They Shall Wed with Liz Woods: Thursday, June 26th, 2025

27:21And if they like keep going, they could be like the success story, which is amazing because she had children with somebody else and she had like very torrid breakup on camera. And then she really did seem to just like find it and figure it out. Yeah. So I'm not sure about Kylie and Timothy. I like them, but I don't know if they'll - You're saying history as an indicator is not good. Yes. Okay. My bubble. Well, actually, our next story is some Kardashian news because Kim Kardashian is set to star in the new Bratz movie as a villain. So Kim is being eyed to play the villain in Amazon MGM's Bratz movie.

27:54Amazon won a bidding war for rights to the live action film about the popular children's toy in hopes of backing the next Barbie. Additional details about the plot and cast haven't been revealed. I think she'll get the part because she's at Jeff Bezos' wedding. And if she says, I want the part, then Jeff will call and say, give her the part. Right? Yeah. You have some family lore with the Bratz movie. So that's the other part of the story. I love Bratz movie. We were never like Bratz dolls girls. We are more American girl dolls. Yeah, same. But the Bratz movie, and they've already made a Bratz movie.

28:25And so I don't know why they need to like recreate or try and like redo what's a perfect thing. But that's what they love to do. The Bratz movie, as you guys know, like we used to love it growing up and we were watching it one morning. And in the middle of it, like we found out that our dad passed away, which was really obviously sad. And then when we so we went to the hospital and like we spent the day doing that. And then we came home and we finished the movie. So do you think that this would help with your association, like a new version or you actually seem to have a positive, a decent association?

28:54I love the Bratz movie. And I love it so much that not even like the greatest trauma in my life could change how I feel about the movie. And so if they could read if this new movie could be that level of amazingness. And I'm not even joking. Like watch the Bratz movie. Like it's fucking pargy. Is it animated? No, it's a live action Bratz. There's like four girls there in high school. And the campus is like so beautiful. And there's like this mean girl who's like tearing them apart, making everyone feel like they need to be in like cliques and like just be in a box. And they're like, well, I like sports and I like science and I like drama.

29:26Why can't we be friends? And it's just an amazing movie with an amazing message and like a good soundtrack too. And Chet Hanks is in it. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. That's funny. What a roster he has. No, it's the most random movie, but it's so good. So I would say if this Bratz movie could be that good, I, of course, want more goodness. Knowing Hollywood nowadays, it can't be good. They just can't make a good movie. So in that case, don't mess with perfection. I see. I actually think that Kim being, like, the villain in the Bratz movie is perfection. I think that's perfect. And I know that you are skeptical of her, like, acting journey, and I understand why.

30:02But I was thinking about it today and I was thinking like I think in a lot of ways her acting in like traditional roles is actually probably one of her like endgame goals for her because she grew up in Hollywood around like all of those people who to her like being famous was everything. And the way that you got famous when she was growing up was being an actor and things. So I kind of understand like why she has that goal. And I also think they're always trying to like diversify their platforms and get to audiences in different ways. So I think this is perfect. Also, she's such like a brat. Like she's so like she has such big features and she's so that way.

30:35And I the third thing I wanted to say was that I think I understand people who want to get involved in like children's projects when they have children. Yeah. It's the way you always talk about people who do like soundtracks. Yeah. When they have kids. Yeah. So I think it's like I think that that's perfect. That's very kind and generous of you. And I agree that like if she's going to be an actress this is a fun thing to act in. I would want to be in a Bratz movie too. Just knowing like the history and how it's such a storied franchise. and they already have the next Barbie on their hands, but they don't even fucking know it.

31:06However, I will never be so tolerant and sympathetic towards why she wants to be an actress now when she's conquered the world. And I just like, it boggles my mind. She does have a lot on her plate. I do think the law school part is behind her, although I think she has to study for the bar, so that part isn't behind her. But I do think – And then she's going to be a lawyer still? She has said in interviews that she, like, wants to keep it in her back pocket. And I do think she probably, like, when she was doing all those things, going to the White House, Alice Marie Johnson, she probably did feel really out of her element.

31:43Now, that would never be, like, motivation enough for me to, like, take six years to do that when I had four children and was also dealing with, like, a very public divorce and all of these changes. But is it possible she just likes it, that she likes the craft? Yeah, but, like, then you can, like, study the law on the side. Like you don't have to take it all the way. No, acting. The acting. I can't like, you know how we feel about actors and actresses. Like it's just crazy town. Yeah. It's crazy town. And like you do it as a means to an end. Like and the high life and the glamour and like that.

32:17She already has that ending. Or you do it because like you're so like passionate about acting. About the craft. Theater. And you are a theater kid in drama. And she's not that either. So like she has all the perks of the Hollywood life. She doesn't have that like itch for the love of theater. Right. So what are you doing? Well, I guess we'll see. Time will tell with the Bratz movie. Are you going to watch that new show she's in? Oh, is it a Ryan Murphy show? Yeah. She's like Laura Wasser. Yeah. Yes. Like that is so up my alley. I always joke like every time my husband does something that's cringy, I'm like call Laura Wasser.

32:51She's the celebrity divorce lawyer to the stars. And I think that's actually like it looks like it'll be good. There's other people like there's other good people in it. Glenn Close is in it. So I think I'll give it a try. Her other show that she was in. American Horror Story. Not for me. Did you watch it? I think I was pregnant when it was on and it was very about like pregnancy and babies. And it was very, very disturbing. And I was trying to like keep that demonic energy away from me. So I didn't finish it. OK, that's good. But you'll give the divorce show a shot. Yeah, I will. OK, I guess if I hear that it's good.

33:22but I'm not as open-minded as you. Like you're very optimistic. There's just like a dearth of good television. And so anytime something like sounds good, I will try to give it a try. Yeah. Our next, actually, and a little more Kardashian adjacent news part of this story is that Rob has made an appearance in a photo with Kim and Lala Anthony. So Kim posted a photo on Instagram on Wednesday saying happy birthday to Lala. And Rob is in the picture. So I think it's like a recent photo, if not like, you know, in real time. and we get a little Rob appearance. I love seeing Rob anytime we do. I think it makes total sense why they decided to pull the plug on his being on the show.

34:02I think there was a whole court case about his relationship with China, so I get why it's like we have to kind of separate that. And I don't think he really liked it, honestly. I think he probably had a really toxic relationship with filming, which a couple of them do, but they sort of stick it out and tolerate it because they know that it's the best way for them to remain relevant and have their businesses be successful, but it just didn't work for him. That being said, I love any time we get a glimpse of him. Yeah, that he's doing well, and he's still very much in the mix and with the family.

34:32But yeah, honestly, and what they do on the show, it's very girly. Very girly. It's for the girls. There was never, even when things were going well for him on the show, like in the early days, remember when they had that group therapy session? Oh, yeah. Like, there was never anything for him there, and that was probably really frustrating for him, but it was for the girls. Yeah, it was for the girls. And there were like a couple times when you look back, you realize like that should not have been for TV. I remember there was one episode when he had like gained weight and he was at the doctor.

34:58Do you remember this? And Kim is like trying to budge in to like talk to him. And he's like, no cameras. Like I'm so uncomfortable. And you can kind of hear him crying. That's like it's not it's not for TV. Yeah. So when we get these glimpses into him that are like what he wants, I'm always happy to see him doing well. Yeah, me too. Our next story is a little update from Breener. Sabrina Carpenter unveils an alternate man's best friend album art that she says is approved by God amid the controversy. So I guess I'm technically a part of this controversy, though my issue with her cover is different than everyone else's issue.

35:31Like, I just think it's not premium and pargy. And the nature of it and like the mess, like that doesn't like bother me as much because Breener is going to Breen, you know. But she did put out another photo as an alternate album cover. So I don't know what this actually means for like streaming and how we're going to see it. And it's really a beautiful photo. Like it looks like one of those photos from like the 60s of like, you know, that reminds me of that photo of, you know, who Jane Mansfield. Like, I'll find it. It's like a black and white photo. And it's just like her on the arm of a man.

36:08Yeah, I don't know whether this will be the album cover you see when you stream. I thought Olivia's point about this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Sophia Loren and Jane Mansfield. It's just like a beautiful black and white photo, like sort of candid, sort of not. That's what it reminds me of. I really like it. I didn't really care so much about the, you know, salaciousness of the cover until I heard what Olivia said when she was on the toast, which was like, when you're streaming songs in the car, you see the album covers like they just come up. And I do think on the other hand of that, it's like, well, we grew up with like Britney album covers and I did like and I would play them on my jukebox or radio or whatever.

36:45So like I saw those covers, too. This maybe feels like a step above just like a woman scantily dressed. But I thought that just like was a really good point. Like we don't always have to go like be the most sexual just because we can. And she doesn't she also doesn't really like need to. She has such a huge audience and a huge following. And I love that. Like like what you say, her like sexiness is part of her shtick. And I think she usually does it really well, which is why the album cover was kind of surprising. I mean, I think the people writing think pieces about it need to touch grass. But I didn't love it either.

37:19Yeah, I think it's best when it's like more subtle. And it's like you can listen to the same song like kids and they hear one thing and like the parents hear another. And I think that's just like the best way of doing it. And it allows everyone to enjoy your music. Yeah. So if you want to like then take a left turn and go harder in the paint, it just means that like, okay, it's not for everyone anymore. And again, like not an iconic, beautiful image. Sorry. Like that's where I get hung up. That's not an album cover. Right. That's not an album. It's a picture for an Instagram. It was like film.

37:50Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. I think that this is your impact, by the way. Me? Yeah. Or like you spoke for a lot of people when you said like this cover that she originally put out was not Pardee. Like it wasn't beautiful. And maybe your point was a little bit different from like what the people on Twitter were saying. It's a little bit different from people being like, this is bad. Like she's meant to be a role model and this is bad for women and it's degrading. And like I like she reserves the right to like express herself and how she wants it. That's what she wants to be. You know, it's like when it reminds me a little bit of like when Miley was like, it's so not the same because Sabrina's always been this way and never really.

38:24but it's kicked up another notch. And then, yeah, you do alienate. Some parents don't want their kids to listen to this. And it's like, well, that's not good for business. Yeah. I think that she, I think that the tweets she could always ignore, but like once it gets to like the toast and maybe like page six picks it up, I think she realizes, oh, and not to mention you're like her biggest fan and you never say a bad word about her. Right. And I'm still not saying, I'm like, Brina's going to bring. Right. And so, but so that's how you criticize your faves is just being like, this isn't for me. She should do what she wants, but it isn't for me.

38:53And she heard that and said, OK, here's like the God approved cover. Wow. And the Jack's approved cover. You think so highly of me. Well, thank you so much. Even if I don't know what the what was going on in Breener's head. But that's so nice that you think I have an impact. You do. I mean, she like a good artist's team will listen to their big fans. And you're a big fan. And I have a platform. And I'm still like I would I would still listen to this album. Like it's not going to change how you like as long as the music is still good, which it's going to be because it's her and she's like she really doesn't miss.

39:21But I can just like say like it doesn't spark joy, the cover. Yeah. Understandable. I like this one though. Yeah. So we'll see how that lands on, you know, Spotify and Apple Music and all that. I don't know which one will be. Yeah. Maybe like when there's like a clean version of the album and then explicit, they would have two different covers. That's smart. That is smart. And honestly, it makes it easier for me to know which one to select when I'm listening. Yeah. Because I don't know how to find like I don't I'm not going to start typing like, you know, short and sweet clean. Like I just am typing Sabrina.

39:50Do your boys like listening to that type of music with you? No, but sometimes if they're not paying attention, I can get away with playing some of Mommy's songs. Like if they have, after we've listened to Spidey and his amazing friends, and we know the way from Moana, and then they're like satiated, or maybe they're falling asleep, like then I can put on what I want to listen to. I was exposed to Tonys for the first time this morning with your sons, and I think that they're truly fabulous. We love Tonys. People like were telling me about them when Lillian was really small, and so they just didn't apply to me yet.

40:21They still kind of don't. But it is such a good idea. Like if the maker of Tony's is listening to this, like well done. Because it's just great technology that I never would have thought of. And it really is a way to like captivate kids without like being in front of a screen. Yeah. But still like really, I don't know. I just think it's like such a great idea. There's music, there's stories and they seem to love it. They love it. And they can like put the Tony's on the box and decide what they want to play. And you don't have to like keep changing the song. and they can as much, you know, sometimes listen to one for like 20 seconds and then change or they'll listen to one for a few minutes.

40:54They can get all their favorite characters. We need Mario and Luigi on Tony's if anyone at Nintendo could work on that. That's the only ones we're missing. But Tony's is also kind of like a new thing so I feel like the amount of characters that they even have is amazing. Like they have so many. Yeah. We love it. I would say if your kids are like starting like one and up, I remember like Charlie was doing DJ Tony like around when he turned one because we already had Tony's for Harry. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's great. And I think it's hard to like keep kids entertained without just like always putting the TV on.

41:24And so I think it's like a great it kind of captures like what TV does without the screen. Yeah. When I brought them last summer, I call them the boys like talk radio boxes. That's what I said to Chris this morning. I was like the boys because he was playing classical music for for my daughter. And I was like, yeah, like the soundtrack here is a little different. I think they're listening to stories. It's like radio. Yeah. So, yeah. And they have some they have Beethoven's wig. Tony I have to play that one for you it's really good it's funny it's like it's actually really funny it's one of my favorite Tonys it reminds me a little bit of Ian the narrator from Love is Blind because it has an accent who I love and it's like comedy with classical music it's hysterical that's like toast radio yeah yeah toast radio and then they also have a maestro Tony that teaches how to compose and it's such a good one and they like that I need that it's uh that we have like a Beethoven book in my family that I gave to my nephew and that I read to Lillian which is like like all learning about the symphony through Beethoven's fifth, ninth, Beethoven's fifth symphony.

42:22And it like teaches you all about the instruments and like where the instruments come from. So we're big on that type of, that type of stuff. I need to get the, the maestro Tony. You need to get the maestro Tony. I'll give you a sneak peek today when you come back to my house. So proud of Breener for giving us more options. Yes. And just for like owning it and just saying like, I saw what you guys said. Here's an, here's a new album cover. And also like it's got approved. I loved that. Yeah, it's funny. But like then the other part of me is now like you shouldn't have backed down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:52You're not about I'm not about backing down, but I am about Pardy artwork. So I'm stuck. But I appreciate this. And we'll see how it actually plays out. If this is like a limited edition thing or if it will come up when I'm playing her new album. There are very few artists where like when they come out with new music, I know that when I play the album, I will just love it. And so anytime there's one of them, like I will always support it. It's like her, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo. I don't know if you feel that way about Olivia Rodrigo. I do. So I'm always going to support her music. Yeah, same.

43:26I feel the same. Like I'll add it to my like songs before I even hear it. I know I'm going to like it. And I want it on my playlist. Same for like Luke Combs, Morgan Wallen, even though he now has like 30 songs. So I have to be selected. Rascal Flatts, probably. Rascal Flatts. We need more Refuel Duets, you guys. They didn't do Broken Road. So I feel like that leaves the potential for a sequel album. It's the best. Did you listen to it? No, I'm not as much of a country person as you guys are. Oh my God. I love it so much. I just love them. Like seriously. Who would you love to hear them do The Broken Road with?

43:58Oh, I mean, my mind just goes to like the class, like Luke Combs, like just a fellow country singer. But like I trust them, except for Backstreet Boys, to pick the right person for the song. I went to a Luke Combs concert this summer. I do really like Luke Combs. Like, obviously, I'm not as obsessed as you guys are, but I have to say, even if you're not a country fan, like he just puts on such an amazing show. It felt like a rock concert. Yeah. So I was like, I went home and told Chris, I was like, you would love it. And he's not a big country guy either because like it's such a good performance and it's so musical.

44:27Like he doesn't do all of the stuff that like even they do at the Aeros tour, which I think is great. But he's just such a musician that I think anybody could go to his concert and enjoy it. I agree. So. I agree. Putting respect on Luke's name. Our next story, Demi Lovato has a new cookbook coming out called One Plate at a Time to help others heal their relationship with food. So Demi Lovato is cooking up something new and it's not an album. It is a cookbook. The book is called One Plate at a Time, Recipes for Finding Freedom with Food. It will be available next spring. Demi has been open about her struggles with bulimia and other eating disorders.

45:04And she told fans on social media that the project was born out of her own healing journey with food. She said, stepping into the kitchen and learning how to cook has been such an important part of my recovery and healing my relationship with food. The book is filled with simple, comforting recipes that have allowed me to reconnect with myself and find both freedom and joy in my kitchen, feelings that I never thought I could experience. I think this is great. I really do. And I know that Demi has made a lot of career moves that I haven't understood. And she's like the frozen yogurt thing I thought was so a real low for her.

45:35But I actually think this is wonderful because I think that's a real thing for people who like struggle with eating disorders is that food carries like so much weight, no pun intended, but just like being able to like be in the kitchen and cook and enjoy food, I think would be like such a wonderful way for people to heal. So I love this for her. I agree. I just want like I'm curious how that's going to come through in a cookbook. Like it's not about healthy recipes because it's not about thinking about food and healthy versus unhealthy. Right. And it's also a little bit about like learning how to cook to appreciate.

46:07Like, so I just wonder like tactically how she will be able to get that message through in a cookbook. I almost feel like a cooking show would be an easier way to show like the joy of cooking and like the wonders of food. So I just I wonder if the message is going to be able to come through in a book is all my concern. Maybe she'll do like a bunch of reels kind of cooking the recipes in the book. She should get one on the on her. She should get Lish. Yeah. I think I hear what you're saying. So maybe it wouldn't translate to a cookbook. But I think if she's able to do like a digital manifestation of the cookbook, then it could be great.

46:43Yeah. But then it's like, OK, then it's the digital piece that's making it and it's the video that's making it make sense. Yeah. I don't know who's like buying this book, but I think it's a it's a it's a good career move for her. I think so, too. Like leaning into this. She does a lot of cooking videos. That's what I've seen like from her a lot. And then it also just makes me wonder, like, from a I love a cookbook. So, like, what are the recipes going to be? And how can I trust, like, what makes you qualified to give me a recipe? Right. And is it only geared toward an audience that has maybe struggled with something like this in the past?

47:14Or could it be broadly applied to people who just, like, want good recipes? And if you are talking a lot about, like, the journey of healing, like, does it read almost more like a nonfiction book with recipes tied in? she's kind of bitten off a lot here with this project. And she's dug herself into like a corner of people that - It's very niche. It's very niche. Yeah, that I understand. So I will say the avocado toast that she made in the reel where she was announcing her cookbook looked very good. And it looked manageable for someone who's like maybe a novice, but also not, it wasn't just like putting toast in the oven and slapping avocado in it.

47:50What was it? So she grilled the bread on a pan. Do you ever do that? Like with your sourdough? No, I put it in my toaster oven. Yeah, so do I. I think that's like a good, easy way to level up cooking, but I never do it. And then she took like a clove of garlic and like crushed it on the bread and then put avocado on it normally and like sprinkled maybe like a little oil and salt. So it was just kind of like, it was a manageable recipe, but also still like gave something besides putting toast in an oven. That sounds good. We're going to get lunch after this. Yeah. Pura Vida. Sounds good. I actually want that avocado toast actually sounds really good right now.

48:26Um, so while I'm holding space and I support Demi and like, I support this era of Demi and like, I might just buy the cookbook to support her and to support this wholesome endeavor. Um, I think she's maybe bitten off a bit more than she could chew, but I, what do I know? Like, and I am curious what the actual recipes will be like, cause even when you talk about avocado toast, I feel like that's a superfood. It will make you feel good. It will make you feel strong and full and not thinking. Maybe these are recipes that help you feel nourished, full, hearty. So you're not thinking about food all day.

48:58Yeah. It's not like diet foods, but it's also not like, you know, like I in a garden makes recipes with so much butter. With a side of oil. This is like a good, like mindful eating. I don't know if like that's something she'll touch on in the books, but I could totally see it being like a great balance of recipes that, like you said, help keep you full and are healthy. Yeah. Yeah. And I just would like to know like where she got the recipes from since she's a novice cook. like maybe she has a chef that she works with, like which would give it credibility. I would like that. Yeah. I also think that this like type of, you know, there's so many celebrity businesses and people get down on celebrities for having businesses all the time.

49:34This is so inoffensive. Like when celebrities come out with skincare or makeup brands, some of them are great. And I never am one of the people who's like criticizing them for doing it because the cream rises, but literally like the skin cream rises. But this is just like, she's putting out a book. She's not like using all these resources and oversaturating a market. No, like taking up space and taking time and, you know, resources away from another brand. Like there are millions of books in the world. Demi Lovato can write whatever she wants. Exactly. I agree. A book is not offensive. But I'm also not someone to be like, you shouldn't be in this space.

50:07No, anybody can do like anything they want. Just don't buy it. No. And it's like, if it's a bad idea, it's not going to work. So it doesn't really matter like what you think. And if it works, then it was something that people wanted. So great. Agreed. The cream rises. creme de la creme. I know you're from New Jersey. That means creme. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Wayfair. My house is brought to you by Wayfair, my patio, my outdoor furniture, and my summer is about to be brought to you by Wayfair because they have the most amazing, beautiful outdoor furniture. And if you have an outdoor space that needs to be done up for summer, you've got to check out Wayfair and create your own backyard oasis.

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53:21You can get an additional 15 % off their 90-day subscription starter kit by going to fatty15.com slash toast and using code toast at checkout. that's fatty15.com slash toast use code toast at checkout for an additional 15 off their 90 day subscription starter kit our fifth and final story is something that I'm kind of obsessed with because perfect match season three just announced their cast and I feel personally attached to this because I didn't know that Juliet Porter when she was here she told me offline that she was going on perfect match but she obviously didn't say anything on the show on the toast um so I'm like rooting for my girl and then I saw that Freddie from Love is Blind UK is also going to be on the season so more than that AD and um what's the name of AD's they are engaged yeah uh Ollie Ollie is also from Love is Blind UK the same season as Freddie right they are both on the show and we do know in real life like she's pregnant and they're engaged was that from the perfect match oh yes so So like this, I don't, I've never watched the show before.

54:27I don't really know the format, but like between Juliet, Freddie, AD and Ollie, also Clayton. I didn't watch his season with Bachelor. He's on Rachel from the Bachelor's on like, there's a lot of familiar faces. I'm wondering if I need to watch Perfect Match. Yeah, I've never seen it. I know you love Freddie. I also think this is your impact. And the toast's impact is like how much you guys loved and championed him. And he needs like, he needs love. Can Jalen go on this show, by the way? Like they need to bring on people who were wronged by reality TV. Like there should be a reality show like called like P-Jom Nation where all the P-Joms from all these shows get together and find love.

55:00Because that's what like a common theme from this month. I've spoken to like a lot of reality TV people and I'm like and they're single and I'm just like, well, what if we just beep, beep, bop, bop, bop. And I think we need a show called P-Joms where these people can meet each other. Rachel Kirkconnell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually, like also Matt James, I think, could stand to meet someone. Maybe not on the same season, but like. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I completely agree Craig was Craig Craig was just here I'm so glad that you guys I don't know if you talked about it on the Patreon or when he was here but like how he was just the star of the Briss which I was lucky enough to be at like he really was like everybody I know you were there what was your experience well he was obviously the tallest person in the room because like not Jewish so like although Ben's tall but like he was really the tallest person in the room and everybody was everybody was talking about him especially because like you said the services were long and so we were all just like kind of looking around kibitzing and the women were like on the top because it was split so it's like men like on the bottom women were in the rafters and like we get to like chit chat yeah and that's like our role and so we're just looking down at all the guys i said i turned to margo and said like he must be really bored because we were all kind of bored if i if i could say so much god bless ruby yeah um but like it's it's it's boring it was a torah reading day and i was like we didn't even get to the ruby part until like an hour and a Ruby wasn't even in the room.

56:18Right. So I thought that he handled it like so well. And the fact that like he came on and was just like, you know. No, I think we're all thinking like, is Craig okay? Yeah. It's Rishvodesh. And then to hear that like he was so into it. It was like really beautiful. I'm always, when there's like righteous Gentiles who come among us and like not only are, you know, participating but have wonderful things to say, like you'll always have a good spot in my book. No, 100%. Also Pijom. Put them on Pijom Nation. Pijom Nation. yeah I love this idea along with Jalen I have to think of more women Charlie Charlie more women Juliet Juliet who else was here well it's a Love Island spoiler should I not say no we're spoiling Love Island today and actually we can start right now because that was the fifth and final story so let's get into it who else Oh Landria Oh Landria I mean I don't know if she's out it doesn't seem like she's out of the villa but I I thought she had such a wonderful like she just wonderful she was so strong and she had to deal with like all these people crying it's like no like I I felt annoyed for her because like I understand that the women are upset and it would be one thing if they were not upset at all like you want them to be kind of upset that you're leaving but then they were sort of like making it about them I'm sorry they were crying like wild hyenas if I were one of the casa more boys who they all seem really cool and like actually more like better catches than the villa guys agreed i would run from these women yeah the way that they were wailing and alandria is not even crying now alandria has been like a fan favorite she's been my favorite but as i've gotten really frustrated with the villa it's hard not for me to take it out on alandria because with great power comes great responsibility and i feel like she's the leader of the girls like she's the oldest she's the smartest and the fact that like the girls made i'm not going to get over them sending home hannah making the dumbest decision And like, I feel like where was Olandria in that moment to stand up to obviously what was Huda's master plan?

58:15And where was she to say, of course, Hannah's not going home. And of course, it's going to be Amaya. And then look how that worked out because Amaya wound up being the one to knock her out by no fault of Amaya's. The way that they ran that episode with Casa and the recoupling and how it all went down was not conducive to a good show. Because think about like Tommy and Molly on their season. If they went to Casa Amor and Tommy did not engage with one of the girls because his girl is Molly and he's like, that's the test of Casa Amor to see if your relationship is stronger than all these temptations.

58:48So say he didn't engage with her because, engage with anyone because like he knows that Molly is his girl. So none of the girls chose him. That would be like the normal thing. And then he goes home or leaves the villa. I don't know what's going to happen to Nick and Alandria. But let's just say go home because they did say you've been sent home or leave the villa, whatever. I don't know. So stupid. so it's like he's being punished for being loyal that's that's kind of what happened to Nick even though he was trying to make moves on Jaden I think Jaden chose Austin she probably liked Nick more I think she chose Austin because it's a safer choice and that secures her spot and it's like yeah Nick you're cute but like I want to be on the show so I know you're going to go back to Sierra most likely I want to be here I would go with Austin I think that's why she walked up to Austin immediately and why she's staying by Austin even though her conversations with Nick are obviously like much more flirty and cute than her conversations with Austin.

59:38I think that the criticisms you have of the way that they're handling this are actually like a byproduct of how meh the contestants are this season. Like I think the producers are doing all of this as a response to them because they need to make it entertaining. And I don't think these people are that entertaining with the exception of Huda, which was like, yes, it was hard to watch, but it was like a car wreck. Like you had to watch and it kept people watching. So I don't love it either. But I also like it when they got to Casa, it wasn't interesting because there are no strong couples that needed to be tested.

1:00:07So I think production was like, OK, how do we keep the audience interested? And they did it this way. But I think the audience, this does not keep us interested because Nick and Alandria were fan favorites separately and together. Of course, Michelangria edits we've all seen. And now they're probably like having a field day. And unless production did this for the Michelangria stands, of which there are maybe 20, I don't understand why they did this. Like, what is this accomplished? Nick and Sierra were the strongest couple in the house. We're here for strong couples. Like, we want to test the couples.

1:00:38We want to see if they still come back to one another. But I don't want to watch a bunch of random, every night, meet a new person. Watch them have intro combos. What's important to you? What's your favorite fruit? What's your favorite fruit? What do you do? Like, I go through that. That's like the love is blind pots. I go through that to get to the good stuff. Making me go through that every night. And right when someone reaches a point of interest, they have a target on their back for having a relationship. Or they get sent home for staying loyal to their relationship. Like, what am I watching?

1:01:10I think Nick and Alandria are staying, though. Okay. Because they didn't – everybody pointed this out. They didn't say, like, you have now been dumped from the villa. They just said, like, pack your bags. You're leaving. And also that flashing light that comes up when they leave the villa that says loves me not apparently was not – It didn't say loves me not. It said like loves me not. And then of course, like when she pulls up in the car and says, get in, it's obviously like an exciting get in. Like we're going somewhere. So I agree. Maybe they're not dumped from the villa, but they want us to think that they are.

1:01:42It's so stupid. Like it's so stupid. I think that people said they did on Love Island UK once bring people to like a hideaway. So they made you think that they were leaving the island, but then they go to a hideaway together, either to like, you know, watch over what's going on in the villa in Casa Amor. But it could also be interesting because if people they're putting the Nicolandria thing to the test by putting them together in a hideaway. But that would be really crazy if that's what they're doing. The show is being run by Twitter and then like they do things that they think Twitter will like.

1:02:10And then it's like a day later and we're like, no, that's not what we wanted. Yeah. And it's not a way to run your show. Like also, Alandria is all locked in on Taylor for some reason. I don't think she's interested in Nic. I think like she was talking to a lot of nice guys at Casa more and like it's Taylor for her. so to put them in a hideaway, like, I just don't think that's going to do much. Plus Nick has his plate full between Sierra and Jaden. Yeah. I just don't get it. Like that was like the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And it's becoming, not that I want to like feel bad for the Islanders, but it's becoming like psychological warfare in there.

1:02:45Like every day, not knowing like what's coming that night. And like, you think like you go on a show that has a format because you want to find love, say, so say you're finding love and like, you think that you're doing the right things and like at any moment the rug can be pulled out from under you I think when you're in the island like it is like almost cultish in the sense that when you leave it feels like the end of the world which I can understand because they're like so removed from literally everyone and everything and so it feels like the end of the world but also if you like someone and you're taken away from them like every single night going through this like they can't even enjoy a drink they're like when's the text coming when's the shoe gonna drop And it's becoming a little bit like a torture chamber.

1:03:24Yeah. I do think that Love Island seasons past have done a little bit of that. I remember I think maybe it was last season or two seasons ago on UK. They just like randomly dumped someone who was in a really good couple. And that was great. And then that person came back to Casa Amor, which is why you always hear the fodder of like, oh, well, maybe they'll bring Jeremiah back for Casa Amor. Like I'm not over Jeremiah leaving. I don't think he's coming back because he was on The Vile Files. I think once you go on the podcast, you ain't coming back. I thought that too. but like it still looks like he could be in Fiji.

1:03:52Like he was just in front of a curtain. And so maybe them letting him do podcasts like makes us think he's not coming back. I don't think he's coming back because I don't think the show would do anything that's like actually what we want. Or also I don't think his connections were that strong. And Trina. I know but like. And Trina's like breaking my heart. Why? Like just watching her like stumbling around Gossamore with no friends and no man. and like this guy that she's throwing herself after like he doesn't even seem that interested in her when like she went from being like the the prize like oh my god everyone was ready to cut and run from their relationships from her and now she's in casa more as like the lowest rung on the ladder like what yeah and huda seems to be like doing pretty well in casa she's getting by and that's like the theme it's like the people who are doing well this season are people who are not shining and not failing like who are just getting by and like doing what they need to do and and that's not interesting like those people were never the interesting reality tv stars it's people at the bottom and the people at the top yeah so why are we like not cutting some trimming some of the fat here and now there's like 50 people yeah on the show so it's also hard to to keep track but i i'm gonna keep watching because like i love talking about it with everybody i agree and i need to see this through it's been 22 episodes in like a part of something and it's been like good for this it's good for business um so and now it's I've made it part of my nightly routine so like I can I can handle it and yeah I guess I want to see it through but I don't know what like what this means for next season for me like I think this has been really really like bad for like the brand of Love Island it's really bad yeah I think as you know last season was amazing which is like your Achilles heel that you didn't watch it and now you're what you're stuck watching this one but they're I watched the one before it I watched I watched season one Love Island USA oh I think I watched season two I don't remember which was which but I watched the COVID one on the rooftop in Las Vegas I didn't know that that's that yeah that's where like Selly came from Justine who won that season is on perfect match also oh got it okay um I didn't know that this was happening after that was the Shannon and Josh season watched most of that uh-huh um yeah they were trying to like replicate last season and they picked in my opinion a bunch of duds with the exception of Jalen and Charlie.

1:06:11Charlie. Anna Landrieu is good but like almost not right for this show because she is not quick to open up. No. And let down her walls. She should have gone on Love is Blind. Yeah she should have or even like The Bachelor because she wants a real relationship and no one like I hear I think people are like I would take one but it's not why I'm here. It's not at the forefront of their mind and I actually do think Love Island can produce good relationships because Because even if people go on with the intention of growing their following, being put on an island without your – like forget your following.

1:06:40Like maybe it'll grow when you're away. But like you're not even looking at your phone. So I think it's – I think people who fall in love, I think most of the time it's real. Like look at Molly and Tommy. I know they're like the best success story. But like you really get to know each other. So like if you don't like this person, you're not going to like them. But you get to see everyone through a bit. Like all you do is sit there and talk. Yes. And it seems like just on the season, the people are not really doing that. And when Alandria was leaving and she said, like, I just like I haven't been in a relationship in five years.

1:07:08I just want someone to love me. Like I just my heart broke because I think that she are you are you thinking it could have been Jalen? I said Jalen would have. Yeah, that's what I think. But she didn't like him. I don't fault her for that. No, it's not her fault that the greatest man in the world liked her and she didn't feel the same way. Yeah. And Alandria, like you deserve someone like Jalen. But if you don't like him, you don't like him. Yeah. And there must be something about Taylor that's not coming across on the television screen. Yeah. He's got two girls in Casa, in their Casa Amor. Coco and Clark.

1:07:38Who did he, who did he end up with? Clark. He really likes Clark. And Coco was with Ace. Yeah. Okay. Um, like that's fine, I guess. We'll see. And Grayson and Pepe. Yeah. You know? Oh yeah. Classic. There's a Grayson and there's a Jaden. Yeah. There's a Grayson and a Jaden. Okay. And then for the boys, the only couples that are like in Casa Amor that are standing out to me are Sierra and Elan. Love, love. I hope that she jumps ship. Even though I like Nick, but he's not giving her what she needs and Elan is dialed in on Sierra. Huda would really flirt with anyone at this point. I don't see a connection between the person, J.B.?

1:08:19J.D.? J.D.? I'm not seeing it, but she'll take this thing all the way. Shelly and Chris? Mm-hmm. I like. Although I don't know how to feel about this idea that like Shelly and Ace knew each other before and were sort of like going on the show as people who were a couple or like I don't know what they're trying to do. Maybe gain a following. But so that like puts it weirdly into perspective. And actually I think you could see that when Shelly was talking to I think Sierra. And she said like, you know, if he came in in the beginning like this would have like maybe changed things. He would have been someone I would have talked to.

1:08:54So maybe if that is the plot that like her and Ace came on to like do this together, that she really was like thinking through she might like this other guy. Yeah. And I'm shocked that the producers haven't like kind of interfered with Shelly and Ace yet, especially knowing that like people really don't like Ace. Like if they're listening to Twitter, they're not about Ace. And like testing them to see like what is the deal with their relationship. Like I feel like other people have been so singled out like to like Jeremiah, Hannah, like things were really like orchestrated to get to shift things.

1:09:30And I wonder why producers are leaving them alone. Yeah. Haven't messed with them yet. I think it's like the storm of the producers trying to do things and also like the Islanders doing things. And I don't think they interfere with everything. I think like a lot of things really are Islander voted. So sometimes you'll get scenarios like Ace and Shelley where they're not successfully able to. But do you think that the vote of the popularity vote with the bottom three, do you think that was honest by producers of who the true bottom three was? Who were the bottom three? The girls was Hannah, Iris and Amaya.

1:10:02Okay. Not Huda. Not Huda. And the boys were Jeremiah, Austin and Pepe. Maybe. No, maybe not Pepe. Jeremiah, Austin and. Yeah. I don't know. I just know Austin should have been the one to go. I actually do think that that could have been accurate. I think a lot of people voted for Huda because as much as like she – a lot of people are like, get her off the show. It's the same thing that people say about like Lisa Rinna. Yeah. Like fire her. But why? She's making good television and we're all talking about her. At a certain point sometimes people need to go because like they're not adding anything real or substantial.

1:10:34But like when you're making that much drama and keeping people interested in the show, I understand why A, producers would want them to stay and B, why people would vote for them. because you want to keep seeing like this train wreck. I mostly think it was producers wanting her to stay, which I understand. But I also feel like they had this like big moment with the hood and Jeremiah and like knowing when it's over and like now let's move on to the next thing. Like Jeremiah was going to go find love and talk to Andrew. And instead they like, I think that they didn't know how to close the book well enough.

1:11:04And then they closed it and it's actually the inverse where it's like she stays and he goes. He went on Bio Files is making like a lot of news. I think he's coming off really well actually, like talking about like his experience there and how what you saw was really what happened. And that he's just like a very like level headed person, it seems like. And it's not and which I don't I didn't think that he was really doing anything so bad. I think he was just like caught up in a bad situation. Me neither. And people were like throwing around. I mean, it was mostly Huda, but I've seen other people say like he was love bombing her.

1:11:36And first of all, it's such an overused term, in my opinion. I do think it's possible that maybe he was doing something like that in the beginning. and I've honestly just forgotten it because it was totally overshadowed by like everything that happened after that but like can we stop saying people are love bombing when they're just like being affectionate towards someone on love island no literally on love island and also I feel like then you start to categorize like then you start to overuse it so everything that's like affectionate or overly affectionate is love bombing and but it's like no affection and overt affection are good things so now they're like getting dumped into this like bucket of bad like it's a bad thing Right.

1:12:10And I do think there probably are people in the world who love bomb. Yeah. And then it's like, well, the term it's the same with gaslight. It's like there are people who actually gaslight people. And I even hate saying that word now because I'm like, I really mean it. Not the way everybody. But even people who like moderately gaslight, it's not a total gaslighting. It's a negative thing. So like you're making it more negative than it is. But like it's not good. But like love is a good thing. Yeah. So like so you want to do less of that. Like it's just there is clear love bombing. I think being excited about someone and being all in on one person when you first meet them is a good thing most of the time.

1:12:46Me too. So we'll see what happens next. What's starting to frustrate me about the show is it feels like there are like an hour 15 minute episodes. And like the first 45 minutes are the Islanders like vulgaring around the villa. Bored. What word is that? It's like Yiddish like for like just like. No like like slaying like like. Yiddish doesn't ever translate let me try and that's what I haven't heard so I have to know vulgar Yiddish definition like when you're like lazing around just sitting around yeah like but you could be standing too um oh no they think I'm saying vulgar oh that's the other thing about Yiddish is it's sometimes hard to look up the word it's so hard it's it's been passed down through your family and everybody like says something different now no and also yiddish is like predates like there's no real like written history right for then there's no like textbook of there might be some but like it's definitely not like digitized it's it can only be like orally passed down like i can't google can't tell me what vulgar means better than i could try and tell you but it just means like you know fucking around a little bit a little bit of like fucking around the villa um so they're vulgaring and uh it's very boring they're obviously bored they just and then they only perk up when they get a text but it could also mean like that somebody's leaving somebody's why don't they use the pool have you noticed that in seasons past they're definitely in the pool I feel like it has to do with mics and with like them not wanting to like be like wet I'm also surprised that the girls are still wearing heels no that's so weird to me it's I understand doing it in the beginning.

1:14:25It's part of the shtick and you want to look like your absolute best. I can never do that. Like the bikini and the heels. But I feel like wearing a bikini and heels, like you don't look your best. Like you look silly in a bikini and heels. Yeah, it is. It is silly. Yeah. It's so crazy to me, the commitment to the heels. Yeah. Especially because like they're also on camera without makeup and like in their, you know, in their like bedtime wear. So I don't understand like that part of the commitment. And I actually do think the women who ultimately like take the heels off and just like let their hair down a little bit are the most successful ones because they're having a good time.

1:14:57The audience can tell they're having a good time. It's like the commitment to always needing to be like hot 100 % of the time. You want to strike the balance of being hot. That's how you walk in like in a bikini and heels. But like we're vulgaring on the pool all day. Like it's not going to be bikini and heels. Right. So then the first like three quarters of the episode are really like boring. Everyone having boring conversations. I think I was so and so for a chat. Like seriously, like they're falling asleep. I'm falling asleep. And then it's like boom text. And it's like just blowing up the villa.

1:15:22and now they drag out the ceremony of whatever it is and then we end up with two random unnecessary people going home that's literally every episode now it's true it's not fun to watch i also saw i'm not having fun right there hasn't been a single recoupling where the women that's what i oh wait there hasn't been a single normal recoupling since bella left and there hasn't been a single recoupling where the women choose from a man at the fire pit not one so i don't what they're they're doing but they're doing something no they're i'm i'm really not happy about it like i'm not having fun but i i do see this as like part of my job and i'm crushing it you know like crushing work and there's not a we were just talking there's not a lot of celebrity stories this time of year because every publicist goes on vacation yeah i was saying because liz can attest this i was talking to claudia on patreon she's like i feel like i've missed so much in stories i'm like actually no you've missed a lot of tv recap but as far as like celeb news there's not been like amazing news and you had you just said that of your own accord right now when we were picking stories like the stories are like this month even on for your own instagram like it's not been popping yeah love island has taken up like most of my content and it's it's fun because even when the show is like kind of dreadful to watch like going on twitter and seeing all of the edits and like everything that everyone's people are so as much as i like rail on the internet for being so stupid sometimes they also can be so clever and smart and it's like that's the good part of the internet i like to harness do you see like all these psa's from love island about like not hating on people on the internet i think there's a kind of a couple theories about where that comes from you could say it comes from like the goodness of their heart i don't think so it's like a liability thing they have to say it or else who knows are things getting really nasty i've not seen like i've seen people being like snarky and but then you know i saw ariana do like a psa no doxing no this and i haven't seen like but why would i see stuff like that i'm not like deep in it but is that happening well i didn't know that was happening a specific a specific corner of the internet that's a lot of Jews.

1:17:11So a lot of Jews think that Elan is getting a lot of hate, which he is from my perspective. But like, has that broadened enough for like the Love Island producers to see that? I'm not sure. Oh, you thought it's in defense of Elan. I kind of just assumed it was in defense of Huda. Like everyone just like saying stuff about her. But that kind of ended. Like it's over. Like the time for that is over. Also though, like Love Island does have a sordid history with online bullying. because didn't the original host of Love Island UK was she committed suicide. And I think a lot of it was like she got so much hate.

1:17:47And I think there was actually another contestant maybe on Love Island UK who I don't know what happened. But it's come up before where even when they do those challenges where they read the mean tweets, I think they've had to scale that back because it's like as much as like we love watching it as the audience because these people don't know what we're saying. Like Huda not knowing what we're saying is so frustrating. but I could see why like reading those is legitimately devastating. Yeah. It seems like they don't care much about the Islanders mental health while they're in the villa. They're worried about what they're going to see when they go home with social media.

1:18:15And I just want to let you know, like you're seriously running like a psychological experiment in there. And like, you guys could dial it down. How about that? Yeah. How about stop sending home? Like everyone's best friends and loves of their lives. Yeah. Yeah. And on a moment's notice when they think they're doing the thing that they signed up to do. Right. Punishing people for doing what the show is for. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. Like you made them all cry. Like I didn't do that. The stuff about Elan, like I want to talk about it because he is Jewish. Like there's been no sign that he was in the IDF, which by the way, like if he was born in Israel and an Israeli citizen, like you're in the IDF because it's a compulsory army.

1:18:48So people who use that as like, I can't. But he literally wasn't. Like he's a Jew from Toronto and he has a Hebrew name. But and he went to Israel like once based on his Instagram. And so everyone was like, well, he was in the IDF. Like so it's crazy. And that's part of it. Like, no, that is really crazy. Everyone, when they talk about Elon, they're like the Zionist and the IDF. And it's like, he wasn't even in the IDF. And even if he was, that's, I mean, you guys aren't ready for that conversation. But so he wasn't. So he's just a Jew and you hate him. Yeah. Yeah. So look in the mirror. Yeah.

1:19:19Look inward. And he's my favorite. And not even just because he's, I don't even like, I don't want to see too much about the people. I don't look at their Instagrams really. I'm like, honestly, I don't want to see like what you were doing and like what you were trying to be before. I don't want to. Or who you handed your Instagram over to when you came on the show. That's the worst. The people who have people running their Instagram and they're like, everyone vote for it. Like, stop it. It's weird. Although I didn't love that he like immediately started talking about Libras. Like that's just like a kind of conversation I don't personally relate to.

1:19:45But he's a sweetheart. I don't have anything bad to say. And him and Sierra were relating. I don't need to know everyone's horoscope in the villa. That's another one along with fruit and what's important to you. Like we have to have these conversations every time someone new comes in. Like right now the idea of a new bombshell coming into the villa is so dreadful to me. Yeah. like to go through all this again the bombshells also who come in after casa i always feel like fail i don't know even know why they just do it to shake things up but i think it's sort of they shouldn't yeah but now it's like this is just a show of new people coming in every day there's nothing there's no cup there is not one couple especially with nick gone for now alandria gone for now then the only couple left would be like ace and shelly ish he seems into coco and i don't know what would happen there but maybe he's just doing it for their big storyline you know to show how they overcame temptation to be together i'm kind of like holding out space for iris i really like her i like her too i liked her and tj although like i don't i'm not i don't know how i feel i just like liked that she was being saved by some like that someone liked her yeah and she just seems pretty normal to me yeah and that she like is in it you know possibly to like grow her following but also she just like seems to carry on a conversation well and she just seems like a girly so i like her i like her too um i'm rooting for her yeah she's with who's the guy that she's with now and probably a zach probably you'd be i think so because we did like chris jb elan so then it's like zach zach zach k zach c which i like that they say that because it's not like zach cohen it's like zach zach with a c zach with a c zach with a k yeah and i actually like zach with a k he's the one with all the tattoos did you see the video i posted a video of like he was on some show and he was like mugging like he was one of those models who would like talk and then when he was finished talking he'd be like so um yeah i like him any i actually liked that he was like apologetic when he he didn't need he didn't need to be like I mean Andrea had a lot it was very emotional in the moment but her like lashing out at him for a second being like I don't want to talk to you like he didn't do anything wrong he didn't do anything wrong but he just seemed I was surprised by how like you said kind of wholesome those boys were yeah no and they seem like catches like a lot of them are professional athletes or former professional athletes right working men and handsome and tall yeah I love to see it yeah Me too.

1:21:57So that's your Love Island recap for today. We'll be back tomorrow discussing tonight's episode. And we'll see what the fuck they've got planned for us tonight. Lizard P, where can everyone follow you and keep up with all things Liz? It's at Liz P. Woods on Instagram. That's like my only place. That's where I put everything. And I am so excited I get to do this again tomorrow. Like I'm thrilled. So like if there was anything that you wanted to say that you forgot. Or if people like wanted questions for you that I didn't ask. Like we get to do it tomorrow and run it back for our final day of Jackson Friends.

1:22:25friends and tomorrow I'm filming an interview today with someone right after this and it will be in tomorrow's episode and I don't think you guys are ready for it because like we're not ready for it no but I'm really excited we're gonna get ready I love you dearly we'll see on the next one love ya bye