Clayton Morris: Blackouts & Water Shortages, Tech Overlords Build AI Dystopia & Crush Resistance

22:25Like who's making these decisions and why? Do you have any idea? Why is every data center not being built on Lake Superior?

22:32Clayton Morris:Well, because the money. So just take, for example, I believe it's probably the money, but a lot of it is these data center buildouts now. Well, a couple of pieces. I'll take Quincy, Washington. I think it's an interesting sort of anecdote of a story. So the propaganda around Quincy, Washington is that data centers saved this town. Data centers came in, use the hydroelectric power here and the influx the tax basis now i think it was like three different centers that were built three different data centers the amount of influx of like a 56 percent increase in taxes flew into like quincy washington so they built 120 million dollar new school they built all new sewer infrastructure inside of quincy washington um parks uh water slide parks for the kids.

23:26Clayton Morris:Crime has dropped. And they blame it specifically on the data centers. So all of the money that flows into these communities from their taxes is exorbitant. So they don't want to turn away from this additional tax revenue in these communities. And that to me is always the money, right? That's at the heart of it. It's clearly the tax revenue that's coming in. The other piece of this is that I think these companies are telling I'd say they're telling lies, but they're certainly structuring these deals in a very interesting way, which is we're not going to pull from your resources. So we're not going to tap the electricity in your town.

24:09Clayton Morris:We're not going to tap the excess water. We figured that out, which is laughable because there's always the spillover effect of these things. It's not self-contained. But a lot of these new data centers being built profess to be self-contained, which is we're going to produce our own power. So you don't have to worry about it. So we're going to use these SMRs, these small nuclear reactors, these modular nuclear reactors. There's companies like New Scale Technology, which are, you know, exploding these like... And so Amazon can put a nuclear reactor at one of these data centers, a small nuclear one.

24:46Clayton Morris:We don't need to rely on Three Mile Island, which by the way is being revitalized right now in order to power data centers. I don't know if people recall the fund that happened at Three Mile Island. But so that's being revitalized right now for data centers. So they can build self-contained power, modular nuclear technology. The other story, and I was speaking to a source at Amazon, who it was just crazy to hear what their build out looks like right now. And said that when they go in, they're looking at like defunct coal plants or other power plants that are nearby these data centers. And if they can't get the power they need from the local community, they just buy up the coal-powered plant or the other power plants that were there.

25:39They buy them up and then they revitalize them,

25:42Clayton Morris:bring in a couple thousand people, build it out to a new energy complex. and then, oh, you think, oh, that's great. So now that coal plant that you're taking over, which is defunct, it closed three years ago or four years ago or 10 years ago under regulations and onerous regulations and so forth, you're going to revitalize it and then the community will benefit. No, no, no, no, no. They're going to get all the power. So they're not giving any of this power back to the community. The coal plants specifically, and the ones in Nevada and Colorado where Amazon is coming in and building these facilities, they're buying them up and revitalizing them and they're turning them into natural gas facilities so that it's far cleaner.

26:26Clayton Morris:They don't have to deal with the coal regulations and then they will use all of that energy. Oh, okay. So then it won't have an effect on the community then, right? So then energy prices won't have gone up in the community. Oh, no, no, no. In fact, the sources I've spoken to at Amazon said, absolutely, the energy costs will go up in those communities and they already have. So, but so they're self-contained. Why am I energy costs going up? It's because the spillover effect of it all and the grid capacity and everything else. So you're already seeing this across the country. People without data centers, even in their backyard yet, are seeing increases to their kilowatt hours, their per kilowatt hours, upwards of 12, 13, 14 % just in prices.

27:11Clayton Morris:We in Colorado have already seen prices skyrocket. even without the massive data center buildouts because it's future projections. So it's the auction process of electricity. So the future projections on the auction process believe that they will be over capacity. They believe and local communities are saying, expect blackouts. If I could, I'll give you an example. Homer City, Pennsylvania, Western Pennsylvania, near where I went to college out there, University of Pittsburgh and that whole area in Western PA. This is a really interesting anecdote because Homer City, their energy prices have already increased, but the data centers that have come in there have revitalized the old coal plants that are there and were shut down in 2023.

28:04Now they're building this massive Homer City energy complex on top of it, converting it to

28:11Clayton Morris:natural gas. But the people of Homer City don't get the benefit of it. They don't get any of that. It's going to go to the data center build out. And I think the mayor, the other members of the local city council have already seen those prices go up and have said that we will expect blackouts. This is Pennsylvania. This is in Texas where you get incredible heat waves. You know, you'll still get heat waves and things, but not like Texas or Arizona. So expect blackouts. Like over the next few years, our grid cannot handle this. And so the people of this area that live in the surrounding area can expect to see their homes affected by this and blackouts that will unfold in these neighborhoods.

28:56Clayton Morris:And again, that's Pennsylvania, Western Pennsylvania, nowhere near like Abilene, Texas or Arizona. So these things are very real for people. And the costs that will be passed on to the consumers where energy costs are already skyrocketing is very real. I know the Trump administration says, well, we're putting this cap on as part of this AI build out. We're putting this cap on it so that we're going to make these producers pay that. But there's no evidence that they are. We are already paying more for electricity. already. I don't know what it is for you in Maine, if you've seen it there, if you know what data center...

29:35Clayton Morris:Because it seems like I'm looking at the data center map in Maine as very minimal for build-outs from what I can tell. But so you have the future projections of costs of this energy build-out that are already affecting people.

29:52I mean, I guess I'm really... I'm struck by so many parts of the story, but the one that I'm fixated on maybe most is the total powerlessness of the people who live in this country to have any effect on any of this at all. Going back to what you said at the outset of the conversation about the Department of Justice targeting anyone who complains about this or tries to slow it down, have there been, I don't think most people are for this. I don't think people understand exactly what the purpose of it is. I don't think there's been much of an attempt to convince us that this will improve our lives, which is to say the technology itself, AI, data centers, is that, how is that good for me?

30:30How does it make this a better country for my kids? No one's spending any time trying to convince us that it is. It's all scaring the crap out of people, maybe for good reason, maybe not. I really don't know what the motive is. You talk to an AI person, someone developing AI, and they spend very little time telling you how this is going to cure cancer and a whole lot of time telling you how it may end humanity. So it's like, I don't really get what's going on here, but I know that people aren't for it. Has anybody had any success in protecting their own communities from destruction by this?

31:06Clayton Morris:I mean, maybe New York State is the only real story right now from a state level where you have the state now banning the buildout of data centers right now. So, and you have Governor Abbott in Texas, who is now putting a one-year moratorium on data center buildouts through an audit process. So, you have to prove your energy efficiency and all of that in order to be built out in Texas. But I also, I love the hypocrisy there. So, it's okay that we can have massive child trafficking operations happening right in the state of Texas and right under your nose and old Walmart facilities. and thousands of children being trafficked.

31:48Clayton Morris:But we're going to audit data centers. Abbott has overseen the total destruction of Texas. And that's, I don't, I'm not saying he's evil, he's just weak, but yeah, doesn't get the credit he deserves for that. But it'll be obvious in the next 10 years. But New York, I mean, so we'll see. I mean, I don't know, and I don't know what's going to happen in Texas. I mean, you have this Project Stargate project in Abilene, Texas, arguably one of the largest data center buildouts in the world in Project Stargate, one that President Trump has championed. So I wonder if there's going to be any pushback from the AI task force, if anyone speaks out against that in the state of Texas.

32:30Clayton Morris:But New York, and I don't know how much of this is, how much of this will continue, and will New York be like the state that says, we're done with data centers altogether, sorry, go someplace else? what will that look like? And I don't know. And I don't know if this will be rolled back pending some, hey, we now feel that they're self-sufficient. The power is self-sufficient. They don't need to rely on us at all for energy, for water. And they figured out the diesel generation backup so that it's not spilling off particulates and all of these other things. And now we can welcome them back to the state.

33:13Clayton Morris:And then you have governments, you have local governments like in the state of Georgia, of course, who are going after and using eminent domain to seize land just like you would to build a new highway, seize people's homes in order to build AI data centers. As President Trump, as part of these executive orders, he was explicit that this is a national security issue for the United States of America. So this is another big piece of this. And I don't think enough people are talking about what the Trump administration just did even just a few weeks ago with the FCC ruling. I don't know. Are you familiar with the FCC ruling?

33:49Totally ignorant, as usual. And I'm also confused as to why this is a national security issue. I don't even know what that means. I mean, China, China, China, China, China. But okay. How is it a national security issue? What are you talking about? Do you have any clue?

34:03Clayton Morris:So, I mean, I guess if you look at from a military perspective, to make sure that we have the AI infrastructure that can deal with the future of modern warfare, whether it's drone capabilities, robotics on the battlefield, it all comes back to war, of course. So to make sure that Palantir, you know, Palantir using AWS, it's not really public, but they really use a lot of Amazon Web Services as the back end of Palantir with their own sort of proprietary front end of all of this. Then you're building out all these new government data centers that Amazon is helping build. And what's interesting about these data centers that Amazon is building for the military or for the Pentagon or the CIA is you've got like eight layers of security in these facilities.

34:47Clayton Morris:so that even if President Trump wanted to go through them, he has to go through like eight layers of like, you know, bioscanning. And I don't know, it's like the movies where you walk through a corridor and one door opens and scans your eyeballs. Get smart, yeah. Yeah. So like eight layers of this stuff in these facilities. And Amazon builds this for the CIA and others. And as they get to a certain level of the build out, they basically hand the keys over to the guys on the inside and they say, we'll take it from here. And so then Amazon's like, Like, okay, we built, you know, now if you call us, if you need us, and that's how this operates.

35:22Clayton Morris:And so they will only come back, I've learned, if there's like some sort of massive power outage or something like that, they have to come back in. But otherwise, it's like the CIA then runs these facilities. And by the way, some of these facilities are being built kind of in plain sight, but inside of other facilities like Veterans Affairs Buildings. So you think, oh, that's a Veterans Affairs Building. But inside is a hidden operations data center inside of some of these facilities that I've learned as well, which is interesting. So a lot of these government buildings, you think on the outside are one thing, an IRS building, but on the inside is a hidden data center for monitoring its citizens.

36:02Clayton Morris:So national security, the idea that we don't want China to have this AI layer for all of the data collection that we're doing in the United States, whether it's flock safety. I know that's the most like kind of public facing one right now, but that data goes somewhere and it goes through AWS. It goes through Amazon Web Services the same way that Palantir does and all of it. And it needs to be stored somewhere. So it needs to be stored in these massive facilities, whether it's Nevada and other places. And all of this data that's being collected on Americans from, you know, phone calls to email, everything that they're using to scan and track us at this moment.

36:40Clayton Morris:And so they don't want China involved in this, of course. And that's the outwardly facing enemy. We don't want to use, we don't want any of their models, their AI models. We want to use our own models that are helped inside the United States and funded by the United States government or in part with large grants and so forth. So that's like the national security piece of this. So about a week ago, there's a story that really didn't get much attention, but it's huge. And it's going to further bring more AI, build out an infrastructure into the United States in a huge way. And that is the FCC's ruling on hardware.

37:23Clayton Morris:Basically, the components for robotics cannot be built outside of the United States. So 65 % of the component parts and your humanoid robots or robotics need to be built within the United States now. Well, Elon Musk, I mean, and Tesla and Optimus, like that's a huge, they're gonna have to shift dramatically so that now instead of the most of it being built in China, most of it will need to be built in the United States. Actuators, fingers for robot, all of that stuff needs to now be built in the United States, 65 % of it. So that's another big piece of this war right now over AI between China.

38:02Clayton Morris:That's going to increase though to over 80 % by the year 2030. So that ruling is like, hey, get your stuff figured out now at 65 % because it's going to go up to 80%. So all of this stuff will be built in the United States, or at least presumably it'll be built in the United States. And then this AI layer inside the United States is just going to grow. So speaking to sources at Amazon, they're built out. They are sold out. This blew me away. They are sold out for eight... If I wanted to redacted news, my little crappy show, if I wanted to build an AI data center, or even just use a part of compute with Amazon Web Services for my show or something, or you wanted to do it with the Tucker Carlson Network or something, Amazon is sold out through 2030 for capacity.

38:54Clayton Morris:We want a portion of this data center to be devoted to whatever. sorry, we're sold out through 2030. And we don't have enough capacity now. And we have projected to be building out thousands of additional data centers in the next few years. So when I said at the beginning, we're not even at the beginning of this. And people are already talking about a bubble and this. No. And there's so many other pieces to this. I'm sorry, I'm just kind of rambling here. But all these ideas kind of fly into my head about how crazy this is because there's so many pieces of this. You got the robotics piece of this.

39:26Clayton Morris:you have the information layer then you have like the factory piece of this then you have the efficiency piece of this inside of these factories then you have just the actual infrastructure to build out all of these different data centers and then all of the companies surrounding those build outs like this blew me away I don't know if you've heard of United Rentals have you heard of this company? No. It's just one example. So when you think about Amazon goes in and builds a new data center, well, or Meta or Google or whomever, they hire... They don't come in there and change the community and thousands of people get jobs.

40:08People come in for about 18 months at most and they leave.

40:13Clayton Morris:So it's kind of like the Gold Rush or St. Elmo's in Colorado ghost towns. They come in, they do what they need, and then they leave. So they hire these companies to bring in Caterpillar earth digging machines. And United Rentals is one of those companies. And they've got now sites in 1 ,000 different locations. So, hey, United Rentals, we're building out a data center in Reno. Do you have a location nearby you can bring earth diggers, movers, generators, backup generators, all of that? Yep, we got you down. And so then they'll come in and bring all that equipment, build it out, and then it leaves.

40:46Clayton Morris:That's just one piece of the puzzle. Then you've got like the porta-potties companies. You've got so many pieces of this build-out that's happening. And so people are like, well, it creates jobs temporarily. And a lot of those people come in for every job. They're not creating new jobs every time. They just go to a location and they go to the next location. So not creating new jobs. And these data centers really only employ at the most around maybe 50 people. And even that number is dwindling. so sorry there's just so many pieces of this that it's it's like there's and there's just like a lack of information out there about it and it's i just find it's just so fascinating and frustrating and terrifying all at the same time and maybe also a little bit silly i mean this is happening so fast and as you've pointed out it's so complex and but it's also so expensive that you have to ask like well what is this i mean it's an effort obviously to snap the control grid into place and, you know, eliminate dissent.

41:45Got it. It's an effort to stay on par with China. Got it. But it's also an investment opportunity for a lot of people. And it's the last hope of states like California, which have been completely hollowed out. I mean, the tax base in California is like disappearing. And so their hope is that AI is going to hit. This is all going to be incredibly profitable and they'll be able to keep their wealth or state afloat. Is this a good bet from a business perspective or is it a bubble? And if it's the former, how exactly does it make money? I don't understand that part of it. Where's the revenue coming from?

42:21Clayton Morris:Yeah, no, this is a great question. And so when people say we're in an AI bubble, they don't know what they're talking about, I believe. Right. When Mark Cuban says, you know, we're building out so many of these data centers and we don't need them and they're going to be turned into pickleball courts, I believe he doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't think from every source I've spoken to, we're nowhere. We're not even at the beginning of this. And the demand for compute is off the charts from different companies. So I don't know what he's talking about. Like these are going to be converted to pickleball courts.

42:53Clayton Morris:I think if anything, my theory, my theory is that these are going to be turned. Eventually we don't need them. These because they're cement and steel, these are going to be turned into for-profit prisons. That's just my theory. Just throwing it out there. They're out in the middle of nowhere. They'll be converted and we need them badly. Of course, the Trump administration loves the for-profit prison system. So I just think that that's a perfect transition, not pickleball courts. But anyway, so right now we're at the beginning of this and I was going through earnings reports trying to find over the past few weeks.

43:30Clayton Morris:the reason I say we're at the beginning of this, because I have not seen yet from companies on their earnings reports where they have pointed to the AI build out in their factories equaling a percentage of revenue to answer your question. There's very few of them right now. But I believe that that wave is coming. So I think, and I'm not being hyperbolic about it, I really believe that the wave is going to end. That will increase the demand 100 times. There are a few companies that have now said in some earnings in small measure, their AI buildout has increased revenue. So I'll give you an example.

44:13Clayton Morris:There's like an outdoor furniture company. And I was going through their reports. And they were explaining that with their AI layer that they built in, they were able to bunch furniture together in a certain way that was more aesthetically pleasing at their stores. I don't know exactly. And they were able to increase revenue. It also increased the proficiency of their sales associates. So it didn't cost jobs. It actually increased their sales associates proficiency by like 82 % they claim, leading to about a 15 % increase in revenue. Might have the number slightly different, but you get the point.

44:49Clayton Morris:They've been doing something the same way for 30 years. And then suddenly they add in this like AI efficiency layer and suddenly they've increased their revenue by 15 % without, they didn't hire anybody new. They didn't build a new factory or new warehouse. They just like bunched furniture together in a certain way that like increased something. Another company, I was looking at their earnings. They claimed that with the scrap metal that they were able to save, They put in an AI efficiency layer in their metal processing facility in their factory. And when it would chop off pieces of metal, that would usually lead to about$129 million in wasted scrap.

45:34Clayton Morris:But by putting in this AI efficiency layer, they were able to save almost all of that. Like saving hundreds of millions of dollars in non-having wasted scrap metal. So these are like small little anecdotes from like a few companies that have maybe shown some initiative with AI. And so if we see huge increases in efficiency and revenue, game over. There's no bubble. You know, like with the dot-com bubble, there were people building like fake websites. You know, they didn't have anything. There was like nothing there. It was like fake. And there were so many greedy people who were building all these like fake websites.

46:15Clayton Morris:I remember it well, like pets.com, you know, all these whatever. And it was all just fake. It was all greedy people. And so I don't know. I mean, I'm just going to say, I don't know. I don't know if like this is all greed or if these companies who've been doing something a certain way for 50 years in their warehouse, suddenly they add in like this AI efficiency layer and their revenue increases by 20%. Maybe they don't fire anybody. Maybe they actually hire more people. I don't know exactly. So anyone who says they know is, I just, I don't know. Maybe Elon knows. He seems to know. I just, yeah, and I'm the last person who would know.

47:00I'm happy to admit that. But whenever I see lemming-like behavior, I suspect the cliff is near. Whenever every midwit you run across is saying the same thing about the future, I generally bet that's not what the future is going to look like. But maybe I'm the midwit. But I have noticed all of a sudden when the guy from Shark Tank is talking about stuff he doesn't understand, the future is data centers. I'm like, I think the future is probably not data centers. But who knows? Maybe I'm just reactionary.

47:34Clayton Morris:No, can I say this? I think the future is human connection. So I think one of the, I'm always a glass half full kind of person. I think one of the benefits of this, despite all of its downsides, is the human interaction layer. And you're already seeing it, actually. Restaurants are reporting that like, young people are coming in, they're not drinking. Number one, they don't drink alcohol. And they're coming in, they're bringing like a stack of like playing cards and they're just hanging out all night like or a board game they're bringing scrabble you know and they're not and they don't bring their phones at all and they just come in and are together and i think there's going to be an insatiable desire for human interaction with this explosion of ai call it slop call it fakery whatever you want to call it i think there's going to be a really an insatiable desire for human connection and human interaction and human content.

48:34Clayton Morris:You know, people to be able to say, I'd rather watch Tucker's show because it's real human beings having a conversation than the fake AI generated garbage that, you know, maybe Hollywood is putting out. So, you know, I think that's one maybe benefit is that among young people, you're seeing this shift. And I hope that that's the case. I don't know. No, I'm just more troubled about how this is going to affect young people than anything. I see my kids. My son just turned 16 and he's going to go into the trades because so many of these jobs are just being taken by AI. And they will be. And if you don't think that that's the case, you're fooling yourself.

49:15Yes. I know all these Wall Street types, the Shark Tank types are like, this is going to create way more jobs.

49:20Clayton Morris:And we don't know. Maybe they're right. and maybe there will be so many jobs created to help the AI efficiency layer or help the robots, you know, help the robots and all of this piece of it. I don't know that there's any evidence that that's true. I think most of the jobs that you can name, you can title yourself, I'm an accountant, I'm a pilot, I'm this, I'm that, are going to be replaced by AI. I mean, at what point soon will FedEx all of their aircraft be run by AI instead of pilots. Or maybe because of a pilot's union, there'll be one pilot on board just to oversee the AI. But certainly won't be two.

50:01Clayton Morris:Certainly won't be three. So if you're thinking about becoming a pilot, like when my son was, he's kind of like stepped back from that because you're not going to make any money on that and you're not going to be able to... Those jobs are going to disappear. You're already seeing it in the military. It's already happening. So going into the trades, I'm just concerned with my kids, you know, like, so my son going into electrical engineering and learning how to work with his hands and be able to do something meaningful. You know, I don't know. It's a scary time. I'm just really worried about the cognitive offload too for children.

50:37Clayton Morris:Yeah, I brought up the, I don't know if you remember that study back in, it was like 2011, that Google, the Google effect study. and you know it was the idea how much are we outsourcing search and other things to google instead of doing it ourselves and the sort of idea of search offload or cognitive offload and i'm sure you do it i know i do it it's like oh if i know i can just search for it and find it then i don't need to store it up here yes you know it's like the socrates it's like what uh Socrates and Plato. Socrates being worried about we won't be able to remember things because we're going to write everything down.

51:21Clayton Morris:And the only reason we know that is because Plato wrote it down. But anyway, so that was the fear on the Google effect side. Now it's really transitioned to something else entirely with AI beyond just, oh, I don't need to remember it because I can search for it later and Google will just surface that one page. But even with that, you had to go and do the research yourself. You had to click on the link. You had to read the book. You had to synthesize the information. You had to organize your thoughts. You had to reason. You had to write it down. So I can just think about college for myself, just having to get like five or six books on the topic.

52:03Clayton Morris:I remember writing a whole report on vanilla in Latin America. and I had to go to this special library at the University of Pittsburgh's campus that you had to go under like lock and key because these were old rare books from like 150 years ago and had to sit in that library. I couldn't take them out because they were rare and I had to do all of this research on vanilla and all of this in Latin America. And after reading these like four or five books, I had to write, I had to synthesize my thoughts. I had to organize my thoughts, which I'm not very good at. It's something I've struggled with my whole life, but I've gotten better at it because I've been forced to do it, to write essays, to write, to reason, to think, to put all of these things down in an argument or a narrative, become a better writer just by writing over the years, and then present my paper, and then get a C on the paper.

52:52Clayton Morris:It's pretty normal for me, or get a B. But now kids are just outsourcing that fully. It's the cognitive offload, where they're saying, hey, I'm in eighth grade, So write me a paper as if an eighth grader wrote it about the fall of the Roman Empire. And don't make it sound like AI. So no amount of research. Forget the Google effect. Now it's, you're going to do all the research for me. You're going to synthesize everything. You're going to organize everything. And then you're going to present it and I'm going to turn it in. And so what these studies have found recently is that kids are actually doing really well with their projects using AI.

53:35Clayton Morris:And they're turning in like great work. But then when they're tested on it, they fail because they have no memory of having done any of the work. They didn't sit in the library and research vanilla all afternoon drinking, you know, big gulps. They just offloaded all of that. And so they're not remembering anything. and being tested on it. They don't, they can't recall anything. So I'm just, I'm really, really worried about, you know, that part of it and what's going to happen to my kids, our kids going forward and our ability to have conversations, to reason, to think, to have debates, to present arguments, to support your arguments, organize your thoughts.

54:21Clayton Morris:that's where I'm that's the real human piece of all of this well that's kind of the question is what's the purpose I mean does the machine serve the person or the person serve the machine I think you could make a strong case I think most people would make the case that for all the benefits of the internet over the last 30 years it's been a net loss for humanity we don't live in a more peaceful world we don't live in a more stable world and we don't live in a smarter world a wiser world We don't. And probably many reasons for that, but the internet hasn't achieved its core promises, peace, stability, knowledge, wisdom.

54:58That didn't work. So knowing that, why would you triple down on the effect with AI? And of course you wouldn't if the goal was to serve people. And you really do detect when you listen to technologists speak that their orientation is totally different. It's like somehow we have an obligation to serve technology. No one ever explains why, I guess because it's a god, maybe the only god. And so whether that means higher energy prices or less water or dumber, more suicidal children or whatever the result kind of inevitably will be, that's the price you pay to serve the machine. And it's like, that seems backward to me.

55:44Clayton Morris:It absolutely does. And just sitting here thinking as you're saying that, have we had a net positive with the internet? And it's hard to argue that we have in any appreciable way. We're sitting in a third world war right now. Think about how the internet moves markets and creates incredible anxiety. You hear this sort of like palpable feeling of anxiety across the United States. I think largely you could blame that on the internet. When people jump on X or jump on social media and they're fed these dopamine hits of 15-second videos. And they're just like, why did I do that to myself? You feel sort of transported.

56:29Just getting sucked into voyeuristic content with people getting arrested or whatever it is.

56:37Clayton Morris:It just makes you feel awful. And I don't think that you have influencers on escalators filming themselves and like, what? this is what we want. That's why I'm encouraged that the younger people are saying, I don't want a smartphone anymore. The internet and smartphones, I think you could combine them and then add in this AI layer on top of it and you're just constantly online. So I don't know. I think you're going to see... Maybe you're going to start to see more Amish communities pop up. You're going to start to see a pushback, sort of internet-free zones. Do not bring your phones in here. I don't know how big those things will be.

57:17Clayton Morris:And I don't know what kind of pushback we'll have from people who've gone through it. Will we have sort of a moment where we all say enough is enough? We don't want this anymore. There are the arguments, well, maybe we shouldn't be connected in such a way to these AI models that are coming from China, that are coming from the United States, that are coming from open AI, Anthropik, etc. get open source models that you can then store on your own compute in your own house. That is... So you have all of the wisdom self-contained. And I know there are some libertarian friends of mine who believe that that's the way to go.

57:59Clayton Morris:It's like you have all of this compute sort of living, I don't want to say like Hillary Clinton's style, on your own servers in your house, but you're not relying on China. You're not relying on the government. You're not relying on these companies. you're relying on yourself. And if you want to do some deep research on a project, you have access to it because it lives on your own server in your house, disconnected from those people. I don't know. I don't have that. Without getting too far afield, however, I mean, I think one of the biggest things that's happened in technology in recent memory was the hacking of cold wallets and the theft of Bitcoin from cold wallets.

58:32And the promise of a cold wallet was it was disconnected from the internet. It was wholly yours. No one could put a finger on it other than you. And that was the assurance that your Bitcoin was actually yours. And so to see that get hacked somehow suggests that anything with an electrical impulse is not really under your control.

58:56Clayton Morris:well we even saw the story was it three weeks ago about the ai model that was offline was not even connected to the internet and managed to somehow connect and get on and hack jump online to to hack and then jump back offline right uh and so yeah and then add in the robotics layer to this on top of it all, right? So the humanoid, the humanoid robot piece of this where, you know, you're going to have this, you're going to have this in warfare. You're going to have humanoid robots. I mean, it's straight, it literally is straight out of Terminator. Yep. You know, this is what's coming and who can stop it?

59:38Is there going to be some sort of a kill switch

59:39Clayton Morris:and the ability to turn this stuff off? I don't think so. So I don't know. We're going to build compounds with corrugated steel walls and turrets on our houses now to protect us against the coming AI robot invasion. But we're seeing it on the battlefield already. And we already know that the US military is years ahead on this planning for where this is going. So I don't know. To me, this is the greatest, most bizarre and biggest transformation in human history that we're watching right now unfold before us. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I hate to say it, a lot of flawed people with true ideas out there, but Ted Kaczynski did call this 30 years ago.

1:00:30And because he was crazy and violent and killed innocents, we ignored it, but we shouldn't have because he was onto something, I would say. Clay Morris, thank you for that really informed and kind of amazing rundown of where we're going. I'm grateful. My pleasure.

1:00:49Clayton Morris:It's scary. Let's hang out and have a human conversation without AI. I can't wait. Great to see you. Thanks. Thanks, man.