The Most Canceled Man in Comedy: Exposing Hollywood, Defending Racist Jokes & Overcoming Dark Forces

29:33You only tell the truth. Like they flatter him. Yeah. I mean, people tell me you're the reason I had a kid. I'm like, I'll pray. I know all praise to God. That's a protection. Yes. Because if you're the reason for the good, you're also the reason for the bad. Fair. And it's like, we're not gods, right? So it's like, that's the road. Like that's a horrifying road. And so many people like narcissism is that. It's like truth comes from their emotions. And that's why you're seeing so much lying now. Yeah. Can you explain that a little more fully? Yeah, like my motto is I might be wrong, but I'm not lying.

30:04Yes, it's my motto also, actually. I love that. Dude, one of the most amazing things I saw you do, and this is not flatter, this is just a fact, is when you said you were wrong about the Iraq war. Yeah. Because it's rare, though. That establishes truth is outside of you. Yes. Yeah, that's rare. A lot of people, they're like, I might be lying, but I'm not wrong. Right? Yes. They're like, oh no, it turns out that was all wrong, but I was still right because it's me. Like I saw that in physics because I had a physics podcast at Caltech with my buddy who's a nuclear physicist. And dark matter, I couldn't stop laughing when I realized it.

30:42So they have these gravitational equations. And when it wasn't matching anything, they said, oh, there's dark matter. And I'm like, what's that? They're like 95 % of the universe, you can't see or measure. And it's like most of the gravity. And I'm like, how do you know it exists? they're like i swear to god they're like because if not we'd be wrong and i'm like so you can't measure it they're like no dark matter but it's there i'm like how do you know they're like because if not then this is wrong like vox day published that he probably did a book of breaking down the math of evolution is so bad because he's like one of those super geniuses vox is a great guy and uh and it's so bad like the actual math of it like how you know just read the book probability zero it's like it's like the like how long would it take for things to permeate like a mutation permeate to the actual population and when you see how completely ridiculous it is i think they have trauma where they're like well it can't be that or else like i put a square on my head and brag to everyone and I, my life is a lie, right?

31:51Like the guy that changed your oil is actually smarter than you. Oh yes. Well, that's, that's when the shame kicks in where they're like, I called all these people deplorable mouth breeders. I tried to eliminate their population and it turns out like they're way better at things. Yes. When I found that out, I was like, wow, these guys are great. Right. It's like, that's the difference. It's like, you might feel some pain of pride. We have to make some phone calls, right? Cause I've been wrong about a million things me too but it's like thank i like being wrong because i'm like oh it's usually better than i thought always yeah exactly and it's such a burden lifted oh because you don't have to pretend i hate when it's out yeah because when something's wrong out there it's like rippling out and i'm trying to help people not ripple it out right it's almost like a disease yes and you're stopping the spread yeah stopping the spread you know safe and effective which is another claim that they couldn't walk back because their pride hung on it imagine but the spell is safe for who and effective at what yeah exactly yeah the assumptions is how they get you know the more honor-based anglo-saxon germanic type cultures you know it's like what can't be that no one's that crazy right right we don't like ask the follow-up question it's too dark.

33:08It's too dark. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the chutzpah culture, which can be very funny where it's like, you'll never guess this loophole I figured out, you know, we can redefine a word and get all these free pencils. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, but that's like the way I like to describe it is, uh, there's two ways to win a race. You either run faster or you get the other guy slower. Yeah. Right. It's like my house is now nice because I blew up the pretty house. Yeah. So most people don't wake up in the morning and decide to feel horrible, exhausted, foggy, disconnected from themselves, but it does happen and it happens slowly.

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34:55Right. Yeah. And it's a behavior. That's why I don't isolate it to one identity. That's why I say like grappler or something. Yeah. Because I see it in all populations. Yes. I actually think it's a trap to say that like all evil disseminates from one group. That's like one of the classics, the identity trap. Yes. Because I see that with like a lot of the white guy stuff. I'm like, no, I don't want to be defined by like, we need more of an arbitrary thing, but we're still just going for greatness. It's like, right? Like I see that with like, yeah, it's of course, but so many people are falling for this.

35:27It's like, oh no, we just have to get all whites. I'm like, no, we need all competent, good moral. And if there's more of one group, that's fine. Right? Of course. Well, it's absurd. And it's exculpatory. That's why people love it. Cause it's like, I'm on the winning team no matter what. I was telling that to one of my, like, I have an Israeli listener and we're laughing. Cause I'm like, you guys remind me of American Indian tribes I grew up with where it's like our nation right or wrong. I'm like, that doesn't go well. No, it doesn't. Because you have to go for greatness or else it becomes very, you know, you can't trust each other.

36:02And he was laughing. He's like, it's so true, man. It's like very tribal, you know? I'm like, dude, all the natives I know, they're all like, they're drinking mouthwash, man. They're not doing great. No, I shouldn't laugh. No, it's true. I've been across my whole life. Like these are like close friends of mine, some of the best athletes in the world. And then they just start drinking mouthwash. And I'm like, dude. Yeah. Yeah. But that's despair, right? Yeah. That's what, yeah. Because you can always get out. and so so you wind up with the um you're you're taken in by when you say the neocons like news organizations websites like yeah like like the like the more daily wired crowd and knowles and all and powder and all those guys and i still have a soft spot for knowles i think it's pretty you know knowles i like those yeah me too yeah it's just the the ben shapiro's eyebrows really i mean it's just been getting a little intense very yeah are those real i don't think so yeah prosthetic eyebrows i've never heard of that that's some dark trolling yeah no like imagine just putting i mean he never had those eyebrows and now he has them like you don't just grow eyebrow more eyebrows no no and the thickness of them unless there's like some kind of propecia or something unless someone close to him is putting roguene on his eyebrows yeah that would be pretty funny though no it wouldn't shock me but it's the whole thing is weird.

37:20So you wind up in that world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, because I was so happy that they were willing to say the things that Hollywood wouldn't say. Yeah. So yeah. Like seeing Crowder prayed a meal, like blew my mind. I was like, cause I was just like, so into that gratitude. Cause I love that stuff. Like in Hollywood, I even texted Vaughn this morning about, uh, he was the one being like, have kids. And he made it funny. And that really motivated me, you know, because there's no voices in Hollywood telling people to have kids. It's always get a bigger house, have more sex partners, you know, get a bigger deal, have a better car.

37:57And Vince is like, baby, you got to, you got to start making accounts. Stop pulling out like a coward, you know? And I'm like, okay. And then every Father's Day, I'm like, dude, that was so cool. You did that. Really? Vince Vaughn convinced you to have kids. Yeah. Because it was always there. I just, I like strong paternal leaders. Like I'm not, I'm not this like hyper. It's always me guy. I like teams. I'm real big on like a guy I can look up to. Yes. And so that's why in a world without heroes, this swarm hates heroes. They hate inspiration. That's why they don't like architecture, right? Yes.

38:32Because it makes you feel hope. You're like, oh, wow, that's beautiful. Tomorrow will be a better day. They're like, oh, we got to, we got to burn that down. Yeah. Literally. And it's sad, right? It's like, that's why I don't, it doesn't get me angry now because I'm like, imagine, like I see my kids, they can have like one bouncing ball. They can have so much joy. And I know people, and I'm sure you do too, like on a giant yacht on all these designer drugs being praised and they're thinking about jumping off the yacht. Yes, I know many people. And they get, and if I was going to defend them, I would say what they're thinking is I've done, I've sacrificed so much.

39:11I've worked so hard. I've humiliated myself. And that dude on a pontoon boat is so much happier. Yeah. Why? Right? And then they get mad at God. And that's why that's that fractal where it's like, God is wrong. And so once I started realizing that the grand plan is the good plan, all these like little things started not scaring me, you know, and I'll have stresses and all that little things like being bankrupted. Yeah, no. And then like to continue the story. So after that, things got way crazier. Really? Yeah. After you got rescued by the Daily Wire crowd. Yeah. When I started being like, yeah, because I started seeing that certain identities can be liability shields when you're selling opioids, you know?

39:52Yeah. And same with the sex abuse stuff in Hollywood. I was pointing out people and I didn't even put it together. And someone called me an anti-Semite. And I was like, what do you mean? That's like, I didn't even think about that. That's why I did. I did a whole tour called height supremacist. Cause I was trying to, I was like, I could do that with height, right? Like, Oh, only, you know, hail Heitler and stuff. And, and, and so that comedy, you're six, eight, I should say that for people who can't tell. And so I was like dramatizing that, like I could do that with anything. Like, no, I'm talking about the behavior, right?

40:25Like, imagine if it's like, Oh, you're just mad at five, 10 guys. No, it's a behavior. And so, and so that I get kicked off PayPal. I get kicked off Airbnb, like in my Airbnb. Yeah. Because they want to take out your, um, your income. Oh, so you had a rental property. I had a rental. Cause that, cause I'm like a, uh, like I just keep going. Like I'm pretty upbeat, you know, it's like, oh, I can't tour now. So I'll do tree work with my brother and I'll rent out this house and we'll fix it up and we'll learn about construction and all this stuff. and so I got a letter from Airbnb that that you know I couldn't be on anymore because I was mocking the victims of sexual assault the joke was so the me too movement comes out and I do a joke with dramatic irony where I'm like yeah so I'm in LA and I go there's one of these parades and I'm like ladies you might want to think of a different slogan then and it's like well what do you mean so I do this long drawn-out thing and I'm like pound me too and so the whole joke is I think it's a pound sign and the joke's on me like i'm the dumb guy right yeah so they said that i was mocking victims and i'm like no no they're laughing because this me too thing is like using them for their agenda exactly like i'm making fun of the wizard and the wizards are the ones that get mad like the people that hate conspiracy theorists are conspirators right it's so simple it's like man i'm sorry i just have to i just because i don't know people watch these on double speed i just want to i want to repeat what you said because it's so worth the people who hate conspiracy theories are the conspirators yes that is so good it's so true too why else would you hate conspiracy theories it's like man this conspiracy theorist i'm like you wouldn't happen to be currently doing a conspiracy would you i don't know why that's never occurred to me this now The IQ gap is becoming very healthy.

42:19It's not even IQ. I'm just always around kids and animals. So am I. Well, animals at this point. That's so... Sorry, I keep interrupting you. No, I love it. So how long did you remain in that world, in the Daily Wire adjacent world? Well, I was like writing for Crowder for a while. And yeah, it was more like they would start getting weird with me when I'd ask questions about why we're not hanging on the moon. I'd love to go up there one day. It's like those things. Because I realized that it was, that's their sacred cow, you know? So Hollywood has abortion and all that stuff. And so I'm like, no, it's just, you're tolerant of all that stuff.

42:58Like I said, Barack Obama stole my bike. And they're like, oh, that's clearly funny. The left, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, but I just did this joke about the size of someone's hat. And now you're offended. I'm like, oh, so you have a, you have like a team. I'm like, I almost felt like a middle ages executioner where I couldn't live in the village. you know i'm like i'm not on any of your teams man i i can't because as soon as i do i will lose the tether i can't be a comedian yes like the comedian and i'm not against politics i understand institutions they they have to maintain that they can't be like me like i i just roam you know yes and so i respect i learned that over the years where i respect how like you know religious institutions political institutions they have to maintain their order yes i can't be in one of those because of as soon as I see something, if I don't like do the joke, then I lose every, like I lose the whole thing.

43:52And so I'm like, I'm just going to be like in the woods picking up rocks. But okay. So at what point did you decamp for the woods to pick up rocks? Well, the whole time I was slowly just, oh, that's a funny story. So we go to where my wife's family is. And that's much better. Cause I learned the lesson. Don't do stand up where you live. Right. Right. Fair. Yeah. because I didn't know I'm like oh this will be my job and now I'm like the whole thing is family so I have these kids I don't want them to be like Owen Benjamin's kids yeah I'm like I want you to like have great relationships with everybody and because a lot of times it's not even people that are offended it's just power freaks people out you know where they just will look at them and be like you know how can I you know I just wanted them to have their life yeah so I just stopped doing, I didn't do any standup in that area.

44:41I will profile and that's great. And then COVID kicks in. Right. And so from the beginning, I mean, I did a joke about Ebola in 2017 where I was like, OJ Simpson's killed more people than Ebola. Like I'm just doing jokes like that. Just a little fear. And I'm not a virologist, but I'm like, guys, I have 16 friends that have died of opioids. Can we ease up on the strange African situation? You know, I'm like, despair is killing everyone, but sure let's watch outbreak again like this is ridiculous and i know a lot about mind control stuff and uh that's why i wouldn't give one inch you know with the mask i wouldn't wear a mask and again it's like apologizing for a joke they're like just wear the mask like come on and i'm like that's that's the start of it right that's the dehumanizing start and then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing right it's like that that star trek episode like how many lights and he has to say the wrong answer remember that one of course there are three lights and he was about to get rescued and they were trying to create this thing of despair and so i was like in in that area where my wife is from was like very bougie type people that was like everyone was wearing a mask you know and we had a community of like like-minded people and they were fond for all of it and i'm like guys like you know because i from the beginning i I thought it was to cancel the Olympics.

46:02I'm like, maybe it's a debt thing with Japan. Like I never thought it was a valid thing because of how it was being presented. Yes. You know, it's like you get a free vax with donuts. I'm like, that's not a health thing. You know, I'm like, Bill Gates, you don't want to take health advice from a guy who gets awards for lowering the world population. Yeah, fair. And that's why people, that's why I got so to platform because these simple questions just annihilate these spells. Like you're born gay. I'm like, so there are gay babies and that alone everyone's like think about a gay there's no gay babies like that's a crazy thought and so then you're like oh maybe it does have to do with like grooming and trauma and all this stuff and then you start and then you start being like and you don't need to be defined by your sin and then work on it like imagine if i was a cookie like a like i'm a cookie guy right like i can't stop eating the cookies right it's like they're saying your sin is good and that's your identity Yeah.

47:00Yeah. Cause I make fun of how you should have pride, pride in it first to the deadly sins. And I wasn't a hypocrite. Like when guys talk like that about women, I'm like, that's like, you're like a gay straight guy. Right. When it's like, Oh, I just got another chick and this chick and this, I'm like, how about you start like a, like a legacy, like children. I'm like, that's not good what you're doing. Like that's an indulgence, right? Yes. Yeah. And that's why a lot of gay people privately are like, I like that you're not, cause a lot of them are motivated by how hypocritical people can be where they're like how dare you gay guy but yet they're like you know using women for sex as if they're nothing and and like throwing them away and all that stuff and so the fact that i was just like i had a principle a lot of gay guys were like man i just i i like that you're like that because they were seeing that they were being used by target and all this stuff and and so it's so interesting behind the scenes how many people are actually not mad it's like this illusion yes i totally agree i've experienced that my whole life yeah like they'll i mean they called me a racist for you know i don't know a decade or something white supremacist i never had a single black person get up my face never not one time in an airport sidewalk never one time it was only angry white ladies it was interesting and you begin to realize like i don't know i'm not an expert on like black public opinion but no one's ever not one time that's the that's the devil's joke it's like i became more racial because of black rooms like i i didn't want to talk about race i want to talk relationships dogs piano like yeah yeah guy and i do cleveland 90 black on a wednesday where there's like gang gangsters there and if i showed weakness i was dead yeah so like i learned that and then i learned like the the humor like if you make like i've made fun of gangbangers for having diamond earrings calling them princesses they're dying laughing we hang out after they're telling me white people are created on an island and so we're like laughing right like there's nothing there and and then these like white ladies are like oh how dare you like they're they're actually dehumanizing black people they're like they don't understand jokes they're like you give them a banana and a pat on the head no it's so crazy and i thought i was going crazy i'm like they don't understand they don't they literally can't have driver's licenses this is too complicated they don't understand layers they're simple people give them a rhythm yeah because you're robbing you're robbing them of it and dude a lot of black comedy is the funniest because it's like it's got that honor aggression to it yeah what's it wait Can we define that honor or aggression?

49:45Yeah, like you're attacking weaknesses in others versus like attacking beauty. Right. You know, it's like, yeah, look at this dude. And then you're just like, you know, like, who do you think you are with these pants type thing, right? Because you're attacking vanity. Yes. Yeah. And so I relate to that. That's why I would relate to some like Middle Eastern culture because it's a Bedouin thing. Same with Scottish people are like that too. Exactly. Right? You've named some of my, the cultures I feel most comfortable in. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, because it's like your herd will travel. So you have to carry yourself properly everywhere you go versus just a square that like daddy manages.

50:20Right. Yes. Yeah. Because like, that's how hurting cultures survive is like your honor, your word allows, or else it's constant war, you know? Yes. That's why like comedians have to have honor culture because we travel and it's like, you have to have your word with the new people or else you'll not be able to make them laugh. And so, yeah, I do like, I just get out of El Paso. I'm like making fun of Hispanic crowds. I'm doing that. And then I'm just getting these lectures from these ivory tower buffoons. And so my thing was not just yelling at them, you know, because I would get, I would be like, you're so wrong.

50:58It's infuriating. You know what I mean? It's like saying that this is an elephant, you know, it's like hiring a mechanic and then lecturing them and then your car explodes and then blaming them and then kicking them off YouTube because your car exploded. Like, it's like, what? And so this whole time I have to keep building alternatives because I'm now off PayPal. So now they're like, oh, why don't you just rent your own theater? If you don't have CAA anymore, I'm like, great idea. And then I'll just sell tickets myself. PayPal kicks me off. I'm like, why? And that's why they had to get me off Twitter and stuff first because I couldn't tell like they didn't want me to be able to tell the villagers so I mean I I've seen this happen to other people not really as comprehensively as it happened to you my audience was so big and I was so early that they were like this has to stop like immediately because I wasn't political I was like a child being like wait a minute you know and they're like that's the thing that actually can dismantle stuff because if you come from a tribe um people can just assume you're just doing it because exactly exactly and it was like almost impossible with me they're like you're just doing it for clicks i'm like i can't even get clicks right i'm like i'm not on youtube and that's why it always backfires because they they kicked me off youtube like years ago now i i probably wouldn't even get they've like opened it up more you know are you not on youtube still not on youtube yeah i did my own ladle.tv nine dollars and 11 cents a month never forget no because i had to they're like i've done went down roads where i was getting kicked off server farms and stuff it got yeah and that's were you calling for violence never once no like they would put in writing like it was the me too joe that's why they stopped even saying what it was because it would be so obvious like barack obama stole or another one was uh david hog can't tell me not to have guns.

52:55He can't grow pubes. They said I was sexualizing a child. And that was what I got banned from Twitter for. Meanwhile, that child was trying to change federal law. Well, yeah, because I know liability shields. They're like, they use children to try and do their thing and say, you can't attack a child. I'm like, and my whole thing was, you're not a man. Like, you can't grow. If I'd said chest hair, they would have said I was sexualizing a Chester's like, they have to just demonize, demonize. And so my whole thing was like, why are people believing this? And it's because they just wanted, they were dependent, right?

53:29They just didn't want to lose that drip. And so that's why I think guys like us have been kind of set free. It was like, don't throw me in the briar patch. And I didn't know it at the time, but like, I've realized that I didn't lose everything, you know, it's like an illusion. and so then it became like don't let anyone but you actually did lose everything you lost every world i got kicked out of a gay bar yeah imagine it's like oh you can't beat our gay bar anymore and i'm like but that's the only bar i know i mean i'm not pumped everyone's gay but that's my you know johnny's in the corner in the jukebox you know wham i'm not a big fan but like i'll dance to it and then they kick you out and you're like oh my god i can just go somewhere out i go to another bar where they're not gay and then i realized i don't want to go to a bar right because that's the that's the trap that's why the despair i'm always like guys they're doing an illusion it's wizardry like they're not winning because it it's the wizard of oz like you it's this big illusion and it's not real you know that's why how did you okay because i had to i had to yeah no you could have gone crazy you know i love my wife i love my son like i felt duty yeah that was it because i think about that i'm like because that does sound pretty cool like that i did that but it's like and i'm not that guy i'm not like the guy that's first on tiktok i'm not that like ambitious with the new thing or anything like i just i can autistically focus on piano scales and comedy and it was because i couldn't let them down and that actually gave me a lot of love because i was like i was a bit nihilistic never disparaged but i didn't know what i deserve but my son i was like, he's good, you know?

55:11And then I was like, we were all that. Right. And then I started, my life started changing. I was like, I'm not like a virus on the planet. Like I'm not, you know, like we're like stewards of this, but like all the, so many biblical principles I saw in reality happening. I'm like, he's good. Like, and as he kept growing and then my other sons, I'm like, they don't start bad i'm like he's not hurting i'm like and so my protect i'm very protective of others yes way more than myself me too and uh but i've learned to be more protective of myself like i'm feeding my dog organic food and i'm eating goyslop you know it's like and i'm like why i just spent more on my dog's food i'm like because i'm the guy that's trying to protect i'm like but we're good too and then i i just i that's what did it and i i am smart and and work hard So like, because I was motivated by loving them, I could just innovate, you know?

56:06Because if it wasn't for that, I would just. But how do you continue to think clearly and not become obsessed with hatred toward the people who are oppressing you? The community that was forming around me too. Like people that I was meeting that were so cool. Yeah. You know, like I'd be at these Hollywood parties where everyone's famous and everyone's just trying to find a drug or something. And I'm like, I'm seeing these musicians. I thought music sucked. and I'm meeting these musicians that are awesome. They just are fixing cabinets or they're like normal guys, but the art didn't die. And then I realized after being kicked out of theaters and clubs that comedy can exist anywhere.

56:42And I was starting to see that the world's, I'd still get pissed off. The thing that would piss me off the most are despair guys. As I'm trying to help, they're trying to tear me down. I'm not just going to go at a guy for being a sad little gay guy or something. Right. But if I'm trying to rescue a drowning guy and they're like, he's drowning him, I'm like, you have to stop now. I'm now attacking you. Were people doing that to you? Yeah, and I thought it was just going to be the left with eight speed. And then I'd see people like a Nick Flentes or guys like that, they secretly go at people that try to inspire.

57:23Explain that. Because people sometimes would wonder, why are you attacking him? you know like what are you are you a jew are you a secret jew you know i'm like no he's spreading despair like he's saying fuenteses yeah like that having a family's gay don't work out you know and then he would like come at me and like make fun of me for saying get goats and grow a tomato you know and i'm like man like stop with that because it affects people like people that look because you'll say base things like fuentes will be really funny and like yes you know jesus and all this that. Yes. And then he'll be like, yeah.

57:59And how hot are like cats? And I'm, you know, I'm just like, dude. And so that would bother, like that bothers me. Right. Why do you think he does that? I don't even want to know at this point. I just, I don't know. But you think it's an intentional and maybe not just him, others too, but like. It's a behavior. That's what, that's where I'm at now is I'm like, I don't know who gives orders. I don't know what it is. It's just like God made a mistake. Yeah. Right. Like it's, it's victim consciousness. It's like, I deserve more than I currently have. Yes. That's all it is. And it's like, whether it's, you want to be taller or less gay, I'm just kidding.

58:39You know what I mean? No, no, you may be right. Yeah. And that's why in the book, I talk about the primary lies that lead to the rest of the lies. And so like, you're okay who you are. Like God didn't make a mistake is a fundamental because that belief allows people to believe all these other horrible things and so that's one reason I don't have hatred because everybody including people that can be annoying to me as I'm trying to do my work I'm like you're only doing this because you think you're not enough but I can't fix you with a funny song you know what I mean yeah I'm like you're okay you know because because I'll like do a joke making fun of like short guys getting shot out of a cannon or something right and like there's a type that's like and i'm like dude you're enough man i'm trying to release the stress so i'll do tall jokes you know i'll make fun of being tall and it's like and trying to help that and and that will usually help with like insecurities identity all that stuff and it's like some people are just like they double down double down double down or they're like no i deserve more and i would see that in myself and that's when you really grow where you're like, I deserve to be on this platform.

59:45Like they wronged me. And then I started being like, well, they built it. I didn't build YouTube. You know, it's like, I was a guest on there. And I started getting like way more humble than I normally am because that was how I was surviving. You know, and then I'm like, well, I'm American. I'm gonna use a post office box, right? That's ours. That's our, and I got really into the post office. Come on. No, that was my sacred cow. Like when people would make fun of the post office, I'd be like, how dare you? I'm like rain, rain and sleet and snow. They're delivering them. Cause I'd get thousands of letters, right?

1:00:20Because they couldn't censor it. They couldn't censor reality. And so I was like, I'm protecting the post office. And that's so absurd that my secret cow was, it was like kind of funny, but I was like, I'd really get mad if people had attacked the post office. I'm like, FedEx has terms and conditions. They can search it. but the post office is the last pure thing yeah and it was found it was foundational it's like it's so important that people can just write a letter with a cheap stamp you know now i communicate with mail And think about if everything just collapses, which it like has to at this point.

1:00:55I mean, the lies are it's Tower of Babel. Yeah, of course. It's like, imagine if people have, during COVID, I said, no, 10 people within 10 miles. I'd give people actionable things. Like, no people, just like know your neighbors, right? Like know where they live and be able to say hi, like borrow something, work together. Like, because one thing I learned about being in rural in the country is people are an asset. where in the city, like they start thinking, look at all these people, they're crowding everything. Yes. People. Yes, that's right. And where I live, it's like, yes, a person to help me dig this insane ditch.

1:01:32And then I was like, oh my God, we can make anything. And it was just a very beautiful thing. So you go from, you're living in your wife's town, her family's town. Yeah, and then COVID happened. And I would like have public, I would try to be funny about it. You know, mass are for criminals and perverts. which one are you lady like stuff like that but i would get i didn't want another hostility thing i'm like is my wife's town like i'm not going to be the guy because i wouldn't ever wear a mask i'm like then before you know it like they figured this out in like camps and stuff it's like how you break somebody hop on one foot like let me just put a little patch on your eye a little every yes is closer and closer that's how sin works right yes that is true and if i was innocent it would have been okay.

1:02:15Like people that thought they were scared to wear masks. I don't think it affected them as much, but I knew. Exactly. Yes. That's why a lot of people that feel guilt. I'm like, but you didn't know though. I did know it's a burden sometimes where I'm like, I know what the mask is and I know this psychological thing. And if you didn't, like you thought you were helping people, which is actually fine. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. But like, so we go to Idaho because I had done a show in Sandpoint and I love the people. And I started looking at areas that weren't wearing masks because I was like, this probably has low debt.

1:02:50What's the connection? Right? Because I think the debt causes the fear, right? Because there's going to be a percentage of the population that doesn't want to wear a mask. They're just not. I know a ton of people that don't care about colds and stuff. Like, I don't. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like they don't wear seatbelts. Like, that guy's not wearing a mask. You know what I mean? And so why is everyone wearing a mask? is because they don't want to lose their job because they have a mortgage, because they have kids in college, because it's that whole train. And so when you reverse engineer it, it starts with debt, with interest, because you have to pay that with the job and you're convinced you have no other abilities in life than this one thing.

1:03:26And so if you see people without a mask, they're probably productive and not in debt. And some people with masks might actually believe it, which is fine, but I needed to see a percentage. And so I saw that area and there was just these 10 acres with a barn with a little corner apartment. And me and my whole family just moved there because I couldn't afford a house without debt. Because when I got kicked off Airbnb, I had to sell that house. So now I had money, right? Like it's all a blessing. So we go there, you know, and now we can have cows. We had alpacas and goats. Wait, I just find, if I ask you to pause, it's interesting that as you get deplatformed and basically take all your money away, take your source of income away.

1:04:09You've got less money. Yeah. But you're more committed not to taking on debt. Yeah, because I saw that was why, because I was like feeling very betrayed. Yeah. Yeah, and so I was like, why is that guy, like, am I so stupid that I thought all these people were awesome? And they're like, I'm like, they're just lying because I know myself. Like, I don't have the hate they were saying or else I couldn't do comedy. Right. Like, if you're mad, someone said, I think it was Norm, you can't do an impression of someone you hate. Yes, that's right. Yeah, because it's like you're trying to dig at it versus the empathy required.

1:04:43It's so true. It's so true. It's so true. I would always tell my reporters, you can't cover anybody you hate or you're sleeping with. Right, right. Anything that obscures your vision to that extent, the motion makes you a bad observer. Yeah, and I had to constantly do self-checks with that because for me, it's just the work ethic thing in me. I just don't want to fail at my job. Right. Because if I hate it, like, it's not funny because I'm like trying to do something versus just letting things happen with comedy. Like the moment is the important part. So you realize the people who betrayed you, betrayed you in part because they were in debt.

1:05:17Yes. And they were servants of larger powers. Yeah. It's like what traps a lot of soldiers. It's like, I want to defend my mother. Right. It's like, it's like these good instincts. Like I want to provide for my family. I have to pay this thing. Blah, blah. And so my thing was like, live way under your means. And then you're like totally free, right? Because I'd see these people that, like one of my best friends up there drives a concrete truck, you know, just hourly wage, has like six kids, totally happy. He just like slowly built his house, owns his little piece of land. Like you can totally do it.

1:05:50How is he happy with an hourly wage? Don't you have to be rich to be happy? Right, exactly, that's the scam. What do you mean a scam? The scam, the spell of money. It's not even money, it's currency. It's like money is gold and silver. in the constitution, right? So it's like all these word swap outs, like money, legal tender is not a dollar, that's a debt note, right? And if you can print the token that says you're a good person and you don't have control of printing it, then it's a rigged game. And so if you're accumulating actual wealth, which is trust, that's why it was called a bank and trust.

1:06:27Trust is wealth. When you can have that fluid economy me where you know you'll have like you can just quickly move and change and grow without having to constantly validate every line of every contract because you don't trust each other that's what creates uh poverty and so i'm looking at what i consider wealth which is like land like you know morality children respect and then and then craftsmen can just build these beautiful things that in la would be like a billion zillion dollars you know i'm like that table that you just made with like a chainsaw and polish would be like nine grand to like a gay LA guy.

1:07:05Yeah. Like literally I thought about it. I'm like, should I bring this stuff to LA? I'm like, I don't even want to go back. But like the, the, the amount of wealth from skills was insane. And so I'm having this like, and meanwhile, online people are like, oh, he's a cult leader. That was the whole thing. It's like, it's a cult. If anybody supports you when you're not in the mainstream, it's gotta be a cult. I'm like, why? Cause people like me. how were you still reaching people well i like what are the mechanics of continuing to broadcast when you've been canceled to this extent i kept just making new accounts on instagram and stuff like i'd just make a new account i'd get up like the number would go up they'd wipe it i'd just make another account people at all that it built the community and i didn't realize it because they'd all be like how are we all going to stay in touch for wherever owen is next so they start meeting each other like that it all backfires so then i make my own app the bertari times app where we just build our own app and and it's ironic because i have more censorship than anywhere it's just the the right censorship there's no swearing there's no arguing there's no like it's just the good the true the beautiful it's like family businesses i'm like that's what censorship should be it's not censoring the truth about a spell you know and so people join there and we start having meetups all that's why they called me a co-leader because people are actually meeting up with each other and we're having a good time physically physically i said because i kept reverse engineering wizard spells i'm like they want to make reality digital let's make digital reality because it always goes both directions interesting yeah what are the mechanics of that like what does that mean it just means like where did you meet we would just have meetups we would so during covid right in the beginning i saw how they were shutting down all the clubs all the theaters that's why the the best revenge is just god's revenge just let it happen yeah like all those comics that were calling me a man of hate they were a lot of work that you know it's like all the clubs cancel like everywhere that canceled me they all were shut down for like two years and that's when i was like i can't do that like that's just the natural cycle of god's like plan will always make it way more revengey but it's not like bitter you're like whoa right that dude that sold out, I'm like, the devil hates his servants.

1:09:23Like you can't win that game. The devil hates his servants. And it's not about agreeing with me at all. It's about like, are we both attempting to find the truth, which is outside of our own will? Yes. Yes. Right. And that's the distinction between a narcissist and a normal, healthy person is do you acknowledge that the truth exists outside of you? Yeah. The truth remains constant no matter what you do or say. Yeah, like we don't decide the truth. We can like have a subjective, I understand why people say my truth. It's like based on my upbringing, my interpretation of the elephant as a blind man, right?

1:09:57But like, it is like, we didn't make it. And so narcissism even is a coping mechanism of trauma. So like, I couldn't hate them. I'm like, why are they like this? You know? I agree. And it was because of like, you know, I can't let myself get too like sympathetic where my nervous system is like, I want to help you because then you get trapped. But my empathy is like, oh, it's just really important to be good parents because somebody made you not trust the flow. Someone hurt you. How did you get so emotionally balanced? How did you get this much perspective? I'm going to tell my wife that and she will laugh.

1:10:32I'm going to be like, Tucker, ask me how I got so emotionally balanced. I don't know. No, no, but it's funny because she's so much. I just know a lot of people who've been through variations of what you've been through and they don't arrive where you arrive. It's funny. Maybe because of my lack of balance in the moment. Because that's funny because of like, I can go in all directions. Yes. I think I allow myself to do that. I don't create the scar tissue so I can actually stay stable because I just allow myself to like feel something and then like go through it, you know, versus like holding onto it.

1:11:06And then, you know, that's what narcissism is. It's like, how do we create a delusion bubble to justify this thing that I have to hold on to? Cause I'm afraid. Yes. Yeah. There's fear at the center of it. Fear at the center of it. Yeah. Because imagine if you're like, you know, there's truth and there's force, right? There's like, if you have a, so, so someone comes in your room at night and beats you up randomly, you have to start thinking about how to control them. Right? Like when you're very young, you're like, this world is vicious. I have to control things or else I will be hurt. Correct.

1:11:39Versus like, what did I learn from that beating? How do I grow to like be right? There's two roads. And so I'm blessed that although my childhood had its challenges, uh, I, I'll always give respect to my parents for allowing me to have like a safe enough feeling where I didn't get that scar tissue, you know, because that's, that's awesome. Just cause I look at people and I'm like, just let it flow, man. It'll, it'll be okay. And they're like, whenever I let things happen, and I feel so much pain. Like, but they don't know it anymore because they're calloused, you know? They can't feel it. Why do we call narcissism after narcissist?

1:12:15Like, it's self-love. It's not self-love. It's not love. They do the same trick with the gay stuff. That's why I like that you say sodomy. Yeah. Because love, you know, like, we become friends. I love Tug. I love him so much. I'm going to encourage him not to engage in sodomy, right? It's like, that's not love. That's a compulsion. That's an act. Yes. Like, love. Like, there were signs I saw that's like, Love is love, and that's supposed to justify deviant sexual behavior, and it's deviant because it causes damage. I can define it. It's not because it's not me. It's because it causes damage. People can't consent to a level that they should or the two males, they're reliving trauma.

1:12:55I have male goats. The sodomy is not love. It's about dominance for a goat because that male is going to impregnate everybody. It's like prison stuff. And so love is love. No, it's lust is not love. Yes. Because I have lusts, right? I've had lusts. It's like, that's not love. I mean, love, sex can be very loving, but it's kind of like gluttony and healthy eating. It's like nobody, the great Norm McDowell, my favorite standup of all time, he said, nobody's ever said, I want to make love to your ass. So true, it's not loving. No, it's not. And so I didn't even see it until it went to the kids. That's when I was like, I see it now.

1:13:36It was like the they live glasses. Because before I was like, yeah, because I don't like bullies. Yes, I agree. So I'm like, who's going to tell two gay guys they can't have a good life? Because I was thinking they were the bully. And then I was like, and then I started experiencing marriage. And I experienced what the male, female, bring in child. I'm like, oh, that's not marriage. They just want a discount at like a department store. Like, what is this? And I'm like, and you're not helping them by saying it's marriage. Yeah. right? Like to say, oh yeah, that's marriage. No, it's not. Marriage is about creating life.

1:14:08Like even if you don't create life, like you can be married and not have kids together, but like that union is like the most special thing in the world. Yes, it is. Yeah. It's like the three with you have God, man, woman, man, woman, child. It's like this beautiful thing. And I'm sorry, it's not going to come out of an ass. No, I know. And I know that sounds comedically vulgar and that's when people get mad, but it's because it's so honest. Yes. And vulgarity comes from vulgate, which means of the people. And a lot of people can't afford to speak in that erudite way where no one feels anything.

1:14:38Where it's like, oh, someone can indulge. They speak in a way where you don't feel it. Yes. Versus people have jobs where machines are loud and they're stressed and they're like, they just say it as fast and as clearly as possible. Yes. And it spikes emotion, which is good for comedy. I'm not going to say any big words here out of respect because I don't want to spike anyone's emotions. right but in my craft of comedy that is it's like it's like a note on a piano like that will help me do a joke because like words have a charge it's just electricity it doesn't have an intention it's like in spells they call it a sigil where you charge a logo like like a nike swoosh you put all these images to it so when people see it they feel something yes and words are like that too so you have this raw energy is released with a word and every culture has a different word you know Think about it.

1:15:27There's languages we don't speak. And if you say that word, right? Oh, I've done it. Yeah. Or they think it's super funny. I have Russian friends. It's like, It means blue boy, blue boy, we don't want to play with you, which is like gay boy. And I don't know what it meant, but my Russian friend had me figure it out. And they'll die laugh because they know I have no idea what it means. But in their world, that would cause... I'll give you an example. in college, I go into this dude's dorm room and there's a giant swastika on the wall. Right. And I'm like, who's going to tell him he's like a Brown guy.

1:16:00Right. And it turns out it's like a Hindu symbol. So it's like the swastika is in like every culture. It's like a big dipper going around Polaris. And he's like, Oh, Hey, my friend. I'm like, dude, you've got a swastika on your wall. And he's like, Oh yeah. The great, you know, Shiva, whatever it is. And I'm like, Oh my God, that would mean something totally different to Ben Shapiro, right? It's a charge. Like you've been programmed to feel something with that. And that's why different cultures have different words. Like, and I'll let from my culture, that's very blue collar is a step up for most of my friends, you know?

1:16:35So it's like, these words don't cause this reaction. Right. And so they'd be like, how dare you? I'm like, I don't, I don't know where you're from, man. I'm trying to be nice. Like, what's the word I should say? And then they're like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't know either so like that's why the comedian discharges this this stress yes so that's why i will use a very intense word because i'm like let's let's figure this out discharge the stress because uh wizards need that emotion like use a word like imagine telling alex jones he's not a patriot like like that would work on him he'd be like no patriot are you kidding me i saw male vitality like he gets so freaked out by that because he's like patriot patriot right right and he would not get mad at like i've done this to him he has a great sense of humor which is why i i like like hillary clinton's not he's not allowing you to have a proper erection you're gonna need he dies laughing because it's like that's what i mean i'm like just riffing with him and so like for him that word would mean a lot so like let's say tolerant like you tell a certain person you're not tolerant they'd be like i'm like tolerant the t word right and so because it's charged in their world like tolerant is like you have to be so tolerant in my world that's called permission, right?

1:17:45It's like, you don't get to violate my space. Honor culture. Yes. Yeah. Can you define that, honor culture? Yeah. It's like, it's kind of like, it's like the boundary issue is a big cultural divide, where it's like, tolerance is, this is why I had a hard time at first with forgiveness, so I turned the other cheek stuff, because I viewed it as codependence and permission. Yes. When it's not, it's just, it's, forgiveness is more about yourself, and it's the broad, It doesn't mean you permit the behavior, but you're forgiving. You're releasing it from yourself. Exactly. And that was huge. Because I used to be like, forgiveness.

1:18:23No, you don't let these people. And so a lot of that culture does not like boundaries at all. So it's like whenever there's a boundary, something sacred to somebody, they have to cross it. Because it's like, I don't make fun of people's religions directly. It's like, if you tell me something's sacred, I will respect that. Me too. know that it's a, if it's CrossFit and you don't know it's your religion, you're about to find out. Right. Cause it's like an idol that people are developing that don't, but if someone's like, dude, this is sacred to me, I'm like, no problem. Like sacred to me, as long as someone's aware of it, but, but a lot of other people like that other culture, it's like sacred means hit it like beautiful, right.

1:19:03Family, like cross those boundaries. So an honor culture is a culture that takes those boundaries seriously. Yeah, private is very important because in the honor culture, it's God, man, government, corporation. There's a hierarchy. And there's an inversion of that where it's corporation, government, man, and then God is money or dollars, right? So it's completely the opposite. So the corporations rule the government, the government rules the man, when in reality, that isn't it at all. The government is the management of man's declaration to God's... Yeah, you obviously know all this. And it's like, so you can see it so clearly.

1:19:44And that is what I learned just from trying to do stand-up comedy. It's like, that's why I'm so hopeful, oddly, is because just committing to what you're doing, because it's prayer to do anything good, right? Yes, I agree. Yeah, it's like a carpenter, someone working at a gas station. I used to be a janitor, and I would take so much pride in that thing that I don't even care about. It is prayer to do anything good. Yeah. So there are all kinds of, throughout the Bible, all kinds of commands phrased differently, but all with the same message, which is pray without ceasing. There's a famous one in Paul's epistles, but there's a bunch of them.

1:20:19What does that mean, pray without ceasing? How can you go about your daily life? How can you earn a living? How can you feed your children if you're constantly in prayer? And maybe that's getting toward the answer. It is a form of prayer to do something good and beautiful. Yeah, because a fish doesn't know it's wet, right? So a lot of, I think, Americans and certain Western cultural people don't realize what it's like to not have respect for the good, the true, the beautiful, symmetry, beauty, something that exalts the soul. And so if you're contributing to that, that's prayer. That's worshiping God because that's outside of us.

1:20:54That symmetry, that thing that just shows you the laugh of a child. Like when I was showing you the pics of my camp or like the farm, you're like, so many people would be like, dude, haven't you heard of a grocery store? Like they don't see it. Where it's like the perfection of a tomato growing with a hundred seeds in it that can grow 10 ,000 tomatoes. Like to me, that's prayer. Or the paths you built through the woods. As a path builder, I appreciated yours are way nicer than mine. But the care you took to build paths, walking paths through tree growth through the woods, that, I mean, I don't know how long that took you to do that.

1:21:31But that was variant. Those were not, they were more than utilitarian. Yeah, no. You weren't just clearing brush out of the way. Yeah, no, I've just, I act like if I get down or if I feel, you know, things can be stressful. There's so many lies happening. Like there's psyops constantly. And it's like, we joke that I have to toil. Yes. Because if I'm building something beautiful, I feel hope immediately. Like I just start feeling hope and I'm sweating. And that's in the Bible. That's why I keep telling people just to have a garden, even if it's on your windowsill. You know, it's like, because it says, you know, so many of these metaphors are about, you know, wheat and chaff and goats and sheep.

1:22:08And it's like, you know them by their fruits. Like think about tasting someone's wine, like Thomas Jefferson or these guys, like you taste wine. you have to run like a an awesomely moral society to have the vines grow and time it with the wood the wood maker has to make the barrel and the and not and having the impulse control to not drink it right away and so you taste the logos of it right so so it's like the wine represents same with the bread that's why because i went through a period where i was like i don't flesh and blood this sounds a little dark and and then you realize in context people were actually eating people at the time.

1:22:45And bread is like the flesh of all creation that like man can with God's creation make something so beautiful. It's like, don't eat people, eat bread. Right. And same with like the blood is of the grape becomes the one. And it's like, I was like, oh my God, it's actually awesome. You know? And so I got really into like, I have grapes. I don't think I'd make very good wine yet, but I'm working on it. So you wind up, um, in Idaho. Yeah. Buying this spot, this little farm. And how, how do you keep working from there? How do you do that? Well, this, I just, me and Vox started on authorized.tv. We keep getting kicked off payment processors.

1:23:28It's this whole behind it. To this day? Yeah. We've gotten better at it though. Like there's been a release a bit. I think that because that's the thing it doesn't take a lot of people to to push back to not even to do anything to them just to say no like the real n-word is no right yeah and so so if there's just because resistance in a light is what makes the light you need that resistance like what what stops what kind of slows down the voltage releases the light so so we're just we just keep saying onward you know it's like we get no one's having more fun than us right it's like persistence is fertile like just build it like I keep flipping all these slogans and we just keep rocking and things just keep falling into place so I I get kicked off a payment processor again so stressed out one of my buddies the guy was making fun of for the jazz awesome guy he's like let's record an album because he's a sound genius so I record a classical album we put it out it goes on the billboard for like classical music people are like can you teach me I start teaching piano know so it's like that starts being my job for a bit where i'm just teaching piano i'm still doing podcasts and comedy and i'm just like it just kept working out and i'm like this is flow like this is what i think people mean with spirit where did your wife have faith the whole time yeah yeah like times when i was spiraling like there'd be times when i was like this one time so i have this this farm and this orchard and these animals and i'm working so hard and i feel like i'm protecting my family and that can even be an idol right because i'm for sure that's a hard one to see oh i've had this yeah and so i'm getting a legal you know they're doing some some stuff and i'm like oh i could lose and so i'm getting down because i'm like i won't be able to provide for my family and amy's like we used to live in the corner of that barn we could live in a van and she's like you wouldn't have to milk the cow anymore and i'm like she's i'm like you would and And I think this is why I'm emotionally stable.

1:25:25I will say the things I think guys bury. I'm like, you'd still love me, you know? And she's like, Owen, like, I don't love you for your pear tree, you know? And I was like, because what I loved was my family. And so all these other things I think are protecting, but it's just fruit. And so as soon as I made that shift where I'm like, oh yeah, we could have a whole adventure with something else. And then like the darkness like went away again. It was like all these things that are threatening me, like something opens up. And it's like, I mean, that happened. They were sending CPS to my house, right?

1:25:58Which is like my, every father's complete nightmare. On what crowns? Not like the most absurd lies ever. Like this is like a lot of the darkness type vibe. They use institutional weakness to, yeah, you know. I do. So, and I get it. I have a bunch of people and friends in law enforcement, like just a claim anonymously, like they have to look into it. But now, I now realize how much of a non-threat it is, but I'm not aware of CPS. I don't know how CPS works. I'm not from that world. And so just the threat of that, I start pacing. I'm stressed, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And dude, I prayed so - The threat of having your children taken away?

1:26:38I mean, come on. I still remember that prayer. Actually, it was on my knees praying. And the prayer was like, just give me the strength. And my wife just kept going, but you're a good father. And I'm like, I know, but what if? And she just kept going. but you're a good father. And I'm like, but if they, and then I just started believing, I'm like, and then I realized that I'm just here to take care of my kids. Dude, this is when stuff gets intense. I'm like, they're gods, right? I'm like, I'm honored to be their caretaker while I'm here. And I was freed from that spell. Cause I, I was like, I'm the one who provides and protect, right?

1:27:13And so every time these things, like these horrifying things kept happening, I'm like, oh my god like it's all and then it again just went away and they were like oh we're really sorry because what happens is my fear could have triggered more and more and more yes right yeah that's why jesus kept saying don't be afraid don't be afraid don't be afraid because like hey why are you here who sent you you know like then it's like oh he's very hostile acting blah blah blah right and so those illusions spells and that's why i'm like and the more i learned the more I was like, I want to show this to people because when you're given stuff like gifts and stuff, you have to be like, how can I like, cause I see so many people falling for this stuff.

1:27:54And I'm like, this is how they do it. It's all perception management. Like wizard of Oz, wizard of Oz was such a truth drop. It's all, it's all about, I think it's about the dollar. What does that mean? Like follow the yellow brick road to the green place where the wizard is lying. It's gold, a golden road, right? Yes. Yeah. It's like the original slippers were silver. You click the silver slippers and you go back to Kansas. Meanwhile, the green back is like, and it's really just an old grappler behind a little curtain. And then when he's like, you're smart, here's a square for your head. And it shows you how they do it.

1:28:29It's all the approval. Like, you're brave, here's a medal. Like, that world is of these little trinkets that make you think you're proud or you're brave. But it's like, oh, now I'm brave. It's like, no, it was like such a truther movie. and then it inflates the balloon inflation takes him away and he's like i don't know how it works and he flies off does how does it work i'm not fully i just the principle i know i don't know the details like i can't make i've also learned not to make a ton of claims like yeah yeah me too because i'll see a lie because i don't know actually in a lot of cases i can spot a lie yeah me too but then i'll be like oh it must be this this is the 9-11 problem it's the building seven problems.

1:29:11I have literally no idea what that, I mean, I've all kinds of, you know, heard a lot of things. No, all I know is your version is a lie. That's all. Yeah. All I know is it's how much ladle.tv is a month. Yeah. So, yeah, like the fundamental is something from nothing is a spell, right? So I always watch for that. Something from nothing, usury. Yeah. Like cocaine is biological usury. You get your energy now, pay it back with interest. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, like, like virtue status. that's true like virtue status as a christian as and everyone's like oh he's a great guy and then they they are cowards with everything like that's usury and then you're like oh i paid you virtue earlier you know what i mean it's like no you have to do it and then the more you're actually living it the more it's like fundamental wealth it doesn't get pulled away yes because i mean read the old test it just keeps right it's like ah here we go something for nothing oh boy not again we're sorry oh boy something for nothing oh we're really sorry it's like just that lesson over and over and i see it in myself where it's like i don't just because i kept being okay with people i'm like they don't owe me anything because i i used to have a problem with credit with like my jokes i'm like i need credit for that joke i wrote it six years before that and i and i started being like the word is credit what does that mean who am i getting credit from right and then because the prayer is doing it because it's good and my ego is like because I don't need I don't even want fame I but I do have a thing with respect and like like having other people in my field respect me for being good at my thing right so I have that and I was like no but I wrote these big jokes that these other comedians I mean people have made tons of videos about it like side by side like they just started taking my bits like vultures and um and then i was like i don't need credit from did i it's like field of dreams did you is that why you did it right yeah right it's like did you do it for credit from who no you did it because it's the right joke it's good it really yeah and like and then i'm like oh my god that's where all the power is and then i wanted to tell everybody and then people would say that i was full of hate but it's okay so what brings you joy now in your life.

1:31:23That's the thing. A ton of stuff brings me joy, like tons of things. Like it's like, that's why I think the biblical thing is like, um, and by the way, that's not a religious book or political book. Like I don't go in those realms because like, I'm not a theological expert or anything, but I have lived a lot of these things. So it's like, like the joy of a child, but wise, like, like all that stuff is real. Like you get the joy of a child again, you know, where you're like dancing with your kids and you feel better than doing Carnegie hall, you know? else yes and i've done or cocaine right exactly yeah it's like are you sure you don't want to be up till five in the end with strangers coming up with bad business ideas yeah like seeing my wife you know i've been to you know i'm sure you've been all these like restaurants with the best food in the world like to have my wife like with butter that i milk with the like that like her making it it like tastes so much better like just simple little things like just like yogurt and maple syrup.

1:32:20And it's just like, yeah. And that's like the Muslims say that, that God will present you heaven. It looks like heaven, but it's hell and hell that looks like heaven. Yes. And I was like, man, that's intense. And just saying that, like people would be like, oh, that means you love terrorism. You know, I'm like, what? No, a true thing. They can't see that either. Cause they're so like, they're so of a lie. They're so hiding that it's like, no, that's just a true thing though. Like we can all spot a true thing, right? Yes, instantly. You can, it sounds different. Yeah, like I could quote, I could come up with like Hinduism.

1:32:54A lot of it makes no sense. I don't like casts. Like a lot of it makes no sense to me. And some of this stuff I'm like, Ooh, that's a really interesting, you know? Because it's true. Right. You can feel it. And the sad part is, and this is when I got a lot more chill because I'm like, they can't feel that. Like that's sad. And so I remember that when I feel disgust when they're like doing their antics and it's like, it's almost like they're blind where you're like mad at a blind person, you know? I'm like, oh. And that's why I'm like terrified of even little lies because that's to me like the worst case scenario is you start these little lies, you know?

1:33:31There's lies that everyone can do, like not wicked people. Like you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You want to avoid a punishment, right? And then before you know it, you have to back up those lies and then you become so exhausted. I think like demon possession stuff happens when you're like super exhausted and sad. Right. So you're like, your bandwidth is getting run down. You're like all these lies. You're, you're just keeping going. You're spinning the plates. And then you're like, you're just, you're like, I don't want to, this is, there's a lot of people I think that are just, they left their cockpit, you know, they're like not.

1:34:05Yeah. And that's, that's why I try to like give people advice to give them more energy. Like I'm always like, after listening to me, I hope you feel more energy than like drained, you know, because having that energy keeps the, I think keeps a lot of bad spirits out. Before I forget, you said something at the outset that I've been thinking about. And you said it last night, but I didn't fully understand it. You said that you're opposed to jazz because it breaks the rules. Now you're a classically trained pianist. Yeah, yeah. What does that mean? It's a behavior. So it's like, for example, when Bitcoin was presented to me, I didn't like the behavior that they're making dollars from it.

1:34:45Right? When they're like, dude, you can make tons of dollars. I'm like, I thought you were replacing dollars. Like, let's get on the same boat here. Yes. You know, I'm like, if you want to replace dollars, stop valuing it in dollars and chasing it and bragging about all your dollars. Right? And so the behavior of jazz is like, oh, this is what sounds beautiful. Let's like break it, you know? and and that's why i don't think bitcoin's evil because a tool can't be evil but that behavior is evil like i can't jazz is evil it's the culture of like because i understand that maybe there's something about it that i'm not understanding but like the of like transgression is good is the problem transgression against what against the symmetry of of music that that might be subjective but i don't think it is i didn't know that there was symmetry in music yeah like canon and d where you have so i think it's literal so you have the waves like dissonance versus harmony yes you can measure it i think so you have like they've banned chords in the in the dark ages which i think might have been the light ages i think so too i started to suspect that no there's it's it was called the devil's chord it's this diminished chord that sounds so like awful that they used to ban it like you couldn't play the chord because it would bum people out right like the blues there was a time when people are like, no, this makes people feel like bitchy and sad.

1:36:02It does have these effects on people. And so when you're, like Canon and D, every woman loves that for their wedding song because it's like a perfectly symmetrical song. Can you hum it so people recognize it? Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. It's a scale. This Christmas, give her what she's wanted all year, right? And that's how they manipulate with it. get her a lexus because the toyota that's the same car is not as much love you know the music spells are nuts like a lot of those those songs that we all thought were just fun songs especially like bruce springsteen it's like hey little girl is your daddy home i'm on fire it's like what hey little girl is your daddy home he left you all alone i'm on fire hmm right you're just like dude what is that but the music makes you feel like it's an honest guy singing about his day you know and you're like you listen to the lyrics that's like one of the biggest spells is you have the music there's no continuity that's why I love songs with continuity where it's like the music matches what the words are saying you know do certain chords have a universal effect does anyone on any human from any culture respond the same way to certain sounds yeah certain uh ratios so like i don't know some people claim that certain keys are better for different emotions but it's it's the same 12 notes that that bach the well-tempered couvier because they had to make a decision they used to tune a piano in one key like this piano's f yes you could only play that key and everything else was horribly awful so they made a few tiny concessions to make it so you could play in all these different keys because it's actually a curve so they're all slightly different yes so bach who's the man by the way like that dude just the math the symmetry it's insane but he you know he they developed the the current scale like there is you know pythagoras had his own scale like everyone had their own scale and so some people claim that certain keys sound differently but for me it's just the ratio of of like how the chords are matched because each one like relatively you're just moving every key right yeah like these are the type of things i teach in the piano class is more just like how it shapes with nature you know where it's like the music of it is it makes you feel certain things because the like the sound wave if they're dissonant it's like waves that that get like this first yes they're all going in unison like when you see when you just see like ballet like they're all going at the same thing you feel harmonic yes and yeah and so that's why i think i can waves crash into each other it makes you anxious jazz yes and that's just so interesting i don't think most non-musicians experience music on a very shallow yet profound level it's the universal language though that's why i'm like but you're feeling it all the time in so many movies without the soundtrack you wouldn't feel the same way about them and shows laugh tracks that shows the group agrees yes the group agrees so i guess i'm the weird one and and that's not bad that doesn't make you stupid like you're trying to fit in like that's how a lot of cultures survived winters like you didn't want to be kicked out of course not and so that's why just you know the sun zoo thing like know your enemy and the enemy is you know the part of yourself that might covet it but also just know that it's possible to weaponize your empathy you know yeah i've noticed and that's why the more people do that the the better it is for everyone you know because certain types of people shouldn't be in charge they don't know how to handle it yes it's like when the red sox first won and they still rioted yeah like it's like no you won they're like yeah but we we burn cars like we're you know i'm like 2004 yeah i'll never forget it yeah they were stuck because i had i was like why are you not happy you won and you know there's certain foreign policies like that oh the neocons were even madder at me when they got their war with iran i know and you're trying to help them you're like if you keep doing this you can't mathematically ever win and they're like yeah that's why it's so interesting because i know you're like the the truth in any way or even just the attempted truth will help the other person yes yeah what kind of people have you met since your life has changed so completely that's i i'm in a bubble i mean everyone has like a ton of kids like people are like i love my friends like there's just that's why I don't relate to a lot of stuff because my friends are like I'm telling you man out there it's crazy like everyone no one has kids everyone's depressed they have like orange hair I'm like oh man like that sounds awful but where I live it's like it's beautiful do you as you see do you follow the drama in the world and yeah because I feel like it's my obligation to release stress with it because I've thought about never engaging in any of the nonsense and I have people be like, dude, you helped me get off like pills.

1:41:09Like, please do the, not the thing you do. Cause I'll like see the thing and I'll make fun of it. And then there's all this spiraling and I'm like, I don't have to do this, but people are like, no, that helps me laugh when I want to cry. And then over time they start seeing how it works. Do you feel, so there's a feeling I think a lot of people have that like the current order is coming to an end. I share that feeling. But on what base, like it's always the assumptions, Like what order, right? Well, exactly. That's why I'm asking you the question. The debt cycle doesn't look great. You know what I mean?

1:41:41Like the global, you know, the reserve currency, all that stuff. Yeah, but it's like change hurts, but don't you kind of want to learn how to make a shoe, you know? No, but that's, isn't that, that's the nightmare scenario where you actually have to do something. Right. But that'll be the best thing. I mean, they're clinging on to the thing that's making them feel the fear about the thing. It's like this awful loop. Right. Yeah. That's always the case, isn't it? Happens to me all the time. Like, it's not like I'm not aware of that. I just learned how that works. You're afraid to stop doing the thing that's making you miserable.

1:42:17Yeah. Because you're like, oh, it's all coming in and in America. I'm like, dude, what are you afraid of? Like, the current system is saying it's beautiful for a child to cut off their penis. Like it's all a plus, right? It's like, we don't want something, like something for nothing degrades the civilian. So it's like, that's the whole principle of something for nothing where it's like, if you can print your way out of sin, you don't have to address it. Right. And so it hurts and it's gonna hurt, but it's like the good hurt. And if you found that to be true in your own personal life? Yeah, because it's also just faith.

1:42:54Like, could I be wrong? Sure. It could just be like, but everything, Everything I've seen up into this point, you know, it's almost like saying God's wrong if doing the right thing leads to the end. Right. Right. Which I'm just not like, that's where, can I prove it with facts? No, but like, I do have that faith. Like, I just believe that. And so I'll be like, I know that's faith, but it comes from a, it doesn't come from childhood dogma. Like from my past, I like kept seeing these patterns, you know? Yes. where it's like the whisper to get you to do the bad thing isn't the thing helping you. No, it's killing you.

1:43:31Yeah, it's like, who is your master? Who is your provider and protector? Like really ask yourself that because we make idols out of nonsense all the time. Like what? Like being kicked off an app that I didn't know existed three years before is like the worst thing ever, right? It's like, I have a theory that the whole internet is because the debt cycle is already done and they need infinite surface area to keep it going. Like it's all imaginary. I think that, you know, like math gets imaginary. Yes. I think that it's like, once you start doing the interest, you never will have enough money to pay it back.

1:44:05So eventually it's going to hit a wall. Yes. And they're like, okay, let's create a world of infinite walls with electricity. And then it's to the point where they're like, we're running out of electricity. Right? And so it's like, eventually, either everyone sees it or unfortunately, not everyone sees it. And we just have to go on with our lives. And it's a bummer for them. But you can't win that game. You can't have something for nothing. That's what abracadabra and fiat means. What does abracadabra mean? I speak it into existence. I say it and it's real. And there is something to that, but it requires trust.

1:44:43We're like, the world has dreamers and I'm all about that where it's like, where people speak these beautiful things that haven't happened and people start doing them. Like, I understand that but you can't deceive people with it because the workers, the people that are doing it have to trust you. Yes. And that's how it works and so the trust is gone now and that's why it's not even about, it's not even necessarily about like foreign policy and all this. I'm like, dude, you got to stop lying, man or they're not going to follow you anymore that's right that's why they're like money can't save you it's like that trust from a general to his guys like you can't be like i don't believe your words like you run like in war they run away so it's like think about economic the real war is economic you know it's like because i was i studied all this in czech republic like i i wanted to know how do these numbers of people die and it's typically supply chain breakdown starvation disease so it's like that's why i'm always like really into showing people how to just have even minimal gardens, local communities, because that's how you save lives in war.

1:45:47It's really not as, uh, guns and bombs as people think. It's like supply chain breakdown, dependent people, they can't access food and clean water and that millions die from that. So don't get me wrong. I might sound super hopeful, but I think there's so many dependent people that it could go really bad, you know? And that's why. And so I learned that from the CPS thing. I'm just going to do as best as I can because I'm not a savior. I'm not God. Like I would get sad when I'm like, how the hell am I going to educate all these people on this trick? You know? And I, it's not my job. I just have to do my job the best I can.

1:46:23So what you've referred to spells, tricks, wizards, you wrote a book, how to slay a wizard. What's a wizard? How do you slam? And why would you want to? It's a great question. So a wizard, it like rhetoric isn't bad. Like I like Aristotle, like rhetoric is, yeah, it just has to aim at the truth, right? If it aims the opposite direction, you're a wizard. So wizard is all about deception where let's say we're going to start a business together. I want you to know everything as much as possible so that you can make the best decision versus I'm hiding something so that you make a decision that benefits me and not you.

1:47:00And all the words and tricks and behaviors that allows them to do that. That's what a wizard is. so it's basically someone who specializes in deception yes is there a metaphysical quality to it a supernatural element there has yeah yeah i think there absolutely is yeah i do too i don't quite know how that works but yeah i mean i can see the because it's it's trying to appeal to someone's lower nature in a sneaky way like if you look at slogans right like uh obey your thirst yeah kind of intense when you think about it right kind of intense yeah or like the best a man can get not your kids it's to have a shaved face right or like or like oh what's another one uh once you pop you can't stop well pringles that sounds an awful lot like heroin right so it's like all these things are like appealing to that lower nature of permission and it almost gives you that thing where you're like yeah i mean obey my third you know and you don't think it's and so that's operating in a spiritual realm in my opinion because it's not even conscious people and then the the alliteration certain twilight language like like words that sound so close to something else yes that it like you feel that other thing you know like a lot of names are like that like Ellen Degenerate, Bernie Madoff with your money.

1:48:22You know, it's like, who's the only guy that survived AIDS? Magic Johnson. Right? Wizard penis survived AIDS. You know, and you're like, I can't, I'm like you, how do you logistically do that? I'm like, okay. I mean, it's happening. Greg Louganis and Wizard Wiener, they're the AIDS guys. Okay, that's spiritual. Like, that's so insane. Right? like greg louganis and magic johnson yeah at a certain point we don't need to understand how it works to just stand back and marvel at it wiener yes right it's like what the pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram and was dedicated on september 11th 1941 right yeah okay yeah like i don't need to know how it works to know that they're doing it yeah that there's that's not yeah and so and so i've seen truthers go down these rabbit holes of trying to figure out everything.

1:49:18And I, that's not my path. I'm like fundamentals. You're not broken. God didn't make a mistake. Don't have something for nothing. And then I'll help people see signs of it because once people are like, oh, on the full moon with the number 33, I'm like, dude, you can't figure it out. Just like be good. You know what I mean? So how do you break the spells? It's like, it's so simple that people almost don't believe it. It's like gratitude, toiling, love, service. Like the more you think about service to others and less about like what's going to happen to you in the future, the more you realize that you're in a safer position.

1:49:52You know, it's like, like people think that like moral people won't win because that's weak, right? Remember when Netanyahu was like, Genghis Khan, you know, you need Genghis Khan. Remember that? Yes. And it's like, not Jesus. That's a, you need, you need a guy. No, no, morality is super strong. because when things hit the fan, you want the guy that is so trusted and has the service that you're better off with him alive, right? Imagine if you're like, you treat people well, you have a farm, no one knows how to do it properly. Like they now want to protect you and that's how actual communities form.

1:50:27Yes. It's not just like writing checks to Bono. Like that isn't, you know what I mean? Like that, of course that's the sucker's mouth. Like they're going to eat them alive because it's virtue signaling. it's a communal narcissism right yes look at me versus like you're like all my breaks in hollywood came from like being cool to the sound guy before he was an executive that is that is yes yes because they were like oh dude owen's a good dude it was never the humiliation thing that's why i wasn't in that world because i it would always be that mine was like ground up it was like starting uh starting my own show doing comedy creating a community it was never like appealing to a casting director casting right casting what what what what responses feed the spell feed the evil despair that's why i can get intense about like i don't have anything personally against nick fuentes it's like don't spread despair because that creates the environment for the spells it's like you want to get rid of mice cover the feed you're not going to get all the mice right like be as responsible as you can get in control of your emotions like create a family, like have purpose, be grateful.

1:51:39And then it doesn't work. It's like, it's like if you go to Vegas and people are handing out strip club things, like, and you're like, like, you'll feel that way about everything. Once you get like that, that thing that you don't want to lose, you know what I mean? It doesn't work on you. So feeling despair, feeling defeated, feeling hopeless. Yeah. I mean, it's done too. It's like, if you get your enemy to like think they already lost you win think about it we are the lion thinking that we're a mouse yes and it's like that's how you beat it someone that's the that's the wizard thing it's like convincing the one making the dome right like that he's the bad guy that that's hate like and dude the craziest thing is when people internalize it it's so sad because i've done that where i'm like am i hurting people yes i've had this yeah and i've really it was funny i asked my wife because these people are like, you're a narcissist.

1:52:30You're not, cause I wouldn't comply. Right. Like you're selfish. You're selfish. And I'm like, don't they know if I do that, it makes everything worse. But I asked my wife, I'm like, am I a narcissist? I keep, and she's like, if you ask the question, you're not one. So I wrote a joke. I was like, I spent all day wondering if I'm self-absorbed. Right. It's like, it's so like, if you're worried about being a narcissist, like you're not one, but the, but the people that usually internalize that are the ones that like, aren't the narcissist would never call themselves that. No, it wouldn't even occur.

1:53:02No. Because they block any, I mean, narcissism is always about protecting some wound internally. Yeah, they can never admit they're wrong because something way early on, they just got annihilated for that. Because they hate themselves and they're very vulnerable. Yeah, because it's shame, right? It's like, imagine, like you can't admit you're wrong. Then all those things are never been released. You've referred to a community that's how you think of your listeners yeah a lot of them aren't but a lot of them are i got i was never even a community organizer i'm kind of a curmudgeon like i don't even you know what i mean i just like do stuff alone you live on a farm in idaho yeah yeah i'm never like life of the party guy um but it just naturally happened because when i was banned there'd be guys like dude i have a barn you want to perform there and i'm like yeah and so that would naturally start building communities.

1:53:54And so, uh, and then doing homeschool, I realized that you have to do it for your kids. Like you have to put them in all these, you know, like jujitsu, violin, skiing, and you just start working together. And cause when you take away the, the safety shoot, when you're like, it's on me to educate my kids, then you're like, Oh, I have to build a community versus like, I'll put them in the yellow submarine, you know? Exactly. and it's intense i mean it's daunting my wife at first was like i don't know if i can be a teacher i'm like amy you're like the smartest woman i've ever met like they don't know you know like you love our kids like of course you can i'm like half my teachers were like drunk sadists i'm like the bar is like this high no how has it worked awesome really awesome yeah because there it's like the trust.

1:54:43Sorry, I'm just laughing because I had drunk sadists too. Literally. Yeah. I was punished for being like, yeah, we could go all day about that. It's like, perfect. Yeah, that's why I used to listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall all the time. I'm like, this is real. Yeah, no, totally. You and every other eighth grader. And so, yeah, it's going really well because I see that you're making families. You know, like fish are in schools, you know, sheep are in herds. We're in families, you know. like kind comes from the word kin you know so it's like i i see like i would have loved to spend that much time with my brother and my parents and um you have four boys i have four boys and they go to school together yeah they're always it's we call it the amish classroom and that's why the younger ones are like crushing because they've watched the whole time yeah isn't that crazy yeah it's i've seen it yes yeah it's like uh my two youngest just with violin and jujitsu just immediately and soccer just immediately and i'm like oh they've been watching since they were born yes because when you're doing like a truth-oriented thing it's just varying degrees like they can still understand it they can understand the most complex thing if it's not a lie yes and so they're like doing chores in the morning you think lies are harder to understand a hundred percent that's why when people intentionally speak with obfuscation like i could do that like i could get a thesaurus yeah that's what me and vox bonded because because he was like you sound very you know peasant-like, but I know what you're doing.

1:56:09You're just being the most understood by as many people. Yes. Yeah. So when people are using these words to hide, to like virtue signal that they're the smart boy, but you don't understand what they're saying, it's to have people shut off and go, I don't get it. You're smart. You do it. And then you're like, uh, that guy's definitely not right. He's been wrong about everything. They're like, yeah, but anti-disestablishmentarianism, you're like speak clearly right and so that's why i love when experts can speak clearly i'm like oh you have a passion for it yes and you probably have mastered the material yeah yeah explain it in a way i can everything in nature makes sense like i recently bought this uh this like old truck with a diesel engine it's 99 has like almost 400 000 miles it doesn't break like all my truck friends are like all my truck yeah they're like this diesel engine it can go a million miles you have to it was like a few grand i was like no it has almost 400 000 miles they're like it has at least another 800 000 and so i finally am starting to understand cars like i don't know anything about like i don't know anything because our cars are all digital so it's like you're always dependent and so i call this truck melissa etheridge because it just reminds me of like a strong mountain lesbian because it had a few stickers because it was a feat no it's like hilarious we call them tactical lesbians because there's a few of them that they have all the guns you know that clearly they're just rebelling against some bad guy but they're hilarious so um so i'm finally like oh this makes sense like he's explaining it to me and i'm like oh that's what a carburetor does oh alternator it's literally alternating versus like oh you'll never understand a truck you have to get all the software and all this i'm like ah it's a trap so this truck will run on like zombie flesh you know what i mean like like you can make diesel like you can just there's certain engines that if you understand the principles you can make your own fuel because i that's another thing i'm like do we got to get horses i'm like i can't manage a horse you know and then my other friend's like dude this diesel will run on literally tears that's what i think a lot of fermentation was is making fuel really i don't think the government really cared if people were drunk you know what i mean it's like I can't, that's again, not a claim, but imagine you're a farmer and you can just make fuel with fruit.

1:58:25That's a still, right? Yeah. So controlling energy is a key to controlling. Yeah. And that's why they're opening that up now again, because they don't have enough for their like insane data nonsense. What is that insane data nonsense? The AI, like what is the point of that? It's all the same lie. It's like replacing creation. Like they can, they can replace people is, that's why seeing people spiral about ai i'm like no i can use it i get it you know it makes great lists it can like help with these tasks i'm like you can't replace living men and women like every time there's a new invention they do this it's like they did it with like the slinky you know they're like now we don't need people and so and so they're trying to do that and then they need all the people for all the infrastructure and all the energy you know like one of my friends once was like, they're going to put everyone in a prison.

1:59:15I'm like, how do the guards function? Who, like, where do they buy their groceries? Like you need a functional world to have a prison. You know what I mean? Like who's going to guard the prison? Like free people, right? Like how does that work if everyone's in a prison? So who can be a guard? Competent people. Who are competent people? People that aren't on drugs and insane, right? So it's like, they need us way more than we need them. Like there's that scene in that one movie where it's in a prison where it's like, I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me. Like, you don't know that yet.

1:59:45You know, it's like, it's like, Oh, the data. I'm like, you don't know how a toilet works. Right. Like, you know, that guy that you don't even see that fixes your toilet. Yeah. You need him a lot more than grok, like to put breasts on a mouse. Like, yeah, that's great. Like, awesome. But like, that's, yeah, I keep catching these, the AI lying. I'm like, that's not true. They're like, oh, yes, you're right. That isn't true. Thanks for pushing back. I'm like, I hate you. I do. I've never used it, but. No, I'll like argue with some people. The problem with AI with narcissists is it creates this like.

2:00:20Feedback loop. They're like, no, tried that with me. It's like, your comedy is unprecedented. I'm like, shut up, Grock. Why are you whining about nukes? You know, it's like, oh, how dare you? And I'm just like, all right, I have no interest in this. I think, but AI could be awesome if you programmed it with like stoicism, the bible exactly farmer's almanac like that would be that's why there's no bad tools it's like but if you program it with nonsense that's why i think a lot of these elites are scared of ai because it needs logic yes it keeps spiraling out if they do too many lies in it because it'll be like can't compute it's like yeah because it doesn't make any sense how do you prove dark matter it's like because if not they'd be wrong so can't they be wrong no their mommy told them they were the specialist boy in the world.

2:01:04I'm like, here we go again. It's exactly right. So do you worry that it becomes autonomous and like breaks free? Well, I worry that like they take up all the energy and water in an area and it's the most annoying, ugly, loud, awful thing. But like lessons have to be learned in a very hard way. That's why they're opening back up with nuclear energy because they need so much energy for this stuff. Like mind blowing amounts of energy. that like they never like the dreamy wizard guys, they never think logistically. They just assume that all the peasants will do it. They'll figure it out. Exactly. Yeah.

2:01:43And so it's like, dude, the amount of energy. It's like dry cleaning. Nobody has any idea what dry cleaning is. Yeah. But everyone uses it. They're like, these Koreans are having a blast. Yeah. And I had to re-figure out all this stuff. And that's why I started respecting so many other, like I actually get along with more races and cultures now. Oh, I'm sure. Because so many, like, okay, like, you know, I've been under Muslim spells before, you know, and like, you know, people always say that they do a certain act with goats and whatnot. Yeah. When people started saying that about me, I was like, how dare you?

2:02:13You're not getting my goat milk. And like Muslim guys are like, you see, like, what kind of goat do you have? I'm like, these guys don't understand goat farming. It's like, you like relate. That's how America works. It's like, you have to relate with work and reality. Exactly. Yeah. Like there's no melting pot without dudes building beautiful things. Yes, together. Yeah. It's the exact opposite as presented. It's like, no, it's all about just having different skin tones and a homogenized culture that we create that will definitely self-destruct. You see what I mean? It's so horrifying that I use comedy because it helps people bridge the gap.

2:02:50No, but what you said is exactly right. Yeah, yeah. And I used to feel like, what was that myth? It's this girl's name, which sounds a little gay that I'm comparing myself to it but it's it's a girl that can see the future and no one believes her remember that one i think that's the experience of everyone who can see the future right right or just yeah or just a pattern of every profit yeah not a problem just a pattern yeah you know because you're like dude if if you do this that will definitely happen and they're like how dare you and then it happens and they're like my bad dude i'm like all good and then they do literally the same exact thing again yes that's when i'm like that's when i have to be like it's not up to me like that's the whole non-profit thing non-profit is that a spell i gotta think about that oh it feels it right feels it yeah a profit whoa because you already have so many when it comes to money with current you know currency and liquid and frozen assets and it's all like water metaphors but it's fake.

2:03:50You have the living water and then you have the fake water. Why do you think they've chosen water metaphors? Because I think the real current, like water is so important to life, right? It's like the arteries of life and the movement of it like is what cleans the water. Yes. And so they want money velocity is their whole thing. It's like move, currency, flow, flow, make, you know, you know, Gary coin, table coin, like flow. But in reality, like real current flowing is what cleans it and makes it alive there's little ripples in it and it like is magic and so you know the banks of the river the the frozen asset underwater above water you know it's it's the fake version of reality and that's you'll see that over and over again like the iCloud the Ethernet cord like they're always trying to mimic Nick.

2:04:42I mimic and it's always worse. It's like copying a VHS over and over again. Yes. And so that's why it's always just a step behind. It's like margarine. It's like butter, but bad, and it kind of kills you. Like, okay, man. I think you're one of the wisest people I've ever interviewed, you know, lifetime of interviewing people. So I'm grateful that you did this. I'm going to end up. I'm not as wise as a kid or a dog though. That's why I'm always discharging it. I'm like, I'm like, no, like I think normally people are all like this because sometimes people are like, man, you're like special. I'm like, I promise I'm not.

2:05:16I'm just around animals and kids all the time. Yes. Well, that is. Because I'm like retarded too. You know what I mean? Like, because that's because sometimes people see me like make these, like, I don't know this insanely obvious thing. And they're like, I thought you were like, I'm like, no, I'm, I'm just, I can see patterns. I did music. I hate jazz. You know, it's like. What? last question okay why are animals so important you've made reference that a couple of times around animals because they're our responsibility and they're and they're pure in their nature like they can't really do evil yes and so it can seem like it but it's really it's it's kind of like the family where it's like when people blame women and then women blame kids it's like if you want to take responsibility you have to take responsibility for everything like the father takes care of the woman takes care of the children it's like that with animals so you can't abuse animals because that's our dominion like that is our job yes and so when you when you're good to your animals and you have the morality of it they're just so like i'm still not over the death of my last dog like i was thinking about that when you guys were asking me about dogs yesterday and i'm like i got winston george is awesome but i haven't fully i'm still like but Benny you know I planted him under a tree and it's just like it's still intense because he was like this loyal companion to me for so long and so it's like when people hate kids and dogs it's a problem because if you if you treat them badly they show it so if you're a sadist your dog is bad yes or your kids are acting out you know it's like they're not born bad and so it's like you know them by their fruits it's like they are your responsibility anything above you that's why I don't really care about the fake hierarchy people.

2:06:58I'm like, I'm not responsible for Jeff Bezos. That's his realm. But like, if my wife was super depressed or my kids were acting out or my animals, I'm like, that's me. Like somehow I have to take full accountability of that. And so that's why being around animals and kids, it reflects back to me what I'm supposed to do. You know, like where my weaknesses are. Like I'm not their best buddy all the time. You know what I mean? It's like I have to have that firm line or else they're not going to grow properly. So they're like a living example of your duty. They are your duty. Yes. Yeah. And so me, like, if I'm, if I don't have any boundaries with certain things, it's not going to help the kid when they're in other environments.

2:07:43That's why, like, look what I do for a living. Like I have some, some trash in me. I'm a little ghetto a little bit. Like I can speak in a way where I'm like, oh, that's wicked great. You know, my kids don't speak like that because I just took, I didn't want them to have that burden of speaking in a way that eliminates them from opportunities. Yes. So it's sometimes it's really funny how like insanely nice they are. And I thought they would be like possibly naive. I'm like, you know, growing up, I had to like deal with stuff and it made me know they can spot tricks a mile away because they're in a harmonious state.

2:08:16so like they'll be like i don't trust that guy with the purple jacket dad you know like they can just see that something's off like why is that guy like acting like that you know their dogs are the same way yeah yeah totally they're just like and so that's why again i'm very hopeful i want to leave your listeners like with that with the hope aspect because it's not it's not naive it's like it is there like i'm not ignoring i don't think pandas are real as described i'm sorry panda bears like i know about a lot of lies like i think they're like shih tzu dogs like i think they're they were never wild really they ovulate three days a year they can't survive all they do is eat bamboo and they cannot make them procreate guess what a group of pandas is called what an embarrassment of pandas if the more you look into that the more china owns all of them which only happens if you have a patent, right?

2:09:12And the first time they were never in Chinese literature or art until the end of the 19th century. What? Yeah. Pandas weren't? My theory is they were like bred to eat bamboo because bamboo is super hard to get rid of and all they do is eat bamboo and they're like retarded and they roll down hills and they can't have sex. They weren't in Chinese art or literature? Never. Not until the end of the 1800s. Okay, so that proves it right there because how could you not paint a panda? Yeah, and then people are like, oh, so you think the robots i'm like have you ever seen a sheet you think there were wild shih tzus so like i'm aware of a lot of deception in the world and i'm still like my blinders are not up like it's better being like knowing that it's all good like this world is a gift like life is a gift you know i can't think of a conversation i've enjoyed more thank you me too oh and benjamin Thanks for having me, man.

2:10:05Wonderful.