Tisdale v. Duff: Tuesday, January 6th, 2026

24:59And the situation did kind of die. It was like a fun internet thing for a couple of days. But then Ashley was a dog with a bone and would have let it go. She wrote another article of the same theme, but she wrote it for The Cut. So obviously The Cut saw this hot buzz issue. Ashley is in The Cut. Wrote it again a couple of days ago. I don't know if it was the same article, but it was the same vibe. It's okay to leave your toxic friend group, people hanging out without you, yada, yada. Yeah, so this is what she said. She reflected on not feeling cool enough after being excluded from hangouts in the piece.

25:26She recalled sitting alone one night after getting her daughter to bed, feeling totally lost as to what she was doing wrong to be left out. She went on to text the group. This is too high school for me and I don't want to take part in it anymore. Although she never considered the moms to be bad people, except for maybe one. She chose to cut ties with them after the dynamic stopped being healthy and positive. So I think like most friend groups, how many women are here? It looks to be like eight to ten. And they would splinter off into subgroups of like people who got along. And then I think people would get together and she sort of fell through the cracks.

25:57Yeah. because they that happens to the person that you don't mess don't like vibe with the most who's not your face like i know i don't know if you have the update like as of this morning like ashley's because then the internet really started to speculate like this is such a big you're making it such a big deal what the fuck happened and then a lot of people started to surmise that it was about politics and that ashley is maga and the girls dropped her because of that and then ashley's rep took to tmz being like ashley's not maga she's a registered democrat and this is not about this mom group that everybody thinks it is it's about a different mom group so now she's lying like there's no way it's not about this group and because none of the girls have unfollowed anyone like but as you were just saying like fighting looks different these days like you don't unfollow yeah and i just i know that this you know you know they had a chat without ashley a while ago i know that this chat without ashley is blowing the fuck up and they're like so not regretting leaving her out because like and the thing about even before all of this like drama I was not going to be on Ashley's side because I always feel that if like a whole group drops you, like you're the problem.

26:59The group is not the problem. Now, that's not like that's a generalization. Not every situation. But for the most part, like if everyone says you're dead, like roll over. And there's not a good way to go about saying like we don't like we don't enjoy you. You know what I mean? It's our viral sound. Click's going to click. No, but normalize having a click and normalize like not everybody being best friends. This isn't high school. But normally it's like not pursuing close friendships with people that you don't deeply connect with and that you don't enjoy. Like I've met people where I'm like, you're a lovely person.

27:30I don't like enjoy spending the time with you and I'm not going to invest in that. Yeah. And I think like when people make comparisons to high school and when we're talking about being like cliques in high school, we're still developing. Right. And so it is the right. You should be inclusive of other people and you should reach out and you should be kind. But now like we're all 30 year old women. It's exactly that. They're moms. They work. They have full lives. Pursuing friendships just to be nice is really not what 30-year-old women are doing. There's no time for that. There's no time for that.

27:58And so, I don't know. I'm just getting the vibe based on Ashley's behavior right now and the fact that everybody dropped her. That, like, she is insufferable. Yeah. Or not even insufferable, but just, like, not the funniest, funniest, coolest. Yeah. And so she feels uncool. No, I think it's more than that. Because, like, yes, in big groups. And I think that there's someone that would then go one first text the group and be like, I cannot be doing this anymore. And then write like two articles like maybe they were right in their actions. The thing is with big groups, people splinter off. So it's not a big deal that like two or three people hang out.

28:33You connect with different people. But the fact that everybody was wanting to not hang out with her just makes me think that there's something a little bit deeper and more sinister going on. Because it's not like one or two people were really tight with her. no I think I don't I don't think there's something like deep and sinister or something happened like I think she's kind of the woat no that's what I'm saying but like I'm saying whoa no but in big groups like yes people splinter off but the fact that nobody splintered off with her she sucks yes she sucks but like not something deeper than that no no no nothing happened but like yeah she sounds like she sucks and also if there's a group of people who are leaving me out and she said like she reached out a couple of times when she thought people were hanging out without her and everybody was like wait I thought Sarah texted you or whatever they would like gaslight her which is like so fucked up I'm sorry what else are you supposed to do we don't like you we didn't want to invite you not an easy way to say to someone like I don't want to spend the time with you and so if I was a part of a group of friends that I found out were like not wanting to hang out with me I maybe we're just different people I would never you would just never fucking see me again again I would be humiliated first of all and second of all like I have no interest in hanging out with people that do not want to hang out without me and that's just sort of been like my vibe my whole life.

29:43I don't want you to change your behavior and start like remembering to include me. No, and then I'm being included and it's charity. I'm good. Like seriously, I will make new friends. I will move to a new city. That's just me. So the way that she's gone about handling this is so the opposite of what I would do. Not only like texting everyone that you're leaving. It's not an airport. You don't need to announce your departure. Like no one's, we're fine. But also then writing multiple articles and using it for attention. Like this is not a good look for Ashley French, whatever her new name is. It's not cool.

30:08in like a, you know, people say like not cool, not cool. Yeah. That's not what I mean. It's not a cool thing to do. And I think - It's not, two separate words. It's not cool. I think when she first wrote it, it was under this mask of like female empowerment, like sort of telling - To power back. Yeah, telling other women, like maybe you also find yourself like caught in a toxic cycle with this mom group, but like you can leave. Like, it's like a reminder. It's sort of like how I feel like, oh, you don't like your double chin? Like get liposuction. Like it's a reminder, You're like, you don't have to live with this sort of toxic thing.

30:39And now I'm feeling like that was just a veil. And she's just wanting to start stuff and like be a victim. And I can understand how when you go back to evaluating whether people are cool or not, that that feels like high school because we haven't done that since high school. But that's a projection. Nobody said she wasn't cool. She just didn't feel cool enough. Because she wasn't cool enough. And the thing is, there are less cool groups. Yeah, like Z-Listers, the Z-List moms. I'm in that group. Like invite me. Yeah. So yes. Anytime we're evaluating your coolness, that's mean girl. That's high school mean girl behavior.

31:13Sure. It's also like human nature, I guess. Yeah. Because you don't want to spend your time with someone that you don't connect with, especially at this stage in life. Especially with your kids. Like, yeah, it's so personal. And some people have like mom energy. I've experienced this before where I'm like, what's mom energy? No, no. They have their energy as a mother is not mine. Of course. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. I don't want to be around this. Of course. It's so personal. like who you decide to be friends with later in life while also incorporating your children. It's just unfortunate that nine out of the 10 celebrities who had children in May 2020 are all of the same elk and mom energy.

31:48And the one is not. Yeah. If only she had a buddy. Yeah. And I'm saying the fact that she didn't have a buddy is the biggest red flag here. Not one person who like stood up for her as far as we know. I'm sure someone did. I'm sure there was a someone. And then Hilary Duff was like, no. Yeah. Hilary Duff runs the show and Mandy Moore is like second in command. The rest just follow. Like Meghan Trainor's like, okay, what time are we meeting? Just so you know, the Tiz no longer follows Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore and she does still follow Meghan Trainor. So you're 100 % right. Oh, so Meghan was like the one who's like, guys, can't we all work it out?

32:23They're like, shut up, Meghan. You're too nice. Yeah, right. Oh my God. No, I'm like, this has been such a, okay, so was my take spicy at all? No, but I don't know what the streets, If the streets are being like really sympathetic to her. I feel like people are going to say like that we're being mean. I don't think we're being mean. I haven't said a mean thing. I just said like. We did say she sucks. And like is a woe to not cool in a traditional sense. But she's obviously cool. She's in high school musical. She's a celebrity. Right. She was cool enough to be a part of the group. I looked at her page yesterday.

32:53I haven't like seen what she's up to in a while. Like she gardens. She's got it all going on. She has a beautiful kitchen and house and family. And a beauty company. Like, you know, so she's crushing it. But on a personality level, like when it's not a match at this stage in life. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. And I do feel like the women who were like making the decision as to whether or not to include her. Yeah. They are sleeping soundly knowing that was the right decision because she's like shown a little bit of like a crazy side. And you know that Hilary Duff is the leader in this group because the music classes were at her house.

33:22Well, we know it for a multitude of reasons. Like she's the most famous. Yeah. She's the coolest one. I don't know who these other people are, but like someone could be like a billionaire here. For sure. but like fame they all live in LA fame is like the most important thing to everyone so her and Mandy Moore but I think Mandy Moore like doesn't care as much I could see Hilary Duff being like a little like obsessed like with like you know the group I just feel like Mandy Moore is like the cool one who's just like cares very little yeah and she's a little bit older correct she's a little bit too mature for like this so she's a little more removed it just makes me realize definitely this girl I need a celebrity mom group I need a celebrity mom group okay what about me yeah it's just like we need more who's not a group who like had a baby around similar time shannon of course oh yeah actually we kind of do the taylors now lauren yeah we do we do but it's like we started a group chat i feel like mom like watching the group chat called celebrity moms okay wait let's see of like our because i know a lot of our friends like listen to the toast and this will be like a test like who listened but i think all celebrity mom groups like also have a couple like normal people.

34:27Yeah, of course. No, we have to throw Dana in there. Like she's our normie. But wait, hold on. She has a podcast, so she's this. Oh, true. True. Wait, I was just gonna say one thing. Let's see which of our friends. No, before that. Who else do you want to invite to our group? And it's just a group chat at this point. Oh, the Kardashians made me realize that we don't have enough group chats. Yeah, I agree. But so it's a group chat at this point and then like maybe if it like it really takes off, like we could go on a trip. Oh my God, I would love that. What's the name of our group? Celebrity Moms.

34:57love it should i start it right now yeah and you have to be the ones to start it you're hillary duff and i'm man you're so mandy moore okay so shannon who's ashley tisdale we'll find out stay tuned jackie olivia who else should we do this later like yeah okay like lauren elizabeth then we could also like i know which moms like had babies when i like you might talk to people on instagram who had a baby when you did i do like lauren elena lauren elena we literally we had babies like the same day yeah yeah and it's funny like i have like fellow influencers who i had babies the same time as who like like raven okay you know what we need to chat offline because now it's getting like a little big not to be like hillary's but we are gonna need to like yeah yeah celebrity moms yeah okay well good luck ashley tisdale i do hope that the right mom group finds you yeah and also so she has two kids like one who's four that's the group that's how she got into this group but she also has a one-year-old so like maybe the friends she makes through her one-year-old's group yeah or her forever family right yeah right but this has been fun so thank you i'm glad that um like you were into this saga yeah i was following it closely and that got political and i was like oh girl get me out of here though i and i really don't think i can't imagine that it's about politics like i have more faith in humanity than that that like women can get along agreed agree on everything agreed um but on its face you know writing two articles about how you left the group is not the cool capital C thing to do.

36:28No. Someone in our mom group would never. No, she would never. Oh, but we have to be aware of that. I don't know. I feel like Shannon would. No, I'm kidding. Are you ready for our next story? Tom Brady and Alex Earl update. TMZ is reporting that though the couple sparked a lot of buzz over New Year's Eve in St. Bart's, there was no hookup. So TMZ initially broke the story of the video obtained of the two of them flirting in the club, But sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ the moment was nothing more than drunk, flirty fun at the party. They're told Tom and Alex talked, dance and flirted on the dance floor.

37:01And that's where it ended. No hookup, no late night rendezvous. And for fact, they're told it was the first time they'd ever met. Yeah, I feel like I would have guessed that. I don't know. Someone from one of their camps clarified. And it was like, I feel like it was probably Tom Brady because this was like, for the most part, really positive fanfare for Alex. But it made Tom look like a creep, an old man. And so I think that the clarification came from his camp because letting people think you had sex with Tom Brady, like there's no sweat off of Alex's back, even if you didn't. But as an almost 50 year old, like letting the Internet think that you had sex with a 25 year old on vacation when you didn't does require clarification.

37:36I actually think the opposite. Of course you do. I think that you are literally actually just I'll go. I think that Alex didn't want to be like thought of to be with this old man in that sort of way. and I for her for him like he's 48 dating 25 year olds like is a sleigh it's gross well I think the people like maybe maybe someone would think it's a sleigh but the reaction online like was not positive frontal lobe check beauty check you know she turned 25 like a week ago I think she was celebrating her birthday on that yacht she was celebrating the lobe yeah uh I think that for a man like him like that's what he's here to do now in his life and I also think you know he's got a lot going on in his mind with the football and retirement and feeling old and this makes him feel young and this makes him look young he thinks I think that it also was just sort of bad timing because we didn't even talk about like the same week that this story came out Giselle and her man got married oh they had the baby and then I think they just had like a small little ceremony like to officially get married so it's like they could not be doing more different things after their marriage yeah so it really did not make him look good this whole thing but also like he hooked up with Brooks Nader.

38:39Like this is his type of. Yeah. But Brooks is 29. I don't know why. Brooks feels so more mature. It's because we met Alex when she was in college. Right. She's like eternally like a teenager. Yeah. I agree. And she represents Gen Z. I just want you to know like I think for Tom Reedy like this is everything he's looking for. She's going to date Leonex. Like Victoria Coretti. Like pack your bags. Your time is up. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. No but like I hope not. And I feel like for her she's not interested in old men. I feel. okay because what nobody's saying is it's yucky like saggy old men like who wants to lay with that especially when like not saying other women have other intentions but like she's a self-made woman right you know she doesn't need she doesn't money she doesn't need any attention she's got it all going on so that's when you you know you got your pick of the litter yeah who do we see her with next like I personally am over athletes for her and I'm not ever someone who's like shipping people with athletes with the exception of a couple of people like they don't make good boyfriends it's like fun content for a little while but I just don't like it so I think that like when she's very like you know barstool smoke show so I think that like she thinks she has to date an athlete but I want her to know there's like opportunities elsewhere and I don't I don't want this for her there's other industries yeah I'd really have to noodle on it but I think that But whoever she dates next, like, it'll be beautiful in its own way.

40:04That's really lovely. Like Glenn and Michelle. Glenn and Michelle have taught me that I can't predict anything. That I have to let the universe let things play out. What about Zac Efron? I'll always ship everyone with Zac Efron. I know. I watched Greatest Showman over the weekend in your house. But you literally did not come out of your bedroom. So I don't even know if you knew that I watched Greatest Showman in full on your couch. I didn't know that you watched the whole thing. I was enjoying a contact nap. It had been a while since I've seen that movie. and obviously it withstands the test of time.

40:32It's the greatest movie ever made. But there's a couple of things that happen in that movie that are so fucking crazy. Now, I know we all love like the most popular song is when the sharpest words wanna cut me down. And not enough people talk about what precedes that song in the movie, which is the group of like freaks being fucking crazy. And like storming. They storm the like opera party, like the high class affair. There were like literally Hugh Jackman's employees and like thinking that they deserve to like go to the opera. and they were acting so out of control with the free champagne and everything.

41:02It's like, it was just insane. Oh, and they had a show. So they had to work. Mind you, it was the 1800s. Right. Like, you're even applying like a modern. No, no, no. I'm not. I'm just saying like strictly in a workplace situation. Like, you are Hugh Jackman's employees. Hugh Jackman's other business is having like a high class affair. You are literally supposed to be on stage, but you're storming acting inappropriate. Like, literally like tackling people.

41:31that's the time and like mind you you also have a beard it's just it was insane and so then they leave you're not the most conventional no then they get kicked out rightfully so because they have to go to work and they're like in this dark corridor being like when the sharpest words want to cut me down it's like girl get out of here she was so wrong for that And I just feel like the song took on a life of its own in culture as like anybody who's never like not fit in. But this wasn't a case of not fitting in. This was a case of like workplace disgruntled employees. Yeah, I agree. I just feel like that needed to be said after watching the movie with a pair of fresh eyes.

42:12And also Zendaya should not have ended up with Zac Efron. Like what he did to her was so bad. Like being ashamed to be seen with her. Oh my God, I could never. Those two, like that storyline in the movie, like never did it for me. Rewrite the stars, like never did it for me. But it did it for a lot of people. and I feel like it brought a lot of people into the movie. So I'll accept it. You know, I've often said that Jenny Lind, I thought she was miscast and I stand by that. But I also feel like Michelle Williams should not have been in that movie. Like, what was she doing? Why do you feel like Jenny Lind was miscast?

42:41Because like when I see that woman, like I know she's not singing. Do you know what I mean? Oh, because you know she's not singing. I didn't even know that she wasn't singing. I didn't know the whole story about Lauren Allred. Well, of course. But even if you're not like, I just knew when I saw the movie, I'm like, you're not singing. Oh, I loved it. You're not a woman who sings. Even her mannerisms when she was singing, a person who sings doesn't move like that. Oh, my God. I have no issues with Jenny. I sing. I know. I do agree with you about Michelle Williams, but she holds it down. Eh. She was fine.

43:11Yeah. But it's a perfect movie. It's so amazing. Yeah. And so Zac Efron and Alex are like, no. Oh, right. That's how we got here. Jacob Elordi, Unemployed. Uninspired choice. Unemployee of the year. Unemployee-ordi. Like, no, uninspired. Like when you think of like actors of her generation, like it's Jacob and Austin. And I don't want that for her. That's so unoriginal. I agree. What else? Like maybe someone in business. Yeah. Like someone who's like a famous business person that like we wouldn't think of. But it's hard. Like they're not so young. Right. Or attractive. Looks don't matter. To you?

43:45No, in general. I agree, actually. Money matters more. And personality. Personhood. Right. Status. Your soul. like I don't even see people's looks I just want and maybe I'm just so evolved but like once I know you I only see who you are okay so on a personal level I don't see people's looks I really don't in media like I see everyone I've got 20-20 vision which is ugly I understand I guess I'm just more evolved yeah for sure are you ready for our next story Amanda Seyfried is being weird again She thought Timothee Chalamet's shout out to Kylie Jenner was for an actual foundation, she says. So the con, okay, sorry, you go.

44:26So someone posted a clip of Timothee saying what he said to Kylie. Which I've watched like now a hundred times since then. I love you. Thank you for our foundation. And she commented saying, oh, not like a foundation slash charity. I was curious about that. So this reminded me, and I actually sang this story because I wanted to talk about it. Because I know you don't know this, but over the December shows, I recently became obsessed with this memory that I had um do you remember we reported on it we're probably the only people to report on it when Amanda Seyfried like woke up one day and decided to cyber bully Ariel Charnas I remembered that that happened the other day and then I was like talking about on the toast and actually I made a TikTok about it and Ariel commented like yeah that was like really crazy they had like no personal connection they did not know each other um and all of a sudden like what was she um on her case about it was about um working out bouncing back after pregnancy um and arielle charnas has actually been really open about the fact like she's just like hella naturally skinny and like she works out but she eats like fine she's just it just works for her um and amanda seyfried like commented oh i think actually it was a picture that arielle charnas posted about how she's like so proud of her beautiful body like her body's given her three babies it was like a beautiful thing and also like amanda seyfried and her don't know each other.

45:42And then Amanda Seyfried commented, like, it's like easy to have it when you have money and nannies. First of all, are you homeless? You also have money and nannies. Like, chill. Second of all, leave Ariel Charnas alone. Amanda Seyfried is the voice of the people, don't you know? Not my people, not any people that I know. And so I wanted to choose a story and one of my, like, unsavory, spicy things that I wanted to say. And I feel like it's taken me a while to come to this because it's been a couple of things. This Ariel Charnas thing, which I never forgot about. Like, I'm still at the restaurant.

46:07Then a couple of weeks ago, she was doing press for The Housemaid and this clip of her on like CBS, good day, morning with Gail. Good morning. Hello to you, CBS. Gail's morning cup of coffee. Went viral. She was being so weird. Like just weird. Quirky, weird. And then this, I just wanted to make it known because I feel like I always make it known when I don't like someone. Like I officially really don't like Amanda Seyfried. I feel like if I met her, she would fucking hate me. And right back. She would hate you. She would hate me. I hate her. And I've just seen a lot of things from her and I think she's insufferable.

46:40Yeah. A lot of it has to do with her online persona. And what's Minji? So that's the other thing. I feel like she like hides behind Minji. This screenshot went viral of her comment and her username is at M-I-N-G-E-Y. So I was like, why does everybody care about this random troll? Like seriously, who cares? And then I forget, maybe Liz Woods posted that it was Amanda Seyfried. I was like, oh yeah, that is her. And that was her username when she became for Ariel Charnas too. Okay, what does Minji, like her being Minji reminds you of? Mitchie Torres from Camp Rock. Oh no, no, no, no. Like her being Minji is like another celebrity being.

47:17Bad Gal Riri? No. It's going to come to me. Let me know. Like we call them by their username? No, we don't call them. It's like they just like behave differently. Like their Instagram is like their personality. Alter ego. With a different name. Who? Vansini Reynolds. A thousand percent. This is so Vansini of her. So Van City. Yeah, because like when Van City is on his Van City shit, he's like verbally abusing his wife on social media in the name of comedy. Whereas like Ryan Reynolds would never do that. Right. Yeah, I agree. It's like a terrible alter ego. Minji is like a troll. Whereas like Van City Reynolds.

47:49Sounds like a troll. Van City Reynolds like exclusively uses that username to troll his wife. Right. Whereas Minji uses her username to like troll people in media. Yeah. So do you want to break down the comment or not? No, it's like also not a good funny take. It's like a dumb. Right. Either like you really thought he was talking about the foundation that he started with Kylie Jenner. But like anyone who has a firm grip on the English language would know he was talking to a person because he says to my foundation. It's like, OK, yes, for a half a second, you could think he's talking about it like, you know, the Red Cross.

48:18But then he goes, I love you. Yeah. Like he was talking to a person. Oh, and then they cut to Kylie and she says, I love you back. Like that's that on that. Actually, if she actually thought this, I do worry for her. like that's apprehension because i don't know how somebody could like memorize enough lines to be in a movie but not understand like this one offhand remark so she's like trying to be funny it's not landing i'm just finding her annoying recently like i she's on my list and just so you know like being on my list is not a permanent thing um most people don't get off but it is possible oh yeah all the time sam hunt so there's one selena gomez was on my list i took her off and now she's way back on it she's on and off again no but i feel like she's pretty on permanently now But there is like historical proof of people being off the list.

48:59Yeah. So maybe if Amanda Seyfried would like just be quiet, she could get off the list. Yeah. I need to see The Housemaid. Me as well. And I think with like the movie coming out, there's just a lot of Amanda Seyfried. So like maybe after that, there'll be less. Are you ready for our fourth story? If it's our fourth story, that's brought to you by Honey Love. Oh, yeah. So everything Honey Love makes, you need. Now, I know this is a paid advertisement. So you think like I'm just saying that, but I'm telling you everything they make, you need. So when it comes to undergarments, shapewear, bras, undies, everything that Honey Love makes is amazing.

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53:44Limited, the ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. Thank you. My pleasure. Take you to Aspica. So I was meaning to ask you, is it painful for you? like when I flub my words during the ads that you can't like it you can't make fun of me yeah that was like a really yeah I know I know and I was thinking I'm like it was bringing me joy like knowing that you couldn't that I can't stop you however you can't stop the beat making fun of word flubs does not bring me as much joy as it brings me yeah you don't let anyone get away with anything minor infractions you love it no I'll make a feast off of it for years yeah so I mean parsed parsed that tells of me yeah let's get into our fourth story because yeah yeah that's where we got our ears parsed um ariana grande is going viral for adorably fangirling over layton meester in a must-see moment at the critics choice awards and i want to get your take on do i think layton was making fun of her sort of like i like was do you think there was anything like remotely unkind in layton's response so they just like cross paths on the red carpet at the critics choice awards ari like sees layton and she goes a big fan wow wow wow and we know that like ari is like a millennial to her core and she obviously loved gossip girls and so then layton like sees her say that and she just like says to the person next to her publicist wow wow wow like she just sort of like echoed that i don't want to say mimic imitate echoed what was in layton's heart how could we ever know i like can't get a read on layton meester as a person and i think that's like hard when you play like such an iconic character everybody thinks she's like Blair like Blair would do this she's not Blair it's like disappointing how little like Blair she is Blair she hates Blair like she would never like I feel like Layton is like a communist you know what I mean and like not that I know anything about her personal politics I just mean like Blair was so like capital exactly so I just think that they're polar opposites um I don't know if she was making fun of Ariana Grande I can't imagine that she would be that stupid like in front of cameras in front of ariana ariana is like still three feet from her i also like this story is like eating up the internet like i personally don't care do you know what i mean the critics choice awards like i don't know i kind of have beef with yeah i don't have beef with them like i'm happy that there's like more words for people um to receive to receive and to make speeches about their partner of three years and the critics choice awards gave us that right and i will always love the critics choice awards for that an instance like this it is impossible for us to know what's in layton's heart it could have gone so many different ways and like I think projecting any like ill intent onto it is like how things get misconstrued like the like it goes back to the influencer and she looked me up and down like the farmer in the dough so I get also don't know Layton in a personal way I agree with you she's not what you like assume that she's going to be right like she's not yeah like and I don't know what she is but I know what she isn't yeah and she isn't Blair yeah there's like two routes to take when you play like an iconic character um and i feel like she's okay so like on one side is like being obsessed leaning in all the time like very much like what miley's doing with hannah right now but she's had her journey to get there years of rejecting hannah right and then there's people who like run from the thing they don't want to be asked about it impressed they don't reference it yada yada and i reference or not reference correct so if i feel like if hannah montana is on the right over here and on the left like who's somebody who like never who like hates who hates the thing that they did i would i would just say i feel like leighton's like center left agreed like she doesn't hate blair but she's not like excited by it she doesn't want to like she doesn't like go on instagram and like post blair quotes as her caption and she'll answer the question if she gets asked in an interview but i know like her publicist is telling the publicist is being like let's not focus on god yeah so um that's not what we want from like our beloved characters, but she's a human being and like that's how she's working through it and it is what it is.

57:34I also feel like there's like a lot that went on on Gossip Girl like behind the scenes. But I was like to say, somebody, I read this in a TikTok comment, so take it like with a grain of salt. But somebody said that like, wow, wow, wow, is like a Blair Waldorf reference. And then they were like doing Blair. So Ariana was doing Blair. And so you're saying in that split second, like she knew, like. That's just what somebody said. But I also feel like Ariana's like a reference queen. Right. Much like us. Jennifer Coolidge like no but like I feel like she knows all the quotes no she's like always putting Jennifer Big Time magazine editor like seven rings music video yes everything and like she's so swirly in that yes yes so that could be a Blair ism I don't know how it is and I just re-watched Gossip Girl but unfortunately we all like have to just let this go we can't assign any malice to it or even any like positivity I don't have proof either way and I also like I don't know I just don't really care about this one I can't explain it um yeah okay you know like maybe she did you think maybe she didn't but like why would she like be mean about Ariana like being excited to see her like she's literally on a red carpet not only does that make no sense she was calling her beautiful not only does that make no sense but also why would she do it in front of Ariana like why don't you wait till like you're in the car and then make fun of her yeah I mean but you're on a red carpet that's when you're like prepared for all of that like I can imagine like on the sidewalk it's like oh don't look at me yeah on the red carpet like that's what we came here for okay devil's advocate well the opposite angel's advocate like i don't think that leighton meester is like a mean girl but i also don't think she's like hella friendly yeah so i don't know i could see her like no i don't know if i talk about this long enough i'll just like end up believing that she was saying and i actually don't i don't no i think it's like nothing it's a nothing word like why would she be mad about the fact that ari was like wow wow wow right and yes like leighton and adam birdie are having a moment and they're like famous but like Ariana Grande is like one of the biggest stars in the world.

59:28So like you would just be, you would be excited that she's excited. Yeah. Only like a crazy person wouldn't. I agree. If I had my gavel, I would say officially nothing burger. Yeah. No, no time served. We should bring our gavels back. I don't know. I feel like we're so evolved. No, not to like bang them, but like we have these like shelves behind us with like pardy stuff. This is like part of our herstory. Do you know where they are? Probably your studio. Oh, okay. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Mm-hmm. Something that I predicted. Oh. the year of the crack. Vogue says that 2026 is going to be the year of the crack.

59:59Now I said that. I noticed it. You did. Jackie literally said like six months ago. I said like cracks are in, cracks are coming in. It was like Milan Fashion Week or something. Yeah, I said crack is the new cleavage and now Vogue is saying that as well. And now everyone hears it. But when I said it, I'm crazy. No, it's actually so crazy that you predicted this. And if I ever felt like I wasn't relating to my fellow man, this just even, you know, cements that even further. Do you feel the urge to show crack. Like a little window in your pant. Like you know that I don't. Little the window. Show a little crack.

1:00:36No. Crack is beautiful. Crack is beautiful. Crack is actually whack. It is. And I won't be doing crack. I won't be showing crack. I will not be engaging in crack like behavior. And now I guess she's on crack. Yeah. Even the references that they have here of the cracks on the runway, the cracks on the red carpet, it so there's only one reference hailey bieber yes but that's thong not crack exactly so if we're gonna get cracky her crack oh that wasn't even the one i was talking about the mech alley and that's a couple years ago so it's a really really low back dress that does not show her crack but where her crack would be there's like a little fake thong yeah it was so gorgeous this is yeah Zoe Kravitz at the Vanity Fair Oscar party.

1:01:21That's not crack. That's tushy. Her whole ass is out. This is crack realized. I just feel like I'm trying to be positive here. So if it is, in fact, the year of the crack, I don't know. Even like the sexiest person in the world. Like, I don't want to see your ass. Like, I just don't. Man, woman, child. Like, I don't care. Yeah. It's private parts, you know? Correct. And I think this is another one of my spicy takes in 2026. Let's keep our private parts private. Okay. I don't want to see your ass. I don't want to see your nipples unless you're breastfeeding. And then I want to see them all. I don't want to see your coochie, your hoochie, your penis, your balls.

1:01:56Like keep it to yourself. Okay. I mean, I think that's like a very standard take. You know, it's the story of Adam and Eve. Yeah. Put some leaves over your titties, girl. Like get out of here. Yeah. So 2036 is the year of the crack. Tag us if you're wearing your crack out. And I'm sure I was thinking it was the year of the dragon. Like I'm just so crazy. are you ready for dear toasters I am our weekly advice segment where Jackson I just do our best to help our community I feel like our community is always showing up for us and you know on Tuesdays we like to show up for them in addition to doing like the most amazing show of course make you laugh amazing merch that never shows up like you know that's not true it just takes like a couple of weeks and some people have had bad experiences but like overall like thousands are fine yeah we're sorry about that we're like actually working out no it makes us sick and if you want to like be mad at somebody like be mad at the Postmaster General like right when it gets like lost in shipping like really whose fault is that yeah and I also I do want you to think about blaming President Chi like it's a lot of him too because a lot of things are happening in China oh you think so even though our merch is made in America yeah but like we definitely get some shit from overseas and then it's made here is it some of it it's really good stuff okay so our weekly advice segment Deer Toasters where you can write into deertoasters at gmail.com or you can head over to our website the podcast.com and use a little submission box both methods are completely anonymous and we will help you out from anything from you know is your mom group toxic or is your are you showing too much crack like we're gonna help you out so here are the submissions for today hello girlies a couple of nights ago my husband invited two couple friends to a college basketball game my husband is a huge basketball guy we even gave them our extra tickets for free because we thought it would just be like a fun group outing i assumed that we were all riding separately and meeting at the arena.

1:03:43But the plot is when we got there, we realized that the other two couples had met up beforehand, gone out to dinner and arrived as one cute little foursome. There was no, hey, want to grab food or hey, we're meeting up first. Nothing. I told myself to let it go until today when they started posting pictures from their night, just the four of them with captions like date night as if we weren't all at the same event, as if we literally did not provide the tickets for free. So please tell me, am I unwell? Is this mean girl behavior? Is this a red flag that I need new friends or am I overreacting?

1:04:08You've been used, my friend. Yeah. The interesting thing, though, is that she the way she described is my husband invited two couple friends so do you know these girls like or like are they going out with their husband's friend do you know what I mean like yeah it could have been like super super nice of them to invite you to dinner or this was like your first time meeting like they we do require a little more context but if you're this is just poor etiquette like you should the invitation should have been extended to you if they were doing like a roundup of the evening on Instagram. Like there should have been a photo with you guys in it.

1:04:42And the fact that there wasn't, like we don't need to send them to jail, but it's just a signal that they're like not really about you. And you should take that cue. And I just want to say, it actually is a signal that they're mean. Because even like if you don't get along with somebody, when somebody gives you free tickets, you like tag them on Instagram. It's like move on with your life. Yeah, even if they didn't get, what if they didn't get a photo with her? Maybe they don't know her. Thanks for the amazing night at Jackie O. Like the fact that they didn't. They don't know her so well. so like they didn't get like I don't always like take pictures selfie but you would like if somebody brought you to like a suite okay and you posted pictures with Zach and somebody else you knew in the suite you would tag like thank you at Olivia I don't know why I'm like only using our family yeah for the amazing night yeah I think that I would of course that's just like sort of social media etiquette so the fact that they didn't like these girls are mean and they didn't vibe with you so how you react is very Ashley Tisdale like say they didn't vibe with you when like the crime was committed before they even technically met you at the game well depending on how how well you know them yeah if you don't know them that well then we're going to dinner before is not weird but then them posting on instagram like you weren't even there is rude yeah and how you react like i think you should never see these bitches again yeah you don't need to send a text message being like i'm not leaving this is serving me yeah why do you guys don't like take your cue yeah take Your cue.

1:05:59All right, next up. One of my guy friends just got married, but he's recently started kissing, like making out with other guys at parties. So at first everybody thought this was a joke, but they started doing it more and more, and the kisses turned from pecs to borderline makeouts. Because a few of our friends have witnessed the behavior, everyone is talking about it, and it's become a huge elephant in the room, to say the least. My loyalty does lie with him. I do not care what his sexuality is, but I am uncomfortable not knowing if his new wife is aware of this or not. Why is he at parties without his new wife?

1:06:26It almost feels like a cry for help and not an open relationship type of thing. I could be wrong. Should I bring this up to him and see what he has to say or leave it alone? I would say leave it alone. But why is his new wife not at parties with him? How many parties is he going to newly married without his wife? Now, this is where like I had one of the like spicier things to say. And I don't know if I want to say it. Why don't we could always cut it out. OK. Tell me if this is crazy. I understand that like it's really complicated to come out there's so many things like family friends what will people think I do feel like as a society like we're really evolved and like for the most part yeah they're still like crazy terrible people but for the most part it's like you're gay like literally who cares that's amazing wonderful if you enter into a marriage with someone knowing that you are gay I feel like for a while like we gave leniency it's like well he didn't know or like whatever i feel like at some point like i want to hold you responsible like that's sort of like an evil thing to do and i know like it's complicated on you're on your own journey but like to bring somebody else into that just to sort of cover up what you're dealing with like i don't know i feel like it's really wrong and so i don't know if this girl knows i don't know the situation here but like if he is like why should this girl waste her youth on somebody who's not really in the marriage i feel like she should know oh and then if it's like years later he comes out and like she wasted like the prime years of her life and everybody who's making out with guys at party and like she didn't know i don't know i feel like it's kind of fucked up i i like that take of you should tell her i wasn't even thinking of that i was just sort of going to be like let you know why is she not at parties with him right that makes me feel like they're what do they call it a lavender marriage that's something well maybe that's what's happening here and then like you don't need to tell her well no you can still tell her just to like do the thing that you would want done to you.

1:08:15Yeah. I just think the fact that, and where, how many parties are there? Right. It sounds fun. Like who goes to that many parties? Yeah. Maybe they're younger, but I just feel like there was a time when like men would like leave marriages of like 40, 50 years and like come out and it was like, there was nothing they could have done 40, 50 years ago. They did what they had to do. I just feel like that's not the world anymore. No, if it's like safe enough to make out at parties. Right. Right. A man. Then like, these are, this is your community and no one's like, oh, that's so like, don't do that right sinner right yeah i don't know i'm like i kind of feel like the grace period for that is a little bit over and you do like you have every right to live your truth or not or not but to bring someone else and like make them be married to you when it's like not a truthful marriage i don't know i'm like starting to feel like like we have we we owe well here's the thing if he was going to these parties and making out with the girls like kissing his girlfriends why is this getting it to be a little much and she's not at the parties the whole thing is so weird yeah i guess tell her just because first of all like i know he's your friend but like how close can you really be right who's married right like you guys you sound toxic no kidding no no but like i'm sorry that's not like the same as a girl's friend like of course that's your best girlfriend right different than being your best guy right right because like boys and girls can't be friends it sounds like this also might be in a an appropriate time for an anonymous letter do you think boys and girls can be friends okay when no not an anonymous letter by the way just tell her yeah yeah okay like back to your question like single people in high school like high school like no is everyone straight everyone's straight you know because i do have like my best friend forever was a guy even when i was married he's gay now so maybe we can't actually right because now thinking back like maybe it was like an inappropriate friendship we were so close but he's gay turns out it wasn't turns out it wasn't right but i do think like boys and girls like can't be like that close and it like post call like you know when everyone's because either you're in love or it's an inappropriate relationship like if one of you if you're both single and like best friends it's like well you're in love well if you're single and you're best friends and like you tell each other like get married that you're in love you are in love that sounds amazing you're halfway there it's a dream you want to spend your time with them you like talking to them like why the only thing left is like the physical stuff i guess like if you're not attracted to them but like most people are if you love someone as a best friend like you will find them beautiful because i don't see people exactly but also most people are like friends with their like same ish level of attractiveness yeah yeah you're friends with like a bunch of uggos no episode's all about friendships like and what goes into friendship it's the theme for today friendship it's beautiful um tell her tell her i don't like this because i don't like any kissing outside of your marriage even if the they were initially pecks i don't like pecking outside your marriage how about that yes it's cheating so like a girl should know that her husband's cheating on her but also it's even more layered because if you're cheating in a marriage like there's an element of lies between you.

1:11:26I can't believe it took us so long to get to this conclusion. Like we're actually too sensitive. No, because sometimes like with Dear Toasters, it's like, well, is it worth the trouble? Then you become the villain and you started all this. So a lot of times with Dear Toasters, we just say like mind your own business. Yeah. But that's why I said the thing about like these, I feel like it's more often like gay men than like gay women. But sometimes, yeah, like gay women, like leave marriages, whatever. But I feel like most of the time it's like gay men who live in like marriages that are lies. and I just feel like in the year 2026 like we don't need to be doing that and if you are I feel like now it's mean and it's wrong and I don't know if that's spicy and if I'm gonna get canceled for saying that yeah on this one like we women we've got to look out for each other right sisters sisters you can't say screw sisterhood no we stand together we make up one big family but we don't look the same my spots are different Different colors I'm such a good singer.

1:12:26You are? Yeah. It's really beautiful to witness. Thank you. And just like be able to be a backup singer. Oh, you agree? Like I have an amazing voice. I've always supported your singing. Yeah. I just feel like honestly being here, like it's like a podcast or it's holding me back from reaching my true potential. Well, you're in front of a microphone. Do your thing. Okay. At least you've made it this far to where your job entails you sitting in front of the microphone. I'm unstoppable I'm a Porsche with no brakes I'm invincible Yeah, I win every single game I'm so powerful I don't need batteries to play I'm so confident Yeah, I'm unstoppable today Just a little see-up for you.

1:13:11See you later. See you later, alligator. Thanks so much for a great show. Anything else? Like, wrap it up? No, that's it for me. If I have anything else, I'll say it tomorrow. that's the great thing about this show except on a Friday so we have until Friday but then it's the weekend so it's like okay I'm more excited about the weekend than the thing then I forgot to say that one little thing thank you guys so much for listening to the talk that I probably forgot for a reason the millennium morning show we deliver the fast five stories you need to know everybody through Friday on YouTube so you're watching us on YouTube please help you to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast and where podcasts can be found so that's Spotify iTunes, YouTube, Republic, Video I already cast box all the places where you listen to podcasts find us at the show so you can find us about how beautiful stunning and wiggly talented we are love you bye leave a message you keep frantic to say that well i just it's an evolution love you bye oh no that's not part of the evolution i'm evolving no love you bye leave a message don't