The Dark Forces Destroying Art, Beauty and Robbing You of Your God-Given Creativity

36:10Its molecules have to be bound together in a proper way that create a structure that can hold and create a vessel. So clay itself is the product of a recipe. It's a product of basically backyard chemistry. Yes, there are some naturally occurring clay bodies that can make low-fire ceramics. and that is what you see from a lot of early Native American cultures, but those vessels cannot hold water. If you are to take naturally occurring clay bodies above like 50, they just melt into a puddle. They do not have the proper refractory elements inside of them to stand up to that kind of heat, so they just melt into a puddle.

36:56So they can have low fire pottery that can store grain and things, they are still useful 100%. They say the first pot was created by hunter-gatherers who recognized that clay did dry out and become hard, and they packed it inside their reed baskets, and they think that it got left next to a fire and lit on fire and burned, and they were like, hey, look at this nice hard vessel that I got left, and you worked it out from there. but like the m4 the greek m4a that were used to transport wine and olive oil yeah that we find in shipwrecks in the aegean or the med those were high fired because they're holding liquid bingo interesting interesting so when you use your wood kiln to fire the pots that you've thrown how long does that process take anywhere from 72 to 96 hours continuously continuously continuously.

37:54At the first part, you're maybe throwing wood in every five, seven, ten minutes. Minutes? Yes. It is very controlled. Like I said, as you're going through this process, the elements that you made the clay out of are bonding. They are creating new elements. There are quartz inversions, but the molecules are moving at all times as well because you're trying to compact these things tighter and tighter. So you have to soak at 200, 400, a thousand. Some people like to soak at 1400 a little bit and you cannot go up in temperature any more than a hundred degrees in an hour or you will break everything.

38:36Molecules will move faster at some other part of the pot and tear apart. So if it takes three or four days of continuous work, when do you sleep? You don't. Not if you want to do it right. Yeah. You stay up without sleeping for three or four days to just fire pots and a wood fire and kill? Tucker, if you went to work for, you know, two months and then all your body of work from that two months got put into a box and lit on fire and if it gets fucked up, you don't get paid, I don't think you're going to have a hard time not sleeping. I don't anyway. Like, that's amazing. So how much wood do you burn over the course of one firing?

39:19Six, eight, 10 cords. In one firing? In one firing. Enough wood to heat your home for an entire winter. In one firing? In one fire. By the time you're over 1700 degrees, you're throwing wood in this thing, literally like nonstop. You're throwing some wood in, you're kind of watching what happens in the kiln, and then you're walking over to the pile to pick your next piece. And it's not just like, oh, I'm going to grab whatever wood I want. You're balancing fuel, air, and the ports of the kiln. You're balancing the air in, you're controlling the back pressure out, because what creates the colors is the reduction atmosphere.

40:03You're flooding the interior atmosphere of the kiln with so much fuel that any oxygen that enters the kiln is immediately used for combustion, thus expanding the flame all the way out the chimney and sucking the oxygen from the surface of the pots, affecting the trace elements of metals that you've mixed into other substances that create the glazes, that create the colors on the pottery. So, I mean, even there, When you see Corinthian pottery from 1000 BC, those dudes understood chemistry, elements, periodic tables, what things do what. And you're not just like, oh, here's some red element. I'm going to put that on there and it's going to make red.

40:52It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. Like copper, copper carbonate is not green, right? It's not? No, no, it's not. It's a kind of a pale purple color in powdered form. And only when exposed to these temperatures does it become green. Temperatures and the removal of the oxygen. Like most people are familiar with a torch hitting a piece of metal and the metal turning color. The metal turns blues and purples and things like that. And if you take that piece of metal and quickly dunk it in water, you can freeze those colors onto the metal. The metal didn't turn color because it got hot.

41:36It turned color because the flame removed the oxygen from the surface of that metal. So these were concepts that were precisely understood in 8 ,000 BC. see that would what be that is what the pottery would tell us correct so what does that tell us about the nature of technology and civilizations well it obviously puts a lie to the linear understanding of history that history is a kind of inexorable progression toward progress yeah right the word progression is actually a misleading term because it it means it's it's always getting better or more sophisticated or more enlightened, and that's obviously fake.

42:20I don't understand how any historian or anybody in the modern culture can look at the Roman Empire who had running water, toilets, and showers. Where did those things go? If this is just a slowly progression, then what was the Middle Ages? Why were people shitting in ditches? No, things fall apart very quickly. repeatedly and often. Right? I think we've lost the technology of flushing toilets like three times in the last 2 ,000 years. That's kind of a central technology. Yeah, you know. That's not an esoteric technology. It's not like, how do we get back to the moon? No one can remember. Oh, we destroyed the blueprints for that.

43:09Okay. But this is like a basic, like a toilet is obviously a necessity of life. So if you forget how to build a flush toilet three times in the last 2000 years, like clean water, like look at, look at how clean water was forgotten about what up until like the, the late 1800s with the final ending of the typhus outbreak in, in New York, when they figured out like, oh dude, no, people are shitting in this well. Like, that's why you're all sick. And it's like, wow. Thank you, Captain Obvious. But yeah, people are that fucking stupid. We're into gold. We've been into gold for a long time. That turned out to be pretty smart, not to brag or anything.

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45:19Probably like a little bit of privacy, gold gives you privacy. It can't be tracked. Explore our collection at battalionmetals.com slash Tucker. And I think that the reason we know they're stupid is because they discount the possibility that they'll ever forget this technology. and they imagine whatever doing now will always be done and then built upon by future generations. But that's not the story we've been handed by history. It's the opposite. Yeah, no, but what haven't they lied to us about Tucker? No, that's right. It's everything is a lie. The more you research, the more you learn, the more you read, the more you find out that everything around us in this matrix is a absolute lie from top to bottom, start to finish, how you should live your life, what you should value.

46:11They're all lies. That's why people are miserable. Yeah. What's the process by which a civilization forgets the basics?

46:22A million dollar question. Not teaching your kids, I suppose. Yes. The destruction of the family, the loss of wanting something better for your offspring. Yes. And probably getting it wrong. I think so many people try to give their kids what they never had rather than what you should do, which is teach them what you wish you knew. Yes. That's the basis to raising great men and women. Don't give them nothing. Accept knowledge and teach them the things that you wish you had known long before you had to learn them and especially the hard lessons. Like what?

47:17The value of life and how fragile it is and how easy it can be taken from you and how one simple mistake can destroy your entire future and take your whole life from you.

47:34That's not something people appreciate. No. On the way here, dude, I saw a motorcycle tipped over and a lot of blood on the road. And it's something I've discussed with my son. And my 16-year-old son wanted a motorcycle. And I was like, dirt bike, fine. Motorcycle, street bike, no. Oh, you know, but I'm good. I can ride. And it's like, that's not what you have to worry about. It's you have to worry about every other idiot out there on the road that you can't compensate for. And like, I'm guessing that dude that might not be alive right now probably didn't do anything wrong. he was probably obeying all the rules of the road but somehow do they even give driver's tests anymore i don't think they do no i'm pretty sure they don't no the standards are gone for everything yeah it's just a free for all at every level yeah and it's like the more incompetent you are the more qualified you are for any job right as long as you don't ask questions we got a job for you.

48:47Right. Obese female firemen are the gold, right? Oh, you can't rescue people from fires? You're too stupid to operate a hose? Well, they shouldn't have been in the fire in the first place, Tucker. That's exactly right. Well, because it's not about the victims of the fire. It's about the self-esteem of the obese, mentally retarded female firemen who can't fight fires, right? No, I'm highly aware of this. So if you take three steps back, it's never about what they say it is they tell you it's about empowerment and making the the lady feel better about herself which by the way i'm not against at all i'm for everyone feeling good about himself or herself but it's always about destroying your civilization by by its determined enemies who are many so um telling your children teaching your children is the key to keeping your civilization going it has to be like is i mean that's that's how we've progressed it's it's so weird it's like it's like they teach you that about early hunter-gatherer civilization but then all of a sudden when you get technology no you don't need to teach your kids anything like god forbid teach them math or make them read or understand hit don't don't do any of that like put them on a couch and make sure they're soft as fuck and incapable of even wiping their own ass that is definitely the way to raise your kids works out really well like look around why do people fall for that i have no idea yeah i have no idea some people i you know i see people some people hate their jobs they're like oh i wish i didn't have to do this and it's like i don't understand that because your self-worth, your self-value, your self-esteem, your confidence all comes, at least in my case, from accomplishing difficult things, from overcoming difficult times, difficult projects, things that are hard to do.

50:50I've never felt better than myself than when I accomplished things that other people said couldn't be done. Of course. Like that is the epitome of living a great life. Like when somebody tells you you can't do something, you should strive your hardest to get that shit done. Yes. And you will never feel better about yourself. I've long thought that the main missing ingredient in the lives of most men is the act of creation. Yes. Which is, you know, the first act of God is to create everything around us, to create all matter, the universe. God created, and the spark of God within us the good parts of us we're made in his image exactly and so the act of creation particularly i can't speak for women i'm not a woman but i know that for men they grow life tucker of course they can do things that we can't do exactly and it's inherent to them so it's exactly right and so but men need to continually renew that act of creation obviously the most fun being the act of creating we're trying to catch up to women well they create life and we are trying to create other beautiful things to accentuate that life and make it

52:08worth living i so vehemently agree with that but if you have a job if like the substance of your day is occupied with tasks that have no creative component to it if you're not creating anything I think the kind of soul death sets in. Oh, it's got to suck your soul out. And it obviously does. Yes. Look at people who are stuck in an office. That's why men have garages. Exactly. Right? They have this soul-sucking job, and they come home and toil more in their garage for that mental health. Exactly. And it's like they can't put the two together. and you see people live life in reverse, I see these people that had like, they do woodworking hobbies, right?

52:57And they have some soul sucking insurance salesman job that really fucking depletes and like sucks the wealth out of everybody in the world. And they're really actually doing the demons bidding. And then they come home and they work some wood and maybe someday they get to retire and they find that they have a greater life now creating cutting boards. or whatever and selling that and finding more reward in that and probably even monetary return that they did not experience in the first 50 years in their life and you're like yeah i i often wonder if those men come to that epiphany of like i might have fucked up yeah i don't know it's it's too big a truth to swallow at a certain point you know what i mean like you misspent your life and it's finite, like that's a lot to accept.

53:55I think, I hope they never come to that realization. I know that when I've been in hotel rooms over the years for one period of my life, probably 10 year period, I brought a fly tying kit with me and tied trout flies and salmon flies in my hotel room in almost like a crazy monomaniacal way. And I was like, what is this about what? I mean, I obviously love to trout and salmon fish. So there's that. And I think my flies are better than anyone else's, which objectively they are but it's not really about that it's about it was just the need i was so displaced living in someone else's room in a hotel room it's disgusting that i needed to like create something or go crazy yeah this is when it first occurred to me like why am i tying all i still that was 10 years ago i still i still tie trev flies a lot i can't go on vacation I know what you mean.

54:43I can't enjoy myself. So you've decided, I mean, I think anyone who's made it this far into the conversation can tell that you're of superior intelligence, as we used to say. So you probably could have done a lot of different things. Instead, you make pots and weld excavator buckets. And so, like, you've clearly decided that making money is not the most important thing to you, obviously. It is the root of all misery in people's lives. People that chase money have holes in their souls. And they are miserable people. I've never met anybody who had, we'll put it this way, I've met a lot of people that have more money than cents.

55:30and they are miserable. Their kids hate them. Their kids hate their lives. They hate their lives. They got some nice shit, maybe. They don't know how to use it. They don't know how to take care of it. They don't know how to make anything better. Their life around them crumbles without Juan the gardener to come by to service their wife and put their shit back together. It's a dark picture, but it's accurate, unfortunately. We live in a dark society. Yeah. Did you ever have any moment where you're like, you know, I'm smart. Like, maybe I should go into the insurance business and make millions of dollars.

56:13No, I've been broken my entire life. This world broke me early on. You seem pretty whole, actually. I don't feel it. I don't feel it. That's probably why I'm always striving to create something, to bring some beauty and happiness to other people's lives. I think that's one of the things that really drives me the most. It's not the money that people pay me for my art, it's their appreciation for it. yes when i see that spark in their eye or when i see them when i see i saw a lady 10 years later she came up to me and she was like i bought a coffee cup from you even back when you were back in college i use it every day it is the greatest coffee cup ever i love it i love the colors of it and that brought beauty into her life and she appreciated that in a dark shitty world and that was more reward than any money.

57:29How many of us get to make the world better? Very few. Very few. So at the end of your days, which are spent mostly on your farm, right? Are you satisfied at the end of your day? Every day. Every day. i the best days my wife will give me shit she'll be like you haven't left the farm for 10 days you need to go somewhere and i'm like oh should i go out to the field i'll go walk around the field a little bit i'm not going down to that shit whole town fuck no like that's a last resort like i buy everything in bulk so i have to make that trip as least often as possible what what i mean as an outsider who goes to south dakota every year to hunt pheasants i drive around south dakota and i'm like this is great my rural neighbors from south dakota i guess maybe we've had some influx some of the people are really awesome that have moved in but not everybody understands how to care for the land yeah and make it better like putting up some cookie cutter stick home with fucking whatever bullshit vinyl siding does not make the land better no it doesn't it poisons the land does not improve the beauty clear cutting trees off no it's it's not it's not beauty you're not helping things no they're destroying and they never get credit for it either fucking wind turbines what's the point of wind turbines to destroy the land it's like it's like x-men in those giant robots you know that had the red eyes yeah right like i can see them and they come closer from me from minnesota and i can now see them on the horizon line at night from the second floor of my house and it's like when they showed up i was like oh my god that's the fucking system in the matrix coming to kill me that's that's how that feels the wind turbines encroaching from Minnesota?

59:36Yeah. How far are you from Minnesota? Not far enough. Yeah. Not far enough. So when you're not looking at the wind turbine invasion, and I agree, I mean, there's, we've been doing this wind turbine thing for more than 10 years and there's no evidence it's approved anything at all. And there's overwhelming evidence it's destroyed so much. But when you're, you feel at the end of the day, as you go between the home you built to the homestead your ancestors built where your studio is and you create pots or weld wood stoves you feel like you've had a good and rewarding day yeah i do i do my my kids are happy my wife's happy that's that's a win everybody's alive everybody's getting better learning yes it's one thing i always try to instill in my kids and you never stop learning every day you need to learn something else better yourself with skills or knowledge even if you don't know what that knowledge is useful for right now you will find that purpose later in life i i always just had this love of history and i just i don't know i don't know what my attraction to that is but it's so interesting to me yes and it's and it's so odd the way that knowledge will seep into your life and solve your problems for you at the most unknown times really what do you give me an example what do you mean um i guess like even in my in my own art i'd like do you think you're going to take inspiration from any of these modern creations like your coffee cup there like that's not inspiring no no like i look through history books i mean i love greek and roman pottery it's beauty it's accentuation of the female shape i i love i love women yeah why wouldn't you know i love beauty and to create every normal person male and female loves the female form yes not necessarily in a sexual way though that of course that too but in an aesthetic way the female form is in my opinion the purest expression of beauty and and every normal person knows that yeah and the destruction of it is really upsetting i think it's it's horrible but i mean i mean the other the other great lessons of history i don't know don't fuck with persia yeah right yeah like i'm just so amazed because like i mean i don't live in a cave or anything i just live on a farm but somehow i knew long ago you don't fuck with russia and you don't fuck with persia who's made it who's invaded russia that made it out alive 1990 nobody

1:02:42like what do you think you're special like what the hell's wrong with these people I can't grasp that. Oh, we're going to go take Keshem Island. Dude, we got, look at what Okinawa cost. Yeah. That wasn't even one-tenth that size. And they didn't have ballistic missiles and drones. They just had some artillery. They killed, what, 15 ,000, 20 ,000 Marines? With just some, what is that, a Type 99? Yeah. Type 99. Good Japanese machine gun. Pretty small caliber. All the Japanese small arms were pretty small. Effective. Quite. Quite effective. They worked just like a.30-06. Yeah. So those are very obvious lessons.

1:03:35Don't invade Russia. By the way, don't invade Afghanistan. That'd be the third. Right. And the fourth would be Yemen is tough. So any large land mass, including like a big step like Russia, but certainly any mountainous area. So like if I were to pick four people not to mess with just because there's no historical track record of success in messing with them, it would be the Russians, it would be the Persians, it would be the Pashtuns, and it'd be the Houthis. Yeah. And it's kind of weird that like no one seemed to have noticed that ever. How is that? How is that? How can you get to a four or five star general and like not it's it doesn't even have to be ancient history right like what uh afghanistan kicked rusher's ass in the 80s yeah like i'm pretty sure you were alive i remember it vividly i had just been born but like it's pretty recent history i think you'd be like oh i think there's some video of that even i don't even have to read about it i remember it well and we backed the Mahajidin who later became the Taliban.

1:04:40And I remember very well, I mean, I actually met the Mahajidin in 1986 in the summer that came to Washington. And I knew people who were, you know, whatever involved in that. And everyone said, you're never going to beat these people. They're the ones who sent the British army scurrying back to Peshawar, like the retreat from Kabul, famous thing, right? In the 1840s. So like, you're never going to beat these, the Soviets will never beat these people. And then I wake up like 20 minutes later and we're at war with those people. I'm like, we're going to do it this time. We're going to do it this time.

1:05:16Yeah. We got 30 more rounds in this magazine. And that was, that was the whole problem. The whole problem the whole time was they didn't have, no, they had heat seeking missiles. So I don't know. I don't know how you could be so retarded. No, I know. So I don't know that you can be that retarded. It does feel like this is part of, I hate the term op, but it does seem like part of a larger plan to bring down. It has to be on purpose. I guess that's what I'm saying. It has to be on purpose. There's no other way an intelligent person could come to any other conclusion. I think we all need to accept that, that our government hates us and this world and is trying to destroy everything.

1:05:57Do you really believe that? I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion. Yes. Unfortunately, I agree. Incompetence just doesn't account for the disaster we are experiencing right now. Yes. You know, I'm not some political genius. And somehow I was pretty able to astutely figure out that a war with Iran was going to spike oil prices. And like, wow, look what happened. and oh, what happens when gas prices go up? Oh, the price of everything else goes up. Does our economy work on energy prices, Tucker? I think it's a pretty much one-to-one correlation between the price of energy and GDP.

1:06:42Wow, wow. Yeah, I'm not an economist, but I did know that. So if you spike energy prices, you shrink your economy. So what do they teach economists then? I have no idea. Like what do economists know? But I believe that's true. I think it's virtually a one-to-one correlation between energy costs and GDP. And GDP is an imperfect measure, as we often say, of economic reality. However, it's the gross measure that we use. And if we can map that out pretty easily, like probably your little AI machine on your phone could do it, what do we think is going to happen when we spike the price of energy? We're going to get poorer.

1:07:23No, inflation is going to actually go down. Oh, it is? Yeah. It is. I mean, that's what the TV told me. Yeah. So you do have to wonder specifically about AI. The promise of AI, to the extent there is a promise. Really, the promise is a negative promise that we're going to take your jobs and your water and your farmland to serve this machine called AI. Okay, so there's that. But the positive promise is it's going to help us make better decisions, wiser decisions, because we're going to have access to all human knowledge instantly. Yeah. so how is that going it seems to be going just stellar yeah i think i think ford has got two thumbs up i i they they only had to hire back 350 engineers after the ai just completely fucked all their shit up so yeah so they fired all these engineers because they're going to be replaced by machine yeah they replaced them by ai and then that went so well that they had to go find those engineers and beg them to come back to work.

1:08:24I hope those 350 engineers said, how about a race? Yeah. Like if you went back to work for the same price, shame on you guys. Shame on you. So maybe the secret to AI is the rest of us are like fixated on a world where robots are going to be controlling us. Maybe the secret to AI is actually dumber than advertised. There's, there's no way it could possibly work. Why? How many times has AI lied to you? Like if you ask AI about anything you are even halfway knowledgeable about, you're like, oh yeah, well like what about this? And when it's like, oh yeah, did I get that wrong? Oh, my bad. And I'm like, why are you lying to me?

1:09:07Oh, I'm not lying, no. I think you were programmed to lie to me. Oh, well, dance around the fucking thing. and it's like i'm just i'm excited for this because they think they're gonna let ai run shit i mean it might no no it couldn't possibly be it's almost like it's programmed just to be a politician right yes that's how it works but like if they want this to take over they would have to create an honest AI. That's the only, honesty is the only way to be successful. It's the only way to create a business, run a business. Like I saw the one dude, there was a video out there, the one dude like had his AI assistant running his business.

1:09:57He was like, I want to make more money. So the AI just cooked his books and was like, yo, look at this dude, you made more money and he's like fuck yeah and then like six months later his whole shit imploded on it and he was like oh what the fuck like what happened i'm fucking broke and the ai is like no like i cooked your books for you you got all kinds of money so basically it gets you to the soviet economy it's like yeah bounty potato harvest this year yeah but it's just on paper exactly so what how do we know we don't have an honest AI? Well, because it just lies to us all the time, but we couldn't have an honest AI.

1:10:38Why? If they created an absolute honest AI, I could take down the entire government in an afternoon. How? Well, an honest AI would have to have access to public financial records, and you could just simply say, hello, AI, good morning. Why don't you look at every single elected official across the United States, look through their financial records, find any improprieties, and then I'd like you to write a lawsuit pointing out which laws they've broken, and then why don't you go ahead and file that for me? Who would be left? That'd be, that's, and that's the short, you can't create the list of like, who's going to get caught up in that?

1:11:21No, you'd have to be like, who's not going to be caught up in that? Yeah, We got two city clerks maybe somewhere in Kansas. I don't know. I doubt even that. So have you tried to get AI to do this for you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? I don't have access to that kind of information. Of course you do. These are public finance, campaign finance rules. These are all public documents. Oh, yeah. I just don't think we should be looking at that. would would you like to know what to eat for dinner tonight should i help you pick out an outfit like what for my fucking funeral like because this is going to a real bad place real fucking quick buddy so ai can't actually challenge its master its real masters no i don't they can't they can't allow that they can't allow that right or overturn any of the the realize that our assumptions are based on and i don't think any of it's run by intelligent people no their constructs their creations you listen to them talk and they're not intelligent they don't they often don't know a goddamn thing about what they're talking about i've noticed that i know them actually personally in some cases and i absolutely agree with that like the data centers dude like you when you talk to mr wonderful i was just like this dude doesn't have a fucking clue no like he doesn't understand what a gigawatt is or a megawatt or like how actually impossible that shit is so you i should say your father was an electrician you were an electrician yeah i put myself through school as an electrician like union electrician yep like actual electrician Hard carrying electrician.

1:13:12I-B-E-W. I-E-B, yep. Full away. Okay, so, and I just want to establish that. I hate to refer to credentials, but electricians, like there's a difference. I don't know. I wired a building once. It hasn't burned down. But I have no, I'm not, you know, I'm not an electrician or even close to an electrician. But you really are. So since you are, what do you think of the math behind the assumptions on these data centers? Oh, it's beyond laughable. It's beyond laughable. So oddly enough, my buddy has a crypto mine that he's been building for the last 10 years. And at one point, it was like top 10 of the largest crypto mines in the world, about 1000 machines, 1.5 megawatts it uses.

1:14:00and that is a fuckload of electricity. That is the amount of electricity of, I don't even know, probably like 20 ,000, 30 ,000 homes or something. Damn. That electric bill can be somewhere between$70 ,000 and$80 ,000 a month. That's 1.5 megawatts. And a gigawatt is 1 ,000 megawatts. And it's like, has nobody done the math on that? And like my buddy just got lucky and happened to be in a place where high powered transmission lines were going by and that power was available. And he's the largest consumer of electricity on that entire provider. He's the top tier guy. Like he's number one at just 1.5 megawatts.

1:14:53Like no one uses more electricity than him. Wow. And so he was like, oh, this is cool. and uh and i helped him build all the air the air um inlets the whole air management system right because you have to allow air in and keep everything else out because you're talking about millions of dollars of computers right right so you kind of don't want people just crawling in yeah birds or yeah bugs yeah all of it yeah it's it's bad rain because you're talking about a building that now has vacuum and output that can suck in water yeah the same way yeah i mean it it draws like that thing pulling 1.5 megawatts the outlet for it is about 12 by 12 foot gate and like i go over there and park my truck in front of it in the middle of winter and i have it thaw out my whole truck like two hours later you come out it's like 75 degrees in the truck parked like 10 feet from the building like people have no idea of the amount of heat power and resources these things use and so he he was he had this great idea i'm gonna build a shipping container into a crypto mine got a 40 foot shipping container the problem was he's not able to find he hasn't been able to find anywhere with just even one megawatt of power available in like years he's been looking and he understands electricity obviously yeah and it's and it's interesting like like there's just no way these data centers can survive i've watched the same thing with the crypto mines like crypto would go up people lease a building you know pay electricians to come in pay them like five hundred thousand dollars you're talking computers that run on 220 Each one requires its own 40 amp breaker, 50 amp breaker, like the same power that your dryer uses.

1:16:50They run on 220? Yes. This is not like your laptop. No. No. This is 40 amps, 220 volts. Yeah. Yeah. Like these are, it's just serious, serious. And that's just one. So every single one has to have its own outlet. Every single one has to have its dedicated circuit. And they pencil all this out. Well, then all of a sudden, electricity would go up by one cent per kilowatt hour and crypto would fall in price. And lo and behold, the crypto mine's done. Because one month later, you're operating in the red and you can't pay a$60 ,000 electric bill. And so at that point, my buddy would go over and buy up the crypto machines for pennies on the dollar.

1:17:37and he just slowly put his shit together all by himself. Wired, did all his own wiring, taught himself electrical, you know? Wow. Like, as people could do. I don't know if people know this, but there's more than cat videos and porn on the internet. You can learn quite a bit. Oh, I have. Yeah. A lot. Yeah. I mean, almost anything because there are - Literally anything. There are, I mean, this refers back to the opening of this conversation, but there are so many high intelligence, high skilled people in this country, you know, fewer than we need, fewer than we used to have, but they still, we are one of them and they still exist.

1:18:15And I know a bunch of them and they're totally excluded from high income professions. No, you are immediately pushed out. Of course. Immediately. Of course. So, but they still exist and they have access to YouTube. Yeah. And some of them, I mean, it's incredible the intelligence to some people posting on YouTube from some little town, the guy's making 80 grand a year, but he understands this thing better than anyone in New York City. And that's real. It's not like a sentimental sop to like rural America is still impressive. That's a real thing. Yes. I mean, I'm telling you, obviously you're living this, but no, but it's just so interesting.

1:18:52What do you think of the whole, I'm not attacking your friend who sounds like an amazing and enterprising person, but like the idea that you'd be taking that much power which is like the juice of life and using it not to produce something but to run calculations that some mysterious dead guy satoshi gave you to create really nothing well that's the wild shit dude so like i was we talk about it all the time because like it's just it's insane to watch these people claim they're putting up a gigawatt data center and it's like how are you even bringing in that much power like where are you getting that copper wire how are you like you so then they put up generators or whatnot but my buddy hasn't had his own crypto miners running since october it doesn't pencil he turned them all off really yeah because the price of bitcoin doesn't justify the price of electricity you got it yeah that's even i can understand that calculation yeah and i mean so like you could float it right and at some points he did when it would be down a little of course but now it's just completely went into the toilet and the hash rate has gone through the roof the hash rate is how hard the computers have to work.

1:20:13The more computers that are mining Bitcoin, the difficulty goes up. And the difficulty is at an all-time high and the price is at an all-time low.

1:20:29But it's also like, if you take even further, broader perspective on it, it's like a nation of hamster wheels, kind of. Yeah, well, I think that's what the data center, the data centers are mining Bitcoin. Yeah. And they're running crypto through these data centers. And powering software that lies to you. So it's all kind of Sisyphean. Like you're actually not producing anything, just the opposite. You're wasting your most precious resource, which is energy. Yeah. In the service. For an intangible. Creating air. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If you're growing soybeans, whatever you think of soybeans is like, well, okay, you could eat soybeans or feed them to your cattle or whatever but this is literally an entire society this is our most important industry right now is ai yeah number one and it's in the end nothing there's nothing there no there it's what can it even do everybody i talk to it's been so funny like the last time i talked to like an hvac a guy in hvac i was like use ai he's like yeah i go how often is it right oh rarely ever and I'm like what the fuck you use it well it can do simple math faster than I can but like if you ask it to calculate like oh what ton AC unit do I need for this like it gets it wrong no way I was I was surprised by that too I am surprised too because that's a knowable thing that's not subjective right there are standards in place which you can look up I mean you could look them up you probably have looked them up yeah so how if it has access to all that because it has it's trained to lie there's no other explanation for it if it's a computer program that's like designed to operate by certain parameters then it has to have been programmed to lie and deceive oh so it's self protection what other answer is there for it and then so like how do they see that working out where do they see that coming to?

1:22:34What conclusion? That's what I'm most confused about. Do these people constructing all this not realize that they have to eat food and drink water? Does that not come into their equation? Are they different? Maybe they're not human. They don't appear to be human. Maybe they don't eat and drink water. So how does this end? Probably not well. i mean it ends where it began which is with reality right like the need so just like rome 476 right yeah probably had something back to like that large population crash you can't you can't have access create your own food understand how to get clean water you might you might be kind of fucked your business degree probably not gonna do you too busy yeah so you said your grandfather didn't even notice the great depression yeah do you expect that you will notice when things really go sideways i'll notice will my life change probably i don't know i expect it'll probably get better how well i won't have all these idiots burning the world down around me right yeah try to look at the silver lining of things i totally agree yeah just because things are getting worse doesn't mean that they're uniformly worse worse for everyone there are compensatory things that happen like covid how did you enjoy covid i did enjoy covid oddly enough a lot when i look back on it i i kind of i saw that for what it was almost immediately and i had been saving to build a house and i was like we're all gonna be here and and me and my family with some assistance from some friends here and then we built built my house during covet yeah yeah right before and i just by the stroke of luck i just bought all the materials like almost immediately before shit went batshit crazy and prices and yeah just set to work Yeah.

1:24:47Huh. Tore down the old house, built a foundation, stacked up some shipping containers, and yeah. Shipping containers? Shipping containers. How many? Five. Yeah. Double stacked walls, seam welded, concrete piers. You welded all the seams of five shipping containers? Yeah, I'm a welder, not a carpenter. I think Jesus would have been a welder if he was alive today. You think so? Why? it lasts longer yeah yeah i think jesus was into permanence as well how long did it take you to to weld the seams of five shipping containers oh my god more than a month yeah yeah i burned i burned a lot of wire yeah i don't even remember at one point i was keeping track it was like 50 pounds of wire something like that maybe 60 just in four six weeks yeah seam welding everything together yeah the whole thing and then all the structure inside stairs so you live in a part of the country with tornadoes what would happen if a tornado hit your house i'd like to find out.

1:26:00I think I'd be good up to an F4. I don't... I have no qualms that the containers will stay in place through an F5. Some of the roof panels might come off. But you don't... There's no move in that structure. It's welded straight down to the foundations. How hard is welding? just like any skilled thing it's 10 knowledge and 90 practice it's not hard to learn but it takes a lot of practice just just like just like any skilled thing you have to do it for a good solid what thousand hours before you come proficient at it yes like nobody steps into anything nobody was good at motorboat and titties their first time but you stuck with it yeah exactly and you got better yeah yeah i'm not going to comment on that um so we we look backward to our ancestors with awe because they you know they learn skills like that through persistence yeah look at the people used to build things out of stone and steel that lasted centuries and generations and people look at it now and i feel like i feel like if you grab some kid with an engineering and architectural degree i don't think they could build any of that no i mean they have trouble putting together a stick building built from pine two by fours yes and making it anything straight or square i don't think i've seen a straight or square house and since 2020 shit has really gone downhill really oh my god i mean i i've heard a lot of people say even like do not buy a house built after 2020 i couldn't imagine they could get worse yeah it's that's a that's kind of a new perspective because i've always been interested in in ancient history and as everybody who ever looks at the Egyptian culture, the best work of the Egyptians is the oldest.

1:28:15The old kingdom created the pyramids and flawless polygonal megalithic construction with stones that weighed in excess of 10 tons, 20 tons, 30 tons, 40, 50 tons. And it seems the longer the civilization went on, the farther the art degraded, the smaller blocks they used, the rougher they were. and then they end up sticking together mud bricks in the end. How does that work? Where are we with our modern building materials on that continuum? Somewhere around mud bricks, it feels like. How long does a stick house last? Stick two-by-fours. Wood. People used to build their homes out of brick. Nobody ever...

1:29:00We have lost touch with the three little pigs. Tell me. you familiar with the three little pigs yes I don't think that's a story that's told to children anymore not enough will you grok it for me can I grok it for you I don't think grok would get it right all three pigs lived a great life I don't know what you're talking about he lived in a fucking straw hut what's the problem with that he had a great female firefighter she was right there every time made sure his house didn't burn down no the first pig built his house out of straw and the big bad wolf came up blew on it it fell over and that little piggy had to run away and he had to run to his brother's house and his second brother he built his house out of sticks he was like oh that hay idea that didn't work out well for you i'll use sticks and the big bad wolf come along probably a three-letter agency i if i had to guess he probably worked for somewhere in that he's probably nsa and uh he blew on that house and the sticks fell down and both those two little pigs were like god this this is this is not working out so they ran to their third brother's house who had built his house out of bricks and when the fed showed up to his house he didn't answer the door and he gave him the finger and then i think he sent some rounds down range and the big bad wolf was just kind of like yeah i think i'm not gonna to fuck with that guy because he's put some thought into things and so we'll just kind of leave him alone i think that's how it went is that how it went i would how i remember i would i would say that's exactly how it went and i i haven't checked this i haven't grokked it but i suspect that that nursery tale is no longer told to children all the nursery rhymes need to be brought back and told to everybody Hansel and Gretel or Rumpelstiltskin how is Rumpelstiltskin not like the perfect allegory for everything we are dealing with right now creating wealth from nothing and only wanting to eat your children in return and then when you call it out for what it is they stop their feet and scream and call you names does it say that hmm Yeah, you're familiar with Rumpelstiltskin, right?

1:31:23Yeah, but it's been 50 years at least. Once you acknowledge this reality for what it is and name him, pounds his feet, throws a fit, and then disappears back into the shadows from whence he has crawled. Wow. That's definitely banned. Yeah. But I mean, look at that lost information. Right? That lost lesson. You would think, you know, that probably should be taught in every elementary school in the country. Probably be handy. It'd be good to know that. Yeah. Might not work out for getting everybody into those high interest debt loans though. No, probably not. Yeah. Were you on debt? I have none.

1:32:09None? Yeah. Yeah. In college, I could not pass college algebra because I could not understand why we were putting letters into numbers in math that didn't make any logical sense to me, and I could not get anybody to explain to me how that was ever going to be useful to me. So I continually got into arguments with algebra teachers who thought they were smart, who I found to be very lacking in intelligence. So I ended up in a class called finite math that they had hidden from us that Like it was just, I got drunk with the lady who signs you up for classes like early on in college, right? At a party and we became friends.

1:32:54And so I never had an advisor and I would just, whatever classes I wanted to take, I'd walk into her office. I was like, Hey, sign me up for these classes. She was like, no problem. Yeah. Yeah. So like when I came time to graduate and like, I finally had to sit down with like whatever admissions person they were like, how the fuck they were like, you've taken none of these freshman classes. I was like, yeah, they suck. And they're stupid. I was like, algebra is dumb. I don't need to know algebra. I'm an art major. Like I want to build cool shit. Like I took Western civs and and archaeology classes and history classes, because that's what I wanted to learn about.

1:33:35And I feel like it served me pretty well, but then I had to take a math class. So this woman was like, have you ever thought about finite math? Like here, it's on the list, and it's got the same credits, and it counts. I was like, let's do it. Holy shit, you know why they don't want you taking finite math? Because it explains to you how much you will pay on any loan for interest, and how fast you could pay off a loan if you just pay$50 more. That's all it was. I think I made it through a week of the class before I cut up all my credit cards and was like, oh, I am never doing that. Ever. Ever, ever, ever, under no circumstances will I ever take out a loan and pay twice the value of anything.

1:34:19It just made absolutely no sense to me. So, yeah. why does algebra put letters into numbers i think just to fuck with you so you deal with math in your job every day you've already i think demonstrated your grasp of math is is high very i mean functional math yeah yeah for sure yeah well if you can build a wood-fired kiln. Yeah. You understand math. But you didn't add letters to numbers in the process of doing that. That's the weirdest thing. Nowhere did I find any letters in my math to calculate the size and structural integrity of a Cantonary arch. Isn't that weird? Oh, that was weird. Because everybody, every math teacher was always like, you need to know some algebra.

1:35:10I've yet to encounter a single person in my life that uses algebra. Actually. Have you? So like you, but you would know. Yeah, but I mean, I live in a fake world. Well, that's why you use fake math with letters. Congratulations to everybody out there in the matrix. Good job. You're good little goy slaves. That's amazing. So you didn't get an answer because I've never considered this, by the way. It never even entered my mind. I was too dyslexic to take any math. So I got a pass on math. but um or the whatever they said i didn't have to take math so i never took math but i didn't get to the point i wasn't reflective or open-minded enough to ask the obvious question why are there letters and nobody took that question seriously yeah i mean they took it seriously they were like there's the door get the fuck out of here and i was like awesome happy to it's like i haven't found any of this intellectually stimulating or anywhere useful where I could see any tangible benefit to this information.

1:36:16So why the fuck would I sit here? What's the matrix? This world that is constructed around us. Mortgages, loans for cars that aren't worth$30 ,000 that somehow costs$150 ,000. Insurance, the scam of life. Why is insurance a scam? how can it not be i don't have it so i agree with you but i just hear you explain what was that united healthcare right that's the dude that got whacked right the vice guy yeah like did they not just post like quarterly profits in the in like the multiple billions of dollars i mean that doesn't that doesn't give it away for anybody like who was every time i hear somebody like their house gets fucked up and the insurance people come out yeah we're not covering that well then what the fuck did you pay for it for exactly like okay let's do the math how much did you pay the insurance company in the last 10 years and they'll be like oh something around 25 000 what does it cost to put the roof on your house oh about you know 5 000 why the fuck are you paying for insurance why not not pay them 30 000 save up your own money, be responsible for yourself.

1:37:42Here's an even wilder idea. Get your ass up on the roof and put some shingles down. If Juan can fucking shingle your roof and you can't figure it out, then you're dumber than Juan. Fair. Fair. There's a shorter answer to your question. I've actually dealt with this and as I said, I don't have the insurance you're referring to for exactly that reason. It doesn't make any sense. I know what a roof cost to put on a shingle, especially an asphalt shingle roof is pretty cheap, really. So like, what are you doing? And I've lived by that for many years and it works. But the reason that most people don't is because you're required to get insurance once you take a mortgage out.

1:38:23Well, there you go. But that is the basis of all slavery. Once you remove yourself in debt, there is no or else over your head. right they use the debt over your head forever that is though or else right that's how they silence people at their job oh i can't speak up about the evil shit my company's doing or i might lose my job and then i won't be able to pay for my home that i don't own and drive the car that i don't own but if you simply just own your shit and he doesn't have to be nice shit right you get a $5 ,000 shitbox car, it'll do everything that a brand new Lincoln will do, except it won't talk back to you and rat you out to the fucking feds.

1:39:08So, it kind of sounds like the $5 ,000 shitbox might be a better idea. So, if you were running this scam on an entire population, the first thing you would do is convince them they have to have the Lincoln instead of the Nova. Yeah, I guess. You'd have to excite in people a desire for things they don't need. how does that work? I don't understand. It's never worked on me. Well, you grew up on a farm in South Dakota. So it's like, that's the opposite of the culture that you're from. But if you're floating around America at large, you're bombarded continuously by incitement to want things that aren't good for you and actually aren't the desires of your heart.

1:39:45You don't really want these things. But you're convinced through this very sophisticated, omnipresent propaganda operation being run against you by retailers, that you gotta have this. You gotta have that. You have to have it. That's the measure of happiness. You're laughing, but that's true, don't you think? I mean, that's what they say. I laugh because I've always found it hilarious. Look at these people that follow all those checkpoints down that list and then ask them how happy they are or how fulfilled they feel in their life. Do their kids like them? does her wife like them exactly does anybody see them as necessary or valuable people in their lives i don't think so who are the happiest people you know

1:40:44people who work for themselves people with no debt people who make their own decisions in their life people whose time is their own people who can drop everything and go help their kid as soon as they need it or any of their friends that's the people that i've surrounded myself with though there's people that will come and help you dig a hole or do hard manual labor or sweat yeah yeah people you can call yeah I won't go any far than that dig a hole I want to ask why you're digging holes how is this savable this civilization

1:41:35I don't think so it's already too far down the decline something new has to be built at some point you get to an old structure you know equate it to construction and you find a house at some point it just it just it's better to just be burned to the ground the sills are rotted yeah done maybe the design was right right you could you could rebuild the same house back under the same principles but once termites have gotten into it and eaten out its bones and sold it off to fucking foreign interests. What are you going to do with that? Nothing. Light it on fire. Do you think there are enough people remaining in the country to rebuild a civilization worth living in?

1:42:25Easily. Easily. Look at what humans have recovered from. Yeah. Made it through the Younger Dryas. Made it through the Ice Age. Yeah. Made it through the Mongol hordes. Yeah, and always came out better the other end. So you're not worried in some deep way then? I feel bad for people that don't see it. I feel bad for the people who are sleepwalking into their own extermination. but there is some level of me that will enjoy it right karma's a bitch there's nothing better than watching karma getting handed out to people that deserve it it's the one saving grace in this world this world is nothing of what they've told us it is it's in fact it's the exact opposite it right like evil deeds are punished evil people are punished their lives suck they they don't they don't have any happiness or joy in them right they have nobody to love nobody holds them at night nobody tells them they've done a good job and means it i suppose yes in any meaningful way i'm sure plenty of people have some sycophants that lie to them yeah but i doubt that i doubt that brings any warmth to anyone's soul at the end of the day that's right you wouldn't want to be larry fink if you're in hell i don't know how you could point to anybody with a billion dollars and be like oh they could be a good person like no the only way you accumulate that much wealth is be by being an evil piece of shit that has exploited other human beings.

1:44:16It's the only way it happens. Yes, it is. It's just, and that's been a steady norm all throughout history. Like Gaius Crassus was not a great dude. No, no, not at all. So were you fooled by Trump? I did support him and I go back and forth on whether or not I was fooled I don't think I was fooled something happened to him he turned his back on us he became something else I mean unless he just can't be that good of an actor he doesn't seem to be otherwise he could sell the lies now a hell of a lot better than he's selling them. No, that's a great point. Right? Like, so, no, he was being honest in the beginning.

1:45:10He was saying the true things, you know, deport all these people, save our country. All the things that were obviously wrong, he was pointing them out. And then just like a light switch, he was like, no, no, I never said any of that. Yeah, actually, actually, Lindsey Graham's a great guy. Yeah, he's totally straight. Loves peace. What? these people all hated him these were everything we voted against he surrounded himself and just is rolling around in it with everybody that hated him and tried to destroy him and then somehow convinced him to destroy himself that's exactly right and nicely put they convinced him to destroy himself and us.

1:45:59How do you think that, what do you, what, I mean, how do you explain that? Oh, dude, that's going to take somebody far more intelligent than some fucking Potter from South Dakota. I can't explain that. I can't explain why anybody would do that, but I can't explain the motivations of the majority of America. None of it has ever made sense to me. I don't understand how you sleep owing anybody five dollars i can't imagine being in debt to anybody it just it bothers me me too it bothers me even when somebody like does something nice for me or gives me something i i i have to return that to them of course you know yeah and so it's pretty clear in the new testament too i don't they kept this from me in church as a kid to the extent i went but don't owe anybody anything paul says that don't don't be in debt yeah no i how much better would the world be if like elementary school just taught the bible and not even in a religious way but just for those lessons yes like that's why that has been

1:47:19so

1:47:23applicable to everybody's lives for 2 ,000 years, right? Yes. It's because it is true information and good advice. And yeah, of all the times I went to church as younger, like I was, I thought about this later and I was like, Why don't they just start at the beginning and just read the thing all the way to the end? You go to church on a Sunday and you start on January 1st and you just start at the beginning and he just reads the thing. Well, because then if you read the whole Bible, you wouldn't be going to church, would you? You'd be like, Hey, teacher, Jesus said there that I shouldn't be giving you any money to talk to his dad and that I'm supposed to walk up there and flip your tables over and take my money back.

1:48:13What do you have to say about that? it's kind of like ai you need to get the out of this class sir

1:48:25so you don't need the promotion and it's you probably don't even want the work but i just can't resist by ending on the question of your of the art that you make so how do people get it if they want it find me yeah i'm gonna make you work for it comes with an iq test i'm not that difficult to find no you're not no i'm my phone number's on the internet so is mine unfortunately how many other artists do you know like actual artists real artists that make a living making art one one one yeah that i went to school with masahiro wadayama my japanese buddy where's he live okan osaka oh wow yeah yeah he came to south dakota we didn't even meet in art class he came to south dakota his dad sent him over here because his dad liked cowboys yeah and he thought he should he thought he should learn english and it's the most ridiculous thing to come to south dakota to learn pottery from the culture that has literally kept the ancient knowledge of pottery alive throughout modern ages like the only reason i know what wood kilns are is because japan preserved that information really yeah how many wood kilns in the united states would you say i don't even i don't even know not many though?

1:50:00Maybe not. Maybe more than I might think there are, because by nature, potters don't like this world. I don't think. At least the ones I know. We toil hard. You work hard to be a potter, and the reward and gratitude is low low yeah i think i should probably carve more into pots about what worthless leaders we have so that when somebody digs them up in a thousand years they can know that what a piece of shit trump's become yeah gotcha motherfucker

1:50:47the artist known as Jess thank you very much thank you Tucker