Ex-Freemason: Possessed Politicians, Demonic Rituals for Power, Secret Societies, and the Occult

27:41it was essentially, they texted me thereafter. And it was like, it went on for an hour or so, off and on. My friend who took me there got really sick to his stomach. He was vomiting actually, during that same time that I was on the phone. And he really was like physically out of it. And so I was conversing with these things for like an hour. And again, a lot of it was about the fallen angels. Because this goes back to, again, the djinn, the unseen world, the idea that, remember the Book of Enoch talks about this, that the fall basically is not just lucifer's it's like lucifer and the what was it the three the 300 or 300 i think that fell um but a lot of it had to do with the origin of like how the angels fell in love with human women right that's the story of enoch was that yes they fell in love with human women they had children the nephilim the fallen ones uh or also i guess they're also fallen ones and uh this whole bloodline war basically of like you know fallen angels having children with human women and becoming like the great leaders of old you know the the men of renown the men of renown exactly the leaders of the military and the and the emperors or kings of the time royal bloodlines so all this came up that night what's interesting is if you bring up that story from enoch it's alluded to in Genesis 6 as well.

29:20People look at you like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Where does that come from? Is that like a David Icke concept or something? But then if you just assess it non-emotionally, that's pretty much every religion tells that story, including Christianity. Jesus is the product of spirit and a human woman, God and Mary. So the Greek myths are the same. Alexander was, his mother said that Zeus came to her. Exactly. So I'm not, you know, I mean, that's not proof, but it's certainly an indication this is not like a crazy new theory that David Icke thought up. Not at all. And that's why I always say people - It's like the basis of every religion.

30:01Yeah, but that's why people get so, they want you to think about Icke as like he's the crazy guy. But that's why I studied history because I wanted to say, no, Icke is just picking up on old traditions and he's just listening to people that are telling him stories, which I think - You can hear that story in any church in the United States every Sunday. Exactly. Right. So it's not, conceptually, it's not a departure from what people have thought for thousands of years, that there is the physical reality of actors from the spiritual realm impregnating human women. Right. Right. And going, again, I mean, even the Anunnaki texts of the Sumerians before, you know, which predates the Old Testament, talking about exactly this thing about the anunnaki sky gods um creating the first humans as their workers and you know and again like the flood story the flood mythology comes from that you know right that god was so displeased by the behavior of the nephilim that he destroyed the world right and their behavior that he that he specifically called out was violence right right and eating of actually eating of humans the nephilim did remember really oh yeah the giants ate the humans do you remember that's in the book of enoch it's in one of them it's either i mean i thought it was in the bible but it's definitely an enoch then because that was the issue that they were the giants were eating people and uh so this you know then takes us to the very you know present day of you know when demon, you know, the lore around demons drinking human blood or like, you know, demon possessed humans drinking human blood, Dracula mythology, right?

31:40I mean, this is all, it's drawn upon the old world, but it, you know, when I, when Hunter S. Thompson talks about adrenochrome and people say, oh, he made that up. And I go, yeah, except I talked to a military intelligence guy who goes, Adrenochrome is real because it comes across our messaging boards all the time. You know, Adrenochrome is being trafficked into the country. So Adrenochrome is a compound from the human adrenal gland. Is that correct? Yeah. I mean, my understanding is it's like an adrenaline. Basically, it's adrenaline that gets secreted from like, obviously, adrenaline from anxiety, from stress, from fear.

32:21And it's, you know, it's something specifically that is being used for, you know, as a drug? Or is it, you know, is it demonic food? I don't know. I mean, again, it's not something that I've personally experienced, but, you know, it's like we're connecting the ancient world to the modern world. And it seems to be, you know, if it's one long thread, we can't, you know, we can't just ignore that. Well, here's something that thieves count on. Security cameras usually stop where Wi-Fi stops, right? Makes sense. So if you've got a barn, a job site, equipment parked outside, a long driveway, criminals know there's a good chance that nobody is watching this because there's no Wi-Fi.

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34:29But media is the greatest magician of all, right? I mean, that's, it's so interesting that you mentioned 45, obviously that's the end of the Second World War. British, you know, British broadcasting was originally part of British intelligence. Like it was always, you know, they understood that propaganda was key. I mean, that was first World War effort, bringing us into the first world war, getting us involved. And then obviously the second world war, the same, there was a huge amount of propaganda that was put out for it. But then we adopted those same techniques post 45, I would say with the various radio projects, whether it was like, and from radio to television, right?

35:09The same concept. A lot of the guys, as you know, that were like intelligence OSS officers or part of the OSS then became like executives and whatnot for the original um you know tv channels which as you know at the time was like what like four you know it was like abc cbs plus pbs yeah four right um and so it was very it was very important to send out messaging and then um likewise with radio it was the same thing it was like okay first radio was used you know for for information before television but then radio became the music and so it became like top 40 what was it the top 40 project like essentially it was like let's let's figure out how to basically condition people using music and it's no longer going to be symphonic right like long symphonic pieces of music it's going to be short three minutes or less of you know something that can like hook people and cultural propaganda culturally propagandize over and over hypnotize people essentially i mean that's so music does think about the when we engage with so interesting engaging with young people now and seeing how much like you know when i was a kid hip-hop was it was kind of coming you know it's coming on in the 90s but nowadays it's like all those lyrics a lot of the a lot of the the more debasing you know lyrics let's say how do you end up with an only fans culture well it starts with the lyrics that are put out through hip-hop music that's propagated to every you know young kid across the country.

36:38And then that becomes part of the cultural conditioning, languaging, all these things. So I think music is one of the most important magical tools that's used to obviously influence culture. And then obviously not just music and film. And nowadays with streaming, it's putting people into hypnotic states for hours on end, right? When you stream things into the consciousness. Yeah, or social media are hypnotic. noticed and very addictive. So TikTok especially. I mean, people literally just fall asleep to it. You know, it's scrolling, streaming. So part of the point of the propaganda effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering things in full context or seeing the whole picture.

37:25Always. Eliminating certain important themes from the public conversation. And certainly anything supernatural would fall into that. blood and genetics would also be part of that. But the people who run the world never stopped paying attention to the supernatural, to blood and genetics, did they? No, I don't think so. I mean, from my experience, and again, I mean, I have a limited experience of it, but you talk to some of these families. And I mean, first of all, in the UK, you feel it, especially in England, the aristocratic culture, the mindset. to this day, they still have a king. Yes. Okay.

38:10You know, they still have the aristocracy and the bloodlines, families and whatnot and their traditions. And then, you know, you think about like, you know, some of these families talk about they can trace their ancestry back to the Roman empire or even before sometimes. But again, it's just, whether or not you're aware, again, like whether or not you're aware of it, I think some families more so than others. The families that are more aware of it, I think have a certain conditioning process that some people talk about when it comes to the pedophilia. I think that's more normalized. It's kind of part of the boarding school culture.

38:54Yeah. Oftentimes, like that was my sense of it when I was at Oxford for two terms and hanging out with some people, some families that are more known than others. And they would talk, you know, some of them would tell me like, you know, the boarding school culture was very, you could say, you know, homosexual. And that kind of dates back to, in terms of the ideology to Rome and Greece. Remember like the idea of, you know, passing on wisdom from the male, from the older male to the younger male. And so it becomes acceptable. And then, yeah. And then, you know, you do hear these things about a lot of these families that are like practicing pedophilia with their own kids.

39:37And they look at it almost like a training, like a training process because it dissociates. So traumatic abuse of a young person dissociates them, makes them able to then, you could argue like, you know, like the monarch butterfly, that's the symbol. The monarch is often described as a symbol of the childhood programming. So basically when you are traumatized so young, you'd associate, you now have greater ability to act without moral compunction, without even like knowing your own limits, right? Your own self. You basically have broken all those barriers. Well, you do have to ask questions about a system that sends its sons to boarding school at seven or eight years old.

40:28Or even younger sometimes. Or even younger. yeah my grandfather went uh you know at that kind of age and i wasn't good for him i don't know why you would do that but it has something to do with breaking down normal qualities in a young man i'm not saying it's a pederasty thing i but it does have to do with yeah abuse has many forms that's right there's the physical there's the verbal the sexual is just usually like the one that no one wants to talk about. No, that's right. But obviously occurs. So, okay. So how long were you a Mason? I mean, it's not like you ever like established like I'm going to meetings.

41:12No, I wanted to initiate to three degrees. I entered in between, by the way. Okay, so this is why I know this gets far out. But like in between - We're already pretty far out. The initiation, the first degree and the third degree from in that time period, I would get phone calls from 666 numbers all the time. 666, 666, 666. We want your soul. Like just demonic voices. I want your soul. That's kind of nonsense. So Satan called your cell. I mean, I don't know if it was Satan or the CIA, but someone with a 666 number that sounded satanic called my cell and would be like, we want your soul. And I would just laugh.

41:48I don't be like, okay, I mean, it's not mine to give. You know, my soul belongs to God. So I don't know what you're talking. I can't help you, basically. I don't know what to tell you. I think I'm jumpier than you because if I was, you know, in between degrees in the Masons and Satan started calling me, I would drop out. Well, it's not about dropping out or not. It's about initiating in your, in, in, um, they said it's initiating an understanding of the world. And that's why I believe the checkerboard is very real. Like the way that it's designed is the checkerboard on the floor. It's black and white.

42:15Not all Satanists are evil. I do believe that there's the path of light and there's a path of dark. They want to assess who you are. And as I say, they, I mean, like a higher, higher realm wants to know what you are. So I believe the people that join, who choose the darker side, I think I've seen it, they basically are willing to do anything. They're willing to drink the blood. They're willing to make the oath, essentially, to the dark because they just want power. And if they know that you're not, your soul isn't wired that way, you don't end up on the satanic path. So again, like a lot of these were just, just kind of tests.

42:52I felt like they were just kind of tests, It's just kind of like, I got a call from Azazel one time. You know, Azazel is the angel of death, right? Azazel calls and then like a day or two later, my grandmother passed away. When my grandmother - Wait, the angel of death called your cell? Yeah. Well, it was like, now, I mean, it basically identified itself as Azazel. And - What did you say? No, I just, I knew what Azazel was. So I knew a spirit of death was around. And then, like I said, my grandmother passed, like I think within one or two days of that call. So I was like, wow, okay. What did the angel of death say on the phone?

43:28It wasn't, I don't remember, like, again, it wasn't like I remember specifically an announcement of something. It was just more of like in that time period, it was getting so many calls from these things like wanting my soul. And sometimes it was witches cackling, like, you know, come play with us, like, come, you know, come join us. Sometimes it was one time. And it's funny, I played this on Alex Jones' show, actually back in 2012, it was a call from again, 666 and they were doing ball worship. They're like calling on ball and they were like, it sounded like they were doing a ritual. These demonic voices are like ball, you know, they're doing a ritual on this.

44:05Yeah, on the phone call. So it was almost like they were trying to like engage my energy for what they were doing. Do you see? That goes back to the question around the dark side wants more energy because again, it's disconnected from God. well, I mean, is it disconnected? Let's just say they're more disconnected. I don't think anything is disconnected from God. My perception is it's all God's universe. So I don't think the dark, I think the dark still ultimately serves the creator's intention. I don't think you can, you can't divorce yourself from the universe, but let's just say their frequency is lower.

44:41So they're drawing upon higher vibrational energy to try to, right, to try to draw us down. That's the battle, right? It's like, how many of those of the light can we bring to the dark? how many can we sink to our level? Or if we can't, they stopped after 2012, after my last degree of initiation. And after 2012, I never got calls again. So I just felt like it was this kind of testing phase. And it's like, okay, you don't belong to us. Who knows? Maybe they've taken new forms and, you know, not saying everything. Life is obviously full of challenges. So I think the dark can manifest in different ways.

45:19but for me it was like it was a very overt confrontation with something that people would think is you know a fairy tale until you've lived it do you think other people at the lodge the cornerstone lodge in new york were having similar experiences well i mean i know the person i went with did but like some of the other guys that i knew i don't think they anything changed in their life because yeah i mean we all have different paths right we all like you know my my path was frankly, initiatory. I wanted to explore these things. I went all the way to Iran just to talk to guys that were talking to Jens and trying to understand how the world is working.

46:00What drove you? Yeah, just - Well, you grew up in a materialistic society in Southern California where the possibility of this stuff was not discussed. I would - Well, no, I mean, I wasn't, my dad took me to India and Tibet when I was nine, no, 10. and you know we went to the himalayas and went to like visit you know tibetan monasteries that we went to um what's that uh the patala palace and uh you know they depict demons and stuff very overtly in the iconography right if you look at the artwork right of tibet nepal the buddhist cultures and even hindus right like they you know they understand that there's demons and angels and well they wouldn't call it they wouldn't call it angels i guess but like demi-gods right i mean they would describe like demigods, right?

46:45More, you know, angelic, more divine, powerful beings. And then you've seen like the dark faces of the demonic realm. They look at everything, I think, as like different temptation. So it's like, you have to get comfortable. You have to face the demon. You know, you can't, if you hide it, it gets scarier, just like in a horror film, right? It's always scarier. And you don't know where the monster is. Once you can face the monster, you take away its power. or as you know as going back to the dream demon the freddy krueger it's like i you know i take my power back i'm not afraid of you anymore that's the only way to defeat the monster i believe that yeah fear and hate also feed the demons yeah well and had made a whole film natural born killers kind of about these this thing you know it's it's pretty interesting thing i mean that's a boring killer is if you watch it as two demon-possessed people which is really what they are the main characters mickey the main you know is as uh he's been abused by his father who kills himself his uh he's been physically abused by his father the juliette lewis character has been sexually abused by her father and it's like all this kind of chaotic american media you know glorification of these two serial killers but they're going through their journey of hell, basically, like a hellscape until they find that love kills the demon, right?

48:10That's their salvation is through love. But if you watch the movie, it's just like two demon possessed people. It's pretty interesting.

48:19Okay. So if we think that hate and fear feed dark forces and spiritual forces, unconscious hate, you know, I think there's healthy, there's healthy, we hate certain things that we find intolerable. Right. But if we hate the person, if we demonize the person, right? That's feeding the darkness. Wanting to hurt other people, you know, having malice toward others. Yeah, exactly. And then fear being terrorized. If those are both spiritual foods for demons, how should we understand our government's concerted effort over many years to make us terrified and hateful? Not just the government, media with it, right?

49:03Like media and government working hand in hand. Right. I mean, those kind of are the messages, really. There's someone you need to be afraid of and there's someone you should hate, you're required to hate. Well, think about the nature of the Masonic Lodges. There's the Red Lodge and the Blue Lodge. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, so that's the famous, like, there's the Blue Lodge, which is more like the French ancestry. The Scottish Rite is the Red Lodge. And so think about like the Bloods and Crips, the Democrats and the Republicans. as red and blue. Also the Bloods and the Crips, red and blue.

49:36And the Bloods and the Crips. So like this whole idea of, but people articulate as two wings of the same bird, ultimately. It's like, both are there to govern your mentality, government, govern your mind, right? So it's like, do we want more laissez-faire? Well, Republicans are supposed to be more libertarian, more constitutional, more like, but they tend to just end up spending as much as the blue team. Both obviously are just dependent on the same Federal Reserve System. So you could say we've been captured by this debt slavery, this debt slave Federal Reserve System since 1913, which is again right around the time that, well, as we know, the income tax came in, which is totally unconstitutional.

50:25And then also the First World War begins and the British bring us into their empire because, you know, more formally, because before that we were, you know, we were not supposed to be part of the European game. We focused on, you know, the Monroe Doctrine was about, you know, focusing on our hemisphere, right? Bringing the Republic, you know, our Republic as a model, you know, for this region and protecting this region from the imperialists of Europe, be it, you know, French, British. um i mean remember during the during the civil war mexico had a had a coup by the uh um the french and the british uh empire actually couped the mexican government right around the same time they were trying to install their puppet there yeah yeah didn't work out but mexico then you know again there's all kinds of puppeteering that goes on as we know through the different forces financially.

51:22So that's really, I think the key is like America wanting to be a republic independent of the European empires. With the first world war, we made, Wilson made a huge decision, which I think was a huge blunder committing us to that war. We should have been an arbiter. We should have said, you know, we're not in favor of either empire. We're going to just arbitrate, you know, a peace, a peace deal and should have stayed neutral, but we didn't. We We committed ourselves to the British Empire. And we set up, obviously, as a result of that with the Versailles Treaty. Hurt so many people. The Second World War followed.

51:57And we, you know, obviously, again, you can get into the whole history of the financiers behind, you know, Hitler and his rise to power. And so it was like, we're going to play, you know, Germany against, you know, the Soviets who also got financial support from us. So it's, you know, it became a financier's game. And that's why I say like the power behind the scenes really to me is the financial empire. And, you know, the Rothschilds are obviously a part of that. I don't think they have the be all end all of it, but they're a very important force financially. City of London is a very important force.

52:30And the Federal Reserve System, which is spawned from that central banking system of England. So that's when we talk about like, you know, who's the American federal government serving? It's been serving the expansion of a debt slavery monetary system, right? Because we're borrowing money every time they're printing money, but they don't own it. It's not constitutional money. And the Constitution, gold and silver is constitutional money. Everything else is these paper notes are promissory notes. That's why it's a Federal Reserve note. When you see a dollar bill, it says Federal Reserve note. It's a promissory note, promise to pay.

53:12Yeah. Right? Right. So it's all like, it's all debt. And we're just racking up, you know, as we know, whatever at 38, 40 trillion, I don't know. Some unpayable amount. Doesn't matter. I mean, exactly. It's, it's not going to be, you know, we have to reconfigure this. But it raises a question. So if individuals can make a deal with supernatural forces to serve them in exchange for, for temporal power, for success in this life, money and authority, and that's clearly true. Can nations do the same? I think so. I think it's a kind of, well, yeah. I mean, again, it's like the power of belief, right?

53:57As a nation and either, so we can go back to John Dee, for example, Inakian magic. Who is John Dee? So John Dee, he was basically like the head of intelligence for Queen Elizabeth, right? At the beginning of the British Empire. Elizabeth I. Elizabeth I. Yeah, sorry. Go back in time to the 1580s. Yeah, exactly. The 1580s. And Dee is the original 007. That's how he signed his signature. So Bond is actually inspired from John Dee. And he was into magic. He basically was working these, what they call the Knockian magic, because again, derived probably from the book of Enoch, but he was communing with these beings, watchers, what he considered angels.

54:43And he had these incantations. He was summoning spirits. He was working with spirits. And the theory is, basically the Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired from John D. as the wizard in the story is basically John D. that he essentially made the deal for the British Empire to become the most powerful empire in the world. And it begins with the sinking in the Spanish Armada, which again, as everyone knows, it was like, it was a freak, it was a massive storm. Begun in a tempest. In a tempest that basically, you know, helped to sink their plans and their fleet. And yeah, the theory is that he basically made the deal to, you know, for the British Empire, but the deal requires a certain level of blood sacrifice.

55:35And, you know, some people say that we've inherited the British Empire and those demons, essentially, those same deals. I can't. Especially since 45, since the end of the Second World War. It is interesting if you think about it. So here you have this island nation with a pretty small population take over the entire world. Quarter of the planet was under there. That's right. So, yeah, largest empire, in some ways the most amazing empire, but certainly a vast empire. How'd they do that?

56:13Yeah, I mean, it's more than guns, germs, and steel, right? I mean, it's a, economically, the financial component is fascinating. you know how they how they were able to obviously uh you know do you know with the shipping and whatnot insurance and shipping and you know they controlled you know when they controlled the seas of the western world all the way to india um even to china right they they even they were able to control the seas and then they can they basically would trade you know they had a certain traffic where they would you know they would take the cotton they would buy the cotton cheap from you you know, slave labor in America, sell it over, you know, sell it over and, you know, across their empire in India, buy the tea and the opium from there, from Afghanistan, which was under India at the time, and then dump the opium on the Chinese and get the silver for that.

57:08It's a pretty good trade, right? It's a pretty good deal. But the core power, you believe, came from a deal. Well, what I see the world is like, it's a both, it's a spiritual and a material reflection of each other. So it's, so what I believe is like when people understand how these workings happen, it's like if you have an intention and you, let's say, undertake a magical working that has enough belief behind it, let's say enough energy behind it, it can manifest in physical form. And this is the nature of magic. So to me, there's always two paths with magic. See, Christ says, thy will be done, which is the creator's will.

57:46The magic of what I would say, the dark side is my will be done. And that's what Alistair Crowley and other people like this. Crowley said he was an incarnation, a reincarnation of the guy working with John Dee in the magical ceremony. So their mentality is love is under will. So basically love is not the primordial power of creation for them. Individual ego will is more important than that's a dead end yeah it's interesting because it points to something that i think all of us feel which is that there's something dark about success it can be you know there's that famous line show me the fortune and i'll show you the crime yeah balzac yeah balzac is really reason enough to learn to read french it's just an amazingly hilarious insightful Pergurio is one of the great novels.

58:43Anyway, yeah, Balzac. Show me the fortune, I'll show you the crime. So, um... And that resonates because, and it's not to attack all rich people. I mean, we're both, I guess, by some standards, rich people, but. There's a whole other level. There's a whole, right. I mean, when you're, but again, you're talking dynastic people that have like, you know, made fortunes on, again, dump selling, selling opium to the Chinese and, you know, or selling slaves or selling weapons or, you know, financing wars like the Rothschilds. I mean, that's a level of crime, you know, and or pimping people like, you know, like Epstein, you know, types, you know, pimping girls and boys.

59:23But that's kind of the nature of grand success in this world, isn't it? I mean, that's maybe the reason that Jesus says it's harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle. There's something about it. And maybe that something is the deal that is inevitably made with satanic forces in order to get whatever that success is. I mean, you know how many times - Is that a crazy hypothesis? You know how many people tell me like the Mexican cartels are doing straight black magic? They are, that's a fact. Right, and I mean, imagine like these are people that are trafficking humans, they're trafficking drugs, they're cutting off heads, they're killing with impunity.

1:00:02I mean - And not just killing, but torturing. And torture. So that to me is always a sign that there's something religious going on. so you torture others uh for one of two reasons either to elicit information you know i'm gonna waterboard you tell you tell me where the terrorists are which unfortunately as we know is not necessarily accurate information no it's not it's not but like okay but as a motive yeah or you're doing it for its own sake because there's something about human suffering that brings you power and that's when we touch and pleasure which is another and maybe adrenochrome in certain cases.

1:00:40That's when we are bumping up against the supernatural realm, right? Because why would you, if you're going to kill somebody, why would you torture them first? But they always do. But see, I would posit it more that when are we not in the supernatural? See, I think that's the shift in consciousness that is required. The great awakening is that we're, people have talked about, especially since COVID is like - Oh no, we're having one. There's no doubt. We are always under the eyes. Like we are always living a supernatural experience. We just, we haven't thought that way. We've been trained to think of it as a material existence.

1:01:13Yes. And the shift now is to say, no, it's, everything we do has supernatural ramification because it's always choice between serving, you know, again, serving higher self, let's call it, and serving ego. That's, to me, like, that's the eternal battle. Every choice we make, every, and, you know, it's small decisions, big decisions, all this, it all counts. And obviously small decisions probably won't have the greater impact that a bigger decision will. But if we can shift our consciousness to start realizing how I behave at every moment, is it aligned with my higher version of self or not? This is what we have to do to achieve a better world.

1:01:51If we want to shift into a better reality, you know, then that falls upon us to say, am I following my heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I listening to intuition? Am I being, you know, am I being moral and good in this moment? You know? And I don't think that's the whole point. None of us are perfect, but the whole point of the Christ model is, it's a model for us. This is the way of perfection. Listen to the words, try to imitate the Christ. And I think we would have a much healthier reality. Yeah, and I mean, Jesus is really clear that every word you utter, every word will be used to judge you.

1:02:30Like every word matters. Exactly. It's all life force. it's it begins with thought that's why like even the buddhists you know the ancient religions they always write thought work on your thoughts to then correct your speech to then you know change your actions so it all builds in that exact same passage where he says you know the the evil heart produces evil actions yeah no it's it's so right um so that brings us to the united states which is the heir the british empire so if the british empire was the product of this deal that john d made to bring the tempest to destroy the spanish armada launch britain into control of the west and then that control ends in 1945 with the dropping of the atom bombs on yeah roughly speaking so where does that put the united states government

1:03:29I mean, we've been subsumed by the New World Order ideology for a long time. Now, the New World Order ideology came out of the British Empire. It wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was their own language. Because I went back, I was doing my history thesis at college, and I was reading some of the minutes of these conferences. They kept saying New World Order. It was their own language. They wanted to basically continue the empire and in a more informal way, because they realized the empire was, you know, it was getting a lot of flack, right? They couldn't sustain it militarily. They didn't have the manpower.

1:04:03They wanted to bring America. And clearly Cecil Rhodes, who was, you know, the great imperialist of South Africa, Rhodesia, getting the diamond mines set up and the gold mines and whatnot. And his benefactor was Lord Rothschild. And, you know, Rhodes was in his will saying, we want to reclaim the Holy Lands and we want to bring America back basically within the empire. So that was the agenda from the end of the 19th century. Bringing America to be like the military might of the Western financial system, right? That takes place clearly between World War I and World War II. As you said, we then take over for the British empire, all of its former colonies and the French colonies, including Vietnam.

1:04:52Why do we end up in Vietnam more? it's a french colony china yeah yeah into china um why do we you know take on uh turkey and greece you know to defend against the soviets that's all the british imperial realm the middle east again the french and british carved up the middle east all these countries are essentially you know creations of the british and the french um so we inherit the empire and basically ally with this idea of the world game. Russia had been the enemy of the British. They became our enemy. And that's a whole complicated issue, but essentially, partly it's dynastic families wanting the wealth of the others.

1:05:37And that's perhaps why they couped the czar to get their their fortune and get them out of power and put the Soviets in partly as an experiment, partly as a way to keep the Russia out of, I don't know, I guess you could say like, separated from the Western world to create like an enemy going forward. Because as we know, we backed Hitler at the beginning to go against Russia. That was the whole deal was like, you're going to fight the Russians kind of like we backed Iraq to fight the Iranians in the 80s. It's the old divide and conquer technique. So yeah, so Russia had been the British enemy. We inherited that.

1:06:16And then we basically bought into the New World Order ideology. That's why we kept going into this globalist mentality for decades of committing ourselves. But there's a supernatural element too. It seems obvious. It was only in the last year after a lifetime of living next to it that I realized the Pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram. Yes. Yes. Why of all potential architectural designs would you put your headquartered military in a pentagram? Again, the stars that soldiers wear, it's like, as you know, like if you've seen movies or whatnot, like the pentagram or pentagon pentagram is a very common image for, can be for protection.

1:06:59There's an invocation of protection through it. And then there's also the inverted pentagram, which is oftentimes used for sacrifice. Like you'll, again, like you'll see it in films, right? where they'll put the pentagram on the floor and within a circle, and then they'll do a ritual sacrifice within it. Yeah, well, it's the central image of Satanism. Yeah, exactly. The inverted horns, right? It's like the horns, it's the inversion of the pentagram. So again, it can be used either way. We're a little dull on symbolism, I notice, in our culture for some reason. More people are waking up. But we went through this period where, for all of history, symbols really matter.

1:07:37They really matter. In a lot of world, they still matter. And then in the West, for the last 80 years, symbols are just null and void. Like your average person is not allowed to notice the symbolism in anything. Yeah, yeah. No, we have to. Poetry dies, metaphor dies. Exactly. The spiritual life withers. And we just don't notice that. Our military is headquartered in a building called the Pentagon. And by the way, I learned this from you at breakfast this morning. I have no idea what it means, but I was amazed to learn that the cornerstone of the Pentagon was laid on September 11th, 1941. 60 years to the day that the flight was flight 77 i think was flown into it 77 is 77 is a magical number too so you know again i think of these events as mass rituals i mean i'm look i i just learned this this morning eating my omelet so i um i haven't thought about it at all but i i that's kind of the point i'm making yeah i heard that plane I was close enough to hear the plane or whatever.

1:08:42I heard that impact of something. Well, we never saw the video, right? I'm aware. They've never shown us a video. The whole thing is bizarre, but I'm only making the point that I was very aware that it happened. I had a friend on that plane, et cetera, et cetera. Why am I now 25 years later for the first time learning that the Pentagon cornerstone was laid on September 11th, 1941? No. Like you'd think in the coverage of it, they'd be like, hey, this is kind of weird. Yeah, the 60th anniversary, you'd think so, right? I never heard that. Did you know that? Yeah, I'd read about it, but I don't even think I'd read.

1:09:15No, but at the time, was that like on World News Tonight? At the time, I mean, I was as clueless at the time when it happened. I just thought, look, here's all I knew about 9-11 was that nothing made sense because I was in Somaliland in the summer, in July, and we got notices from the State Department, facts saying, you know, be careful to all foreign, all nationals all american nationals abroad um like there's basically like rumor around like a terrorist plot so be like be a high alert i was in maine that summer and they didn't send us any notice at all no i guess i should have been in somaliland so so i mean we already were like kind of it was like oh it's interesting that we got the notice that obviously some intel intel Something's coming across Intel channels to say that.

1:10:06And I'm not sure if anyone ever reported on that in the investigation of the intelligence labs. But again, I never believed the official story. And the more I looked at it, the more it just didn't add up. The takedown of the towers by, I mean, just structurally speaking. You know that the plane hit the Empire State, building back in 46. Remember that? Yeah, of course. It was a military plane at the time. Bomber. Bomber. In a collapse. Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the morning of 9-11 saying, I can't, I don't know. How could that have happened? I know those buildings well. I was there when they were built in the early seventies and the steel and those things is stronger than any building in New York and there's no way.

1:10:54But now you think about the nature of ritual and what was created was a holocaust which is literally a mass burning and this is I don't know if you remember the movie called Wicker Man it was kind of a film about these pagan satanists who they do a ritual around one of the equinoxes I think it was like a summer equinox and they have this guy in this town realizing that these guys are witches and all of a sudden he finds himself inside of this massive wicker man being burned alive and it's played out every summer by the way in a festival called burning man yeah here in uh Nevada I guess right in the desert the burning man ritual the burning of the man annually so I mean this again these are ritual things that people partake in without understanding what they're giving their energy that's right that's exactly right so I mean up until the second world war, it would have been obvious to every Western man that life revolves around ritual and that ritual describes to us concepts that our brains are not capable of fully grasping.

1:12:06You know, the communion in Christianity, it's like, there's a great debate over exactly what that is, but it's the center to the practice of the religion. And it doesn't make any sense from a scientific point of you you're ingesting the flesh and blood of jesus like what but to christians um again it's it's the holy eucharist and that makes sense to people because there's no other way to describe the things that are of this life they're that profound so um yeah but our understanding of how central ritual is to life has just been stripped from us completely so we we totally miss it we don't even know that the pentagon gets hit on the 60th anniversary of its of the beginning of its construction.

1:12:49That's so boring. Well, you think about the nature of, well, first of all, like television has, a lot of it has like disrupted like ritual cycles and whatnot. Like the cycles of our, you know, of our energy of going down with the sunset, like, you know, coming in, sitting around the hearth, telling stories. Yes. Listening to the spirit, to the, again, being more connected to the spiritual world. Now the spiritual world does come in through television. It's just not the way we imagine it because we think this is like something different, but it's all going into our psyche. And so as you know, the brain, it's processing it.

1:13:22The same, you know, how do you say it's processing and taking this information just as it would reality. So it's definitely affecting the way we interface with reality. Yes. And again, this goes back to what we're talking about, the power of the magic of media. And I think, you know, people that are storytelling, they can be, some are practicing darkness. I think others are practicing light. And I think there's those that are just unaware, unconsciously perpetuating things, but there doesn't seem to be something very dark in Hollywood. And it's like a subversion. You grew up there. So did you sense that?

1:14:09what I sense with Hollywood is um there's definitely more like there's definitely like let's be clear uh there's definitely a Babylonian quality to it right there's definitely uh people Reagan oh there's debauchery I mean And, you know, it's like everyone knew Harvey Weinstein was a monster. Yeah. Not just with women. He was a monster with business. Of course. I knew him. I knew that. Right? I mean, everyone knew that. But he was just accepted. And it's just like kind of like the casting couch. It's just like, oh, it's just accepted. This is the way things are. You know, the Epstein, I'm sure people, you know, I'm sure a lot of people knew what Epstein was.

1:14:56I never heard about him before 20, whatever. 16, 17, 18, in that time frame. But I'm sure a lot of people that were around him just knew, like, oh yeah, he's into this or he's into that because people talk. But it's amazing how, unless you're part of those circles, you don't really know what's going on. And that's why to this day, people will say, well, JFK, the assassination, they couldn't have kept the secret. I'm like, people in the know have talked, but you're just not in the know because it hasn't been perpetuated through media. So unless it gets perpetuated through media, we don't hear about it and we don't think it exists.

1:15:34Yeah. I mean, that you just said the truest thing that I didn't understand until later in life, even though I spent my whole life in the media. The idea that like, if it's more than two people, no one can keep a secret. Well, none of these secrets have been kept. They're all out there. I've heard a lot of this stuff a million times. I just discounted it. And it was not part of the prevailing story we were told. so I just didn't think it was real. Like didn't, wasn't it, not Cardi B, what's her name? One of these rappers just came out talking about like all this stuff in the Epstein. They're eating, she said in the music industry, they're eating babies and drinking blood.

1:16:10Y 'all, you know, which rapper was it? Was it Cardi or was it? I don't know. It was every week there's a new rapper. Yeah. The truth, but no one takes them seriously because they're rappers. Yeah, exactly. But she said something to this effect. And you know, like Mariah Carey's sister said, you know, she was a kid, she grew up, she talked about it before she died, Mariah Carey's sister. And it's in the Best Kept Secret docuseries that I put out. But basically she said like she grew up with things that were like done that were, you know, indescribably horrible, you know, like you can't fathom. And she died like a few years after that.

1:16:42She came out saying it. People will sometimes come out and say things and it'll be like a blip. And I think this is my way of thinking is more like if in the middle of the night, I see something fly across the sky, which I've done like driving in Beverly Hills, driving home at like two in the morning, I saw like a craft, you know, fly overhead. Not so fast. It was more like a, it was almost, I don't want to say like, it almost would be like an advanced version of a stealth bomber. It wasn't a stealth bomber, but it was like a craft that was moving very fast, low to the ground, right over Beverly Hills.

1:17:20So I look at that and go, okay, I've just glimpsed reality. Someone else might go, that's just crazy. I'm just going to ignore that. So to me, I'm like, okay, this is what's really going on. I want to look over here now. And that's just the way that I see things. And other people will just be like, I once saw a UFO, but you know what? That's just so crazy. I'm just going to go back to the mundane world. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But big picture of people are trying to understand, not simply are they eating babies, but why would someone do something like that? Yeah, well. You get to the nature of the deal that every person faces, I think, the potential, which is the same as the temptation of Jesus.

1:18:03But before me, all this will be yours. Yeah. But in exchange for whatever you're getting, bloodshed is the cost. Yeah. Because depravity, it's like, you know, once you've, once you've, it's like the dog that's like tasted blood, right? It's the, you know, you can't go back. You've, you've crossed a threshold. You've crossed a barrier that we're not supposed to cross, right? That all shall not kill. Okay, well, if you do, you're probably gonna have remorse. If you do it just, you know, especially just for defense purposes, you're still probably gonna have some level of remorse. I know sociopaths don't.

1:18:45No, that's right. So there's like a whole other caliber of psychology and maybe demon possession there. But as humans, we would have remorse, but once you've gone back, you can't take that back, can you? Like you've stained your soul. That's something that you can't, you know, you can steal something and make amends. You can, you know, you can, all crime is theft, but there's different degrees of theft, right? You can steal people's time. You can steal their energy. You can steal belongings. But if you steal life, there's no, how do you return that? There's no restitution. I'm extrapolating out to the, you know, to the scale of empire here and trying to understand why empires tend to commit themselves to war even when they don't get anything out of it.

1:19:36And I, and I'm. Someone's getting out of it. I mean, I just wonder though, if like the cost of staying on top isn't killing people just by its nature. Yeah. Well, and again, I mean, different arguments. I mean, you go back to like, what was the point of Vietnam? You know, if Vietnam fell to the communists, like what the heck does that have to do with anything? What's the point of the Russia-Ukraine war? Why would you want to keep that going? the only thing that you're getting out of that is you know you know weapons testing and money transfers and all that stuff but ultimately what you're getting is millions of dead people yes maybe that's the point maybe it is blood sacrifice right right to a degree i think that's from a higher perspective there does seem to be truth to that and i think look this is a realm of mind right we've since the fall of adam and eve we fell into mind So before this, there was order, there was perfect, it was perfectly guided, let's say, and then we fell.

1:20:35The story is not just Adam and Eve, it's Atlantis, it's all these things, right? They fell into the mind. What does that mean, the mind? Everything we experience is the mind. We don't know anything outside of our own minds, right? So before the fall, we existed. Well, we didn't have, well, I mean, presumably, we trusted like the Lord basically just had perfected and ordered everything. We didn't have choice. We didn't have free will. We didn't have mind. We didn't have anything to mirror. We saw ourselves for the first time. The mind is like a mirror, self-awareness. I am separate from you. If everything before that, it was just oneness, right?

1:21:15It was just, you know, you just, you knew you were, you could be, I mean, it's kind of like an angelic order, let's say. I mean, again, we're making assumptions here, but essentially what we know is that with self-awareness comes the idea of separation. And so we are in a realm of mind where everything gets mirrored in some way. Every thought has to manifest. With self-awareness comes separation. That is - Yeah, the illusion of separation. I mean, ultimately I believe that we're all from the same oneness and I believe it's God's universe. So there's really nothing to be afraid of, right? because if we choose, we can ascend higher, we can go back to the light.

1:21:57But there's no, the illusion of separation is that. It's just an illusion. Our ego feels separate. Our ego feels like I'm me. This is my body. This is my name. This is what I've done. So that's why I say it's a battle between ego and higher self. Higher self is like, no, we're just instruments of the creator. I can let go of ego now. I don't have to feel like anything belongs to me anything I do is not mine. Glory to the creator. We're just instruments here. We're just playing our roles. And hopefully this is, well, I believe this is all for our evolution and understanding and recognizing, hopefully developing more empathy, more compassion, more love.

1:22:39That should be, I think our goal on this planet. But yeah, in the realm of mind, mind has to go somewhere. So if I have hateful thoughts, It has to go somewhere. Does it project? How does it, as we know, like five hateful thoughts or angry thoughts, it's gonna be the way I treat my children, my loved ones, my family, my friends. It's gonna go somewhere. It's gonna go into war. It's gonna manifest somewhere. Yeah. Right? And that's where we are still. We're in a place of strong polarity, right? Everything is being, you know, as light as it is, as dark as it is in this realm. so it has like that energy has to go into into war until we clean up our thoughts and stop hating each other until then we're gonna have war but there's also a sense in which bloodshed war violence killing is the food that keeps the dark energy yeah but it starts with us it starts with us.

1:23:44That's why I just say the good news is they don't have any power unless we give it to them. If we give them power, if we give them attention, if we give them energy, if we feed them our fear, that's what Christ was saying. Let go of the fear. Just have faith. Let faith replace the fear. And that was what I had to go through in my two, three-year journey of having these dark experiences and like being haunted by things that were like energetically tangible, my reality. It was like, okay, I surrender. Like I surrender to the higher power. I have faith. So you can't have my soul because it doesn't belong to you.

1:24:25And I think that's the point is if every one of us just in our own lives takes inventory. Okay, we have fears. It's natural. Some fears are like deep, right? And paranoid. Others are just existential. Like there's a predator, there's a threat. Okay. But if we can like face our fears, own our fears and find deeper faith, we will create a better reality because the dark will have less food. It's our choice. Does it feel like some social media are designed to inspire fear and hate? Of course. Because again, it's just, it's being perpetuated through people that are unconscious. I would say like the, I don't think there's that many like dark sorcerers in the world.

1:25:12I think there are a few. I think there are definitely some people that, that commune and know what they're doing, you know, like ritualistically. But I think most people are just unconscious and they're just seeking worldly delight, worldly temptation, worldly power. Yes. Right. And they're just unconsciously not sure why, but they're just like, well, that seems safe. You know, I don't want to lose my, I don't want to lose what I have. I don't want to, you know, I want to maintain and preserve, but you can't. This world is ephemeral. It's passing, right? We know this. It's the way it's designed.

1:25:43We're supposed to be able to let go and again, commune with a higher power. And that's the greater energy. And that actually was what really preserves you. That's when you get to that place of, you know, what the saints and people like that can glow and that can actually like emit, you know, emit light, right? You know, all these examples of what Christ is. This is where we're supposed to imitate is to try to bring more light into the world. And so if we're not, how do you say, if people are not there, but they're putting out these things, they're just reflecting themselves. So a lot of these, going back to Hollywood, like a lot of these creators are just, that's the level that they're at.

1:26:23Their consciousness is at that level. Their consciousness is full of, their mind is full of, you name it, perversion, negativity, angst, fear. So they're perpetuating that. They're not coming from a higher level. modality. They're not coming from a higher place. They can only reflect what they are. Do you think it's more obvious in Hollywood than in other places? Power centers. I mean, there's a lot of power centers. London is a power center. Hollywood's a power center. New York's a power center. I mean, every city is like a hub because how much energy gets, you know, how do you say? Like there's so many more people there.

1:27:00There's much more attention, but obviously Hollywood is this magnifier of consciousness. And so I think that wherever the consciousness goes, even collectively, you could say, Hollywood shifts accordingly. I don't think Hollywood itself is sitting there going like, this is the way it is. It's like their barometer of where consciousness is. And so it's, how do you explain it? It's almost like reflecting each other. They put out darkness. People want that. They feed into it. That's where the collective is. The collective wants to experience this. They want to go into darkness. They want to go into experience the darkness.

1:27:44Okay. When you get to a certain point, you wake up. You say, I'm tired of the nightmare. And I think that's where we are. That's what the awakening means. I'm sorry. You know, it's like people saying, okay, you know what? Enough of the nightmare. Let's change the story. And people rejecting Hollywood accordingly and saying, yeah, unless you guys shift the narratives, we're not gonna watch your content anymore. The more we shift, the more Hollywood will shift. So it's a dance. Hollywood cannot survive without the audience. You cannot, you know, drug dealers can't survive without the drug addicts.

1:28:17We collectively have to shift our consciousness and everything will change. I believe that. I notice it with AI. um, most people, including, I think the people who are creating, I aren't really exactly sure what it's going to be. Yeah. Um, what the effects are going to be, but the only publicity about AI that's coming out of the developers of AI is negative and terrifying. There's been, I've noticed since this for the last three or four years, there's been no real effort to explain to you or me or anyone how this is going to be great for us. And a lot of effort put into telling us this is going to end everything that we love including human autonomy our jobs our economy it'll basically be a slave state run by machines that's what they're telling us the people who are making it are telling us that and so my instinct is they're trying to terrify us for some reason and it may just be because that feeds the dark spiritual powers that are creating creating it yeah i think i think ai is just like everything it's just both dark and light you know it's like the internet, right?

1:29:24You can find the darkest things out there. You can find, you can find great information, right? You can find the books of the world if you want to read them. And it's just going to be a question of where human consciousness will take it. You know, again, I, I believe that, you know, again, because this is God's universe, I do have like a more positive view of like where all this is going. When we were post 9-11, it was a dark, I could feel the darkness, man. I could feel it before 9-11. I could feel war coming from about 2000, the year 2000, 2001. I was like, feel like I could feel the energy of war and the darkness of the 2000s.

1:30:02I felt like war on terror was literally terror. It was about terror. It was about terrorizing everybody. You know, it was literally like terrorizing the American public. It was a war of terror. Yeah. It was terror for everybody, the American public, the broad. So that era was like, you know, this shift in consciousness was, you know, again, it was pretty dark phase. I think now we are almost like operating in different realities simultaneously, which is kind of cool, you know? And I think it's almost, I feel more like choose your adventure. What do you want to do with, you know, with technology?

1:30:36What do you want to do with the world, you know, that you're in? And just trust that it's, this is all like, this is all like for our evolution as souls. to return, you know, to basically be reminded of the light, to return to the light ultimately, to reascend, I hope, you know, in time. I think that's, you know, that would be the goal, right? Is to return to a state of, of, you know, more closeness to God. That's, but you have to be separated to want to go back, right? A lot of people are looking forward to going back right now, all of a sudden. So we're told that there's going to be some kind of disclosure about UAPs, UFOs by the federal government.

1:31:21What are UFOs? So I think we have reverse engineer technology that's been talked about for a long time. Certainly like Roswell is a famous incident. From my understanding of it, something did crash and there was a huge military response. And then, you know, the idea of a weather balloon and then they changed the story twice. It was originally like a weather balloon and then it was like some other thing. they basically, the guy, like they had, the guy that was there initially, I can't remember the name, he was a military intel guy. He took it back to like his family, like a piece of the metal. And it was, it was like very strong, but at the same time, it was like, you could actually like slightly bend it, but it would come back and it was unlike any metal they'd ever seen.

1:32:08So this was described by him and then his son, but he was basically forced to take the photo, the famous photo. I think his name was Marcel. Like he had the famous photo of like holding the weather balloon. And to say like it was just a weather balloon and like he basically was forced to take that picture. I think since that time, we've been reverse engineering. I've talked to way too many people who are part of black programs or I've seen, we have a secret space program. The US Space Force is older than Trump. Like they basically brought it from like the hidden to the more public side now. But for example, I talked to Dr.

1:32:52Fred Bell. Do you remember, do you know him at all? Fred Bell was a very famous guy in the UFO community because he had worked with the government and he was also writing books about like alien technology and consciousness and things like this, quantum physics. Brilliant guy. So we interviewed him for Conspiracy Theory, the show I used to do with Jesse Ventura. and he was talking about mind war, like using frequency for like, you know, affecting people's thoughts and being able to affect people at a distance, right? Through various technologies. But off the record, he was like, I shouldn't tell you guys this because my CIA handler would not be happy with me, but I've been to one of like some of these underground military facilities.

1:33:39And he's like, I've even met what you would call like a gray alien. Like he's like, I shook hands with one. You know? And he's like, they're down there. Like in these facilities, we have these joint partnerships. Within 24 hours of that conversation, off the record, he was dead. He died in his hotel room before he could leave Minnesota, where he was - After your interview. Doing the interview, yeah. Yeah. He died of a heart attack. a lot of people involved in the space program in a kind of spooky science connected to the federal government have died or disappeared recently yeah like a lot it's like 11 that they've confirmed missing or dead yeah it seems like a lot nuclear yeah from everything from like fusion programs to nassau scientists um certainly in the age of view of disclosure which we've been living through the last few years it's curious more curious uh at first i thought people were saying like the china they were suspecting the chinese but do you remember look i mean we still never got an answer to those drones no last new jersey last year they were all over not just jersey they were all over like from eastern seaboard right virginia i mean multiple states i mean you get this kind of stuff all the time you know these anomalies i actually asked about that um because trump was going to disclose what it was remember during the campaign he said I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

1:35:06And then he said, it's not a big deal. And I asked, it's not a big deal. Epstein's not a big deal. But what were those? Listen, I look at this world. I mean, you ever see those paintings, some of those old paintings, and you see like these little drone looking things in them. I just look at this world like we are being observed. You know, the watchers, they're again, dark and light. They're observing this experiment of the fall, right? We've fallen, but God is always watching, God's permitting. And there's beings that are interested in our genetics, that's for sure. The eugenics thing is ancient.

1:35:49Why are, eugenics is ancient? Well, we talked about it, like the idea of creating humans, some of which were of royal bloodline or from deities and others are just more like, workers. I think it's ancient. I mean, isn't it curious, like the different races, you know, where do we, do we all just come from one race and we become like darker skinned lighter? Or are we actually like different bloodlines, right? They're different blood types. So is it just evolutionary or is there something else, you know, going on in terms of, I think, you know, genetics connects to consciousness because as we know, like the eugenics interest, it's extreme.

1:36:30I mean, by the way, we gave birth to Hitler because the eugenics conferences were here first. They were British and American eugenics conferences. And a lot of them, yeah, were racist, absolutely. But the interest in the idea that consciousness, as we talked about, the brain is a receiver, then of course, different genetics are going to receive information differently. You know, the body, how we experience reality is through this body. So isn't it, if we believe in souls and the journey that we go through in our life, our body is very connected to that experience. So of course, there's a fascination with how much is a contingent on our genetic makeup and our propensities, for example.

1:37:22i for about 50 years the united states it was basically not allowed for people to mention any of this in public because it was hitler stuff or whatever they said about it they changed the name they called it um they changed it from eugenics to uh what's the cold spring harbor they're doing at cold spring harbor basically the same research it's just genetic uh what's the term for it anyway they just they called it genetic research now and like you know by you know they they biotech i think we call yeah biotech and things like this but it's the same principles not not maybe not based in the same racism but some of it's i'm sure some of these people are still racist like epstein who was called everybody goy that wasn't jewish right i mean some of these guys are still racist um but yeah i mean they they just they just changed the name um it's just interesting that even as the public has been absolutely banned from talking about this stuff the people in charge are very fixated on genetics yeah that doesn't surprise you why should it i mean why again if if this vehicle it's it's pretty interesting technology i mean the body's incredible technology that's what freaked me out so much during covet was like the whole mrna delivery system, right?

1:38:42That they were trying to inject us with. And as a lot of people were warning, that mRNA technology can start to affect your genome and might be passed on to your children. I think it's been confirmed now. Right. So pretty scary stuff that they were just mass injecting. Into hundreds of millions of people. And now we know that it can affect your DNA. I think that's beyond dispute, but I haven't read any follow-up and like, okay, what you're changing human beings generationally? What are the likely effects of this? And that's the transhuman agenda. So transhumanism, you could say, is the evolution of eugenics to the place where a lot of these elites want to biologically re-engineer the human.

1:39:29And arguably they want to get us to a place where they can merge us with the AI, the machine consciousness. to make us, well, you could say like an HG Wells type of scenario, right? You have the elite who, and some of whom love, you know, the idea of like Elon Musk, you know, connect me to the machine, connect me to the computer so that I can be smarter, right? And, and then, you know, arguably those that are, you know, more mundane will either not have the ability or they'll be connected in a way that they can be more readily controlled. Is this what we're going towards, you know, a cyborg type of future.

1:40:07Seems clear. Right. It's certainly feasible. I don't think in the next five years, but probably 20, 30 years and beyond, you could see a whole new humanity. What do you think the point of the COVID exercise was?

1:40:25Multilayered.

1:40:28They wanted, I mean, it seems that they wanted to shut down the world and print money on mass. They didn't have a war to do it without a great war. They needed some kind of conflict. This exercise was a way of, I think, testing consciousness to see how pliable and compliant people are. And obviously it was, like I said, frightening just to see your friends and neighbors just becoming like the Borg in Star Trek. Just obey, wear your mask, do not question. If you question, you're crazy, you're dangerous. you know you should be at some point they were talking about moving people to concentration camps for quarantine camps they were talking about um digital tracking i don't think they achieved fully what they could have or what if the dark side had won let's say prevailed we could have be kidding me we could have been what chomsky said those of us that were unvaxxed we could have been pushed out of society you know they could have created a total digital you know verification of how many shots you've had and you know if you obeyed or not i mean the social credit system of like you know a communist society they could have gone all the way i don't think they they i don't think they won that battle but i think it was a big test to see where our human consciousness was you didn't mention public health is one of the reasons for that campaign shifting our which in which aspect well the inherent threat of the virus that didn't play any role in this?

1:41:58The virus was a perfect virus insofar as it was very contagious. And I think we all got exposed to it. And I think the virus does have long-term effects that we should work to clean out, but things like ivermectin and other can help us with cleaning that out of our system. But it wasn't like a particularly deadly virus. No, I mean, just look at the numbers. It was deadly if you had two plus comorbidities and you were over 70 years old. Yeah, that was the dangerous. But anyone who was paying attention, you know, I was, we knew about ivermectin, we knew about hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C, zinc.

1:42:37I mean, just, you know, health protocols, being in the sun, fresh air, all the things you would normally think would be healthy, you know, keeping your weight normal. So last question, where, so many things are happening at once right now. One thing I've noticed during this conversation is you seem completely unsurprised nonplussed by all these crazy things going on because you've just seen the world through this vantage for so long that like it doesn't surprise you is that fair yeah i think that uh when you when you've grown up seeing the great conspiracy reality yeah which i saw since i was like six seven years old and my made JFK, I don't try to assume anything because I'm not in a position of one of the elites that's, you know, apparently, you know, making these types of decisions, right?

1:43:29So. But you see a UFO and you say, I'm looking not at an anomaly, but at reality. Yes. Yeah. So that's a different way of looking at the world. So, and probably a better one. But given that worldview, you see now the unresolved war in Ukraine, this new war in Iran, which seems like it is already a global war, who knows? The promise of UAP disclosure, the rise of these terrifying dystopian technologies, mass surveillance, AI, all happening in like a five-year span. man what is all of this they're clearly connected phenomena out there definitely connected phenomenon

1:44:18um any one of these things would have been enough to like fry my 30-year-old brain if these had happened in 1999. I guess it was well look the the the NATO war against Serbia was pretty, it was relatively isolated with that region of the Balkans, but that region was devastated by that era. I keep emphasizing to people, look, the world ended many times already. I think if we lived through World War II, can you imagine the devastation of that time period? I mean, maybe a hundred million dead, the entire world engaged at some level of the conflict, just I think that we can't really, we have to get back to like kind of primary principles of, okay, is it really as bad as the mind might want it to believe?

1:45:11You know, and the fear wants us to believe. Yes. So I don't like to give into those fear narratives. I truly believe that the light is prevailing. People are waking up. Every time something is occurring, we're in a time now where it's like, thanks to the social media component, as much as we can say like, yeah, there's banal things, there's like degrading things, there's things that maybe like take us out of ourselves or into our lower self. There's also so much revelation coming at the same time. Right? So we can have these conversations now that, listen, I couldn't talk about the pedophilia, cannibalism stuff back in the 2000s when I first found out about it, because, you know, I was reading like the Franklin, about the Franklin scandal and the Franklin coverup and things like this, right?

1:46:00This was back in the 80s and 90s that they were, you know, the trafficking. I remember, yeah. Right, and Franklin and it had to do with Larry King, who was very high up in the Republican National Committee and, you know, stories like this that I know about. Different Larry King. Yeah, different Larry King, exactly. The black Larry King, not the CNN Larry King. And, you know, I couldn't talk about these things publicly, but gradually I've seen consciousness awakening. My journey has been so interesting in that regard. Like I was doing conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura back when it was shut down because we were asking, you know, we were asking all the right questions apparently, but the network True TV shut us down because he had challenged, I think it was because of the episode that he did about FEMA camps.

1:46:54maybe was that like he triggered something yeah but there were some things that he was we touched upon that were like okay the show is canceled so nowadays you know if he'd wanted to you know we could have shifted it to like you know a tiktok channel or something we could have we could have continued it um all these conversations that we were having about the the skinwalker ranch now there's shows on netflix about skinwalker ranch um the uap stuff you know coming out the hybrid programs, the reverse engineering being discussed in Congress. So I feel like the awakening is more important than the events themselves.

1:47:29The events themselves, because like this is a reality where unfortunately, yes, like it's painful. It's full of suffering. There's sorrow. Our loved ones are going to die one way or another. Everything's going to pass in this world, right? So what matters is where are we awakening to the reality? Are we seeing the spiritual forces that are at work? And if we can, again, choose light instead of darkness, I do believe we can create a better reality. But it starts with awakening and realization, not being, we're going to put this in the corner. We're not going to discuss the pedophilia. No, that's being discussed openly now.

1:48:02We're not going to discuss, you know, the rape and murder and cannibalization of kids. No, we're going to discuss that. Because by becoming aware of it, now we can get to a place of, okay, all of this somehow exists in our reality. Let's choose a better version. but it's a better version of reality, right? Where this doesn't happen as prevalently, if at all. So the awakening is worth the suffering that leads to it. It's the only way. It's the only way to awaken is to suffer. So Buddha even, Buddha sees suffering in the world. He says, I want to understand what's causing this. Get to the heart.

1:48:39You know, he wants to awaken, right? He wants to create a more compassionate reality, even though he knows that suffering will still exist. so it doesn't have to be as evil as cannibalizing you know people and murdering women and children and all these horrible things but there will still be suffering in our reality at this point point of human experience right we're still going to suffer illness and old age and death um until you know god decides that we enter a more golden age Sean Stone, thank you very much. It's a pleasure.