ICE Protests and Antifa Riots: Tucker Carlson Warns of Total Destruction if America Doesn’t Act Fast

29:14Now, Portland, Oregon is one of the prettiest cities in the world, by the way. Now it's a byword for sadness and death, drug use and the homeless. But for a very long time, Portland was considered one of the prettiest places ever, a kind of northern San Francisco. Really, a really pretty place, charming place, nice place, nice people. And in the past 20 years, it's become, thanks again to the influence of a very specific class, professional class, decadent whites, it has become a hellscape. It's true. Under the influence of secular whites, NPR listening liberals who do not get the credit they deserve for their sinister behavior, their death worship, it has become the kind of place where no normal person would want to go.

30:03And it's sad because it is fundamentally so great. Here's a montage of what Portland looks like. I am smack dab in the middle of a Portland green space. Everywhere you look, trash, paraphernalia, rotting food, and even dead animals. This is the reality to the streets. This is a symptomatic homeless teenager on the streets on meth. For what? Do you have two hours on clear? No, I don't have clear. This is a symptomatic homeless man who's been talking to himself for about two hours downtown Portland.

30:46Homeless one behind me has been flashing people the last half hour. Behind me is a senior citizen smoking meth. He's about 72 years old. Homeless man behind me without a shirt just tried to break that window. So nobody is dying in this exact moment but this right here is the deadliest block in Portland and where I've seen about 20 people die in the last year. Behind me is a homeless woman injecting heroin into her foot. Knotted out in front of a business. Impossible to get in the front door. There's a good 15 people on this block. About 12 are actively smoking fentanyl. Two people live indoors but come here for the fentanyl.

31:29One person didn't appear to be using, just kind of hanging out. But overall, a good 95 % are actively using drugs on this block in Portland. All native-born whites, of course. A 72-year-old smoking meth. A 72-year-old smoking meth on the street. Who would tolerate that? A cruel person. A truly cruel and evil person would tolerate that. That's not freedom. That's bondage. That's murder. No normal country would tolerate that for one moment. And in real countries, they don't tolerate that. In a downtown? They don't do that. Only in the West do they do that. If we keep this up, we will get Mussolini at least because it's so unnatural.

32:19It is so contrary to the laws of nature. It is so prima facie, repulsive, and mean to allow this that it cannot continue. And the fact that it has been allowed to continue tells you everything about the people in charge. They're the worst. And what about the citizens? It's not just the leaders. It's the people who live there. A normal person would say, absolutely not. I live as my city. I work here. My kids go to school here. I was born here. You may not do that. We're not going to allow 72-year-olds to smoke meth on the street. What is wrong with you? They wouldn't cede the moral high ground to some creep from another city.

33:00All the leaders of these cities are not from those cities. They just show up because they feel a power vacuum. They graduate from Wesleyan or Bowdoin after running for student body president, just like Mom Donnie. And they're like, oh, chaos. I think there's opportunity for me that's exactly the profile and all the little all little NGO workers who are passing out crack pipes and needles and tents to the homeless all of which exacerbates the problems and kills people none of those people are from any of these cities either they're all from away they're all poverty pimps who've shown up to take advantage of human suffering they're the lowest posing as the most decent.

33:43They're not Clara Barton. They're like Caligula. They're cruel, heartless people who would allow this. And the cruelest and most heartless of all are the generation whose children are on the street smoking meth. They're called the boomers. The boomers. They're not all bad. Not every boomer is terrible. But if you had to identify one generation responsible for the decline and possible destruction of the United States of America, it would be that one. Their fathers returned from liberating Europe and Asia, and they bequeathed us this. This land is my land, from California to New York Island, from the Raffa Forest to the Gulf Stream waters.

34:42I can't even play the mandolin. Mediocre in addition to everything else. A little Ukraine flag. Cliché after cliché after cliché. Not a deep thought. No self-reflection at all. Just self-involvement. That's that generation. And if you were there, you would ask them. You wouldn't ask them about ICE or immigrants. You would ask them about the state of their city before the immigrants even got there. like why did you allow elderly men to smoke meth on the street people to die on your sidewalks they had a dysentery outbreak in portland oregon last year because the sanitation the so-called homeless camps was so bad how could you allow that did you notice it you said you were compassionate you care about the people of kiev did you notice the people in downtown portland were dying on the street you monster they're monsters that level of neglect is monstrous and the key mistake that normal people make is ceding the moral high ground to people like that who disguise their hate and indifference to their fellow human beings with the language of compassion it's a lie and you know it's a lie because look at the city they made that needs to be cleaned up immediately immediately people living on the street shitting on the street causing dysentery outbreaks smoking meth on the sidewalk having sex and atm vestibules these are not manifestations of freedom these are signs of terminal decline and they are very serious they're most serious this is stage four you have to fix that it's not complicated you cannot allow that because if you do you send a very clear message to your own citizens, which is, I don't care about you.

36:26I don't care whether you live or die, whether you degrade yourself, whether you live like an animal. If you let your German shepherd live like that, you would be arrested. But in Portland, Oregon, it's totally fine to let your fellow citizen live like that. If there was ever a reason to send federal troops into a city, it's 72-year-old smoking meth on the sidewalk. We're shutting this down. We won't have this. Because that person smoking meth is a child of God created by God. And you're killing him. And we're not going to allow it. Someone's going to do that. That will happen. And the opportunity we have right now is to do it in a way that is not totalitarian.

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39:56Nick Sorter, are you there? I'm here, Tucker. Thank you for having me, sir. Thanks so much for doing this so you just came from portland how would you assess it what's it like it doesn't feel like america tucker at this point it feels like and i know it's a cliche but it feels like a third world country i mean you have police that have been totally infiltrated by a a leftist militant group uh and you know right now you can see police cars behind me these police cars would protect me if somebody were to come up and assault me that's not how it works in portland The Portland police arrested me instead when I got assaulted.

40:35It's a different world out there, and not even just around the ICE facility. Your monologue was spot on here, Tucker. You go downtown, and it looks like it's post-apocalyptic almost. The graffiti everywhere, the vandalism, the boarded-up windows. There are no people in downtown Portland. It's quiet as hell. There's nobody walking around. People don't go there for leisure anymore or for vacation. It's because they're afraid and they should be afraid. The chance of you getting beat up or stuck with a needle or robbed in the street is through the roof because police there aren't actually allowed to be police.

41:14So what happened to you, if you don't mind explaining? You were arrested for being assaulted? Is it a crime in Portland to be assaulted? It's a crime in Portland to be a conservative, Tucker. I mean, as weird as that sounds, the video evidence and even the D.A. has come out and said because the D.A. refused to to go through with the case. So they ended up dismissing all of the charges. The video very clearly shows me telling the person to back away as I'm walking down the sidewalk. And then the Antifa thugs, you know, this stuff is coordinated, right? They come up with an umbrella to try to block other cameras.

41:53And as soon as when they do that, they're going to they're going to commit some sort of act of violence. And that's exactly what they did this time. One of their thugs decided to swing on me and hit me in the face before breaking my camera and then throwing me in a hole. Was that person arrested? Absolutely not. Was I? We know the story now. What do they charge you with? well they charge me with disorderly conduct too uh which is really weird considering the amount of screaming and uh vandalism and assaults on officers and uh explosions of fireworks and such that happened in the middle of the night in the streets out there you know they they but break in the cars if you try to if you're not a member of antifa and you try to drive down that street they're going to hit your car they're going to break your windows there's plenty of videos of that happening and none of that is apparently disorderly they call what i did disorderly because it's a what i'm doing is a threat to the order in their city which is a uh basically leftist authoritarianism so you got your face in the way of an antifa fist and so you're the criminal what did the cop apologize as he was arresting you like what i mean it's it's hard even to imagine in the scene you're describing.

43:13Yeah, and so I actually went to this group of police. There are about 12 of them. They're way down the road. They don't do anything ever. Obviously, that situation changed a little bit as time went on, but I went over there to seek refuge with them. Hopefully, I wasn't even reporting anybody. I was just standing back, hoping that the situation would ease up a little bit. And I'm standing there joking with a bunch of them for seven to eight minutes or so. And then a sergeant rolls up on a bike and says, cuff him. And that's exactly like that guy. This guy right here, cuff him. And he's like, yeah, cuff him.

43:54He's under arrest. And they had no idea why. They couldn't explain to me for over 45 minutes, Tucker, what my charges actually were. They started driving to the jail very slowly, hoping that somebody would fill them in on why I was actually being arrested. and so they had to pull over on the side of the road near the jail and just sort of twiddle their thumbs uh waiting on a call from a lieutenant uh and as soon as they got that call from the lieutenant that lieutenant instructed the officer to get out of the vehicle presumably so i couldn't hear what they were talking about on the phone something stinks over there i mean i there were three people all night long in portland that came through that jail it's the only jail in portland and three people including myself ended up coming through there that night it's wild and there were riots underway oh yeah yeah that same night my car was vandalized uh there were fires in the street they do that every single night and that nobody is ever arrested for that it's it's so far from the america that you imagine when you think of america i mean this is kind of my point so for example like a place palm beach or miami or jacksonville even tampa city you know big cities in Florida, that's the opposite of what would happen.

45:13And so you wonder, like, how can Portland, Oregon, share a flag with Miami, Florida? Yeah, it's a great question. And as you very well said, this stuff doesn't happen in Florida. It never does. People aren't going to block the roads in Florida. Right. Because what happens? You're going to get run over. Because, you know, these people will take residents that live right near the ICE facility and box their cars in with people. They'll surround them and terrorize them. But there's nothing that the driver can do about it. If they defend themselves, they go to jail. If they try to drive through the crowd to save their family from these thugs, these violent, mentally ill thugs, they are the ones that get arrested, not the thugs that held them hostage.

45:59So what does that tell you? It tells you that if the rioters don't get arrested, but anyone who resists the rioters get arrested, that tells you that the rioters are, in effect, working for the state. They're the militia then. Right? I mean, what else would that tell you? They're on the same side as the state. Yeah, of course. And then people ask me all the time. It's like, okay, well, what are these Antifa folks' thoughts on the Portland police? And it's there's no ill will between the two groups at all because they're practically working together at this point. Yeah. Just the other day, there was a business owner or a manager of a restaurant that's at the end of the street where the ice facility is on.

46:40There's only one street to get to that to that business. And he walks up and begging and pleading with the officers there to open the road, not because the police had closed the road, but because the Portland police had relegated traffic control duties to these Antifa militants that were not letting through employees of the restaurant or patrons of the restaurant, only letting through their own people, and Portland police were letting it happen. Portland police ended up, I have it all on video, I posted it all on my ex. Portland police walk up to these militants that are controlling traffic and say, hey, we need you to open up the road.

47:20Would you mind opening the road so that people can get to the spaghetti factory? And they said no. And so the road just never opened and police just walked away. I mean, that's how deep this rot runs. Who is giving these officers orders to stand down and defer to Antifa? So you've just changed my mind on this completely. I mean, so I went into this thinking, well, the problem is these groups, Antifa and others, whatever Antifa is, no one's even really ever defined it, that I can tell. But these groups of radicals angry about something, committing violence against people. But it sounds like the DOJ needs to come in and take control of the Portland Police Department on civil rights grounds.

48:00I know they're very busy policing anti-Semitism on Ivy League campuses. It's kind of a critical problem in America. But if a police department is indistinguishable from Antifa, that might even be a bigger problem. And maybe they should take it over tomorrow. Why wouldn't they? yeah that's something that i should probably uh i'd like to talk to to attorney general pam bondy about she's been very uh responsive to this entire situation she put harmeet dylan on it they've launched a an investigation uh into the uh into the practices of the portland police department and and tucker we uh we actually put in this demand for discovery after my arrest uh and we were demanding all communications between uh rose city antifa which is an organized group that isn't an entity that exists, and the Portland Police Department.

48:53And literally within an hour of us doing that, my attorney got a call, an angry call from the DA's office, and then eventually said, okay, well, you know what, we're not going to move forward with this case. They were clearly bothered by the fact that we were demanding discovery relating to the discussions between Rose City Antifa and the Portland Police Department. So there's something there. There's something there. If we didn't make that demand, I don't think they would have dropped this case. That's an incredible story. It's not the story I expected to hear from you at all. That's an amazing story.

49:25And it's a horrifying story because where does it leave the citizens of Portland? I mean, if the police department is in, then where do you go? Yeah, I spoke with a resident. There's an apartment building that is directly adjacent to the ICE facility. and these residents are terrified to speak publicly. I finally got one to speak to me on camera. I haven't released it yet, but he wanted his face blurred because they're terrified of what happens when they walk out of their apartment building, when they're complaining about what's going on in the street and the lack of action on the part of police officers and the city of Portland.

50:07There is a noise ordinance in the city of Portland. You know, people have the right to the quiet enjoyment of their home. Right. And and the Portland police and the city have selectively decided they're not going to enforce it there to the detriment of the multiple veterans that live there with PTSD that are hearing them. The the Antifa folks in the street shooting off fireworks in the middle of the night, scaring the crap out of them. They're talking about children in elevators that are crying because it's like a war zone out in front of their house every single day. And the police are just letting it happen.

50:42For what reason? I don't know. Is it political? Is it because they're totally infiltrated by these leftists? I mean, there's a lot of reasons that it could be. But it's something that we need to find out because there are this is not a victimless situation here. The victims are the people of Portland that are just trying to live their lives and go about their daily business without fear of being beaten in the street for complaining that people want to scream in front of their house at three o 'clock in the morning. That's how bad it is. I think a lot of Americans are under the impression that nothing has changed in the last 40 years and the law enforcement and intelligence agencies are fundamentally pro-American and committed to the rule of law.

51:29That would include the U.S. military, CIA, NSA and police departments and National Guard units. you know you think they're sort of on your side um and i think you're hitting at something that most people don't understand which is a lot of these organizations these institutions have been completely taken over by people who sympathize with antifa and i would include the u.s military in that many many members of the u.s military cheered the assassination of charlie kirk many online and that seems like a problem that needs that seems like the problem because if things go south the people with the guns have to be loyal to the constitution they can't be loyal to antifa right right and i mean you're you're absolutely spot on there it's uh it's chilling the amount those are just the people that we have that are have the weirdly enough have the balls to say that stuff publicly like condoning the assassination charlie chart and stuff i mean it's terrifying to think how many of these people are in the background working for these uh police agencies Actually, we were able to get a Secret Service agent fired, one that works on protective details, fired for saying that Charlie Kirk had it coming.

52:39He said that publicly on Facebook. That's somebody that works on a protective detail. That should terrify everybody. Because then it leads back to think, okay, well, did people within the Secret Service just let what happened to Trump and Butler? Did they just let that slide? We know these people exist. We know they're on these protective details. We know that they've infiltrated the military. That's terrifying. And we really need systematic reviews of all of this stuff. And I know down there in Portland, I'm actually so well here in D.C. anyway, here in D.C. I will be meeting tomorrow with Harmeet Dillon and the Department of Justice.

53:18And they'll be doing a full interview from start to finish from what happened and what their next steps are going to be. I spoke with President Trump about it today Personally, they are not going to let this go They want to expose all of the rot Within this police department out there Because ideally, that model will be able to spread To other police agencies across the country What they find in Portland may help them in Chicago For example So a can of worms has been opened here the police chief out there in Oregon or in Portland has been on TV every day slandering me saying that it is provocative to film in public with a light on your camera even though it's dark and so you need a light I mean any reasonable human being can figure that part out but they're terrified they know that that we're not letting this go that we're that now they got the DOJ on their backs.

54:17I'm just hoping that the political pressure keeps up and people don't just forget about the story. Yeah, I hope not. I know that Hartmeet Dillon, who I know very well, my former lawyer, is a really serious and smart person and a very tough person. So I have full confidence in her. But I hope that we don't devolve into like an endless conversation about Antifa and like, you know some angry 19 year old yeah i'm against all that but cops with guns and handcuffs and the power to arrest citizens if they're corrupt boy there is nothing scarier than that u.s military officers many of whom are like lunatics like left-wing lunatics and of course the foreign policy establishment doesn't care because all they want is another profitable war or they want to extend their wars and you know ukraine etc they want to war with iran so they don't really care about whether the people who run the U.S.

55:10military are loyal to the Constitution of the United States. They don't care at all because they're not loyal to the United States. But we should care. And I just really hope when you're up there, when you're up there, you'll encourage a forensic look at law enforcement, number one.

55:28Yeah, absolutely. And I think you brought up a really good point that needs to be talked about more, where if there is a way, and I'll definitely ask about this. If there is a way to put more federal power within the Portland Police Department, I don't think it's able to be saved as is. I think it would need to be totally just turned on its head or maybe scrapped and started over. You know, that would be, you know, I feel like that might be the only way to save it unless you can take federal control over that stuff. I think that was a really good point that you made and I'll definitely ask about that.

56:05But look, I mean, this is just what we've seen in one city so far. How many more of these cities are having the same issues that we're not talking about? I know Chicago is a hot topic and stuff right now, but, you know, I'm sure is this stuff happening in Seattle? Like how many other cities are you having this same issue with corrupt political hacks that have arrest powers? I mean, that's very concerning. It should concern everybody. Well, you really changed my mind, Nick, and I appreciate your reporting. Thank you for doing this, and I hope you'll come back. Thank you for shining the light on this, Tucker.

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59:43I thought it might be worth getting the perspective of a former Illinois governor, someone who knows a lot about the state and the city of Chicago. He's from the city of Chicago. Former Governor Rob Lagojevich joins us now. Governor, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you, Tucker. Nice to talk to you again. What do you make of Pritzker's position here, that 500 National Guardsmen are like the Luftwaffe, this is Nazi America, the Fourth Reich? What do you think of that? I don't want to malign Governor Pritzker personally, but if anybody resembles a Nazi, it's Pritzker. He resembles Herman Goering.

1:00:22He does that. He took a look at photos of Gary and J.P. Pritzker. That is so funny. I was just thinking, I was looking at his, because his hair gel, the way he combs his brill cream in this way, I was like, who do you remind me of? And you remind me. That's so funny. Excuse me. I agree with you. Right. Right. Look, if anybody's a Nazi for bringing in the National Guard, J.P. Pritzker should look in the mirror, because only a year ago, he actually brought in the National Guard to protect what? wealthy, white, limousine liberal Democratic donors and Democratic delegates at the Democratic Convention in Chicago.

1:01:00He was more than happy to do that, but he won't do it when President Trump wants to send the National Guard to help and work with the Chicago police to fight crime in our city and in a city where every single day at least one person is murdered, in a city where nearly At least 600 crimes are reported every single day in a city where 80 % of those murders, you see the crime in Chicago is segregated. The carjackers and the retail thieves and the armed robbers, they go all over the city. But the murders are taking place in the black neighborhoods and in the brown neighborhoods. 80 % of the murders in Chicago are in the black neighborhoods, or black people.

1:01:37And the other 15, 95 % altogether are black people and Latinos. And so the Democrats, like Pritzker, who claim to be on the side of black people and Latinos, are basically saying, we're going to use the National Guard to protect donors, Democratic donors and delegates. But no, no, we don't want your help, Mr. President, to actually save black lives. Because for those Democrats, notwithstanding their rhetoric, black lives matter only to them for their votes. And what Pritzker's doing now is he's hyper-politicizing a very serious issue. He's standing in front of the schoolhouse door like George Wallace did back in 1963 when Kennedy federalized the National Guard correctly to allow two black students to get into the University of Alabama.

1:02:21Now Pritzker is sort of a modern-day version of George Wallace in some respects in that he's trying to block President Trump, working to block President Trump and federal law enforcement from coming to Chicago to carry out the mandate the American people gave President Trump in last election, and that is to secure our borders and to fix the illegal migrant problems. And it's undeniable that there are tens of thousands of criminals who joined the nearly 14 million illegal immigrants that have come to America, according to Pew Research, and estimates are that conservatively 10 percent of those are criminals.

1:02:55That means we're talking about over a million criminals that have come to America. And what kind of criminals are there? What are they? They are gangsters and they're drug dealers. They're child sex traffickers. They're sex offenders. And they're cold-blooded killers. And it's amazing. And it's mind-boggling to me that J.B. Pritzker would choose this issue because his motivation is politics. He's playing to the crazy left-wing crowd in the Democrat Party. But it's really offensive and immoral that he would do something like this and stand in the way of actually following the law. because the Supremacy Clause in our Constitution is very clear.

1:03:32The federal law is supreme over state law, and he should not be resisting or working to resist federal law. So, look, I have a confession to make, Tucker. When I was governor early on, I knew him because he had contributed to Democratic politicians because he was very wealthy, and he asked me to make him director of the Illinois Human Rights Commission. So if I'm going to confess to any crime, because I didn't commit any crimes, times, but the near criminal thing I did was actually hiring that guy. It was a big mistake. Did he improve human rights in the state of Illinois? No. And you know what?

1:04:09You know, I don't know. I worked with him too on the Holocaust Museum in Illinois, in Skokie, Illinois. And at that time, he seemed to be a very reasonable guy, but he's changed a lot, I think. And I don't know what the cause is other than He's got the desire to run for president, be president, and notwithstanding President Taft and his success to be elected president, J.B. is never going to be president. I know the guy. He's got no chance. Taft was in a three-man race, as you'll recall, 1912. No, that's – yeah, no, I don't think he has much of a chance. It's interesting. I mean you've been a governor.

1:04:46There aren't many people who have been governor of anything, and to be governor of Illinois, one of your concerns is population, the state's population. because, of course, federal dollars, house seats, they're dependent on how many people live in your state. And Chicagoland, that area, has depopulated. People born in Chicago have left in amazing numbers, very similar to what's happened in California. But the population aggregate number hasn't changed that much because of the inflow from the third world. So it's a little bit like the Catholic Church is always promoting immigration because they need the seats, people in the seats.

1:05:22um i wonder if that's part of his motivation like chicago it's what percent of chicago wasn't born in the united states huge well no well that's right and the activists in the democratic party there's so many different activist groups in the democratic party that push immigration rights and those sorts of issues and look i think you would agree i heard your your monologue and which was profoundly interesting. I mean, most of the people that have come to America illegally, these 14 million that have crashed through our borders because Biden basically said we don't have borders, those are good people, and they're doing the work that you talked about.

1:06:00I agree. But you see, they're victims, and you know who victimized them? It's these hypocritical Democrats. When they started opening up these sanctuary cities, basically saying, come on in. We're putting a sign up. Come on into America. Don't worry about our immigration laws. Nobody cares. And you can come into our city and we'll protect you. Forget about what the federal law might be, which you don't even know anyway. But it's no big deal to us. Come on in. And so these are well-intentioned, kind-hearted, probably innocent people who want to chase the American dream, like my immigrant father did when he came over here legally after Congress passed the Displaced Persons Act after World War II.

1:06:36They came here looking for an opportunity because they're committed to their families. They want to build a better life. And that's the great story of America and immigration. The thing that's missing is, but you've got to come legally. And they were invited to come here illegally by the Democrats. Biden didn't secure the borders, and the Democrats opened up sanctuary cities. And with all their rhetoric, basically, we're saying all these people come up here. And the reality is no country can sustain 14 million people who are here unlawfully. And what President Trump is doing is absolutely necessary to save our country.

1:07:10and hopefully down the road maybe there can be a way where the two parties can come together and address issues like the Dreamers and these other issues that are very legitimate. But in the meantime, what you have now is a tremendous divide because the Democrats simply refuse to do anything that's good for our country because they never want to give Trump any kind of victory and they are simply determined to never work with him. At the expense of our country, the people who live in our country. So the First Amendment is the one truly distinctive thing that makes America American. It makes this country great.

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1:09:39I mean, they were written by Congress, passed by Congress. He hasn't even signed any immigration law. They have nothing to do with him. They preexist his presidency. So he's trying to enforce existing law, and they are abetting breaking that law. So it does seem like insurrection to me. I mean, if a state won't obey like a core federal law, like immigration law, then where does that leave us? Honestly, like how can we share a union? No, your question is, well, you're probably raised. You know, you talked about civil war and, you know, you think back to the days leading up to our civil war, and I like to think we're not even close to that.

1:10:21But you're right to raise it because you can see how there's this slippery slope that we're going down. And, you know, it was the defiance of federal law. Lincoln getting elected and different states decided we don't want to be under that election with that president, so we're leaving. And before that, they were defying federal law. And we saw what happened. Now you have a situation where not only has President Trump been given a mandate by the American people to do what he's doing, but you also have a situation where we know that it works when there's cooperation. So the success that President Trump has had with the National Guard in Washington, D.C.

1:10:58was in part because the mayor there, Bowser, was willing to accept that and work with him. And, you know, they can get into the nuances, oh, well, that's a federal city versus a city like Chicago. But if you're the governor of the state of Illinois or the mayor of Chicago, you have an obligation to your citizens to keep them safe. and the National Guard coming into Chicago with all the crime we have and the need to support ICE in its efforts to follow the law and do what's necessary to follow the law, you would think that a governor, irrespective of party, would welcome that support and thank the president and then take credit for the success of protecting American citizens and American taxpayers.

1:11:41But our politics has gotten so crazy, and the Democratic Party is such a crazy party now with the lunatic fringe becoming the mainstream and guys who were somewhat reasonable like J.B. Pritzker being transformed. What he's trying to become is basically AOC and drag. He's trying to get into her politics as opposed to sort of being the Bill Clinton type Democrat that supposedly he used to be. And the Democrat Party doesn't seem to have room for the Bill Clinton Democrats anymore or the JFK Democrats anymore. This is a party that's been taken over by that left-wing radical radical fringe that is no longer the radical fringe, it's now the radical mainstream.

1:12:19And it's a socialist, communist kind of party. And it's a party, and our governor again, that is basically siding with mob violence and anarchy and chaos over the law, the rule of law, law enforcement, and those who have to enforce the rule of law. And that's what this conflict is now. And that's why it's a seminal moment in our history. And it's why I think President Trump is going to go down probably 150 years from now, because historians can't be objective, is one of our great presidents, because I do believe he's going to be successful in this and solve this problem because he has the law on his side.

1:12:53I mean, if he doesn't solve it, then we're in for disunion ahead. I mean, I don't see how you can have in a state with no internal, in a country with no internal passports, how you can have some states following immigration law and others ignoring it. It doesn't work. I mean, it just Democratic Party, which obviously you know a lot about, are there any candidates on the horizon who are reform candidates, like Bill Clinton in 92, like, okay, we went too crazy, we need to pull back a little bit and reorient around America's interests, who even say words like that? Do you see any of those? You know, I think the nearest thing to that would be Senator Fetterman in Pennsylvania, the guy that wears a hoodie.

1:13:37He seems to be sensible and willing to find common ground to work and support traditional things that all Americans have historically been for, what the old Democratic Party used to be for. So I think there is at least one lone voice in that party. You know, I haven't completely written myself off as a Democrat, believe it or not. I mean, I can't begin to tell you, you know, I'm a Trumpocrat. I say that openly, and I'm so proud to be that and grateful to President Trump personally. But frankly, put that aside, I think he's a great president, a necessary president. And he's doing things that must be done to save our country and then make it great again.

1:14:12First, we have to save our country. But no, the hatred and the vitriol on the far left Democrat side is palpable. I live in a neighborhood that used to vote for me a lot. And I was out on the street the other day, Tucker, I came back from downtown Chicago and some guy, he was a man, he was muscular, and I think he was a man, muscular, and then he had long hair, but he had a beard, a full beard. But what threw me was he was wearing a dress and combat boots. And he walked by and he took, you know, took a double take, recognized it was me. Then he gives me the finger. And my first reaction was, okay, you know, a guy like that gives me the finger.

1:14:51I'm going to, you know, probably give him an F you or give him the finger back. But then I wasn't sure whether it was a man or a woman. And I'm trying not to swear at women. So I had to hold my tongue. But that's sort of the element that's now a large, loud voice within the Democratic Party. And thank you for the work that you're doing, because I love our country. Now I'm saying what my government's done to me. I love my country. I've lived the American dream myself. There's no place like America. And this is the last best hope on earth, as Lincoln said, a true and a great Illinoisan. But thank you for the work that you're doing, because I believe, and I know you do too, that the forgotten American, the great, vast, silent majority that Nixon talked about and changed American politics.

1:15:30It still exists. It's what elected Trump last November. People with common sense believe in God, love our country, don't burn the flag, don't like people who burn the flag, believe in the traditional values of our country. They still make up most of the Americans, and I still believe, actually, most of rank-and-file Democratic voters. If those Democrat voters can get over the fact that they've been lifelong Democrats, because it's hard to change your love for your team. They can get over that, and they are. They're increasingly going to leave the Democratic Party, as they're doing, and that Democrat Party is going to increasingly become a party of crazy left-wingers, and whoever gets the nomination, whoever the Republican candidate is against them in two years, I think is going to have a long, hard time to be able to win.

1:16:16I think our country is waking up, and I think President Trump has been at the vanguard of that. And I'm not the only Trumpocrat out there, Democrat for Trump. You're definitely the most articulate. Rod Bogoyevich, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it. Good to talk to you again, Tucker. Thank you. Great to talk to you. Thank you. And thanks for joining us tonight. The fourth installment of our live experiment continues. We'll be back next Wednesday at 6 Eastern. Thanks a lot.

1:16:51We've got a new website we hope you will visit. it's called new commission now.com and it refers to a new 9-11 commission. So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew. The American public deserves to know. We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror. In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

1:17:29A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event. I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming. Who did that? You have to look at the evidence. The U.S.

1:18:03government learned the name of that investor, but never released it. Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not. The public deserves to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time why was no one ever punished for it? 9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true. And it's outrageous. This country needs a new 9-11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth, that tries to get to the bottom of the story.

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