The Story Of Us: Friday, December 12th, 2025

45:35i don't i don't that's not the read that i got you know okay but so like why else would she still be with him she's so much cooler she's so much better looking she's this like young hot thang famous gal like she's financially independent like i don't know i never really thought about it like why not think about it and then i think you might come to the same conclusion i guess so like she must like really really love him and you know what we should be championing true love even though he is my nemesis like i do believe that they should stay together i do oh wow yeah do you think they are together right now what do you think about the rumors i don't know they keep like making these tiktoks like playing into the rumors and it was all at bravo con and they won't confirm i believe it has something to do with the show and the new show too in the city right at this point I'm just so conditioned to them like any normal person would be like oh that's divorce that's a reason but I don't know they've survived worse I don't know I think they're together yeah I do yeah I've been watching a lot of reality tv and it's like you know what I don't even want to know what's going on right now like I want to watch my show totally like I want to live in the universe it's like it's like it's entertainment like I want to watch the show I'm watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake City now and it's like I don't want to know what anyone's up to right now I want to watch my show Jen Shaw's free Jen Shaw's free she's not coming back to Bravo and he has said like left right and center and I don't miss her no um but I am I'm watching the season with Monica I feel like I'm about to be at the part they just went to Bermuda I think I know something of what happens but as you guys know on the show I've avoided spoilers of like Monica gate for years yeah oh yeah the chickens are coming home to roost and i'm so excited um and i know this this franchise has been good we just like haven't been in it and it's nice to be back with the ladies it took me a couple tries but i'm here and right now this season like i'm team lisa that's who i do you know broadwin i have not met her on the show yet but i've heard of her in the world well she's getting divorced that was like a story i saw that but i don't know what that means okay well you will soon enough my darling you will i don't know if that's good or bad i don't know if they have kids i don't know nothing fifth and final story which is how i like it you know of course yeah i'm just watching my show fifth and final like literally me i'm watching my program the only show i don't feel that way about is southern charm where i'm like dying not to text anyone and be like who's dating what's what's the tea yeah fifth and final story is taylor swift's first two episodes of her documentary came out and there's quite a lot there.

48:07I was trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't had the time to watch it yet. We're going to talk about what's in it even though we haven't watched it. Yes, just because she is talking about the Vienna terror threat. She's also talking about the Liverpool attack and she gets really emotional. Like she's crying in like the confessional and then she's also crying because she met with like a bunch of the families and then I think before a show and she's just like crying in her costume. So Taylor Swift teared up in her new End of an Arrow docuseries while reflecting on the darker moments from her record-breaking tour in episode one, an emotional swift addressed the thwarted terrorist plot that led to her canceling the three scheduled Eros tours in Vienna.

48:42She said, I thought this would be a tour I would be proud of. It's like a force to be reckoned with in a global culture. So never in my life did I think that we would have a terrorist plot, she said during a sit down interview in London, where she would be resuming the tour mere days after the threat. Noting that this isn't her first concert, she tearfully admitted, but this was the first one I feel like, I don't know, I'm skating on thin ice or something. We've had a series of very violent, scary things happen to the tour like we dodged a massacre situation so I've just been kind of all over the place she reflected we dodged a massacre situation she cries she shares that she met with the families and I remember at the time when we were talking about especially the Liverpool attack how heavy that must be on Taylor and I don't know why I just never thought we would hear from her this is uh and I would have totally respected her decision to never share with us and what that was like and then her thoughts on it.

49:35So I didn't think that this is what the documentary was going to be, honestly. Yeah, but I guess if they were filming her in, like, real time during the shows, then that was, like, a major thing that happened. And even with Vienna, she put out a statement but, like, didn't harp on it. Like, too much, like, kind of, like, got back to the shows. And, again, like, she doesn't have to say too much, but given that she's doing a documentary of the tours, like, it is interesting to see, like, how she felt about it and, like, how it happened. Right. But that's really heavy. I guess I didn't think about like what we would get on this documentary.

50:09So I hadn't even thought about that. Me neither. I thought it was going to be like a little bit more shallow being like, well, here's how I choose what outfit to sing with what song. Because there is like a lot of intricacies around like the mashups. And I'm sure she could have done a 10 part series and we all would have watched it and loved it. That was like a little bit more surface level. But given that she's like filming interviews in real time, like she went to London, like is doing a confessional. yeah she has to talk about like what happened we might have realized that it was taken out if we had watched it but no it's not like a regular concert dvd where it's like we're filming footage from the show and then in a few months she's going to reflect on all of it it's like it's how she's filming herself as everything's unfolding so it does make sense that it was included because i'm sure it also like changed the tone of her experience like i'm sure it just kind of like also she had um that tragedy in south america right where someone passed away Yeah, from like heat stroke.

51:02So that just sort of like just changes your mood and your vibe. So addressing it makes sense. Yeah, of course. It sounds. Did you see that her Spotify wrapped video went viral? No. So I'm sure you guys saw because you got it from us. But when you got your Spotify wrapped from your favorite artists or your most listened to podcasters, a lot of people were able to send videos to their fans if you were in like the top 1 % of listeners. And so the top Taylor listeners got a video. And it's like, thanks so much for a great year. love you bye and taylor's was like oh thank you guys so much and she then she started promoting her new documentary and her docu-series and it went really viral being like taylor smith can't even like thank her fans without just like promoting something and it's like you know what yeah like that's my capitalist queen right there okay yeah i have to see the video but it's like does she really worry that the top one percent of her fans are not going to be watching that documentary right right is that really a concern i don't think so so why i don't know you know why yeah um i got a big from a video not for my number one artist because he's long dead tchaikovsky so i got one from my number two artist peppa pig and she was really really thrilled that we spent the year listening to bing bong boom what did people have to say she's like thank you so much for listening to my music my brother george and my sister evie are so excited that you like us like she's you really sound like her i know and what's funny is we were reading paddington the other night and i was like trying to explain accents and so i was trying to do a british accent like i literally i froze oh it's like it's like sometimes when you're like singing for your kid you get like embarrassed and now here i am like thank you so no that was really good Well, if you got our Spotify wrapped video, Slay, thanks for the support.

52:54And that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty cool. To see. Yeah. Spotify wrapped this year was like a mess for me. Of course. Also, I just need to like I need to defend myself and my family. We don't listen to that much Peppa Pig. But just the songs that we listen to are very short. And you know how it goes. Like when they want to listen to a song, we listen to it on repeat. and all of a sudden like the streams are getting super high plus we do a lot of our fit like driving in zach's car so like if he it's not your account actually we should make one account i should just a family account because if that were the case like rascal flats would have been my number one album right listen to it all summer party summer i just like need to it's like just hold myself accountable i'm gonna cut to a quick ad break and then let's take a look at the year at a glance, would you?

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me about your year I mean it was a beautiful year it really was we welcome I welcomed a new nephew um a son of my own you know it was a pregnant year it was a it was a big year for the big girls it was a year of growth in every sense and and a lot of beautiful personal growth this year um so i've just uh it's been a lovely year it's been lovely to have you back and it's been lovely to have you back because this year was also your maternity leave and so the girlies were a little bit apart this year yeah shout out to the toasters for sticking with us for two maternity leaves in one year i feel as though we slayed the house down boots both times but of course everyone just wants jackson turned original recipe and we love that you love it so thanks for the patience thanks for the love and support thanks to everybody who tuned in this week i mean this week well this week yeah but also this year it was great getting to connect digitally with our community and this is while it is our final toast episode of the year we still have one our jenny mccarthy interview which is coming up next but also five episodes on patreon it's always a good time to be a patreon member you guys i've been saying this and we're gonna do a lot of at a glance on patreon this month because we do have to do like top stories of the year our favorite stories that we discuss like so many things that we do annually um so there will be a lot of good content on the toast post personal because we'll be together and like pop culture if if you don't really like us that much and you more so like um the stories i don't feel like there are people that don't like us yeah i guess in thinking at a glance like this year held the most change for the show yeah the frames was that this year that was it was oh my god it was only like the summer so like oh okay this year like if you made it through till today like things will be a lot you know i think more calm in this next year so the frames are here to stay jackson claude like i'm so glad we're over like the frame hate era from everyone like now the frames were ahead of their time yeah much like shakespeare was he yeah he wasn't appreciated in his own time they say about him wasn't he like selling out theaters no i think like they were like okay good luck with your plays yeah and i think it was probably like lowbrow yeah it was considered like reality tv trash yeah and now it's like well we actually consume trash so that's good right the bar has been lowered shakespeare is good yeah so with that we'll bid you adieu for the final time this year i hope you enjoyed this interview with jenny mccarthy she was fab and she like totally knew and respected the toast which i love like sometimes people come on and they don't know and they're just like oh this is so great um but she like knew it all she knew i had a good singing voice yeah oh she knew you had a voice your voice has reached the ears of miss mccarthy yeah she was like you have a good singing voice right wow yeah yeah i i like fuck i said i dabble i like to say fuck that's what it sounds Probably fuck.

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1:02:55Happy holidays. Chag Sameach. Merry Christmas. Happy Kwanzaa. We love you all. Love ya. Yeah. Excuse me. Bye. Oh, I forgot that that's not my thing to say. Hey, hey. For the final time this year on the regular show, because I'm sure I'll say it on Patreon. Love ya. Bye. Welcome back to the toast. I am so excited to be sitting down with my final guest of the year. Ooh, spooky. It's Jenny McCarthy. Hey, girl. Hey, you know what they say. Save the best for last. Thank you. I was excited to do your show. I love you. I think you're awesome. Oh my God. Thank you. I love you. I was just listening to you on the Skinny Confidential podcast where I feel like I got your entire life story in 90 minutes.

1:03:40They did such a good job and you're so dynamic. I wouldn't, when I was, how I'm going to introduce you, I don't even know what to call you. I'm not sure either. I ask myself that every day. Yeah. Like, are you, you're a business founder, you're a wife, you're a mother, you are a host, you have a background. I mean, I literally forgot up until when you did Skinny Confidential that you were on The View. Right. I'm hoping most people forget that part. Was that the worst time of your life? It was really difficult. I mean, I know I've talked about this before, but, you know, everyone has done a job in their lifetime that just didn't match.

1:04:10If you haven't, you've dated a guy that just doesn't match. It doesn't fit. I was hired initially to be a pop culture kind of, hey, guess who's in The Bachelor this week? Kind of fun. Bring the light to the view because they thought it was getting polarizing. But Barbara, unfortunately, did not like that new avenue after a week and went back to political, polarizing, fighting. And I could not handle that as a human being. So you just get like stuck there. I got stuck there for a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, I would literally at night when I fall asleep at night. You know, that was when you're falling.

1:04:46Yeah. Literally, I'd be like, Donnie's like, your body's having earthquakes from the amount of stress. I'm sure. They'd be like, let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the United States should pay for people that are, I'm like, I was hired to say, who's the best dancer on days? That's awful. And then they don't help you, right? Like, they just sort of threw you in. They don't help you until they change that. Then they would have someone come in the room and try to give me political opinions. Now, if you haven't watched 24-7 political news, it's really hard to be a commentator. Like, give me a good five years and then maybe I can come back.

1:05:19but when your job literally and even on mass singer my lane i mean i'm hired as the pop culture guru oh that's so true i always forget you're so dynamic like when i think of you i think of it probably not what everybody thinks of everybody has like their jenny mccarthy thing for sure minus the fact that you met your husband on watch what happens live like that is the craziest thing and i don't know if you know that nobody on the entire planet in the world is a bigger blue bloods fan than me come on i literally visited the set like i'm a jenny reagan stan i'm upset was obsessed with that show. So good.

1:05:48Like I, the lore goes really deep with me. Oh, I love that. So are you watching Boston? I know he has a new show. I am watching it. I'm very excited for him. I didn't know who of the, the cast was going to get a spinoff. Kind of a big deal that it was a big deal. And as time goes on, cause my mom's like, I need to get to know the new family more. I'm like, you will, and you will love them. I know the episodes that are coming up that you guys haven't yet. And it's, they're brilliant. You guys are so cute together too. Was Eddie coming at your wedding because he like kind of introduced you technically he was like jenny because we were gonna have him do the vows yeah and we were like we're one of those kind of couples who're like we don't want to bug people yeah and andy would have been like i would have loved to i'm like really we just didn't know so were you guys both guests that night we were guests and that night i thought for some reason i thought donnie was married so i wasn't i say too flirty because sometimes i could be my MTV kind of, you know, Flirty Jenny.

1:06:42Like, oh, you're not bad on the eyes, wink, wink, but not flirty because I thought he was married. But at the ending credits of that episode, you literally see me pat him on the back and I go, you know what? You're a really nice guy. Then four months later, I had my VH1 talk show because I've had many different variations of myself doing things. And he was one of my guests. And I'm like, let me do a little homework. So I'm like reading. I'm like, I don't see who he's, oh he's not married oh I wonder if he's dating I'm gonna get that out of him because you know as an interviewer you want some clickbait so um I'm interviewing him and he was just like no I'm not really seeing anybody which to me meant he just didn't break up with anybody or just seeing people right and then as the interview went on it was only supposed to be a four minute six minute interview it was 90 minutes do you guys ever go back and watch either of the segments all the time you do okay like thank you for being normal because I would too I feel like some famous people would be like no we never watch all the time especially on our um anniversaries but usually we probably go back and watch it like seven times a year because when we're laying on the pillow if you haven't seen it please look up the um it was the jenny mccarthy show on vh1 where we're laying on the ground licking polypops talking to each other we both say this it literally the way we're talking to each other is exactly how we talk to each other now it seems like we've been married for 11 years because we sound exactly like that now.

1:08:04So it's really bizarre. That's so cute. And also just like you being a pop culture expert and obsessor while also meeting your man on, like, it's literally a dream for like a pop culture swirly. We could be a Hallmark movie. You could. You also had a big show on radio at Sirius XM for a while. Long time. You have so many different eras. Right now you're in your Masked Singer era, which like my dream, I've always said, like, I love to sing, but I love to also criticize people singing. Like, I'm like a Simon Cowell of sorts. Whenever I meet someone, I'm like, oh, you sing? Let's hear it. So you being like a judge on that type of show, I imagine it's the best job in the world, just like sitting and hearing people sing.

1:08:36And you have the privilege of pretty much listening to mostly good singers. Correct. Yeah. The reason why I love this job, too, is because we actually give flowers. Yeah. I'm not a mean girl. Yes. You know, if someone can't sing, this is what I usually come back with. You are so brave to come out here, girl, and have that kind of courage, you know, because I feel like there's enough people giving insults and criticism and it is hard to come out there. Of course. Especially if you're not a singer on this show. So I like giving the flowers and I don't like being a meanie. So that's right. And again, I'm not the one that's supposed to give the critique.

1:09:14Right. Because you're not the singer expert. You're the pop culture expert. Right. I would say something like, I just watched your story and your clue package and it moved me so much. And I see the growth that you've had, you know, so that's where I come into play. And what is your rate of successful guesses? Oh my God. Because when I watch the show, I think, and I know everyone, I know everything. Like I watch every show. I watch everyone's Instagram stories. It's really hard. Like I don't think I've ever watched a clip or seen someone. I feel like maybe I guess like when Sheena Shea was on. But besides that, I really, it's much harder than I think someone would think it is.

1:09:45It's much harder in the studio. And I'll tell you why. Because we don't have speakers by the guest panel. So we are relying on the bounce of the sound off the walls. That's why we all look like we're deaf. We're all like, oh, yes, you do do that. Because there's no speakers by us. And that gives us a disadvantage so we don't immediately guess who you guys are. Now, when you're at home, it's so obvious who the person is. And we have to go through social media where people are like, you idiot. I just want to tell you, I don't think that it's obvious. When I've watched it, I'm like, I have no idea.

1:10:17Okay. But also you cover a wide range of people. You have like lots of athletes, like lots of different generations. And there's a lot of athletes who can sing. Right. So there's a lot of surprise people. And there's also we have some amazing artists who are supposed to be able to sing who then can't sing without their auto-tune. And we don't guess. We think that they're athletes. And do you believe that everyone who is performing, because you can't see them, you believe they're really in there like they are for sure? Oh, yeah. They're 100%. Yeah. Because do you remember that movie back in the day called Game Show?

1:10:47There was a movie. This is – oh, my God. You guys have to watch this. Okay. There was a movie and there was a documentary at first, but there was a game show back in the 50s, 60s, someone can help me, where they were feeding someone, Mr. Joe Schmoe, the answers so he would win every week. Oh, of course. I know this story. Yes. Yes, yes. So then he got to be the most famous guy in the world. He won all this money. Turns out they were feeding him. Then a law came into play. Right. So that's why we have legal people, standards of practices and game show authority people that are literally hovering over us while we are voting.

1:11:23So it's like we can't even whisper. I can't be like, yo, Ken, who do you think you want? Oh, you don't deliberate with one another. No, no. I can ask them afterwards, but it's pretty private. And so how many people do you think you've successfully guessed? Okay. And you've been on since the beginning. the average yeah since the beginning i would say if everybody else gets about 15 correct i would put myself at 30 40 that's pretty good not bad because there's a lot of time secret close your ears fox listening there's a lot of times where i might guess too soon and they'll remove it out of the edit oh yeah because you don't want to give the people at home like the answer right away oh interesting so there's a lot of times where i'm like damn those fox executives removing my guests because they'll never know that you actually got it right and you guys i am psychotic competitive i literally i've had executives come in my dressing room almost every season sit down with me at a table and say you need to calm down yeah you need to come down i'm like i'm sorry was it my job to guess who's underneath the mask but i take it to the level like there's an academy award at the end of it.

1:12:34I appreciate that. So I won, they have the golden year trophy. I've won like four of them. Wow. So they got rid of it because they keep winning it. Yeah. I'm like, but there's something fun in that also. Of course, like competition. And I said, listen, these bozos next to me only Google themselves. I am in tune to everything that's going on in pop culture. Yes, you are. So I deserve those. So like four years ago, my agent was like, you can you send me a video of yourself singing and I said sure I thought you'd never ask like yeah and she told me later on that it was for the mass singer and they passed on me and honestly like I don't know if I could do it but I think I could win by the way I've heard you sing before and I think you would not only win you would dominate I think so too because it's and I feel like I'm one of those unique people it's cool that you guys have like obviously you know Amber Riley one yeah from Glee like she's the best voice ever like we knew that I think the fun of the show was when you see like somebody who's an athlete or somebody who's a comedian who has an amazing singing voice and that's me like i'm not a singer by trade but i'm telling you i have an amazing voice you have an amazing voice i mean would do you think you would ever do it um like of course can you let me know when well that was my other question has anybody ever like dm'd you being like i'm coming on no never that's like really illegal right sherry shepherd came on and she walked on the stage i go i know that walk and then i texted her i was like yo what state are you in right now and she's like i'm in new york and she showed a picture of me a selfie with new york behind her and i was like that's someone that's just like that's pretending to be sherry shepherd so she threw me off even though i try to cheat is it true that the show is based on like a japanese korean korean korean show because it really is such like a crazy right concept do you think people will guess you yes i mean my if you read my podcast reviews it's everybody being like oh my god claudia you're singing voice please stop um so i'm always singing i actually have released two pop songs so i do think the listeners of the toast if i was on like i think they would get it instantly i think i would get you instantly yeah and like i don't know i'm saying that but now i'm gonna if you ever come on the show i'm gonna feel like a real idiot well now if i ever come on the show we'll have to replay this clip back right right maybe you guys could use it as my little clue that's true it's just like my dream job to like sit i've always like when i grew up watching american idol x factor those types of singing like talent shows and to me it looks like the most fun job you're in this big chair you look gorgeous you get to like just watch everyone and give you a critique and you're sort of like like a godly figure what costume would you think you would want to be because you can pick your costume sometimes so i have thought about this i think i would be like um like a king charles cavalier oh so i have well okay so i have i have a king charles cavalier now his name is romeo he's not like i don't love him so much but i had like my soul dog who passed away a couple years ago i think you actually two years ago like yesterday um and we are obsessed with king charles cavalier i had one growing up and i think because they do like animals, right?

1:15:17I think I would be like, yeah, dog. That's beautiful. See, I would be a cheeseburger. Oh, they do food? Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. I love that. I'm a Wahlburger. Oh, right. Oh my God. Your lore is so deep, Jenny McCarthy. You're also part of the famous Wahlberg family, but you also eat really healthy. Do you eat Wahlburgers? I do. I'll eat the meat only. Okay. So you're not vegetarian. You're like carnivore, right? I tried being a vegetarian, but my body will not allow because I have so many issues. So I did carnivore for about six months to reset my system. It was the greatest thing I ever did for myself.

1:15:50Oh, really? Yeah. But you don't stick with it so hard. You're not supposed to stick with it after a certain amount of time. When did you become a mom? I was 29 because I thought everybody should have a baby before 30. Okay. Like literally me. I was pregnant when I was 29. I was like, thank fucking God. That's so interesting. How do you feel like being a mom is a part of your identity in terms of your career? Because I feel like a lot of women love your book. You talk a lot about now like menopause and perimenopause. Why do you do like, why do you feel like that's something you want to explore beyond comedy and stuff?

1:16:22You know, I always want to be a mom. I wanted like four kids. And then when I gave birth to my son, you know, you always hear people say like, oh, just wait, your love is going to grow so immensely. I had no idea the chamber, the extra chamber that would grow in my heart, the moment they handed me my son, I was like, this is what life's all about. Totally. Like we are, as females, we are creators. We create a human being. I literally every day was like, I'm going to be the greatest mom in the world. And that's all I wanted to be from that day forward. I'm like, I'm going to take every job that would help you.

1:17:05I'm going to work so hard to be a great mom. I'm going to love you to pieces. And now it's just, that's all I work for. I live for. I just want to be the greatest mom to protect him. And you also have like a blended family, which can be tough. Yes. What's the secret? Giving it time and being good role models. And what I mean by that is initially, you know, Donnie and I both had a son that was in the same age group. And that was, uh, I'm going to say like they were both freshmen in high school. That's a tough time. Tough time, tough time. For boys especially. Yeah. And then, you know, we weren't like, don't kiss me.

1:17:41Let's not kiss each other in front of them. We were like, no, no, no, no. Let's model what healthy, loving relationship looks like. They might be like cringe, but so is every teenager. A hundred percent. But we wanted to show them. And it wasn't, by sticking to that, by having love in the house and being an example of that, it was so quick. Oh, really? It was so quick. Like, and, you know, they both had their own identities. You know, my son being special needs wasn't in competition. Right. So that really kind of was helpful. And now they love each other. That's so nice. It's so nice. I'm so lucky.

1:18:16Yeah, I love that. I mean, you and Donnie are just the best. I feel like on social media, he has like such, I mean, I'm a part of like the Blue Bloods family, which I feel like is like small in comparison to his new kids on the block. Oh, yeah. Like, what is it like? You go to their shows and stuff, but it's really, I don't want to use the word cult because that has a negative connotation. but the fandom is very intense and they're like people who have been fans of him for 40 years like it's a sisterhood is it crazy it's unbelievably beautiful yeah let me explain why when i first started dating donnie i was like i was like oh i forgot what if his fans all hate me what if i'm like running down a street and they're throwing cans at me yeah it when i learned about outside of that i'll get to that this is the most incredible like i go there needs to be a documentary on Donnie's blockheads.

1:19:00Yeah. They are sisters. And what I mean by that is they all have gotten to know each other for the past 40 years. They fly in for reunions with each other. That's really cute. For 40 years. When one has cancer, they fly to that city. Wow. Take care of that mom. Raise money. Fundraisers. It is unlike anything I've ever seen. Yeah. And it's so underrated when you think about like we're in like stand culture right now with like so many crazy artists. The Swifties, like they're always fighting with one another. You really forget about the blockheads. They go deep. They go deep. And then them taking me on, accepting me has been like the most beautiful.

1:19:35Donnie's like way to start meeting everybody. And I've been doing pop-ins for my beauty brand, which we'll talk about later. And I've gotten to meet them all one-on-one now. And it literally makes me cry because they're such beautiful people. You didn't get any hate in the beginning? Well, there might have been two that have been like, you know, you plastic surgery face, die. You plastic surgery. I'm like, I've heard way worse in my 35 years now in this career. I'm like, it's fine. But they're all just been lovely. If there's any haters now, they're definitely quiet. Because the sisterhood would go attack the one now.

1:20:09When you were at SiriusXM, did you ever go on the Howard Stern show? Yes. And was that in his era of like, because he's so rehabilitated now. He's like very cultural and he's very cosmopolitan. But there was a time where it was, you know, different. Sign of the times. Yeah. When you went on, which Howard was it? I was on during old school Howard. And then I was on during kind of, I would say, the more transitional where he is kind of now kind of a place. And what was that like? Less like more interviewee now. Yes, he's very deep now. I read his book. I thought it was like he's very not at all what you would expect.

1:20:46When you say people can't change. I mean, look at Howard Stern. It's insane. By the way, what people don't know is when the camera goes off, he might be very boisterous maybe on camera or bold and brave and ballsy. When he shuts down the camera, he's very kind of sweet and just a super kind of meek, nice guy. Timid, yeah. Yeah, he's like when I see him in the hallways, I'd be like, hey, Howard, and he'd be like, hi. Wow. You're really ahead of the times with your radio show, like doing pop culture. I feel like now that's literally what we do. Would you ever do a podcast? I am actually yes starting probably in the fall of next year it'll be a little bit of a hybrid between talk show and podcast.

1:21:29I was shocked when I learned that you didn't. I just kind of assumed that you did is there a reason you haven't done it yet? Because I did serious sexism for seven years then Mass Singer came about and they moved us to two seasons a year instead of one. On the Mass Singer? On the Mass Singer so I kind of said goodbye to that serious and was like I can always come back. Now Mass Singer is one season a year. So that leaves me a lot more time. And I was like, this is a great opportunity. I miss interviewing. I want to be back in it. So I'm getting back in the game. Oh, I love that. Okay. And so pop culture wise, what are you into right now?

1:21:59What shows are you watching? What stories are you following? Are you a Swifty? Like I need to know everything. Okay. I'm going to be really honest. And I don't want the Swifties to come hate me because there is a happy ending. Okay. I've never been a Swifty. Okay. There's been some catchy songs back in the day. Of course. but my friends love her and um there was that recent song fit of ophelia uh-huh that i saw people doing this tiktok dance too so then i'm like oh my god this song is so catchy then i find myself like singing the song all the time that i'm like you know what i'm gonna buy this song because i love this song so much right now and i real and i went to buy it and said taylor swift and i went oh my god you didn't even know it was taylor swift i didn't even know it was the power of Taylor.

1:22:45So then I had to call my friends. I go, guess what I am. Like what I'm like, you know what I will say? I'm rooting for them too, as a couple. I'm so happy she found him. I think he's going to bring everything that was missing in her life. Totally. And it's just like, it reminds me of just like an old school romance back in the day. Yeah. You know, it's very traditional, very traditional. And I want her to have babies. I want her to start singing about stretch marks. Oh my God. I said, cause I literally just had a baby and I've been a Taylor Swift fan like since day one. And I love that she writes about the things that I have lived and dealt through with my whole life from like a perspective of we're similar ages.

1:23:25And I kind of like selfishly, I need her to have a baby. I know. I did. I literally said the other day, I go, she needs to have a baby now because that's where all of her peeps are. And you need to hear, we want her to go through the transition that we all have as mothers, which is, oh my god it's not about me anymore when you realize you are living for this human that you created life shifts your paradigm is upside down those little things that used to bother you are nothing once you become a mom so it'll be interesting to see how her music changes totally like and i just want to say i'm so ready for it breastfeeding yeah right

1:24:05Did you breastfeed? No, I tried it for a day. And I was like so paranoid about having implants that I was like, I'm scared. You had them before. I had them already. Yes. I was like, what if there's a leakage in the tubing and which there isn't, but I was so paranoid about that that I didn't do it. It's easy to get paranoid day one. Yeah. I'm still on my breastfeeding journey. Bless you. I'm always talking about it. That's why I asked. I would breastfeed for many years if I. Yeah. It's just hard because like I know everyone's supposed to be talking about this. It's really hard to lose a baby weight when you're breastfeeding.

1:24:40Yeah. And that's currently what I'm just sort of grappling with. Yeah. But so worth it. I'm telling you the immune system and your baby is going to be lightspeed against everybody else's. Okay. Other pop culture. What do you make of Harry and Meghan? That's a great question. Thank you. You know, in my old age here, I try to look at it from a different perspective. It gives you a little bit more wisdom. And I feel I have an empathy for them, a sympathy for them, because I know what it's like to be in the public eye. It's awful. My diagnosis, though, of Megan is possibly there might be a bit of narcissism in there.

1:25:23Right, because a normal person would step away. Yeah, step away. But this is the thing that I think that bumps everybody is the hypocrisy. of like wanting to get out. And if she wanted on all married to get out, because if I lived in the house that they were going to put me in this moldy cabin, I'd be like, get me out here. I need a Starbucks across the street. That little cottage. I was so funny when she described it. Yeah, no, I agree with her. And then I saw pictures and I was like, oh. Yeah, she was not kidding. She wasn't joking. I'd have gotten out of there too. Agreed. So, and then if she would have gotten out but to dismantle the royal family, and they could have been 100 % worth dismantling.

1:25:59You just don't go then and then try to have people say the Duchess of Sex is entering the room. That is where you're going to lose your audience. Yeah. It doesn't feel authentic. And then she's also really trying to brand herself as a solo kind of – Megan. Megan. Megan period. Susie Homemaker or whatever you will. um and on the flip side i do know that you know she's a human being a mom trying to maybe make a career i don't know where they're getting does harry get any money i don't know the money is very because they live a very expensive life they live in montecito like that house is not cheap and they have a bunch of projects but a lot of times they don't finish those projects like she famously didn't finish her spotify podcast her second podcast he has a book deal for three books he's only released one.

1:26:46Like, right. So, you know, that's why I feel like that money could run out. Yeah, definitely. So she could be having a panic of, I need to make a brand real quick so we can sustain our lifestyle. Yeah. Um, I just don't think the jams are going to sustain the Montecito lifestyle. I don't, I don't think so either. And I don't think so either. Did you ever live in LA? Cause you live in Chicago. Yeah. Oh yeah. I lived in LA for 20 years. Oh, loved, hated. Hey, I did not like it. Oh wow. I didn't like it. You know, I'm from the Midwest. There's a Midwest sensibility of, you know, just like this down to earth, you know, sit on the porch, you drink beers, the kids catch lightning bugs.

1:27:21That does not happen in LA. In fact, you don't know your neighbors in LA. So I, um, I got out of Dodge when Evan turned eight, I was like, I need my son to play in fire hydrants, ride the bike down the street where I don't think he's going to be kidnapped and, um, play in the fire hydrant. That's really cute. I agree. Next pop culture. Are you into TikTok at all? Like, do you know the players? Well, Alex Earl, I don't know the players you don't know the players okay so did you watch dancing with the stars this season do you feel like dancing with the stars is kind of a competitor to um mass singer uh i was having this conversation with somebody who she was an influencer she has an amazing singing voice and i was like would you ever go on the mass singer um because we both agreed like we can never go on dancing with the stars it literally seems so hard and i feel like it's really similar you know i i think it's similar in terms of uh possibly casting similar celebrities right we do a lot of crossover.

1:28:12But I guess if you were dancing with the stars, you might be a mass singer of viewers. We might attract the same people, but I don't look at them as competition. Interesting. Yeah. What do you make of the Kardashians? Do you watch your show? I do watch the Kardashians. You do. So do I. I do. I do love the Kardashians. You've interacted with them over the years. Yes. I did Skims. Me and Carmen Electra did one two summers ago, I think. Iconic. It was pretty fun. I showed up not knowing we were going to be doing a 90s old school like red Corvette water hose. I was like, I would have bikini waxed everything if I known I was crawling in all fours.

1:28:52But nonetheless, it turned out great. Was that a high paying gig? You know what? It was a fair paying gig. It was fair. A little wage. Uh-huh. It was fair. But I do love watching the show. Me too. I love Chloe. I want Khloe to branch outside her family for guests. She's definitely like scarred from this whole life. It's very shocking to watch her because she's always been like the most confident, loud one. And in recent years, it's very clear that like - She's scarred. She's scarred from fame. I think she got probably, not the brunt because Kim has always been more famous, but so much of the negativity when it comes to like people who hate the Kardashians.

1:29:26They really comfort Khloe in her looks for so many years. Think about the trauma that she's gone through just outside of that. Of course, then there's like the Lamar and everything. A hundred percent. So she's, she's got a, she's got armor and I know that armor, but she doesn't want to let anybody else in. She doesn't even go out. You know what I mean? But I'm hoping that her podcast, she kind of introduced more people. Like I would love to do her show. Totally would love you on there. Everybody, you know, and this is where I think that in my brain, I go like, I could totally be friends with Chloe.

1:29:55You know what I mean? We all think we could be friends with Chloe. But that's why she's everyone's favorite because she's so real. So what do you make about the sisters? I feel like every season we have this conversation, but it feels more than ever like they're so, especially Kourtney and the others, they're so distant. Like there is such a weirdness in their relationship. And of course, they're all on different paths. Kim is like in her hustle era. She can't stop taking different gigs. And Kourtney's the total opposite. We're breastfeeding her eight-year-old. So what do you make of like the sort of shift and that there's really like a divide between them?

1:30:24There is. I think therapy is its own main character in the show. Kim might call it the nemesis in it because I do think there's some truth to when Courtney got into therapy. I will say she found her voice. Yes. It was a good thing for her until a certain point. Correct. I think, and I can understand, you know, in therapy where you learn, Hey, maybe my mom cheating on my dad caused me a resentment for my mom. And now I have, now that's why I don't, you know, I don't get along very well or I'm not as close I should say so I think therapy is causing a lot of um stuff to come up yeah and the Kardashians always talk about that they learn to just brush things under the carpet I think as time goes on we're going to see now that they're all in therapy things come to a head even more and I feel like the show has gotten better because there was a couple of years at the end of the E and then the beginning of the Hulu where like it wasn't my favorite they were just like fake storylines I do feel like they're sharing more now now now let me just dive into this for a little bit second, if I can dissect this, is I'm always interested in how Chris like roots for the exes that have hurt the daughters.

1:31:35I'm mind boggled by that. Now, you know, it's like, why aren't you with Lamar? Like get Lamar back or like Scott should be invited to everything. It's like, mom, did you see, did you watch the other episodes back in the day. Like I gave him so many chances. I've moved on. I don't want my ex. Do you want, um, you know, Caitlin to come here? And she's like, good point. So it goes back to that because I feel like the girls all talk about how amazing it was that their mom and Robert Kardashian after the divorce, it was a little rough for a while, but overall they had an amazing childhood with both parents in the house, even though they weren't together.

1:32:08And they talk about how amazing that was and how much they appreciated their mom putting aside their differences. And I feel like now she's just taken that too far. the way she's like keeps all these toxic men around and some of them like are the kids dads so I understand it to a certain point me too but she's doing too much too much agreed 100 % it's important to get along with the baby daddies but not you know inviting them over to like watch a movie in your bed exactly my final question for you is do you watch Bravo? it depends which show I mean watching The Housewives of Beverly Hills okay and what do you make about Rachel Zoe?

1:32:41I love her I think it was a good choice I think it was a great choice you know what she's given an honest perspective on divorce yes she's not holding back we love her style I think that she's um not scared to use her voice but she's using it also not in a mean harsh way yet yeah because I'm gonna I'm remembering Rachel Zoe the show on Bravo yes where she was like really mean that's not at all what she was giving no she seemed lovely and she's wealthy and stylish and that's enough for me now mind you coming out of the gate you know everyone send out the representative. Like she's putting, you know, she's showing her, um, her boundaries a little bit.

1:33:20Like, you know, don't come for me so quick because I've got, I'm tough. Yeah. But the thing about the Beverly Hills women is that like there is definitely a hierarchy. Like people don't mess with Kathy Hilton because she's Kathy Hilton. And I feel like people aren't really going to mess with Rachel Zoe. Nobody wants to be on Rachel Zoe's shit list. Like they're not dumb. No one wants to. And I want to be stopped by her. So I want to be like, Oh, free advice. Does this bad go with this? Have you ever been approached for any of those shows? Cause you've done reality TV. Yes, I have been approached.

1:33:43But you've been for like Housewives? Housewives, correct. Beverly Hills? I've been approached now for Bethany, actually. This is kind of old news, but Bethany emailed me and said, I'd love to have you come on to the Housewives of New York. When she, in the original or when she came back? When she came back. I love that. Were you living in New York? I was like, girl, I'm living in Jersey. I'm living in Hoboken. I don't know if ever, but you know, no one lives in the city that they say they're from. Right, right. But, and then also when they were going to do Housewives Chicago, I was asked, but I'm, you know, I'm not housewife.

1:34:18I'm a voyeur of it. I'm a dissector of it. If I was on the show, I'd be like, yeah, you'd be recording podcasts. I would just be like loving. Now, if I had to, if times got to rough. Right, of course. You never know. You never know. That's why I say never say never for any job. But yeah. When did you live in Hoboken? Was that during the Blue Bloods? That was during my SiriusXM years, my seven years. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were married to Donnie then? Yes. I was married to Donnie. Yep. The life of Jenny McCarthy. Did you get my beauty package? I did. I think you're also the founder of a makeup brand.

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1:36:01And you started totally on your own. I started with three lip glosses only to see if people were interested in true clean beauty. Right. Because everyone says they're clean and guess what? They're not. Well, the thing is, and I've never been particularly like a clean person until I got pregnant. Yeah. And I didn't really know that that could expand. I did think a lot of like clean beauty was a marketing thing. And I do think that a lot of the products that are marked clean are not. They're not. And I made a TikTok like doing my makeup when I was pregnant and I was using the Milk Hydro Grip Primer.

1:36:26And somebody was like, you can't use that. It's not breastfeeding safe. I'm like, I'm not breastfeeding. Excuse me. Pregnancy safe. and I'm like there's makeup that's not pregnancy safe I had no idea when I go live so many pregnant mamas come on my channel and like I'm pregnant I'm like we made this for you that's so crazy that like you can that like there are makeup products like what's really in them if you can't use them when you're pregnant it's kind of chilling to think about the parabens the phthalates those are cancer causing agreements for formaldehyde the hormone disruptors alone they're still heavy metals you're gonna find a lot of lead yeah in makeup so we follow the environmental working group guidelines and they gave us a list of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients and you have none of them we've yeah none of them we've formed a whole beauty brand around that that's why we belong in sprouts because people care about ingredients that's very cool it's called formless beauty formless beauty do you feel like maybe you want to make code toast for you know maybe five or ten percent off just a suggestion i would love to so why don't we do 10 okay you guys you're welcome yep jenny a pleasure really honestly thank you cannot wait to just see what you do next and we're really looking forward to the Jenny McCarthy podcast era.

1:37:31We had the playboy era. We had the Sirius XM era. We had the reality TV era. We have mass singer era, but we're ready for your podcast. And then please come on my podcast and please think about mass singer sometime. Just ask me. I'll be there. Like, you know, I'm so desperate and thirsty. Like, yeah, I would love to sing. I'll say, I sing at the karaoke for like the homeless man outside. I will sing on TV. All you have to do is ask. Okay, good. And yes, I would love to come on your podcast. Guys, this was our last interview for the year. I hope you enjoyed every minute of it and we will see you on the next one.

1:38:00Thank you.