Parents of Alleged J6 Pipe Bomber Say the Government Is Framing Their Son

28:50No. No. Has the government shown you any connection between your son and what happened that day? No, I haven't seen anything. No. So when they told you your son was the Capitol Hill, the J6 pipe bomber, did part of your brain say, oh, yeah, I remember him ranting in the kitchen or cleaning his firearms at the kitchen table talking about storming the Capitol? No. The only way I, you know, so, I mean, that was five years ago. I put that out of my mind. I didn't follow it. So I don't know. All I saw was the images that the media provided of them storming the Capitol. And that was it for me. I didn't follow it or anything.

29:34So I didn't realize what they were talking about until they showed me a still image. I'm like, oh, I remember seeing that video. When the FBI showed you? other than that. What was in the image? It was just the gray hooded person. The gray hooded person who's security cameras on Capitol Hill picked up planting the bombs in front of the buildings. That's it. And then they showed you these images to tell you that this was your son, Brian. Yes. They asked me, does that look like Brian? Does that look like his sweat hood? I'm like, I got a gray sweat hood. Who doesn't have a gray side? No, I can't say that that's his hood or not.

30:20Like, that's crazy. I can't answer that question. You know, they were just trying to find something to tie him. Did they find any bomb-making materials in your home? I don't know what they found. For me, that day was so...

30:49It just blew me out the water. So whatever they gave me, I immediately gave to the attorney. I really didn't look because I'm like, where is he? My children are worried about me. And then, of course, then the media comes and we just wanted to leave. You know, there's no way around it. A small business needs capital to grow. whether your company is stocking up on inventory or repairing things, hiring more workers, you got to have cash. So where should businesses get that money? Well, you need a trusted partner. Obviously, big banks are not the answer. Getting loans from family can work really well, but could also be very, very complicated.

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32:42None. Can you think of a motive? No. Not at all. Do you think that if your son, since he does live at home and works at the family business and is autistic and gets up at 6 a.m. to walk his dog to 7-Eleven, do you think if he was planning a bombing that you might have noticed? I would think so. Yeah. Like his room was right down the hall from my room. And of course, I'm a nosy mom. And because I know, you know, I like to go in there and mess with Brian because, you know, he doesn't talk a lot. Yes. And I like to just go and mess with him and try to force him to talk. And yeah. And then he'll leave out his room.

33:28So I would leave out his room. But, you know, I know the tactics. So I wait till he comes back and, you know, he's surprised. I'm like, you're still here? Yeah, because I knew you were trying to shut me up. You know, so it's not, you know, it's not like something he can hide. You know, so I don't know where all this is coming from. I really don't. But you don't understand what the government is thinking. So like the Capitol Hill pipe bombs were connected to the January 6th demonstration slash riot, what they call an insurrection. We can just say that because the government has told us that for five years.

34:12So you don't see, honestly, any connection at all between your son and the January 6th protests. No. No. The government must be drawing some connection. and I would like to know and again we probably won't really know until trial when is trial? February 16th 27 my baby would have been arrested in jail for a year a year and two months that's it why, okay so this gets to a question that you can answer since you're literally in the bail bonds business and ironically your son is being held without bond but here's someone who has no criminal record of any kind, no record of misbehavior of any kind, but he's being held without bond when he has a family and a family home and a family business and he can go back and be with people, but he's being held without bond because why?

35:12They said that their only excuse was, and it's really crazy because they agree he's not a risk. he's not a risk a flight risk well he's not a risk to the people he's not a risk of fleeing anywhere and that he's never been arrested but because of the alleged charges that they brought against him he shouldn't be left out released now mind you you know we agreed and my mother-in-law said, well, he can come to my house since they failed because they claim that, you know, things were done in my house. Well, he can come stay in my house. I live in a gated community. We can do ankle monitor. We can do house arrest if you want.

36:06You can come by and visit whenever you choose. He can do weekly check-ins. Nothing. Only because of the charges that they allege. How long have you been in the bail bonds business? 31 years. So again, I can't overstate how much perspective you have on this. How weird is this? Let me say this. If this was a case in another state, any other case even similar to this, but in another state, another area, he would have been out of jail by now. He'd have been fighting this from home.

36:49I don't know if it had anything to do with his race. I don't know. I don't want to put that out there because just very recently, right after, actually right after his case, a county over, Loudoun County in Virginia, similar situation happened with some white kids. and they're home. Similar situation. You know, I don't know why here. I don't. Well, if you think about it big picture,

37:35they didn't make any arrests in this case or any progress in this case that we know of for five years until the media outlet produced a story, which I am not endorsing because I don't have the information to endorse it. but in which they named a suspect on the basis of a gate analysis program they ran against the CCTV footage. And on the basis of that, they named a woman called Shani Kirkov, I think her name is, who was a former Capitol Hill police officer who now is in a security detail at the Central Intelligence Agency, amazingly. And they claimed that she failed a polygraph test when asked if she was the pipe bomber.

38:11And we should mention that Shawnee Kirkhoff has denied being the bomber or having any involvement in the case. And, you know, it was almost immediately after that that your son was arrested. After five years of no progress on the case. It's like two weeks later. Is that true? Two weeks later? Five to seven. I think it was told on October 16th. It was about five weeks later. And November 8th. About a month later. Yeah. So I have so many questions about this. The most obvious question is how did someone who's publicly named falsely or not? Okay. I don't know. But publicly named as the pipe bomber.

38:53How does that person retain a security clearance and then wind up with increased authority and a security detail at CIA headquarters at Langley? Like what in the world are we watching here? Right. Does that I mean, you guys are makes no sense. Spends your lives adjacent to law enforcement. Does that make sense? Makes no sense. I've seen people lose a security clearance over DUI or DWI. Exactly. So, you know, I don't understand that one myself, you know. But the arrest of your son, who has no publicly described connection whatsoever to J6, gets arrested immediately after this person, this other person, is named in the media.

39:32Yeah. So this is why I wanted to talk to you because it does seem like you're looking at a kind of made-for-TV movie type conspiracy. What's the other explanation for this? That's the only place I thought stuff like this happened. That's what I thought. That's the only place. I cannot, I mean, I truly cannot, I've never thought that anything like this happens here. That the federal government would knowingly put an innocent man in jail and then hold him there without bond when they know he didn't do it? Yes. We have not spoken to our son directly since, for me, the night of December 3rd. I mean, we talk over the phone.

40:19but what but how much of a conversation can you have right over a jail phone you know what i mean uh he he does give us video visits here and there what can you say over a jail video visit especially with someone who's not as you said much of a talker anyway total isolation yes yeah um what's interesting to me is that there is a blanket pardon in place issued by the president and it's in place for everyone associated with the January 6th events. Everyone who was indicted January 6th and convicted in some cases, they're all pardoned and the sentence is commuted. So your son is now in jail on January 6th related charges, I think.

41:08Yes. Why doesn't that apply to him? I can't, we can't answer that. That's something that the lawyers need to. come back and answer? I can't answer that. I have no idea. I don't know the answer either, but it's very strange. The other thing that is strange to me is that I think, tell me if I'm wrong, but that your son is charged with a weapons of mass destruction charge. I know, right? Crazy. Yes. But it has been publicly confirmed that the bombs were inert. Yes. They weren't actually bombs. They couldn't explode. That's my understanding. That's my understanding. So how could you be charged with weapons of mass destruction offense for assuming he had anything to do with this, but let's say he did, they literally weren't weapons of mass destruction.

41:54Right. That's another question that you would have to ask our legal, his legal team. Because I can't answer that. We can't answer that. These are things that we just can't answer because we don't know. How can they? It don't make sense. How can you charge them with that? Well, by their own description, it doesn't make sense. They're the ones who told us the bombs weren't real. Exactly. And I went and looked at the image of what they said. And I'm like, they got to be joking. Why? Why did you think that? Those images, what was those things going to do? Have you seen video footage of the bomb? No, they have still pictures online.

42:44Of the actual device. Yeah. Right. Of the device. I think it was the device they said under a bush. Yes. Or by a bush. So they have images of those online. And so, you know, again, I don't know anything of this. So I'm just floored. I don't understand where they come with that. Home ownership has always been at the center of the American dream. It is an actual asset, a place people work their entire lives to build, a place of stability and security and real value. Right now, though, too many homeowners are stuck swiping credit cards to cover groceries. There's basically a survival tax of 20 % interest or more.

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45:24Because there is video out there of the person in the gray hoodie. Online. Yes. I think most parents know what their children move like. This is not scientific, but it's real. And any parent can tell you if you see there's a crowd of people, you can tell which one's your kid just by the way he moves. Does that look like your son? Not at all. Not at all. At all. In the time since his arrest in December, has anyone in your family or his friends come to you and said, actually, you didn't know Brian had a secret life you didn't know about? No. No. No. No. Has anyone in the federal government indicated to you, and you don't need to use names, that this case is fake, that this is a miscarriage of justice, a travesty?

46:20I have, I've kind of separated myself and let his legal team handle everything. So I don't, we don't, I don't talk to anybody. I don't, you know, I refer everybody over to our legal team. But I'm going to say no, no one has ever approached or asked. You just have to wonder about the FBI agents or federal marshals, whoever they were, the people pointing rifles at you and handcuffing you and handcuffing your grandson. Like, do they think that they're actually fighting for justice here? Do they really think that your son was the J6 pipe bomber? Who knows? I have no idea, but I tell you this, and this is something that was raised in court.

47:09For him to be such a dangerous person, and I say this all the time, when they so-called, I guess, raided the house, why did they leave his firearm there? If he was such a dangerous person, why did they leave his firearm sitting there? Yeah, they left it on his nice day. If you were thinking he was just dangerous, just, you know, whatever kind of person they trying to allege that he is, why not why not take that do that make sense well because they know he's not a dangerous person yeah and then again you know if he's this dangerous person why follow him all this time why when you come to my house you don't evacuate at least my cul-de-sac if all of what you're saying is in my house I'm upset because if that was truly the case It's why you guys let us live in a house that you feel is unsafe like that.

48:18That someone is dangerous like that. Yeah. And that is filled with bombing equipment and high explosives. I don't know. We don't know anything about that. You know, that's like crazy. I just, my biggest thing is, why did they wait so long if they knew? Right. If they supposedly knew what was going on and knew he was this person, one, why leave a dangerous weapon sitting in there? why not once again like she said evac why not have evacuated the neighbors and evacuated the the cul-de-sac well here's again what we know what we know is that a former capitol hill police officer who was employed at capitol police on january 6th wound up working at cia headquarters in langley and that person was named publicly in a media report as the capitol hill pipe bomber and almost immediately after that person was named, they arrested your son.

49:10Yes. And again, to be clear, Shawnee Kirkhoff denies being the J-6 bomber or having any involvement in the case. What were they doing for five years? Have they told you when they figured out that your son was the pipe bomber? No, not at all. How long do you think they were surveilling him? They've had pictures of him at the office. Yeah, the office. They've had pictures of him at the office. I mean, I've seen a picture of him at the office. Your family office. Yes. I've seen a picture of him walking in one of the stores because we had a clogged drain. So I knew that that was the most recent picture because I sent him to the store.

49:52Well, you sent him to the hardware store to get somebody to fix the drain. Yeah. But that was about it. And how long before his arrest was that? I would say maybe two weeks or so. Yeah. So they had been following him. But as far as you know, their surveillance of your son began after Shawnee Kirchhoff was named. Yes. The CIA person. Yes, from my understanding, yes. Okay, so again, I'm not alleging this. I'm just noting that it looks like they didn't really focus on your son until media reports named a CIA employee. Yes. As the pipe bomber. And then, you know, not to be cynical, but it looks like they're like, holy smokes, we've got to find someone to blame for this pipe bomb.

50:36Yes. Because the person who's been publicly named still has a security clearance and reportedly is on the director of central intelligence's personal security detail. And I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I don't know that. You know, can't verify that, but. That's what it appears to be. Yes, that's what it appears. So. it doesn't look good at all. So who do you appeal to? Like other than your attorneys? Like, are there any political figures who've called you and said, what is this? None. None. Not to be mean, but like what about the civil rights establishment? Like where are they? Like where's Sharpton?

51:19I have no idea. I am being mean. Okay, I'll stop. But has anyone defended you? I guess that's all I'm saying. Or defended your son, your family? No. No. Only, you know, Steve Baker, you know, our attorneys, of course, you know, our family, you know. But as far as, you know, everyone as a whole, you know, I'm reading and I'm seeing people say things, but no. You live in Virginia. There's a governor. There are two senators or a whole bunch of congressmen. Yes. No calls from any of them. None. None. I can't imagine what this is costing. You both just sighed. Yeah, I mean, you know, not only financially, but, you know, this is heavy.

52:15This is weighing on our whole family, our extended family, because we all protect Brian. You can ask anyone who has come in contact with Brian, family, friends, neighbors, you know, just in passing that know they most definitely have the wrong guy, you know, and because he is autistic and we know, you know, how he is. we're suffering because he's suffering and he's trying to protect us by saying he's okay. You know? You're making me emotional. Sorry. It's mentally draining, physically draining. It's hard. It's hard. Not only the financial side of it, but the, you know, Worrying about him every day, worrying about him every night.

53:17And he does a good job. He does. He do give us a call every day. He does. He calls us every night, every single one of us. Because that's his pattern. Yes. Twice a day. We hear from him twice a day, every single one of us. And I mean, he's okay. And like I said, I give credit where credit is due.

53:48And if I ask Brian, is everything okay? Are you okay? He's going to give me an honest answer. And he's okay. He's in a really good place, safe place. And they're taking good care of him. And I got to say that because I don't want anyone to think he's being mistreated or anything like that. No, I don't think he's being mistreated. They at least did that correctly. But he's in jail. Yeah, he's in jail. He's in jail. So you've been in this business for 31 years. Have you ever met anyone who enjoyed jail? No one enjoys jail. No one enjoys jail. But I do know that things could have been a lot worse.

54:27You know what I'm saying? And I don't want to downplay and say that he's being treated this way. They doing this, I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say, Brian is okay. He's okay. He's not being mistreated. Well, you have a very forgiving and optimistic perspective. But I think for most people, the idea of having your son snatched off the street and his mother, and her grandson handcuffed and then locked away for a year on ridiculous untrue charges and slandered in public on the basis of no evidence at all. The whole thing just sounds like out of a movie or something that could never happen in this country.

55:15Like a Netflix series. Like a Netflix series. Well, I hope this helps. And I think anyone watching this, I don't think I'm easily fooled. Maybe I am. I don't think so. And I've certainly talked to a lot of people in a similar position, and I believe your story completely. And I hope that this gets wide attention, and I hope massive pressure is applied to the authorities to stop this immediately. We want to say this as a family. We want to thank you, and thank you for allowing us to come on your platform and talk about this. And, you know, just want to say thank you. Well, thank you. it's actually not me.

55:57It was, I, you know, I'm paying half attention like the rest of us to most of the news, just like you were when you're watching television. Oh, they got the bomber or whatever. You know, it's like, I wasn't paying attention. I got a call from, as I said at the outset, someone I know in the federal government who's highly informed and very experienced and skeptical of everything. It was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. They grabbed this random autistic guy and put him in jail. Like right after Steve Baker named this federal employee as the pipe bomber. This is shocking that this could happen.

56:27And this is a federal employee who told me this in a relevant agency. So I was highly motivated to meet you after that. I'm grateful for him. So are we. Because this is horrible. This is a travesty. You know, and I'm so angry. I am angry. I am disappointed.

56:56But I have to keep focus on my son.

57:04For me, as his mom, and for his dad, it's too different. As he just said, he will open up to his dad, but he won't open up to me that sense because he know how I feel. He know I'm going to worry. You know, and to know that he's been snatched away from me the way that he has. And I can't talk to him openly and hug him, even though he doesn't like hugs, but he know I'm going to do it. You know, and just being autistic when you're in an environment where it's so much stuff around, you know, it's chaotic inside. It's overload. Right. And so to be put in a place that's chaotic. So you're dealing with chaos inside and outside.

58:06and it's out of your control, you know, and I can only emphasize what he's going through and there's nothing we can do to help. Nothing. Nothing. And that's the downside. And we know that he doesn't belong there. And they know that he doesn't belong there. And they're prolonging this and it shouldn't be. And I feel helpless at the moment. And that's why I appreciate our attorneys. I appreciate Steve Baker. I appreciate those that are out there speaking out and trying to share the story because I truly think that somewhere, somehow, someone is trying to suppress this. And we appreciate you too for allowing us to come.

58:51Well, I think someone is trying to suppress this. I really do. Destroying a young man to do it is unforgivable. And especially someone like Brian, this can happen to anybody, not let alone a person with autism, anyone. Anyone, you know, I just, I am, I am grateful to God that we have the ability to fight for our son. That's exactly right. Because just imagine if we didn't. I was thinking that this morning. Only off a word of what the, what the government has said, everyone has believed. Nobody's looking into nothing. Nobody is saying anything. And that's, that's one of the things, you know, coming on your platform.

59:32we just want people to go and just do their own research let them go read just it's all there look at look at what the government is presented it it's all right there you're going to see the let them make their opinion on the case that's all i'm asking i have looked at it it's a joke and they're liars. And to do this to an innocent man is totally unforgivable and should not be allowed in a civilized and free country, period. Yes. So God bless you both. Thank you. Same to you. Thank you. Thank you.