Wesmandoval: Wednesday, April 1st, 2026

12:14Claudia Oshry:tolerate rumors of a split, then play into them for one day without actually saying it. And then the next day we announced the new flavor.

12:23Jackie Oshry:I would do it. It's different. It would say, not only are we, but Ben is also seen with Dana. Like that's like Tim. No, actually it's so unbelievable that I would do it for the check. yeah yeah there are very very few things i wouldn't do actually i had to call jackie last night because like i really don't turn stuff down like yeah this is we gotta pay this is an expensive studio and now we got something i got dallas of course somebody came through for us and i called jackie it's like we need permission to turn stuff down like we don't turn stuff down and i said jackie this is we got pitched the craziest idea you guys like it was so nutty and you guys would have hated it yeah you would have hated jackie and it was it was like a really good amount of money but it wasn't life-changing sometimes the numbers so high you just have to say yeah that's that's happened to us whatever you just have to tolerate it you do this i i wouldn't make you guys sit through and like it was embarrassing to participate like and it was a good amount of money but it wasn't life-changing and after taxes and we have to split it and the commissions to everybody dear media like seriously it's three dollars yeah yeah and also like most of

13:26Claudia Oshry:the time like i think they're really fun and good and and like and we can make anything yeah i love our hand cream breaks like i would pay to have more of those love our hand cream breaks so yeah for us are so dry all in all we did turn it down and um i was totally aligned so you're welcome for having spared you guys whatever that was yeah we'll tell you one day um i will say the only thing that you're like ben and dana comparison is missing is like you guys are married 10 plus years like this is not that so maybe they thought they could joke about it i don't know i'll just wait the day and then by midnight tonight I will be a complete believer but I do still think there is a I would say now three percent chance every hour that goes by on April Fool's the percent chance goes down but three percent chance that this is like a brand deal prank still I think even less

14:14Jackie Oshry:like I'm now of the mindset yesterday I was like almost convinced that it was fake but I'm pretty sure it's not um and I'm going to operate on this episode as if everything is completely true although for anyone who doesn't know about the Buffalo Wild Wings thing we will share in the first story which we should definitely get into because at this point it's just confusing yeah let's get

14:29Claudia Oshry:into all of it oh also i've been oh my god my phone was blowing up yesterday like you would think uh like i was on summer house um i think a lot of people also like are really into summer house and like don't have friends that also watch they don't know like who to talk to about it so i'm just like everyone's therapist about this um but they were also saying like i need someone to explain like to my husband why this is such a big deal so i think we need to start from the top when we do the story that we're about to do in the fast five stories that you.do need to know And the Fast Five stories that you need to know

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17:50Jackie Oshry:My intonation didn't give end.

17:53Claudia Oshry:It wasn't giving conclusive. I just checked my phone and Tama told me the prank she did for Josh for April Fool's Day. Her husband. Oh, she told me. It was so funny. She's neighbors with Frank Catania. Which is just a fun fact about her. And they're like neighbor friends. So she faked a phone call with Frank Catania that they were coming over for Seder tonight. She started bringing up chairs from the basement while acting like really good one. Frank is coming for Seder. Now he, like that's a dream. Dream. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll hear this and he'll pop over.

18:25Jackie Oshry:I just want to let everyone know we are recording at the crack of dawn and we have been told like to be alerted if anything comes out about it because of course the timing yesterday couldn't remember whereas we do a whole episode like is it real? Is it real? Is it real? Maybe 20 minutes after our episode dropped, it's real. I had to be honest so we're going to try and be most up to date.

18:40Claudia Oshry:I'm glad I got all of my thoughts out yesterday in like anticipation of knowing the truth because like I said, I can't believe a person I refuse to believe a person would be so like self-destructive self destructive and self-indulgent really yeah anyways here's the story wait and before before we start

18:58Jackie Oshry:from the top I just want to say like unequivocally team Sierra right but I feel like as podcasters and just as people I try to learn you know always and one of the takeaways I remember feeling from um scandeval was like of course i didn't feel bad for raquel it was very much like the consequences of her own actions but like at what point is it too much right like she's she's a person who didn't kill anyone like she made it just a very bad mistake um over and over and over again over and yeah and i felt like towards the end like we were beating a dead horse a little bit and we're so not there yet i just want to be mindful of my language do you feel that way do you feel that way about sandoval no no i don't i don't know why no that's fair yeah i just feel like anybody who's getting the wrath and she's wrong like in terms of the situation i just get like scared and sad for the person i'm an empath yeah um who's like getting i've been on the end of a very smaller scale except not sandoval no not sandoval because there are people who are truly evil i don't believe Amanda's evil I think she's not smart um or loyal and yes self-indulgent is the perfect word for it but I don't think she's a evil person so I don't know I just get conflicted because I am like an empath but she's wrong and we hate her yeah no I I didn't say that's what you want me to

20:20Claudia Oshry:say I don't have to hate her I don't have to have such strong feelings about this this isn't my life you know what I mean yeah right right and it's not like I was ever like love love love like wrapped up my identity in her or these people so like I don't have to have the equal and opposite reaction I guess if like you have your identity wrapped up in these people, like you'll have really strong feelings about it. But like I don't. So I'm like, damn, you shouldn't have done that. Tea.

20:39Jackie Oshry:The tea is hot. Let's start from the top for anyone who might not watch Summer House and know what it is. It's a reality show on Bravo where people like young hot things. Jersey Shore of the Hamptons. Way less energy. It's been on for many seasons and only has really gotten popular in the last three years. It was actually like the shittiest, most janky show in the beginning. and pretty much everyone who was on it at once is no longer on it except for Kyle and Amanda who were very much like the center of the friend group that the show was built on. She came in as his girlfriend, then fiance, then wife.

21:07Jackie Oshry:And if you watched even one episode, you would know that they were probably the most poorly matched couple. He was just, first of all, not loyal to her. She like didn't seem to care enough to demand any real change from him because he's very much the same guy. Say what you want about him, but he's very consistent. The guy we met on season one is the same guy who was yelling at his wife last week. Yeah. Yeah. Party animal. Life of the party. High highs, low lows. People in the cast and friends and people who watch the show have long wanted Amanda to be free from this relationship. They love her.

21:41Claudia Oshry:Every season, the relationship is going through it on the show. And then we see the reunion. And the rest of the year, obviously, the other 10 months of the year, they're in therapy doing better than ever. And we'll see you next summer. And that's what it's really been. We're fixed. rinse and repeat for the last 10 years i don't know how long the show's been on but five six years since they got married and then this summer was right before this season came out it was announced that they were divorcing and it wasn't really a shock to anyone more so just a shock

22:07Jackie Oshry:that they were actually finally doing it and the fandom really rejoiced like the messaging was very much amanda is free and she was on this path that's sort of been carved out by ariana maddox in the last couple of years where it's like you're a scorned woman from a Bravo show and you go on to eclipse that Bravo show. You get brand deals, opportunities, commercials, hosting gigs. And it was clearly like that trajectory that she was on until this scandal. Now, the other players are two people named West and Sierra. Sierra's really good friends with Amanda. Best friends. Yeah. And West is one of the newer castmates on the show.

22:41Jackie Oshry:And in his first season, he entered the house for the summer and him and Sierra like quickly entered. will they, won't they? And by the time summer ended, we caught up with them at the reunion. They had been in a full-blown relationship. She was going to Missouri to meet his family. She was deeply, deeply in love with him. And he was new to the scene. And at the reunion, he shared that they had broken up. And she was really devastated, one, because she kind of delivered one of the most heartbreaking monologues. I rewatched it on TikTok yesterday about how she is sort of a traditional girl and she really does not have sex with people.

23:13Jackie Oshry:Like, she's like, I'm sorry, but that really means something to me. I'm just not one of those people who can give myself physically and not just be completely invested, which was actually really refreshing to hear on reality TV. And it was just devastating because the reason he had ended up breaking up with her was that it was his first season on reality TV and he was blowing up and he just felt like he couldn't be bogged down by this relationship. And he wanted to explore all opportunities. He was like getting all these DMs and these watch parties. And it was a really fucking bad look for him.

23:38Jackie Oshry:It's like you're giving up on like an actual true romantic interest and opportunity with a girl who's like so lovely and beautiful and loves you so much for what? DMs? Like it was the most disappointing thing he could have done. Yeah. And the fandom really turned on him. And he's sort of been working his way out of this hole for the last two seasons. And I will say I do believe he successfully rebounded. It did take a while. But Sierra like never forgave him and was still really hung up on him. So the last two seasons since their breakup have also been like, you know, her forgiving him and clearly just being so still hung up on him and having to work through that while also being mad at him.

24:16Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And this season, I think, was leading up before this, leading people to think like maybe there was a chance they were getting back together. Dumois said that they were spotted.

24:26Claudia Oshry:So I think we all thought they were on track to like try again. Yeah. They've been flirting this season. Like you see her like really try and forgive him and also struggle with her feelings of like still having feelings for him and like how shitty that is because of what he did. But then he also felt so embarrassed by it. Yeah. And she he's also starting to say like he thinks she's great. But like he won't say anything actually. Yeah. Of import. You know, I think she's cool. I really like her. I like how I feel around her. You know, not like, listen, I'm sorry. I want to do this right this time.

24:53Claudia Oshry:So like always just giving her like half ass. Half. Like I like you, but like not enough to give you what you want.

25:00Jackie Oshry:West's best friend in the house named Jesse is also really hung up on Sierra. And I haven't seen the episodes yet. What is West's reaction to that?

25:08Claudia Oshry:Like the make out thing. Yeah, I think he like said it was OK, but then everybody else was like, that's really weird.

25:14Jackie Oshry:Yeah. So if you're watching with like a very keen eye, it doesn't really look like. But maybe he's just not like that, like unless he's behind closed doors. It does feel like she likes him more than he likes her.

25:24Claudia Oshry:Yes, but also I could imagine a world where he was thinking like, of course, I don't want my buddy to. make out with Sierra, but like if that would make Sierra happy, I think he just wants her to be happy and like not be like if I think for him, it's like if she moved on, she wouldn't hate him so much. And that would be good for him.

25:40Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

25:41Claudia Oshry:You know, so I think he wouldn't ever stop her from moving on.

25:44Jackie Oshry:Right. The season is airing now that was filmed last summer. And then a couple of weeks ago, we told you guys this yesterday. Do you want a couple of whispers? This rumor just starts very small and then becomes fact in the matter of like a week that West, Sierra's ex, is seeing Amanda, the girl who just got divorced, who's best friends with Ciara.

26:03Claudia Oshry:Not to mention, let me not forget that Kyle and Wes are also really good friends, housemates. Yeah, sure. No, no, no, but that's another part of it. Nobody feels bad for Kyle because he's just such a bad guy. But these are all people who are like best friends in a friend group and now have like traded partners in a shocking way.

26:17Jackie Oshry:Deeply entrenched with one another, romantically, platonically, business, you know, a lot of them are business together. Right. It's so crazy. And I don't even know what the craziest part is. I think it's really, for me, it's obviously, it's the shock that Amanda, because the track that she was on, she kind of got away. Everyone was like championing her, like she's free, she's free. And I just remember thinking like, why are we like championing? Like she's, nobody forced her to get married. I just remember thinking, I'm like, she's just about to become so famous and so rich for what? Having bad taste in men and then 10 years later deciding.

26:53Jackie Oshry:Like she, to me, she wasn't like, no. And it's easy to champion.

26:57Claudia Oshry:If you love Amanda, like, why can't you give her brand deals and champion her when she's married? Why does she, why does someone have to get divorced for you to like care about them and want them to do well?

27:08Jackie Oshry:And so I find it so shocking that like she would obviously the betrayal, right? Like Sierra is her best friend in the whole world. And you've watched her for the last two years, literally cry in your bed about this guy. So like how you could truly be so like thoughtless, thoughtless little pig.

27:26Claudia Oshry:That's an Alec Baldwin reference for you. I'm not calling her that. For you husbands and boyfriends listening.

27:32Jackie Oshry:Obviously, the betrayal is like what's most glaring. But like when I really look at it, like psychologically, like. You would really give up not only a best friend, but like all this opportunity, right? You clearly want to be famous. You've wrote it out on this show since the very beginning. And there were dark years where three people were watching and two of them were Taylor Strecker and Taylor Donnie. you okay like literally it's cool now to watch summer house it was not cool and you got embarrassed on tv you got cheated on on tv you got yelled like you obviously yearn for a career in this you would give up all of that and your best friend like a deep real friendship for what a guy who Dumas is also seeing two other people right so like for a feeling that you have because

28:09Claudia Oshry:it's not like they're in love and they're gonna be together like they wouldn't even say relationship in their joint statement this is the joint statement and this is like what's actually really confusing and where I feel like she maybe had an opportunity to say something of import and she didn't. But also the statement is very vague and leaves room for it being a new Buffalo Wild Wings. She didn't even say West.

28:28Jackie Oshry:Yeah. She spoke generally with pronouns.

28:30Claudia Oshry:They both posted the same statement yesterday. It says, we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show. We needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine longstanding friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach with this care.

29:00Claudia Oshry:As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. You will get no understanding and no respect, especially not with this statement. Because like, basically she's putting out the statement and if we're putting the pieces of the puzzle together, they've been sort of seeing each other for a few weeks. This probably happened like after the new year and it's like new and we have a crush and we're like acting on our feelings.

29:28Claudia Oshry:Meanwhile, he's also been seen with other girls. So it's nothing exclusive or anything. And for me, I'm just like, okay, this is your best friend, Sierra. Doing this will hurt her so badly. It will absolutely ruin your relationship with her. It will ruin your reputation. and professional and your place on the show and just like everything and your name and, and, and all the other castmates too.

29:48Jackie Oshry:Like they, like, like you're not only losing your friend and Sierra, I do believe you're going to lose a lot. Yeah. A lot of rest of the cast.

29:54Claudia Oshry:So you're going to do all of that because you have feelings for this guy. And if you have just like, Oh, I feel like, Oh, I've been feeling like I have a crush on Wes. Like you could, you know, like just not act on that. You could, unless it's like this, a big, great love and you're emotionally like distraught over it and you're like this is my person and if that's the case say that write a statement from the heart and say yeah this is the last connection this is the last thing i ever expected to happen i wish that i had these feelings for anyone other than this person but i cannot help how we both feel and like profess your love for him and stand on that and give us no choice but to believe that you two have to be together right like a romantic pov because this you have

30:36Jackie Oshry:any other choice oh you have a connection that developed womp yeah it's so much to throw away for what you're not even calling a boyfriend right and this is someone who has a reputation for being like a fuck boy not settling down and so it's only furthering that for me i'm like well is he even like stopping seeing other people which according to demois he's not and hot take

30:57Claudia Oshry:if you're gonna end up with west you should have just stayed married to kyle because they're the He's younger. They're the same person. Life of the party. Reality TV star. Everybody loves him. And Kyle's just now 10 years older and it's not aging well. It's sadder. And it's sadder. And he's doing the same things, but he's older and he has more pressure and he wants to have a family, but he needs his business. That's going to be West in 10 years. So, like, really, they're the same person you should have stayed married.

31:22Jackie Oshry:Absolutely. Also, another part of this that's just so crazy is the page of it all. Like, I think a lot of people are wondering. And I feel like Hannah Berner posted an ad yesterday right after the statement came out. It was a hilarious ad. It was for wipes for your butt. Of course it was. And Paige commented a couple times about how great the ad was because she did a funny skit. And then she was like, I guess we're all just posting crazy things on the internet today. Very much giving, I'm also done with Amanda. So that's Amanda giving up two ride or die lifelong friends for a connection. They have to get married.

31:59Jackie Oshry:That's the thing. If they want to save their reputation. No, because that's all she has now.

32:03Claudia Oshry:Now this is all she has is her connection with Wes. That's all you have because you don't have your friends. You don't have your career like you did. You might not. Who even knows what's happening with the show? They're saying production's on pause. I don't believe that for one second. Get your cameras up. I mean, they picked up cameras when Craig and Paige broke up. This is so much crazy.

32:21Jackie Oshry:If you're not filming this, what are you filming? A thousand percent. For the city or whatever.

32:26Claudia Oshry:Yeah, anything. Like, this is the most interesting thing that's happened on TV. since Skandaval, but before Skandaval, like this, this is up there. I mean, it's Taylor Frankie Paul level. Like it's the craziest thing that's ever happened. And for all of these reasons that we're saying is why I still slim chance think it's a brand thing. It's a prank.

32:43Jackie Oshry:Let's talk about Buffalo Wild Wings about two hours before the joint statement was released. Buffalo Wild Wings, who in the last month has done individual partnerships like commercials with Amanda and West BWW Buffalo Wild Wings. They posted on their Instagram just like a yellow square with black text that said A-B-W-W, A-B-W-W-W. But then everyone was like A-B-W-W, Amanda Batula, West Wilson. They also tagged like 10 Bravo accounts and Tinks. And Tinks was commenting like, hi, love your wings. Why'd you tag me? Yeah. And so a lot of people thought it was like an Easter egg because then the statement came out.

33:21Jackie Oshry:They both are Buffalo Wild Wings spokespersons. And I'm not going to lie. When I saw that, I was fucking spiraling. I was like, there's no way. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And I was disappointed because we're all getting so emotionally invested in this.

33:34Claudia Oshry:And I'm like, you're kidding me. For wings? Yeah, no. And then when you go back and read the statement through the lens of a new Buffalo Wild Wings flavor, it is possible. Right, because she doesn't say West. She talks about feelings. Maybe she loves the wings. Maybe she didn't know that you could have a spicy wing with a sweet and sour. And Cholula. Yeah. And we didn't expect this connection to develop, but it's the best one ever.

34:02Jackie Oshry:And then I got sent a picture of Sierra sitting on the sidewalk in the meatpacking district crying. And I was like, oh, this is even more staged. Because why would she receive the news outside and have a breakdown outside? She obviously has known about this for like at least a couple of days. She didn't find out with the world because I just don't believe that.

34:19Claudia Oshry:No, and Amazon Live and she stopped in the pictures. She didn't find out yesterday. If we all, by the way, we've all been circling these rumors. She obviously saw the rumors when they first dropped. And she probably just asked. Right.

34:32Jackie Oshry:So even if she was outside, like she didn't know the statement was coming out. Like, I just thought the breakdown on the side of the street was so obviously staged. I'm like, oh, my God, this is a really elaborate Buffalo Wild Wings campaign. Like she's got her own flavor, too. She likes ranch, you know, like something. I don't know. And I was like, but with those two things together, I'm like, this is I feel so stupid. I feel taken advantage of. Like I got mad and I'm like, this is a good way to like harbor really resentment for Buffalo Wild Wings. I'll never set foot. I never have, but I never will.

35:01Jackie Oshry:Then a lot of time passed and page six started posting like different pictures of her crying. And I just thought it was like too convenient that like 20 minutes after the statement, I get a picture. You know, like I just didn't think it was real.

35:12Claudia Oshry:Yeah. And if she has known about this and known it's true for a couple days or weeks, why is she breaking down at the exact moment that the news is public when this is not new to her? her maybe makes it real but like I don't know I just feel like what she already knew so why now

35:30Jackie Oshry:yeah two things I want to talk about Edie Parker and Vanita so let's talk about Vanita who is a cast member on a different show Southern Charm called Southern Charm and she's really good friends with Sierra and so a lot of people have been like posting we talked yesterday about Austin like subtly Lindsay Hubbard subtly like nodding to this being true and like you know expressing their disapproval. But Vanita came out just like straight. Like I really appreciated her not like a gif or whatever. Like she was like I'm talking about you Amanda. And she was like really crazy to like release a joint statement when you haven't even apologized to your friend.

35:59Claudia Oshry:But I guess that tracks I think she said. Yeah. But Claudia she didn't say anyone's name. It could have been about the Cholula. I don't even know other flavors. She has a flavor.

36:13Jackie Oshry:Right. Spicy. Spicy. I don't know flavors. No flavors. Yeah, and then Edie Parker. So Amanda, like we said, she was on track to be the belle of the ball, Ariana Maddox 2.0, and one of the things that she was doing, she was a Tropicana spokesperson. She was also doing a big campaign with Edie Parker, which is like a luxury handbag company, and also they sell lighters, and a lot of their platform is legalizing cannabis. Yeah, they have a lot of weed.

36:43Claudia Oshry:Paraphernalia. Yeah.

36:45Jackie Oshry:And that's her thing now, pothead.

36:46Claudia Oshry:Oh, because he said she smokes. Her husband doesn't let her smoke pot. Yeah. He just said that she smokes every night. So then she got like a weed fashion campaign.

36:54Jackie Oshry:Makes sense. She got like a modeling campaign. I don't know what they were selling. She like had her boobs out in her hair and rollers and she was smoking a joint. I didn't see any E. Parker products.

37:00Claudia Oshry:I think it was for t-shirts that the proceeds of which like go towards legalizing marijuana legislation.

37:07Jackie Oshry:I'm really glad that she's using her platform for what's important. Like that's really great.

37:11Claudia Oshry:I think I know it's t-shirts with the proceeds going to blank, but I do think it has to do with like. Something for weed. Yeah. You know what?

37:17Jackie Oshry:And yesterday, the campaign had already been released. They took it down. I guess they dropped her and then posted a janky iPhone photo of someone else wearing the T-shirt being like, same shirt, new model. And I just want to say, that might be one of the top 10 loser-iest things I've ever seen a company do. I haven't bought an Edie Parker handbag in a while. But I think it's so lame.

37:40Claudia Oshry:I thought it was lame, too. I'm always genuinely shocked when people get canceled and lose brand deals. I'm like, wait, really? We're still doing this. And especially like the fallout from this hasn't even really happened yet. I feel like, you know, mostly because people aren't sure if it's real. That took a while. It's been like very slow rollout. And it's like maybe she won't continue to get booked in the way that she was. But like the dropping because she has a new man who's her friend's ex-man. You know what I mean? Like we can all be mad at her about it. But like ethically or like, you know, in your morality clause, like you just you're a single person dating another single person.

38:15Claudia Oshry:Like we're mad because we know.

38:17Jackie Oshry:But like that's why the difference with Scandoval is like if Tom Scandoval or Raquel were getting dropped from things, it's like, well, yes, you committed adultery. That's like, you know, the astronomer thing. Like there is an element of wrongdoing. Like there's a concrete thing. You cheated. This is more blurred lines because it's highly unethical. But like technically, no cheating as far as we know. It's just something, you know, I wouldn't do. So to get dropped from a major campaign, I don't even know if this would include like a morality class because technically. She just made a bad choice in her in her romantic life, you know?

38:51Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

38:51Claudia Oshry:Yeah. It's just like we're all wrapped up in the feelings of it. But like she's still the same girl that you hired for the project who smokes weed. And and by the way, it's for an organization that works to redress the harms of cannabis criminalization through legal intervention, education and criminal justice reform advocacy.

39:07Jackie Oshry:Oh, OK. That's better than what I thought it was. So now there's so many things I would like to I need to know a little bit more about how Amanda told Sierra because while there's like no way that it could have gone well there are better ways than other and it's based on what Vanita said it's giving like her she just sort of took like a cowardly way out whereas like if she had sat her down I don't know if there was ever a way that Sierra was going to be understanding but there are better ways to go about it and I imagine she just did it probably in the worst way. Yeah, I guess there's no way the good way.

39:36Claudia Oshry:But what if she had said to her, like, listen, if something like I'm in love with I have feelings for West, like I would like to explore them, but I don't want to lose your friendship. Like, is there any way that you could ever wrap your head around that? But you would have to be prepared for her to say no.

39:52Jackie Oshry:Yeah. And I keep going back to what you said. It's so true, like self-indulgent. Like, OK, if it's the great love of your life and I'm going to operate under the assumption that it's not because they won't even say love or relationship.

40:00Claudia Oshry:Because he was with someone else a couple weeks ago.

40:03Jackie Oshry:so to give up so much because you just can't like not kiss your crush who like probably is a fleeting crush and will disappoint you like self-indulgent is the perfect word for it like restrain yourself

40:13Claudia Oshry:yeah restrain yourself at your big age like yeah you can compartmentalize feelings and you can like focus on a friendship with him even though oh i all pine for something more and maybe if years down the road it didn't sure fine and you know his track record too yeah like he is you he is. He coached Ciara through this whole thing. Yeah. And he's done it. That's the other thing. I was watching clips. And even like Dara. Dara came on the show. She's one of Wes X and she's like he's the best person in the world unless you're in love with him. Because he's great like to everyone else in the whole world except for like being that person in a relationship.

40:47Jackie Oshry:And you know what's like pissing me off now is like a lot of the response from like people in the community. Like they're just like and you know what I always hated her. Claudia I agree. And you know what her bathing suits are ugly. It's like shut the fuck up. Everybody was gassing her up. She couldn't do any wrong in the eyes. Nobody has ever said a crossword. The only thing, and there are Jules truthers. Do you know the Jules truthers? Jules truthers? What's Jules? I told you guys, the early seasons of Summer House were extremely dark and actually terrible. Unwatchable TV. They had people coming in, coming out, and they had a girl named Jules.

41:19Jackie Oshry:I didn't watch this season. It's not an e-cigarette. She clocked Amanda the second she walked in that house, and Amanda was so awful to her. If you go back and watch, now people are like, So I will say the Jules truthers can say, if you haven't stopped talking about Jules, you can say you were always were on to Amanda. But up until recently, it was like, slay mama, she's free. Buy my merch. I love your bathing suits. Like she could not do a single thing wrong. And now it's like, I never liked her.

41:45Claudia Oshry:Anybody who was saying, by the way, I never liked her. If you didn't say it when it was the unpopular thing to say, shut the fuck up. I hate when people say that. Oh my God. Loser. Loser. Like so loser. She's been on TV for 10 years and, oh, you didn't like her this whole time, but you never said anything until everyone tells you you can say something. Shut up. My fashion queen. Honestly, she has the ugliest outfits.

42:06Jackie Oshry:Like, shut up. People are so fucking two-faced. Just say whatever's popular.

42:09Claudia Oshry:I always thought she was a pick me. Well, why didn't you say it?

42:15Claudia Oshry:So shut up. Totally. I saw that, too.

42:20Jackie Oshry:It's really bothering me. Ugh, it's bothering me, too. Because you didn't say it then. And so, yeah, to say it now, okay, you're just like such a bandwagoner. And you're just piling on. You're piling on. So there is a lot of piling on going on, and that's what I was trying to say at the top of the episode. Like, we can talk about this critically and, like, judge her choices. But, like, let's just, like, let's not go below. And the thing is, she doesn't even know what she's just given Ciara. Because the track that Amanda was on, which was, like, lesser Ariana Maddox, what's about to happen to Ciara is going to be bigger than Ariana Maddox.

42:49Jackie Oshry:She's going to be hosting. People say she's going to be the next Bachelorette, although it is a conflict between NBC and ABC. see what so sierra i need you i know right now is probably the lowest moment of your life like you probably can't get out of bed you can't stop crying i want you to know like what amanda has done for you is the biggest gift that's what happened with sandoval where it was like we couldn't even be mad at ariana at tom and raquel anymore because look what they gave ariana a girl who's been on the show for 15 years and made not one singular impact like seriously probably the least interesting person on that show is now the most famous and successful person on the show through no fault of her own like she didn't even earn no no sorry not earn you know what i mean No, she didn't do anything.

43:23Jackie Oshry:It happened to her. And so Sierra wasn't Ariana. Like Sierra moves that show. You know, she's one of the favorites already. And now two people. She's already like working.

43:34Claudia Oshry:She was just on the red carpet hosting for friends and neighbors. She crushes. She's Victoria's Secret.

43:38Jackie Oshry:Right. What's about to happen to her like. Is and it was going to be Amanda's and now it's going to be even bigger and it's Sierra's. So Sierra, I know right now you're probably in hell. You have no idea what they've done for you. Like you're about to be so rich and famous and that will carry you through the loss of one friend and a short guy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's really time to move on from him now. It's just really crazy that these like self-proclaimed girls, girls have done like the most stereotypical, like they let a guy come between them. Well, not they, just Amanda.

44:10Claudia Oshry:Claudia, what makes this actually more shocking than Scandaval is like Raquel and Tom were like dum-dums, you know? Yeah. Like, right, right, right. Like we, I expected that these people were like sound of mind. Even West, like he cares about his image.

44:29Jackie Oshry:Yeah, a lot.

44:30Claudia Oshry:Why would, he's also like, he's putting his connection with Amanda, like above his image and his opportunities. And he broke up with Sierra because of these opportunities. Like, really? You could be so narrow minded that I believe Raquel and Tom could be so narrow minded. I do. I don't believe it

44:49Jackie Oshry:Well that makes me think maybe he's in love with her And that's the only saving grace I think he's in love with her He's so image obsessed to throw it all away I think he's in love with her today Jackie what does this mean for the future of Summer House It is approaching

45:01Claudia Oshry:They start filming July 1st It's April Why are people talking like this is bad for the show This is the most amazing thing that's ever happened Who's saying it's bad for the show For the future of Summer House as if there might not be a future

45:13Jackie Oshry:No I'm sorry I mean in terms of who's going back in the house. Does this get anyone kicked out of the house? No. Get them all in the house. Unless Amanda doesn't want to like, you know.

45:22Claudia Oshry:Deal with it. See the consequences. Yeah. I don't think Wes is going to turn down. I think Wes will be back in that house. Come hell or high water.

45:30Jackie Oshry:He's climbed out of a hole before he can do it again. Yeah.

45:33Claudia Oshry:I think. Does Sierra.

45:35Jackie Oshry:Do they return together as a couple? Oh, you know what? I think in the next few months,

45:38Claudia Oshry:Sierra will have such a big boom in her career that she won't return. She won't need the show. And then we can watch Wes and Amanda. And actually, I think that would be, I guess, interesting. And Kyle. Yeah.

45:50Jackie Oshry:Yeah. I feel like Kyle, like interacting with Wes and Amanda is like good entertainment. I don't know. I don't think he's heartbroken. Like, I think it was a loveless marriage. He's known Wes for two years. They're friends. It's not like this deep connection, like the female friendships on Summer House. I think it could be like funny. And yeah, it could be a storyline and they'll argue. But I don't think it's as serious as it is with Sierra.

46:10Claudia Oshry:I also think he's probably grateful for the distraction from his behavior because like in these two episodes recently, and I'm sure it gets worse and worse, like he's just really he's spiraling. He's being really terrible. And like, we're not talking about that. And I think, you know. Him being with his mates, missus and all this, it sort of like balances itself out and maybe he could just like walk away.

46:31Jackie Oshry:In the same way that Sierra will ultimately be grateful to these two for doing what they did because she's about to take off. I do think Kyle is also, can acknowledge, it's the same thing that you said about the season of The Bachelorette, where there's definitely a guy on there who was about to be the villain and had his life ruined, and he's like, the unthinkable has happened and his reputation has been saved. That's exactly with Kyle Cook. The unthinkable has happened, right? Like, they just blew up this friend group, and no one's thinking about the fact

46:54Claudia Oshry:that he called her a dumb bitch. And you could also make the argument on his behalf that what he's saying that he is frustrating him about Amanda is that she hangs out with everyone else, she's happy with everyone else, but like gives him nothing. And you could say, if you want to, that like she's being flirty with Wes, that there's something developing and like that's her husband and she's doing it in front of his face and that's how she's engaging with people and like, of course he's at the roof.

47:18Jackie Oshry:Yeah, no, you definitely could argue that

47:20Claudia Oshry:if you wanted to. Yeah, no, I'm operating, I don't know why I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to say that these feelings are very new. Yeah, I don't know why. Wait, there was one more thing. Like they're not, don't you know when you like someone? I guess I've never had a friendship that turned into a crush. I've only just like seen people as like a romantic interest or not. Or platonic. Yeah. So because I just feel like from the moment you meet someone like you know if like you really like them like that.

47:50Jackie Oshry:This is also just further proof that like straight men and women cannot be friends. A thousand percent. There's something unnatural about her friendship with Wes. There's something very unnatural about Sierra's friendship with Jessie. He's in love with her. Like sorry boys and girls can't be friends.

48:02Claudia Oshry:And if anybody says we're like brother and sister, run from them. Yeah.

48:06Jackie Oshry:Because I know brothers and sisters like you. Okay? Yeah. Teresa and Jojo, nice.

48:11Claudia Oshry:No, like you're not brothers. Unless you're brother and sister with your DNA precluding you from getting together, you are not brother and sister. Correct. And you're probably gonna screw.

48:25Jackie Oshry:The funny thing about this is that I was posting on my story and my friend Rachel responded. and she's like she watches summer house like always from the beginning but she's not chronically online like she listens to the toast she loves pop culture but she's not chronically online at all so she had never heard the rumors so she's like wait who's this statement about who is she dating i said west she goes all caps what like it was so unfathomable it was very interesting to like hear her react she's like i can't believe it what do you mean it has to not be true yeah oh my god

48:52Claudia Oshry:i'm like no i know we were driving to the airport zach was driving um the car and i was all the way in the back and that's when the statement came out and I was like Amanda confirmed the rumors I was like I thought he's gonna crash because he also it is so crazy he watches summer house but isn't chronically online so he's right loose I like told him about it a little bit but I was like oh my god baby but you know me I didn't believe it so I'm like it's definitely not true and then I told him I'm like oh my god it's true and he was like what insane yeah crazy we'll come back to this this

49:26Jackie Oshry:will be a developing story um i don't know like just sierra do call her daddy like what's next for sierra yeah we'll see maybe sierra goes on giggly squad yeah i feel like that's why i don't

49:38Claudia Oshry:know that she would do call her daddy because like her best friend is a competitor podcast

49:41Jackie Oshry:that she could go on but they don't do interviews but like yeah and it would be very much like page taking a stand which i don't know where page landed in all this but i imagine it's firmly

49:50Claudia Oshry:team sierra the arc would bring her to call her daddy it would and i i'm sure alex the prototype I'm sure Alex is working overtime because like that's what we all need, you know? Right. And that's very much what like Call Her Daddy is now.

50:02Jackie Oshry:I feel like for a while they were focused more on like celebrity. Yeah. Like traditional. And now it's like very reality TV focused. Yeah.

50:09Claudia Oshry:I mean, she's producing reality television, but also I could see, I don't know why I feel like Ciara won't do Call Her Daddy. Maybe because of like Paige and Hannah having their own, like, I don't know. I just don't see it. But I could see her having Amanda.

50:23Jackie Oshry:I mean, that would be very polarizing.

50:25Claudia Oshry:I'd watch that I'll watch anything I need everyone to start talking now

50:32Jackie Oshry:have Jesse, have Lindsay Hubbard I can't believe cameras are up this reunion is going to be fucking insane that's why it's so similar to Scandaball because the timeline it came to a head at the reunion which was seriously the craziest

50:45Claudia Oshry:reunion of all time yeah have anyone, I agree, please just start talking

50:54Jackie Oshry:yeah this is like seriously all i have to live for these days okay

50:58Claudia Oshry:are you ready for our next story ready as you could be um sports illustrated swimsuit just dropped another batch of models not the cover on the cover i don't know they're really dragging it out but i i'm not gonna lie every couple days i'm like i wonder who's gonna be on the cover yes i agree i've been thinking about it just randomly like in the shower i'm like very titillated and excited and they're doing a good job so i hope they don't fumble with who the cover stars are and there's like seven or whatever like i hope there's just

51:24Jackie Oshry:one and it's whoopi goldberg cracking who did i say alissa lou oh yeah it's kind of a good call except she's really young i don't think she should be like posing is she like underage

51:35Claudia Oshry:oh i don't know but that's just like that's not who it's gonna be yeah i know um it was a bad call sorry so here's who's in the new oh i just want to say if my call was bad yours is 10 times worse no claudia mine is fucking inspired like i'm sure they're kicking themselves if they didn't think of it a thousand that's exactly who they want on the cover so they just released seven new models that are in the issue and of note alandria from love island usa great call body is tea she's an insane fucking body and she's so famous she's so famous she's so gorgeous we were like she's a bikini icon from love island usa yes this is a no-brainer she should have been on the cover just saying has anyone from love island ever done it because it actually like

52:21Jackie Oshry:i feel like love island is an audition it is for sports illustrated they just walk around naked

52:26Claudia Oshry:yeah and then also they announce katie austin kristin goff gabby mora jasmine sanders jenna sims and ellie thuman so a lot of those are like repeat wags classics wags etc cute but alandria is like you know obviously this is her first no this honestly they could have put her on

52:43Jackie Oshry:the cover that would have been like a really like kind of bold choice yeah you know who would be

52:46Claudia Oshry:great and maybe if she shot this year like which she might have shot anyway if sierra like happened to have been in this issue well i guess issues went into print already it'd be too sierra miller

52:55Jackie Oshry:sierra miller yeah yeah even though she is with victoria's secret and i don't believe you can do both really she's like a like a brand ambassador she's like a long-standing partnership with them missed opportune yeah um so yeah who is it gonna be i don't know it kind of seems like they're doing a good job also in choosing like every batch we see i'm like oh that's really good like I feel like there's a potential cover star in every match. Are they choosing from the batch or is someone totally new? We don't know. And how many covers?

53:23Claudia Oshry:One, please. Please. Please. Please. So hopefully we find out soon because like I do feel like I can't wait much longer. I know. And these stories are just like in a way. Yeah, but I'm happy for Alandria. And like she needs to drop. Oh, me too. She needs to drop the act with Nick.

53:37Jackie Oshry:She needs to drop Nick ASAP. What are they doing?

53:40Claudia Oshry:Is there one person on earth who truly believes they're together? Oh my God. and Nicolandria Twitter is fucking deranged. This is a business relationship.

53:50Jackie Oshry:So somebody called them business partners and I think that's exactly what they are. They at one point were stronger together than they were apart but I do feel like now he really drags her down. He's like a DJ and does random club appearances and she's so fucking high fashion and so famous. Girl get out. I think she's literally going to be at the Met Ball.

54:04Claudia Oshry:No and first of all if she ditches him and is single she'll have her single moment. And it's probably precluding her from pursuing relationships because everyone thinks this is like the craziest thing ever they need to give it up

54:18Jackie Oshry:and with the Nicolangia fans

54:20Claudia Oshry:I want to talk to you guys about

54:21Jackie Oshry:he won't let her give it up no of course not the crazy thing is that they never were together on the show except they tried to explore a connection and they made out and they both agreed it wasn't a good kiss they're much better off as friends and then just conveniently so they could make it to the end it was just literally an agreement and the fact that people seem to forget that and like believe that this is a true love. Who won?

54:47Claudia Oshry:Amaya.

54:49Jackie Oshry:Oh my God.

54:50Claudia Oshry:I saw like a red carpet interview of her like yesterday. I saw it too. What?

54:55Jackie Oshry:I saw it also.

54:59Let's move on.

55:01Claudia Oshry:No, I just, and not even about her, but just like, I think everybody voted for them so that. Just to stick it to like Ace and Shelly.

55:09Jackie Oshry:Who wronged her?

55:10Claudia Oshry:And oh yeah, whoever wrong, Ace wrong, everyone wronged her. And it's like, just stop doing that. Why don't we vote for like the couple that's actually together? Iris and Pepe at the time. But now I stay. Iris and TJ are like so in love. No, it's good that I honestly, I guess Nicolandria should have won for like best scripted performance. Correct. They'll be getting a Razzie later today. And then Huda and Chris.

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58:28Claudia Oshry:episode turt you're welcome liz would just send us like a tweet that was really funny about and the handle of the user has me in tears.

58:44Claudia Oshry:Satchel.

58:46Jackie Oshry:Satchel Maloney. Oh, I saw like Katie Maloney giving her statement. It's a girl. We don't care. Oh my God. What's her statement? Also, Ria. So Sierra had unfollowed Amanda and Wes like immediately.

58:59Claudia Oshry:Everyone's saying, but to, you know, negate about the prank idea that they unfollowed her and they said they blocked her. How do you know if someone blocks someone?

59:09Jackie Oshry:There's a way. Okay. But breaking news, Rihanna has unfollowed Amanda Batula. That's crazy. She has to marry West. Like the list of things she has given up by exploring this connection never ends. A follow from Rihanna?

59:25Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Wow. Devastating. Satchel Maloney. I want to hear from Satchel on this. Satchel on call her daddy.

59:37Claudia Oshry:I love Satchel Maloney. Satchel. And I forget that's why we call Margot Washery Satchel. Satchel. Because of Satchel from Vanderpump Rules. Katie Maloney's like one time.

59:49Jackie Oshry:He's not from Vanderpump Rules. He had a cameo on like three episodes.

59:52Claudia Oshry:He's the star. When they did the reboot, they should have casted it around him. Satchel and his friends.

59:59Jackie Oshry:Satchel and co. I just want to let you know I've made an executive decision to move to your toaster

1:00:03Claudia Oshry:of course how can we do two deer toasters and we need to get this episode up yeah of course of course um okay our third story Tiger Woods my inspiration is breaking his silence after DUI charges and car crash so Tiger Woods tweeted saying I know and understand the seriousness of the situation I find myself in today I'm stepping away for a period of time to seek treatment and focus on my health this is necessary in order for me to prioritize my well-being and work toward lasting recovery. I'm committed to taking the time needed to return in a healthier, stronger and more focused place, both personally and professionally.

1:00:35Claudia Oshry:I appreciate your understanding and support and ask for privacy for my family, loved ones and myself at this time.

1:00:42Jackie Oshry:Like once again, I personally like don't care about Tiger. Right.

1:00:45Claudia Oshry:So I'm honestly happy to give privacy here because it's going to be that one of the easiest things I've ever done. I don't give a fuck. Amanda and Wes, not so much. Yeah.

1:00:54Jackie Oshry:I like when people say like, thank you in advance for your privacy. and attention to this matter. And it's like, girl, I didn't agree to that.

1:01:00Claudia Oshry:No, also it's like in this situation, what a waste of words. Like, because that is never going to happen. I just can't believe we're talking about Tiger Woods

1:01:08Jackie Oshry:at a time like this. You know what I mean? It's like he should be so thankful to Skamandeval.

1:01:13Claudia Oshry:Yeah, but he's got his own problems. Oh, also, did you see that people say like he's hooked on pills probably from an injury? And then he. Yeah. Yeah, I see Dope Sick. Yeah, for sure. Like, but they couldn't hire a driver.

1:01:24Jackie Oshry:Right. They couldn't even pay their rent. It's like there's quite literally no excuse His obsession with driving He sounds like you You're obsessed with driving He's like a teenage girl who just got her license And wants to drive everywhere Mom's like I need eggs She's like I'll go

1:01:41Claudia Oshry:That's not me though I'm never like I want to drive That is Ben My husband

1:01:47Jackie Oshry:I think it's also when we're always in a house together He likes to get out I'm like oh my hair is cut and not He's like I'll go get your hairbrush like yeah any excuse to get out of the house yeah we're like cooking and then we need oh this could have used some basil i'll get some yeah he's so great i'm like no we didn't like need it it just would have been a nice garnish you don't have to run out for a garnish ben is so crazy because um he was working yesterday and i get a facetime from him and kaylee dickerson like that's so bad

1:02:16Claudia Oshry:you know classic stuff yeah are you ready for our fourth story hopefully it's about amanda and kyle I just don't want to talk about anything else I agree I genuinely don't want to talk about the other stories So I'm going to bring up I'm going to bring up something about Amanda and Kyle That we haven't spoken about yet okay

1:02:33Jackie Oshry:Yeah I'm just trying to like how can I beat this horse anymore Oh well we didn't talk about the Dave Portnoy of it all Yeah so Dave Portnoy Shared he was like I can't believe people are talking about this I heard about it at the Super Bowl

1:02:45Claudia Oshry:From Chicken Fry This was a column in the This Is True Column unless Dave Portnoy also has A flavor of wings coming out right right that's what was also leading us to believe perhaps this wasn't a elaborate brand yeah because partnership like re posted the tweet breaking the news and was like this is old news chicken fry told me about it at the super bowl the super now was six weeks ago and i do believe

1:03:08Jackie Oshry:that brianna chicken fry is a trusted source in this because she very much runs in that crew with west and like fibula they like all go out she is a friend of west if not like an ex flame i thought they definitely had hooked up which i thought was great like actually i don't know that And then she should have been on the show. Yeah.

1:03:23Claudia Oshry:I don't know.

1:03:23Jackie Oshry:But she did Barstool Beach House. Whatever. And so this, I think, also is leading a lot of people. And I think people are just eager to find more wrongdoings with them. And I think a lot of people want there to have been cheating and just like timeline issues with her divorce. When did she announce her divorce?

1:03:46Claudia Oshry:I don't know.

1:03:48Jackie Oshry:But they had said that they were living apart since October, November. Right. There were rumors around BravoCon and they like refuse to admit it, but we now know that they were true. So let's say, let's give them a grace. November. He said that he found out of the Super Bowl, which is February. I do believe that's enough time for it to have been clean. Definitely crazy, like quick to move on, but happens all the time. January 20th.

1:04:11Claudia Oshry:By the way, Michaela Neguera is dating. January 20th is when they announced the Super Bowl was like two, three weeks later. But yeah, they were so done for so long. Like I don't even, she could have been with someone the next day and I would have understood. Do you know that Michaela Naguera has a boyfriend? Of course she does, because she's a queen who wouldn't want to be around her. Her high school sweetheart. Oh, I love that for her.

1:04:30Jackie Oshry:Yeah, she was talking about it on TikTok. Rooting for her. I think Michaela Naguera might be the thing to get you to download TikTok.

1:04:36Claudia Oshry:Oh, I follow her on IG, but she doesn't post a lot.

1:04:39Jackie Oshry:I'm cracking up. You follow her on Instagram? That's so funny.

1:04:42Claudia Oshry:I did recently, because I'm like, I want to support my faves.

1:04:45Jackie Oshry:Yeah.

1:04:46Claudia Oshry:Also, the thing with Amanda, it's like, girl, you need to heal, no? spend time i don't know what the fuck she needs like so i guess on a recent episode she talked

1:04:56Jackie Oshry:a lot about how she's like really low self-esteem and this is definitely the type of behavior and like self-sabotage that you would expect from somebody with low self-esteem i think anybody who puts up with like the marriage she put up with either has low self-esteem or that caused her to have low self-esteem um but at a certain point like this is one of my like all-time favorite things to say is like i hate when people like act like they have no personal agency over their own life and it's like well this happened and this happened it's like okay yeah also like she just

1:05:23Claudia Oshry:got out of a marriage that was like a long relationship even if you're feeling something for west like why don't you put that on the back why do you have to act on it immediately focus on yourself heal yourself be alone find out things about yourself and then maybe you wouldn't be interested in someone like west because he's the same person you just left but if you're still interested in him then there's some breathing room and you could figure out like the right way to deal with it. What were the other two stories before we wrap? Something about Chloe and Lamar from his documentary.

1:05:53Jackie Oshry:Okay, wait. The documentary, it actually looks really dark to the point where I actually don't know if I want to watch it. It's just really in-depth about his addiction and crazy stories of Kris Jenner picking him up from a crack house. Chloe talking about the smell of crack. Did you see that clip?

1:06:06Claudia Oshry:No. I actually feel like I do want to watch it. I just don't know if I'll get around to it. I feel like we always have questions about this period. He also talks about why. Oh, I think they're being very clear. Yeah, yeah.

1:06:14Jackie Oshry:so it like sort of fills in all the blanks um i i heard chloe tell this story it was so crazy she was like once you've smelled crack like it is the most foul disgusting smell and she's like i walked into my house and i knew that he was smoking crack and i believe this was after his overdose he pretended to be mute she was taking care of him and he just pretended to be a lot worse than he was so he could stay living there and like work on getting drugs and he had a cell phone um it's they're opening up like deeply wow and he also shared like why he married chloe and remember

1:06:50Claudia Oshry:they got married really quickly and engaged really quickly and he said um his friend had said that he was doing it to try to like better his future because like the kardashians know people and have connections he said um i'm watching how she lives in their lifestyle i'm like this is how i want to live he did love chloe but he had wanted to be on reality tv for a long time yikes oh that's really

1:07:09Jackie Oshry:sad and it was his idea to pitch chloe and lamar the tv show it was like he wanted his own show that makes me really sick i know like overall like i respect his honesty and i think that's like a huge part of recovery is like sharing the worst parts of yourself but like i don't think that overwhelmingly this is a good look for him and like no if anything it's crazy how much chloe did for him like with no recognition behind closed doors for years she's an even bigger queen than we

1:07:32Claudia Oshry:already knew but like we knew that she does everything for everyone but like the amount of like love and care that she like to what point while he was her husband and also while he was

1:07:40Jackie Oshry:not yeah damn well i believe he like kind of ruined rob's life yeah i mean he is my birthday

1:07:46Claudia Oshry:buddy but at a certain point like you just sort of have to that sort of has to like take it back like yeah you can't let that cloud your judgment of a person i struggle with it i mean me and jessica simpson yeah it's hard me and sally field but she's sally field i know i understand stan ben was really excited when i told him sally field is my birthday buddy my husband yeah because when he was on the toast i told him they're making his book into a movie whose book ben's book remarkably she's in it and he thought that was him she's playing tova

1:08:19Jackie Oshry:and he was thrilled with the casting news who is ben's birthday buddy oh my god this is so ben Eddie Murphy. He doesn't know that. He's going to freak out. Alec Baldwin and Amanda Bynes. Oh, I love him. And of course, wildlife preservationist Jane Goodall.

1:08:39Claudia Oshry:OK, that's pretty good. I'm going to go look at mine again to see if anybody like, oh, Emma Stone is my birthday buddy, but she wasn't famous when I was growing up.

1:08:48Jackie Oshry:Do you remember Jane Goodall? What?

1:08:51Claudia Oshry:Another birthday buddy of mine. You're going to flip.

1:08:54Jackie Oshry:I feel like hearing people talk about their birthday buddies is like hearing people talk about their dreams. No, no.

1:08:58Claudia Oshry:Like, I'm only sharing relevant ones. Claudia, you're going to flip. Satchel? June Squibb.

1:09:07Jackie Oshry:Wait. Wait. What? Yeah. I just, I wanted to say something, but you weren't like looking at your iPad, so let me know when you're ready. I'm sorry. Arturo Sandoval is my birthday buddy. Who?

1:09:23Claudia Oshry:Arturo Sandoval. Who's that? He's a Cuban jazz trumpeter.

1:09:27Jackie Oshry:oh I thought you were like joking I thought you were being pro um back to Jane Goodall really briefly like a fun fact that I feel like not enough people talk about it's like Jane Goodall went on call her daddy listen I feel like after Alex left Barstool and then like Sophia she was having she like needed to find and I think she's definitely found like her niche and like where she's at but I think she definitely like took a couple of different creative avenues which everyone goes through and one of them was having Jane Goodall on and I think that's sick honestly both Jane Goodall and Colton Underwood.

1:09:57Jackie Oshry:And Huda Mustafa.

1:09:59Claudia Oshry:Yeah. Like the breath? And Satchel Maloney. And here's hoping.

1:10:05Jackie Oshry:And Satchel Maloney. Yeah. All right. Let's get this episode up so everyone can enjoy. All of our Jewish listeners hope you guys have an amazing Passover. Zees and Pesach. Good luck on the carbless journey. Is it also Easter? I believe it's Easter this weekend. Happy Easter. Happy Easter. Chag Sameach love you all thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Melendian Morning Show where we deliver the Fast Five stories you need to know every Monday Friday on YouTube so you're watching us on YouTube please don't forget to subscribe and give us a thumbs up also follow us podcast number podcast you know that we go

1:10:34Claudia Oshry:love you all bye love ya bye