Trump Rages Over Fox News Rally Coverage | with Keri Russell, Charlie Heaton, Patti Smith | Thursday, October 8

0:05From Studio 16, Rockefeller's Center in the Heart of New York City, is the Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon. Tonight, join Jimmy and his guests, Keri Russell, Charlie Heaton, Patti Smith, and featuring the legendary Ruth Cruz. 2354! And now, here he is! Jimmy Fallon!

0:38Thank you! Hey! Come on, Jimmy! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Hey!

0:58Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you very much. Enjoy yourself, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome to The Tonight Show. This is it. You're here. You made it. Thank you very much. Well, guys, the White House just announced that the new U.S. passport will feature a non-negotiable image of President Trump in every book. Ooh. In fact, the State Department even released a commercial about it. Yeah, check this out. The State Department is excited to announce that every single U.S. passport will now feature a picture of President Trump. You'll get to choose between exciting picture options like casual Trump, athletic Trump, natural tan Trump, jaw-maxing Trump, wet-but-in-a-healthy-way Trump, focused Trump, Extra-focus Trump.

1:51And for no additional charge, we'll add a picture of J.D. Vance. The new U.S. passport. You can leave the country, but Trump's coming with you. That's something I'm looking forward to. Some more political news. I read that Trump is furious at Fox News because they haven't been airing any of his recent rallies live. Yep, Fox was like, hey, we need time to Photoshop in the crowds. Guys, the midterms are heating up, and experts say control of the Senate could all come down to New Hampshire. Yeah, it's Democrat Chris Pappas against Republican John Sununu. Yep, Pappas and Sununu. Their commercials are interesting.

2:34I mean, here's one for Pappas. Hi, I'm Chris Pappas, and I'm ready to put my name on the Mappas. I'll give it to you straight, no Kappas. So vote for me, Chris Pappas. It's kind of weird, but... Here's an ad from Sununu. Hi, I'm John Sununu, and I'm the right man for Yu-Yu. I have the right point of view, view, so vote for me, John Sununu. They're leaning into their names. Here's another ad from Pappas. I'm Chris Pappas. Don't listen to his crap-us. He's got a bad rap-us and deserves a slap-us on the ass-us. Stick with me, Chris Pappas. I don't know. Now here's a response from Sununu. I'm John Sununu.

3:19Hey, Pappas, F-U-U. You're cuckoo and a lulu. I would let you in my new-new blue-blue Subaru-boo. My two favorite dolls, LaBubu and Goo Goo. Cuckoo, cachoo-choo, I'm John Sununu. This is too weird. I said this is too strange.

3:38Here's one last ad from the third-party candidate, Edmund LaPlante. Hi, I'm Edmund LaPlante, And my la pants make me la dance? And I'm going to lose anyway. What? Come on.

3:58Cut to the chase. Yeah, cut to the chase. You guys see this? Michigan Representative Haley Stevens, who recently lost a Democratic Senate primary, went on TMZ and seemingly had the time of her life. Check this out. It's real. Talk softer. It's not. I don't know how. I'm the best loser in America. I mean, they lost to Trump. That stinks. They're gonna try and determine because they see something. I know nothing about California. My fiancé is right here. I'm not hitting on Jacob, okay? His name is Jason, and he loves me to pieces.

4:35I'm sorry, didn't we do this story last night? Uh-oh, you caught me, Jimmy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love you. Michigan Representative Hallie Stevens. Yeah, that's right. Far put it on. How are you doing? Yeah, my flight home got canceled, and Michiganders don't spring for a hotel. We walk back from LaGuardia. We sleep in a broom closet, and we slip the cue card guy a couple of donut holes to let us get back up and keep yapping like a cartoon bullfrog. Ribbit, ribbit, ribbit, ribbit. Oh, okay, great. Now, it is good to see you again. Oh, don't give me that, Jimmy. Yeah, give me what? Oh, don't. No, no, no.

5:21For now, okay. Okay. Oh, you scared me. One more. No, stop. No, don't act like I'm stalking you, and you know I've only got eyes for one man, and he's standing right over there. Oh. Oh. His name's Jason, and he kisses like a moose with a salt lick. I love you, baby. All right. Well, very nice. Nice to see you there, Jason. So while you're here, do you want to talk about the Senate race in Michigan? Oh, I got to be honest. I'm trying to focus, but I'm finding it disgusting to look at you when I could be looking at that tall bottle of pop in the corner. Oh, look at him, piled high like a chili dog on a hot summer's day.

6:09Oh, hey, hey, don't you hide that pretty little face from me. Oh. You want to show him your joke, Jason? Oh, come on, do the little joke you were doing earlier. Oh. Oh, isn't that great? Okay. We saw that online. That's a great joke. Okay. What did happen to your flight? I canceled it. Wait, hold on. Jason, are you doing what I think you're doing? Oh. Oh, my God. It's happening. It's really happening. Oh, my God, Jimmy. You can tell I'm excited because of what I'm doing with my voice and my whole body. I think Jason's about to propose. Wait, aren't you already engaged? Yeah, but he loves proposing, don't you muffin top?

7:02Aw, go on, let her rip. No. Aw! Ah, he did the joke. He did the joke. Yeah, he's doing the joke again. Cut that out, Jason. You're making Jimmy jealous. No, you're not making me jealous. Anyways, I guess I'm just wondering how long you two are going to be here. That's fine. Well, we got to be going soon, as you can probably tell from looking at us. We've got big Halloween plans. Oh, really? Like what? Well, like, right now, I'm planning to jump that man's bones like he's one of them giant skeletons you get at a Home Depot. Trick-or-treat, baby, ding-dong! Oh, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

7:43Oh, God. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!

7:50Get him out of here. Oh, my God, get him out of here. Jesus. Get him out of here. Very good. Thank you. All right, thank you. Wow. Wow. Oh, my God. A lot of kissing. Oh, he's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. All right, he's joking around. Oh, my God. What?

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8:56Discovery, formed from Warner Media and Discovery, and owner of Warner Bros. Pictures, HBO, CNN, and Discovery+. Paramount Skydance owned Paramount Pictures and Paramount Plus and CBS. Warner Bros. Discovery agreed to sell its studios and streaming businesses to Netflix, but Paramount wanted all of Warner Bros. Discovery. States and writers challenged that concentration. Netflix withdrew. Opponents settled. Paramount, Skydance, Borg, Warner Brothers, Discovery, and now it's all called Skydance! So sing it with me! Mock, bock, pig, kick, puss, woo, woo, woo. Up for my new fat catipoos. Oh, po-po-poop, pat, that's his snoop.

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9:50Hopefully that helps. Hopefully that helps everybody out there. And finally, I heard that Starbucks is exploring a takeover of Chipotle. Ooh. Yep. Customers said they can't wait for the E. coli latte. We have a great show. Give it up for The Roots. Everybody right now. Yeah, like a hotel, tell them now, now, now, now. I made the world every dollar, tell them. Whoa, had a gold up on my top. Bad, mad, mad, mad, mad. Oh! What a show we have for you tonight. She is a Golden Globe winner who stars in the hit show The Diplomat. New season premieres October 15th on Netflix. Keri Russell is here tonight.

10:29The best. Our fave. He's a talented actor who you know from Stranger Things. He now stars in the new series Below, which is streaming now on Netflix. Charlie Heaton is joining us.

10:46She is a rock and roll legend and a New York Times best-selling author. Her latest memoir, Bread of Angels, is out now in paperback. Patti Smith is here tonight!

11:00They are fantastic. Everyone, it's the end of the week, and that's usually when I catch up with some personal stuff. You know, I check my inbox, I return some e-mails, and I, of course, send out thank-you notes. And I was running... Thank you. A bit behind, I was wondering, if you don't mind, I'd like to write my weekly thank you notes right now. Is that okay with you guys? Yeah. Thank you. James, can I get some thank you note writing music, please?

11:27He's psyched. Oh, man, he's in a... Pleasant. Is he a chipper mood today? Wood chipper. Mm.

11:37Thank you, Scarecrows, for looking like you're telling Everyone on the farm, I'm a hugger.

11:47Come on. Come in for one.

11:52Thank you. Smoke alarms for always letting me know you need a battery change on a random night at 3 a.m. Now?

12:05Beep. Beep. Beep. Which one is it? You ever remember the ones that talk to you? Oh, yeah. Fire! Fire! I'm sorry to bother you, but we need to change the battery. What? Someone here? Whoa. Thank you, Spiral Staircases, for looking like a regular staircase that learned pole dancing. Ooh, gentle. Thank you, Rewards Programs. I do think I should eventually get a prize for eating Domino's pizza.

12:43I got a Christmas ornament. Thank you.

12:50Thank you, wheat, for being grass. It's like, OMG, you have to try acupuncture.

13:02Thank you, sucking in your stomach, for a picture, for being the OG Photoshop. Oh, my God!

13:15Don't pass that. And finally, thank you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, for writing a book with James Patterson. Or, as Arnold put it, get to the chapter! There you have it. That's my thank you, folks. We'll be right back with Keri Russell!

13:39Just to let me know.

13:47Our first guest tonight is an Emmy-nominated and Golden Globe-winning actor who stars in the hit show The Diplomat. New season premieres October 15th on Netflix. Everyone, please welcome Keri Russell!

14:06That's right! They love you. We love you. It's always great to see you. Thanks for, before I get into anything, happy belated birthday to Keri Russell. I mean, come on. 50. 50 years old? It's good. 50 is good. Oh, my God. You look like a baby. Oh, my God. Did you party? I did. You celebrated? What did you do? I was working at the time. I was finishing The Diplomat. And so Matthew had arranged some of my closest, closest friends to come meet me. And we had this, like, three-day in the countryside beautiful thing. But I like to go to bed really early at night. And by the time the third day of excessive drinking happened, it was my birthday.

14:51And great dinner, great, beautiful thing. And then I walked up the stairs at a certain point and I was like, I'm gonna, um, I think I'm gonna lay down for a minute. Yeah. I did puke. Okay. I put myself to bed. And they sent me a video singing me happy birthday. There you go. Is that not beautiful? That is just perfect. There's been lots to celebrate this year, by the way. At the beginning of the year, you won an actor award for the Diplomats. So no big deal. Thank you. You're phenomenal. You were also nominated for two Emmys this year. Come on, bud. So fun. So fun. So fun. You actually said that, I saw somewhere you said that this year's Emmys turned out to be your ideal award show.

15:32Oh, the best. The best. But you didn't win your category. I know. The best. It's so hard to have to go up and speak. My dream every year is to be nominated but never actually win because then you don't have to go speak and say something embarrassing or do something wrong. And this year, Rae won. Rae Seahorn won. And she spoke about me on her speech. It was, like, ideal. I got to sit in my little seat, applaud her, and kind of be on stage. And she gave me props. It was the best. But she said, like, something about... gave you a shout-out that you wrote all the nominees' notes or something. I did.

16:07Yeah, do you always do that? Often, I do. And, yeah. That's nice. This year, I sent them all this note with this Gloria Steinem quote that says, we are linked, not ranked. And then I sent them this, like, beautiful little light. And it was so cool because it's just, like, it's such a high-pressure, silly thing. Like, first of all, no one's a winner in acting. Like, that doesn't, you know. You're not competing against someone else. It doesn't make any sense. Okay, they did that, or watch what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take them down. I cried the hardest. So, there's no such thing. And it's such a way, especially for women, to just go, we're connected, this is all silly.

16:48And then it does work, because then you see them at the awards show. And these beautiful Zendaya came up and thanked me. Yeah. It was just... And it is an honor to be nominated for all the work you guys do. Of course, that's the win. Yeah, that's the win right there. You do great work, everybody. Everyone, everyone. I actually did some research, and I found out that you might have the opposite reaction of most people at award shows, okay? That's so true. You almost seem happier when you don't win. I'm so pumped when I don't win. This is the truth. I'm going to show you what I mean. This is slowed down a bit, but this is Carrie when she didn't win at the Emmys last year.

17:23Take a look. I never get to see this. And the Emmy goes to... Britt Lauer. Oh. Okay, that's you guys. I'm like, yes! Yes! All my dreams! This is, now this is Carrie's reaction when she won the Actor Award earlier this year. Take a look. And the actor goes to... Carrie Russell from The Diplomone.

17:55It was so good! I was like, oh, crap. I have to go say something now. Yeah. Your partner, Matthew Rhys, we love. Man, he's a great guy. Oh, he's a great guy. And a great guest. He won two Emmys this year. Two? Yeah. Actually, three, because the show won as well. The show won as well. Yeah. How does he feel when he gets up on stage at awards? So nervous. We were both so nervous. Oh, really? You know, some people are just so good at, like, doing that. And Matthew and I both get really nervous. We were so nervous before the Emmys. And I looked at him a week before and I said, what's making you most nervous?

18:28And he said, speaking. It's so hard. You think you're going to say something wrong or forget somebody. And I said, OK, take me off your list. Let's take me off your list. You do not have to thank me. It's not about that. I know you love me. This is for work people. And he goes, OK, so we take each other off the list. And then he goes up. He's so nervous. Goes up and doesn't thank me twice and catches so much grief about it. And I was like, no, no, no, no. I told him he didn't have to thank me. Oh, hilarious? And, yeah, but it was... Everyone's like, you didn't thank Carrie. You didn't thank Carrie.

18:58And you're like, no, I told him. I told him. Not to thank you. He didn't need to thank me. I'm already thanked enough. I am, but he's safe in my books. Oh, please. Yeah. Before we talk about The Diplomat, I wanted to mention that your show and one of my faves, Felicity, is now on Netflix. And it's... Can you believe that? No, I can't. It's so good. Because The Diplomat is about to start, and this is the show that kind of started everything for you. Epic. Epic. Epic. Our buddy J.J. Abrams is a genius, man. I know. That show is such a, like, sweet little poem of a show. Yeah. And J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves were just so exceptional.

19:38And some of my oldest, oldest pals. Are you ready for this new fandom? I know. I have so many people come up to me who say, oh, I watched that show, you know, breastfeeding my kids. Or I'm rewatching. You know what I mean? Like, they just had a kid. Or, you know, like. Yeah, they have memories of you. And it affects a lot of people's lives. It's really sweet. Congratulations. Thank you very much. You've been part of so many great TV shows, but then The Diplomat comes along. Yep. And you go, yeah, this is the one I need to do. How did you pick this one? Deborah Kahn, who I love, who's our creator and our writer, called me.

20:12It was at the holidays. I think I was cooking for three sets of grandparents and had a lot going on. Yeah. And she said, you know, Matthew and I always take turns working. One person's working and the other one holds down the fort. Like he's in the UK right now. I hold down the fort with all the kids. And so I typically take things only that shoot in New York. This came about, it shoots right when Matthew's away. And it shoots in London. And I was like, great, I'll do it. You're like, I'm making too much food right now. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go wherever it is. I'm there, man. I'll do it tomorrow.

20:49I'm only doing it at Matthew's. Never mind. I'll do it. It made no sense for my life, but it was something that I had to do. I loved it so much. And I'm just having the time of my life. You're crushing it. I love it. And this is season four now? It's so fun. It's so big and crazy. And season four, and it's about... It's hard to not give away spoilers, but there's a lot of twists and turns. And ultimately, it's about loving your job, loving your country so much. but what happens when your boss is asking you to do things you don't agree with and that might even be illegal and how do you deal with that?

21:24Yeah, that's how you do it right there. Kerry Russell, everyone. The new season of The Diplomat premieres October 15th on Netflix. More tonight's show after the break. Stick around, everybody.

21:48Our next guest is a talented actor who you know from Stranger Things. He now stars in the new series, Below, which is streaming now on Netflix. Please welcome Charlie Heaton!

22:07Charlie! Welcome back to the show. We have a lot to get into. First off, I want to say that I saw you at the World Cup. This is a big deal. England versus Argentina. Correct. Yeah, yeah. You actually walked out with the ball, the match ball. I did go out with the match ball. Jimmy, let me tell you this story. Tell me about this. How do you end up here? So, the night before, I was sitting at the pub with my dad in London. We were sharing a Guinness. And I got a call. It was about 10 o 'clock at night. And we got a call from my agent. My agent never calls me at 10 o 'clock at night. You know? I was like, what the hell is going on?

22:44I'd been watching the World Cup for months now, and they were like, you know, for weeks, watching all the games. And he was like, what are you doing tomorrow? And I was like, nothing, I've got nothing going on. He was like, do you want to go watch England tomorrow in Atlanta for the World Cup semi-final? And I was like, man, tomorrow? Like in the US? Yeah, literally jump on a plane, do you want to come and go watch the game? I was like, well, yeah, of course I want to watch the game. It was like semi-final, World Cup, Argentina. And then he was like, OK, cool, give me five minutes. And then he called me back five minutes later and he went, Actually, do you want to give the ball out for England for the semifinal?

23:16That's a big leap right there. I was... So this guy here, right, ex-Argentinian professional footballer, right? Amazing, makes sense. And then I have no idea why they asked me to do it. Well, I mean, you are you. I mean, yeah, but I'm not a footballer, you know. I love football, but I'm not a footballer. But you're England. But I am England. It's either you or Paddington Bear. So, I mean, that's... Exactly. On my list, you're first in Paddington. Yeah, absolutely. No, amazing, man. But unfortunately, we did lose the game by, like, seven minutes. And I decided to kiss the ball before I put it out, which I felt like, in the end, I gave them.

23:56I think it's my fault. I think I gave them. The kiss of death? Yeah, I gave them the kiss of death. You did? No, you had nothing to do with this. I did. I'm not over it. No, no, you had nothing to do with it. I'm so sorry. No, they just played better than I was going to tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get to say hi to them? I saw they all came out the tunnel. You know, I saw Messi and Harry Kane. Come on! Legendary, bud. Legendary. They just look like, you know, when they come out, they look like Adonis. Yeah, of course. They're athletes. They're amazing. But I love that it started with you and dad sharing a Guinness and then it ended with you at the World Cup.

24:29That's fantastic. It's a whirlwind. I got to say, last time we were here, we were talking about Stranger Things. And man, oh man, it was such a great finale. I loved it. And there was, um, then after that, there was tons of fan rumors that that that was not the finale. And that was there was a bonus fake a new episode coming out after the finale. Yeah, which is not true. But but fans still think it's coming soon. Man, can you let us know when is the real finale on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Next week? It's after below. If you get to the end of below. That's genius. That is genius. Yeah, you are an absolute genius.

25:07That is brilliant. So if you watch below, you can see the real new fake ending of Stranger Things. Exactly. By the way, I love all of your co-stars of Stranger Things. And I was reading up about after the show and everyone talking about their memories. And I think two of the cast members were mentioning that neither one of them for the first two years knew that you were English. They didn't know you had a British accent. Yeah, I do that. I very much like... What's it called? It's like, um... Method acting? Well, it's, yeah, it's doing my job, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Um, no, I very much do that.

25:46Like, when I'm here a lot, I think my accent, yeah. Like, I will be an American actor. Not now, because, you know, I'm trying to be me. No, you are definitely, but around set, you would just... But, yeah, I mean, I think also just that first season... Like, hey, Finn, how you doing? Yeah, hey, man. Hey, man. I just think that first season, I was just... It's easier, you know? I just wanted to get it right, I think. I was scared to get it off. That's wild. For the first year, they didn't know that you were... It's so funny. You spent so much time together. Yeah, you have a little fun. Yeah, why not?

26:13Let's talk about Below, by the way. It's fantastic. I love Josh Hartnett. And it came out earlier today on Netflix. And people were talking about it. It's in Newfoundland, a fishing village. And, gosh, gorgeous. Beautiful. Like nowhere else I've ever been in the world. It's fake-looking. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, it's incredible. I'd never heard about it when they asked me to do it. I'd never... The little town or where? No, Newfoundland, the place. I'd never heard of it. Oh, wow. That's pretty. Oh, I heard of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you meant the little town. No, I didn't know anything about it.

26:46Oh, you got it. When you see a globe, you're going to freak out. Like, so many things. I know. Just from England and Marriott. Geography was not my... No. No, it was really not my... Did they recognize you there when you were walking around? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, but honestly, I've never been so... Because at my job, I'm travelling all the time. Yeah. I've been in different countries, and I've never been so welcomed into, like, a community and a group of people. And the amazing thing about it, they're all... They love talking, and they're storytellers, and they're proud of their culture, and they really want you to have a good time there.

27:20Like, so, I... It was unbelievable. Like, an unbelievable place. I mean, you see whales, you know, you see puffins, amazing nature, great trails, but it's the people. Like, it feels like it's stuck in an older time, a bit of a simpler time, you know, and people want to invite you in. And I think what it comes from is, someone told me, because these towns that you go to, they might have like 10 people in these towns. So, you know, because of that, I think you have to be kinder to your neighbor, right? Of course. If you run out of groceries, you can't just go to the store. So you've got to be kind and you've got to invite people in.

27:50And I just think that's so beautiful. It's such a beautiful thing to experience. You told me about a tradition called a screeching. Screeching, yeah. Yeah, you guys know, what is a screeching? Anyone know a screeching? Yeah, I heard, yeah. Yeah, we all got screeched in when we were there, which is, if you come from away, I think it's a bit of a tourist thing, but essentially if you come from away, it's a tradition to get screeched in. So basically, I'll try and explain it really quick. Is it like a bird town? No, no, no. So Newfoundland was discovered by this guy called John Cabot. He's an Italian traveller.

28:26He was commissioned by the English. When they found it, you know, he was just sent out west, the first place discovered on the North American continent, and hence the name Newfoundland. And the story goes that when they found it, he dropped a bucket into the water, and when he pulled this bucket up, it was just full of codfish plenty. Like, it was a gold mine for codfish. So they sent over the Irish and the English, and then they made it this huge fishing port, right? This fishing community. So, screeching in, sorry, it's a really long story, but we're getting there. No, no, we're learning. We're learning.

28:56We're learning. So what they did was they used all the cod and they would trade the cod for, like, rum and spices. So the story goes they loved these cods so much that when they would send their cod off to be traded, they would kiss the cod because they loved them so much. So they'd kiss the cod and they'd send the cod off. And in return, they'd get rum, I think, from Jamaica, and they would drink the rum. But the rum was so strong that when they'd drink the rum, they would scream and they would screech. They would let out a big screech. So that's where the rum screech thing comes from. Oh, screech.

29:25So when you go to Newfoundland, you basically... You can do it at a bar. You eat a bit of bologna, which I think you call bologna. In England, we call it spam, which sounds... Yeah. It's like, what is spam? Nobody knows. You kiss a codfish, and then you have a shot of screech, which is watered-down rum. Yeah. Yeah. Well, watered... And you brought this... And I did bring it for you, Jimmy. And it's right there. All right, explain this to me. Okay. We have... Yeah, yeah. Lovely. Look at this.

30:00Oh, there she is. She's... Do you smell that? The smell is coming off of this plate between the bologna and the fish. That is not a new codfish. That's not new, no, no. Vintage. Where did you get that? We got that when we booked you three months ago. All right, this is going to be rough. Okay, I'll guide you through it. Easy. First part, nice and easy. We just eat a bit of bologna. Oh, yeah, so do a bit of bologna. Yeah, bologna. Yeah, no, cheers. Cheers. Why are we eating bologna? So in Newfoundland, they call this Newfoundland steak. Apparently... Really? Uh-huh. Per capita, Newfoundlanders eat more Newfoundland steak or bologna than anywhere else in the world.

30:51Really? Hey, man. I really learned a lot. Yeah, I like bologna as well. Okay. So we ate the bologna. Now the fun part. Uh, you. Can I? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Oh! All right, Jimmy. It's frozen, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Come here. I go first? You go first. You're the best, Kev. Come on.

31:16All right, we together.

31:21Lovely. No, you do it. Me? Yeah. I've done it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. All right, I got to do the rub. I got to do the rub. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Before you do the rub, I got to... There's a line I have to say. So, I want you to try and guess what it says. So, this is a Newfoundland saying. Okay. And I will say to you, I'll say, Oh,

31:49no, no, no.

31:53Does anybody know that? They both seem too dirty that I can say really what it is. But... It means, yes, I am my old friend, and may your sails always catch wind. Hey, I love that. May your sails always catch wind as well. Charlie, I love just having you on the show. Thank you so much for this.

32:15I love it. Charlie Heaton, everybody. Below is streaming now on Netflix. We're talking to Patti Smith after the break. Stick around.

32:37Our next guest is a renowned performer, a rock and roll hall of famer, and a New York Times best-selling author. Her latest memoir, Bread of Angels, is out now in paperback. Please welcome the legendary Patti Smith!

32:59I want it over! Welcome back, Patti. It's always great to see you. Congrats again. I want to talk about Bread of Angels right here on paperback. But before we get into that, you did something very cool this summer that I want to show a picture of. You met the Pope. Giddy Patti Smith meets fellow Chicago legend Pope Leo and says, Hi.

33:29First of all, I just want to thank backstage they used a lint brush and I never looked so good. Thank you. They didn't make you. I didn't realize I had so much lint. They were like really working on it. They didn't make you kiss a codfish, did they? But you look fantastic. I was very fortunate, and he just... Were you giddy? Well... I've never seen you giddy, have I? Oh, I've been giddy a few times, but it's really, truthfully, he has a way about him that makes you feel like you're 10 years old, like he brings out your capacity for joy almost immediately. Wow. Where was he? Plus, he tricked me.

34:13He tricked you? Well, see, there's a couple of different rooms you go through, and there was one... I was with some people, and then I went on ahead and thought I was just going into an empty room, and I opened the door, and he was just standing there, and he went, hi! And I went, whoa! Just like that, and hid behind the door. You went on and hid behind the door. And I just, like, peeked out, and I... Because it's odd. It must be odd. You're the Pope! I didn't expect him to be there. No, you don't expect the... You can't hide. But he just... Then he just made me... It was just... I wasn't giddy.

34:50I was happy. I had, like, worked really hard. I'd been on a grueling tour. I had, you know, the world is so troubled. And, you know, he is such a... He's so strong, so globally empathetic. And you feel like you're in the presence of some... You feel a sense of hope. What did you talk about? We talked about, first of all, He told me he saw me on Colbert. And, um, sorry. But because I said... Yeah. I was like the other Pope. He was really, uh... No, but that's why on that show, I had, like, we were talking to Stephen, and I felt it was very professional, and I just went hi for a minute to him, just to break the, you know?

35:38And he thought that's why he did that. He wanted to... Oh, he did a callback. Yeah, he got me at my own game. I mean, he's an American pope. Yeah, he was... Did you talk about religion? No, no, it wasn't like that. We talked about... I mean, he's, like I said, globally empathetic. We talked about young people all over the world. He's concerned about young people, their trials, all the challenges they have in our world, and what we each can do to better guide them, have some responsibility, be a good example. And, you know, he's aware that he is his position. We all have different positions, and all of us can do our part.

36:21But I just... You know, you feel a sense of common spirituality, but I didn't feel any, you know, religiosity or dogma or anything. It was really, what can we do for our young people? And we did talk about baseball a little. Yeah, you have to. Chicago. I like the Cubs. He likes the White Sox. And I said, I'm not converting even for you. Good for you. Stick to your guns.

36:53A really fine, such a fine man. I feel very privileged to have spent time with him. Yeah, so fun. Two legends there. I want to talk about Bread of Angels here. And I also want to say, you're a photographer. you're a poet, you're a performer, you're in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but you don't consider yourself a musician. No, no. Actually, I always... I actually just like to be called a worker. Okay. Because I feel like, except for writing, which I really feel like I've worked so hard, it's my daily practice, I can call myself a writer. But as a musician, I know I'm a performer. I like to perform.

37:37I've written some songs. But musicians, that's their life. That's their daily practice. My husband was a musician. My son and daughter are a musician. I don't think like that. I don't think music when I wake up. I don't dream of music. It's not part of my daily practice. So I think it's wrong to call myself one out of respect to real musicians. But I am a performer. I mean, I'll take that. Yeah, you'll take that. You're a performer, yeah. I know how to do that. When did you know that you were good at writing or liked writing or had the gift? I've written since I was a kid. I was never a prodigy, though.

38:17I mean, I had to work hard. I mean, the last book, Just Kids, about Robert Mapplethorpe took 15 years to write. I just... Nonfiction doesn't come easily to me. But I work at it, and I feel that's the good thing. I got to live a much longer life than many of my friends. So being a late bloomer, I had the time to evolve, and now I can call myself a writer. You're an amazing writer. Amazing at a lot of things. The photo on the cover of the paperback, different from the hardcover. I always do that. I always like to make a different picture on the paperback. This picture was taken by my late brother's wife, And this is my little boy, Jackson, his little girl, Simone, and I was pregnant with my daughter, Jessie, who you saw backstage.

39:15I love Jessie, absolutely. So, yeah, you and Jessie go back a little. But so... And the little sailboat, we always say, is my husband. That's Fred. Aw. Is that... How did you pick this photo? You just... My, you know, sister-in-law, you would send it to Jackson because he's in the picture, and he sent me it on the phone, and he said, have you ever seen this picture? And I said, no, and I fell in love with it right away, and I was looking for a cover, and I really like on the paperbacks to pick pictures of, you know, sometimes a fan will give me a picture or a relative or a friend, because the hardcover was a...

40:02It's an artist. It's Robert Mapplethorpe's picture. Yeah. But now I have, you know, a person who is dear to me just snapped it at a very optimistic time. I mean, in this picture, my brother was alive. My husband was alive. And so there was so much hope. I was pregnant. I had just written People of the Power. I mean, it was a really good moment. So I thought it was a nice, hopeful picture to put on the cover. It's a great photo. And it is a fantastic memoir. And you're always the best guest. I love you so much. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you, everybody. Hopefully, the Pope sees this.

40:40Pope, if you're watching, Patti Smith, everybody. Brand of Angels is out now in paperback. More tonight or after the break. Stick around.

41:05My thanks to Kerry Russell, Charlie Heaton, Patti Smith! Well done. And the Roots right there from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Good night, everybody. Thank you.

41:34I want your pistol dynamite. So. Work, work, work, work, work, work, work. Pull them down. Going on, y 'all. Going on. Let's get it, man. Work, work, work, work, work, work, work. Yeah, baby.

42:06Get it, go! Get it, go! Get it, get it, go! Get it, do it! Do it!

42:23Say it! We'll be right back.