Breaking News: Russia Will Nuke Germany & the UK if Ukraine War Continues, Warns Top Putin Advisor

29:39So as you listen to the interview, and we hope you listen carefully, because the English which is not flawless, and it was done over satellite from Moscow, so it's not the best audio, but it's worth listening. That man that you're going to hear has a long track record of calling events right. And it's not to detract from his powers of perception or his intellect, which is formidable, to say other people could have drawn the same conclusions because it's pretty freaking obvious. If you exclude Russia from NATO, you're probably seeking a war with Russia. And if you try to put nuclear-armed missiles on Russia's border, you're probably going to get a military response.

30:17That's exactly what he said. And, of course, he was laughed at in Europe, where he'd spent a lot of his life. And he was totally ignored by the United States. And our policymakers were on to this, that, or the other thing. They were not paying any attention at all. And to the extent they were, they were very excited for this war with Russia. And they never really explained why. and then once that war began four years ago they began to act through their proxy the ukrainian government under zelensky truly a proxy in a war that has been managed from day one in part by the cia our cia targeting by the cia anyone tells you that's not true is lying they begin to act with not just recklessness but extreme recklessness the kind of behavior that suggests you don't care about the consequences at all.

31:05You're just all in. Actually, at some point, the kind of behavior that suggests a death wish, that suggests, like, I actually want a nuclear holocaust. I'm happy to risk the lives of my family, my nation, and the world in a nuclear exchange. And we know that because of what they did. They blew up Nord Stream, which was the main source of natural gas for Europe. So that did two things. One, it destroyed the European economy. That was obviously going to happen. And it did. Because you can't have a robust economy, certainly not a manufacturing economy, without cheap energy. Without cheap energy, you're left with what?

31:47Real estate and finance. And of course, the people making these decisions are familiar only with real estate and finance because that's the world they live in. But in the real world, countries become rich and powerful and stable and resilient because they make things. So that's the first thing. We blew up Nord Stream so that destroys our supposedly closest allies in Europe, particularly in Germany. Germans hate themselves so much they won't even admit that we did it, but we did it through proxies, but we did it as we said we would. And the second thing that it did is send a very clear message to Russia, we're done.

32:25we're not going to have a kind of Vietnam scenario where we have a proxy war but you know there are limits to our behavior yeah we'll spray Agent Orange but we're not actually gonna you know level Hanoi we'd bomb it on the edges but we're you know there there are limits to what we're going to do because we don't actually want to war with the Soviets American and NATO behavior since the beginning of this war suggest there are no limits at all blowing up Russian infrastructure trying to assassinate Putin repeatedly? They lie about it, but yes, they have. Yes, they have. The Ukrainian government has tried to assassinate Vladimir Putin multiple times.

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35:32Oh, but that's the problem. They don't consider Russia a great power. They're not a great power. You know what Russia is? Russia's a gas station with nuclear weapons. Watch this. I think economic sanctions are a very important step. Identify these kleptocrats. And look, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. It is a wounded and declining nation. It has an uncompetitive economy. Senator McCain used to joke that Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country. It's declining population, of course, contributes to its decline. We'll see a view of Putin. Look, I think he's got grand ambitions.

36:17I think he's hostile to the United States. But I think the thing that we've seen is he doesn't have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions. And so he's basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons. If the president could rally the world to push back against Russian aggression and really hit them economically, have sanctions that hit really hard, then Putin is basically a gas station masquerading as a country. There's really nothing more embarrassing. And as someone who knows all four of the men you just saw say that, you pause and you think we are a great nation. This United States, we're a great nation.

36:52And we should be led, in particular, policies that matter that could determine whether your children live or die should be led by great men. men with wisdom above all, restraint, a sense of longitudinal interest, it matters what this looks like in 100 years, that should be part of the calculation, and knowledge and lived experience. And none of those four men you just saw, all four of whom have been major players in formulating US foreign policy over many decades, none of them meet any of those criteria. These are weak, unwise in the case of John McCain though very charming I will say low IQ people.

37:31True. That's just true. They don't know anything. So you could say everything about Russia I found repulsive. Everything about it offends my sensibilities as an American. That's fine. People feel that way. But you can't dismiss it as a gas station with nuclear weapons because that reveals you as ignorant. Because it's the opposite of that of course. On a cultural level the country that produced Tolstoy and Dostoevsky more than a gas station. But it also suggests that you are doing the one thing you can never do with an adversary, and that's underestimate his power and resilience. You have to see the people you're in conflict with clearly, or you will get hurt.

38:17That's the real risk here. Not just you'll act like the ugly American, you're a buffoon. They're a gas station with nuclear weapons. What a clever line. I heard that from my donor. I'm going to repeat it. I meet the press, which is exactly what the poor DeSantis, doesn't know anything, was doing, trying to sound statesmanlike. Oh, I just heard this. Gas station, nuclear weapons. Oh, so good. You know, you reveal that you're just a rube. Go back to Orlando. But it's more than that. You can wind up way over your head. And we are now way over our heads because of that attitude. lindsey graham who to his credit has been around he's been everywhere lindsey graham has still not picked up the one quality you hope that travel instills in a person which is wisdom zero and there's a particularly sad line at the end of the clip you just saw from lindsey graham where he said if just we can make our sanctions tough enough we just need tough sanctions and that will bring Russia to its knees.

39:18Well, we did that, actually. But who got brought to his knees? Was it Russia? No, it was not. It was us. One of the saddest things this country's ever done is sabotaged its own currency over time. But if you were to isolate a moment where the U.S. dollar's future became dim, it would have to be in the Biden administration's immediate response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That was the moment that we kicked Russia out of Swift. We just stole the personal property of people who didn't work for the Russian government, the so-called oligarchs, which just means businessmen. Just took their stuff because they had Russian names and prevented Russians from playing in international sporting events.

40:05You can't be at Wimbledon. There's an OV at the end of your name or whatever. So we humiliated ourselves, of course, by behaving. Who behaves like that? but we also sabotaged our own core interest, which is the maintenance of the U.S. dollars, the world's reserve currency. That's the key thing that we have. It's not our manufacturing base that makes us rich. Sorry, wish it was. It's the U.S. dollars, the privilege of holding the currency that say energy transactions are conducted in. Everyone has to use dollars. It's called the petrodollar. Been there since 1971. You tamper with that and the bills come due and you become poor.

40:42and then all the downstream effects of poverty, which include violence, by the way, and chaos. That was the single most unwise thing any administration has done in my lifetime, 56 years. That was the dumbest thing. It was the most self-destructive thing. So what was gold trading at? Do you remember? If you've got a phone in your hand right now, look it up. What was gold trading at? Just say February 1st, 2022. $1 ,700 an ounce, which is high. It was high. You check gold prices today, the spot price of gold today, it's about$4 ,600 per ounce. Has the S &P grown that much in four years? No. Has anything?

41:27No. Why gold? Is there some new industrial application for gold? No. There are some, but not really. people are buying gold as an option to the u.s dollar gold is what you buy when you want out of the dollar because you don't believe it has a bright future you dump your treasuries and you buy gold and the people who actually understand the system because they made it and participated in it and are its biggest players are doing that china is doing that now why in 2026 would you dump treasuries, which they have, a lot of treasuries, and buy gold, the most primitive medium of exchange. Like the Assyrians use gold.

42:11Gold? Only superstitious people buy gold. Not making the case that there's some inherent quality in gold that makes it valuable. I'm making the case that compared to what? You're doing that because you believe the U.S. dollar is unsafe. And why do you believe that? because the U.S. government just used it as a political weapon against a great power. That's why. Anybody could have figured this out. And the second thing that happened almost immediately is that Russia formed a durable alliance with China. Now think about this for a second. Donald Trump, to his great credit, used to say this. The worst thing Biden ever did was drive Russia into an alliance with China.

43:01Why is that the worst thing? Because here you have the largest economy in the world, which is China, and you have the largest resource density in the world and the biggest country in the world, which is Russia, combining against you. So I think by anybody's count, there are four really kind of major players in our near to long term future globally, and they are the U.S., Russia. It's more than a gas station with nuclear weapons. Sorry. India and China. Now, who knows where India is going to land? But if you've got Russia and China against you, it's tough. That's only not unipolar. That's like an actual threat to your interests.

43:43That's an actual threat to your... Don't allow that. The reason Richard Nixon flew to Beijing 50 years ago, 55 years ago, and met with Chairman Mao, who, by the way, was a lot more of a monster than Putin's ever thought of being, was not a Christian, unlike Putin, killed 100 million of his own people. Richard Nixon flew there anyway and, quote, opened up China, made an alliance with China. Why? To split it from Russia. Because he understood that was the threat. The bloc, the alliance of countries that don't share our interest is a massive threat to us. And to the dollar. He did that. And it worked for like 50 years.

44:21Until Joe Biden, with the help of the U.S. Congress, probably the largest collection of unwise cowards in the english-speaking world got together and decided that they could levy sanctions against this country which they deemed bad for reasons they never really explained except russia reacted to their provocations and went over a border that no one can find on a map because of that we needed to act and do something because we're winston churchill not neville chamberlain and everything's about world war ii and we need to stop Russian aggression by the way we were on Russia's side during World War II but shut up you're not supposed to know that and we're going to punish them not by actually joining the Ukrainian military and putting our lives on the line because hey we've got better things to do than go die in someone else's war but we're gonna sanction them very tough sanctions despite the living proof that not only do sanctions not work they are counterproductive to the stated aims and if that's untrue what happened in Cuba exactly which got sanctioned in about 1960 oh Raul Castro was still alive and still has power in that country the country's gotten poorer don't think Raul Castro has they don't work they have the opposite effect and by the way they are dishonorable and feline they're a weak man's form of diplomacy when Lindsey Graham is running around pretending to be tough, the man with the size five shoe is telling you he's the man on the scene, you know what you're watching is pantomime.

45:50It's acting. You're watching a weak man pose as a strong man. And the decisions that he makes reflect that. That's why they all love sanctions. But in this case, in this specific case, sanctions shafted the United States. And I think it's worth saying that out loud. So our grandchildren looking back on this time and asking, why don't we live like our grandparents did can assign appropriate blame. Sanctions did not punish Vladimir Putin. They punished the United States and they completely destroyed Europe, which is where our ancestors came from and where our religion comes from. So it's not a small thing.

46:27But they didn't work. And by the way, neither did the military action that we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paying for in Ukraine, a military action that was never designed to liberate Ukraine, but to beat Russia, whatever that means. How can you beat a cohesive ancient empire? Probably can't. When this country was founded 250 years ago, Russia was an empire. It's not like us, okay? Russia will be here. We know that, whether you like it or not. So deal with it in a constructive way. But they couldn't. And so once the war got rolling and it became really, really clear that we had lost, Oh, we haven't lost?

47:10What are you, a Putin puppet? Okay, really simple metric. Putin rolls across the border into Ukraine, Ukraine, really just like a satellite of the United States and the Biden administration, but rolls into this supposedly different country, and we can't get him out. no matter how many hundreds of millions of dollars we send them and how many bio labs we have there no matter how many threats i'm cia officers we send over there to do the targeting of the drones still there and they're not leaving so what does that leave you with well again i would refer you to not the smartest foreign policy strategist we have but certainly the most cable friendly Lindsey Graham.

47:53Watch this. How does this end? Somebody in Russia has to step up to the plate. Is there Brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stoppenberg in the Russian military? The only way this ends, my friend, is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country a great service and the world a great service. I'm hoping somebody in Russia will understand that he's destroying Russia and you need to take this guy out by any means possible. Yeah, I hope he'll be taken out one way or the other. I don't care how they take him out. I don't care if we send him to The Hague and try him.

48:33I just want him to go. Yes, I'm on record. Please understand, Senator Lindsey Graham, if John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing, I think. It's time for him to go. He's a war criminal. I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in the 30s Live by the sword, die by the sword Do you really want to call For the extrajudicial murder of another head of state? Is that a precedent you want to live with? Probably not, actually Probably not And if you're a country that believes in the rule of law Pretty shocking thing, really For a lawmaker to say Well, just assassinate him It's just a tool of foreign policy no we're not Israel we don't conduct foreign policy through assassination actually we shouldn't apparently now we do is that okay with people you don't like someone so you just kill them if those are the rules we will have we will have to live with those rules and you don't need a particularly powerful imagination to envision how that ends and not well at all so if you're going to be a beacon of freedom be one and call the just to account and don't punish the innocent which is why sanctions are not only ineffective but also immoral but moreover if you're waging a war against a country we've been at war with russia for four years despite what the liars tell you we have been at war with russia for four years probably not a good idea to admit that you're losing on television which is what lindsey graham just did we have no choice but to take him out and third it's probably unwise to admit that you know nothing about the country that you are fighting that you're obsessed with taking putin out will solve the problem putin is an absolute dictator he's dictatorial that's for sure you probably want to walk by the kremlin and give him the finger he'd probably be punished for that but does he have absolute control over russia does any leader of any country ever have absolute control over the country did stalin no he consulted with the constituencies in his country they all do every one of them our president every emir in the gulf every king sultan potentate head of the ccp everyone's got a board of directors in this world everyone and putin is no different and Putin again like every head of state is balancing a bunch of different shareholders every single day got the FSB and then divisions within the FSB got the military you got the business community the oligarchs as we call them very different from our oligarchs who were just tech CEOs they're oligarchs but everyone's got a piece of this enterprise they call Russia and everyone gets a say and no head of state acts unilaterally so the idea that you take Russia out and everyone just gives up oh Putin's gone we can I don't know turn it over to Zelensky is ridiculous and only somebody didn't understand how the world works would say something like that so what's the point the point is exactly what we've seen in a lot of other countries Iraq Syria, you hope not Iran, but likely cause chaos.

51:58Because in chaos, I can dominate and I can steal. And the people who are paying me to have these views, a lot of them are exiled Russian oligarchs who Putin kicked out, could get back in there and scoop up the resources. There's no reason Putin should control all the bauxite in Russia or whatever, all the oil, all the gas, all the gold. We should. So create chaos in this country, the biggest country on earth with 150 million people in the largest nuclear arsenal and all get rich. And even if you signed up for that program, which you shouldn't because it's disgusting, but let's say you did think that was a good idea, part of your reptile brain would start beeping red, alert, alert, alert.

52:43That's really reckless because I can't control what happens next. There are too many nuclear weapons in this country. they have massive military industrial power. They make a lot of weapons. They make a lot of steel. They have a lot of cheap energy. There's a real place. And it's got a huge Muslim population, 20%, and they're kind of peaceful now. Will they be? These are the kind of things an adult would ask himself before calling to knock off a head of state. You could destroy the world. But they haven't asked themselves those things because they don't care. And above all, they are unfit for leadership of the West.

53:21And that includes our foreign policy establishment, and it includes virtually every single head of state in Europe. And for that, they are on the cusp of being eliminated, literally. And I'll just speak for myself and say, I really hope that doesn't happen. Yes, Keir Starmer's a joke, of course. He's an insult to our ancestors, if you're English. He's an insult to our ancestors and to that nation. Of course, Macron is ridiculous. Germany, But do you want to see them destroyed? And according to Sergei Karnogov, they're very close to being. So with that, watch this interview and ask yourself, why is this not on the front page of every paper?

54:09Why is this not on the lips of every European and every American? Because it's entirely real. Here's the interview. Mr. Karnogov, thank you very much for joining us. How do you believe this war will end? This war could and should be ended only when Russia achieves total defeat of Europe, hopefully without eliminating Europe. We are fighting not Ukraine, not Zelensky and the like. Now, we are fighting again, Europe, which has been the source of all ills and all sources of evil in the history of humanity, of two world wars. Europe has been several times invading us. Last time it was open in 1941-1945, when 95 % of European countries came here under the banner of Hitler.

55:24Now, unbelievably, after all their defeats, they haven't learned the lesson. they're still pushing for a big war. I think, I mean, the reason is obviously that it's total failure of modern European elites. But so when we talk about the end of this war, it's not about, I mean, doing away with the war in Ukraine, with the source of this war, and that is the evil Europe, which, by the way, sucked the United States several times into war, and which have been the source of the worst things in the history of humanity, including, of course, world wars, including racism, colonialism, and many other bad things, including now they have been the main source of the post-human values which they have been exporting.

56:33I mean, they partly polluted the United States. So now we are fighting that. They tried to pollute them. I'm not speaking about all Europe. I mean, there are many distant people and even countries there. But the question is that Europe is returning back to where it used to be during the last 500 years. And that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity. So what does it look like to defeat Europe? The war can't end until Russia defeats Europe, you said. What does that mean? For the time being, we are thinking about a peace deal, about an arses which has been offered by President Trump, in good faith or again until the will of European elites is not to continue confrontation now for the sake of saving themselves from from the old or covering up for the old mistakes they have now that war will not stop So I'm relatively skeptical as to the short time possibilities of a peace meal deal.

58:01However, of course, if we achieve something along the road and people will stop to be killed, well, the opportunity should be used. But I'm pretty sure that their problem is much deeper. And it is not Ukraine. It is not the landscape in whomever. It is that Europe is again returning to its worst. And that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity. why do you think i mean i think from an american perspective it's very obvious that european leaders are focused on russia in the in the big countries germany france great britain the leadership of all three countries is focused on russia as the threat why do you think that is No, it is very simple.

58:59I mean, I'm a founder of the Institute of Europe, and I used to be a Europhile 40 years ago. And then I learned them better, and I became highly skeptical. They are complete failures on all counts. I mean, moral, political, economic, etc., Europe is going down. Also, they are unable now to exploit the world and to suck the rent from the world which they have been getting due to their military preponderance over the last 500 years. And that was stopped in the 60s and 70s, and they got into a deep crisis already. But at that time, I mean, for all kinds of reasons, Soviet Union collapsed. And they believed that their golden age would continue.

1:00:00But now, they understand that this golden age is finished. And they are desperate. They understand that they could not live on others' money.

1:00:16Also, they start to understand that they could not live on the cushion of US protection. Because the US is tired of them and they don't need it anymore. So there's a total desperation of this layer of globalist, quote-unquote liberal European elites. Also there, by the way, process of anti-meritocracy. I mean, never in the history of Europe have we had such a low level of intellectual capacities in the leadership of most European countries. Not of all, but of most. So Europe is basically out of gas. It's out of energy. It's dying. And so you're arguing that their leadership sees a defeat of Russia as the only way back.

1:01:22A continuation of what? At first they thought of the possibility of a defeat of Russia, which was, I mean, kind of a fantastic collusion. But still some people, because of their intellectual, quote-unquote, incapacity, were, and they are still talking about that. What is defeat of Russia? just if Russia comes ever close to a defeat, that would mean that Russia now would use nuclear weapons and Europe will be finished physically. So, I mean, it's simply impossible even to think about it. But they have been talking because they need a war to rationalize their stay in power, to rationalize their existence.

1:02:16And it is not about even defeat of Russia now. It is simply keeping on with the failing European Union, with the failing economy, with fading European positions in the world. everybody in the world now laughs at Europe, which used to be by the way, one of the core centers of world power. And now it's a joke. And of course I'm not speaking of all Europe. We know that there are decent Europeans, there are smart Europeans. Though in my class, political class of European thinkers and you're on foreign policy and defense, etc. etc. There's only one or two men or persons left. I wouldn't name them because that would jeopardize them in the eyes of the audience, but nobody else.

1:03:24I do not have any interlocutor, almost any interlocutor in Europe anymore. When you say everyone knows that the Russian government, if pressed, would use nuclear weapons against Europe. You mean that, is my question. And do you think that the Europeans understand that? Europeans, because they have been, first of all, intellectually degrading after the 1968 so-called student revolution, which killed most of European education. And because of anti-meritocracy of modern European democratic system, they do not understand or are unable to understand what is happening fully. And also they are entertaining what I call strategic parasitism.

1:04:31They believe that war will never come to their territory. They forgot about the war and that it's terrible because they have been their source of most wars in the history of humanity. But now they are not afraid. So now one of the tasks of Russia, in addition to all others, is to bring them to census, hopefully without using nuclear weapons, only with the threat. of their use, and I'm criticizing my government of being too prudent and too patient with them. But sooner or later, if they continue to support this war, sacrificing new millions of Ukrainians and others, the Russian pursuit of legendary perseverance will thin, will go thin, and we'll have to punish them severely, hopefully in a limited sense.

1:05:49It's interesting that you say their leaders no longer fear nuclear weapons. You would think everyone would fear nuclear weapons given their destructive capacity. why would any person not fear the threat of a nuclear attack? Because, well, let's put this, we believe that they are like us, but they're not like us. They have had a total degradation of thinking class and of the ruling class. I mean when the Chancellor of Germany is talking about, I mean, recreating Bundeswehr to be the strongest army in Europe, what does that mean? That means that he dooms his country for elimination. I have been talking with Europeans through all, most of my adult life.

1:06:55I stopped doing that in 1930 when And there was a meeting of European leaders, in which I participated in, and I said that if you continue into this, your system, there will be a big war, and millions of Ukrainians will die. And nobody dared to look into my eyes. There were 70 or 80 people. Most of them, you know. they have degraded to the level that they are dangerous. Idiots. Or more idiots. Yes. Most. Not all of them. But most of them. You are quoted in one place saying they no longer fear God therefore they no longer fear war. How are those two related? Absolutely. I mean, they lost, well, not all, again, we are normal people.

1:07:59I mean, Europe has lost its core, moral, political, spiritual core. And now they, as you know, most of them have lost the fear, well, the trust in God. and they lost a normal losing most of their traits of the human. Europe is, under this leadership, or under this leadership, is becoming anti-European, in terms of historical European, and even anti-human. they have brought nazism which was anti-human etc now they have brought to us you have been infected with to this extent something absolutely anti-human loss of respect to his family love between men and women respect for seniors paternism etc.

1:09:18What is then Europe? And of course, trust in God. What is left? I mean, it is a moral hope. However, of course, I'm not speaking about all Europeans who are normal people. However, of course, I'm not unable to talk to them. I'm not able to talk to them because they are imagined. They are forbidden to talk to us. And if they talk to us, they are then called and summoned to the police or security services. So I have a lot of, still probably a lot of friends in Europe. But I did not have any contacts with them because they're banned, because they're elites from talking to us, because they're elites are preparing them for war, at least morally.

1:10:26though at least the same elites could not comprehend that if war a real big war is unleashed in Europe and a war sooner or later this war in Ukraine which we are waging with Europeans escalates a little bit of Europe thanks God we have changed our nuclear doctrine and recently our president and said he was very cautious and very polite. He's a very cautious and very polite man, but he said something very important. He said that if Europe continues and Europe gets into real direct conflict with Europe, there will be nobody in Europe to talk to. But I hope and I beg and I pray that he or us wouldn't have to make this decision.

1:11:22but as I've said before Europe is the source of the most evils and it returns to its worst times twice in the past roughly the past year the Ukrainians have tried to at least twice tried to kill your president President Putin that's my read of it why do you think they did that what's the thinking there Well, it is very simple. I mean, they're belligerent. I mean, some people believe that you could solve the problem of Russia by killing our president. Our president is, well, I have one problem with our president, he's too cautious. They do not take orders and he shows too much perseverance. I am criticizing him indirectly or sometimes even directly as in our conversation with you.

1:12:30But they simply want, of course they could not kill, it's simply noble hatred of people who have lost their minds. Well, the question, of course, of doing away with leaders of foreign countries is an American question, as you know. But they are pumping up hatred towards Russia like mad. I'm partly a historian. I must say that even Hitler's Germany, the level of anti-Russian propaganda, Russophobia was maybe weaker or at least equal to what is happening in Europe. What would happen if your president were to be assassinated by the Ukrainians or Europe or the United States? What would be the next step?

1:13:35Well, let's hope that would not happen. But then, of course, that would mean that we will punish,

1:13:51hopefully not the United States, but Europe will be taken away from the map of humanity. It should be pushed away from the geopolitical and the geostrategic math because it is a nuisance. I hope it will not be punished in the physical way. Though I am starting to say that these idiots do not understand anything but physical pain. And that's more later. We have to go after the escalation. And if they do not stop this senseless war and still in and around Ukraine, we would have to start to attack Europe with conventional weapons. And then next step will be waves of nuclear strikes. I hope we wouldn't reach that point because using nuclear weapons, any weapons is sin.

1:15:01But using nuclear weapons is a double sin and I don't want Russia to be that big a sinner. We have all our sins. But if needed, we have to eliminate the European threat to humanity. How far are we from Russia using nuclear weapons against Europe? Two years. Now, if they do, well, one year. Well, first of all, I've been calling on my government to escalate earlier. But President Putin is very religious and he's cautious. And we have been climbing up the ladder of escalation, changing our nuclear doctrine, lowering the nuclear threshold, building up our nuclear potential in Europe and else, but in the hope that we could stop them before crossing the threshold.

1:16:11As I've said, I think that Putin believes that using nuclear weapons, and I believe, by the way, is a sin. But it might be a necessary sin in order to save humanity. That's why I have been calling for limited use of nuclear weapons against Europe. Because otherwise, the world would drift into a third world war towards which Europeans are pushing all of us I mean they have already done that twice in history second in the United States you a couple of times saved them you Americans we once suffered but then saved them again but now they're back and with the old game we have to either to punish them or to help them to change their minds.

1:17:19I'm not calling for regime change, but if Europeans do not change these elites for more national oriented, for more responsible, they are doomed. And I hate this idea, because culturally I'm a European. Of course we are moving towards Siberia, or the North East, we're saying and sincerely that we are becoming a Eurasian nation, or returning back to where we belong to become the Eurasian nation. But the loss of Europe would be a pity. Before I ask you about what you think Russia should do relative to the rest of the world, become Eurasian rather than European, which it seems to be doing, if there were nuclear strikes from Russia into Europe in the next year or two, as you said there may be, what countries would that include?

1:18:27Well, we are online. So I have written that several times that it would strike Poznan. uh uh uh americans would never respond americans would never respond anyway uh but if we uh but and i hope the polls are becoming by the way more sensible they understand that they uh that they are playing with fire they're trying to retreat from the front lines of this conflict but my choice would be Britain and Germany you'd take out Britain and Germany with nuclear I beg almighty that wouldn't happen yes but Germany should be the first because Germany is the source of the worst in the European history. But I hope again, I have many German friends.

1:19:38I hope that it will be better. You, I think, just came back from Beijing. Certainly the ties between Russia and China are much, much deeper than they were four years ago. From an American perspective, the idea of a permanent Russia-China alliance is a threat to our future, it would seem. Is that alliance permanent? Well, for the time being, for the foreseeable future, it is a source of great strength both to Russia and to China and our Chinese friends understand that.

1:20:22But what will happen in 10 to 15 years, we do not know. So we are planning for all kinds of futures. But our best solution is to reach a world where four great powers will be working together for defining, I mean, the rules of behavior in the future world. These four powers are China, Russia, United States, and India. And that kind of configuration also means that we will, and we should, and we will, of course, balance the overall preponderance of China vis-a-vis Russia. But at this juncture, China is a fantastic asset. It is not a threat. But just in case, we should create this at least four-country system.

1:21:29Plus, we are building what we call Greater Eurasia. And that is a system of relationship where China will be balanced by major powers within Eurasia, including India, Persia, Turkey, and Russia, and others. But the Chinese, I mean, we talked with them sincerely about the necessity to balance them. It is hard for them to solve that, but they're starting to understand that it is in their interest to create a balance system of the issue within Eurasia. But worldwide, the United States should be a key player because without the United States, we will not succeed in dealing with the unbelievable problems we are facing in the coming years.

1:22:30Does Russia jeopardize its soul by leaving the West, given that it's an Orthodox country, its cultural legacy is Western? We are saving our soul. I mean, of course some of my compatriots would not agree with me, but let us remind you and me and others that our soul came from the East and from the South. We took Christianity from Palestine,

1:23:07and the Orthodox Church is the true Christianity because Catholics left at the beginning of their previous millennium. We parted with them, but still we, of course, were Christians, and we're brothers. We are very much an Islamic country, 20 % of our population. We also take it from the South. Then we have a strong Buddhist population. We also take it from the Southeast. And Judaism is also here an acknowledged religion. And the political system which we have built over years, we have inherited from the greatest empire of them all, from Genghis Khan Empire. But of course, many Russians would disagree with me, but it is simple truth.

1:24:11We are Asian Empire with a very strong European cultural influence, which we love and adore. We will never pass. But we are not Asian, we're not European, thank God. And we are now starting to acknowledge that because our European journey has been to, which Peter the Great started for, because of certain reasons, because we are backward in technological terms. It's over. It should have been over 150 years ago.

1:25:00It would have saved us from many troubles, including things like World Wars, communism, etc. But now we are parting, but hopefully keeping the traits of European cultural heritage which we share with you in our hearts and our minds. What effect, from your perspective, have Western sanctions had on Russia? Do you believe sanctions hurt Russia or helped? Oh, yes. I mean, we invited, I mean, I have been calling for a confrontation with us long before we, stopping, I mean, the expansion of NATO, et cetera, long before we decided. Of course, I mean economically wise, but strategically wise, politically wise, culturally wise, they have been a blessing.

1:26:00We have, with their help, we have invited fire, unfriendly fire on our own. We have done away the comprador elites. We have thrown away without any repressions the fifth call. we are returning back our Russian culture our Russian soul we are becoming Russians and the only problem with this war is that we have to pay for it with the lives of our best man but other than that they have been a blessing and I do not want them to be lifted. Of course, someone should be, so we have an operationship and we earn some additional money, but Russia, which is threatened is

1:27:06again a warfighting nation. We are a nation of wars and when we started to be attacked, even indirectly, now directly, then we return to our best. And that's why the country is experiencing unbelievable releases. The only problem is that we are losing investment. And that should be stopped. And that leads to my last question, Mr. Karganov, which is, you've described this as a war, a civilizational war between Russia and Europe. what role does the United States our administration, our president play in ending it? What can President Trump do to end the war? Americans were very crucial in starting this war because the whole problem started in early 2000s when American administration started to peddle to prop up the European issue because they were afraid of the possibility of building a continental alliance between Russia and Germany.

1:28:21So, in a way, Americans are also the source, have been a source of the problem. As to the Trump administration offer, I didn't like the offer which Mr. Trump offered because it doesn't solve the real problem. and the real problem is European hostility, European aggression. But for the time being, we should use this opportunity, if possible. And then, of course, we all know that President Trump is curtailed his internal affairs, And also, now we see that his offers are deluded by all kinds of efforts from within, by his allies. But if we could try for a while with his offer, maybe eventually we would end up with the solution of the problem.

1:29:33And that is the solution of the problem is, of course, as I've said, is Europe. However, I do not foresee that, unfortunately, that possibility. So even if we stop this war, we should be prepared when the war resumes to do away with the source of this war. And that is the hostility of European elites. And they are willing this to fuel warfare on the European subcontinent. But let's give Trump a chance. Although I am not sure whether he or we would succeed under circumstances. You know the international situation in the United States better. And also, by the way, we could not rely with all our respect to your president on him.

1:30:37He has a country behind him, which is deeply divided. He has a huge opposition. And then he's also playing full games. So I don't think, I hope we could arrange something. But we are watching very carefully the fact that presidential administration has abducted the leader of a big country. we are watching very carefully that American Marines are acting like pirates on high seas seizing tankers wearing Russian flags, Russian banners if that continues we'll have to go back to rough the terrors But we would like to have, if not cordial, but a good relationship with the United States and with other two great countries in the world.

1:31:56But we'll see whether he could deliver. I think he wants to deliver, but whether he's able is a big question. So we keep our fingers crossed. And let's be absolutely sure. We hope that he is sincere. But we do not trust American policies. And to a certain extent, his proposals look like a honey tramp.

1:32:33Because nothing happens. continue the war. Not talking about peace, peace, peace, peace. I mean, referring to God knows who, Zelensky, or other pigments in Europe who are blocking it. And it seems that this war is continuing, and maybe the United States in the end do not want to finish this war. So, over the end, we'll have to come back to the solution, which I have mentioned several times. And that is of starting to punish our European enemies with an understanding, hopefully, that the United States would, and knowing that they would refrain from participating in the nuclear war in Europe.

1:33:37I think it's important for American policymakers and the American citizenry, the country, to understand the Russian perspective. And I'm grateful that you gave it to us. Mr. Karganov, thank you very much for your time. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Thank you for me, too. Thanks very much for watching. We will see you next Wednesday.