one being like, I'm a dad, like so proud. He never hit it for two seconds. Ariana saying that her son would be so proud of him, like was an extremely bizarre thing to say. Like he like seriously flopped and like, like was like slimed and like made out with a bunch

1:04:52Jack Antonoff:of like random people he didn't know on TV, but okay.

1:04:55Kirby:And I was getting upset because on the challenge, which actually I think the challenges are mostly stupid, but the challenge on Friday was like, I was sat first of all, the Melanie V Kada. It's what we've been asking for. It's what we've been asking for. when Anaya said that her office crush was Sean I there was like a spark of hope that like these two who I hadn't even considered as a couple as the only two normal people on this show they're perfect for each other and I'm devastated that they didn't get a chance I wish she had I don't think she's very outgoing I think she's maybe a little shy so like the fact that she's in this couple with like a decent enough guy and like he keeps saying and doing all the right things like why rock the boat like right this is obviously not the love of her life though and I think that if she had like sort of taken a chance on Sean she would have ended up being really happy

1:05:36Jack Antonoff:and I'm I'm upset yeah I am upset too that he's gone like he obviously didn't get enough time no one could appreciate him because they're like also immature but also like yeah you know we do like look a little critically at like people who go on shows like this like with children and that doesn't apply to him too it does apply to him it does yeah it can't just be the women although I'm

1:05:57Kirby:sorry it is different um it is I'm sorry but it's weird agreed and there are other there are

1:06:03Jack Antonoff:other reality shows that you can go on with a child and it's not as weird as doing love island one like love island is a porn no yeah like you don't get contact with the outside world

1:06:13Kirby:i do think if you have a kid they maybe let you talk like on facetime i think maybe but there are

1:06:19Jack Antonoff:other shows where it's like more it's less agreed agreed of insular like he could go on the bachelor

1:06:24Kirby:and you're not in a like on literally on another continent island no i agree it's weird and um we should be saying it about both the men and the women but I don't want you guys to think that I

1:06:36Jack Antonoff:think it's equal yeah I know I agree but like they do deserve some hate for that agreed agreed

1:06:42Kirby:he's not like perfect but I think the way he like was so proud of being a dad like is really sweet and he didn't hide it and he was like it was the first thing out of his mouth and I think this group of people is like so immature when Corbin said he was 22 he graduated college three

1:06:53Jack Antonoff:weeks ago like these are not serious people right no they're not serious people so let's talk about

1:06:59Kirby:Corbin because I somebody on TikTok called him Corbin GBT he's literally like an AI bot he says

1:07:06Jack Antonoff:the weirdest things I think he's so creepy like I I don't know I I think you should like watch watch that one like this I know everybody like thinks he's so handsome and he is so handsome and so like nobody's gonna question him because it's like everyone just wants to be with him because he's like so beautiful to behold but like every everyone like can I get a kiss like remind me of that kiss like it was just like really creepy and I'm getting like a weird vibe

1:07:31Kirby:from him and also now like his bad news now his personality is like needing to come out a little

1:07:36Jack Antonoff:bit and there's like not a lot of like depth there when people ask me about his family like he just doesn't like go deep and I feel like the girls are maybe still blinded by his looks but it's not gonna last that long as you said like at a certain point like you know you have to be able to have a conversation and I just I don't know I think he's bad news yeah no he's like a 10 out of

1:07:56Kirby:10 looks wise and the more he talks it drops like he there's something very dark and sinister I don't think he's gonna be like a good match for Kenzie and I understand like that she was sort of like left with Sean by default and maybe there was no connection there and I do think that they tried

1:08:11Jack Antonoff:I do you know what like but it's something to have in common like being the outcast yes yes

1:08:16Kirby:that happened with Casey and Anaya they were just matched up as like two losers and now I think that they actually are happy with one another um back to the challenge we need to talk about melanie versus kata because kata who i maybe didn't have like that strong of a feeling about before that episode like is my queen um one i like that she didn't kiss the bombshell when he wanted to outside of the challenge outside of the challenge like after he had just kissed kenzie she's like no no and also like she's the same pickup line she is in

1:08:48Jack Antonoff:a couple that she is happy in happy to kiss someone outside of a challenge apparently challenge there's no rules when it comes to challenge to kiss someone outside of a challenge like that's a big deal so I was glad that she didn't do that and that like you know she wants to honor the couple that she's in until she wants to move on from it and then Melanie had selected her to get

1:09:08Kirby:slimed I forget what the question was it was like who something like not trustworthy or whatever so such low-hanging fruit Melanie looks so immature so stupid like such a loser like a genuine loser Because like Cain, Sincere like pulled Kata for a chat. Her for a chat. So quite literally none of her, not her fault. She did not ask for that. She's been nothing but lovely and stunting on these hoes. She gets signed. I thought she handled it with such grace. But that's okay. I'm still going to look cute. And you know what she did? Her slicked back was slicked. She was such a queen for that. And then obviously she was going to slime her back.

1:09:39Kirby:But the question just was so ripe. Who needs a promotion from their couple? Her choosing Sincere, like it was such a slight that even Melanie couldn't fight with her when Melanie got back to the villa. She was like, you ate with that and like gave her a high five. And I do think that they like technically buried the hatchet, even though I know Kada just fucking hates Melanie. Yeah, that's what's weird.

1:09:56Jack Antonoff:It's like the girls keep fighting. I love that. Me too. And then they like bury it really quickly and it seems like everyone's moved on, but it's like personally, I wouldn't forget, you know? So let's talk about Bea and - Well then after the challenge, like Melanie starts to crash out, as the children say. um i guess we only started to see that side of her on friday night of this like completely crazy person and like the the talks with sincere about like him exploring and because he pulled kata for a chat which he's like well within his rights to do they are jeremiah and huda yeah but i think her reaction was so like was so crazy and maybe the season just feels which reaction when he starts talking to oh him i thought you were talking about baia yeah sorry melanie when when when she's talking to cc and she's like and she curses so much and it's like i curse i cuss a little but like i fucking want to explore i'll fucking be door the fucking explorer you yeah and it's like yeah it's it's it's uncomfortable and it's like it's really like it's really cringe you know

1:10:57Kirby:every other word is the f word it really speaks to her age this group of people is so young none

1:11:03Jack Antonoff:i don't think one of them is over 25 yeah so no no but she's actually really crazy

1:11:09Kirby:she's not just young she's crazy i felt conflicted because she's a certifiable crazy person but then the conversation with bea first of all i was i i got such a bad feeling from bea when she like sat down kenzie and was like you know you wanted to have a conversation with gabrielle but like you didn't talk to me about it and i just want you to like take accountability for that she kept saying accountability and it's like who the fuck are you are you the police are you the sheriff of love island like you're the behavior police so with kenzie okay i guess she felt personally assaulted by kenzie so she was the accountability police but then when melanie who was like maybe being annoying and flirty like with the new bombshell she was taking it up on behalf of kenzie and it's like seriously who are you like are you the sheriff she was pissing me off so much i was shocked that crazy ass melanie handled it perfectly she was like oh i did and then she turned to trinity she's like oh i'm sorry because i guess it was trinity who she offended not bea so she was like oh i'm really sorry like you know i do that sometimes when i get enthusiastic it should have just been done there but then she was like yeah like after apologizing being like yeah

1:12:12Jack Antonoff:like we felt like it was really extreme like shut the fuck up oh that's so funny because because i'm already out on melanie i was very excited to see someone try and put her oh my god no no and what's funny is so bae is like speaking from completely like she acts like she's speaking on behalf of kenzie she's actually speaking selfishly because she doesn't want kenzie to She always wanted Kenzie to come to Gabriel. Her man. So she's like taking it upon herself to be this voice of the group. But I did think Melanie's behavior with the new bombshell was very weird. She's so mad at Sincere for exploring.

1:12:39Jack Antonoff:Meanwhile, she's googly-eyed. She can't sit near her seat or keep it in her pants. So I'm like, because Melanie is now on like my dislike list, I'm happy to see someone go toe-to-toe with her.

1:12:51Kirby:So Melanie is on my dislike list, but I thought Bea was so out of bounds. Like I didn't agree with her whatsoever. First of all, her behavior was definitely weird. and that's something you can like gossip with the other girls about being like um but like to confront her is crazy too it's not an assault on you so like you if anyone else was upset they could have said something but they didn't even realize until bea brought it up and trinity was like yeah she did do that and then i i do think that trinity was actually um a really good mediator when melanie got up and had her crazy she's just like a very crazy emotional person like her reaction was very outsized wanting to talk to kata being like i need a friend and kata's like no bitch i'm not your friend i loved that i'm sorry bea is my least favorite person on this island i thought I sniffed it a little bit in her conversation with Kenzie like the morality police but then I just I'm sorry I I literally hate this person and she's so high and mighty because she's like in a good connection with the hottest guy there and like I'm sorry I want him so bad to dump her like I just I need her to know what it's like because like how you act at the top is interesting when you get down on bottom right like and so she's just so holier than now like I can't fucking stand her

1:13:50Jack Antonoff:oh that's so funny I don't feel that way and I'm just like happy to see someone put Melanie in her place because she's like tearing up she's like a hurricane it's like it hasn't even like I understand week one like two three as the weeks go on like you're becoming more involved in the sociological experiment no and like but not it hasn't even started yet you're being so mad at this guy who like likes you so much and it's like he's a lot if she could just chill it's objectively gorgeous he's allowed to go and have a conversation well even if she's like yeah right to go and have a conversation with someone that like that is what this show is and you are so not even close to a place where like we're not exploring and just the way that she handled everything and then also with all the new guy stuff she's being like so enthusiastic about it and performative and it's like also to rile up sincere it's not even because she like actually likes him because if she had a chance to recouple with him would she have chosen him no so you're using him no but it's like watching a middle schooler on love island using him and it is stopping i mean now i don't want quentin to like really be with trinity or kensie but like it was their time to like try and talk to this guy when like you are locked in on sincere and like you're co-opting everyone's time to like to put on this performance for sincere like it really rubs me so the wrong way that like if anybody has any issue with her wants to raise it to her i'm listening no i'm sorry like how you feel about

1:15:03Kirby:melanie is how i feel about bea and then i just want to say the conversation that they where they made up and then abea was like i wish i was like as athletic as you like that was really weird

1:15:11Jack Antonoff:melanie was like you get to like fucking play soccer with them and i'm just like standing there

1:15:15Kirby:fucking watching like like that was like genuine like this is what i mean like actual teenagers like we're watching like people who have not experienced life who have do not have their frontal lobes fully formed like they're not smart they're not intelligent they're not saying they're not mature like the conversations are like brain dead and that was like her paying her a compliment

1:15:31Jack Antonoff:it was yes it was so weird i know we were so backhanded to be like moved by the scene yeah but i'm like i don't think that we feel bad for for this one because she's too athletic and I'm supposed to be feel bad for that one because she's not athletic too pretty yeah because she's too pretty no it was they played die on this hill by Sienna Spira like they wanted us to feel some

1:15:51Kirby:sort of way and I guess that's like now Bea's like storyline is that like her whole life she's had to be tough and like Gabrielle makes her soft and like that speech that she gave at the recoupling felt so outsized for this three-day situationship like I actually felt uncomfortable and I think he was already like interested a little bit now in Kenzie from like her performance from her splits challenge yeah he's here that I think this this crazy speech she gave maybe pushed him even further

1:16:15Jack Antonoff:into Kenzie's arms I hope so yeah I think it's like everyone's just acting like so set and it's like we just got here nobody is with anyone everything is open and fluid I want to talk

1:16:28Kirby:about Anaya okay so Anaya is hands down my favorite person in the villa I think she's such a queen I don't really believe in their love like I think that they were like a situation of like a connection of convenience because they but like were the singles at the first challenge and now they're just together and they maybe have some things in common and he keeps saying all the right things I don't know if I believe him but I got very um like caught up in their whirlwind romance when they had the conversation about how like Anaya's the blueprint and it's like a conversation on colorism how like you know I think like in the black community like the darker your skin sometimes like you like they they like place less value like the darker your skin is and he was just like no no you're the blueprint like I I got like I was I do feel like he's a little bit of like a wordsmith just like says what he's exactly supposed to say but I got caught up in it I'm like yes she is the blueprint I know she's the only person on this show who's not out here embarrassing herself acting like an immature like I love her and so the fact that he said that and saw her I was like you know what she is the blueprint like I got very caught up in it and Like they're my number one.

1:17:28Kirby:No, I know.

1:17:29Jack Antonoff:And like, even though I'm not completely like sold on like their romantic connection yet, like he's done nothing to, you know, be, he's not said one thing to her and then something to someone else. So like, I'm going to give them the better, give him the benefit of that. Cause I do think like she, she's fantastic. And she really seems to be like the voice of reason on the show towards the girls. You know, she's always giving advice and also for the audience, like someone that who's like a reliable narrator. Yes. Cause the other girls can get a little crazy. yeah a hundred percent also trinity such a queen also trinity's coming up trinity's coming up and

1:18:02Kirby:i have to like stop my brain from resurfacing the daylight savings um car blow job because like that's not congress but the girl first of all i thought she really ate in like telling bia she wasn't 100 right and then her connection with bryce they're just like so funny he was she was like did you have like an ugly face growing up and he was like no like i actually think that they're

1:18:19Jack Antonoff:funny um I wish she didn't share that yeah there was a lot that was shared there that was not yeah was not favorable toward the villagers yeah but that was by far that was obviously the highlight um but I'll I'll I'll try and move past it otherwise you know we'll never move on yeah uh but no that's I can't think about it too hard but yeah no I like her and Bryce oh I like Bryce and Zach like I think they're yeah Twitter thinks that Bryce and Zach have like a whirlwind romance

1:18:49Kirby:they are the Nicolandria of this season like two people who are acting as friends but who are obviously in love even though Nicolandria is not in love um they're hilarious no or maybe they'll

1:18:59Jack Antonoff:be the first throuple like maybe that was a foreshadowing when Bryce like wanted to get in on that like maybe it's the three of them I love that yeah something new and fresh so tonight I

1:19:09Kirby:will not be able to watch because I'm busy like being not like anyone else and certainly not like any other girls so love island recap resumes on wednesday okay great that's our show you guys thank you so much for listening to the toast of money just like pour one out for sean like

1:19:25Jack Antonoff:and i can't because my simple modern is leak proof but i'm pouring one out i just need i need them to

1:19:31Kirby:give him his job back i know maybe he'll be a cuss on more or something and it's like but no the thing is he had no like sparks or connections with anyone so bringing him back doesn't like shift the plot at all he's just some random guy i saw the two bombshells that we're getting and like

1:19:44Jack Antonoff:they're probably gonna go for like those other guys obviously like not like the steady stable cop and also like he did say like he wants to like do it doggy style pull your hair and speak in your mouth and like i don't oh my god i forgot that about him and so like i don't know how he can get back on the force after that oh my god i don't know how the other you know cops can look him in the eyes after every how can anyone look at the eyes after like that and also i found that challenge that slime part like was a humiliation ritual it was really upsetting when they like kenzie was the first girl and like it just totally like rocked her and then she has to go reason why

1:20:17Kirby:it was so humiliating it was because it wasn't like a dunk tank where they drop you down they hurled you forward so you're like flying through the air like with your limbs and you look so

1:20:25Jack Antonoff:and like belly flapping your face hits the water it's also like slime and it's disgusting it's not like water if it had been water then they could just be wet which they swim all day anyway who The fact that Kenzie and the other girls, she like had to do her performance like this slimed up like goop ball. It was really humiliating and I found it upsetting.

1:20:42Kirby:Agreed.

1:20:42Jack Antonoff:I found it upsetting to watch. And if somebody slimed me, let me tell you. Let me tell you might think we're friends. You might think weeks will go by and I'm your best friend in this house. And they'll think that you've forgotten. And they'll think I will never forget. And I will hit you where it hurts the most when you're least expecting it.

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