Toast Passion News: Thursday, May 28th, 2026

28 May 2026 · 55 min · 19 chapters

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In short

“Toast” fast-five pop-culture and reality-TV news plus behind-the-scenes chatter about a contentious lunch, a photo shoot, and daily annoyances (rain/windshield wipers, “moldy” vibes).

Guest backgrounds

No guests appear in the transcript; it’s hosted by Jackson Claude and “the Toast” (two co-hosts discussing among themselves).

Key claims

  1. Summer House: West Wilson allegedly won’t be asked back next season after Ciara reportedly set a condition that he not return; producers allegedly chose Ciara over West.
  2. Love Island USA: Production asks fans to stay kind online ahead of season 8 (premieres June 2).
  3. Bravo/Threads: Kyle Cook responds to theories about Wes Wilson and Amanda, saying Wes “white-knighted” too far and hitched his wagon to Amanda.
  4. Amanda’s “medicated” look is discussed; beta blockers are mentioned as a possible explanation.

Notable examples

  • Lunch dispute: tuna/food left in a car overnight (quiche/tuna sandwiches, sardines, specialty market items from “Bill Bouquet”).
  • Photo shoot: chair with wheels rolls into a potted plant; merch/AI image talk.
  • Wes’s podcast clip and “three likes” joke; Love Island “psychological warfare island” criticism.

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Chapters

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A Sweater Discourse

0:45 to 4:10

Casual banter about sweaters and fashion between hosts.

“No, but, like, I didn't know that you wear this sweater.”

Lunch Responsibility Debate

4:10 to 10:40

Hosts engage in a humorous debate about lunch and garbage responsibility.

“You should be worried about not knowing how to accept responsibility.”

Photo Shoot Challenges

10:40 to 14:00

Discussion on challenges faced during a recent photo shoot.

“You actually can't convince me otherwise.”

Broadening Horizons

14:00 to 14:25

The hosts discuss their efforts to improve personally and for the show.

“And we're actually actively trying to like broaden our horizons.”

Closing Thoughts

15:37 to 17:07

Wrap-up of show topics and casual conversation.

“You make them again and again, stage after stage.”

Closing Thoughts

18:00 to 18:21

Wrap-up of show topics and casual conversation.

“Use it at checkout to snag a special discount on your first Smart Mouth purchase.”

West Wilson's Casting Controversy

18:24 to 20:06

The hosts discuss rumors about West Wilson's return to Summer House.

“Our first story, West Wilson is allegedly not returning to Summer House.”

The Fallout of Lies

20:09 to 23:05

A discussion on the repercussions of dishonesty in relationships.

“Like I do think you get a little bit more runway and like flexibility in your schedule.”

Wes and Amanda's Drama

23:09 to 28:00

Analyzing the complicated relationship dynamics between Wes and Amanda.

“Like that doesn't move the needle for me at all.”

The Fall from Grace of Reality Stars

28:00 to 28:34

Discussion on Amanda's unexpected downfall in the reality show landscape.

“And now, it had started in the first couple of episodes.”
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Exploring the Effects of Medication on Reality Stars

28:34 to 29:46

Conversations about medication impacts on reality stars' performances and appearances.

“Are your feelings for West really stronger than a couple million dollars?”

Understanding Beta Blockers

29:46 to 31:16

An informative dive into what beta blockers are and their effects.

“Like it just like, it's like a neutralizer.”

Reality TV Production and Viewer Reactions

31:16 to 36:35

Discussion on the production choices in 'Love Island' and the impact on viewers.

“So like when people are saying they're not saying anything.”

Reality TV Production and Viewer Reactions

37:45 to 39:08

Discussion on the production choices in 'Love Island' and the impact on viewers.

“You're traveling with three toddlers, two grandparents, a nap schedule.”

Reality TV Production and Viewer Reactions

39:11 to 40:15

Discussion on the production choices in 'Love Island' and the impact on viewers.

“I feel like everyone's talking about Salt and Stone.”

Flirting Rumors: Sean Evans and Kiki Palmer

42:00 to 45:30

Explore the budding romance rumors between Sean Evans and Kiki Palmer after their flirty interactions on podcasts.

“romance rumors swirl with Hot Ones host Sean Evans after his crush confession.”

Production Controversies: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

45:30 to 47:20

Discussion on the controversial return of Taylor and Dakota to the show amidst restraining orders and viewer concerns.

“producer of secret lives and mormon wives confirmed in an interview to variety that both both Taylor and Dakota are welcome back to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.”

Susan Boyle's New Era: Transformation and Authenticity

47:20 to 48:30

Debate Susan Boyle's radical transformation and implications for her authenticity in the public eye.

“And if we are, and production, too, like, if we're really invested in, like, her healing, you should not put him on the show because it just sets her back.”

Hair Talk: Trends and Personal Choices

48:30 to 54:44

Lighthearted discussion about hair trends, personal choices, and styling dilemmas.

“So it's just a subject that you or I, or both, are passionate about.”
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Transcript

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0:03Jackie Oshry:Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

0:08Claudia Oshry:It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The fast five things you need to know.

0:18Jackie Oshry:We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a great day. Great day.

0:28Claudia Oshry:Happy Thursday, fam. Speaking of great girls. Oh, it's me. Speaking of great. Speaking of greatness. I have that sweater. Avara? Is this nice to have a nice sweater, you know? I have two of these. So do I? From Avara? Mm-hmm. I didn't know that. What, do you think you're the only one who got gifting from our sponsor? No, but, like, I didn't know that you wear this sweater. Like, I love this sweater. You know I love this sweater. It's so interesting. I actually wear that sweater all the time on the toes. But I guess you're not, like, noticing me. Or I just see it. Like, I see a white-collar sweater, and I don't realize, like, it's the exact same one.

0:58Claudia Oshry:that were that simpatico.

0:59Jackie Oshry:We are, oh my God, I have to yell at you for something. What'd I do? So we took a little date trip yesterday, you, Ben, and I, for a little secret project. We had a meeting. And so of course, we had like a 30 minute drive to the meeting. So before the meeting, we had to get snacks. And we got a bunch of stuff, like turkey sandwiches, croissant, some other stuff. And we ate it all. You were eating it in the backseat. Okay. And we ate it all and we like left it in the bag, right? Yours. There was a quiche.

1:25Claudia Oshry:No, we left like all the garbage. It was like a big bag with all the stuff and like the garbage. Okay, but like not my garbage because I brought mine into the meeting. And then Ben. Not her garbage. What about the quiche?

1:33Jackie Oshry:But you were sitting in the back seat and you left the bag of garbage. I got into the car this morning with a bag that had been left overnight in the heat with quiche, tuna sandwiches. Of your garbage in your car. It was our lunch and you were sitting in the back seat where the garbage was. You guys gave me a tuna sandwich.

1:49Claudia Oshry:When we were leaving the car. I ate it. It is on you to bring the garbage back. I didn't even know that was a garbage. I didn't know there was anything in there. Sure. You guys went shopping. There was like market goods in there. Yes, that was different. That was a different bag. This couldn't be like less my problem.

2:02Jackie Oshry:100%. We procured the food and you left the tuna in my car overnight. No, there was no tuna. Ben ate the other half of my sandwich. All the garbage. Okay, you know what I'm saying? What garbage? It was right there. I brought it. There was a big thing of garbage.

2:14Claudia Oshry:I had no garbage. All of our food. Your food. I don't work for you. Our food. No, we got the food. It was our food for lunch. You and Ben got the food. I wasn't with you. We got food for all of us. And you gave me my sandwich and I handled my sandwich. I got you a quiche. You gave me my sandwich and I handled my sandwich. It was a group thing. Like if you want to be now independent, like out on your own. It's not a group thing. We all got lunch from the same place. And I have to throw away your garbage? Our garbage. My garbage wasn't in there. You were in the back with the garbage and you left it in the back.

2:42Claudia Oshry:Your garbage that I didn't even know was garbage because you had like cans of tuna in there that like you bought from the market. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. That was a different bag. I didn't go through the bags while I was sitting back there.

2:52Jackie Oshry:Well, when you were leaving the car, like you take all the trash.

2:55Claudia Oshry:I didn't know it was trash. You guys went marketing. Okay, that was a different bag. I know you want to blame this on me, but you just have to concede. I handled my business. But like, it's not your business when we all had lunch together. Like, it's ours. We didn't have lunch together. We went to the St. Ambrose Market.

3:09Jackie Oshry:Without me. You guys went without me. We bought lunch for all of us while you were shopping. We all bought lunch from the same place. We all ate it together. Like, it's lunch. We didn't eat together. It's group lunch. I ate mine in the meeting. Well, she brought it to the other half of her sandwich. I put it in the fridge. I put it in the fridge at the meeting.

3:24Claudia Oshry:It was a group dinner. My lunch was like a whole thing. You can't remove yourself from the lunch. That I handled my lunch. You cannot remove yourself from the lunch. It was a group lunch. I know you want someone to blame. No, I don't want. I have someone to blame. And unfortunately, I guess you can't blame Ben because he was driving. Correct. It's you. It's you. No, no. It's you, sweetie. It's you. It literally couldn't be less me. You were in the backseat. It couldn't be less me. 100 % you. 100%. I don't know what's in those bags that you guys threw in the back. It's your car.

3:52Jackie Oshry:We were all eating lunch.

3:53Claudia Oshry:I ate my lunch alone. Stop removing your lunch from the group lunch.

3:57Jackie Oshry:I ate my lunch alone. It was a group lunch. It was one receipt. Like we all bought lunch together and we all like ate it together.

4:03Claudia Oshry:We did not.

4:05Jackie Oshry:So my car smelled like food this morning. That's what I've been up to. Well, I'm sorry that that happened to you because you didn't throw out your garbage. Through your fault. Yeah, it's okay.

4:12Claudia Oshry:Don't worry about it. It's not my fault.

4:13Jackie Oshry:Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

4:14Claudia Oshry:It's not my fault. I'm not going to wear that. No, it's okay. I'm not going to wear that. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You should be worried about not knowing how to accept responsibility. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

4:26Jackie Oshry:Ben did buy like literally like canned sardines. We went to like a, it's like a, like a, a market. I keep calling it St. Ambrose. What is it? I don't know where you went because I wasn't there. It's, you know, we got lunch for you while like you were shopping. You're welcome. First of all. No, I know. But I don't know where you went. Was it Bill Bouquet? Yes. Yes. Thank you. You do know where we went. Okay. Bill Bouquet. And like, so we, we bought all the food and then like, I'm leaving. Like we're done. and Ben's like, wait, I have to go back in. I'm like, what? And he leaves me in the hot, sweaty car.

4:53Jackie Oshry:First of all, I'm dying, like eating a croissant. He comes out with the biggest shopping bag of like, they should make a store called Smelly Discussing Foods and like Ben would be the CEO of it. He bought canned sardines, canned tuna,$40 mustard. Like it was one of those specialty food stores. And then there was like a jar. What was in that jar? Artichokes?

5:11Claudia Oshry:No. It looked like a jar of artichokes.

5:12Jackie Oshry:I think it was sardines. No, I guess sardines are like canned.

5:15Claudia Oshry:Yeah. No, it looked like a jar of like, you know, something.

5:18Jackie Oshry:it was like all the most disgusting food in the world sold in one store. And they didn't even realize when Ben walked in that they met his match.

5:25Claudia Oshry:Did he at least bring that into the house? Of course. Oh, okay. What's he going to make with it? I don't even know what it is. So you're saying he went into the back, brought... That wasn't in the back. That's what I'm saying. Yes, it was. I was sitting next to that. Remember, I said... It was a brown bag and the food was a white bag. I saw a bag of food. I was looking for a sweet treat.

5:39Jackie Oshry:The brown bag was in the front. The white bag was in the back. And the white bag was huge, like full of garbage. I never saw a white bag.

5:44Claudia Oshry:I never even saw, I saw two brown bags. You need to be a little bit more aware. Aware of the garbage in your car? Your surroundings. Like, your surroundings. Aware of the garbage in your car? It was a huge white bag. But you're telling me, Ben went into the back seat, got the things that he brought from the market. The market bag was up in the front with me. No, no, no, it wasn't. Because remember, I got into the back seat. And I said, is there a sweet treat in here? I'm like, oh, no, I don't want, like, yellow belly tuna. The brown bag, I believe I brought it in. Like, it was with my purse in the front seat.

6:11Claudia Oshry:And what was it? What was the food in the back? Garbage! No, no, no, but I saw the cans of tuna. Remember I said? No. I was like, what's this yellow belly tuna? He got like belly tuna. And I saw the cans of artichokes. The cans of artichokes made its way. So someone brought those in and willfully ignored the other bags. I rest my case.

6:33Jackie Oshry:Backseat responsibility. Anyways, today's episode is going to be like, you know, quick and easy. Okay. I don't have a lot to add. Didn't really do much yesterday. Didn't play Maj. was like being a businesswoman. We had a photo shoot, which was like devastating. We did a lot yesterday.

6:46Claudia Oshry:No, we had a photo shoot. We took a meeting. We got a contentious lunch, apparently, even though I loved it. It wasn't contentious. I loved my sandwich. I split it with Ben. I brought it to the meeting. Everyone was laughing. I could like walked into a meeting with the tuna sandwich, like not even in her purse, like holding it like. I know because, well, because you gave it to me in the car, but I could not eat in the back seat of the car. So I, and this sandwich looked amazing. So I brought it in and, you know, I could have used a chip with my meal. And thankfully, And they had like a little.

7:11Claudia Oshry:When we walked into the meeting, they had a little basket of snacks. So I was able to pair my sandwich with a plantain chip.

7:17Jackie Oshry:And then also when we walked into the meeting, I sat down in my chair and I didn't realize that the chair had wheels. And I just sort of like rolled backwards a little bit into a plant, like a big potted plant. It was huge. And the potted plant like literally fell over onto the ground. It was deeply humiliating. Like just walking in, I just I kept like laughing to myself, thinking about what we looked like as a group.

7:35Claudia Oshry:Like walking in with our sandwich. Stealing the free snack. All of us sitting down, not even high. just like oh you have chips good i was looking for a chip then claudia takes down the furniture humiliating like we don't even like say hi we just like bumble in yeah seriously funny stuff

7:51Jackie Oshry:really really funny um but then we also had a photo shoot yesterday which like was upsetting oh it's okay it's like not i know like i feel like try being an influencer for a day like having to like have all these body image issues and then like consistently be like not even photograph paparazzi like it's exhausting i told jackie like next time we launch merch like we're generating ai images of us in the merch like i can't take it no i want to photoshop these pictures so hard

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8:17Claudia Oshry:that like we go viral for how hard we went photoshop job let's do it i think that we will no the goal was to get like one suitable photo of each item it doesn't matter to you or yeah yeah

8:27Jackie Oshry:just one and i think we achieved that yes yes and it's like that's what we have to do as business

8:31Claudia Oshry:women but like it's exhausting it is exhausting it's not just like body image issues which like we all have it's like childbearing of course you know what I mean it's like we're trying to do these major things and then we also have to do a photo shoot like seriously stop no it's it's not our fault no so like maybe just the merch photos are on hold why don't you guys just like give grace in the comments okay yeah no the pictures are gonna be amazing but it was the process of getting

8:56Jackie Oshry:there yeah you know what I mean and like I wonder if regular models regular I mean real models like do they sweat like I feel like anytime I'm on set of a photo shoot like changing clothes like running around like oh he's getting like so hot and like sweaty and I just can't really imagine like real models getting sweaty because they're like they're so skinny like I think they move at

9:11Claudia Oshry:a slower pace I feel like shoots usually take all day credit to us we did our shoot in under an hour like we shot all of our items in under an hour most people you know they like to dilly dally extend the day they're paid by the hour we are not hourly no we are not hourly we're salaried not that no no that's like the opposite of no I know but it rhymes yeah we're salaried So we moved swiftly. I love being salaried.

9:38Jackie Oshry:Like, I just think that, like, salaries are amazing. I hope everybody gets the salary that they want. I'm sending salary dust to everyone here today. Yeah. Just love, like, when I see my salary come in, I'm like, yes. Yeah. Don't you find? More salaries. Yes. More salaries in 2026. Salary, like, always puts a smile on my face. Yeah. Like, look at us. We're, like, we're giddy. Like, salary. Salary. Salary. Salary. Salary. Not to be confused with celery Which does not put a smile on my face No Never

10:06Claudia Oshry:It's not Celery's fine

10:07Jackie Oshry:It's not

10:08Claudia Oshry:It's a nice little crunch

10:09Jackie Oshry:What did you call it? What is it? Celery and carrots The French word Mise in place No

10:16Claudia Oshry:Micropo What is it? Micropo Like the aromatics Yeah when you do that in the pot That's the micropo That doesn't sound familiar But you know what I'm talking about No I think it's micropox

10:30Claudia Oshry:Micropox? very le cordon bleu mise in place is when you prep your ingredients ahead of cooking in little bowls like you're on a cooking show that's so Rachel right it's so important to mise in place mise in place has a place like if you mise in place early in the day and then like you cook at dinner time it's a breeze life's a breeze life's a breeze when you have a salary yeah but then you have to have a photo shoot

10:54Jackie Oshry:does it feel like there's like a weird vibe in the air

10:56Claudia Oshry:it's very hot in here it's raining

10:58Jackie Oshry:do you remember when we were in the Hamptons two summers ago and we were like acting so crazy so we thought the house had mold.

11:04Claudia Oshry:That house 100 % had mold. In retrospect? You actually can't convince me otherwise. I agree. We did buy an at-home mold test didn't we? But like it takes weeks. We didn't do it but it 100 % had mold. But it was affecting our state of mind. Yeah that's what mold does. I feel a little moldy today. That's what mold does and I do feel like kids were getting sick. Totally. We were only there for a month.

11:23Jackie Oshry:That's enough to leave a lasting

11:24Claudia Oshry:impact. No it's just it's hot in here. It's raining outside. Oh yeah what's up? like overcast what's that about i don't know but it was hard because it was like i need my sunglasses

11:33Jackie Oshry:on but now it's like really dark so like the the sunglasses and like the rain you know when it's like gray out and it's like so bright but there's no sun to be had what is that and then like i put

11:43Claudia Oshry:my sunglasses on i'm like okay well i'm driving in the dark now yeah right safe but then i take it off and i'm like well i'm ruining my botox by squinting so hard and so and when you have photo shoots like you can't be doing that and then i also like struggle with like how strong to have my windshields go do you change them all the time when i but yes but when i was driving here today

12:01Jackie Oshry:it wasn't actively raining so i didn't have them on oh okay because i'm looking at other people i'm

12:05Claudia Oshry:like you guys don't even have your windshields going i have mine at a four i think it's like a

12:08Jackie Oshry:flex to like have it on a very low or a zero being like i can see like rain is whatever hey i can't yeah i just i hate that shit even ben i'm like can you turn the windshield wipers on i think it's

12:17Claudia Oshry:like a very guy thing to be like windshield wipers like whatever i know when i'm driving i turn them up to a four because obviously the rain comes down harder but then i'm at the stoplight and it's actually like not raining so i turn them off i literally am changing my windshield volume every two minutes i think that's like a girl thing you think i think it's a gendered issue i think i'm just an overthinker no no i'm telling you like it's a girl thing maybe if i were distracted i wouldn't be noticing like my windshield's going and there's no rain like i would just not notice i hear it like when the windshields are going and there's no rain it's like and then like if you focus on them too hard i'm like it is a turn this racket down it's vertigo yeah yeah so that's a struggle yeah but i made it here thank god it did stop raining along the way which always helps before like the rain driving in the rain less very dangerous less than like it's just not it's not fun and what are stories like today you know just a lot of topics that we've been covering some updates developing news yeah developing i would say i think people will be pleased it's the hot topics i would say like the things that people want to hear about but who knows you guys always complain about everything like too much summer house who there's no such thing copper's bell burden like what's copper's bell burden educate yourself what's copper's bell burden are you even listening to anything we say no like they're they don't care about the book or

13:32Jackie Oshry:anything but like oh i like how it's like before i read the book everyone loves it claudia you need to read it then i read it everybody's like can we stop talking about copper's bell burden i can't

13:40Claudia Oshry:fucking win with you guys like seriously you're insane we try to do like a different story like Be literate. Not something like so fucking mindless. Brain rot. I'm getting in trouble. But I had fun. A thousand percent. And like we will always have coppers well burdened. Yeah. Can you say the same? No. And like we're just trying to like switch it up sometimes.

14:00Jackie Oshry:No. And we're actually actively trying to like broaden our horizons. Like just become better, more well-rounded individuals.

14:05Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Get on board. It's good for the show. I have to tell you something.

14:09Jackie Oshry:I don't know if you know about this, but like people are freaking out. So Kiki Palmer is like what? Sean Evans. Oh, I have a story.

14:16Claudia Oshry:Oh, my God. I didn't know if that had left TikTok yet. I'm right on top of that, Rose. Yes.

14:21Jackie Oshry:Okay.

14:22Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So I would say the stories are in tune with what's necessary. That's good. Without further ado-da-da-da-do, here are the Fast Five stories that you do need to know.

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18:27Claudia Oshry:Thank you, Code Turt. You're welcome. Our first story, West Wilson is allegedly not returning to Summer House. What? So insiders are saying that he has not been asked back for next season of Summer House after Ciara reportedly made it clear that she would only return if he didn't. Slay. And producers ultimately chose Ciara over West, allegedly.

18:48Jackie Oshry:Oh my God, okay. I didn't know we were making casting decisions yet, so I wasn't even thinking about this. I feel like we're not. I just want to say, if this is true, let's operate under the assumption that it's true. This is such a slay on Sierra's behalf because I'm sure a part of Sierra didn't even want to return and doesn't need to. But the fact that she has the power to take the one thing that he cares about most in this world away, which like is his fame,

19:05Claudia Oshry:and she decided to do it. Like, I love that. Okay, but also there's like a spinoff show happening that's filming another like summer house, some Ozarks, and it's Wes's friends. It's Midwestern, yeah. It's Wes's friends, and he's going to be on that a little bit. so like he sort of has his next job oh I don't know yeah I don't think she can like stop him from being famous I'm shocked that she wants to go back like what's there for her anymore except to like mess with West but like are we still messing with West no because that defeats the

19:33Jackie Oshry:whole purpose like this person has made it clear time and time again how little he cares or respects you but you're gonna still spend so much of your time energy and your career you're gonna give your whole summer to this show just to stick it to him I hope not or she like likes the show and it's like all good I don't think she's like you know like we were talking about like the Ariana Maddox pipeline whereas like I think that she's getting a lot of opportunities but not like retirement stuff like when Ariana was on that road it was so clear like she has max one season left like it was just not I feel like Sierra's like still very much operating at this high level within the Bravo universe I don't feel like she's exceeded it yet so I don't think she's at a place yet where she can't you know can successfully turn it down and like has a million opportunities she definitely

20:10Claudia Oshry:has like a lot going on I think after Dancing with the Stars like things might change like it hasn't really all started yet um and i think that will be really huge for her but i agree no being on the show it's never sometimes you can like leave and it gives you time back and you can do more but it's never going to really hold you back like it's just summer and it's prime time like it's just not even the summer it's the weekend it's the weekends of the summer you're on a major television show like great yeah it's true it's like a low lift yeah it's like it's never going

20:37Jackie Oshry:to be a bad thing to stay on and i do feel like the more senior you are like you do get away like Like Lindsay Hubbard barely shows up like the last couple of seasons. Like I do think you get a little bit more runway and like flexibility in your schedule. Amanda and Kyle were always like missing weekends to like go to weddings and stuff.

20:50Claudia Oshry:And then do you think in terms of like plot line, having Sierra in the house over West and Amanda is more interesting?

20:57Jackie Oshry:No, it's more just like I'm more and I'm all for justice. So it's like, yes, justice means Sierra gets the house. But like in terms of shit I want to watch, I want to see those two lunatics. Like they're insane.

21:09Claudia Oshry:they're crazy people and they don't give a fuck like they're crazy people also people really were shocked that like we're actually believing that they didn't sleep together until after the statement

21:18Jackie Oshry:i just would be hard-pressed to believe that they're still lying because that would mean you're some of the dumbest people on the planet like dumber than you know and i've already realized

21:26Claudia Oshry:like you're so dumb you're extra dumb you're incredibly dumb but are you before we sat down

21:31Jackie Oshry:watching a clip of west on his podcast and sophie his co-host was like let's talk about jesse like do you regret lying to Jesse? And Wes was like, I regret the lying of the, the part of this that I regret the most is the lying, mostly because I have no credibility now. Like no one's ever going to believe anything I say when like I've literally have a track record of lying to the faces of people that I love and trust most in this world. So like, yeah, I don't know why we would believe him, but I would be shocked if they're still lying.

21:55Claudia Oshry:That's so dumb. I know. And this is what I'm always trying to say is like, don't lie because then when you need people to believe you, they won't. And also like don't lie because it's like morally and ethically wrong, but it's for the next time. You know, it's for when you need to be believed. Like he has zero credibility. Why would we believe anything that he says? So yeah, I don't know if I'm naive or I just like actually can't believe that someone would be so like stupid and lie. Everything is online. People have photos, videos of everything, like text messages, receipts. Like if they are still lying, I would be shocked.

22:28Jackie Oshry:Yeah, I would too. So I'm gonna believe. And they're also just like, everything they're doing is weird. So like, yeah, it would be weird that they didn't have sex until two weeks after.

22:34Claudia Oshry:Like they're just freaks. Agreed. But also the lie that they're telling that they didn't sleep together till after the statement doesn't make their situation any better. It really doesn't.

22:41Jackie Oshry:It's just like it actually makes it worse because they blew up their whole lives for someone that they've never actually been intimate with. And like you don't know if you really like like you did all that took all that risk for what?

22:50Claudia Oshry:But I guess they're saying like, we are going to be doing this. Sorry, but we're going to do it. Not like we've been doing it, but it's a bit of both. I don't think the lie that they're telling doesn't absolve them of anything. I don't feel any sort of way that they slept together after the statement versus before. Like that doesn't move the needle for me at all. So if that's like the big lie, it's a waste of their breath. Agreed, but they're so obsessed with the timeline. Like maybe. I thought they were so obsessed with the timeline because they feel like the timeline vindicates them in some way.

23:21Claudia Oshry:From not having had an official affair. Yes and it doesn't like I even if the timeline is as they say it is it doesn't vindicate them from anything they've been falling in love for months. And so West being off the show leaves us with Amanda or no? I would think no. You think Amanda's going to go into the Lions Den without West? Right. No. And if I were Sierra I would have said without West and Amanda. yeah but this is all just put them both out of rumors yes this is rumors in the ass

23:56Jackie Oshry:exactly um it's weird like west has this podcast i was just watching a clip where it's like we're hearing from the source it has three likes like it's like it's not making an impact i don't know why he's this like random sports podcast where he goes and talks about the summer house drama like

24:09Claudia Oshry:i don't get it i feel bad for sophie cunningham his co-host i mean i don't because i feel like if their show has three listeners now it would have had one before so like no but it's like she threw in with this guy who just like wound up being the worst person to yeah but let's let's

24:22Jackie Oshry:say you're starting a podcast with like someone you like kind of know and like the week before you launch your podcast like he's involved in literally like the biggest pop culture scandal people are racing to podcasts for their takes and you know interviews and you've got the guy

24:34Claudia Oshry:yeah it's kind of major i guess but i don't know i just feel like it's a little beneath her and she's like i just keep here to talk about sports yeah like here i'm asking you about jesse solomon jesse solomon protect jesse solomon truly after he apologizes to lexi wood yeah and to us no i don't need no i need i need an apology like that we were so gaslit into like like everyone saying that we were wrong about our take we took so much heat for lexi like it's insane i would do it again and again and i don't know how people watch that and our team house and can sleep in And her team house. And it's the whole house that did it to her.

25:10Claudia Oshry:Everyone. Amanda. Everyone. Sierra. Everyone. Wes, the boys. Are you moving too fast? Shut up. Seriously. The whole house did it to her. It's true. And we. Not us. Not us. Also, Kyle Cook is responding to threads about theories about Amanda and Wes, saying that he believes that Wes hitched his wagon to Amanda after their divorce. So on threads, there was like. So much is happening on threads. I know. I'm never downloading it, but I hope everyone's having fun over there. It looks interesting. There's a couple. It does. Yeah. But anyway, someone on threads was like, here's my theory about like what happened and what Wes Wilson was doing.

25:44Claudia Oshry:He saw that Amanda was like having a summer where she was probably going to emerge from the season as the Ariana Maddox victim. Like everybody loves her because she's going to be like the scorned woman rising from the ashes. And so like he hitched his wagon to that person, got really close with her and then sort of like fell into this situation. But it was all born of the fact that he was trying to capitalize on what she was going to be doing. I love. And then Kyle responded and Lindsay responded. Lindsay responded, like nailed it. Got it. And Kyle responded, of all the theories, this is what I believe.

26:17Claudia Oshry:Just look back and did a rewatch of my street interview on April 1st. I discussed this very concept and refer to him trying to be a knight in shining armor and saying what women want to hear in part three of Adam Glynn's videos on TikTok. He hitched his wagon to Amanda and as someone referred to it on Reddit, he white knighted too far.

26:34Jackie Oshry:okay not Kyle reading Reddit he needs to calm down so I like the theory like in the base of the theory just being like West is this like desperate desperate thirsty loser like who will do anything to be famous I do think the theory gives him like a little too much credit in terms of like being that strategic like I don't think he's that smart um but I do like not enough people are talking about how like why this West thing is so crazy for a million reasons is because outside of West and his like you know summer house drama he's like always on the internet being like a woman's advocate. I don't know if you've seen that.

27:04Jackie Oshry:And it's like, it's always those guys who are like the worst that are like Justin Baldoni, you know, like. Don't even start. Sorry. But it's always like the feminists that are like, like literally beating women, like metaphorically. That's also what makes the situation so crazy. And I feel like Kyle kind of said that in like a backwards way. I don't know if he meant to, but I don't, I don't like this theory. I just want to say.

27:23Claudia Oshry:Yes. No, but I could see, I don't know how they got to the point of like falling in love and having an affair, but I could see over the summer where he was like, Like everyone's going to like love and root for Amanda. Let me get in good with her. Like let me support the person that everyone's going to love. I feel like people do that in general. If you see someone is in an argument, you support the side that's right because you want to be on the right side. But I do, I could see it having been like a little strategic of like I'm going to support like this victimized woman. Yeah, yeah. And throughout the season.

27:47Claudia Oshry:And we never got to see it through that lens because. Now we see it through this lens. Because like in the middle of the summer we started hating them. but if we had seen when Kyle says to Amanda fuck you and then Wes brings his chair the way the internet would have loved that so he was whether it was intentional or not playing into that and he would have been on to something if he hadn't so fucked it up her too I will never get over the generational fumble I will never because Amanda was supposed to be the Ariana the Ariana of this season. Yeah. And now, it had started in the first couple of episodes.

28:27Claudia Oshry:And now she's the Sandoval. This is insane. The fall from grace. No, it's insane. It is. And like,

28:33Jackie Oshry:you would never catch me being so stupid.

28:36Claudia Oshry:Are your feelings for West really stronger than a couple million dollars? Not even a couple million, like 10 million dollars, maybe more.

28:43Jackie Oshry:Are they stronger than that? They better be. You two have to be married forever. They have to be. That's the only way for this to have ended up okay,

28:49Claudia Oshry:is we come back in five years and you guys are still together. whether we come back in 10 years, you guys are still together. Net, net, I would say like, that's the financial loss here. $10 million. $10 million over time. I agree. Not even over time. The brand deals that she was doing, that she's no longer doing, the ones she would have done as the season continued to get worse and worse for Kyle and she's, and then the reunion when she has her like moment, independent moment throughout this summer, everything, like throughout like this next summer, like, and then plus probably her dancing with the stars, probably her.

29:16Claudia Oshry:Traitors. Oh, and is she going to be on the show anymore? That paycheck ends.

29:19Jackie Oshry:Right, right. No, it's a... She should go on Traders because we never know what she means.

29:24Claudia Oshry:It's so true.

29:26Jackie Oshry:Even at the reunion, she's just so stoic.

29:28Claudia Oshry:Well, people are saying she looks medicated and I would agree. Yeah. Well, she is medicated. She has shared that, but she looks numbed. Yeah. Like beta blocker. Whatever those are. I mean, one thing about me, I have no idea what a beta blocker is. I don't know what it is either. I always thought it would be like a Xanax, but it's not.

29:44Jackie Oshry:No, no. Khloe Kardashian was talking about it once and it's just like... like all of your cells. Like it just like,

29:52Claudia Oshry:it's like a neutralizer. Could you ask chat what it is? Like I would like, like not knowing, but yeah. But now that we're like servicing it, I don't know what it is. I just want to know. What's a beta blocker?

30:02Jackie Oshry:Question mark. What does it make you feel?

30:04Claudia Oshry:Do we need them?

30:06Jackie Oshry:A beta blocker? It's a type of medication that slows down the effects of adrenaline on your body. So it blocks beta receptors, mainly in the heart and blood vessels.

30:14Claudia Oshry:Ooh. So I guess if like you're having a performance, it's good to take like before performance.

30:20Jackie Oshry:So some people describe it as your brain being anxious, but your body not being able to rev up. Possible side effects include fatigue, dizziness, cold hands and feet, exercise intolerance. Oh, I take beta lockers. They're not sedatives and they're not intoxicating. Most people still feel mentally clear.

30:35Claudia Oshry:Okay.

30:36Jackie Oshry:They can be dangerous for people with asthma,

30:38Claudia Oshry:so you shouldn't take it if you have asthma. So they block your beta. Exactly. Okay. So yeah, she's probably on like a bunch, like she's definitely numbed. Yeah. And people were saying like her pupils are dilated. I don't know about all that. Me neither. But she's already a medicated individual. And I'm sure she loaded up for this huge life event. Yeah, it's true. That's a huge source of stress, anxiety, and depression. Because a person who's not medicated would need to be medicated. And so a person who is medicated would probably need to double up. Because this is probably the most stressful, anxiety-inducing thing a human being can experience in this day and age.

31:09Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Like sitting there for the roast. And it's literally 13 hours. Oh, my God. Miserable. And like in a full tight dress. So like when people are saying they're not saying anything. like what like what do you want them to like i know they're probably just like butt punching waiting for it to end genuinely just took meds they're sitting there like like the cardboard

31:26Jackie Oshry:cutouts no they do you know when like when like somebody smokes pot and they like get like anxious so they sit there in silence like that's what they both look like no they their job was to show up that's and they it's true the bare minimum it so um tbd if he doesn't return although i will say from like an entertainment perspective like not loving that agreed and i could see like

31:46Claudia Oshry:Like, Sierra not needing the show anymore. Yeah. So, especially Dancing with the Stars would be in the fall. She'll be back up and running. Yeah. Our next story, a little more reality TV news. Laiusa, Love Island USA, is asking fans to keep it kind on social media ahead of the season 8 premiere. So, Love Island.

32:05Jackie Oshry:The thing about me is I hate the Love Island production team. Like, I think that they're all, like, the worst people ever. Like, this happened last season. First of all, I don't even know what they were referring to. Like, did something happen or this is, like, a precursor?

32:15Claudia Oshry:I feel like it's a precursor because like last season things got out of hand. Who did they get out of hand towards? I don't like remember, but they had to, they had to, was it that? Yeah. But that's for me, it's like, well, you cast a crazy person to go on your show.

32:30Jackie Oshry:Not only did you cast a crazy person, you saved her time and time again. There's like three or four bonfire ceremonies where you sent home lovely people. Yeah. Because you wanted to keep this crazy person. So like stop giving us crazy and like wanting us to react and then being mad at how we react.

32:43Claudia Oshry:Mad that we have a reaction to craziness. Yeah.

32:45Jackie Oshry:Yeah. They also are just like so, like they are so tuned into like their fandom and their fandom is crazy. And they let the fandom like run the show. So I, like I love Love Island. I think that the production is like nutty. So what did they say this time? And what are they talking about?

32:58Claudia Oshry:I think they're just like, you know, trying to remind everyone because people do get so activated about the show in general. I don't know if they started filming because it premieres June 2nd. So they probably have like the early episodes. A couple of days. And maybe like things are crazy already and we're going to like hate someone. Hopefully. Hate someone and want to bully them. Hopefully. they posted the villa runs on good vibes and so does the biggest lie ever told the villa runs on good vibes it runs on crazy vibes yeah we love seeing your reactions opinions and debates but everyone deserves to feel safe and respected like i yeah this is a space for fun not negativity sure literally sure like you torture people like a psychological and the challenges are literally designed to humiliate people so keep it in mind keep it positive and remember this is love island and why don't you speak that statement into a mirror it's not love island it's psychological

33:46Jackie Oshry:warfare island yeah and like i'm just letting you know like i'm not listening to that because i'm gonna engage with the content you put out in whatever way i see fit like i just have and if you don't want people to have like outsized reactions why don't you keep the crazy people who to mustafa off the televisions she's so nuts you see she released a song i did i did uh somebody said it's lash tech music and i seriously cracked what is it lash tech music what like when you're getting it's like it's music that only exists but like at the lash tag

34:14Claudia Oshry:that's funny our spa like plays like instrumental versions of Sabrina Carpenter oh our nail plays yeah yeah they play like really it's like what's that genre called like bossa nova

34:27Jackie Oshry:I have no idea bossy nova

34:28Claudia Oshry:like generic bossa nova I've never heard of that bossa nova yeah you have no it's like the girl from Ippolita what the fuck are you talking about the girl from Ippolita Ipanema. Yeah, I know what you mean. Zuby, Zuby, Zuby. What's that called? Bossa Nova. It's a genre of music. It's so Lauren Bostic. Yes, it is. Zuby, Zuby. She literally, I think one time she came on this show. That's why I know the word. Because I was like, what kind of music do you like? And she's like, Bossa Nova. I'm like, okay. Moving on. You can leave. It's a relaxed style of samba. Yeah, so they do like samba, samba on a grande.

35:04Claudia Oshry:Like our nail place. Sambiana Carpenter. Yeah. It's like

35:08Jackie Oshry:Something about you Zuby doobie May me feel like Dangerous Yeah And that's what Huda's music sounds like Got it If Huda Mustafa has zero haters Like I've seriously passed away Give my best to Romeo Yeah

35:21Claudia Oshry:He'll be fine

35:22Jackie Oshry:She's all Completely She's all over my like TikTok and stuff now Because she released a song Yeah She did like an interview Being like yeah We're releasing an album And everybody's like okay It took a while Yeah It's been a whole year Well she was busy Abusing her boyfriend and his baby mama. Yeah. That's obviously very time consuming. That is. And then she had winter games. Oh, yeah. I feel like that winter games really came and went.

35:44Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Who won? Was it a competition? I would think so if it's games. I'll find out on Potster. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:54Claudia Oshry:So, hmm? The purple team won. That's great. Okay. Well, Liusa, a couple days. Are you ready? I'm like not.

36:07Jackie Oshry:It's so much. It's so much scheduling. Like it's so much infrastructure. But I will do my best. Yeah. And like, how do you think we're going to be recapping Lausa this

36:17Claudia Oshry:summer? Like every day, once a week. So the way that we did it last summer when we had guest co-hosts, it would really be like every couple of days when the co-host was watching. I feel like with you and I, maybe at the end of every episode, we'll do a Lausa recap if we're watching every night. It'll be really hard to wait till the end of the episode. But like we have to because not everyone watches and like I want to encourage people to not watch I know but I really enjoyed all the

36:39Jackie Oshry:content last summer and there were a couple of people being like you guys could not stop talking about anything but La Yusa so this is like just your message like we are going to be recapping

36:46Claudia Oshry:La Yusa if you'd like to join us like it's now's the time but I just want to say like if it is really bad and I thought last season was pretty bad if it's even worse than that you thought last season was really bad I feel like like it was really good no it was and like the production was so frustrating like sending home Jeremiah sending home Hannah just when she has a connection with pep like it was infuriating like keeping huda over and over again so if it's really bad i'm gonna stop watching like i won't like i have a family and a full life and like i'm gonna give

37:15Jackie Oshry:my time back it is an insane amount of content to ask people to watch what is it six hours a week

37:20Claudia Oshry:yeah but episodes are like more than an hour right and the way that it's filmed and like it's so slow yeah so like i'm just letting you know they have like to reach they have to reach a certain standard in order for me to watch. It's important to keep your standards high. Yeah. No, no. I'm just, I'm letting everyone know. Next. As I get to say, putting them on notice. I'm putting them on notice for sure. Are you ready for our next story?

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41:56Claudia Oshry:Thank you, Turdy. You're welcome. Our next story, Kiki Palmer romance rumors swirl with Hot Ones host Sean Evans after his crush confession. So Hot Ones host Sean Evans, who hosts Hot Ones, the show everybody loves, went on Kiki Palmer's podcast and the two of them are sparking romance rumors after the two of them flirted throughout the episode.

42:18Jackie Oshry:It's a really flirty episode. First of all, I ship so fucking hard. Because first of all, you know that Kiki Palmer is like one of the most, like, most watched episodes of Hot Ones. She did like, before the show really took off, she like really, her episode put the show on the map and she was being so funny. So now I think she's the person who's been on the most times. It's like either two or three times. And he's just like, every time she's on, he like doesn't know what to do with her. He's like really dazzled by her and I feel like kind of shy. But he's like a little weird. So you're like, oh, maybe.

42:42Claudia Oshry:But then a couple of things. Because we also thought like him and Chloe, right? Yeah. No, we hoped.

42:46Jackie Oshry:There was nothing there.

42:46Claudia Oshry:Like I feel like a couple times because he's single and he has on these eligible, beautiful women.

42:50Jackie Oshry:And he asks really thoughtful questions. And I think a lot of times people end up just feeling very seen by him. So people were like, is there something there? But nobody ever really was talking about it. And then he went on Chicken Chop. And she was like, have you ever like had a crush on any of your guests? And he was like, yes. And she was like guessing. And he was like giving clues. Like, you know, we shared this guest. And she couldn't figure it out. So he was just like Kiki Palmer. And we were like, oh, like we were on to something. and now she had him on her podcast where they're literally just flirting for an hour and like good luck watching a clip like you're just like big dope like smiling ear to ear it's so cute I think her mom was there too and there's just like a lot of really cute moments like I ship so fucking hard and we know that Kiki Palmer I don't know a lot about her dating life but I know like her previous partner who is the father of her child is like the devil so we want like a nice P-jom I think he's like a really like nerdy nice guy

43:42Claudia Oshry:Yeah. So they are flirting on the episode. There's clearly like attraction both ways. It's established on his hand. Like he said, he's had a crush on her. In the episode, he said that his celebrity crush growing up was Left Eye. And then Kiki said, I played Chili in the TLC story movie. Close enough. And then he said, absolutely close enough. Do you think that they're dating and like? No, but like, okay. I think that say they're not dating, but what do I know? This is just how I think about it. Say they're not dating, but they, it's just always been in the background. like every time we see each other it's really nice he goes on her podcast okay it's very clear we're both single we're both interested we're having a great time like they are going on a date

44:19Jackie Oshry:now yeah they apps even just to like give the internet what they want like we need to see them spotted but i do think that there's like real potential here of course stop it's seriously so

44:28Claudia Oshry:cute i love kiki pommer more than anything in this whole world no and like kiki said like shout out to mr mrs evans like your parents yes and he was like oh i thought you were talking about us I'm dead No So smooth Very slick

44:40Jackie Oshry:Very slick I can't I also feel like The one thing that's missing From Kiki Palmer's career Like is a relationship I don't know who her ex was But he wasn't like Very well known So you know It's just always a good way To like you know Rise your star And

44:56Claudia Oshry:I would love this They need to go out Like give it a shot Let's see what happens I don't see a reason why not Yeah it's not like They're like co-workers Like it would mean You know ruin a friendship Yeah like they've both Been on each other's podcasts Like so if they never could go on again but no big deal seriously cute yeah i think they're gonna go out i think they've already gone out before the episode i don't know like maybe the timing in the past just like wasn't right like she was in that relationship right and then she was like a new mom but i feel like now everything's like really settled it's time yeah our next story some slamo production news the producer of secret lives and mormon wives confirmed in an interview to variety that both both Taylor and Dakota are welcome back to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

45:41Jackie Oshry:I don't believe you.

45:42Claudia Oshry:He said, I've talked to Taylor and she wants to come back and I want her to come back. He told Variety that he's hopeful she will return to filming the show. He compared her to reality star predecessors Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian. He said, Taylor Frankie Paul has that thing like her two predecessors do where she's just made for this. To share her life on camera, she does it like breathing air. She doesn't edit herself. She's really built for this type of lane. He said that due to the dual restraining orders from Dakota and Taylor, production will be unable to film them interacting for the foreseeable future.

46:14Claudia Oshry:He said, but I'm very hopeful that we'll be shooting with both of them or either of them very soon.

46:18Jackie Oshry:I have no problem with Taylor returning. Like, she's problematic, but it's her show. Like, she can return to her show. I have, like, a really big problem with that weasel returning. Like, I won't watch.

46:29Claudia Oshry:And I have a problem, like, on behalf of her. Of course. You know, because it is her show. On behalf of women. Yeah. And like as if the men of that show, like did we not learn? Like they ruined the show. They added nothing. So it's not like we're missing anything by reducing their time. But it's unfair to her to have him on. He can go build his own thing and have his own thing. This is a show that's like really built off of her back. Yeah. And like if this is her abuser, it's not fair to even if they don't have to film together. Like he's always in the dialogue. He's always in the press. Like he's when they're doing, you know, shows and other girls are talking like just remove him from the equation, please.

47:04Claudia Oshry:Agreed. I can't stand him. Especially if we want her to heal. Like, I think everybody who is a fan of the show or works on the show is rooting for her, is disappointed by her, but, like, wants her to heal and, like, be the best person that she can be. No, we're not discarding her. Mother that she can be. Absolutely. And if we are, and production, too, like, if we're really invested in, like, her healing, you should not put him on the show because it just sets her back. She's incapable of compartmentalizing. Yeah. that also makes her a good reality like yeah we should say compartmentalize better but also makes her a good reality star she never thinks should i not put this on tv should i not say that yes all

47:41Jackie Oshry:of that i agree but it's also just like it's ethically wrong like this is a bad person and

47:45Claudia Oshry:like what let's normalize like not engaging with bad people yeah about that and at a certain point the there's no longer entertainment value no it's sad it's all this project no but it's been done like there's nothing that could happen between the two of them that i'm sat for like i don't care Yeah, I don't need to sit down conversation. It's run its course. I don't care if they hook up again and then fall out again. Like, I'm not interested in that. I don't think anyone is. When we saw, like, where it gets to, like, I think we closed the door. Yeah, agreed. But she's welcome back. It's her show.

48:16Claudia Oshry:Of course. That's how I feel. Actually, I'm not saying of course because I think people would say no. Right. I personally think that she should be back if she wants to come back. Our fifth and final story is sort of some major news, and it's part of a new segment that is now being called TPN, Toast Passion News. Okay. So it's just a subject that you or I, or both, are passionate about. Okay. And that is Susan Boyle's new era.

48:40Jackie Oshry:Okay, so you are passionate about.

48:42Claudia Oshry:Susan Boyle reveals a jaw-dropping radical transformation as a new era starts for the recently reclusive star. So Susan Boyle has wiped her Instagram account and revealed new images of herself after a jaw-dropping makeover. You think it was AI? No. Oh, really? I don't think so. Let me see. Like, so there's a couple images. The one of her crossing the street I thought was AI. In a fur coat with, like, the new. Very Beatles. With the new hair. Like, here she just says that's the microphone. Why would that be AI? No, that's not AI. There's her again. I'm seriously cracking the fuck up. So she's teasing.

49:13Claudia Oshry:The drama.

49:13Jackie Oshry:She has a new fuck-ass bob.

49:15Claudia Oshry:She sort of looks like Anna Wintour. Yes. She has, like, a very blunt bob and bang. I see sunglasses. She's wearing a huge sunglasses and fur coat. But it also says hashtag ad. A new era starts tomorrow. What? Like she wiped her Instagram for an ad. An ad? An advertisement? For what? But how can it be an ad if you don't tag the advertiser? Well, I think Susan like does things in her own way. Yeah, I agree. And I could see her like her fingers slipping. Or it's like an ad because her record label is making her post about her new music. Or like it's an ad because like she thinks it stands for amazing day.

49:53Jackie Oshry:Display.

49:56Claudia Oshry:one thing about Susan is that you can't you cannot predict they tried to when she stepped onto that stage they thought she was just going to be like a sad woman

50:06Jackie Oshry:although I will say I think a lot of the appeal is her sadness and like her homely vibe and this sort of like chic fashion forward era for her I don't know if people will be receptive to it I think they like her like sort of nightgown they want to keep her down

50:20Claudia Oshry:I think they want to keep her down

50:21Jackie Oshry:I don't know if I would say they want to keep her down I think they would want to say like, just be who you are. This doesn't necessarily feel authentic to Susan.

50:29Claudia Oshry:But I think those of us who know and trust Susan, like no, she wouldn't do something inauthentic. So if this is what she's doing, this is what she's feeling. She's literally the British Mason Ramsey, don't you find? Yeah. I did check her Instagram. She has not posted today. Like the era starts today. How do you know that? Because yesterday she posted new era starts tomorrow. Oh, okay. I don't know if she said. And then as of, you know. well she's in the UK what time is it it's further along so where the fuck's the new era

50:58Jackie Oshry:where's the new era oh no that's got me worried maybe she said this isn't me she had like a crisis of conscience the night before at the 11th hour yeah well I'm looking forward I love TPD by the way TPN whatever yeah I love TPN what else would fall under passion news I guess anything having to do with Bell Burden

51:16Claudia Oshry:no but actually that is pretty like mainstream of course people are talking about it anything to do with like Charlie Puth and Michaela but Neguero. I disagree. That was worldwide news. What was the fifth story yesterday? Neil McDonough, the guy from Desperate Housewives. Desperate Housewives definitely falls into TPN. Yeah. So like, I think it's - New segment alert. New segment alert on days when there's, like if there were a more compelling fifth story, I would choose it. What's more compelling than Susan Boyle's new era? Personally, I have no answer for that. Good. Those are the past five. Are you going to cut your hair like in solidarity?

51:51Claudia Oshry:You know what? I was just thinking this morning, not because of Susan. Sure. I was feeling like I need to cut my hair because I don't have like really the time or energy to really like style my hair right now. Do it. But no, not right now, but like maybe in a few months, but I think in a few months I'll have the time and energy to style my hair. But like right now I like. Bob. Who remembers Jackie O Bob era? Bobby O. That was the best. No, and I'm going to do a Bob again one day. That day is today. No, it's not today. But I was just like thinking like, what am I going to do about my hair?

52:20Jackie Oshry:like it's just what am I going to do about it it's sort of like this existential crisis where like you know you like realize you have to make dinner every night for like the rest of your life like I have to have hair no and forever it's just like an extra you take your power back and you know buzz your head should we do Jackie's buzz era like Susan has her bob era no but I don't have

52:41Claudia Oshry:a problem with my hair like my hair is fine well I was just thinking about it I think you know in a few months I'll be able to like dedicate more time plus it's like falling out so I'm just like not like feeling it right now but I was just like even if I had someone come and do my hair like that takes time what about a pixie cut I don't feel like you're being constructive I don't I'm

53:00Jackie Oshry:just throwing things out there like what are you're not throwing real real options out there okay um mohawk um let me think let me think I was just it was just a thought I was having so

53:13Claudia Oshry:It's funny that you mentioned.

53:15Jackie Oshry:What about like pigtails, like braids? Please stop.

53:17Claudia Oshry:No? Okay. Please stop. I'm just trying to get creative.

53:20Jackie Oshry:How do people wear their hair besides down and up?

53:23Claudia Oshry:That's what I'm thinking. How do people wear their hair besides down and up? Pigtails. Down is not working for me right now. And like up's not really working either. Okay. Sorry. I was trying to be creative. Half up, half down. I literally told you this week I don't like pigtails. Even Kelsey couldn't pull them off. Okay. Half up, half down. Okay. What about like one solid braid? End the show. End the show. Like a French braid down the back. Like how we would wear our hair in camp when we were playing the man in the play. Because it was an all-girls camp. So if you were playing a boy, you wore one French braid.

53:55Claudia Oshry:Okay, you're just kind of insufferable. Like I'm trying to help. There's not a lot of options. I'm sorry you don't like any of them. Because what you're looking for doesn't exist. No, you're not offering solutions in earnest.

54:07Jackie Oshry:Okay, what are other ways to wear your hair?

54:09Claudia Oshry:Like, yeah, what are other ways to wear your hair? A wig. it's not we're not there you're not there yet okay okay what about like a clip in bang okay thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Millennial Morning Show the greatest show on earth

54:24Jackie Oshry:where we listen to the Fast Five Stories that you need to know every Monday, Friday and YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up or else available as podcasting or podcasting so that's about a five-year sister public radio I request box all the places where you listen to podcasts find us at Toast the five-star review where you're setting a weekly town to VR hope you guys have an amazing day we'll see you tomorrow love ya bye

54:42Thank you.

From the publisher

1. West Wilson Allegedly Not Returning To "Summer House", As Insiders Call Lies (Deux Moi) (18:30), Kyle Cooke Slams West Wilson for “Hitching His Wagon” to Amanda Batula After Their Divorce (Cosmopolitan) (25:24)

2. ‘Love Island USA’ Asks Fans to “Keep It Kind” on Social Media Ahead of Season 8 Premiere (The Hollywood Reporter) (31:56)

3. Keke Palmer romance rumors swirl with ‘Hot Ones’ host Sean Evans after his crush confession (Page Six) (41:59)

4. Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortensen Are Welcome Back to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Despite Dual Restraining Orders, Says Producer (PEOPLE) (45:27)

5. Susan Boyle reveals jaw-dropping, radical transformation as 'a new era starts' for recently reclusive star (Entertainment Weekly) (48:25)

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