Russell Brand: The People Trying to Imprison Him, Trump’s Fall, Speaking to God, and His Mayoral Run

27:36I know you can double the speed of a YouTube video. I don't know if you can cut it in half because I want everyone to hear every word that you just said because I think they're inspired words and I think that they're all true. And I won't summarize, but I just ask people to rewatch what you just said in case they missed all of it the first time. I'm good at listening to fast talking. So I caught every word. I think you're absolutely right. And so let me just rephrase what I think you said. we spent all this time trying to construct a defense against what was clearly happening to us in the West, maybe the world, which was this globalist totalitarian nightmare only to awake to realize actually we may have been participating unknowingly in the creation of it just from the other side.

28:25Where does that leave us? What's our duty now? If we had any faith in any personality or person other than Christ. It's only in him. What I was kept thinking about today is, let people, like that verse, that's like, by the way we love one another, let them know that we're Christian. So my job while I'm here, I know you're in Christ, and my job is to love you. That's my job here. And with my friends, Dave and Jake, that I'm traveling with, and beloved Lexi, and the people that I'm working here with, I'm really familiar with, just to be loving and present with them. And that's my primary job. I can do that.

28:58And when I notice myself stopping doing that, which I will do because I'll get hungry or something, than to intervene with myself as best I can by honouring and knowing my weakness. Now, I didn't believe that, and I don't believe that there is any political figure operating within current systems that is going to bring about the type of change that's required to, at least forstall, total annihilation. That's right. I don't see anyone. Gavin Newsom, AOC, Bernie J.D. and in fact what I was saying around 2015 when I first um stepped into when I stepped out of what you might call vanilla celebrity and into political opining even though my vanilla celebrity was shellacked in a particular kind of loose decadence when I stepped into when I stepped into um because I was I had a girlfriend at the time that was um involved with a new statesman and so I did an edition of the new states was British uh one might say Fabian kind of uh So sort of fetishizing leftist ideas in order to create centralized bureaucracies that will never deliver to the people that they purport to care about.

30:07The famed ordinary Brit or average American, that poor bunch of chattel churned and tossed about on the storm of any passing breeze or fad. Anyway, so I said yes to this thing. And like, man, I knew a lot of famous people back then, Alec Baldwin, David Lynch, that wee wee dude out in China who just said that he went back to his native China, Al Weewee, I think I'm saying his name right. He went back there. He's like super famous and the left love him. And like, you know, because he left as a dissident from China and lived in Germany for a while and he's apparently a very brilliant artist. I didn't know that.

30:38I think he did the cover along with Shepard Fairey, the, you know, ardent Democrat supporting American artist. So, Al Weewee just went back to China. He goes, Germany's worse than China. Like, there's more centralized control, manipulation, less freedom of speech than China. This guy's a darling of the left type figure. Anyway, so when I was doing that New Statesman thing, that's when I did an accompanying promotional interview with our defining show was Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight. Jeremy Paxman was Fox News Tucker. He was like the guy that people got off on, like watching that dude mess with politicians.

31:15I'm not talking about like, you know, he'd probably be more liberal left than you were sort of a traditional conservative during your sort of Fox pump and heyday. But we got the same commodity from him. Jeremy Paxman would sit there with a Home Secretary and just go, oh, come on. Like he was more bombastic. You know that time like, oh no, I get why you think it. No, you just don't want us to have guns, but you have them. No, I get it. I do it. Like he had great stuff. No, I get it. I get it. I loved all that. But when I went on there, right, what was cool is even, I was 33 or 34, I was much younger.

31:46And I just said, none of my friends vote. We never vote. And he's like, oh, come on. You can't talk about politics. If you don't vote, you've got no right to be in the conversation. And I said, like, what are you talking about? I see you every week on here attacking politicians for being vapid and empty and insincere and Machiavellian. And then when I say I'm not participating, you attack me. I don't want to participate. None of the people participate. And it caused this big national conversation. And I was talking about I'm going to run for mayor of London because like an idiot, like the disciples, actually, I thought this is what I thought.

32:14I thought you've really what I should have thought is people have heard what you've said is true and they're responding to the truth in what you've said. That's what I should have recognized. But what I thought being fool and a fool was, oh, I'm really great and I should be powerful. I made it about myself. I thought that I was fantastic. And I got involved in it. I got involved in my own thing. And obviously it went terribly, terribly wrong as it always does when you do that. What happened? Well, I did say that I was going to run for mayor of London. And I did say that I participated in some brilliant movements like housing movements in London.

32:51and we led this big march into Downing Street and outside Downing Street, I go into a confrontation with a reporter and they had to talk about me in parliament. This is 2015. And what happened was, is I think from that moment, I think I was on the, I would say the radar of certain forces that probably monitor online threats and vocal critics of establishment power. And my, I would suggest that in the UK, it's a little more insidious, nefarious. And the image I have is like dirty soil, like oil in soil, like toxic land, like Britain's a deep-rooted toxic land. Now, I know a good deal of British, UK imperial power migrated to your country in the same way that Nazi physicists migrated in order to ensure Babylon succeeds.

33:40What happened was is I got attacked a bunch, like seriously attacked, seriously attacked. And I sort of withstood it somehow. But that's what it did. It eviscerated me. and I withdrew to the country, and I got married, and I bought my beautiful dog, Bear, and I had my beautiful children, and I lived out there calmly. But something was nagging at me the whole time, always. You're meant to be participating in this in some way, in some new way. See, I'm doing a new thing. Find the new thing. Find the new thing. But I always, always, like an idiot, I've been inculcated and indoctrinated by our culture, our culture.

34:14I think that individualism is our religion. Progressivism, and I don't mean cultural progressivism as in multiple genders. No, no, no. I mean, we're going to the moon, so everything's cool. We've got this device now that's going to solve everything. Gandhi in like 1940 said, check this from Gandhi. Gandhi said as the British were finally expelled, he said, there's no point in us beating the British in this revolution and then imitating and emulating the systems that have been bequeathed by them to us. India is a country of 70 ,000 villages. Each village should be fully autonomous, trading only where necessary.

34:50We must lose our fixation on gadgets and technology. 1940s, he's saying this. Of course, indeed, we know what happened. It emulated and like, it's essentially sort of, you know, it got conquered in an entirely different and more insidious way. Now, we care about supporting companies whose values align with ours. We do not want to shill for sleazy companies. It is better to give business to like-minded Americans than people who hate us. That's our rule. And that's one of the reasons we like Charity Mobile. When you make the switch to Charity Mobile, the company sends 5 % of your monthly price plan to pro-life, pro-family charities of your choice.

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35:56Visit charitymobile.com slash Tucker. And what happened to Gandhi? Was he rewarded for that? People said, this guy is a wise prophet. Let's revere him. But before we do that, we're going to shoot him in the head just to be sure. Lone gunman. and whenever there's a lone gunman, just some crackpot. Hey, these crackpots, I noticed that a lot of the time they do stuff that really benefits the most powerful interests. I tell you what, the powerful should start using these lone gunmen because there's a natural alliance. It's a good thing. It's like Coca-Cola and McDonald's. The two of them go there and like Coca-Cola, McDonald's and the Olympics, you know, like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, the Olympics and satanic festivals where you mock Christian imagery.

36:39The whole thing should get together. And if you find people that are prominent and outspoken and willing to risk their lives, probably what you should do is shoot them dead and then blame like something that will work in the culture. Like, I don't know, trans people. That wouldn't work. Knowing in your heart of hearts that Christ would love and minister to all of us, seeing us all as one family. I'm not interested in race. I'm not interested in colour or skin or sexuality. Although I am a bit interested in sexuality. All of you don't make a God out of it, whether you're a heterosexual, homosexual, single, celibate, whatever you are.

37:12Anyway, so I got in a lot of trouble. It was the first time I got in trouble. I learned from it. Wait, I just want to pause and say note to the editors of this, please clip that. That was like my favorite thing I've ever heard. Sorry, excuse me. But what I wanted to say was that the thing is, because he is real and because it is true, the very fact that as a result of presumably certain demographic information in your country, there's a requirement even to imitate Christianity as with that lady sort of charging her way to be first rather than last. And if she'd read the Bible, that's not what she would do.

37:49She'd want to be last rather than first. Then in this condition, they can't then deny. You can't deny what's in there. You can't deny the word. Once you've said America is a Christian country. We're running this on Christian principles. We need to return to how Christianity informed the Constitution and the founding fathers. And as Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, used to say, this was meant to be practiced in alliance and alignment with Christian principles. If you, that telos will be used in his service because we now have a standard. We now have a standard. Now, of course, we have forgiveness and we have anyone.

38:26He will forgive all of us if he can forgive me. He's taken my sin. He's taken my shame. He's taken yours and he'll take anyone's the most powerful people in the world, the most vulnerable and weakest person in the world. Indeed, he has no favorites. He doesn't even care about those categories. He doesn't recognize those categories. So what I'm saying is, is the reason that they annihilated Christianity is because it gave us a verifiable, permanent, indeed eternal basis upon which to run kingdom. It gave us instruction. It told us what's going to happen. Now, if as some kind of gambit, people have been emulating and performing Christianity, that's in there too.

39:00He says, no problem, no problem, because people will hear the name of Jesus Christ and they'll be saved. They'll be saved by that name and by acceptance in their hearts. And more practically, once those environmental conditions have been set, those of us that truly are following him and are trying our best to follow him and are trying to make ourselves smaller so that he can become greater, we can say, well, we've been looking in here and it doesn't say that you're meant to have a war with Iran. And it doesn't say that you're meant to validate people performing surgery. In fact, you are perfect already.

39:34Did you not know? You are so beloved. Let's help you. How can we help one another? Because you know our Lord, he would have been down with a trans, down with a homeless, down with a fentanyl, down with a junkie. He wouldn't have been going, oh, this is disgusting. How can I love you? How can I love you? And I spend a surprising amount of time actually speaking to gay people about Christ. And like, you know, because obviously they're concerned. And I'm trying to understand how we love. And what I can tell them absolutely is I overly identified with my sexuality. I'll tell you that. I made my sexuality the most important thing about me.

40:07And I thought it was okay to be hedonistic and decadent. And it was an expression of my sort of neo-pagan self. And can I say, there's been some consequences. So you might want to consider, there's something more beautiful about you. Are you saying, for example, that Jesus Christ and the beloved disciple John would have improved this great intimacy and total love between them by ejaculating? Is that what you're suggesting? There is more to you than that. There is a supreme intimacy with God. He actually wants to be inside you right now. Look at the carnality. He's incarnate. He's flesh and blood.

40:45As well as the agape love, there's eros love in that. We are his bride. We are his bride. It's there. It's a very powerful energy, the sexual energy. And I definitely, definitely misused it extensively by worshipping it and identifying with it. So when I'm talking to people about problems around identity and sexuality, even though I've never had the challenge of same-sex attraction, my certainty is that sex should not be our God, that love must be first. In fact, the 12 steps puts it so well, Tucker, in the great big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, which I'm a student of. It says, we want to stay out of this debate around sex.

41:25Some people think that sex is the be all and end all. And some people want to live in absolute denial of sex. This is a controversy we don't want to enter into. Some people would have a man with no flavor for his fare. And the other camp would have them on a straight pepper diet. Someone pointed out to me that straight pepper diet would be eating a condiment as if it were the main course or the meal. Sex is a condiment upon which adds flavor to the meal of love. That's what it is, according to scripture, in a marriage between a man and a woman. I'm still, you know, for my own, I'm trying to understand how to be completely loving to all people.

42:03It says here clearly, don't judge, get the log out of your own eye. So I guess my ministry is not about that. But what I don't want is to be a participant in a church that prioritizes judging and condemning others rather than dealing with our own evident internal fallen broken problems. That is the truth. We had this conversation at breakfast this morning with a wonderful person who works for us. And I was telling her about being in church a couple of weeks ago and somebody got up to read who I knew a lot about. and was judging so much based on, you know, behavior that we judge or whatever. And this person gets up to read.

42:43And I really felt very strongly that God just like spoke to me, which doesn't happen every day. And the message was, you are no better than her. And I turned, it makes me emotional thinking about it. And I turned to my wife, who I know was having similar thoughts, or I thought she was. And I whispered to her, I said, we are no better than her. And she goes, I know. and I think that is that's really at the center of it so much instruction love your neighbors then he removes any limited liability for the category of neighbor who is your neighbor? whoever's in front of you that's your neighbor that's your neighbor whoever's in front of you I totally agree but if you begin with I am no better than any other person I think it's a clarifying it takes the blinders off like you can see things clearly because what then you feel like you don't have your own personal little mandate to go around telling people yeah and also I mean, there is not a sense in which, I hate that phrase, but it is true that all people are connected to all other people in some way that's impossible to understand as a person, or for me to understand in any case, but that is absolutely real and you can feel it.

43:47And it's almost like there are moments, these rare transcendent moments in your life. I mean, sex is one of them where the barriers between people get thinner. They may not dissolve entirely in this life, but they're definitely, the membrane is thinner. and you feel a great satisfaction in that because that's kind of how it's intended to be. That so much that divides us is fake. It's put there on purpose in order to divide us, but that it doesn't reflect reality. Like our humanity, the fact we're all created by God is the most important fact about us. For decades, Russell Brand was one of the most famous actors and comedians and agnostics in the world.

44:24Today, he is one of the most sincere Christians we know, a follower of Christ. His personal transformation is remarkable. We saw it up close. He has now recounted it in an amazing book called How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. And it recounts what happened to him. And it makes the case to all of us for stepping away from our secular assumptions and returning to the only thing that matters, which is God. I've read it. It's amazing. And right now, there's only one place to get it. tuckercarlsonbooks.com. This is the first release from our new publishing company. We created Tucker Carlson Books to bypass the censors and bring you things that are actually worth reading and sharing.

45:04And we're starting this venture with what matters most, and that's Russell Brand's message of the promise of forgiveness and joy through Jesus. We're proud to launch our new bookstore with Russell Brand's How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. It is the message this country needs most. Find us today on tuckercarlsonbooks.com. Yes, and if we are able to receive our identity in him, then we will find in that kind of harmony, not necessarily ease or absence of suffering, but at least a certain truth. And it's an extraordinary that in this world of counterfeits, the identity politics, a peculiar facsimile and emulation of individual sovereignty has come to the forefront.

45:45Exactly. Can you explain that a little? Can you flesh it out a bit? Well, you were fearfully and wonderfully made, knitted together in your mother's womb. He loves you. Who is it you say that I am? I think that you are son of the living God, that you are the Messiah. Well, this insight, this is from, I guess in a few of the gospels there, but that's a moment between our Lord and Peter. After Peter acknowledges Christ as God, as son of the living God and the Messiah, he gives him the name Peter. You are the rock upon which I can build my church. when you see God for who God is, then you will know who you are.

46:21If you don't know God for who God is, then you will be looking for an identity in the world. I'm an Englishman. I'm an American. I'm a proud homosexual. I'm a young black woman. I'm a little Dutch boy wearing clogs. You start to identify with false things that you made with your own hands. No, the message to people about gender identity is go further. You are more individual than that. He loves you more than that. You are more unique than that. You're not part of a group of people that happen to feel that you don't fit with the arbitrary gender identities of 2026 American cultural identity that wear this and wear that.

47:02Indeed, in the word, in heaven, there is no man-woman. In heaven, in the supreme reality, there is no man-woman. He says that. That's in there. You're right. You're right in a way. It's a kind of a performance, But if that performance leads you to like, you know, changing your body surgically, then that's potentially there might be another route. But we can look at the data and see if that's working for people post-surgery and how many of them are happy with it. And I guess we could make a scientific, kind of a scientific judgment. But the problem is, is that all of us have been now recently exposed to the total illegitimacy of science in so much as we all know that only profitable experimentation is being undertaken.

47:41mistaken who's doing and conducting the experiments to demonstrate absolutely that there is no causal link between the childhood vaccine program and the rise in autism who's going to pay for that vaccine manufacturers i wouldn't have thought so the government i don't and then that's the end of the list there's no one else that can afford to who by the way i mean one of the moments of the deeper awakening to the immersive ubiquitous insidiousness of global imperialism came for me you know when you sort of realise things yourself that then become somewhat culturally evident and obvious and explored and discussed?

48:14It's happened to me, yes. Yeah. So when, with the vaccines, like how are they clinically trialling that for the impact on pregnant women? Because which pregnant women are going to allow them to, in this timeframe, have experimented? And how do we know the long-term effects? Because there hasn't been a long period of time in which to witness the long-term effects. And all those questions that one might sort of ponder chewing a pencil on your own, it turns out were unanswerable because we were being dreadfully deceived, dreadfully deceived. And it seems like the ultimate aim of it may have been population reduction.

48:52Of course. And then, of course, I suppose the additional benefits of how much authoritarianism can we leverage, how successfully, because remember the bit where it's like, well, you won't be able to do what you did in China, in America, Italy, in the United Kingdom. Turns out that you largely can, but there was kind of a stumbling block because people online with significant audiences were talking about it. Okay, so that's a problem. We can't have significant audiences online where people are getting non-mainstream information. What do we do to annihilate that? Well, can we create some kind of ideological diaspora where they're all arguing with one another, sometimes about important things, sometimes about dumb stuff?

49:27And as Dave Smith, I know he's a collaborator and friend of yours, when he said that 2008 and the Occupy movement was a kind of unique solidarity when it comes to the typical political taxonomies in your country and mine, people transcended that and recognized, hold on a minute, it's financial institutions that are to blame for this. Why don't we start targeting them? That was the advent of identity politics. Let's have a race war. Yeah, race war. Quick, urgent race war. Super quick. So you were involved in all that stuff. I mean, you were assessing British politics in 2008. That was a long time ago, all of a sudden.

50:01and now you're talking about Jesus. So how did that happen? Well, you wrote a book about it, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. Did you become a Christian in seven days? No, I became a Christian both instantaneously but over the entirety of my life. When it happened, it happened in an instant. It happened when I was, I reckon, even though I wouldn't have termed it this way at the time,

50:34probably contemplating suicide. I was probably considering, is there a way out of this? And the reason was, of course, was because of the allegations in the UK of criminal sexual conduct, specifically rape and sexual assault, at the same time as my son had been diagnosed with a heart condition, which we've discussed previously. And those two things happening simultaneously did something extraordinary to me in so much as it was exposed to me that I've, I mean, I heard it as a voice. Like you just described, sometimes you hear these voices. You've spent your whole life worshipping fame and sex. Well, now look, fame and sex have come together.

51:16Is this what you wanted? And all the time that I was famous, by the way, I think there would have been people that the only things they would have known about me is, oh, isn't that that guy that was married to Katy Perry? and isn't that that guy that likes always talking about sex and stuff and being all like a sexy rock star in movies. In your country, they might say that. And so those two things sort of compounded to show me the nature of my worship. You have been worshipping false gods. You have been idolizing yourself and fame can be glorious for the kingdom. Here's a tool he can use. Sex, magnificent source of creation, connection, of course.

51:52but I was misusing those things. Now, when that hit me, even though I kind of understood it a little bit before, I didn't understand it as viscerally as I did in the new context of your son. I'll tell you this, man. There was a moment where I was walking my dear beloved dog, Bear, and check out this thought. This is, I think, the tempter. I think this is the accuser. This thought occurred. Would you, what if your son, Laura's still pregnant, my wife is still pregnant. What if your son died and this could all go away? Would you accept that? And I sort of went, oh God, no. Like that. I sort of fell to my knees and I cried.

52:30I cried for thinking it. I cried for thinking it. Like how could you even think that? How could you even think that? And it sort of purged me a bit, that cry and that cleanse. In this period of contemplation, a friend of mine from a 12-step support group sent me a video of Rick Warren. And Rick Warren, I hadn't ever heard of Rick Warren. I didn't know that Purpose Driven Life sold 30 million. I don't know things like that. I'm not Christian. I don't care. Right? He sent me a video. And then I see it. And it's the most sort of slick televangelical TV show of like, hey, we're going to be speaking with Rick Warren.

53:03And I see Rick Warren. He's kind of beardy and plump. I'm like, what's all this? And then when he talks about like, Like, everyone's too toothy, too tax breaky. Like, you're not going to get me with that. You're not getting me with, like, proper American evangelism. I'm clever. I'm British clever. I'm British working class clever. That might be the cleverest anyone can be. You're not getting me with that. But he talked about his son killing himself. And the way he spoke about his son killing himself, because for me, in my mind, this is Tony Robbins, like, someone who I deeply admire, as a matter of fact.

53:35I'm thinking, Rick Warren, he must be, like, a personal coach, kind of person who brings out your excellence or whatever. You know, I didn't even have a reference for what Christianity is thinking about it now. But like, so Rick Warren spoke about his son's suicide without shame, with pain and sorrow, but without any kind of indulgence of that. And I thought, what is that? What is that? What is that that you can, because if your child kills himself, you better not be writing no books about personal development because the worst thing that can happen has happened. So shut up. But when I saw it modeled, delivered when I encountered it I felt like oh he's what is it and that sort of somehow glitched something in me and I was out there and I was in the fields by my house you've visited my house I'm by the river Thames by the river by the still waters and I'm in green pastures and it was only when my dog died that I realized that my dog is a German shepherd that he was a shepherd and that the shepherd made me sit down in green pastures and he made me be still by the waters and I I understood that I was being spoken to and that through my son I was being spoken to.

54:41Tucker, in those moments where if you hand over your boy at 12 weeks old to surgeons and you don't know if you're getting him back again, and then when you see him with the wires and the tubes and all that, it's so visceral. And in those rooms, me and Laura, we felt okay. We felt fine. We felt peaceful. We felt protected. And I was going into those hospitals, like the first time I wore a mask during that pandemic, let me tell you, was to be out in the streets in London because every single newspaper and every single TV station was dedicated right up until October the 7th, peculiarly, to saying Russell Brand's a rapist.

55:12We should have known. Could we have done something? Like in plain sight, suggesting that somehow I'd conducted my entire career in anticipation of a time where in the future I would be accused of sex crime. Brilliantly, he was flirting with every single woman he ever met on TV, on camera, and chatting up. If there was a talk show and there was a female here, I'd like to go, are you single? and if she said yes, I'd start flirting with her and try and detect that she attracted to me. And if she was, I would pursue that till it's literally natural conclusion. If I, on the other hand, detected revulsion, resistance, then I'm like, okay, luckily I'm famous.

55:53And they tried to somehow reframe that as like, I don't know how you would even do that. But the problem is, is I created a lot of data out there during those years. I was sleeping with thousands of women and I was sleeping with women that will have sex with you immediately in a bathroom or backstage or in a corridor in a car. So I create quite a lot of, I hurt people. I exploited people. That's greedy. That's selfish. It's inconsiderate. It's mean. It's certainly sinful, immoral. It's all of those things. There's no question about any of that. So when, show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

56:29If people's phones are getting scraped, as Edward Snowden revealed from more or less the late 90s, just in case one day you do something we don't like, we're ready to go. It's either going to be the pink or the green, the money or the honey. We're going to get you financially or we're going to get you sexually, unless you're a person that's lived in Christ. If you've lived in Christ your whole life, they're going to have to kill you for doing nothing. They're going to have to kill you for doing nothing. Probably happened to Charlie Kirk. Probably there was nothing shady to get him with, was there?

56:57That may be what it was. So, you know, luckily, I was a philanderer and a hedonist. So, well, we'll just do rape and sexual assault with that guy. That's going to take minutes. So they're able to, it's unbelievable when you see the material that was generated initially, I mean, their documentary by this company called Hard Cash. It was a actors played the women that were making allegations that had not gone to the police or anything like that. And they used bits of my stand-up where I was saying stuff like, you know, like really in a camp, I'm a British comedian. So I've been super camp and crass, but using campness to take the edge off.

57:38Very vulgar, anatomical and sexual and erotic jokes, which I was very explicit about. And they would pose that next to someone being shot in silhouette, even though it was an actor. Shot in silhouette, even though it's an actor, to protect the identity of an actor. If you put them then with music, people don't realize a documentary is a construction. What archive music did you choose from the archive library? What music for that scene? Why? Why did you cut away there? Where's the rest of the interview? How many times did you talk to that person? What did you tell that person when you were talking to them?

58:10So it was an extraordinary time. And I have absolutely, I will say this, no animosity to anyone involved, because I can see why you would do it. I can see if you look back at something 20 years ago, 25 years ago, where you had sex in a bathroom with a stranger, why would you not? Like, if you see a documentary, that guy, he's a villain. He was dressed in black. He loomed. His eyes changed suddenly. It's extraordinary. It's extraordinary. But the reason that there were no allegations, I'm assuming, contemporaneously or during Me Too or, you know, all the way up to, there was a television program called Russell Brand has secretly been committing all these sexual offenses.

58:53I'm assuming, and then there was a phone number at the end of, have you ever met Russell Brand? Then I'm assuming that was a component in this. So either we believe that the Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch, are a great, you know, they're a force for good in the world. And, you know, Hard Cash, whose name has certain indications, are that they're there to help us and that the mainstream media at large are here to help us. or there might be some other agenda at play. That if people are prominently talking about COVID and Moderna and Pfizer and Rishi Sunak invested in Moderna when it only had five employees and then when he was Chancellor and Prime Minister, they did deals with Moderna to the tune of millions and all of the things that we understand took place in the COVID period or the Ukrainian war and that the CIA carve-out, I should say, made content saying Russell Brands an asset for Russia and put it into Ukrainian language.

59:42That's an indication of the presence of the state or if the 77th Brigade run by Mark Lancaster, who's married to Caroline Dynage, who's the department head of the social media department. And Caroline Dynage on like day one of Russell Brand's accused of sex crimes is like, he should be demonetized on X and YouTube. When did she learn what the word demonetized means? When did she learn that? Does she know about CPMs, does she? And programmatic ads? Or did she have a conversation with someone? I wonder who? I wonder if it was her husband, Mark Lancaster. Guess what their job is? When Britain are occupying or working in Afghanistan or Syria or wherever to protect us, the 77th Brigade, what they do is ensure that there is no significant uprising by managing the social media, by de-amplifying and controlling social media in e.g.

1:00:30Afghanistan or Syria to make sure that only the correct rebel factions are able to organise their information. Shadow banning, we'd call it here. Well, 77th Brigade aren't allowed to operate in the UK because you're not allowed to use military psyops on a domestic population, except in COVID. Special suspension was made, allowing 77th Brigade to operate inside the UK and to allow them, and it said this in the Times newspaper, the same newspaper, in fact, that published much of the nefarious and untrue reporting about me, that 77th Brigade are going to take down vaccine misinformation, social media commentators.

1:01:06Now, in the UK, that's who I was and what I was. That was what I was doing. I was providing an alternative narrative. The YouTube channel was exploding. It was extraordinary. And I was beginning to think, I have to be involved in politics. It's not enough. It's not enough to just talk about this. Indeed, look at what's happened with cryptocurrency. Technology means that the same centralized financial institutions cannot control global finances in the way they once did. Don't look too much into where that power is primarily housed, but it seems that you can generate false revenue through inflationary measures.

1:01:42You can control entire economies and indeed base an economy on the one thing that's explicitly forbidden in here, debt and usury. Thankfully, all our debts are paid by the one who truly loves us. So technology changed currency and finance forever. Technology is changing media forever. It's inevitable that it will change politics. When people accept that we now have the technology for direct participatory democracy, where every single issue could be polled and voted on by the population, that you could have minimum centralisation and minimum intervention as the principles, that the states, each state could be independent wherever possible, each town could be independent wherever possible, each individual could be independent wherever possible.

1:02:27In here, of course, we have some significant guidelines for transgressive behaviours that would require legal intervention, and pretty much all of us know what those are. We've all, indeed, C.S. Lewis's primary argument, along with Aquinas, is morality doesn't have to be engineered and it's not some sort of post-truth, post-structuralist, there is no truth, arbitrary thing. We all know good and bad because we feel it viscerally and we feel it in our cardiovascular system. We have inbuilt senses if you don't turn them off with vaccines and bad food and bad signals continually. In a manageable way, Tucker, the city of London is having an election for mayor in 2028.

1:03:03The reason this is fascinating is because the office of mayor is manageable. The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, right now is only in control of the Metropolitan Police Force, London Transport, and certain issues regarding planning and housing. All of these areas in a participatory direct democracy could be opened up to people that live in London, that love London. All of a sudden, you don't have politics that thrives and runs on ideology and debate, you have a pragmatic democracy. Do you want ULES cameras that charge you if you have a certain type of vehicle? Do you want a congestion charge? Vote for it.

1:03:39If you vote yes, we'll do it. If you vote no, we won't. Do you want this type of policing where people are arrested for Facebook posts? Or do you want to focus on knife crime? Which boroughs, which areas, what time of day? Do you want us to investigate historic crimes? Or do you want us to focus on contemporary rape gangs? The beauty of it is you would say, we have an opinion and we have a voice and we have advocacy. You could even, if you wanted for free, because there's no way I would pay people to do this, have a council of elders from the LGBTQ plus community, from the Muslim community, from the white working class community, from the left and from the right, from all potential groups and say, why don't you advocate and advise?

1:04:19Because I don't want to be in charge of London. I want to participate in an end to the kind of politics that we know is birthing, midwifing the apocalypse and Armageddon through duplicity, through conflict, through endless self-obsession, through pornography, through addiction, using addiction, even where it doesn't typically play out every time we look at a screen, the food that we eat, the things we believe about ourselves. I would like to run for Mayor of London in 2028 so that the people of London would run it, so that politicians are not involved in politics, So we have true, open-source, transparent democracy.

1:04:57I bet you, like me, do polymarket adverts. They seem to be advertising absolutely everywhere. That technology for polling and electing could be used to determine where you want your local budget spent, who you want running a particular area of public life, if there is a requirement for any representation. And most importantly, you will be in control of your own lives. And we don't need to quarrel and squabble about Islam and Islamic invasion And if the people of Epping don't want to have migrants in their community, then let them vote on it. Now, that's not an area that the London mayor controls, but certainly if the polling was available, it would be difficult to impose that on the people of Epping.

1:05:33Perhaps if people in other communities are very pro-refugees, they would get a budget for and the ability to house refugees. There's no point in us living in this tower of babble, madness, of incessant, unending conflict online and sometimes in person when we have the opportunity for real community, real change. At this point, Tucker, we know that the Republicans aren't the answer, the Democrats aren't the answer, the Conservatives aren't the answer, the Labour Party, the Greens, Reform, whoever. What you want is for people to be absolutely empowered in their own lives, as our Lord suggests. Each of us has direct access to divine truth and you can participate as much as you want to.

1:06:11So that I want to tell you as well, that my intention amidst all this madness with a forthcoming trial and a book out that I'm very pleased with, I'm going to run for mayor of London in 2028. You're going back to the UK? Well, yes, possibly to serve a jail sentence. I wasn't going to ask you about this because I'm upset about it. And I just want to say for the record as clearly as I can that I buy your explanation completely. and I think this is a lie and that you're facing like a real jail term because you spoke against the people in power. I don't think there's any other way to interpret it.

1:06:49So that's my position, just to be clear. But what exactly are you looking at? Like what happens next? I'll be on trial in October. Of this year? Yes. and I don't want to be willfully ignorant, of course, but I tend not to ask what will happen if I'm not acquitted because I've got a wife and three young children. Also, by the way, I do believe if someone committed a rape 20, 25 years ago and that's proven to be true, that person should go to jail. Rape is abhorrent. I watched the other day, something like Pretty Woman with my wife and when there's an attempted rape by the brilliant Jason Alexander, It's an appalling, abhorrent, jarring moment.

1:07:36It's the worst thing. And when I watched it from the position I'm in now, I was like, that's what, what the fuck? How dare you say that I would do that? How dare you say that I would do that? I have a kind of a magnetic allure. I'm not saying I wasn't at a pretty appalling lowlife of an individual, but what I was not doing was imposing, forcing, coercing, attracting, charming, seducing. Anyway, of course. Well, that's the pleasure in it. It's like fishing. That's why dynamite fishing is no fun. Fly fishing is lots of fun. Do people use dynamite in fishing? Of course they do. Right, that should be banned as well.

1:08:13But I'm just saying like, if I'm out of London, that goes on day one. But most men, yeah. I mean, I know that there are rapists out there and I think they should be severely punished. Most normal people think that. Yes. But most men, I've never met any man who got drunk and told me his secret desire is to like force sex in anyone. That's the opposite of what I think most men want. Yes. Correct? Because the currency is love. Well, that's exactly right. And it's also like I lured this person with my charms. Isn't that how men feel? I think they do. I think primarily, and I pray ultimately most men, yes.

1:08:46So why? Okay, so this whole thing happens. You get charged. I was actually in the British Isles the day this happened. And I called you. I'll never forget it. And I gave the bad advice I give to everyone who's charged in a political case like this, which is run as fast as you can to a country with no extradition treaty and like don't, which is an option. It is an option. Of course, run away. This whole system is rigged against people who question its most basic premises as you have. So like, why are you submitting? You're choosing to participate in this to take the risk to submit. Why? Firstly, because I believe all things are from God and I recognize that this is what it took for me to accept that my life is not my own.

1:09:33I belong to a higher calling, a higher purpose. I recognize that. I also recognize that what I demonstrated and how I lived for a long time was wrong. I also believe in trial by jury, as a matter of fact, even though the United Kingdom are trying to obliterate that, and that's not a good sign. They're trying to remove that, except for murder and rape cases. but they are, as well as advancing surveillance technology, facial recognition, digital ID, all of the things you're aware of in the dystopian UK, they're trying to get rid of jury trial. And I believe it is possible to have a fair trial. And I believe it is necessary to confront and stand up and stand firm in your conviction, in this case, in my conviction, about the truth of what I've done and what I haven't done.

1:10:18Because as a Christian, we're all forgiven for all of the things we've done wrong. but you don't need to be forgiven for things you haven't done and there is of course in a way no choice you say that I could you know go to a place where there's no extradition treaty and in the moments of my worst fear you know those are the kind of things I think about but in reality Tucker it says in here the the book of James opens with we consider it pure joy when we face trials of any kind and there's no exemption in the Christian life it's not like well except unless you actually do have a trial, in which case, get yourself to Bora Bora, quick smile.

1:10:57You know, this is what I'm called to do. This is what I am called to do. This is what we are being called to do. I'm not trying to drag you into my terrible trial with me. I'm saying that your trial, I think, is of a comparable nature. Because in a sense, it's sort of inadvertent that we find ourselves in this position, that you had an enormous audience on Fox, and then you become an independent journalist and become even more successful, and you go from advocating for Trump for reasons that are perfectly understandable to condemning Trump for equally evident and obvious reasons, even if we take personalities out of it, the Iran war, that where does that go for you now?

1:11:35What are you going to be called to do? You will note that most of the people that get called in here are like, no, thanks. I'd rather not. I'd rather not. I've always been a bit of a glory hunter kind of, you know, well, that's actually the wrong way to put it. I felt so worthless and inferior as a child, so unapproved of, unwanted and unloved. That's not to do with my parents. They really did their level best. And then as a drug addict, anyone who's like the kind of drug addict I was, you're moving among poor people, prostitutes, broken people. And all of that time, I felt a kind of an emptiness and a worthlessness.

1:12:13And when my identity was fulfilled, it seemed at least to me, in a kind of stardom and acceptance and being lauded and applauded and celebrated and loved and given the kind of attention that I thought would work. And it was really quickly meaningless and empty after this beautiful golden moment of feeling like, oh, wow, Lord, you love me. I feel that there is nothing for us to do but to lovingly participate in whatever he puts in front of us. And the examples are alive in here. All of them are persecuted and often just killed for what they believe in, Normally, because at some point they encounter conflict with real power, either the kind of cultural Pharisaic power of the early Christians or the monarchical, oligarchical, terrifying despotism of the kings of the earlier empires.

1:13:05And for the first Christians, their role was to, well, indeed, isn't the primary character of their conversion, all these people that were willing to look into the eyes of people, including the 12-year-old girl at the fire, and Peter said, I don't know him, I've never met that guy, where minutes ago he was willing to sort of get in a fight for him. These people, these men, these ordinary men and women, these ordinary Christians, when they're confronted with a moment where they might have to die for what they believe in, take it. Now, I recognize I'm not standing in trial for being a Christian, I'm standing in trial according to the lexicon of the British judiciary for the crimes that I've already discussed.

1:13:46But what this is my opportunity to do is to show that I believe in truth. I believe you can have a justice system because there is a God. If you don't believe in God, you can't have absolute justice or absolute truth. They are by definition constructs of the human mind arrived at using a mind that by its own belief is itself an arbitrary system born of chaos. You can't have morality. And when you live in that culture, and most people do, A lot of people seem to anyway, because I'm talking about like a lot of Christians aren't living like, oh my God, this is actually real. And that's of course forgivable.

1:14:19The first Christians had that problem. They found it hard to live as Christians, live as disciples of Christ, yoked to him, following him, eyes on him at all times. This is for me a difficult thing. I wish it would go away. I wish it would go away. But what I pray for is the strength to be who I am in him as I walk through it and to go where he wants me to go. I don't want power no more. I don't want the power of being a celebrity or the mayor of London or a Lothario. I don't want that. All I want is to know him intimately. And I forget that sometimes because I'm weak and I'm easily distracted and I'm fallen.

1:14:57But in him, I'm none of those things. He made me and you and everybody for to know him, to know him and love him. And it doesn't all have to be on a big grand global stage in great big trials against a fallen nation. Britain's fallen apart. That's obvious. It's evident. It's on a different trajectory from your country. It's still owned by dark imperial power. And the thing about the idea of participatory, direct democracy, Tucker, is I don't care if I don't want to sit in an office somewhere making decisions. I want to pray all of the time. I want to be with God and I want to be with my children and with the people I love.

1:15:27And to tell people to do what it says in the Great Commission, tell people in a language that they'll understand God is real. Christ is real. Stop worshiping the world. You're going to die. You're going to die. And it's all meaningless. all of us evidently all of us have experienced grief and death i can't i can't even get through the death of my dog without jesus in fact but with jesus the death of my dog shows me oh my god i may find it hard to think of a galilean man 2026 years ago laying down their life for me but i know that dog would have done it i know that dog would have done it and that opened enough in me to for me to receive him more deeply when my beloved dog died i don't want to be in any other communion i don't I don't want any of the world's power anymore.

1:16:10I know how broken I am and how corruptible I am. And I know I can't take my eyes off him for a second, but thankfully I see him everywhere now.

1:16:20So you began this process. Well, you began the process at the beginning of your life, but you began the conscious change from pagan to Christian or whatever you were before to Christian after your son was diagnosed with a very serious ailment and you found out you're going to be indicted for rape. That's what it takes. I'm not easily converted. Hey, there was this guy. He helped people. Yeah, so what? That's probably not true. He's the son of God. I don't care. People are doing miracles. You're in trouble. Okay, all right. Okay, okay. You've got me. What do I need to do? Explain it. So I watched it carefully and you and I talked about it as it was happening.

1:17:05And I just thought it was one of the most wonderful things. And by the way, I just have to just pause for a two minute story, which I think I've told before, but it's my favorite story ever. We went to Easter a few years ago and we had dinner the night before. And you were talking about how you're going to get baptized. And we went to this Easter service. It was an outside Easter service on the beach. And these two kids come up to me. They were college students from Purdue in Indiana. And they said, is that Russell Brand? This is the next morning after we had talked about baptism. And I said, yeah, that's Russell Brand.

1:17:34Yeah, Russell Brand, my friend Russell Brand. He said, that's incredible. We have been praying in our church that Russell Brand would get baptized. And we just find ourselves here this morning at this church service. It was nowhere near where they live. And I said, I felt emotional hearing this. I said, we were just talking about his baptism last night. And then they walked up and introduced themselves to you. And I just thought, wow. I mean, I guess I already knew this, but there aren't coincidences. Like we are in the middle of a drama that we didn't write. So then you get baptized and then you start talking about Jesus.

1:18:12And immediately people say, well, the guy's an actor and a comedian. He puts on personas for a living and they don't believe you and they make fun of you. What was that like, that experience? I didn't really mind that actually. Because it's obviously a different reality at that point. And also remember, I've got this good foundation of 12 steps. The 12 steps too requires that you surrender your identity as an alcoholic and as a drug addict. You come to believe there's a power greater than yourself. You hand over your will and your life to the care of God as you understand God. The problem I think with paganism is one will always revert to self.

1:18:44If everything is God, then anything is God. And I know what I tend towards. Me, I'm God. I should be in charge. That's what I incline towards. So when I was in here, I don't like people saying that, you know, if it was up to me, people would only say nice things about me all of the time. That would be bad for us if that happened, don't you think? Yes, I don't think that would work because I tried to surround myself in a little sycophantic bubble at various points in my life and it hasn't worked out at all well for me. So I don't mind about that. I don't care about that at all, actually. Really?

1:19:19Because it infuriated me watching it? Really? Because I knew it wasn't true. and it really bothered me. Thank you. That's really kind of you. But it had no effect on you. That's funny. Well, actually, I was around really good Christians that were sort of like going, well done. I was so encouraged. I would send people. You know, when I got baptized, because those kids, they were trying to, I remember those kids from hanging out with you that time around Easter. They were like, hey, I baptize her. Can we baptize you? We baptize each other. It was like they were going to gang baptize me there and then.

1:19:50And I knew that Bear Grylls had been saying to me, hey, he actually termed it this way, shall we get baptized is what he said. And I thought, me, because I had been so solipsistic up to that point, I didn't know that Bear Grylls is a pretty passionate Christian and had been public about it. So I thought, oh, Bear Grylls is on this trip. Is he? I'll get baptized with him. Well, when he arrived, it was quite plain that only I was getting baptized. Then there was the obvious and evident demonic coughing. Like I could not stop coughing. The pastor arrived by boat. My friend Joe, who's a Catholic, was one side of me.

1:20:21that hefty fallen man and a bear on the other side. It's like, you know, it takes me sort of career criminals and the SAS to baptize me. We got in that water and I couldn't stop coughing. You know when you get an embarrassing cough? Oh, yeah. One of them happened. They were looking at each other. We got in that River Thames. I went under. I came out and I felt different. I felt different. Now, a lot of companies in the UK that are in charge of water franchises have not behaved responsibly with that river. So it could be diphtheria. It could be all sorts of things. Cholera, yeah. Cholera, it could have been many of those things.

1:20:53But I came out and I felt different and I've not really, I felt an increasing, anyone that's Christian or has come to Christ as an adult knows what it's like. There is a subtle vacillation. There is at least temptation, a calling to go back. What if I did this? There is, I can feel the old identity. Wasn't it Spurgeon who says, you know, you are drowned in Christ, but sure enough, the old guy can swim. The old man can really swim. I feel the old man. I feel the Adam man in me, the old earth man, the fallen man calling back. But I feel closer and closer to him all the time. I feel like I'm able to have this conversation with you in Christ, enough so that it doesn't seem to me to be a problem if some people go, I think you're only going...

1:21:34I don't know if you know how the British legal system works, but there is no contingency for Christians. Britain has just made like abortion legal till your 25th birthday. Like we can abort you now if we have to. We can euthanise you if you say I've got a headache. Euthanise him, euthanise him. They're changing the law to put the power of God into the hands of man right now. So saying I'm a Christian is not like, you know, in Britain, the way things are going right now, where I pray for revival, I pray for revival. Yes, I do too. No one seems to be questioning the fact that you can't have a justice system without a God.

1:22:04Without God, there is no justice because justice means absolute right. Right. Absolute truth. That's what it means. It means it's possible to aspire to, that it's there, that there is a path, that there is a way. No one's thinking about these things as they churn through mad post-enlightenment despair and atrophy and entropy. The whole thing seems to dissipate and degenerate. And as we nominate AI to be our moral center and create new false consciousness, new false gods at an alarming rate, no one's considering that we've got no grounding in truth. And until we have systems that represent our true role, yet we are stewards of the earth.

1:22:42That's why we love the earth. we are its stewards. We must love one another because that's what we're here to do. Under God, when we get rid of that and put ourselves at the top, then we're just quarreling about ideologies. How much longer in American politics do you want to go between, right, we won, let's spend the next four years desecrating the beliefs of this group. Right, we won, let's desecrate the beliefs of this group. We won, let's desecrate, before we recognise, well, this isn't real. What are we doing? The real agenda is carrying on in plain sight. And it seems to be a geopolitical agenda that has some weird connection both to energy, which is another word for power, and indeed occultism, which means hidden ritual, hidden power.

1:23:23Something is going on, something that I don't think any of us really understand. And you, more than anyone, it seems to me, at least right now, appear to have been nominated to describe it to people. You're doing a good job. Well, I don't understand it at all. Luckily, I do understand almost everything on like a dog level. It has to be very obvious for me to pick it up. But I do believe that symbols are resonant. That's why people use them. And if all around you, you see obvious signs that people have a religious agenda. I have been around powerful people for so long that one thing I've learned is they're the most religious people of all.

1:24:06and they all pretend to be agnostic or I don't believe in anything. I believe in science. No, no, no, no, no. They are observant religious people. They're just not worshiping the same God, but they think their power is supernatural. There's no doubt about it. I know them and they believe they're special because they're getting supernatural power. And I think it's demonic power. I think it's really obvious. Look at the fruits, but they know it. They know it. They're observant religious people. You mean through practice? Yes. Through ritual? Correct. Correct. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, and it's always the same.

1:24:43It's the temptation of Christ. Bow down before me and all this will be yours. But I mean, there's no question in my mind that, you know, the killing, the ritual killing of other people, whether through war, abortion or euthanasia, the death penalty, it's a religious ritual. Of course. And through killing the shedding of blood of others, especially of innocents, they derive power. What's child molestation? There's no sexual attraction to children in nature because there's no reproductive possibility. So normal people are not, of course, there's nothing sexual about molesting a child. The point of it is to defile, right?

1:25:26I mean, that's why it's so common. yes it's not because they have like weird sexual or there's nothing sexual about it it's like when i destroy purity and beauty i gain supernatural power i think that can be eroticized by sure but the eroticization is in itself a kind of charge i believe this is where again we would look to the outliers in the conspiracy community of i know that you know we talked at the beginning of how we've moved from mainstream media purview where just to say that I'm from the New York Times or the BBC is insufficient. That is not a badge of honor and authority anymore. Those days are gone, except for the kind of nostalgia around it, I suppose.

1:26:08But then people that are eccentric and are kooky and perhaps because our culture hasn't afforded the roles that are emerging from this new kind of Jungian psyche that we're creating. We're creating a new consciousness through AI, through the internet, through mass comms. And so you will have the dark woman, the shadow woman that tells truth and mad and frantic red-faced preachers screaming or broken, wounded men. You will have converts and apostates too. That's you and probably me too. You will have the, and like, see David Icke, what I always felt about him is why can't the culture accommodate him?

1:26:48And what on earth was it that happened even in the brief time that I was in media where we could, I used to have a radio show on the BBC, BBC Two, very popular, normal. I got thrown off it, of course, because I did something ridiculous, as usual. But like David Icke, he used to just come on. I'd go, David Icke, so tell us what? The Queen's a lizard? And yes, there are reptilian entities. Now, what David Icke would say about the rituals that involve child abuse are that it generates an energy that I believe they call loose that sort of is being utilized. And all that adrenochrome stuff is starting to seem eerily, we're not moving away from that direction is what I'm saying, is it's like there's one vocabulary that describes it that seems conspiratorial, somewhat sort of Baroque in its imagery.

1:27:28But the other one is in here. I mean, it's like child sacrifice is clearly what they're playing at those high altars for Moloch and Baal and Beelzebul, like that they're demanding innocence. And there is some sort of weird or odd component. And what was Jezebel doing when Elijah had to take all that time out, drove himself in that? None of this is, I mean, it's all bad, but it's certainly not anomalous or strange. It's like the story of every civilization from the beginning of recorded history is always operated on the basis of what we're describing. I saw you say what you think all of a sudden, like throughout, for time immemorial, the elites and most powerful people have had access to like sexual pleasure.

1:28:07You think that's all of a sudden stopped now? You think they're not doing it now because of rationalism? Because of what? It's so silly. Of course they're doing that. And I suppose, isn't it strange because now we can't talk around power anymore. That's what the decline of Trump does, I think, is it means you can't have this convenient, albeit temporary symbol of resurgent American pride and nationalism through common sense and free market and America first when there's a war with Iran that appears to be beneficial to extra American interest. You can't have that anymore. Now it's like, oh, right, so you too, huh?

1:28:47And that's... But what do you mean we can't talk around power anymore? When we talk about power now, of course, even though I don't particularly read it, one can sense the hysterical glee of the Democratic left. We told you, Tucker Carlson, that Trump's a madman. We told you that he was a narcissist. We could have had Kamala Harris in that White House right now. She would have never have gone to war with Iran. Kamala Harris would have stopped firm. You saw the way that woman described problems and definitely wasn't drinking in the daytime. She would have resolved all of this. Get her now. Is it too late?

1:29:26Would she do it? She might run again. Quick, it's not too late. What about Gavin Newsom? He's got nice hair. AOC, she was a bartender, you know. Come on. See reason. See reason. But like also Republican Party. Who are we going to get excited about? I mean, look, you know, What I used to criticize when I was affiliated with the left by virtue of the class of my birth and the champagne socialism version of that as a sort of a star type guy, the argument I used to really find quite repugnant was, well, of course, we know the left's not perfect. We know that Tony Blair is compromised. We know that Keir Starmer at the CPS was dreadfully authoritarian, as I heard you once say, you won't convince me even at gunpoint that that guy's making decisions himself.

1:30:11I love that. But like, just let them, because the alternative is so much worse. The alternative is so much worse. And using that polarity modality, they've bounced us around for about 100 years. At least. If not longer. If not longer. And now, so when I say real power, surely we should be considering now, okay, so ethno-nationalist, America first populism, conservatism with kind of allusions to Christianity without heeding Chesterton's warning. Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and not been tried. And for us to recognize, it's hard to be a Christian because it starts with you.

1:31:00Like Chesterton also said, I'm the problem. I'm the problem. That's the truest thing. And like you said, yeah, you said that. I see that resonates with you. price of admission. Well, I just think that's the beginning of liberation. It's like the beginning of healing a fractured relationship is always the same. You acknowledge that it's your fault. And it stays fractured. This is true of a relationship between another person and a relationship between you and God. It only begins to be healed when you admit what you did wrong. That's just true. That's just a fact. It doesn't work otherwise. Does it?

1:31:32No, it doesn't. And I'm trying to do that in the areas where I have been wrong, while in the difficult situation of being accused of things I haven't done. And that's been a real little tightrope walk, and certainly more than I can have. What's your story? Are you going to get a chance to say this? I want to come, by the way. Will you? Oh, obviously. I don't know if they'll let you in the dark, because I'd like you in there. I mean, they got excited when I had a Bible in there. Someone came and took the Bible off me. She was a lovely lady, actually. But I was holding the Bible. And also, when the news reporter, my father-in-law, my beloved father-in-law, God love that Catholic, devout, lovely man, Bernard Gallagher, like he's a serious person, like he's a golfer.

1:32:04He's a Ryder Cup captain, you know, like he's a beautiful guy. And when I saw him last month, I was like, what are you doing, Russell? It said in the paper that you stood up and started trying to preach in the courtroom. I was like, no, I did not do that. I didn't like grab the Bible and say, now hear this, there is only one true justice, and it's not the corrupt justice of the British. I didn't do that. I just was quietly holding it. And then I saw someone else clutching his Bible. There's nothing that I won't metastasize. Clinging to, I think is the term we use. Clinging to his Bible, which I think we saw him sexually assault earlier in 1992.

1:32:41Like, I mean, like they won't miss an opportunity to turn everything negative. So when I say we can't be confused about power, you with your constituency, you with your voice, how can you ever again say, all right, I advocate for this party or this group. It's got to be principles. It's got to be principles. It's got to be, these are the principles. And the one that I keep coming to is democracy. could work, but it can't work at the scale of nations. You're going to have to look at what the limits of democratic reach are. And we've got to let go of some pretty baked in ideas. Individuality, individual sovereignty, beautiful, but individual expressionism, the ridiculousness of you've just got to be who you truly are.

1:33:22What do you mean? Well, people are truly violent. They're truly corrupt. They're truly broken. Be who you are in God. Be who you are in God, not who you are according to your mad culture. That'll turn you into all sorts of crazy things on any given Sunday afternoon. Individualism doesn't work as an idea. Materialism doesn't work as an idea as a highest principle. Of course, I recognize we're in a reality that has edges. And progressivism, the idea that we're advancing. People in the old days, they were idiots. We've understood this now. They needed the Bible back then because they were dumb. We've advanced beyond that.

1:33:54That idea has to go as well. we have to move to a position of humility and righteousness righteousness means i know your real god and i know me because i am me and i know you've been with me all the time so you know how broken i am you know what i've done you know what i've not done so that's the basis now for the rest of my life seek thee first the kingdom of god and all this and his righteousness will be granted to you if i'm in the right position with god now i can do what god wants me to do not what I want me to do or what the culture wants me to do. So real power is God's power. But as you already alluded to in both Luke's telling and John's telling of the temptation, when the devil tempts Christ, he says, I'll give you power over all of this.

1:34:35It's mine. And I can give it to whoever I want. And Jesus doesn't go, well, steady on. He goes, yeah, I recognize that. But actually, that's not what I'm here for. I'm paraphrasing. But like, you know, Christ recognizes. And as it says in John's first epistle, we know that the evil one is in charge of this world. And as St. Paul reminds us in Ephesians, we're fighting against dark spiritual power. So real power, I saw it on one of your shows, actually, and it was a good video title, by the way, whoever came up with that. Everything is downstream of spiritual warfare. Everything is downstream. So if we operate on that basis of how is this, what is this doing spiritually?

1:35:10What value is this promoting? What role is this casting me in? What lie am I believing in thinking that if Congress goes this way or the executive branch goes that way or the Senate does that. It's not enough anymore. We've got to look rigorously at what's happening. And I think the one principle is maximum power to individuals, to communities, to families. But you can't go around making people be Christian at gunpoint. So that works for me. It's breaking apart of my entire reality in order to recognize that he's real. The simple fact, he's real. He's here now. He rose. He didn't die. He ascended.

1:35:44He granted us the Holy Spirit. It's within you. It's not just a poem. is a deep, essential reality. It's more real than you're called Russell and you can speak this language that you didn't invent using lungs that you didn't give yourself, walking on a land that you didn't build in an infinite space that seems to be expanding with a molecular world that's full of weird paradox and miracle. You didn't do any of that, but you can, through his grace, participate in it through truth. First truth, like you said, confession. Confess, this is all of my brokenness. this is who I am do what you want with me and in a way that is liberating because there is part of me Tucker that doesn't want to be convicted of rape and go to jail and there is part of me oh there's a part of you hey that's a bit of me now I'm trying to get rid of that little guy but there's a part of me that also thinks well hang on if this can happen anything can happen if you can conjure it up and also by the way I'm you know like we'll say watching your content I'm thinking oh man am I just some guy banging on about his divorce like oh this thing happened to me it was not fair I can show you it's logical I know that guy.

1:36:48He better not be coming to dinner. Are you afraid? Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes. And in that fear, fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but 365 times do not be afraid. And so what is the fear of God? It's the beginning of God has absolute power. It's the beginning of wisdom. It's not the end of wisdom. It's the beginning. So if I sort of recognize that God is the person that must be my focus, I will be taken on a journey. And obviously God wants me to go through this because this is happening. But it's also sort of kind of not odd in a bunch of ways, other than the odd anomaly of I didn't do the things I'm accused of.

1:37:32It really makes sense in a lot of ways. I worship the world. I was exploitative and greedy. There's loads of ways that it makes sense. I kept missing opportunities to live a good life like God would show me. hey, look, you've got this amazing wife and these beautiful children. Do you want to be grateful now? And I was like, no, I should have more. Shouldn't I be powerful? I keep falling into. I obviously am a person that needs clear instruction, and I've received it. So are you going to start your campaign while you're in London on trial? I'm starting it now, right now. And it's in 2028. You have to, you know, like the business end of running for mayor of London is pretty practical.

1:38:12You pay 10 grand. you get some signatures in every single borough of London. But this is the thing that I think is important. It doesn't matter if it's me. It matters about the ideas. If you have a Green Mayor of London or a Reform Mayor of London or a Conservative or even if Sadiq Khan continues doing it, you know what you're going to get. If you vote for participatory, open-source, direct democracy where every single decision where possible, and I don't see why all of it wouldn't be possible and open for referenda, Switzerland does it four times a year, massive referendum, that's a whole country.

1:38:42You have the opportunity to change London meaningfully. Now, that is populism, and populism is a kind of dirty word. People sort of seem to think that the population are dirty, that there's something wrong with people. Mob rule. But I'd say what we have now is closer to mob rule. Mafia, mob, mob mentality. We know what mob means. And also, by the way, I rather object to the fundamental principle of contemporary politics by leadership and governance by appointed leaders that you don't understand. You're stupid. You don't know what we know. We need people that have been through these institutions to run government.

1:39:19I don't like that. I object to it on the most sort of personal, sociological and relational grounds. Some of those beautiful people I meet haven't had formal education. Some of those intelligent people I meet haven't had a formal education. And the idea that power belongs to an elite is for me, it's disgusting. And I think for a minute, if I can be entirely honest, I was so sort of blindsided and overwhelmed by the events that, you know, we've talked about a lot over the course of this conversation, that I actually forgot, you're supposed to be doing something for other people. You're not meant to be here just for you.

1:39:56You're supposed to be doing something for other people. And the idea that someone is... As self-involved as I have been, as narcissistic, solipsistic, hedonistic and indulgent, as epicurean as I've been in my life, will now say, listen, it doesn't even matter if it's me. It doesn't matter if I'm the Mayor of London. The system, this idea is what matters. Open source, direct democracy, where you vote for if you want ULES cameras or this kind of policing or that kind of policing. Is it Facebook or is it knife crime? What do you care about? You're not stupid. You're not an idiot. And indeed, it is possible to transcend this hysterical, endless conflict between Muslims in the UK, gay people versus straight people.

1:40:36It's pointless. It's irrelevant. It's abstract. I care more about my dog dying than the horrors in Gaza. Because when my dog dies, I'm falling apart in grief and I'm coughing and I'm puking out. And that's how God made me. Of course, I should do everything in my power to prevent genocide and destruction and war and hypocrisy and lies. But I've got a lot of that in-house. And until I deal with that, I'm no good to anybody. I'm no good to anybody. Maybe people in London shouldn't be thinking about Israel, Palestine all the time. Maybe they should be thinking about how to run London themselves. How do you want it run?

1:41:11It's up to you. What, are you an idiot? Did you believe what they told you? Do you want to live in what they told you forever? Or do you want to take this precious gift of life granted to you by God or an unknown cosmic force of random molecular chance that somehow ended in your consciousness and everyone you love and grief and mourning and poetics and archetype and participate in it while you're here all too briefly unless you accept him, repent and enter into eternity through him. That's one route and yeah, we've got a book about that. Also though, you could be running your community. If it's bothering you at all, then the post Epstein file release era, we're still just like, maybe we should have this one or that one.

1:41:48What do you think? Look, we've been told they're mad occultists having sex with children on an island. What do you need to know? How much longer? How much longer? And I'm just so glad there's the footage out there of me on YouTube or on Bill Ma or wherever saying, hey, listen, Fox News is no worse than MSNBC or no better, you know. It's out there. I've said it on the television. And I'm saying it now. And I'm saying it now from a position of I recognise the position I'm in. I recognise my own fallibility and brokenness. I don't think I should be in charge. I don't think anyone should be in charge.

1:42:21They're all broken and fallen. The problem with representative democracy is on that little horse ride from their constituency to Congress or to Westminster, where 400 years ago, representative democracy at least had a rational undergirding as well as no obvious technological solution. It seems that other interests get in the ear of these people and say, maybe would you vote this way? Or maybe would you never say that again or maybe shut your mouth right now. And if we don't change that fundamental flaw, then you're going to live in an endless whirling downward cycle, a senseless spiral of their insanity, which we could intervene in with the one gift we know we have, consciousness, love, life, glory, inclusive of everyone beyond.

1:43:05It's not your job to worry about whether someone's a Muslim or a Jew or an atheist or homosexual. You worry about running your own life. Here, you vote. Do you want that? Yes or no? No. Okay. 67 % of people vote no. We're not doing that anymore. We want another vote. Okay. We'll have another vote. Not like Brexit, where just keep voting until we can do what we were going to do anyway. Not like every single general election until, all right, even Trump, even someone who seems pretty in themselves, eventually over time, and I thought it was a great post you did, by the way, like, you know, eventually, like, give him some grace.

1:43:34That was great. Like, even someone like him can be just turned into whatever they want. And then, like, the people that are ultra-conspiratorial, and I think probably closer to the truth than any of us, would say, we told you all along. It doesn't matter who you vote for. You're going to get the same results. Like, you know the macro picture. You know the geopolitical picture better than anybody. But I think the only way to do it is this thing that I'm starting to trust from being in your country. The American people are beautiful. They're brilliant. They're not full of hatred. I'm like down there in like the panhandle.

1:44:04They're not all like caught up in racism and bigotry. They just want to love their families and stuff. I saw a brilliant thing in my country, the farmer movement in my country is lively, eh? The people love their land. You know, John Bull. John Bull is like a British archetype. And like, they're getting into it. And it's kicking off, as you will be obviously aware, in Ireland. And like, I saw something on the BBC that said, like, in the countryside, it's too white. And farmers are too racist. And it made me laugh out loud. Because I thought, like, imagine being a farmer and the sort of graft involved, the jobs, the duty, the toil, the trial.

1:44:38Right, we've got to get up. We've got to plant those crops. We've got to till that field. We've got to feed those cows. We've got to get in there and cleanse that soil for next year. Then I have to stop for a while, burn some Korans. Then I've got to go, then I've got to shout a hate language over a hedge into an adjacent field. This field goes fallow. This one here, this one's for my bizarre rituals of racial hatred. That's my homophobia barn. Farmers don't have time. So they're telling you that people have got problems that they don't have. The British countryside's white because that's where British white people have lived for ages now.

1:45:13Like, what are you making people hate one another for? It's reached to kind of an absurd frequency. And I feel that I believe in him. He's real. So either I'll run for mayor of London and nothing will happen, or I'll run for mayor of London and go to jail, or I'll run for... But what will happen if people talk is the idea of, hold on a minute, Yeah, hold on. That technology, they're saying, will work for our digital ID. Wait a minute. That would work. And then we wouldn't have Dominion voting machines that might be maybe centrally corruptible and compromised. You put the democracy in the hands of the people.

1:45:52Open source it. The technology exists now. That's why dear Joe B. Weeks is on House of Representatives. You should talk to that guy, by the way. He was a Bitcoin entrepreneur. He did some mining early on. He got rich too quickly. The FBI just came, took all of his equipment, put him in jail. They've confiscated billions from this guy. he's under house arrest this day he's a waiting trial you should meet him so like we're in these areas the ingenuity exists the grace exists the righteousness exists the talent exists this whole country that came from like dirt and paganism and in 250 years is the most powerful and unprecedented and glorious nation in history which by the way I think it is Jerusalem now because if Israel was the original people and Paul says go to the Gentiles and our Lord says be a light to all nations and everyone will come from everywhere.

1:46:36I mean, it's starting to sound familiar. And all of these railroad entrepreneurs and all of these miners and this rich soil and the furriers and the trapeers and the banks and everything. And then all of a sudden it gets captured in a peculiar way that I don't quite understand. And it's got another agenda. This is the greatest country on earth. This could be Jerusalem, but that won't happen with current institutional biases. Don't you reckon if the founding fathers of your nation were alive now, they'd say, what should we do to implement the changes that are possible now as a result of extraordinary advance.

1:47:11Russell Brand, how to become a Christian in seven days. I think it's pretty obvious that God is using you and I'm going to your trial. Oh, good, thanks. October the 7th. You'll recognize me. Is it actually October the 7th? Oh my God, I didn't even see that. Yes, it is. Your trial is October 7th. Do you know what my friend said to me, he goes, what I know about the state and the kind of interest we're talking around is they do things preemptively. Like they think, right, if we're going to take this course of action, what are the potential obstacles in this reason? All right, well, preemptively, get rid of that one, get rid of that one, get rid of that one.

1:47:46That's the puff. I didn't realize, yeah, it's October 7th. I assume your pre-trial hearing is a 9-11. I'm just guessing. I don't know. Thank you for that. Thank you. We're proud to launch our new bookstore with Russell Brands, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. it is the message this country needs most. Find us today on tuckercarlsonbooks.com.