With Love Wednesday: Wednesday, March 5th, 2025

25:11Yeah. I feel like for a while, it was like, Meghan can do no wrong, queen, queen, queen. And now it's like, she's being, I think, overly criticized. And it's like, this show is inoffensive. Like, why is everyone so mad about it? What's so confusing to me is like when she and Harry left the royal family and all, or even when they were in it and then they left and then Katana and everything and then the Oprah interview, like you could not criticize Meghan Markle without being called a racist like you could have no other reason for not liking her you had to be racist like look at Pierce Morgan lost her job Sharon Osbourne lost her job for just saying Pierce is my friend like you couldn't say one bad thing about her even after the Oprah interview you couldn't like question anything that she said American culture was and media was very protective of her so and to me it's like that was of everything that Megan's done like that's the most shocking behavior to me like the leaving the family in such a disrespectful way the interviews were so the documentary was so disrespectful like this queenie who is sick and dying and you're gonna give her the finger and call her a racist and her whole family racist on your way out the door and that's your children's great like that to me was like the the thing that could be criticized but like you couldn't and now she's just living her life as a mom in Montecito like actually trying to live the life that she said that she wanted like a quiet peaceful life with her husband and her garden and chicken and she's also trying to just make a living work like do her job and we're mad about this like i'm not mad this is so i can have criticism about the show because i want it to be better because i like it right because you want to enjoy it but like why is everyone hating on this and why now is it okay to like hate her so passionately and really for nothing nothing when like you couldn't ever say a bad word about her before.

26:50No, I know. Like the clip of her saying that her outfit was high-low because her pants were Zara, her sweater is Laura Piano. I found that, first of all, fascinating. I thought that was the most chic outfit and everybody being like, well, who cooks with a sweater on their neck? Someone who's on TV. Well, she's on a fucking TV show. And by the way, she didn't cook with the sweater on. She put it on when Mindy came over. So like, it's just, I agree completely. So much of the criticism is so unwarranted and so random when there wasn't, like there was a period where like she could do no wrong. so like I really am so curious like what caused that shift in how the media talks about her like that variety um review from like the critic was scathing yeah like really like the person who wrote it hates her no and the fact that like even her pre-show articles in people magazine and it's not in one of the bigger magazines now I'm not someone like who thinks and then that Vanity Fair that piece that kind of went a little bit under the radar but that big sort of expose about them right yeah and the podcast for psychotic men no I went to google last night Megan Markle spaghetti recipe because I hope that she had like put together a website and then it was just articles of people like making fun of her spaghetti for being like stupid I'm like it's spaghetti and tomatoes like that's not news and like that's not offensive it's not it's not doesn't look good to you like it's pasta and fresh vegetables okay maybe it's a little like bland or simple simple it's healthy and it's nice yeah no it's it is really weird uh and so us to like oh now finally i have her back when everybody hates her it's blake lively it's blake lively like everyone no it's really because it does make you really um it makes somebody like sympathetic when they're like there's so no reason that this show is being as criticized as it is like such a darling Like, I guess if this show came out right after they left, everyone would be saying, oh, Megan, this, Megan, that.

28:41I don't, like, think there's, like, one or two people who, like, control the media. No, no. But this makes me feel like there's one person who loved Megan, and now that person has turned on Megan, and the floodgates have opened. That's how it feels. And she, like, accidentally bumped them at a party and didn't say sorry, and now he's, like, enacting his revenge. Like kissed off the person that was protecting her. No, it does feel like there's a switch you flip. A switch. And what, when did it happen? Like what, I, I don't know. It happened after the book, after the documentary. The book was bad.

29:16Yeah, but the book was, it was well received in the sense that like at least he said stuff, you know? Like it made news. Like I appreciated that even though he is my nemesis. Like I seriously can't stand him. And I, when I'm talking about her, I'm never talking about him. Like I hate him. I don't even think the book was so negatively, but it was the first time people were legitimately criticizing them. And then maybe it's like a slippery slope. I don't know. And now here we are saying her pasta is stupid and that her charcuterie board is stolen from Pinterest. Yeah, I do. But I don't mind if she got it from Pinterest.

29:49Just say that. Just be like, I find the cutest stuff on Pinterest. It's so relatable. These are things that I use every day that I found Pinterest. These are things I tried and I didn't like. These are things I want to try. Let's try it together. Just like. So relatable if she had said like, Like, no, doom scrolling on Pinterest while Harry sleeps and watches Duolingo, you know? Yeah. She should open up. By the way, and I know we say this, like, she should open up more. But look what happens when she does. Like, she literally made a TV show. And, like, if I'm her, I'm sharing less now. People are so mean.

30:15I know. But if you don't want to share. And you don't have to always be a person who shares. This isn't the line of work for you. Honestly, she should go back to acting. Because you don't have to share. Yes. Does she share at any point in the future how she makes her jam? Yes. Okay, good. Because like when they were making the jam cake and she's like, yeah, I made this. I thought it would have been great to like cut to a pre-made clip of her jam recipe. Yes. They do show it. And it's just her raspberries because she's like so, I'm so jealous of her garden. Oh my God. She just like has. But the garden that they film at.

30:51It's just the house in Montecito that they film at. That also has a garden. I guess just everyone has. Okay, so it's not her real garden. farm and marnicito with a farm and marnicito perfect backdrop like i feel sick right also i was gonna this came out yesterday her website as ever dropped and you can now see what's for sale so now also keeping that in mind with the show are there recipes on it no but she this is what she's selling and now it makes the whole show feel so phony because you see she's just pushing these products now i know why she puts flower sprinkles on everything because she's selling them i'd never had a flower sprinkle before um honey of course but it's like it's not from your backyard right where's the honey made raspberry spread crepe mix i by the way i would get her raspberry spread well now we just have to for r &d purposes of course ginger tea peppermint tea a hibiscus tea she does spend a lot of time making teas on the show that's boring yeah not my favorite because i like you know a sleepy time lip tin seasonings these offerings at the grocery store are good enough for me crepe mix you know where they sell this all the buckingham palace gift shop i was gonna say ballerina farm oh well that's also similar but two women can do that they're like that's such a this is such a blossoming industry and category that a million not a million but a handful of women can and should do this and I think there's room for everyone uh but the Buckingham Palace gift shop like this is what the website looks like I don't know if anyone's put that well honestly that gift shop is fabulous and people in America don't know about it and don't shop it so if Megan's like idea is to bring that to the states like that's a pargy business idea yeah you know who told me about that well not told me I learned about it from her Instagram Stassi Miss Patricia so classic you are Miss Patricia in the making Claudia the websites look exactly the same Claudia I'm on both websites nobody's put this together yet only me and Miss Patricia could and unfortunately it's true the elk of Patricia can get us here to this conclusion I'm probably not going to watch more and I don't think that's a testament to the show being bad it's just a testament to like I find cooking shows I don't cook no like I I didn't realize until I sat down to watch I was like wait I literally don't want to be watching this like I don't like cooking shows if Megan Markle got a starring role on SVU I wouldn't watch it correct but you know my ass would and if they redid Suits or something she should definitely go back into acting so I feel like that's next I don't know where we're gonna go from here because this is an eight episode show will there be more I don't know how much more does she have to give I feel like I mean Netflix is invested in as ever like I actually think there's more to be done here contractually they need to like rework the format a little bit and pare it down like we don't need all of these distractions she's doing a million things she's starting focaccia then going on a hike with her friend then we're gonna freshen up and shower and then we're gonna make pasta like it's just too much and was the concept that every guest comes in is also staying at her house so like the uh the chef who Daniel was Daniel was staying with her the chef who came was teaching her how to make Korean food and I think we all learned a lot uh then her husband's friend's wife is I guess staying with her she's making her like tea bags to take home and dog biscuits like wait the one thing that I didn't see anybody talking about is I've never seen handwriting like that in my life okay I'm obsessed with her do you think it's fake so I don't think it's unbelievably beautiful like we really never see like more than one pen to paper yeah she also did like the chalkboard and she like starts out and it's like Maybe she started, but someone, I don't know.

34:33I need to see the whole thing. I love her handwriting. Whoever's hand, that handwriting, she should make stationary. Like it's beautiful. But she's so the type that would have amazing handwriting. Yeah. No, I didn't. I actually don't think it was fake. Like it's really on brand for her to have like a Pardy signature. But I've never, it's like, it's perfectly straight too. Without, she's writing like without lines. She's writing on like these little, and it's totally straight. People were clowning on her because she put a bag of peanut butter pretzels into another plastic bag to leave for Daniel because he loves peanut butter.

35:02But then she wanted to label the pretzels as peanut butter. Nut free, yeah. Just, you know, in case anyone has an allergy. But like she knows that he doesn't. But I think that was like her way of giving a tip, you know? It was her way of giving a tip, which she could have just said. And by the way, always good to put in case your guests have allergic to nuts. And two, if my handwriting looked like that, I'd keep writing no matter what. If I knew they had an allergy or not. We're labeling everything. I would have all the walls in my house be like chalkboard or expo marker walls. Yeah. So I would just like whiteboard the shit out of my house.

35:33Yeah. She should teach a calligraphy episode. Yes. Yeah. No, the handwriting, parchy. Parchy. So that's With Love, WLM. It's here. Yeah. And it's kind of making me want to say, leave Megan alone. Yeah. No, there was a time to be upset with her. And like this spaghetti cooked in its own water is not it. Oh, and I love that she put the boiling water from the kettle. Who has time to boil water? Love that. I did that. Love it. It was nice. But I didn't have Swiss chard because I don't have a garden in Montecito. Okay? And what is Swiss chard? Cheese? No, it's a big leaf. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw her.

36:12It's in the lettuce category. Got it, got it. Yeah, I saw. I feel like Montecito must be the best place on earth to live. That's probably why it's so desirable. I'm pretty sure it is like the best place on earth to live. It's, I would say LA's version of the Hamptons. Yeah. Okay. It's like people have their second homes there, but then like when you're really wealthy, you just like live there. Yeah. No, it's really parche. I've got the Montecito itch. Yeah. By the way, you should take a trip. I follow this girl. No, I love you to come back. So I follow this girl. I think you know her too. She's the one who coined the term coastal grandmother.

36:47She like made it up and she like lives the Nancy Meyers lifestyle. I think she like lives in LA somewhere near there but she's always taking trips to like Montecito Santa Barbara and she does these like big trip um itineraries you should follow them she's so you she wears like linen pants like she's so Patricia the Elk of Patricia no she's not Patricia because she doesn't do like crazy wallpapers it's all very muted but it's all very elegant um and she just had a baby too and she's like always making just like cheese boards or whatever and it's very Nancy Meyers like I think that's her aesthetic but she does great itineraries Her name is Lex.

37:21I think you would like her. And if you do ever do a trip, she does like all, there are a lot of pargy places you can visit around LA, like Sonoma. So she's like, here's my Sonoma rec. But she's always going to Santa Barbara and Montecito, which I don't know if those are two different places. They feel like next door neighbors. Yeah, right? Like East Hampton and South Hampton. And now I kind of understand why Megan has made Montecito her entire personality. Like America, like wanting to, because like that is what's inspired her to be this way in this stage of her life. Like just, you know, buying a house with a garden.

37:48Again, can you let us know? And like, they have chickens, right, too? Yeah, that's like their thing. Oprah saw the chickens. She didn't talk about her chickens. And now I finally care. Season two. I didn't care during Oprah. Season two. Or maybe it's the back half of the season. I could see Meghan not eating meat. Let me say this. It was enjoyable to just watch a beautiful woman. Like, she is really exceptional looking. Yeah. Also, she drinks more alcohol than I would have thought. Love. Queen. And like she made a little joke. Sorry not queen. Duchess. She made a little joke that like everyone in Montecito does.

38:25Oh honey you made a little joke. Yeah that's Mindy. Oh that everyone in Montecito drinks a lot. Because Mindy Kaling was like wow I've not had a drink this early in so long she's like welcome to Montecito. Oh that's so classic. No like the takeaway here obsessive Mindy Kaling like more than I ever thought I could be. Yeah you should watch that episode. I actually will. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? some other major news in the tv category jacks taylor reveals cocaine addiction as he celebrates more than 80 days of sobriety so jacks taylor has revealed his addiction to cocaine while celebrating sobriety he said this is he went on bravo's hot mic podcast and said quote this is tough to say i'm an addict i have substance issues primarily with cocaine oh that's hard to say out loud i've been dealing with this for i think the last on and off since i was 23 i'm 45 now he said there was times where I would stop doing it and there was times where I'd go heavy on it.

39:19I think a lot of people who watch Vanderpump Rules over the years could tell that I was kind of on something. Yeah. He insisted showrunners didn't know what he was doing behind closed doors. He said that he was on the train, that he was on that train and he couldn't get off. He made sure to note, quote, I don't necessarily think I have an alcohol problem, but the two go hand in hand. I can't do cocaine without drinking, so I just gave up both and I'm proud to say I'm 83 days sober right now. He says this is the longest he's gone without anything since he was 21. He says it feels really, really good, but I just want to let people know that this is a really, really tough disease and a really tough sickness.

39:51I've been doing it for so long, he shared. He said that he's been hiding it or lying about it forever. He went to rehab twice. The first time went well, but then he came home and had another outburst. And now after the second time, he is this long sober. Now, probably one of my major flaws is that I'm a Jax Taylor apologist. So you're going to hear some of my Jax Taylor apologist energy come through. I've seen people be like really not sympathetic. Be like, the sky is also blue. Like Jax does cocaine and like, duh. And yes, if you've been watching the show, monitoring his behavior, like it was clear there were moments where they were doing drugs.

40:29At least for me, I didn't think of it so much as an addiction. I was just like, they're young Hollywood kids and they're doing drugs. And you know, a lot of them have spoken about how in the very beginning, they were like doing a lot of Adderall. Like, I don't know. I didn't think of it as like a real issue, but it did seem like everybody sort of grew out of that behavior, started having kids. Like you have that party era of your life. And it felt like Jax like didn't give up on it like others did. And that was maybe part of the reason why him and Brittany broke up. So I have sympathy for him.

40:57I think people don't. They just like see him as this villain and they don't care. But 83 days is huge. Yeah. I have sympathy for him as well. I agree. like this is this shouldn't be shocking but it is kind of surprising I would have thought like even maybe even in his 40s like he would go out with the boys maybe do some coke as people do right but not that it was like affecting his life it's the reason for his divorce it's the reason for his marital issues it's the reason you know for a lot of different things going wrong in his life I didn't see that and I thought a lot of the things that he did on both shows the valley and Vanderpump Rules a lot of the crazy things that he did were just because he's a crazy man like and he's also a TV star and he's a professional villain and I really didn't think it was much deeper than that that's a really good point and did you see Britney's statement on her Instagram stories I think people she was probably getting a lot of reception being like well look he's changing she's like listen I've been on this roller coaster this is not you know new to me it's too late for her yeah and I agree I don't even think like let's say he turned his whole life around and he became this like amazing guy dad I don't think these two should get back together ever yeah and it's it's too late for her she like I feel like it probably took her so long to get to the place of leaving him and she probably knew about most of this when they were together but forgave him or gave him chances or lived with it so to finally like get to the other side and be like I can't live like this there's really no going back agreed because in order to get to that place like you have to put up with so much shit yeah and it's just a total mentality shift and now that she's free and they're divorced and she probably has a lot of custody of their child like she's happy and it's too little it's not even too little because it's what he needs to do but it's just too late for them agreed I don't ship no me neither but I I wish him the best and I I hope that like brighter days are ahead and that he stays the path same are you ready for our next story another reality tv star making news Gabby Wendy is a married woman I saw this to my doppelganger yep the bachelorette star secretly marries robbie hoffman claudia's doppelganger and former good guys guest in a 799 las vegas wedding so gabby and robbie are forever she is now a married woman after wedding her writer and comedian girlfriend in a secret ceremony held in january so gabby is 34 robbie is 35 to me like that just makes this more serious January so they're only now sharing that they're married yeah that's cute I like that and now they've been married like almost two months and she's having a real moment Gabby Wendy she is she's popping off her on social media they love her on the traders I think for a lot of people because she was on like a relatively unpopular season of The Bachelor like it was post Bachelor fame so she's from The Bachelor yeah but I feel like most people know her like from social media and now The Traders like nobody knows her I've seen her podcast clips like for a while now because she's been doing her podcast for a while I see her clips once in a while I think I sent you one one months ago not to like make it about me and I was like this girl is so funny and I'm so glad that she's like getting her flowers and now I'd be curious to like see clips of her from The Bachelor did she bring this energy to The Bachelor I don't think so I think she was just like a regular contestant you know yeah and then once she like got off the show I think started to show her personality more and I think that people were really receptive to it on her podcast so it only encouraged her even more to like lean into her kind of weird or quirkier side and people love it and I agree I love the moment that she's having just like for truly being herself because she's kind of weird like yeah and I love that you know at the height of her fame what does she decide to do marry her girlfriend who loved her before everybody else did you know I just I love the story and you're right them being 35 like they'll be together forever yeah it's not just like two crazy kids got married in Vegas and you know it's not real I I think that this is very real and um I'm happy for both of them mazel tov and I think they've been dating now for like two years so it's a legit thing yeah yeah so I'm happy for her I really like her she's very funny yeah she is um part of me wants to watch traders but I don't know if I I already watched tv all day yesterday I don't know if I could do it again two days in a row two days oh my gosh my brain will rot I would tune in just to see Robin Dixon.

45:18I told you about that viral tweet, right? No. Oh my God, yes I did. I'm like having deja vu. Whatever, when they announced the Traders cast like months ago, people who watch Traders who don't watch Bravo, like you don't know who half the people are saying like we watch Bravo, but I don't know who any of these Survivor castmates are. So one of the people who watches like Big Brother and Survivor was like doing tweets about all the different castmates and they put up a picture of Robin Dixon. They were like, I don't know who this woman is, but I just know she's like gonna be the most slay traitorous.

45:45Oh my God. Yeah, you told me this. And people were like, sir, there was a traitor laying in her bed for 10 years and she didn't know. Like, she's not going to sniff out anyone. It was really funny. So I would love to know how Robin fared on traitors. That's why I would tune in. That's really funny. Yeah, for the Robin Dixon of it all. Are you ready for our next story? Another reality TV star is making news. Do I have a minute to let you know that the reality star that's making news is brought to you by Carraway? You do. So this reality TV star who's making news would love Carraway. And Carraway is famous, just like us, for their iconic cookware set.

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50:52and Peacock I have a new show premiering June 5th and they're going to follow me on my very first let's be honest podcast tour I have lots of friends coming out we're going to pull back the curtain on the headlines and talk about what's really going on so I'm excited to be back on tv and I can't wait to see you guys June 5th I also feel on tv on tv I feel like Kristen already shares a lot on her podcast and like gives us actual tea and yes because this is going to be shared like this is a big deal I feel like she's gonna give us even more no this is like really it kind of I kind of want to give it like a toasty lions award it's really firing on all cylinders I want to give it a toasty lions award because it brings her back to reality tv which people loved it's a great win for e because they can't seem to get anything right um it's huge for podcasting it's just it's really brilliant yes yes are you adding it to the toasty lines i am adding it uh she's also just like made for tv this is her first fourth time on reality yeah and she's the common denominator like she's had multiple successful reality TV shows.

51:50Like, it's her. Yeah, like, she needs a cooking show with Love Kristen. No, actually, she doesn't. Why? She's a chef. Because, yeah, but she's also, like, a shit-stirring, like, personality hire. Like, she doesn't need to be in the kitchen. Like, she could be doing that while out having cocktails with Justin. No, but. That's more interesting. But she could do the shit-talking personality while cooking because you're. Not everything needs to be a cooking show, Jackie. No, but we were just saying, like, what Megan lacks and why she might not be the greatest at this because you say she looks down she can't hold she can't talk yes Kristen is and don't forget that Kristen has multiple award-winning cookbooks don't forget yes but I just think Kristen's like the best version of a Kristen show is not her in the kitchen but I'm sure it would be good I think everything she's like she's just she does yeah she she's got the star quality she does so I think that this will be very good I also love to see like I love podcast content I think I didn't even think about us.

52:43But this is great for the industry. Selfishly, I find like what other people with podcasts do and how they work and travel. Like I find that really interesting. 1000 % I want to see what hotel she stays at. I want to see, does she fly private? What size venues is she selling out? What is the context of the show? You know, we just spent like the last year putting together a live show. It's very hard. And I haven't been to a lot of other people's live shows. So I don't know what goes on there. So I'm looking forward to finding out some industry secrets. Yeah. No, like 10 out of 10. Yeah. Our fifth and final story, some new couple news for anyone who cares.

53:19I don't know how many people are going to care about this. Okay, let's see. Raise your hand if you care. Madeline Petsch and Tyga. And Tyga. I care a little. I care a little. Because it's so weird. And I was once like a big fan of Riverdale and a big fan of hers. And Kylie and Tyga. And Kylie and Tyga. But Tyga doesn't make news on his own, you know? No, Kyla, Kyla. Tyga is kind of like a Nepo boyfriend. He is always like punching above his, what's the phrase? Weight class? Like, he's always like dating better looking, more successful, more famous women than him. And they bring him up. He very much subscribes to the ideology of rising tides, rise all shides.

54:01Yes. He dated Kylie, he dated Avril Lavigne. He dated Avril Lavigne? No. Yeah. No. Yeah. Black China of course well of course but that's not really who I was referring to Tyga dated yeah Avril Lavigne oh wow I knew I wasn't just making that up that's just weird because of Brody so they dated oh my god totally I think we probably put that together March April May June for four months in 2023 good times he also dated Cameron Swanson I don't know her an influencer and fashion designer aren't we all so Bella Porch Bella Porch Oh, the. Tiger dated Bella Porch, the TikTok girl. Why is that so surprising?

54:43I just, I feel like I would have known about that. Oh. And it says that he was 30 and she was 19. Oh, yucky. Yucky. Oh, Tammy Hembro, classic. Iggy Azalea, Kylie Jenner. So let me tell you, he does quite well for himself. Yeah, he does. And this is also great news for him. Sources confirm to TMZ that he is dating. Jackie. guess who he dated for a year in 2007 i don't know what cheetah girls cheetah sisters from 3lw killie williams but not adrian no no that would have been that would have been so crazy cute no he has good taste i know am i crazy like how does he keep pulling these women he's like not that cute in my opinion personality or trust fund he must have a great personality yeah yeah like pete davidson oh i guess like he is kind of a pete davidson but pete davidson is really successful in his job and that makes you more attractive like when you're at the top of the game in whatever field it is that you do i mean i think maybe at a time tyga was rock rock city bitch rock rock city bitch like i think i for a point he was i don't know if he's currently like still the hit maker he once was.

56:01Yeah. So I think it's just his great personality. Maybe he's like a really great boyfriend, you know? Maybe he's like hysterical or something. No, and maybe he just like has a lot of love to give and you feel great when you're around Tyga and you feel like the best version of yourself. So I forgot. Who's he dating? Madeline Petsch. From Riverdale. That's really random. I thought she was dating that guy like forever. I thought they never broke up. They broke up a long time ago but they were dating forever. Travis Mills. Travis Mills. T. Mills. She's also like dated other people. Her dating history is weird too.

56:31And there's one person that she dated that I feel like she wants us to forget about. I'll let you know. Oh, we forget nothing. She don't know. Elephants never forget. Yeah. I just don't want to. I think I know who it is, but I don't want to. You don't want to speak out of turn. There's like two people that I conflate. But I do think it was Aaron Carter. But hold on. Oh, my God. Really? Madeline Pitch dating history. Thank you. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, Aaron Carter. I never heard of that. Aaron Carter. 2014. Miles Chamley Watson and Anthony Lee. Oh, yeah, there's literally a picture of them on a red carpet.

57:08I'm dying. She looks like so Cheryl Blossom in the photo because it's from 2014. She's so Cheryl Blossom. She's so random. She is. And this couple's really random. But, like, they have my blessing. They have my blessing. It works. Yeah. I hope that, like, this is it for them. Yeah. And they're like, you know, she's your doppelganger. So they're kind of like you and Zach Coden. They are. I used to like really feel, she used to be one of my faves. Yeah. But people change. Like, I mean, just, you know. Like, Riverdale stops being good. Yeah. But that first season of Riverdale, like, if you were alive to experience it, you remember.

57:48The tectonic plates of the universe shifted in that moment. Like, we were all watching this one show on the CW. And it was probably one of the best singular seasons of television in the last 20 years. Oh, for sure. Like, I forget what the big twist was at the end. But it was something about Cheryl and Jason Blossom. Like, when you figured out, like, what it was, like, who killed Jason or whatever. Not that we remember. No, I don't. But I remember being like, that's one of the greatest twists I've ever seen. You know what I think it was? Spoiler alert. They thought it was the dad, but the dad actually secretly had a brother.

58:23So it was, like, the uncle. no that was like much later on when the show got stupid yet the dad had like an evil twin doesn't everyone but at least like that kind of works because Cheryl and Jason were twins so like twins ran in the family and ran in clearly yeah yeah um let's do tv recap Real Hospice in Beverly Hills was probably one of the most pointless episodes of television I've watched like I don't even if it weren't for Kathy accidentally walking on the runway like I would have nothing to say if it weren't for Kathy period like her being in the doctor's office with Kyle being like let's find out who she is I can make one call and find out who took those pictures and who who's set it up and and Kyle's clearly trying to like shut down the conversation it was so weird the way that Kyle is reacting to everything is why I have a hard time understanding her and like giving her the same like grace that I would give Dory you know like Dory doesn't need grace because everything she does is right but like you know I could give someone a pass when they're going through a hard time but the fact that Kyle like will not give us any motion and let me ask you something Kyle and I think people have tried to ask Kyle this question.

59:22If you had your druthers, do you want to stay married? Oh, we don't know. I thought you were going to say. That's crazy that we don't know. We don't know. Like, yeah, she's so confusing. I thought what you were going to say is like, you don't want to talk about this. You don't want anyone to question your marriage. But we all last season had to deal with you doing the music video, you bringing Morgan around, Morgan's on camera, Morgan's at the party, Morgan's here, Morgan's there. And now we can't talk about any of that. Like, I'm so confused. No, and I think they say it in next week's episode, but it's like okay we can talk about Mauricio and the girl in the picture that's kosher but we can't we still can't talk about Morgan so it's like Kyle is still actively hanging out with Morgan Kyle is like picking and choosing like what can be said on the show when it's all part of one storyline and even at the doctor's office like Kathy said something and you see Kyle be like no and like it's like looking at the camera like oh and it's like it's it's a the can of worms is open now I am also just like really losing interest like I don't care anymore when they got divorced I thought it was really crazy i'm like oh i wonder what happened and then the morgan thing i'm like okay this is getting like interesting i officially like don't care even when i saw the pictures of mauricio they wanted us to be like i literally didn't care no and i know and to be honest i don't even think it was staged i think like i think it's mykonos in the summer there was definitely like some bravo gay in the airport being like that's mauricio and took a picture like it's not that deep that's what i thought too but i feel like they we have to look at the actually we should do this look at the credit of the picture who like is it uh probably tmz No, the photography agency.

1:00:51Like, I feel like that's why they know it's paparazzi per se. But I feel like if anybody called the paparazzi, it would be the girl. But no, it appeared to have been like a homemade video. And then like a TMZ or somebody buys it and then they get the photo credit for it. Hold on. Not like Splash, you know? Or then the person who took it sells it to Splash. photo coleman rayner okay who's that google because i feel like they are more paparazzi literate than we are it's a news and picture agency so somebody sold it to them that's the them okay or yes one of their photographers happened to be at the airport i don't i don't think so happened to be i think the girl i don't think mauricio called paparazzi i think the girl or her friend was like looking for a moment and called the paparazzi i know we're supposed to think that Mauricio is like a dirt bag because he's like kissing on some younger girl uh on vacation but then you need to put in the context of like his wife is kissing other another woman for a year publicly in a music video bringing her on the show like kind of dangling this in front of everyone like her behavior in terms of moving on and and disrespecting her husband she has no leg to stand on and that's why she's not visibly angry because she knows she can't be but she might feel that way just like because she does i feel like not enough people are talking about that like this is in response to all of that this isn't the first move no mauricio's done nothing wrong yeah and now seeing where things are and i feel like he's probably really happy in his new life and with the young girls like i don't think they're getting back together no i don't even know if i want them to wants him like it's not like she's asking him to come home she yeah she's just like asking everyone to stop.

1:02:36Stop what? Yeah, but if she was like, please, Marisa, like I love you, we have a family, I'm like, okay, so we both went and had our fun, but like we can be together and grow a world together. But she's not even saying that. Now, another take I had on the episode was that I loved, you know, all the women getting together at this event, but like throwing fashion shows is just... So OC season one. Thank you. It's like the lowest bar of Real Housewives entertainment. And I think as far as they go, like Sutton's was really nice. You know, they had like a full red carpet, but like I, I can't watch that.

1:03:05Like I really can't. It's hard to watch. It is. And Kathy made it bearable when she like literally walked to the back because she obviously thought this was like some low budget loser ass production being like, would you like to have Dorit MC? And then walking back out and not realizing the show started and not realizing that she was on the runway because the runway was like this small slab of concrete because it was a pool. So I actually understood Kathy's confusion. Oh, I thought that Kathy, like she's got hurt. And so I feel like she must be on some pain meds that like had her a little loopy.

1:03:33Oh, that was funny. Because her going to Sutton backstage before the show starts, do you want Dorit to MC? Is like the craziest thing that's ever happened. And it's not like Dorit even knew that Kathy was saying that. I think she was a little loopy from the meds. That's actually a good point. When she's leaving, like the backstage, and she's like limping. Like, that was really funny. When the lights go down and the show's about to start, and it's Kathy wandering out. Hysterical. Oh, and we did finally get, not even finally, because we were saying a couple of weeks ago, we hope we see the final result of Erica's house.

1:04:08And we did. And I have to say, I thought it looked so good except that hallway. I felt lighter and brighter. That hallway, like when she leads to the bedroom and then they look at that blue. The black bottom white top. What the hell? Yeah, that was terrible. Okay, yeah. Like I was shocked. It was like somebody designed the whole house and then somebody else designed that hallway. Like I thought it was so random and weird. Yeah, I guess I wouldn't have done black, but like this is Erica's home. home and I just I could feel the energy emanating and when Erica said I know for some people like a home renovation like is not news or anything but like for me it's a complete change in my life like I felt like this is one of my the greatest storylines we've ever gotten from a housewife is Erica's home renovation I love it every minute of it and I I think her mom is so beautiful like I just I I loved she she oddly had like I guess like the most uninteresting storyline that episode but because it's like your mom comes to visit and you're redecorating your house to me that's like the lowest bar of housewives entertainment it just goes to show it depends on it's erica the person and like it's just so real like we just spent three episodes at sutton's childhood home and like i could not have cared less about her and her mother right but this was really beautiful yeah i'm just like so proud of erica i really don't think i mean and they all have been through a lot but what she's been through in the last three years next level next level so nobody's even come close I'm really really happy for her me too and it's a joy to watch but other than that it was a relatively non-starter episode save the fashion show as well she's funny yeah she is every time she talks I like her even more yeah I love that she like says stuff that you would think would come off badly but then she just says it in such a sweet endearing way it's like because she's not worried about what people think of her because she doesn't No, she's very real.

1:05:53She has like more money than she'll ever need. And it just comes in the mailbox from her ex-husband. Like you can't cancel her. Like the checks still come. So she just like shares whatever. And even if it's not like the most PC thing and it's just like it plays well because it's funny and real. Agreed. I really I enjoy her a lot. Yeah. Now, the other thing I watched was the Ruby Frankie documentary. Now, I explained a little bit at the top of the episode, but I just want to tell you like what my takeaways were. And like I have to tell you about this husband. Okay. Okay. Because basically the first two episodes are just like she has six kids and the older two are on the documentary in addition to the dad.

1:06:30The younger two, the younger four actually, are nameless, faceless. They do a really good job of protecting because their custody battle is still actively ongoing. Who do they live with? And is Ruby Frank in jail? Ruby Frank and her business partner, Jodi, who both were the abusers, are both serving up to 30 years in prison. Okay, so how is there like a custody thing? So basically what happens is they take you through this journey. She was a mommy vlogger for a really long time, at first making a lot of money. And then the big scandal happens where she says, my son's been sleeping on a beanbag for seven months.

1:07:02And she kind of loses a lot of her revenue, a lot of her viewership. Things turn really dark. And so they then become a different type of channel. They turn their name from eight passengers, which is like family van, to moms of truth. And it gets dark. She meets this woman, Jodi, who does like religious conventions and therapy. And she's like a psychologist who lost her license. And this woman, Jodi, like infiltrates the family. She eventually moves in with the family. And she's brought into work with the older son, Chad, who's having a lot of behavioral issues. He got expelled. And she ends up like really indoctrinating the members of the family into like some sort of cult.

1:07:38Connections is like her company name. And she holds these like seminars. And they're all really buying it, especially the mom. so much so that like the mom and Jodi get really close and they say that they the oldest daughter was like I believe that they were sleeping together Jodi used to sleep I mean uh Ruby used to sleep in the business partner's bed every night the mom used to sleep in the business partner's bed um because she would have these like ex religious exorcisms you know like and then they very Jodi very slowly got Ruby to like to leave her husband so the husband's in the documentary and the abuse that she's gone to prison for occurs over the period of 10 months at the very end of this whole saga.

1:08:17And it's to the two youngest kids. And the husband's not in the picture, not married. And the husband is not in the picture. So basically, right before this crazy abuse starts, Jodi has really infiltrated the mom. And the mom says to the husband, you know, for the sake of our marriage, and they're very religious Mormons. So getting divorced is like not really an option, but she's clearly as a lesbian lover and they have plans and they need the dad out of the house. So she says, dad, Kevin, whatever the husband's name is, for the sake of our marriage, we need a separation. You need to move out.

1:08:44you need to go completely no contact with me and all the kids. So this guy sees this freak move into his house. Things are getting really weird. The mom's acting crazy. And now he's being told to leave. Now a dad with even the smallest intuition would say, fuck no, right? There's something weird going on in this house. I'm not leaving. What does this man do? He leaves. He gets an apartment. He blocks all of his children's phone numbers because some of the older kids are like starting to see that this is weird and like going to their dad for help. And he literally will not respond to them. Okay.

1:09:17And for like 10 months, he lives in this apartment, just like doing what Ruby said, which was not talking to anyone. He's like a hermit. And during those 10 months, she has four kids left. Kids three and four go to like live with a friend and kids five and six live with the mom, Ruby, Jodi, the crazy religious psychologist friend at her house four hours away in this like really deserted part of Utah. And what goes on in those 10 months is like some of the most horrific shit you can ever imagine. And they only know because the little boy escapes and they have the ring footage. It's, it's actually so heartbreaking.

1:09:55He walks up and you could see he's emaciated. Like you can see only bones. He walks up to the house, rings the doorbell. nobody answers he's at the neighbor's house nobody answers and he walks away and thank god somebody he was like an older guy he took a while to get to the door he's like what's up and the guy's like the kid's like can you do me a favor and the old man's like well it depends what it is he was like will you take me to the police station and then the old man comes out of the house and he sees this kid weighs seriously five pounds he has duct tape on his ankles and wrists his ankles and wrists are also like bleeding and he sits him down him and his wife like give him a snack and pretzels and water and they call the police and they have the the phone call to the police and the guy's like this kid just showed up at my house and oh my god this old man starts crying on the phone like just based on what he's seeing like it was so upsetting he was like this kid's emaciated so the police then go to Jodi's house they knock down the door they got to find the other two kids they don't realize the other two kids have been sent to live with a friend okay but there's other one kid their other daughter yes and this house is huge and she's got like this huge basement with a safe room and it's really fucking weird so they find the other daughter she's like shaking sitting in a dark closet her head has been shaved she's emaciated she has you know a rope burn all around her ankles and her wrists like the same exact thing and they they can't find the other two kids but there's this like big safe in the basement like it's a vault door and Ruby's like I don't know the code sorry and the police officer just guests one two three four five six and it opens okay and I thought the other two kids were going to be in there and I was so glad that they weren't but it was clearly like their torture chamber there was like these Tupperwares full of cayenne and water that like they would throw on the kids wounds like really fucking evil shit how old were the two young kids uh i believe they were like 10 and 11 or 12 and 13 yeah 12 to 13 so all of this the kids get taken to the police ruby they're looking for ruby jody gets arrested and they call the dad oh actually no i'm sorry ruby calls the dad and is like well you want me back here's your chance go pick up our kids at the police station bring them back so this idiot is like following orders goes to the police station the police are like do you know what's been going on with your kids he's like no i haven't seen them in 11 months the police is like you haven't seen your kids in 11 months he's like yeah no we're separated and he's like well your kid go and went and rang the neighbor's doorbell he's emaciated and this guy who's been so dumb the whole documentary you want to punch him in the face but he's like uh he's a smart guy he has a job i think he like he went to college got a phd what's emaciated mean like real fucking moron and it's he still does not believe anything he's like well they they hate us because we're we're we're different and we're moral and religious he ends up like seeing the light at way past the 11th hour and you just want to fucking slap him because he should be in jail too like he he knew what was going on in that house and he like left um but now i was like the only thing the documentary didn't tell us is like what happened to the kids where do they live because the mom and jody both went to prison the dad is free but who is taking care of those two kids who actually there's four kids left but especially the younger ones so it's all in family court and it's all like sealed records yeah um but a report is that the dad is filing for custody like seriously i don't know what a better alternative is but but please if those kids end up with that idiotic dad i'll die yeah he was you wanted to shake the screen and i know the whole documentary is about ruby and she's really fucking evil yeah but that's like known it's always yeah that's what's frustrating is when there's like people who haven't been brought to justice oh my god him like so and so the oldest daughter is like an advocate now for she's trying to bring that california law to utah she wrote a book that was really well received the house of my mother um and the older kids didn't even really experience that abuse because it was really like that 10 but she was like a like I said, abusive light mother up until that point with the crazy.

1:14:01And it was all started from the family channel. And she just had negative experiences from being on a family channel. Because they liked it at first. They were making a lot of money and especially the kid. He became really popular with girls. But it very quickly turned really dark before it even got abusive. It's just no way to live. A camera in your face every fucking second. You can't enjoy anything. Kids go through things, embarrassing things. all of it splayed out on the internet like really it really that wasn't the point of the documentary because obviously the abuse like took over but it's such a conversation worth having like it really made me see and I think a lot of people come to family channels I think Ruby did fairly innocently yeah and I I also think like not everyone who shares their family life like has a family channel do you know what I mean yeah I don't follow any family channels right where like each kid is a character right and it's like that's their whole shtick like a lot of Jackie they got paid$10 when they were in a video.

1:14:58She was making at one point$100 ,000 a month from YouTube. Oh my God. Yeah. Evil. And her ugly face, every time she was smiling with that big gummy smile, I wanted to fucking smack her. She's really evil and I love that the courts did their thing, you know? Yeah. Okay, well I feel sick. Thanks. Yeah, no, I wouldn't recommend you watch it. And it was a good documentary though and I'm glad that I watched it because there was like she was being spoken about so much online and I knew very little. Yeah, you can't, it's just something you could jump into, especially when it's someone that you didn't know before this all happened.

1:15:27Like there's a lot of history. She started vlogging in like 2000. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Really crazy stuff. Well, that's your TV recap. Your pit of the day. And that's our show, you guys. Make sure to come back tomorrow. We've got summer house recap. Summer. Summer. Summer. Are you sure? Wednesday? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. We got like a full week of content these days. I know. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast. I'm going to share. We deliver the fast stories you need to every Monday, Friday, on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe. We give this video a thumbs up.

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