You Could Always Be Fatter: Wednesday, May 14th, 2025

14 May 2025 · 59 min

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The Toast - Episode Summary: You Could Always Be Fatter (May 14, 2025)

Podcast Overview Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry Frequency: Weekdays Focus: Light-hearted commentary on current events, pop culture, and personal anecdotes.

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Episode Highlights

  1. Merch Launch Celebration
  2. The hosts celebrate a new merch launch, highlighting the popularity of a "butter yellow" clothing line.
  3. Discussion about the timelessness of the color and the importance of comfort in fashion.
  4. Personal anecdotes about body changes and the versatility of their t-shirts for different body types.
  1. Pop Culture News
  2. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit 2025 Covers:
  3. Discussion on the reveal of the four cover models: Salma Hayek, Lauren Chan, Olivia Dunn, and Jordan Childs.
  4. Criticism of the decision to have multiple covers, with a call for a singular focused cover.
  5. Commentary on the inclusivity, diversity, and the departure from traditional model representation.
  • Mauricio Umansky's PDA:
  • Coverage of Mauricio Umansky's public display of affection with a mystery woman.
  • Concerns expressed about implications for his family, given that he is a father.
  • Zendaya's Gesture:
  • Zendaya sends flowers to Anna Sawai after both wore similar outfits to the Met Gala.
  • Discussion on societal pressures and competition among women in fashion.
  • Shia LaBeouf Praising Timothée Chalamet:
  • Shia LaBeouf's comments on Timothée Chalamet's acting skills and their amicable relationship.
  • Light-hearted exploration of their similarities and public personas.
  • Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) Casting News:
  • Andy Cohen's comments on the ongoing casting process for RHONY amidst rumors of cancellation.
  • Discussion of potential new cast members and the need for a shake-up due to declining ratings.
  1. Recap of "The Valley"
  2. A brief recap of "The Valley," with commentary on the episode's lack of engaging content.
  3. Personal insights shared by Jackie about her experience with motherhood and the challenges of parenting during the filming.
  1. Closing Thoughts
  2. Hosts reflect on various personal experiences and the relatability of their discussions.
  3. Encouragement for listeners to embrace their bodies and support one another, especially during difficult times.

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Key Takeaways

  • Fashion Inclusivity: The episode's discussions highlight ongoing debates around inclusivity in fashion and the impact of representation.
  • Celebrity Gossip: The hosts maintain a humorous and light-hearted view on celebrity relationships and public appearances.
  • Reality TV Commentary: Insightful critiques of reality TV dynamics, specifically how personal relationships are portrayed.

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Final Notes

  • Merch Links: Listeners are encouraged to check out the new merchandise.
  • Social Media: Engagement with the audience is encouraged through social media platforms, including Instagram and Patreon.
  • Upcoming Episodes: Teasers for future episodes hint at more celebrity news and personal anecdotes.

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0:20I sound amazing. welcome back to the shows and happy wednesday that doesn't feel right feels like we've accomplished so much we've done so much why isn't it at least thursday i don't know feels wrong wrong except it is a day de la celebración because we're having a big merch launch and everybody got what they wanted and all the items are for sale jackie and i are wearing you know they say butter yellow is the color of the season have you seen them saying that i have seen them saying that for for me it's a color that i love every season sometimes like i'll recognize there's a color that i'm liking more because everybody's wearing it and i would have never went for it before but I love yellow all the time okay so I'm just trying to make like a marketing statement so did you hear that butter yellow but I'm just trying to say that it's not limited to this time it's a timeless piece because it's a beautiful color but did you hear that butter yellow is the color of the season Jackie and I are extremely on trend as designers as manufacturers and obviously as business women we knew butter yellow was gonna be the color of the season so we launched a butter crew neck set it also comes with shorts head to shoptoesmerch.com Everybody's having so much fun.

1:21We've got hats. We've got phone cases. We've got totes. We've got crew necks. We've got the t-shirts. The t-shirts. The three oversized t-shirts that have sold out, but everything that's sold out is available for pre-order. And then it just goes back to the days of your, where it takes like about six to eight weeks for you to get it. But if you want it, get it. Because who knows? Like the run on these t-shirts, my friends, like definitely you will get your t-shirt before we launch another set of t-shirts, right? Let me tell you something about these t-shirts. I would die without these t-shirts.

1:49Like if you're going through any sort of physical body changes, like I cannot recommend just having at least one t-shirt on standby. I actually placed an order from our own merch shop before the shirts went live because I needed three more. Um, they have so buoyed me throughout this entire pregnancy. And I know they'll be booing me all summer, like with my sexy postpartum body, get yourself a shirt. Whether you're having a baby, you're just like struggling with your body, get a shirt. No, but even last summer when we launched the shirt and we were being skinny, I loved the shirt when I was skinny.

2:16So that's what I posted on my Instagram this morning. Cause I posted, I styled it like so cute I would never wear the shirt like that now and I'm like not me being so snatched in the same t-shirt that I wore two weeks ago on the toast looking cute as a moose you know sisterhood of the traveling t-shirt these t-shirts are genuine magic and like you could just wear it differently a little bike or short we wore them all summer and we were so skinny yeah we were skinny we're gonna wear them this summer and we're gonna be less skinny that's a good way of putting it I like that less skinny than we were but which of course we will be because we were so skinny how could you be so skinny and you know what we were so skinny and we spent the whole summer we're talking about how fat we were well yeah like we we came into the house I feel like we're on like jersey short yeah we came into the house and we were so skinny together because we were both really working on our goals and we had the beacon right before so we were like being really good yeah and then I think you know summer togetherness did its thing and so we just assumed like I think yes technically we're probably gaining a little bit of weight but we just like thought it was so much more than it was and I think by August like we thought we were big fat slabs and spoiler alert we were still really so gorgeous we were so beautiful and it's tough because we now spend like almost every summer together and the summer starts off July 4th Olivia's birthday Claudia's birthday it's like 10 days of just like we have to eat yeah cake literally so I know that's what I was actually thinking this morning I was looking for this video I wanted to make like a transition video so I was looking for the before so I had to scroll through all my videos and I was like not me thinking like in the beginning of this pregnancy I was such a moose I couldn't have been cuter like I was so cute my face really didn't change it did change recently I've acknowledged that but like it was and you couldn't tell me shit I feel like there was someone who was trying to tell you that.

3:43Yeah, Ben was really, no kidding. I feel like there was someone, roll the tapes. Yeah. There was someone who's trying to say like, you look beautiful. No, you couldn't tell me shit. And like, I never, I didn't say like, it will get worse. Cause I didn't, like, you couldn't tell you that. Right. But like. And I knew. But it's always a good reminder for anyone, whether you're going through this season of your life or you just like think you're fat, like you're not as fat as you think you are. And you could always be fatter. That is so true. It's an internal lesson. thousand percent that's really I have chills like you'll never be younger than you are right now you think you look old you're getting older just wait you're gonna you look super young okay I'm older well we have a great show today the stories are really good I did watch the valley and Jackie didn't and I literally called her and I'm like I watched the episode I'm like Jackie you don't have to watch it like I know you're busy with the kids like seriously it was the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen in my life um I will do like a brief recap just to tell you how dumb everyone was being I want you to recap it for me I'll still try and watch at some point but right now my schedule is not conducive to any I have no mean time these days because Harry's sleeping in the bed with us so we go to sleep together and you know what it's actually been good for mom because I'm going to sleep so early I used to before I was pregnant if you ever slept in my bed like I would lay with him until he fell asleep and then I would go out to the living room on TV but I lay with him until he falls asleep and I fall asleep too and like I'm going to sleep at 8 45 and that's good no that's good and we're not complaining and seriously the valley like was so not worth you but like missing out on those hours tomorrow is summer house and I'm gonna work harder to carve out an hour.

5:04Yeah, Summer House, I do believe, is worth the carving. The Valley, like some episodes are really good and some are not. And last night was like actually really dark. Okay, well. Not in a good way. Oh, okay. Well, we have some like Valley adjacent news, but then final story will be some TV news that leads into the TV recap. I don't really have much to catch you up on. Like these days, there's so little going on in my life. Like obviously there's a lot going on in my life, but like in terms of podcast fodder, like, okay, what did I do yesterday? We had our big meeting. We had a lunch meeting and then I went home and collapsed and I almost fainted at the lunch meeting I was like so on I am so looking forward to not being hot anymore like I know the weather's about to get hotter but I'm ready for like my temperature to re-regulate like I'm so oh you know what I don't know if people talk about the similarities in being overweight and being pregnant like obviously the bigness is a huge one but I feel like a lot of my overweight life prepared me for pregnancy things like being out of breath tips and tricks tips and tricks the heat like I when you're overweight you're just like I have a fan here I have a fan here and I just installed a window air conditioning unit because it wasn't cold enough in the studio.

6:04Like I feel I was as well prepared. And I also feel that way about stretch marks. I made a TikTok about this. I don't know if I've talked about this yet. You haven't gotten any stretch marks. I said like one of the benefits of being like a formerly fat bitch who got pregnant is that your body isn't like, this isn't a shock to your body, the stretching. So when I gained a lot of weight, like in college, I had gotten stretch marks and they went away over time. Um, and then I lost weight and now I'm like gaining weight again and my skin is not getting stretch marks because like my skin's my skin's like we've we've been here before you know this is not new to us and people were like just wait they can come in the 39th week and some people say they come after I just want to say that was my experience I didn't get stretch marks with Harry then with Charlie and I was got like so big I remember in like the last week or two weeks like my skin started to be itchy and like that's them like coming my skin has been itchy though up until this point and when I gave birth like there was really nothing and then or there was like they were faint and then they started getting darker after I can put them like but I'm smaller now okay so the good news is it's been almost two years and they have almost completely gone away and I'm not one of those people who like lives in fear of stretch marks because I've had them before and I really don't think that they're a big deal people like are afraid of getting pregnant because of stretch marks like I don't I just think a fun fact is that I haven't gotten a single one but I have heard that they can come after which is just disgusting they came after and they just didn't stop you would think it stops as soon as the stretching stop right and that didn't happen And then right after I gave birth, I was like, I can't be worried about this right now.

7:29And then by the time I got around to like when I would care about it, like when I was being really skinny, they were fading. And I was like, oh, and they're going to keep fading. And they have pretty much faded. So not a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. But so far. Yes. They're like people who are saying that are not wrong. I know. But just so far, I don't have any. I didn't have a full length mirror in the apartment I was living in when I had Charlie. So I had no idea what I looked like. That's for the best. I have come to the realization I have far too many mirrors in my home and they're in like very high traffic areas.

8:01So there's one directly on the path from my bed to the bathroom, which is where I go. So you have to see yourself every time you go to the bathroom. Every time I walk to the bathroom. And also I can see a little bit of myself getting out of bed, which is really fucking scary. Then there's also one right at the entrance of my kitchen. You actually do need to get rid of some. It's not good for your mental health. I completely agree. And when I was on Osempic, I was like loving all the mirrors you know I'm like mirror mirror on the well who's the snitchiest of them all and now it's actually detrimental it's bad for women like no but it's also you need to protect your postpartum self because like at least now like okay maybe you don't love how you look but like your body right there's something beautiful happening divine it gets a little sadder postpartum yeah and you need to protect her self the one in my bedroom is definitely like the biggest it's gotta go yeah no you're 100 right i'll tell like you need to project for future turd yeah yeah no i gotta look out for me and you don't want to do it thanks it's like wow i can't even look at the mirror you're not doing like now right now you're fine you could look at the mirror in this moment i gotta put me first i gotta just in this moment just in this moment only right now all we have is this moment tomorrow's unspoken people are like what's that gorgeous song i've never heard perry it's heady perry this moment a song that she never released as a single and maybe that's why she is where she is um i'm ready to dive in i'm not feeling terribly out of breath so that's good that bodes well for the first ad break yeah i and people have said like jacks you have to give claudia break like take over the ads she won't let me i've not even asked i know you won't let me i would you know i would love to you've been doing the resort pass ads all week and like seriously i couldn't be shoving the timer further up your face and you're always going over the time like there are a set of rules for how the ads are done like if you're not going to comply then i'm gonna keep doing it i just want to see like the rois from this week i'm like how many people signed up for the different sponsors and like given your embellishments signed up for resort pass well just know during maternity leave jackie's in charge of all the ads and i offered by the way i was like do you want me to pre-record them she's like no i got it the episodes are gonna be two hours long because the ad breaks are gonna be an hour i just think they're gonna be full of love and full of punch and full of key talking points hopefully of course the key talking points so ktps but also it's probably because i don't get to do it if i did them six a day like you every single day like i would be more routine but it's so special to me that i savor each one that's nice and i love our sponsors and support our sponsors support our sponsors and our sponsors thank you for supporting us why thank you sponsors we truly couldn't do what we do without you and we love you dearly.

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16:33She came up on my For You page, Salma Hayek. Have you seen her social media? No. It's one of the craziest fucking places on the planet. Salma Hayek is in such amazing shape for any woman, but it's specifically a woman her age, and she knows it. And all, I don't know where she lives, and I'm pretty sure her husband's a billionaire. Yeah. She married into the LVMH family, right? Renault. Renault, yeah, right, like the big Louis Vuitton family. She's on a boat pretty much all year long. She loves to swim. She's definitely a water sign, and she is always in a bathing suit. her Instagram is the funniest place on the planet and if I looked like her I would do the exact same thing oh and I was married to a billionaire so I actually think so if they have to do like a million covers this is a good one so I would rather have just seen her on the cover yes just one cover make a choice the next person on the cover wait can you show me them as we go oh yeah so this is Salma Hayek's cover very beautiful like no seriously she's like a bombshell that's a that's a great photo next Lauren Chan let me see I don't know who that is oh I was hoping that you would no I don't She, if there's one thing SI swimsuit staple, Lauren Chan knows it's fashion.

17:32And this model broadcast host and former features editor has one stacked resume to prove it. Wait, did she work at Sports Illustrated? I don't know. She's a fierce size inclusion advocate and has long been passionately outspoken when discussing her support of sizing availability across the board. Okay, got it. So like that's her thing. Sama Hayek is like the old one, not old one, excuse me. You know what I mean? They always have to do something size inclusive. um and i thought she was like what's her name lauren lauren chan i would have thought she was like a digital influencer like one of the okay i've never seen this girl in my life yeah where does she like do her content she's canadian that's maybe why we don't know her she's the founder of the plus size clothing brand henning okay maybe we're not oh and she's a lesbian oh okay that's what nbc news says check lauren chan is the first out lesbian to appear solo on a sports illustrated swimsuit cover that's cool really nobody else has been a lesbian they've done other stuff in lgbtq like i feel like they're they're always very inclusive i'm surprised it's the first lesbian it's like how many things can you include right covers okay who's the third the third is olivia dunn livvie dunn the gymnast oh she looks great like that's like uh influencer Box check.

18:47Yeah. And then the fourth is Jordan Childs. The Olympian. Let me see. Okay. Like the thing is. I can't believe how excited you are about all of these. These are all like weirdly good selects. And it's not my favorite photo of her. She's so cute. But I feel like they kind of like phoned it in with her cover. Like the rest of them are. I mean this is. Livvy Dunn looks like a picture from Instagram. It's a little basic. Yeah. I actually really like the selects. I just hate the concept that there are multiple selects. like just give us one yeah who's the girl of the moment and like none of these girls are models that's the other thing they're all like celebrities like famous for other things whereas sports illustrated like for many many years was kind of like a victoria's secret like a huge thing you would get in your modeling career and it would launch the career of lots of young models so it's a kind of annoying that well you can be a lot of things and a model none of these girls are models by trade i am never going to be like supportive of the four cover stars or five cover stars or three cover stars or two cover one cover star is what i want are you supportive of one cover with three people like the nina ogdell one like an iconic photo on one cover yes and because it's like we don't even get to talk about the photo like you know it's just about the person on the cover it doesn't even matter what the picture looks like a thousand percent so i'm never really going to go for the four and i don't even know which four people they could have that would even make me be like oh okay this was i know this was a good black pink olivia jackie claudia margo all four members of black pink oh that would be all four members of little mix because it's cohesive that actually would have been so cute like these four swirlies don't know each other they're not connected at all no it's so random and now i know you're like you're being really supportive of each of the women well i love jordan childs like she's a queen and she did like get totally fucking robbed and i have no issue with any of these women and i've just recently like taken interest in samahayek's digital footprint so it felt like very personal to me and livy dunn like that's like a zandra like i like when they lean into like the young TikTok because I'm very young and hip on TikTok right so I and I don't know the other swirly but like love size inclusion like there's nothing wrong with any of the selects but it's not what it what Sports Illustrated once was and I feel like every time we talk about this we sound like grandma's like back in my day but it was fabulous back in my day bitch okay no and we sound like a broken records because we say this every year because every year they do the same thing and it's so disappointing we can't even remember who was on the well last year there was like 55 people on the cover because it was the 60th remember they did like the Jenna Rank group photo.

21:11No, I literally don't remember. In addition to four cover stars. Oh, sounds familiar. So there were like five covers. I couldn't, and then the year before, who was it? We don't know, but I could tell you who it was when I was in high school. It was Kate Upton. It was Chrissy Teigen, Nina Ogdahl. It was Hannah Jeter. Oh, we saw Derek Jeter at lunch yesterday. Slay New York moment. But Hannah wasn't there, so we didn't really care. I think this is such a flop. I agree. And I'm not afraid to say it, and I really appreciate your positivity. I'm if I'm talking about it in the context of this new gen of Sports Illustrated these are good selects but in the scheme of like what made Sports Illustrated like why do we care about Sports Illustrated because for many years it was this destination then yeah this sucks also like you want to get your boxes like put a pregnant woman on the cover that's what I'm waiting for there technically Nina when she was filming yes I'm Paul American she was like three days I want to see a big stretch belly on the cover like a and there a lot of those you're telling me they haven't no claudia i'm always looking out for it there might be in like i know nicole williams from wags was in the issue pregnant put her on the cover yeah no that's a good one put her on the cover kind of like a big moment for women it's not feeling inclusive right that everyone's included except for pregnant women it's true we are beautiful too like i love looking i love looking in the mirror at my pregnant potty i'm finding these covers to be extremely exclusive that's a that's a fire critique and i feel offended no And I feel like each year they do try to top.

22:37Like this year we're doing the first. And they keep getting more specific. So literally do the first pregnant woman. What's the big deal? It would be so beautiful. It's literally not a big deal also. Have you seen some of these pregnant women who are models? Like Nina Agile pregnant on the cover. Is literally me after lunch. Would be pargy. Totally. So I'm offended. Just so you know. It's just not. It's not good. It's not iconic. It hasn't been iconic for many, many years. I would say the last like real iconic. And the last one they chose singularly was Camille Caustic, right? No, she was in a group.

23:08Oh, maybe I just like followed her so it felt bigger. She was like, it felt big. Yeah. But I feel like she was grouped. It's just been years and years of like groups and it's so, because they never, they didn't want to make a choice. Like they had gotten a lot of, I feel like it started because they got a lot of criticism about not being size inclusive. So they put Ashley Graham on one of the covers. Well, it's like, if you're going to be inclusive, just give her the cover. Like that's it. That's the statement you're making. But they didn't really want to make that statement. so they had multiple covers.

23:34And then they got like caught in this thing where they have to have multiple covers. Yeah, because you can't have one person who is both big and small and old and young. Right, gay and straight. No, they kind of, they got like a little too caught up in being inclusive so they can't choose anyone now because then it would be like, well, you're saying that's the standard of beauty. It's like, well, no, we just chose someone. We're finding this beautiful. Today. In this second. And that doesn't mean you're not beautiful. It's a whole magazine full of women. Right, open it up. And you know what? I don't think four is enough.

24:05I feel like it should be more. I feel like it's extremely exclusive to have four. I completely agree. And they should have 100 covers. Yes. Like, what a mess. Yeah. And also the fact that the covers were released and I didn't hear about it until this moment. And I literally, when I tell you, I got home from our lunch and I was on my phone for the rest of the day. Like, it doesn't bode well for the impact of Sports Illustrated. It used to be, we were like countdown waiting for it. Like we knew it was coming. No, it's not giving. No, it's not giving. And I think the only way, I think they've gotten themselves into this like inclusive mess where they can't represent enough and they're still underrepresented.

24:40Right. You just have to rip off the bandaid, go back to one. Give up. Rip off the bandaid, just say. Right, nevermind. We're going back. Control Z. And they could have done it for this one because last year they put so many women on the cover for the 60th. Right. Then now in 61, it could have just been like back to basics. Right. Instead, we got this. Now, of the four cover stars, if only one of them could have had the cover let me see them who would you think should be the one i feel like you're gonna be shocked but based on the photos too right like the photos themselves based on the photos i would say salma hayek i would say salma hayek too i don't think whoever shot jordan childs like really was looking out like this is not the best jordan childs could look in terms of her hair her hair makeup like lighting this is just not a great photo of jordan trials like she's so she's on this like dirty rock they fly to these unbelievable places her background is like sea moss covered dirty rocks there's two gymnasts on the covers true olivvy dunn's like it's just it's very pretty she has the blue water but you're right it's very instagram like it's not a photo i think lauren chanz is very instagram i think lauren chanz is very poorly lit like it's overexposed with the sun in the back i think and i happen to think sama hayek's is beautiful like i it's they're known for their destinations and she could literally be at a pool in Miami but in her in her act she probably was in her backyard but I would choose Salma Hayek of these four so would I but I will say like the now if not that I'm a photography critic now too but the photos aren't photoing and there I don't think you say did all of these I know he did some of them but he's like the guy he shot Alex Earl right you'd say but there were two gymnasts no figure skaters disgusting no runners should be caitlin clark but like she's not a model sorry no i'm getting caught up in the sports illustrated like no give us models please give me someone i've never heard of like it's supposed to it used to be like a discoverability i know you want zandra i know that's your i would be so happy if zandra's like and she is like the most insane sports illustrated body like she deserves it curves and boobs like she's sick looking so that would be your choice give it to zandra or turdy obviously or turdy okay well congrats to the models models are you ready for our next story story story marissa umanski is packing on the pda with a new mystery woman after a different packing on the pda with a mystery woman and chateau marmont and like this trope of real housewives of beverly hills ex-husbands like getting caught making out with girls and like like i'm over it i just want to say i wouldn't find this story to be like story worthy except did you see this picture of him grabbing her ass of him hoisting her oh that's a lot for the public they're waiting for ballet well they also don't know who she is right they said like on mystery and we have a picture of her face straight on and i like nope she could be anyone yeah she really could be anyone she looks like a mix of so many people i don't like hold a candle for him and kyle so like i'm not upset by this i do think it's i'm I'm so upset by this.

27:47I do think it's icky when you have like daughters that age. Like she looks like she could be about Farrah's age. How would you feel if your father married someone your own age? And was hoisting her up in the public next to the valet parking for$16. There is a way to be like courteous and respectful in your new life of like your children and your ex-wife who you seem to be on good terms with. And like things like this are not that. No. Every other picture is cute and kosher. Right. Like cozy-licious. Oh, they're smiling. A little tushy grab. This is absurd. It's the bachelor jump. you know when you like run to the group date and you want to get there first straddle jump so you jump and straddle um it's just inappropriate he's also an older gentleman I worry of course about his back like it's not nice as my people would say is a look of a like yeah so aside from that like I would have had no notes about this like right go do your thing Kyle's obviously back commenting on Morgan's stuff oh is she yeah and it's giving like mile again mile mile oh is that their celebrity name Kyle and Morgan what about Corgan Corgan that's better than mile Corgan is going mile yeah I I don't know if Kyle cares um like I think she did on the season I think she cares like I think it's really hard you could be so moved on so out of love with someone I think like seeing pictures like this like yeah knowing your kids are gonna see this like knowing the world is seeing this yeah it I think you care about that it's not like oh I wish it was me yeah but it's like oh my gosh my life is just out so you don't think she's sitting in her bathroom crying blasting that should be me holding your hand no i don't okay i don't i just think it's like she doesn't like her life being so blasted yes i do think it's also only a matter of time before we get like the next set of photos and it's like a double date with mauricio pk and these high young things mystery mystery women even though pk's wasn't mystery she was like a big brother uk right right amazing race contestant yeah amazing race whatever yeah it's only a matter of time calling it now yeah you know who she looks like a little bit let me say she looks like farah well she looks like hillary duff she looks like a million people piper pro but she does look like a million people like doesn't she look like hillary duff a little bit and then back in the studio haley duff yeah but i thought maybe hillary was just there like sitting with matt at work yeah hillary duff like tried to make news by being back in the studio um matthew coma her husband and a music producer like posted a picture of her like alluding to new music and I just want to say like I'm good no I'm all set like the catalog of music you left us with is enough for a lifetime like thank you for your work rest easy yeah unless it's going to be a re-recording of how we need like an Avicii remix you know like Siesto get in there rip I was going to say this woman is the elk of Dorit She does look like Dorit.

30:39I just want to say ship. I'll never give up on those two. Never gonna give you up. Never gonna give you down. And you shouldn't give up. I think if they're meant to be, like it's still not their time. Things are still too fresh. Not enough time has passed. Like literally a decade has to pass. Like they, it's kind of like the end of Daisy Jones. Like they'll finally get together when they both like have Alzheimer's. Yeah. Yeah. Good reference. End of Daisy Jones. Spoiler alert.

31:10My bad. There is at least one person listening to this show. Who just got Daisy Jones and the Six for them. Who's in the middle of Daisy Jones and the Six. My bad. Like 100 % my bad. But we didn't say who. Oh, true. Right, right. Our next story. Vendaya sent Anna Sawai the sweet gift after their accidental Met Gala twinning moment. Should I call a doctor? Accidental. my gala twinning moment so as you said during our met gallery cab zendaya and anna so i were wearing a very similar look i thought there was enough distinction yeah but um no they had the same thought that they were wearing the same thing so zendaya classy broad did you see the video of law roach on the red carpet like being interviewed by like entertainment tonight or something but he's like look while he's being interviewed he's like just looking down at the carpet like seeing who's coming and who's going and you see him see anna so i for the first time so we're getting his like live reaction he's like oh that's so funny she's wearing like zendaya's outfit like he looked like a little mad but he kept it he kept it together yeah i saw that video um i maintain like zendaya was just on another she's on another planet and to be honest while the outfits were quite literally the exact same like items right like a white blazer a white bell bottom they couldn't have been more different no i agree anyway zendaya sent anna flowers so that's nice because like the overall like rhetoric online was like well she looks worse than like nobody was like who wore it better it wasn't even a question so she like got invited to the mac gala not only did she show up wearing the same as somebody else like it's a zendaya like yikes so honestly flowers it was the least zendaya could do yeah law said i think people thought there was some kind of disappointment on our end you know anna stylist carla welch and i are very friendly we've known each other for years and carla and i talked zendaya sent anna flowers because it was her first met but yeah it wasn't any disappointment it was two people paying homage to two different people right Yoko being Anna's inspiration and Diana Ross and Bianca Jacker being ours it just happened and they both look great and they're both beautiful women I mean I hate the way people try to pin women or stylists against each other it was just all great they both look great tell them law and I just feel so proud that I never did that no I don't think did I no okay yeah I'm saying everyone else did like everyone else so toxic we're so yeah we lift up we lift up women we do in our own way in a sort of unique and peculiar kind of way we break them down to lift them up right we make them like the worst versions of themselves so that they can return better better yeah yeah that's just like a little bit about us so in case anyone was wondering was worried but this also confirms me i wish they hadn't addressed it because then you could be like oh you guys don't know anything about fashion these aren't the same things right explain to me how she was channeling Yoko Ono the other girl um for the theme like how does that apply oh well I couldn't black dandyism Yoko Ono I couldn't explain that to you no if anybody wants to sound off in the comments to just make the connection for me I'm sure it's there yeah of course the thing is that's the thing with the Met Gala if you try hard enough like you can it's like the the meme where you're like doing all the math you can make an outfit connect to the theme but if we have to ask so many questions yeah I don't know that it works no no no I'm sure that it's there we're just uneducated We are slobs, uneducated slobs.

34:27Are you ready for our next story? Is it four? It is four. Do you think I'm ready? Yeah, I think you're ready. Oh, okay. Because Shia LaBeouf says Timothee Chalamet is doing better work than anyone alive, clearing up beef rumors. And I didn't realize until this moment that like Timothee Chalamet, sort of like the reincarnated spirit of Shia LaBeouf. He is. Even though Shia's not dead. No, he picked up the mantle that Shia set down. Yeah, they also look so much alike. they have the same voice like you're telling me shia wasn't in i mean excuse me you're telling me timothy wasn't in even stevens like i'm confused or holes and that shia is not in dune he should be right and shia's not dating kylie jenner it's really true i never thought of the comparison because i don't really ever think of shia labeouf no and like their brand of actor just like i don't watch timothy i don't watch shia if he's in something i'm probably not seeing it like we're not the same and i was excited to see that shia was back in the news because then we get the opportunity to say Shia Shia Shia Shia.

35:27Well days after making headlines with an interview in which he compared his ambitions and reputation to those of fellow actor Timothee Chalamet. Oh I didn't even see that he's really so relevant. Yeah Shia shut down any suggestion of Bad Blood on Monday by posting a screenshot on social media of what appeared to be a very friendly email exchange between them. So he posted an email that Timothee sent him in October 2023 saying subject electric. this this like doesn't make timothy look great so it is a window into timothy's you know offline personality after having seen shia's performance in henry johnson which is a play by david mamet zosha's father oh yes shoshana from girls a lot of people don't know she's a nepo baby yes she is so shia was in her dad's little play timothy emailed subject electric absolutely blown away by your work the other night.

36:19Totally electric, totally present at every turn. King of your kingdom, even if that kingdom is a miserable four by four prison cell. What a fantastic play. I hope you guys take it to New York and I hope this is the beginning of your work on stage and not an anomaly. Timothy. Then Shia responded, thank you, doggie. Every blessing to you. Fun watching you evolve. Take ownership. Bang, bang. Now I did find it interesting that Timothy signed his email, Timothy, you know? Yeah, like so formal. With the accent and everything. Right, and I didn't know if that's what he went by like in his personal life it could have been tim it could have been timmy it could have been tom like it tim tam like so i guess he's so and it does make sense he's very serious um that he goes by timothy like and how are we highly calls him how are we meant to pronounce timothy with the accent because if it's not timothy what is the apostrophe on the a mean it's like yeah timothy he is french half and i assume the half is the apostrophe only one e has the apostrophe and the other one doesn't like what timothy i can't i can't conjecture on this i'm saying timothy i do want to know what kylie calls him obviously she doesn't but i feel like she calls him she probably calls him like t babe no no but like what say she has to call across the house or something like i feel like she called tiger t tim such like a not a sexy name no it's not maybe timmy well whatever he's also not sexy you can't be like hey timmy give me that dick maybe the theo maybe do that maybe she calls him sex slave dora probably but let's get back to the story at hand so obviously these two are fine and chaya posted it with the quote saying if you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools timothy chalamet is doing better work than anyone alive we've been good so just clearing up the rumors that nobody heard that nobody heard and i'm not worried about these two and they are very similar and i guess there's enough room for both of them and there is actually not enough room for both of them because nobody likes or cares about shyla buff like no only one of them is succeeding at a time when we haven't heard about the other one and vice versa oh you think the two can't coexist like shia was popping off before timothy came on the scene yeah but shia's like canceled yeah like he's a no-go zone i don't think he gets a cast and stuff and that's why shia what's his big fk twigs like he was extremely abusive and i believe margaret quayley is involved in something because she dated him briefly as well and she was like starring in his like you know like short film remember that whole thing like it was i'm not i'm not fully versed on like the i'm no no it's for us to admit familiar yeah he's not he's not that guy you know so like timothy don't respond you know yeah i do feel kind of weird like reading timothy's private email it is always interesting to see how like people who we know like peripherally and publicly like how they actually speak or act behind closed doors it feels like i shouldn't be it's i mean it's not meant for me he sent it to shia like it was never meant for my eyes you know what this is reminding me when he sent it he wasn't like this is gonna end up on the public consumption it's reminding me of jeff bezos we seriously have the same fucking brain yes it's reminding me of jeff bezos too like you see this businessman you see this nerd like everybody has preconceived notions about him and then it's probably text messages get leaked and it turns out he just wants to get drunk with you you know not really drunk just a little drunk and then wake up and read the newspaper i feel like i've seriously finally moved on from that no and i can't go back help um still at the restaurant i can only deal with what jeff bezos is doing in the present you know origin right if i if i take into account like reading the newspaper i feel like they're getting married any day now they oh i know like a couple of weeks ago they were like setting up tables you know yeah i thought they were getting married over christmas so like i've stopped being on wedding watch yeah when they get married they get married and i'm excited for them before you dive into the fifth and final story let me let you know that the fifth and final story is brought to you by roback jackie and i are big believers in not gatekeeping did i say jicky it was a little jicky i don't think it was we are not, we are not believers in like gatekeeping when you find something that you love.

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44:33Played that one. Very good, Jackie. I'm impressed. Very good, Jackie. I literally feel like your teacher. Like, very good. I think this student has become the teacher. Our fifth and final story is two parts of Bravo News. First, I just feel like we need to say. That Roni. Andy is saying that Roni is not canceled. That casting is heavily underway for Roni. Execs met with 10 potential new housewives last week. he is adamant that ronnie isn't going anywhere so even though everyone was like ready to be like well ronnie pack your bags you're done so believable like yeah so sorry like not only was it in like reputable newspapers it's like the shittiest tv show on the planet with the literally ratings that are worse than my instagram stories like i i didn't even think for a second it wasn't true or possible no and it's like sometimes they'll say like a show is canceled or whatever it's like but you love it so you're like no no there's just on pause like they'll be back whatever but the minute they were like ronies not we're like canceled collective believement and like bethany made a video addressing it's sonia morgan like everybody was on board so that's how it's wishful thinking no that's how it should be it should be canceled he said after reading a few headlines that claim that the network had asked the show he said quote i don't know how else to say it we are between seasons on the housewives what's so interesting is last week when i was the bravo execs met with 10 potential new roni cast members this is called the casting process between seasons and it's heavily underway okay don't be rude like we're yeah like we're dumb so patronizing we can understand that if you met with people this is called the casting process like we fucking know he said that's why nothing and his attitude check today like he said so i don't know what to say it's really odd it just keeps going on and on there you go okay he's like being mad who do you think the 10 that they met with are was it you i was having the conversation with about who they should cast yeah we came up with some good ideas danielle bernstein and melissa woodhealth and melissa woodhealth melissa woodhealth is like super successful and like very um i think she has a really interesting personal life everybody knows danielle from instagram she's kind of like crazy like she would be great for it both have like big personalities close friends and they're both like unapologetically themselves like it or not like it or not and sorry they're both wealthy like for me that's the bar um and they are real friends like for years i think that if you took a that group maybe and some peripheral friends who we don't know who are wealthy and interesting too um that would be cool yeah i thought that was a good select especially melissa wood yeah she has such an interesting story too right she was like a cocktail waitress she met her husband who like owned the bar where she was cocktail waitressing he ended up becoming like one of the biggest like nightlife he is one of the founders of the tau group yeah yeah tau group i didn't know that that's how they met yes yes yes and then she built her own like empire um melissa wood health which is like online fitness yeah um um people like she's an influencer everybody loves her like she would be great for like bringing people to watch and then i'm sure she has very interesting friends but even like the videos that she posts on social media i think people like really clown on her because they're like very meditative like a little posturist but that like people's opinions of her don't stop her from being who she is which i think is the exact elk of a good housewife having like a really strong identity like sense of self like and i like who i am and i know who i am and even if you don't like it or you think it's like silly or goofy like I'm still gonna be this way I'm not gonna pretend to be perfect and normal or what you think is normal so but it sounds like they're not entirely scratching the the new gen cast because like some of the OG housewives like Aaron Leach and I think Cy were like posted Andy's response being like we're still here and it's like we actually do need to wipe the slate clean everybody's gotta go okay so I'm sure they're gonna keep one or two because otherwise then it would be like for nothing Accepting that it was a failure.

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48:16I do think they should keep Erin. And I think when we talk about like people who should be on the show, we're talking about like, you know, even Melissa Wood. I'm sure like Melissa Wood knows Erin or they've met before. It's not like such a social stretch. I think Erin can stay. I think Uba and Brynn can't stay, right? Brynn is gone already. After last season. But Brynn's already left and I don't think Uba was right for the housewives. And Uba was like caught, she had a bad last season, right? No, no, that's Brynn. I think Uba was involved too. She was involved, yes, but Brynn was the one with the big lie.

48:45Okay. Jaisal, I think, has been marred in, like, feeling like she shouldn't be on the show since, by the way, this is coming from someone who's never watched, but I know there were allegations against her that she moved to New York for the show. No, so with Jaisal, like, she had a rough start, and then she became the hero. Like, New York Times wrote everyone, and I think a lot of her hero-dom is extremely unwarranted, and she's, a lot of it has to do with her husband. Like, people like him. He's, like, funny and weird. She's gotta go. Sorry, she's gotta go. Okay, great. So you're saying side. Jenna Lyons has to go.

49:13Oh, yes. Jenna Lyons is gone. So, Cy on the first season was trying so fucking hard. Like, it was actually painful to watch. Like, you respected how badly she wanted the show to work, but like, my God, pretend. Fight it cool. I do think she ended up, like, getting better. I think she has potential. If I had to keep one more, I would keep Cy. And her and Erin are actually friends. Okay, that's good. And I know we like Erin, but as far as the show. She wasn't like a big potster, but she was a really good, like, a narrator almost. She's very sound of mind. Okay. And you need someone who can like talk to the audience like in a real way.

49:49Okay. So we'll see. Yeah. It will be fun to watch the casting process and then like see what they decide. Yeah, but they did this two years ago and it wasn't fun. No, but like who they ended up with and we were like who? Even when it was like Jenna Lyons and Rebecca Minkoff, I never thought that was like a good idea, but it was just interesting that that's what they would do. Yeah, they went down the wrong path. It's not too late. Turn it around. Let's start again. yeah and then also valley news reporting that the valley is going to be hit with a big cash shake-up ahead of season three as the new episodes are suffering the lowest ratings yet oh really of course like once i join as everybody stops watching the show meanwhile last year everyone was like please watch the valley apparently the most recent episode of vanderpump world spinoff the valley hit an all-time low in viewership bringing in just 390 000 people when the show aired on bravo last well that's live that doesn't account for like on demand and no but for Bravo that's bad.

50:39Yeah, the number marks a decline from the previous series low record, which was set the week before. Oh no. Due to numbers dropping week after week for season two of The Valley, Bravo will apparently be making adjustments if the show comes back for a third season. I think it will come back for a third season. They're franchising it. And I think it really - You need to give these things a little time. Yes, it has potential. And so a cast shakeup would be good, except I don't know that the cast is the issue. Do you know what I mean? Well, I think that if I had to, I enjoy the show and I'm watching week to week.

51:09So I'm not like someone who's like tuned it out. But I think if I had to imagine why the show is not like as popular this season, it's like a lot of the core dramas, Michelle and Jesse, and they're just not that interesting. Or like we really don't know them. You don't know them. It's not entertaining. Like. And this was my thought from last night's episode. You guys are not going to like it. But like it's way uninteresting without Jax. He's fucking crazy. Yeah. We're all talking about him. We don't see him. and they did a flashback i'm like yeah jacks was on the show it was better when he was on like he's a crazy person he's a perfect reality star he's toxic he's terrible from an entertainment perspective like he is a big get for the show he's like a pull and him and britney too and so you know i don't know how we deal with that yeah so i think that's more the issue it's like there's drama and there's a good cast and sure you could shake it up in the sense that like we need lala and sheena we need them now we need them now and we need like less zach but i would say like taking off like Zach is not a cast Jasmine I would say we're moving away from the Jesse and Michelle drama would be a cast shake-up and perhaps what's right for the show even though like I even though they're the only people bringing it and I think I want to support Michelle like as a woman like I just want the best for her I also just don't think the show is the best for her I don't think she's meant to be on reality tv and I think it's contributing negatively to her life and actually last night's episode like obviously we're always talking about Jesse and Michelle but it really for me it wasn't about them like the episode was so boring until the very end where like two things happened and what's that setup of the episode they're still in Santa Barbara Santa Barbara they go to a winery the bus breaks down they have to go back to a gas station right Danny comes in Danny comes they Danny's home then they go to the winery and whatever and like it's all so boring until they get home and they're obviously just been drinking all day Danny like drank a lot at the winery to sort of catch up because he was a couple of hours late because he was working and then they get home and I guess in the pantry there are no cameras so Danny like runs into the pantry and I think Janet sees him he's just chugging straight up from a bottle of tequila.

53:02Like hiding it. Even though everyone's drinking. Like what's the big deal? I mean Jesse woke up that morning after his like big drama. His aunt niece. The night before right. He woke up and was like walking around the house with like a glass of Sauvignon Blanc. He looked so lame. And everybody was like what's with the champagne? Like so it's like this isn't a group where you have to hide your drinking. Everybody's blackout. So. I feel like he's hiding it from Nia. So. But yeah okay. So they have a chef come. Dani falls asleep. She tries to wake him up and it's like one of those sleeps where like he could be dead yeah so she goes to dinner and there's an empty chair next day and everybody's like where's your husband and she's like you know he's so tired like he worked and then he drove all the way out here and like you know the winery and she wouldn't acknowledge like he's sleeping because he's black out not because he's tired and has three kids sorry i love her yeah no okay so it's like not a big deal it's just something like you would talk shit about your friend behind her back being like why couldn't she just say like her husband's drunk she's a pageant girl like she just is not gonna say it so they they acknowledge that it was very pageanty of her um but like britney and jasmine are getting so mad at this and i'm like okay you losers need to stop like because britney's like and i get what britney's saying she's like i like come out i bleed out like i'm talking about my kids and my husband like and you can't just acknowledge that your husband's drunk like who gives a shit like be real she was saying for the show but like be real and so i get why she's like annoyed but like they're getting so bent out of shape over it jasmine it really is the one who made it a thing and they're like talking shit about i just want to say just because you've aired out all your dirty laundry on television like doesn't mean that the rest of us have to and like you protect your husband like that's an admirable I don't even by the way Nia protecting Danny that is Nia being real that's who Nia is like and we all have eyes we could see what it is I don't need you to do anything bad at the winery stand up and then be like my husband drank too much like why do you need no but Jasmine's really trying to make a connection between this incident with her girlfriend and right which by the way was one year ago like they said it keeps saying like it was literally a year ago she brought it up on camera two weeks ago to like resolve it and she brought it up again now so I don't even know if she was necessarily bothered when it happened but like she wanted it for the show so she's trying to make a connection between like his drinking look she's hiding his drinking and this incident with her and her girlfriend where they flash back I guess they filmed it but didn't make it like a real scene he was super apologetic he was like I'm really embarrassed it's like not who I am I believed him um but like Jasmine doesn't want to let it go because it's like really what like like, brings her into the storyline.

55:22So she's just, like, trying so hard to, like, make a connection. And so Nia, like, puts her ear up to the door. And she hears Brittany and Jasmine, like, talking shit. And she just goes in there being like, what's your fucking problem? Like, just because your life is falling apart, like, mine is too. And I have to give Major a shout out because I feel like we're really hard on Kristen Doty. She was the only one being like, who cares? He probably is tired because he has three kids. And he's drunk. She literally was holding space for two things. Her and Luke were, like, not, were the only ones not wanting to, like, dog on Danny for being drunk.

55:47They were just like, I mean, he did drive, like, three hours here, three hours back. He did work and they have three kids. Yeah. And he drank. Both things can be true. I'm like, who cares? Like they were the only ones being like, why are we talking about this? Yeah. Like it's literally, it's not a thing. It was so fucking loser-y. I was like, it was the first time I've ever been like, Brittany, stop. Brittany, I can give more lenience to because she's obviously going through a lot. And so she's like not making the right decisions always. And they're all so drunk. They've just been drinking all day.

56:14And then you look around the house. I don't even think they like highlight how much these people actually drink. like so much alcohol that's so crazy i know because they're like old yeah and their parents aren't they hung over in the morning and i guess also like without the kids like they can drink like they used to but who would want to like if i had the two days off like i'm working on me i'm charging i'm filling up my tank not depleting it so it was the danny thing and then what was the second thing that happened i think maybe that was a michelle and jesse no but the thing is the reason that Nia found out that like Jasmine and Brittany were talking shit is because Zach told her because he was like well you know Brittany thought she should tell Janet what I said at Jax's bar he was like waiting for his moment and honestly I was like cracking up he's so like transparent but I loved it he's so transparent but like somebody needed to say it because Nia wouldn't have known um but it's like you claim that's your best friend like you're so lame like that is hysterical was Benjana Stick there?

57:12Benjana Stick did not show up, which is probably why the episode had record low ratings. If I had to guess. It was a bad episode. I'm making it, my recap's hilarious, but my recap is funnier than the episode. So where do you stand? Do you still support me and Danny? Yes. Through and through. They are not toxic. Of course, they're not perfect people. But the group is trying to make it seem like they have a lot of problems that they're hiding from us. I don't think they do. I think they're a regular couple. there's like a scene in the sprinter where he's at home and he's about to leave to meet them and she's like wait go back to the house I need you to pick up a few things and she's like yelling at him she's being like such a nasty bitch wife and everybody hears her and they're like and she's like sorry guys and I think they're trying to make it seem like a conspiracy there's like something going on in this house I think they're just regular people with like stress and jobs and kids and like it's honestly probably like more relatable than it is toxic it's not they're trying to make it a thing no and I definitely think that she is someone who likes to have a sheen of perfection over everything but that's also like the pageant girl in her and i don't think she pretends to be otherwise but it's like just because she's acting like everything's perfect doesn't mean that actually below the surface it's awful right it's probably just not it's real it's real right you have three kids living in an apartment like it's hard right go back to the house yeah she's like i'm your wife go back to the house it was extremely real like honestly it was the most the closest i've ever felt to her you know I know I seriously love them yeah tomorrow we have a summer house recap and another part of G-L-S P-G-L-S correct thank you guys so much for listening to the show big lists the millennial morning show where we're just over the fast-paced story you need to remind of the Friday on YouTube so if you're watching this on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give us a video thumbs up we're also available as a podcast on our podcast we found that Spotify iTunes I really I don't have the breath we love you so incredibly much and we can't wait to see you tomorrow love ya we'll be dreaming of it Every minute.

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