Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters on 9/11, JFK, Gaza, and Why the Israel Lobby Is Trying to Destroy Him

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33:27Not everyone is. No, I do understand that, but that's what we're doing. That's why I'm here, and that's why I'm so grateful for you to be having this conversation with me about this, because you have a huge audience, and when your audience hear this, maybe they'll go, you know what, why don't we have an investor? Well, we made a whole documentary on the subject, multi-part, and I didn't know until right now that there had never been an inquiry, an independent inquiry by court into 9-11. I'm a little bit shocked to hear that. Isn't that bizarre? So thank you, Matt. And God bless you, Jeff, and all the other families and all the families of all the firefighters who lost their lives.

34:16who are. They're the eyewitness and the earwitness reporter. They all hear it. They all know it. Everybody knows it. And you open your eyes and the story of the BBC and Building 7. They tell you that it's fallen down half an hour before they demolish it. It's bizarre. So yeah. So this is this could be this conversation between you and me could be a turning point for the whole human race. I often say this in other contexts, but we're right in it now. You and I are right in the middle of a battle, an existential battle for the soul of the human race. Can we empathize with one another or not? Or will we allow the oligarchs and sometimes people in our governments to keep us at each other's throats over dimes and groats when we should be giving one another a helping hand and communicating and cooperating across national boundaries, particularly with the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians, let us not forget.

35:37I've got another piece here, which I won't read you, but on the same day I wrote another note where I said, how bizarre is it that they're suggesting that we should invade Iran? This was eight and a half years ago that I was responding to that. And then Russia. Are you insane? Do you know who the Russian people are? And you do know, do you not, that they won the Second World War before you lot got involved in it? 20 million Russians died saving this planet from the Nazis. 20 million. and we want to have a fight with them. It's just, I've been there. They're lovely people. I agree. You've been there.

36:24I saw your thing about the underground station. Yes. Yeah, it was very moving. I found that moving because, and it's such a surprise. Oh, really? No, Russians are monsters. They're communist monsters. They would destroy us all. That's a civilized country. Yeah. If there's a definition of civilized, it's that. And it's many, many different groups, ethnic groups from all, everything from the Chinese borders to the Ukraine. So it's all very, very difficult. Are you worried that the West is moving toward an actual war with Russia, not just Ukraine against Russia, but Western Europe, US against Russia?

37:08I'm worried that some of the people in the governments of the United States of America and the UK and the European Union are making blood-curdlingly, bloodthirsty noises about the possibility of fighting the... Particularly in Germany, by the way, they're trying now to get 5 % of the GNP of all the European countries to be put into a big piggy bank in order to fight the Russians. The Russians don't want to invade Europe. What are they talking about? But they're saying that, and they're saying it publicly. And they do it. Who knows why they do it? They do it because maybe they're asked to say those things by whoever it is is paying them.

37:56It's still a bit of a business, politics in Europe, and definitely in the United States of America. There's a ruling elite with a lot of money, And so they pay politicians to do their bidding on what they want because it suits them. Because they make money, basically. It's greed. They're greedy, in my view. That's my view. I don't think there's any question you're right. I mean, it's obviously true. It's obviously true. It's just that when you push an entire continent into a war that it cannot win, by definition, you risk the lives of millions of people. I mean, that's a big step to do something like that.

38:37It sure is. Yeah. And it's crazy. Now, we have to be cooperating with the Russians. Of course. Particularly. Yes. And they could be, you've been there. You've met them. A couple of times. You've been there. Me too. I've worked there a lot in my life. I'm doing, you know, I do interviews with them whenever I can. It sort of half breaks my heart that I can't watch RT anymore because it's banned. You can't watch Russia today. We used to be able to in America up until the start, up until 22, up until February, whenever it was. Yes. 2022, when the special military operation, as the Russians call it, started because the Minsk Accords were not adhered to.

39:24But that's another conversation. But may I ask, so you grew up in England. Your father was killed fighting the Nazis in the Second World War. You grew up in a victor country that congratulated itself on its freedoms. If we hadn't sacrificed, we'd all be speaking German and marching in rows. They always said that. Is it strange to live in a world where you're not allowed to watch a certain TV channel? Yeah, of course it is. And I did grow up in post-war England, and suddenly we had a National Health Service because we had a Labour government after the Second World War. And then, weirdly enough, it all turned to rat shit with Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher and all that right-wing stuff coming back in again, which it did.

40:11And interestingly enough, I wrote The Wall in 1979. I wrote a song in there called Goodbye Blue Sky. and it's a beautiful song but it goes did you hear the frightened ones did you see the falling bombs did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky that is a lament for the fact that the second world war was not the war to end all wars like the First World War was meant to be, that we suddenly realized that this idea that we had, that we could live in a socialist future where we looked after one another and also a future where we didn't have wars, nation against nation, was a pipe dream because it didn't suit the oligarchs who, whenever it was in 1948 for the Declaration of Human Rights had their fingers crossed behind their backs because they never believed in human rights at all.

41:20They believe in profit, and that's all there is to it. So we live in a very difficult time where it may be, unless you, with your audience, or me, with my tiny voice, can join with our brothers and sisters and pull together the ordinary working people all over the globe and we can make the voice of the choir so loud that we can drown out the propaganda of the ruling class, particularly in the United States, because ordinary people have been so hoodwinked by them and they believe, oh, we're the greatest country in the world. No, you're not. And anyway, even if there was a great country and are not great, it's not important.

42:13What's important is, are you kind? Can you be kind to people? That's what's important, because that's what brings joy to your life, you know, and we all know it. Charlie McKesey, who's an artist I know in England, he wrote a great book. It's a sort of cartoon, but it's a book, and it's called The Boy, The Mole, The Fox, and The Horse, is the name of this book. Check it out because on page three, and I know this because I knew him and he gave me a copy and he said his name or whatever, the mole and the boy who've made friends are sitting on a branch of a tree and the mole says to the boy, what do you want to be when you grow up?

42:59And the boy says, kind.

43:05I'm sorry to be sort of sentimental, but I get like, oh my goodness yeah that's what I want to be too and that's what I want all my brothers and sisters kind be kind to one another then you can't have a war war is a really really bad idea Donald it's a terrible idea yeah for everyone for everyone yeah you um have been vocal in your criticism of the killing in gaza yep and of the treatment of the of the palestinians over a number of years probably last 20 years and um it's exactly 20 exactly 20 yeah why did you decide i mean you must have known that saying something about that you were going to forfeit some of your hard-earned rock star privileges.

44:04Yeah. I mean, right? Yeah. Yeah. I went there. Oh. I did a gig in a place called Nevis Shalom, Wahat Asalam in Arabic, which was a peace village halfway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem where they grew chickpeas. And I did a gig in the open air. And I did it after I'd cancelled a gig in Tel Aviv in a football stadium called, I can't remember what it's called, Hayakon. It's called Hayakon Park. And it's built on the ruins of a destroyed Palestinian village. And I'd never been anywhere near Israel. and I'd believed all the propaganda of, you know, the socialist Israelis with their democratic ways, rolling their sleeves up and creating all this, you know, a wonderful country.

44:56And then I went there and I saw the apartheid. I saw what was happening. And I went back two years later and I drove all over the West Bank with Unruh and with a woman from Unruh. called Allegra Paceo. And I'll never forget, we were driving north towards Janine one day, and I went, well, at least they have nice roads, because it was a nice two-lane blacktop, dolmack road. And Allegra looked at me like I was daft or something, and she said, yeah, if you're Jewish. I went, what are you talking about? She said, you're not allowed to drive on this road unless you're Jewish. I just said, don't be silly.

45:42Can you imagine going, you want to drive to Pennsylvania or somewhere, you know, Philadelphia, and you go to get on the I-95, and they go, you're a Christian, aren't you? Because if you're not, you can't go on the road. And you go, what? Don't be daft. Well, that's it. It's a completely apartheid society. If you're an Arab, you're not allowed on the road. I didn't believe it, but I did after a bit, and I saw, and it was just hell on earth. They've created hell on earth. And in that visit and those visits that I made, I decided that I would be vocal and do anything that I could to help my Palestinian brothers and sisters to achieve equal human rights with their Jewish brothers and sisters between the Jordan River and the sea.

46:36I'm not asking anyone to kill anyone. But you have to be equal. You cannot allow apartheid societies to spring up in the world. That is not a way to encourage one another to be kind, in my view. So you see this, you're stunned by it, moved by it, outraged by it. When do you decide to talk about it? Did you think about it? Immediately. Immediately. Immediately. Yeah. And what was the response you got? Well, the Israeli lobby in America particularly were not best pleased. And they have ever since then done everything that they can to destroy my career. They have failed. I fight back, you know. What have they done?

47:41well one thing that they one thing they did and it's almost the most criminal thing in my view that they did was I used to work for an organization called Stand Up for Heroes and it's helping wounded American servicemen limbs missing you know whatever and somebody asked me, Bob and Lee Woodruff is the name of the people who run a foundation called the Woodruff Foundation. I know them, yes. Okay. Well, and Bob called me up one day and thought, who's this Bob Woodruff? Never heard of you, you know. And he said, there's this thing and we do a thing called Stand Up for Heroes where comics do and somebody plays and Springsteen comes and he sings a song and auctions a guitar.

48:32we raised money for these wounded men. Would you come and sing a song? And I thought it through and I thought, well, let me think about it. And he said, well, we're doing a thing at the National History Museum in a week's time. Would you come? It's just, you know, a glass of champagne and meet some of the men and see what you think. And so I did. I went to this thing and I was wandering around with my glass of champagne. And there were a number of men in uniform around. One of them was in a wheelchair. He's got no legs and only one arm, and he's in his dress blue, so he's got all the kit on, and he was sitting on his own.

49:08So I thought, well, in for a penny. And I went over and started talking to him, and I'm smiling now because he's a friend of mine now. This was in 2013, so that's 13 years ago now. And he looked up at me like that, sort of to be polite, and then his eyes opened wide, and I realized that he recognized me.

49:36And so he went, and so it went like that bit, and then he said, I play the guitar too. He was a Latino guy. And then I looked at him, he's got no legs and only one arm, and I'm thinking that's a bit of a stretch, playing the guitar. and he could see the look in my eye and bless him, his name's Dom so he looked at me and he went oh yeah, well I don't play the guitar anymore and he went, now I play the drums and he does and he's a bloody good drummer as well so that was the start so I went back to Bob and Lee Woodruff and said I'd feel a bit funny getting up there with all my arms and legs singing a song however worthy it is What if I go down to Walter Reed, because that's where a lot of these guys were.

50:34Bethesda it was called then, I think. The Naval Hospital. What if I find, there's a bloke down there called Arthur Bloom, who's running a therapeutic rehabilitation music program. What if I went down there and started a band? And we played. And they went, don't be daft. and I went, I'm not being daft, I'm being serious. Anyway, they said yes, and we did it, and we did it. 2013 in the Beacon Theatre, and 2014 at Madison Square Garden, and blah, blah, blah. But then, and this is to answer your question, 2015 was coming up. No, yeah, 2015. And I was in the Hamptons in the summer, and I suddenly thought, hang on a minute, it's August, I haven't had the phone call, because the show would be in November.

51:26so I called the producer he's a lovely guy called Andrew Fox and I went Andrew I haven't had the phone call silence I went uh-uh get over here and he did and we sat outside with a glass of wine I said come on cough what's going on and he told me it was the Israeli lobby who've decided that you can't do it anymore what? what about the men? no the men can't either because if the men do it and you're not there, people will ask questions. So you're not allowed to help veterans if you criticize Israel? Israel, that's correct, yeah. Yeah, you're not allowed to help veterans. Or I was involved in other charities which were distributing food from restaurants, posh restaurants in New York.

52:16It's called City Harvest. Yes. They told City Harvest the same thing. not a single cent from any of us if you go on dealing with Roger Waters. In other words, accepting help from you. Yeah. You were just a volunteer, just giving. Well, I was a friend of the people running it as well. But no, you can't, you can't. So all I'm saying is it's disgusting beyond any imagination. And for what? For being critical of an apartheid state, which is what it was. I am very critical of the state of Israel. I've got nothing against Jewish people, nothing. I couldn't care less what religion anybody is, as anybody who knows me will tell you.

53:04So, yeah. So it is what it is. It got so intense at one point I was reading that you were banned from certain hotels because the hotel... Yeah. Is that true? Yes. Yeah, that didn't start happening until 2023, which was the last big tour I did. And both in Europe and in South America particularly, I couldn't find a hotel to stay anywhere in Buenos Aires. Or in Colombia. Or in Ecuador. In Ecuador? Yeah, well, it had just been taken over by Naboa, who, as we know, is a gangster from Miami. so he's who knows what his issues are you couldn't stay in a hotel in Ecuador, Colombia or Argentina because you criticized Israel yes oh Uruguay, Montefiore I couldn't stay in Montefiore we did actually stay in a hotel in Quito in Ecuador for one night but they had to pretend I wasn't there you couldn't make it up Good to you.

54:14That's a long way from Israel. What does Quito, Ecuador, or Bonavideo, Uruguay, or BA have to do with Israel? There's an Israeli lobby that is very organized in all of those places, and there may well be in other cities in the world as well. Certainly, yeah, certainly in many other cities. Frankfurt, they tried to cancel my gig in Frankfurt. They did cancel my gig in Krakow in Poland in 2023. On what grounds? On the grounds that they wanted to cancel me. Because I was critical of the genocide. Because I'm against genocide and they're not. They're in favor of it. That's why they're all quiet. They're silent.

55:04They all keep silent. They close their mouths. They won't speak because they know that they'll get the treatment that I get if they open their mouths. There is a very powerful lobby. And it wants Israel to go on being a genocidal apartheid state and to expand and to take over Lebanon and Syria and Jordan and greater Israel. It's the plan. they're not they don't make it's not a secret Netanyahu and Ben Gavir and who's who's the ambassador there the US ambassador is called Mike Huckabee Mike Huckabee excuse me for laughing but yeah crazy Christian Zionist and you know what and maybe at the bottom of it all they're all waiting for the coming of the Messiah they don't care well Mike Huckabee obviously hopes it'll be Jesus because then he can go to heaven with Mike Pence and the other Christian scientists.

56:10I'm sorry to make fun of that. I couldn't agree more. That's not Christianity, just for the record. It's not even a close facsimile of Christianity. As I recall, you're a Christian, right? Yes, I am. As I recall, Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple. Yes. Or tried to. Yeah. That's probably why they crucified him, braided a whip. There you go. and I'm not making a joke about that that bit of history really impresses me because usury is one of the things that the US government and other governments particularly the Israeli government have got against Iran is that lending money for profit is illegal in Iran Really?

56:57I didn't know that It's against the law usury is against the law in the Islamic Republic of Iran, in Persia. It's illegal. Why would that offend other governments? Yeah, it's the basis of the way everything works, is that you get control over a government by lending them money. And once you've lent them the money or given them the money, I mean, don't look at me with your brow furrowed like that. You've seen the Congress of the United States and the cash that they've got. I'll admit, of course I know what you're saying. Again, I agree with you completely. I didn't know that usury was banned in Iran, though.

57:42Yeah. Or I'd forgotten. What is, when you saw the United States go to war with Iran, what did you think? United States and Israel. Well, it's despicable. obviously, to attack Iran. Why? They've done nothing. What have they done? Nothing. Certainly posing no threat to anyone in the United States of America or Israel, as far as we can tell. None. They're just in the way because they have a different view. For instance, usury is illegal under their system. Whether it's anything to do with Islam or whether it's just to do with their form of socialism, I've no idea. but it goes against the grain in a big way.

58:32But why have another war? You know, because it's part of Wesley Clark's prediction as well. You go, oh my goodness, it's only Iran and Lebanon are the only two countries on the list that have not been totally destroyed, including Syria and Lebanon and Somalia and Sudan and blah and blah and blah.

59:00You know, this was the plan of the neocons all along. The new American century. I'm sorry to sound as if I'm banging on about because, you know, my mum came over here before the war as well and she did say, she said to me, she used to say to me because she was very left-wing, her politics, She said, the people I met in America, darling, were very nice people, many, many of them, very kind and very hospitable, you know, and blah, blah, blah. But, and she would lower her voice a bit, they're very, very naive. And I know we can laugh, but it's like to be suckered into the state you're in now, as you are the absolute devil as far as the rest of the world, obviously, because you wage war ferociously in order to line your own pockets and in ways that the rest of the world finds despicable.

1:00:04Look at what's happening in Venezuela now. And there's no pretense made about it. Oh, we're going to go in and just steal all the oil and anything of any value under there. And that's now the model. So that might be the reason to have a war with Russia. Then we could steal whatever's under the ground because we haven't got it. Or the Chinese, even worse, they've got even more rare minerals. If you want to make, I don't know, little computers and things. We're getting away from Matt Campbell and his brother Jeff, but I don't mind. No, I'm just... This is an interesting conversation. It is interesting and it's...

1:00:43you probably don't read a lot of what's written about you, but you are described as a hater and a dangerous man. And I have listened for the last hour as you've invade against war in favor of kindness. Yeah. Said, I don't recognize ethnic or religious distinctions. I just love people. These are not words of hate. These are the opposite. Correct. How exactly, I mean, I'm just taking you by your own words. Thank you. how is it that you have been slandered by the media as the opposite of what you say you are? Well, it's like, how is it that in England over the last year they've been describing pro-Palestinian marches that are anti-genocide as hate marches?

1:01:30Not that my friends who are out in the streets protesting against the actual genocide that's going on now of the Palestinian people. And yet, the British media call those hate marches. It's bizarre. There's no hatred involved in those marches. It's pure love. It's exactly what I'm proposing. It's exactly what I support with all my heart and have done all my life. It's like the little thing I gave you, Every word I've ever written in all my rock and roll writing is about that, is about encouraging empathy for others in myself and in others. That's all I write about because it's what I care about.

1:02:25It's what my mum and dad instilled in me. My father, who was killed by the Nazis, and my mother who with every bone in her body believed in the inherent goodness of the human race and believed in the possibility of, what was it, why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky. Okay. My mum believed in the brave new world unfurling. And we're not talking Aldous Huxley now. No, right. Not that brave new world, but an actual real world where people love one another and help one another and get back what it is. It's like, there's a poem I wrote years ago, there's something, the doctor's note from ages gone or something, good friends to help rebuild the barn.

1:03:25I was thinking of it as I drove through the countryside, coming up here through Maine, and seeing all these houses dotted. They're all the same. They're all exact, they're all cardboard, you know, copies of one another. They're all clapboard. They're all white or brown or whatever. but you can imagine people living in them, human beings, and you can imagine people, look, his barn's fallen down, let's go and help him rebuild it. Good neighbors to help rebuild the barn, that's what we need, not war. War is the absolute worst possible thing and yet they're the biggest industries in the developed Western countries.

1:04:08And the most zealously defended, I will say that. You've been doing media interviews for 50 years more. How would you describe the media's role in war?

1:04:21Well, sadly, holding it up, more war is basically what the Western media now is more or less saying more war. They're certainly not going, I think we should go and stand outside Raytheon and stop it. you know or let's all go to Washington DC and say if you drop another bomb on Iran you won't be anywhere to do with any government that represents me because it's the worst possible thing that you could be doing or going and kidnapping Nicolas Maduro and Celia Flores from Caracas where they live where he's the president of the country and the head of state. Just because you've got helicopters and morons with guns will do anything they're bloody well told.

1:05:15You know, it's awful, obviously. This is even worse than the Biden administration or Bush before that. You've gone downhill in a big way, haven't you? I mean, it feels like it to me. I mean, I think it's going to be hard to emerge from this Iran thing intact. I mean, I think it's very destructive. Well, it's so self-destructive as well. Entirely. Entirely. Anyway. Yeah, it's, yeah. I'm still trying to figure out why we did it, exactly the mechanics of it. But yeah, no, it's worse even than I worried it would be for us and for the world. So I completely agree. So when you go do interviews, how do people respond to you?

1:05:59How does the media respond to you? Well, the media doesn't speak to me. What do you mean? Well, they don't. I don't do any mainstream media. The closest I come to mainstream media is Piers Morgan, who shouts at me for half an hour. And you, who I have to say a very nice host, gave me a sandwich, for God's sake. Which was very nice. But you don't do morning shows on network television? No one asks you to come and talk? No. No, I'm persona non grata out there in media land. You think the New York Times would print an article if I wrote it? I've sent umpteen articles to big newspapers all over. I don't anymore because I know that nothing will ever get printed, not a single word.

1:06:53I'm verboten. And I'm proud of it. I sort of am proud of it because I'm preaching kindness. Yes. Thank you, Charlie McKenzie, by the way. I hope you see this and you get your name thing because it's such a beautiful little book. The boy, the mole, the fox, and the horse. What do you want to be when you grow up? Kind.

1:07:21last last question thank you go on then um where does this go do you think so we're on the precipice of a deepening iran war a total explosion in russia are you do you have any hope at all that this can be resolved peacefully these two conflicts samud is an arabic word that It means perseverance, steadfast perseverance in resistance, particularly to the occupation of your homeland. So it's a very well-used and well-worn Arabic word, and it moved me when I first heard it, what it is. And I've written a song called Samud, and I won't try and remember all the lyrics because I can't, but I know how it finishes up.

1:08:11It finishes up with me talking about all the ordinary people all over the world, standing shoulder to shoulder, from the river to the sea, from every river to every sea, all over everywhere, okay? And raising their voices together as one, ordinary people, okay? And I'm not going to try and remember the exact form of the words, but it ends up with this idea, when they do that with Sumud, with steadfast perseverance, all together, they can turn this ship around. But it will take them to do it. They will have to do it. The people standing shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm. It will take that kind of force to turn this ship around from its path to the ultimate destruction of the human race, imminent destruction of the human race.

1:09:18This could end in a nuclear conflagration at any minute with the wave. Very easily. Very easily. And people who do speak to me, right, like USB speak to me. Who's USB? USB is the dock workers' union in Italy. They revere me. I'm a hero. So at least you got the dock workers' union in Italy. And that makes me so happy. The thought that ordinary people may hear my voice and may go, you know what, he makes a lot of sense. That's how I feel too. Oh, do we really all have? Yes, you do. You all got to come together and raise your voice. Whenever you get the chance to do it, because we are many and they are few, the enemy is a very few, very, very rich oligarchs.

1:10:21Probably a thousand or two thousand of them in the whole world. And they run the whole thing. They keep the wars going and they do it because they're greedy. They are Naboah in Ecuador. or this new woman who's just been, who's just stolen the erection in Peru, Fujurami or whatever her bloody name is, and there's somebody else just come in and cast in Chile. Unfortunately, there's a big move to the right politically in South America, which I follow quite a lot. So you have to stand out, people, and you have to organize, you know. So it's back to listening to what our friend Malcolm X had to say back in the 60s.

1:11:06We have to organize. We've been out-organized. We're not outnumbered or out-thought or out-felt, but we have been out-organized. And so is there any hope? Yeah, there is. You know, I wrote an opera about the French Revolution called Sarerat, which is the future tense of savoir. Savard means that's it. S 'ai-gai means that will be. So it's a sort of full... I'm sorry, you wrote an opera about the French Revolution? Yes, I did. Something I've never done. No, okay. But hang on. So I just want to say this. The guy who wrote the libretto, mainly, who was a Frenchman, called Étienne Roderjil, he said something to me one day.

1:11:56we were walking down 54th Street. It was early in the morning. He's an alcoholic. So he had to stop for a couple of large scotches, and I had a cup of espresso. Anyway, and he was doing that French thing that they do with his jeton. Yeah. You know, and looking. He loved to smoke. And I asked him, I said something to him. I said, what gives you hope, Etienne? You know, and he went. and he thought about it and then he let another Benson Hedges and had another whisk and then he went and he started to speak and he wrote I was here I beg your pardon I was here ah oui I felt something yeah

1:12:52and Perhaps I was not alone

1:12:59I wrote it on a piece of paper and it's been in my back pocket ever since and you may have to think about it for a bit I was here, I felt something and perhaps I was not alone It gives me hope too You could use it to describe our conversation I was here, I felt something, and perhaps I was not alone. I don't think we're alone. Good. Roger Waters, thank you for that. Not at all. Thank you.