Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

25:39I'm not a code breaker, but he would go, and none of them are there. So this was local, meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive. It wasn't hacked by. And that's how I knew Russiagate was a scam. And Russiagate served many purposes. One of them was to keep Trump from being the populist he ran on the first time. Yes. And the second part was to get people ready for the war in Ukraine because they had that in the chamber for over a decade. And so it propagated. I remember when George Bush said he met Putin and I looked into his eyes and I saw he's a good man. I'll never forget it. And then they were like, hey, what are you doing?

26:17We got to stop that. They would go fishing together on Kennebunkport and stuff. And so Putin was our friend. And then they were like, no, no, we got to have a war because Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street, they want to balkanize Russia. They want to split it up and sell it off for parts, which is what they do. Right. And they thought they were going to be able to do that with the Ukraine war. And as Angela Merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in Ukraine, that that wasn't really for peace. That was just so the Ukraine had the time to build up their military to get ready for this war that they provoked from Putin.

26:51And so but people don't know that in the United States. People don't know anything because the people who want that war own the media. and then people like me who know that and i tell that story i'm called considered borderline content on youtube and they call me a conspiracy theorist on wikipedia even though i was right about it and just like i was right about the syrian gas attacks which now the opcw admits that they suppressed the whistleblowers um but they i mean literally they had you go to wikipedia and it would say jimmy door's a conspiracy theorist because cnn says that the the gas attacks happen the way that and I'm like yeah that's all garbage and so anyway um they're smart they just like Michael Peretti said they only care about what you think which is why they control the media so they can control what you think right and you don't get a 35 million dollar contract for debunking Russia gate you get a 35 million dollar contract like Rachel Maddow got for pushing Russia gate in fact when the war started in Iran I watched the video of hers she's still blaming Putin she's saying he's doing the bidding of as if Putin wanted that to happen because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price.

27:54Yeah, that was an unintended consequence of this war. Trump had to take the sanctions off of Russia. And so anyway, but if you're Rachel Maddow, why not just come out against the war in Iran? I mean, that was a pure Trump thing and BB. Everybody in your audience hates Trump and BB. So why wouldn't you just say that? Why blame Putin? That's like insane. Because they have to keep that war going, I guess. And she's a puppet of the military industrial. Again, you don't get a $35 million contract. This is what she got for telling the truth. You know, Tucker, I use you as an example all the time. You know, you don't get fired for lying.

28:33He got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex, the Syrian war, which is when you and I first connected because we were the two people telling the truth. You were the only other person. And I thought, am I going insane? There's no evidence that this happened. I don't even know Assad. I didn't have strong feelings about Assad. He's certainly better than what we have now in Syria. But I was just like, this just seems as like a reporting matter, like a lie. And you were the only other person saying that. The only other person. I remember doing a video and I said, boy, if it comes down to me and Tucker telling the truth about this, we're screwed.

29:07And of course we are screwed because now Al-Qaeda runs Syria. Exactly. Exactly as I predicted. Exactly as Tulsi Gabbard predicted. I know. That if you get rid of Assad, who's going to take over Al-Qaeda or ISIS, by the way, which we're funding and probably created. So, isn't it interesting that ISIS and Al-Qaeda, the sworn enemies of Israel, never attack Israel? Isn't that interesting? It is kind of weird. Yeah, it's almost like they invented them for a purpose. People don't care. I talk about this. People don't care, especially my ex-friends in Hollywood. They have no idea about any of this stuff.

29:41They don't know that the... So they see a guy who's running Syria now, and he's got a blue Brooks Brothers suit on, and he's meeting with the president, and he's meeting with Petraeus. He's over at Downing Street, and they're like, yeah, he's our guy. I'm like, you know, he's the former head chopper from Al-Qaeda, right? Like, huh, what? They all look like Kash Patel. I don't know what's going on, you know? It's funny, even the Gulf Arabs, when Jelani took over Syria, they were more uncomfortable than our State Department. Our State Department was like, yeah, okay, it's totally fine because the Israelis wanted it.

30:20But even the Gulf Arabs were like, ooh, this guy's pretty scary. Like, really? We going with this? And Gaddafi predicted all this and that's why they had to kill him too. Oh yeah, he predicted. He gave a speech at the Arab League where he talked about, you know, you don't think they're going to come for you next. They're coming for you. And they did. And they came for him because, well, he was a threat to the petrodollar. because he was going to create the dinar, right? And the most successful country in all of Africa. And he was going to unite Africa, and they can't have that because they want to go in there.

30:49You know, as Michael Perrantes says, it's not a poor continent, it's a very rich continent. And they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their resources, which is what they do. And so he was going to unite the people of Africa, and they can't have that because that would be a threat to the euro, it'd be a threat to the US dollar. And so that's why he had to go. Plus, he said, if you get rid of me, they're going to flood western europe he thought he was safe because if they got rid of him then all the refugees uh would go flood but it turns out that's exactly what they wanted of exactly and why do they want that they want that for the because they again they want you hating your neighbor they want you to be afraid of your neighbor and fighting so just like in the united States?

31:33Why did they have open borders? And I'm very pro-immigrant but the reason why they want to flood the country is by the way, Bernie Sanders used to be against open borders. And he would say it's a Koch brothers scam. To lower wages, obviously. Lower wages and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poor more desperate people. Instead of coming together, realizing your common interests and fighting against the oligarchy. And what I tell people is if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you, pretty good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you.

32:15And so that's why I say, don't blame the immigrant because you would do exactly what they're doing. I agree completely. I would do whatever I could to get into the United States. 100%. Yeah. I would lie, cheat, and steal. I'd walk from Tegucigalpa any day. That's right. To give my kids a better life and myself. And so that's what they did in Europe. So you go there and it's to dilute the culture and get people fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man. But Gaddafi thought that. And he thought that they didn't want that. I didn't know that. He didn't realize that they wanted that.

32:47And as soon as they realized that they wanted that, he was gone. So there was many reasons to get rid of him. And of course, you know, Hillary Clinton famously said, we came, we saw he died. And she giggled about it because they're blood-soaked psychopaths. I don't think that's an overstatement. It's not an overstatement at all. Are you kidding me? They're all for the Iraq war. They killed a million people, right, in the Iraq war. And look what they did to Libya. Now it's got open slave markets still to this day. Nobody cares. They used plutonium-tipped bombs. So Gaddafi took desert and turned it into farmland.

33:24He created a water system, which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world. and they bombed it. They bombed it with depleted uranium tip bombs. Why? To make it a failed state. And so now the water is polluted with, you know, uranium. Was that NATO? Yeah, that's the good guys. Yeah, the defensive alliance? Yeah, the defensive alliance, right? UK, France, and the United States. We were the good guys. That's what people think. Just, I'll never forget when Tulsi was running for president, and she went on Stephen Colbert, who's one of the biggest disappointments ever to comedy. And he said, when she was telling the truth about Syria, right?

34:07And she was saying, we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and stuff. And he leaned over and he said, I see America as a force for good in the world with a straight face, with a straight face. That's a grownup man who's been in comedy his whole life. You think America is a force? Have you looked around the world? We have a thousand military bases. What has that gotten anybody? Did you see what we did to Iraq? Did you see what we did to Libya? Do you see what we're currently doing? It's all, again, that's why you get those jobs, because that's what you're going to say. Exactly. If they said something like I was going to say, I wouldn't get that job.

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35:53Extremely. He did the best show ever. I liked his show way better than The Daily Show when he did the Gold Bear Report. Yeah. And then he became that guy. How? Why? Who knows? Your guess is, I'm not a psychiatrist, but he became the thing he used to lampoon. He became that guy. And he just repeats military-industrial complex talking points. You know, he's he helped build up the momentum for the Ukraine war And they, you know, I said it about Jon Stewart, too. You know, Jon Stewart, who can supremely talented. These people are supremely talented, but he'll never tell his audience the truth about the Ukraine war.

36:32Just like he'll never tell people why he hung a medal on a Nazi at Disney World. Right. And he told the truth about the virus, the COVID virus on Colbert. I remember that. Which Colbert kept trying to stop him and take the legs out from underneath his comedy, which was brilliant. He had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera so he could finish his comedy bit about where the COVID virus came from. Do you remember this? Very well. Yes. And so he paid a big social price for that, Jon Stewart. He did? Yeah. And so he talked about, boy, I found out that I didn't know that certain medicines were political.

37:10He was talking about ivermectin. Yeah. There's a right-wing medicine. He talked about this. and then to make up for that he had to give a tongue bath to Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice I don't know if you remember that that's penance that is penance and then he had to hang a medal on a Nazi at Disney World which he'll never go anywhere where anybody will ask I'm a big fan of Jon Stewart but I just don't, you know, Chris Hedges told me when the first time he came on my show was that, I'm like Jon Stewart's great, he takes down both sides he's like he'll never challenge the establishment, Jimmy, which is why he's there.

37:45And I'm like, oh, in a meaningful way. And that's true. And that's why he's allowed to go on those TV shows and have a TV show. I mean, same thing with Bill Maher, right? If they were really a threat, they wouldn't be there. They're not a threat. But Bill Maher, I mean, Bill Maher, I don't want to be mean, but not a talented guy. I remember going to his house and he has this amazing house. and it's like, wow, you've really, on the basis of very little native talent, I mean, literally, I know comedians no one's ever heard of who are like kind of geniuses. Not the case for Bill Maher. This was 25, almost 30 years ago I first thought this.

38:25And I was like, wow, this guy, how did he get so successful? So remember when he did tell the truth, when he had that show? I'll never forget it. Yeah, so he told the truth about, well, the hijackers on 9-11 weren't cowards. He said, you could say whatever you want about them, but they gave up their own life for a cause. That's the opposite. And boy, oh boy, did he pay a price. And he got his mind right immediately. And so they canceled him. And the story I've heard was that his management company also represented the Sopranos, right? And so HBO wanted the Sopranos bad. And so they said, okay, we'll give the Sopranos, but you have to give Bill Maher a show.

39:07and that's how he got his show on HBO. And just like George Costanza said on Seinfeld when they were pitching a TV show on that sitcom, they asked George Costanza, why would anybody want to watch this? And he goes, because it's on TV. And that's why people watch Bill Maher, because he's on TV. And he gets big name guests, right? Which I'm jealous of, no doubt about it. But he won't bring on people. Every time he brings on someone that's to his left, he gets schooled and he gets embarrassed, like Glenn Greenwald. when Glenn Greenwald schooled him hard. I've showed that video many times. Glenn's amazing.

39:39I can't believe he had Glenn on. That was back in 2011 or 2010, and he's never had him on again. Of course not. Yeah. So anytime he has someone to his left, people don't like to, you know, people who consider themselves liberal, the last thing they want to do is be challenged from their left. And so he'll never bring, but Bill Maher, that's why he loves to be friends with like Ann Coulter and people like that, but he's not going to do that the other way. And so, yeah, that's what we're left with. And that's how he got that job. And nobody knows the ratings of HBO, right? They don't release them a subscription.

40:16But, and, you know, I'll say fully that I'm jealous of the influence he gets to have on the culture. And I'm jealous that he has that show. But it's waning for sure. Nobody likes him. That's the weird thing, right? No. You know, and my wife always says, can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at if he's going to be wrong about everything? I do think, though, the Gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight, kind of. Because, like, if you're defending that, you don't have to hate Israel or, you know, have any kind of wacky views. But, like, how could you defend that? How could a normal person defend that?

40:55You're not a normal person if you're defending that, I think. Tucker, you don't think Israel has a right to defend itself? I think everybody has a right to defend themselves. I just like, that's genocide, that's murdering children. So, and I think a person who's like, likes Israel, loves Israel even could say, yeah, I love Israel, but like, I love America, but I'm not gonna defend the grotesque things that our country has done. Why would I defend that? Exactly. I degrade myself and I lie when I do that. So why couldn't you say, yeah, I really love Israel, you know, but that's disgusting. What, they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong?

41:29Like, how could you defend that? And people don't know that there's a thing called the Greater Israel Project, which I didn't know. I didn't know most of this stuff until October 7th, right? I mean, I had covered when Israel would go in and mow the lawn. I would cover how horrible that was, but I didn't really understand the genesis of it, and I didn't understand what was going on. But after October 7th, I did. Now I understand. I understand that Israel was founded by terrorists' organizations, and there was a thing called the Nakba, and that they say it was invented because of the Holocaust, and that's not why, because Zionism had been around since the early 1800s.

42:06It has nothing to do with that. That was always a problem. And they couldn't get people to move to the middle of the debt. Nobody wanted to go. The Jews didn't want to go there, so they had to make a deal with Hitler to get people to go. So I know all that stuff now, and I know that it's why a two-state solution isn't the solution, and you have to have a one-state solution, which Bernie Sanders' video just went around of him saying that he doesn't support a one-state solution because then Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state. What? And he was, I support Israel. He said, this is our progressive lefty leader.

42:39I was shocked by that video. Is that real? That's real. Yeah, but he was also, two years earlier to that video, he was talking to Ezra Klein, and he said, yeah, open borders, that's a Koch brothers. So it's amazing, the real, but he's always been a warmonger. He was, you know, Bernie Sanders. He was for Kosovo and all that stuff. He was? Yeah. It's sad. Bernie Sanders, I saw one Bernie Sanders speech in person and it was, you know, in Iowa when he was running in 16 and it was all about the oligarchy's bad. And, you know, at the time I had pretty conventional views, but I've never been for oligarchy.

43:19Why would I be for that? It's the enemy of democracy. So I was like, you know, and I know a lot of billionaires and some are nice, but most are like gravely overrated. and like, I kind of liked his speech. You know, it was pure economic populism. Yeah. And then, so I thought, yeah, I get it. And by the way, the audience was not all like, I don't know, people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever. It was like normal people. And that really kind of - When he was on the anti-oligarch tour? Totally. Isn't it amazing that he didn't do any of those anti-oligarch tours when Joe Biden was president?

43:52I know. Kind of amazing. All of a sudden, oligarchy's a problem now. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Trump did, but somehow now it's a problem. And what else they didn't show you was that there were pro-Palestinian protesters that they had kicked out of those rallies. Actually? Yeah. I missed so much of the detail because that's not my world and I didn't expect to feel that way about it. Anyway. What I don't understand is, so I went to the 2016, I was a big Bernie Sanders. Yeah, yeah. And just for the record, I'm pretty sure he did oppose the Iraq war. So I don't want people going, he was a kid.

44:24But, you know, he played into the propaganda for the Ukraine war. And anyway, he won't call it a genocide anyway in Gaza. But I was a big Bernie guy. And I believed in him, right? Which is a hard lesson. Don't believe in politicians. Amen. Oh, I've learned that lesson. Yes. Oh, boy. It's a tough one. And so I went to the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia, right? Liberty Bell. and it was great. You walked into the convention and half the place was filled with Bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment, get money out of politics, overthrow the corporatists inside the party and give it back to the people.

45:08It was amazing. It was a ruckus. It was a real ruckus. I was there. I remember. And they turned the lights out on people. They used sound can, all kinds of stuff, right? I was there. You were there? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it was invigorating. I'm like, this is it. We got them. The next time we're going to have a convention, they can't stop this. This is a trick. Well, what they did was they got Bernie Sanders. So Bernie Sanders tucks his tail. He endorses Hillary Clinton and he extracts not one concession for doing so. Nothing. He didn't ask for anything for him, for his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton.

45:41And because Trump, right, which, you know, the Democrats, they say they hate Trump, but they love him because that's their biggest fundraiser is Donald Trump. Donald Trump goes away. How are they going to? So they have to make another. So not only did he do that, but he did nothing with his movement. Right. So we had half the people who voted in the Democratic primary on his side, probably more because he got cheated. So he did nothing. He didn't ask. Just like Barack Obama, when he got elected, he disbanded his followers. Right. His young people. Same thing with Bernie Sanders. And he didn't say, all right, what we're going to do is we're going to shut it down.

46:13We're going to have a protest here. We're going to have a protest there. We're going to go occupy Walter. We're going to occupy the DNC. We're going to make sure they get corporate. He didn't ask them to do anything, anything. And that's how you know. And that he was corrupted and co-opted, put it that way. And so same thing happened in 2020. They all got together, cheated him in a different way this time. And again, he just endorsed Joe Biden without asking any nothing. We didn't get a public option. We didn't get to raise the minimum wage. We didn't get nothing. Nothing. And so, and he didn't ask his followers to do anything.

46:51And he still won't ask his followers to do anything. Just like AOC. They won't say get in the street. They won't say go protest here, go protest there. They're playing along. They're good boys. What's AOC's game? What do you think she actually believes? She's a narcissist who's using politics for celebrities. She could easily be an actress in Hollywood. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Does she have a She shot at the nomination, do you think? You know, of course, I think. Why wouldn't she? I mean, she got up there and she lied at the DN. So let me get back to that. So they didn't have a convention in 2020, right?

47:26Because of COVID. So 2016, they have this convention. It looks like the people are going to take over the Democratic Party and return it back to the workers. That's what I thought. I thought there's no way they can stop this. This is a trade that can't be stopped. So then they don't have a convention in 2020. Bernie capitulates, asks for nothing again. And then the next time they have a convention was 2024. I went to that one in Chicago and you walk in and I'm sure I told you it was like I was at a Stepford Wives convention. Nobody cared. I would interview people and I would say, how do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing Kamala Harris?

47:58They're like, yeah, but we have a process. That's what they would say to a person. They would go, no, we have, she followed the process and we have a process. I'm like, yeah, but that process doesn't involve voting. Doesn't that bother you? didn't bother anybody. Seth Rich was part of the process. Yeah. And they, you know, it was just one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the Democratic convention. And to show you how, how failed Bernie Sanders and his movement is our revolution, which was the political organization he founded is now, and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in California, Tom Steyer, a billionaire.

48:34Really? Yes. A billionaire made his money in private prisons. so uh that's how bad it's gotten uh so there's i i hate to say this but you know and unless workers rise up in a real way they're like so if if so that's why i think trump knows he kind of has to end this war because if gas prices go to ten dollars a gallon which they could easily go to easily um that uh it will people are like hey i can't afford to do any i can't afford to go anywhere i can't afford to even drive to work so that would be that the paid would be so great at that moment, maybe people would rise up in unison. And so we'll see.

49:13But that's what it takes. That's what it's going to take. So, yeah. So 24 convention, it was just like a step. But I was like, oh, so it's all they got it. It's all over. And then and then, you know, the AOC goes on stage and says Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to get a peace deal. They weren't doing anything. Right. And she even said, I'm not going to I wouldn't change anything that Joe Biden did. she said that on when she ran The View. I wouldn't change anything. So, a woman who, the first time she ran for president, could get a vote. She had to drop out. She was like the first one to drop out.

49:44I'll never forget it. And then she becomes the vice president and then she becomes a nominee and still nobody voted for her. So, and because I criticize Democrats, because I was a Democrat my whole life until 2016, people immediately go, well, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, you must be a Republican. You must be a Trumper. You must be that. I'm like, no, no. Republicans never asked for my vote. Democrats did. And I got tricked by them. I got tricked by Bernie Sanders. I got tricked by AOC hard. I was the first TV show she came on. Well, I wouldn't call it a TV show, but I was the first show she came on.

50:19And she tweeted out, I was on Jimmy Dore's show today and all that stuff. And then as soon as she got elected, she never returned a phone call. Never. No way. No, no way. In fact, when I held her to her campaign promise with force the vote, which was trying to get them to extract something from Nancy Pelosi for their vote as her first speaker when there was only eight. So it was called force the vote. And it was a watershed moment because it proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the Democratic Party, they're not going to do what you want them to do. They're not going to even do what they campaigned on, very much like Trump.

50:53They're going to go along with the establishment. They wouldn't oppose Nancy Pelosi. They wouldn't extract anything. And the thing that they were, everybody agreed in the Democratic Party for decades, including Nancy Pelosi, that we need to have a vote for Medicare for all on the floor of the House. Not that it would pass, but that it would expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it. And it would start a national conversation about it and people would get informed about what it actually is and it would help build the movement for it. And they wouldn't do that. They all ran on it.

51:21It was in the DSA handbook from 2019. They opposed it. They opposed. And she ran on it. She said, we can't even get a vote for Medicare. Think about that. She said at a campaign rally, think about that. We can't even get a vote for Medicare for all on the House floor. She said that. So I'm like, boom, this is the thing to do. And so when I started to force the vote and I got a big coalition of people behind it and she said I was committing stochastic violence against her. No way. I've never really understood what that term means. It means that you're exposing them for being hypocrites. And so they have to try to discredit you some way.

51:57That's what that means. So you're a terrorist for... So I'm inciting violence against them with words. That's what they're trying to say. And because I said F-A-O-C. And she used that as a... Because that's not politics. That's stochastic violence. Okay. So what about Newsom? I think he's fantastic. Don't you think he's great? I think he cares about the people. I think it's great. I think he's going to make the country look as pretty as his hair. That's what I think. Does he? I mean, it feels like he's the nominee. We'll see. I mean, he's got the gift of the gab. Oh, he's unbelievable. He really knows how to, you know, it's like Obama.

52:43Like, I would feel better after Obama gave his speech. Oh, for sure. I feel good, and I know he's full of it. And I would feel better. It's weird. He has that. And he'll say literally anything. Literally anything. and he's fun to talk to like he's a very uh he's very charming like i will say yeah yeah he does all those movements all the time and he's got the hand thing and but is he in any sense like different from chuck schumer or pelosi or anybody like that no they're all no you don't get to be there if you are you you're not allowed to be the nominee if you are if you don't go along and play along you know you don't you know that's why um in 2016 you know But just like Brexit, democracy happened and they were like, well, we got to make sure this doesn't happen.

53:29When Trump got the nomination, they're like, we can't let this happen again. Right. And same thing with Brexit. And so it's all the crackdown on free speech and anti-democratic stuff. And they did Russiagate, which, again, already told you served dual purposes. And then they got and Trump got his mind right. And now Trump is one of them. And the people that he used to call out, people, he got elected for calling out neocons. Oh, yeah. That was his thing. People like, yes, finally there's a guy. Now he's the chief neocon. And people say, and I have to push back on this. A lot of people, you know, I still have friends in Hollywood that I go to dinner with and they're good people because they, you know, they have the right intentions, but they don't realize they're propagandized.

54:09And their whole thing is, oh, these idiots who voted for, how did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world? And I go, well, he did have a first term. His first term where he didn't start any new wars. So he was the first president in decades that didn't start a new war. Everybody gets two wars, right? And Clinton, Bush, Barack Obama, he expanded the Afghanistan war and he got to do Syria. Plus he did the drone wars, which killed 90 % innocent people. And he dropped more bombs than George Bush. People don't know that. Barack Obama dropped more bombs than George Bush. And so, and then Trump got in and he didn't do it.

54:45You're like, what? And then he, you know, he wanted to pull troops out of Syria. And we find out that the military lied to him and said they did and they didn't. Right. You know about that story. Of course. And so it was like, so he had a track record. And I did not, nobody saw that. So people say they saw it coming, that he was always a con man. Yeah. What politician isn't a con man? Yes. Right. But his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con I've seen since Nigerian princes learned how to email.

55:19It was amazing. Even more clever than any Nigerian prince I've ever been emailed by. He got people way smarter than me convinced. And I didn't vote for Trump. I never voted for Republican. I voted for Dave Chappelle. I wrote him in. But people think I did campaign rallies for Donald Trump. I didn't do campaign rallies. Well, I actually did. Yeah, I know. A number of them. Yeah. Yeah. than to wake up and substantively he's no different from chuck schumer on economics and foreign policy or lindsey graham or lindsey or lindsey graham um and you're like yeah but chuck schumer is like from for the for the republican brain is like you know evil yeah and it's like where do trump and chuck schumer disagree on the biggest issues and they don't and so They both want to keep you away from health care.

56:15They both want to do foreign wars. They both support Israel unconditionally in what they're doing. They both want to crush a worker strike. So that was why it was so important for Biden and the Democrats to crush that railroad strike because that would have set the template and an example. Just like the truckers in Canada, they'd had to stop that, immediately call them Nazis and white supremacists and they had to debank them and shut down. and they had to do that because they didn't want that catching on. Oh, yeah. And just like Michael Parenti said, they only care about what you think. And if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media wants you, they got a problem.

56:51And so that's why I had to crush that railroad worker strike immediately. And so that, again, this is what we need. We need workers to realize that we have, and, you know, there's this thing now where AOC wouldn't join with Marjorie Taylor Greene to oppose the genocide in Gaza. And she's like, well, she's white supremacist, whatever, you know, this whole thing. And, you know, that's not how you organize, right? And I experienced that when we had the anti-war. Right after the Ukraine war started, we had an anti-war rally in Washington, D.C., and Code Pink wouldn't join it. Code Pink, their whole thing is to begin this war.

57:25And they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they didn't feel agreed with their views on LGBTQ. Oh, come on. Are you serious? And I'm like, so that revealed, and I love Medea Benjamin. Yeah, yeah, I do too. But that organization just proved themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women. Totally fraudulent. Fraud, because that's not how you – everybody knows that, right? It's like, well, I'd like to stop a nuclear war, but not with those people. You know what I mean? That's it. So it's like that's what gives it power when you are able to join with people who you don't agree with on other things and vehemently disagree on other things.

58:04And you come around a single idea. That's what gives it the power. Exactly. It's just people that agree with you on everything. They can dismiss you and say, oh, those are those crazy lefties. But if you have these right-wingers who don't agree with you, that's what gives it power. And it's like I talk about, you know, I've been in unions all my life. And here's how you don't organize a union. You don't go to the shop floor and say, hey, who's here as a gun nut? All right, you're out. Who here doesn't agree with the trans agenda? All right, you're out. Who here doesn't agree with Medicare for All?

58:37OK, you're out. Who doesn't agree on the war? OK, you're out. All right, now I'm going to organize who's left. That's not how it works. No. And Christian Smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right wingers on Staten Island, a bunch of Trump voters, to go against Jeff Bezos and the oligarchy. You know, that's not how you go. You go, hey, we have a common interest. And our common interest is against the man. And so we can forget about those other issues and we can work on those later. But right now we have a bigger issue. and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy so we can get decent working conditions, we can get healthcare, we can get a decent wage.

59:11That helps lift everybody's vote. And so that's what they don't want you to know. That's the thing that, again, that's the only thing that scares people. And I have, you know, my audience is made up of, and I meet them when I go out and tour the country. I was just in Raleigh. I was just in Atlanta. I was just in, you know, I was in Houston. I was in Dallas. I was in Albuquerque. I go everywhere. and disaffected Democrats and disaffected Republicans. And the people, the disaffected MAGA people, they feel so betrayed. And that's that thing about, oh, they're such idiots at such convent. It's like, so if I, like I tell them, at least he had a track record and at least he would give lip service to the things that, they wouldn't even give lip service to it.

59:56Kamala Harris wouldn't even give you lip service. Well, he was also being persecuted, persecuted, literally persecuted by the establishment. So the idea that he would join with the establishment against his own voters seemed like crazy. That could never happen. They're trying to send him to prison for life. So you're like, those were his bona fides, his suffering at the hands of the establishment. You never thought he would join them. At least that's my own thinking. That's exactly right. In January 6th, which we now know is an FBI psyop. Totally. And Clay Higgins exposed that on your show even.

1:00:28Yeah. And but even before that, he was questioning the FBI director. And how many how many FBI assets did you have inside the Capitol before the riot started? I can't tell you that. What? The answer should be none. You would think. Yeah. So, of course, and so they did the same playbook in Brazil, by the way. So, again, you don't have to be a Trump fan or a Bolsonaro fan to realize that if they can do it to those people, They'll do it to anybody, which is what I tried to tell Cornel West when he came on my show. I know. And he wouldn't listen to it. Why? You don't think if they can do this to Donald Trump that they're not going to do it to you if you ever become a threat?

1:01:07Or they'll do it to Bernie Sanders if he ever becomes a threat? Or Jill Stein? Or anybody? Anybody who becomes a threat, they're going to— They used the exact same playbook on January 6th. They did it to Bolsonaro. They had a fake insurgency that overtook the Capitol, and they made it illegal for him to run for president. And the same thing they were trying to do to Donald Trump, but they couldn't. because he didn't cross that line. He didn't tell people to go. So anyway, and people don't realize, still to this day, people don't realize that. It was, the FBI did that. The FBI's not your friend.

1:01:40It's amazing what Trump did to the left. Trump got the left to go along with the FBI. All of a sudden, they're the good guys at the CIA. They're the good guys. It's amazing. We know that the FBI infiltrates every lefty organization. And we know, And this idea that we have to worry about right-wing terrorists inside the United States. Well, 9 out of 10, if not 99 out of 100 of those terrorist happenings are invented by the FBI, just like the Whitmers. Exactly. They were going to kidnap her. Turns out 9 out of the 13 people in the van were FBI. I mean, they do this over and over and over again. And so, you know, we're a victim of our end.

1:02:26And the same thing with big pharma. The people who went from protesting GMOs at our food flipped and went for, don't you question big pharma over the vaccine? How dare you? Don't you even question vaccines? Don't you? I'm like, what? Don't do your own research, which means don't read. And it's the most anti-intellectual thing. And people just accept it. You know, that's what dictators do. you. That's what they, you know, the church didn't want you to read the Bible. You had to go through the priesthood. That's right. That's why it didn't allow slaves to learn how to read. It was illegal. And they, and you got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that.

1:03:04Don't do your own research. Don't look into things. Just trust the government, trust the government and trust big pharma. And now we know they lied about everything. And those people still don't know anything. They still think ivermectin is a horse paste. Actually? Yes. People tell me on social media all the time, you ruined your reputation over ivermectin. I go, did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermectin? Did it ever occur to you that it's won the Nobel Prize for human medicine, that it's on the WHO list of essential medicines? It's been prescribed a billion times for humans, say billions alive.

1:03:36Did it ever occur to you that before COVID, they were looking at it to cure cancer? And now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer. The last one, that 80 % of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission, no growth in their tumor, or recession, I don't know if that's a term, 80%. So you've been lied to about ivermectin, and people, well, now Chris Cuomo will admit that he was, he goes, well, they lied to us. Yeah, Chris, that's why you're supposed to be the journalist, and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you. You're supposed to actually look into it, which would take five seconds for you to look it up on Google, what is ivermectin?

1:04:15But of course, he didn't do that. him and Don Lemon would just scoff at Joe. They had to, think about this. They had to color Joe Rogan's skin green. CNN did that when he got COVID. And he got better right away and he did a video. They colored his skin green. You know that, right? Oh, of course. Yeah. So that's a threat to the establishment. And so why would they do that? Why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste? Why do you think they did that? They did that because it could treat COVID and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine. That's why they did that.

1:04:50Same thing with hydroxychloroquine. They wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of COVID. I know that because my doctor told me that. And she did it anyway. She gave people and they came to her and they go, hey, why are you giving steroids? She said, because my patients are living and your patients are dying. And so I've been lucky to have good doctors. Yeah, and you saw it early. Well, I got vaccine injured. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what, so I didn't know. I didn't know that they would lie about a virus. I didn't know that they would lie about it. I bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody, I didn't know that there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines.

1:05:27I never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby to the time it's 18 for a vaccine. I never questioned. Why did they give the hepatitis B vaccine, the first shot they give to a baby? You only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or unprotected cysts. Are there a lot of horror babies running around hospitals? Is that what's happening? So, and people don't ever think about that. I was at a Hollywood party and I was talking to a doctor and this is before the election. He's where I'm really worried about RFK is gonna take away our vaccines. And I said to him, do you know how many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule?

1:06:01And he's what, I go 72 and his jaw hit the floor. And I go, you know, the first one, just like I said, it's hepatitis B. And he's like, what, why would they do that? I go, what do you think they'd do that? For money, what do you think? Because they can't get people to take it. So they just put it on the vaccine schedule. That's how it got on there. Read the Midwestern Doctors blog. It explains everything. The Midwestern Doctors blog. I just want to plug that. Anyone who hasn't read that unsubstack. Midwestern doctor. Yeah, he's a... I don't think he uses his name. No. Right. He's a kind of genius and a very decent person.

1:06:36Yeah. Well, does his own research. It does his own research. He reads. He reads. He reads studies. So speaking of, I have to ask you about this because it's not related to anything we've been talking about, but we're talking at breakfast about Carl Jung, the famous psychoanalyst who is often described as the protege of Sigmund Freud, but a little more complicated. Right, exactly. No, they're completely different. He broke with Freud big time. In fact, Freud disowned him. Yes, and hated him and was jealous of him. Who was he? why do you read them? So Carl Jung, by the way, it's very interesting how it connects to COVID because he realized that your psyche has a need for the sacred and the religion.

1:07:23And he said, if you don't have that, if you don't have a connection to that, that you will project it outward. And that's exactly what happened. So, you know, liberals, the people I know in Hollywood, they're not, you know, spiritual, religious. And so they turn science into a religion. and they turn Fauci into their deity. And so you can't question it. You can't question religion. You're a heretic. So you can't question science. Don't do your own research. Don't read the Bible. Don't read the, all that. It was this, and I saw it happen right in front of my face. And so Carl Jung is, he was way ahead of his time.

1:07:56And so we share the same birthday, which he would say is a synchronicity. But I had a quote from him on my fridge for years and I never understood it. and and but it stayed on your fridge yeah because i guess i had a feeling there was some too and he said you know about enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light it comes from making the darkness conscious and until you make the darkness conscious it will control your life and you'll call it fate and so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self and then we project it so the things we hate the most and the things we love the most are really a religious experience and religious meaning rejoining.

1:08:42So we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto a thing, onto another person. And that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for Trump had Trump in their shadow, right? That's the part of them that they, you know, Keith Olbermann, you know, people, those kinds of people, right? So they have that. And so they project it because that's the part of themselves they hate the most, right? And so same thing when you love something, like when a male falls in love, that, you know, love at first sight, that's you're projecting a thing called your anima. That's your female side that's in your unconscious and you project it onto another person and you feel that like you're being energized from the inside because you are.

1:09:23And then you get married and then of course the projections fall off and you're like, who's this person that's what happens to a lot of people right and that's what happens in midlife right a lot of guys in midlife they have an anima projection and they feel like i can't live without this person because it's a connection to their own soul your anima represents your soul and so it's and you're like well how could i how could i you know disavow my own this this relationship because it feels like if i do i'll die and it's their first connection to their own self a religious or rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind.

1:10:00And so Carl Jung knew we had a soul, knew there's a God, which, you know, Freud was totally against all that. Freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever. And Jung wasn't. Jung had mystical experiences. He had direct experiences of the divine. And he saw the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't. He saw that they didn't, he knew he had direct, if you read Memories, Dreams, Reflections, he talks about it. His autobiography. Yeah. He talks about how the clergy, they were just, they were all empty, especially his father. And he would, when he would question it, his father was like, he didn't have answers and he didn't want him to talk about it.

1:10:45And he could see how empty they were, that they was, there was just dogma that didn't, they didn't have direct experience of the divine. And he did. And I've had that since I started reading Jung, and so I've been going inward, right? So Jung says, he who looks outward dreams, he who goes inward awakens. And so I have a direct connection to the divine. I've had numinous experiences. What's a numinous experience? It's like a sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will. And it takes you over, right? And I experienced that when I quit smoking pot. People are like, why did you quit smoking pot?

1:11:33I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it. And it was hard. So people who say that marijuana is an addictive, it is. I was at least six months before I could sleep. And it was horrible. I was in bad shape. and I just knew I had to quit. How did you know? Again, like I said, I just had this outside, I felt like there was something guiding me to do this. And so I did. And your dreams are your psyche, or as Jung would call it, the self with a capital S, meaning the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols. And we share a collective.

1:12:12So you have a personal unconscious, right? The things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow. And then you have a collective unconscious, which Joseph Campbell also talked about. Yes. And my first entree into this was Joseph Campbell. And he talked about how different societies who had no way of connecting with each other use the same symbolism to explain life and the spiritual. Literally, in a way that's spooky. Spooky. It's shocking. and Jung figured that out that we had we have a collective unconscious meaning there's only one consciousness right so you're not there's not your consciousness and then the God conscious there's just one consciousness and we're a part of it and the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake and so we're part of it and as we evolve our consciousness we evolve the world's consciousness right because we all share a collective unconscious and one of the ways he figured it out was that um he would have dreams and there would be symbols in his dreams and he didn't know what they meant but he could tell that they were meaningful and then he he was reading about the alchemists now everybody thought the alchemists were trying to turn lead into gold but what they were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into gold and they had to do it hide it from the church and so he they had figured out what some of these symbols meant and he saw them write about the symbols that he was seeing in his own dreams and he was like oh my god i'd never read this before how would i know about this symbol to show up in my so that's when he started to figure out that we all share a consciousness yes that there is one consciousness there's the one and uh so it's it's pretty heavy get glimpses of that i think occasionally people in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a connection between all peoples there there's only you know it's like it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate, right?

1:14:10You're all part of the same head, you're all part of the same body, we're all part of the same consciousness, there's only one. And we've split ourselves off from it, we've split that into our unconscious. And so if you go into your unconscious, and one of the great ways is to go into your dreams and see what they're saying to you, and treat it, and you know, like Rumi said, what you seek, seeks you. And so the more attention you pay to your unconscious, the more it will rise up to meet you. And so I've had numinous experiences. I've had this experience, the divine. I've experienced my encounters with archetypal figures in my dreams that have guided me.

1:14:52How did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect your dreams? Well, they became way more vivid and more often. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I speak with a youngie psychoanalyst once a week, and he used to be the head of the Young Center in Los Angeles, and he's remarked to me, you know, often that, you know, you're one of the most prolific dreamers that I've ever encountered. And often when I'm telling him about dreams, he'll just go, oh my God, like he says that a lot. And so it's been a real awakening. And I realized that I'm not separate from the divine. I realize that I'm not this body, that I have an eternal soul.

1:15:38And even though this body dies, that I don't die. That death is not the opposite of life. Death is the opposite of birth. Life has no opposite. It's eternal. And so once you realize that, it changes a lot of things. Like what? It changes how I look at everything. I look at the oneness of everything. I look at this isn't permanent. This body is not permanent, that I have an everlasting soul that I have to pay attention to, that I have to get in touch with, and it fills my life with real meaning. And, you know, part of it too is - This is your most radical position of all the radical things you've said since we sat down.

1:16:19This is the most counterculture thing you could say. Well, people think they need a priest or they need a preacher or a church, which is all good. The community is good. but you don't need them because you already have a connection to the divine within you and that's where you need to go. And once you realize that, then you don't need them. That's why they don't tell you about that. And Jesus said that, where did he say the kingdom of heaven is, Tucker? The kingdom of heaven is in you. You are the light of the world and what I do, you will do and greater. And people, they don't need you to know that, which is why they got rid of the parts of the Bible that talk about that kind of thing.

1:16:57And so it's, I was a Sam Harris atheist. I was a grown-up Catholic, went to Catholic school for 12 years. It never spoke to me. And the people who seemed to be most Catholic seemed not to really embody it. And so I was an atheist, I thought. I thought this was it. This is it. And when you're dead, you're dead. And now I realized, no, this is... What changed your mind? That's a big change. Well, I had this big dream. It usually starts with a big dream. So I had this dream. I was kneeling down in front of my house, in front of the bushes. I had a fish hook on a string. And I was dragging it through the dirt in front of my bushes.

1:17:46And in my dream, I'm thinking, what am I doing? What am I looking for? And then I saw underneath the dirt, I saw it start moving. like there was an animal underneath there and I was like what the heck and all of a sudden there's this black cat emerged and it was all grimy and it had like an oil-like substance on it and I'm like how could it be even breathing how could it be under there for so long and not be dead and then it got up and walked around I'm like well it's it's okay it's it's alive and willing and so what that so I knew that meant something I didn't know what I I sought out uh I started reading Jung.

1:18:19I sought out Rebecca Eigen, who helped me understand Jung. I got a Jungian analysis. And so that was, you know, what you seek is seeking you. That was the divine, the unconscious telling me, you're ready. You're ready to go into your darkness. You're ready to go into your shadow. You're ready to go into your unconscious. You don't know what you're going to find there. And it's probably going to be scary and you don't want to find it, but it's there and it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution. And so here I am and I'm doing it. What kind of reaction did you get from your friends?

1:18:59They don't know. They don't really say, you know, I don't really have these kinds of conversations very often. I have them on my podcast with people. Like there's, I have a book club where we read Carl Jung and we go through it and we talk about it. It's really, it's, it's my favorite thing to do in the world. If I could just do that, I would just do that. You would just read Carl Jung and talk about it? Just read Carl Jung and talk about it. Because that's what it's really all about. Yeah. That's so different from the world you've lived in, though. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Again, I was an atheist. I didn't know.

1:19:31I didn't know that, you know, they asked Carl Jung, is there a God? Do you believe in God? He said, I don't believe I know. Because he experienced God. He went from 1913 to 1917. He was, you know i don't know how to describe it i've described it as he could give himself a uh you know a psychedelic trip in a way he can somehow consciously access his unconscious he could um meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious your anima if you're a male your soul he would say is your anima which is your female your feeling function it's real and it's autonomous and it's in your unconscious and if you're a female it's your anima which is the male counterpart and uh so he encountered these these figures in his and i've encountered some of them so i had one of those experience so um you know it was scary it's scary to go into your shadow and the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting onto other people yes and so the the idea is boy that's so that's like so familiar to anyone who's self-aware you do we all do that Yeah.

1:20:36So the idea is you make it conscious, this darkness, this part of you that you hate, you make it conscious and you integrate. You don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense. And you integrate it into your conscious mind so you don't have to project it on anybody anymore. And your consciousness is, you become, so that goal isn't to become a better person. The goal is to become a more whole person and not split off from who you are. And so that's a, to me, that's the, that's the goal to be, to, to make the unconscious, conscious, integrated. And even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself, like, you know, I've been dealing with the, the unrestrained masculine, right?

1:21:18Which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when I don't need to be. And, but you need that part. You need to be able to set boundaries. You need to be able to be angry when you need it, but you need to be aware that where it's coming from. So it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life. and even if you think it's negative it's good in a sense for instance right so the part look I always give the example of um so like you have this you know you have shit in your uncaused oh that stuff is smelly and dirty I don't want to know that it's part of me but and what helps a rose grow you need manure yes and so out of manure comes a beautiful rose so you just have to know how to use it, right?

1:22:01Just like electricity. Um, if I don't know, I'm not an electrician. So if I tried to wire your house, it'd burn down. Yes. Right. But if somebody knows how to do it, it'll light up the whole house and the whole world. Right. So you got to know how to use it. And so it's that power. So that darkness comes creativity and it also can help you blossom. And so you need, so it's the idea again is to become whole. And, um, that's, and most people don't do it. And it's hard work because you don't want to see. And, you know, a lot of guilt comes with it, right? Because you find out that in your past, you've done things that hurt your own soul and you feel guilty about it.

1:22:40And I've had that, right? Where I realized through my dreams that I've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul. And the overwhelming guilt that I felt in my dreams, and Jung talks about this, that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt. And I just, I was like, oh my God. And so it's, people don't want to do this work because it's painful, right? And they don't teach this, and they teach Freud because it's easier. Teach materialism. They don't teach Jung. Carl Jung was about, you know, your soul and your religious experience, your numinous experience, the encounter with the divine.

1:23:24And if you don't have that, you're going to project it, just like people did during COVID. It does seem, I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but there is a concerted, organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent, the eternal, the divine from people's consciousness. Like it's never mentioned, it's considered a crackpot even to talk about that. The idea that there's, you know, a world that we can't see, that's meaningful, that we're connected in any way other than physically. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny the eternal as ours is. Well, there's this guy, his name is Bill Donahue and he's dead now.

1:24:07But he talked about that everybody says they believe in, you know, spirits and the Lord and the Holy Spirit and angels. And then when they show up, you're like, oh, it's crazy. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what they do. But just don't forget the kingdom of heaven is inside you. It's not outside you. It's inside you. You are the light of the world. When did this come to you? it was right before covid was right when covid started i had that big dream and then i started to go into my unconscious do you notice people around you starting to ask questions have thoughts like this it does feel like more people are thinking i have noticed you know unfortunately yes but they have questions but they they seek it you know the answers in the wrong places you know and they go into organized religion and i think you know again I'm not here to put down religion.

1:25:07I think people need community. But, you know, too often it's about control and that you need to get to God. You need to come through me, which is, you know, you don't need anybody or anything. You have a connection to the divine and it's inside. It's not external. Everyone feels that on some level. Okay, so I want to end by asking. I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, by the way. Oh, I'm not either. Okay? I just know what I've experienced. It's just kind of weird speaking of the collective consciousness that a lot of people I know, like more than 10, started having thoughts like this right around or just before COVID.

1:25:46Okay. Almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it. people who had never thought about anything like this at all, who were totally wrapped up in material concerns, like the ones you mentioned, accumulating wealth, succeeding at work, you know, just whatever, what we're trained to do. A lot of people I know all of a sudden are like, hmm, praying? Maybe that's a real thing. Maybe I should listen to voices whose sources I can't see, stuff like that. Yeah. Again, you know, Carl Jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself that was placed in his head by God.

1:26:30And he had a direct experience with God. And so I've had those experiences. And not only do I experience God in my dreams, but I realized that everything is a reflection of God. Everything is God in my conscious life and my unconscious life. God is everywhere, everything. The kingdom of heaven is laid upon earth, but the eyes of men don't see it. So it's now, you know, now is the time to meet God, to know the divine and to know your true identity. It's scary, you know, to do that. I had this dream.

1:27:15um i had several dreams that completely changed my life one of them at the beginning i was scared you know of this journey and um i was in the jungle there was a clearing in the jungle and i was sitting there and out from the jungle came this like it was like half human half ape but the head was like a lion and i was like and it came over to me and to put his hand out and I was like oh it's gonna crush me you know I was afraid it's crazy but it took my hand very gently and walked me into the jungle and I'm like what the hell is this me you know and a couple weeks later I'm reading a book and there was that symbol that the lion face the half ape like what and it's a mithraic that's called a mithraic god and so that's part of the collective unconscious that's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious we're one consciousness that we all share and i'm like oh my god and so i interpreted that to mean that um it's okay it's going to be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious and i'll be there with you to help you and guide you and it you know so that was just one thing i have many things like that that's one of them and when i saw that picture I'm like, oh my God, that was the thing of my dream.

1:28:33And so that's one of those things. I had no knowledge of that. I never seen a picture of that before. I never, but there it was in my dream in a meaningful way. Wow, that's wild. It was wild. I know people think you're crazy when you talk about this stuff. No, yeah, on one level, for sure, it's forbidden. It's way more forbidden than criticizing Israel. I mean, this is the actual, no, it's true though. This is the actual third rail, I think, is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical or people are like, come on now. But everyone knows it's true.

1:29:09Yep. And again, I go back to everybody, you know, believes in the Holy Spirit. Everybody believes. But then when it shows up, like, oh, what are you, nuts? You think you talk to spirits? And stuff like that. Yeah. Other countries are different. It's like, yeah, of course, of course you do. So let me just ask you about this country or the West, you know, The liberal democracies that resemble ours, every one of them is coming apart. Every one of them has reached kind of the end of a life cycle. They're not serving their people at all. All of this is, this whole project is being - They've become the fascists that they were supposed to be.

1:29:43They mean they're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want. Exactly, exactly. You know, they're doing austerity now in Europe and Germany and they're ratcheting up for a war with Russia. Jeffrey Sachs just wrote an open letter to Germany like hey stop this and they'll ignore him and of course they will what a good man he is liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic they're illiberal they're illiberal and undemocratic just like they proved during COVID immediately censorship shut up, don't ask questions, don't talk against the establishment and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will or you can't go to work, you can't travel, you can't go to school.

1:30:26That's Nazi stuff. Oh, of course. And again, if it works, you take it. Why do you need me to take it so the medicine works on you? That never made any sense. It will never make any sense. Because actually it's not your body or your choice. Well, they stopped saying. So you stopped. You noticed that around COVID, they stopped saying I'm pro-choice and they literally started saying I'm pro-abortion. I know. That's what I was like. I'm out. whatever this is, is too dark for me. But okay, so all of this, I think, thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years, is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention that this system is fake.

1:31:04It's not serving its intended beneficiaries. And it's kind of over. So then the question becomes, well, what next and how do we get there? And the two potential paths are violent revolution, which I'm opposed to, or somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system. Yeah. And what... Well, Larry Fink is afraid of a violent revolution. Oh, they're all afraid of it. He said that they're going to start drone bombing these data centers. He's afraid of that. Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah, because they know how hated they are. You know, and they did and Jeff Bezos did this softball interview with NBC last week or two weeks ago and he talked about how if I pay more taxes is not going to help the nurse in Queens and all that stuff, you know?

1:31:50And he goes, if I do my job right, it's going to help people more than my philanthropy, right? Oh, really? If you do your job right, you know what the turnover rate in an Amazon fulfillment center is? 150%. Yeah. 100 to 150 % every year. So that means every eight months, 100 % new workers. And so why do one third of your workers at the richest guy in the world are on government assistance. Why am I subsidizing your employees? Exactly right. Same, you know, same thing you hear about Walmart. This is the country we've devolved into when you have a government by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs, and the workers get screwed.

1:32:25So that's where we're in. And exactly what I said before, the, oh, bless you. The only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor, don't fall for it, that your neighbor is the white supremacist, Nazi, racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy. No. They're, again, suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under. Join with them. Oppose those people, the WEF globalists who actually run everything. You know, it's funny. People talk about communism. You don't get choice. People think back to... But capitalism has led us to the same thing.

1:33:00There's three companies that own everything. Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock. That's the real boss. Trump has a boss. And I try to tell people that, you know, the Congress is that they're not... They're not doing the bidding. When they have a session of Congress. People go, oh, do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff? Well, yes, actually they do. It's called Davos. It's called the Bilderbergs. Now we know that's real. People just think that was crazy. Big time. I used to say, no, it's just a session of Congress. You think when they get together, they're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly.

1:33:32They're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the donor class, the people who actually, they're bosses and it ain't you. That's just a fact. That's a fact. No longer, I don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even. It's just, it's all proven now. But because it is proven, that means it can't continue under the current terms. So I don't think given everything you've said, you want violence. But is it inevitable? Like, how do we get out of this? Well, John F. Kennedy said those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable, right?

1:34:08Or some version of that. Well, that's certainly true. And so, you know, we have more guns in this country than people. so in a sense that's good because the government's supposed to fear the people not the other way around what exactly when you fear your government that's tyranny and right now i think people do fear their government yes again i'm not calling for a violent revolution but uh i i you know i think we if workers come together you have to shut down the machine and if you can shut down the machine in a meaningful way if all the truckers stop trucking if all the railroad workers stop going to work port workers that's how you gain control of your but you see they give them the port workers they gave them a nice contract right before trump got into office so they they see it coming right and so they're they good day oh we don't want them to get upset we don't want them to so or if all the teachers didn't go to work if all the grocery store workers didn't go to work you know i'm that's the only way if you if anybody else has another idea let me know i'll be all for it but to me that's the way that that history proves that you you can have peaceful revolution.

1:35:10Yeah, I would just correct you on the no teachers that we actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work and the people in charge really enjoyed it because ignorant kids mean more viable kids. But critical, true critical functions if they stop working maybe will force people to pay attention, I guess. Remember who the essential workers are? It's not middle management. No. is it the consultant class no it is not oh it's not it's not the professional managerial class what about the private equity people they don't know they are not essential you couldn't i don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes right they just print the money exactly did you see that video where they asked um i forget the guy's name but it was joe biden's economic advisor and someone said hey if we print our old money why do we borrow it and he was like for five minutes he's like well that's good oh we print money we definitely print money we definitely borrow money and he goes i don't know that's a good question he couldn't answer the question you ever see that video no yes but i've actually wondered myself i wonder it too if they could just create money quantitative easing they just invent it because they don't give that money to you no it gives you the banks and and so what people don't realize people fear socialism because they fear it's going to take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots.

1:36:34But what our version of capitalism has done, this oligarchy, it's an upward transfer of wealth. That's what happened during COVID. Of course. How many billionaires got invented? And it's continuing. It's an upward transfer of wealth from the working class to the oligarchs. That's where we're in right now with three companies that run everything. So again, I don't see that as overstatement. Like, I think that's just true what you said. So I don't know. I'm very concerned because I do think the people who are benefiting are so rigid. That's what I have. The main thing I noticed how rigid they are.

1:37:11They can't handle any disagreement whatsoever. Right. No, like Teddy Roosevelt rolls in and he's like a product of the ruling class. He is the ruling class. He becomes president by default. The president's assassinated 1901 and he becomes president. He's like, look, this system will collapse unless we give a little bit. And he was the only president of American history able to make that case. And he kind of did adjust it enough that it continued another, well, 125 years. Yeah. But I don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or even just like intelligence.

1:37:47They're too stupid to understand. They're screwing themselves by being this rigid. That's my view. Well, it's the, you know, also FDR saw that there was a revolution of the workers. Yes. And he was afraid that he told his ruling class, hey, this is coming here. Big time. If you don't give people some of your money. If you don't give them some of their money, they're going to take all of your money. Yes. And so he gave people jobs. He created the jobs program and created social security. The CCC. Yes. And things like that. And, but then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists, right?

1:38:18Yeah. And because they were a very force for, so not that, Anybody's for communism, but you need that kind of counterbalance. And the economic populace above all. That's right. Exactly. So Huey Long somehow gets assassinated before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards. Kind of weird. Sorry, excuse me.

1:38:41But either Roosevelt, they're different, but they have the same impulse, which is this system is out of whack and it's going to get taken down by force. unless we adjust it a little bit. And I don't see the current, I don't see Larry Fink is capable of doing that. Do you? Quite the opposite, right? It's more, you know, capitalism always, at the end stage, devolves into fascism, which is where we are. The surveillance state, these data centers, flock cameras, they built$80 billion for ICE to get the illegal immigrants. By the way, they're not. I know. So what is that police force? It's for you.

1:39:21Of course. Right? And so when you wake up, and so now they're going to make you a terrorist. You're going to be an anti-technological terrorist, just like they had eco-terrorists, people who – and so you're going to be the terrorist, and those prisons are for you because they're not getting – they want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap labor. That's always a joke. They're not getting rid of them. That's all – all that stuff where they're shooting people, that's all for show, right? That's not – you are the target, and that's what those prisons are for. And now we've got their own private Gestapo called ICE.

1:39:51and what could go wrong? You take 50 ,000 TGI Friday bouncers and give them guns, masks, and unmarked cars and turn them loose. Well, because the truth is that illegal immigrants, you know, the guys like hiring at a day rate out of, you know, Home Depot parking lot, you know, there's a lot of drunk driving, but in general, not that unruly a group. Correct. There's people looking to work. You know who's unruly is like you. You're unruly. No, I'm serious. You're born here. You have a birthright. You feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interests because you own the government.

1:40:25You're a huge problem. And you and people like you. Well, that's why they tapped into my phone using Pegasus. Actually? Yeah, that actually happened. So when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I did it via Zoom. I was in Italy at the time, and it was on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing. Oh, yes. And so they asked me to speak Russia. And so I accepted. and I gave a speech and I gave it to him. You know, like you're all dupes and idiots if you think that this was done by Russia and the fact that, you know, Germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy.

1:41:00Now they're paying two and three times higher for internet and to go along with this and you're all morons. And I basically use that language. And so on the plane ride home, I had my laptop. At that time, I used to travel with my laptop. I don't anymore. And it said, MacBook The now controls your iCloud account. And I was like, what? what is this? I don't even know what the heck. So I get off, I call my IT guy who is a former, uh, in military intelligence, right. And his whole job is to try to crack into company's computer system to find vulnerabilities. So I call him and I tell him, I go, Hey, did this happen?

1:41:35And he goes, Oh my God, Jimmy, even I couldn't do that. And I said, what, what? And so I, he, I give him my computer, I give him my phone and he said, that was Pegasus. And I go, well, who did this? He goes, it wasn't a person. No. this was a state actor yeah and i was like and so it happened immediately after i testified uh at the un security council and so that's why i have two phones now right so one's the phone so now they got me tucker by the way if i ever become a threat they got me they either have all my compromising material and my icloud on my computer on my phone or they planted something because what so they got me right so i gotta and so if you'll know if i'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out uh it's because i now have become an actual threat no that's so true i we i did an interview with clen greenwald the last summer here and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on netanyahu literally the next day that's that's exactly right this tape comes out of a super embarrassing Glenn Greenwald sex tape, which I didn't watch, but I just want to say how much I love Glenn.

1:42:44Those aren't connected. Of course. I know immediately. The first person to defend him was Charlie Kirk, which is just incredible. Charlie Kirk, the new Seth Rich. You're not allowed to ask questions about that. Charlie Kirk is the evangelical, pretty darn anti-gay, and then Glenn Greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape, and Charlie Kirk is the first guy to be like, Glenn Greenwald's a good man. Man, I thought that was, makes me emotional thinking about it. Yeah, I mean, Charlie had started to have an awakening. Oh, you think? He had a lot younger than I had it. And so that's why they had to kill him.

1:43:21And when I say they, I mean multiple. There was a conspiracy to kill him. It wasn't some guy, Tyler Robinson, with his grandpa's rifle, which was never fired, which is why they couldn't find that rifle. You have to swallow so much stuff to believe the story that the establishment is pushing for Charlie Kirk's assassination. You have to think that this, first of all, a.30-06 bullet didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window in the back of his neck. Somehow he had a miracle. His miracle bullet, remember that? Hey, can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle?

1:43:56Do you have an actual explanation? No. So, but it goes back to, so this guy gets to the campus, He drives three. All of a sudden, he wakes up one day and goes, you know what? I'm going to commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years. He drives to the campus. He finds the open stairwell. It's open. Nobody's there. He brings the gun up, but it's too big. So he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack. Still too big for his backpack. So he has to put it down his pant legs is what they tell. But then if he did, he couldn't go up the steps because he couldn't bend his knees. So I don't know how he got it up there.

1:44:26Nobody will tell me. So he gets up there and then he changes his clothes. He's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes. That's according to the governor. He was up there for eight to 10 minutes. Nobody sees him. The cops don't see him. The million dollar security team doesn't see him. Nobody sees him except people in the crowd did see him. And they don't tell you that. Just like in Butler, Pennsylvania, people in the crowd saw him. Guess who didn't see him? The cops, the local cops, the state cops, the Secret Service. People see him. So and then he so he puts the gun together. He lines up the shot, puts a scope on it.

1:44:56By the way, if that scope was on and he couldn't fire that gun because of the same. Anyway, so he lines it up, takes the shot, hits it. Perfect. perfectly takes the gun apart, leaves the screwdriver there, puts it under a towel. Spider-Man's his way off the top of a building, runs across campus with the gun, apparently under a towel. Nobody sees this. He runs into the woods, puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver. He's a regular MacGyver, this guy. And then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir. And if you think anything else besides that, you're a crazy Jew-hating conspiracy nut.

1:45:31do you know that the uh they had they were they had the gun the gun sniffing dogs right that and which they can they can sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain right they were looking all over they couldn't they didn't find it the fbi shows up a minute later we got the gun did you know that no yeah you could uh baron coleman's been doing great work on this and he got the police transmitter uh all that stuff he got that that's available and so it wasn't until the FBI showed up oh well we got it the local police couldn't find it and the dog sniffers couldn't find it they can find it and they couldn't but then the FBI showed up but they found it in the exact place so and now they wouldn't even release that to the defense team they're still holding God to it and then of course then he decides to text his lover instead of waiting for him to get home it's only a three hour drive he's like you know what he said I wanted to take this I wanted to take this secret to my grave first of all he talks like he's reading a Jane Austen novel.

1:46:29My love. And then he says, I wanted to take this secret to my grave, but fuck it. I'm just going to leave it here on a text message to you so the FBI can find it. And so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to go out in a blaze of glory. Because the original text messages that they said he wrote said, I don't want to go to prison. I'm not going to go out. I don't want to be dragged through the courts. I'm going to go. So he was supposed to get shot, just like in Butler Crooks. He was supposed to get killed. He didn't. He went and turned himself in, which screwed up their plan. And so they had to rewrite those text messages.

1:47:09Did you know that there's text messages one and text messages 2.0? So they had to rewrite this. Yeah, that's all. And they said that he confessed on Discord or on Reddit. And of course, now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said that he did that. So what guy shows up, turns himself in, pleads the fifth, I'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets there, but then he goes on the internet and gives a confession? Okay, so this is obviously a setup and you're not allowed to ask questions about it. And if you are, you are attacking a grieving widow. And that's, again, when did Jackie O ever say, quit looking in, stop, quit looking into who killed my husband?

1:47:48Never, that's not what happens. And that's not how you grieve, by the way. I remember when my dad died, My mom immediately bought a gold sequined pants outfit, started carrying sparklers around and selling T-shirts. And my friends are like, Jimmy, what's with your mom? I'm like, she's grieving. So I'll just leave that there. And so, you know, Dan Bongino, who famously said, don't ever stop talking about the Epstein files. He gets in a position of power to do something about it. And now he changes his tune to say, oh, I'm supposed to. I was there to do my job, which is to keep custody of the evidence.

1:48:22No, you weren't there to keep custody of the evidence. You were there to put in custody for the people who were in that evidence, you fucking phony. Anyway, I get upset. You have every reason to. So we're being lied to on a massive scale. The one guy who was credited with stopping the Iran war the first time, they had to get him out of there. And he had realized that he'd woken up and his organization is a Zionist operation as it was from the beginning. and he woke up to that he was living in a Truband show and he ordered, he orders an investigation, a Doge-style investigation into the accounting because there's all, if you look into it, Wolves of Finance is a YouTube channel who's really explored all this about all the shady financial stuff that was happening inside TPUSA.

1:49:08So they all had motive to not only be a part of it, but to cover it up. And so he orders that, he turns down their money. They all lie that he said they're going to kill me. Candace Owens proves that the text messages were there. And by the way, why does the FBI not have control of his phone? Why would they give it to his? None of it makes sense. So this is all a big PSYOP. It's a Zionist organization. He had realized that. He had realized what Zionism was. He realized that Israel was not in our best interest, that they're not our greatest ally. And so they tried everything. And some reports said they were offering a billion dollars to his organization, and he turned it down.

1:49:53And if you can turn that down, there's only one thing left to do, and that's to kill you. And it's sad. And just like Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions. And when you're not allowed to ask, hey, if Candace Owens is crazy and nuts, then let her talk. Give her enough rope to hang herself. Keep it going. Just like Brian Harpo did on that CIA guy's podcast. He gave him enough rope to hang himself, And he hung himself several times on that. What a used car salesman that Brian Harpo was. I spent thousands of dollars on. They didn't have drone coverage. He pretends they didn't have drone coverage.

1:50:25Well, Frank Turek says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event. So they're lying back and forth all over the place. They didn't have security watching the roof. They don't have security watching the roof. Well, the local police were supposed to take care of the house. Get that. OK. So it's a it's a it's a setup. It's a lie. And just like Seth Rich and Charlie said, just like we learned during COVID, keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free. And now they've completely flipped his message. Stop. Just stop. Stop asking questions.

1:50:59That was his whole MO. That was his whole motive. That was the reason for his raison d 'etre was ask questions. And now you're not supposed to. And I tell people, you see these social media influencers out there telling you that Candace is evil or demonic and stop. It happened exactly the way Kash Patel said it did. If anybody's telling you that, they are corrupted on the take and they're your enemy. And do not listen to them because those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information. They're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant. The great Jimmy Dore.

1:51:34Wow, you just wound me up. Okay. I'm going to need to walk around. Thank you. Okay. It's great to see you as always. God bless you. You too.