The Murder That Exposed the Godless System Replacing Christianity & Why You’re Not Allowed to Notice

29:19I became aware of you, like most people, fairly recently when you were interviewed as a man on the street, as we say here in the United States, and gave this kind of beautiful explanation of your concerns. And so we pressed a little deeper and I want to read back to you a couple of quotes from a series that you have started that I will be watching. But I want you to explain, if you would, what you mean by this. And I'm quoting. We live in a belief system that no one believes in anymore. And it has created a terminal crisis that it can't escape alive. We've been trained in a way not to see the elephant at all and to call the mess it makes of everything progress.

29:58And then finally you write, what is ending now is not the world, but the world as we knew it. What system are you describing? Well, I'm describing the system that was marketed to us as liberal democracy, which we've all taken, we've been led to believe deliberately, because the system rules us by media, is the acme of human organization. It's like the verdict of history. And we've all kind of accepted that this is the only way we can live. But in fact, that system was intentionally put together over 100 years ago. And as I've explained elsewhere, it is the god that failed twice. And it was there to replace the civilization that we had before.

30:42And the tremendously destructive opportunity of the Great War and then the Second World War provided, if you like, the opportunity to install this system in place of the European civilization that we'd inherited from the monastic system of the church over 1 ,000 years ago. So what we're doing now is we're realizing that the beliefs that we've been supplied by this system no longer explain the world. And the crisis that this system has created isn't just national or local. And it is local to you and I. And it is in both of our nations. But it's worldwide. And there's a collapse of belief in the system.

31:22And I would like to remind people that it is the foundational technique, rather that it's central to the political technique of the 20th century, to manufacture belief in your own system. The system manufactures belief in itself through every form of a cultural production. I mean, you know, the things that you buy, the disposable items that you have, the terms and conditions that are increasingly offline as well as online. When you notice that this is everywhere and it's infused into practically every transaction, and life is a series of transactions now in the main, in this system, because it's nihilist and it's consumerist.

32:00So then you notice the remarkable fact that you've never noticed that you're policed by a total ideology until it starts to fail. And it's failing now. It's not working for all of us. You know, in one of the most divisive times in human history, socially and culturally, everyone can agree that everything's getting worse and there seems to be no answers from within that system. And that's because the system is the problem. I think everyone listening to this, regardless of ideology, senses the truth in what you're saying. One line stuck out to me. The system is no longer capable of explaining the world around us.

32:42What do you mean by that? Well, what I would say is that the crisis that has been created by the way that we are ruled, it has become so impossible to manage that it's completely out of control. If you look at the idea, the reason why I go on about the idea of technique is because technique is one word for saying, you know, the refinement of the process of producing a standard result. And if you look at what our politics has done over a century, then you can see that it's been refining itself, if you like, at the speed of the development of communication technology to produce a system that manufactures belief in itself.

33:25And we might be caught up in a lot of the effects. So we'll complain about something that's woke, for example, or we'll complain about some mad war that's been launched. But really, all these things make sense from the point of view of one big idea, which is if you understand that from its beginning, the liberal system was about creating a global standard in everything, in economics, in politics, in culture, and in belief. And when you see that as just an object, a standard object, we're going to standardize the whole world, that's the object, that's the objective. Then you understand everything that's been done.

34:04And then all the madness makes sense because, for example, one remarkable thing I discovered was some of the people that put together the Federal Reserve and then the International Liberal System Management and the Council on Foreign Relations, they described themselves as internationalists. That's the right early marketing term for what we call globalists today. And so you can hear a lot of people complain about that. But really, if you understand that the general idea is to standardize the whole world under the standards of this new system, under its political economy, its politics, its economics, and the belief it supplies.

34:43And the only beliefs it really supplies are the beliefs in itself, and it excludes all the other ones. You can see why there's a terminal crisis now, because the only beliefs that we can find that can explain the world aren't supplied by the liberal system. And that's why they're policing speech, and that's why they call anyone, anyone, who makes a sane, decent, and indeed Christian objection to the politics and economics of mass destruction. That's why they describe you as being evil for demanding a decent life and a future for your children. That's why they describe you as an extremist if you dare to notice the obvious out loud.

35:24And these are some of the effects of this system that's disintegrating. And part of that technique, if you like, is the creation of crises, which they then go on to monetize. Like, obviously, the war industry is a huge crisis management model that saturates our political class and effectively sponsors them, and then permissions further misadventures that result in mass destruction, misery, and of course, magnifying the scale of mass migration. If you look into mass migration, it has been missold to us as a human rights affair. It's not. It's a business. It's become an industry at scale where governments and NGOs permission the arrival of millions of people which are often transported into the West by criminal gangs that charge them considerable amounts of money to do so.

36:16And this, in turn, was created by these pointless wars that we fought time and again over the last decades. And to point that out, basically one of the most remarkable things that occurred to me one day whilst doing extensive reading as a result of my extended leisure time, because I'm rather routinely unemployable given my disputatious and principal character, I came up with this idea that regime change changed our regime more than any other. And that is a remarkable fact. And it did, because I'm sure you remember the 90s. And sadly, it's not the 90s anymore, but the 90s was a very different world to what we're in now.

36:58And that was before the regime change regime really kicked in. And look what it's done to us. Look what it's done to the world. These are the causes. You see, one of the problems I found with conservatism, the doomed ideology of conservatism, Why did it never conserve anything? Conservatism has largely become a kind of political and media phenomenon in which you monetize outrage by whinging about terrible effects and never investigate causes. If you want to solve the problem, have a look at where they come from. That might be a good start. But if you do solve the problem, then poof, your audience disappears and you can't make whinge books anymore.

37:40So, you know, it is kind of fatal to the grifter. But we should try and move beyond that model of simply spectating, of being kind of wires of the obscenity of our own existence, and try and say, can't we do better? And you can't do better if you don't know how bad has been done. Inflation makes credit card statements particularly scary. You work 40, 50 hours a week just to buy groceries and gas, things you used to be able to afford without thinking that much about it. Then the banks charge you 20 % interest. If the system is designed to keep you underwater, it's working. but there's another option.

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38:48Give American Financing a call, 800-685-5696. That's 1-800-685-5696 or visit AmericanFinancing.net slash Tucker, America's home for home loans. Yeah, well, I think you've answered the question in the back of my mind since you began speaking, which is, why aren't you the most famous living philosopher in Britain, as you should be? And you aren't because you are committing this sin you just described by asking questions, pointing a finger to the cause of the problems and not just hyperventilating about the problems themselves, as I did, for example, on Fox News for so long. So congratulations to you.

39:31Shame on me. But notice, who had a higher paying job. So I guess you're making your point. Or I'm admitting that your point is true. It is true to my shame. I'm toxic to money. And it doesn't like me. And there it is. I don't care. I'm used to that. I'm not blaming you personally. No. The thing is, is that we all, when we think about blaming people, really, even in some of the worst, most offensive, and in fact, almost unforgivable cases, you have to look at people and really genuinely ask, can you honestly just blame them? People are responsible for what they do. But we have all been raised, I've been raised, you've been raised in this total political technique, which has formed our consciousness about the world, which has distorted our moral sensibilities, which has given us false aspirations and the worship of false idols.

40:28And so can you blame people when they're misled? Can you blame people when they become subject to mass delusions that send them into frenzies? Because the system has been designed to do that. And if you think that this is speculative, the giant of post-war American diplomacy, George F. Kennan, who was a genius at preventing the outbreak of nuclear war, and so should be commended for that. But in 1948, and you can read this in the congressional record, he published a paper called On the Inauguration of Organized Political Warfare. And in that paper, he said that he should use the CIA, which had been created a year before in 1947, to basically create cultural propaganda through the direct sponsorship and creation, in some cases, of things like modern art, sponsoring speakers such as Sir Isaiah Berlin, the international and greatest champion of the liberal idea in the 20th century, the art critic Clement Greenberg touring musical operations and orchestras and so on.

41:30And this became, if you like, the seminal point of the development of cultural production in the mid to late 20th century, where you find now, if you look at it through this prism, you can see that practically everything that's produced in our mass culture is in some way a form of propaganda for the liberal political economy that rules us all. So basically everything that you see, everything that you consume, all the avenues that you have to navigate to earn a living and to communicate with people, and even to get access to your own money, these are all contingent on some kind of tacit acceptance or submission to a series of ideological rules that you were never asked about.

42:11And you don't really have any chance to object to, or you risk your meager livelihood for your increasingly worthless money. And so when you notice that, this is another reason why people are losing belief in this system. And it's not because of radicals and online extremists like me and bigots like you, Mr. Coulson. It's because of reality. The awful reality we live in is unignorably bad, and no amount of sophisticated cultural production and propaganda can persuade you otherwise. So it's finished. It does seem like the final bet, though, of the organizers of the system, the maintainers of the system, the stewards of our system is technology, is supercomputing AI.

42:55And the point of that, I'm starting to sense, is coercion. Like it doesn't matter whether you agree with a system or like it, when the control grid is in place, you have to obey. Well, here's another problem about the political technique of the 20th century. Every time something has been made possible by technology, we've seen our political economy adopted wholeheartedly without any real attempt to mitigate any serious threats to the dignity of human life, to whether or not it's going to improve, maximize human flourishing, or indeed immiserators. And so you see that every time something's invented, you invent, the liberals invent, a new series of kind of moral values, what they call ethics, to permission its use.

43:45You've seen this in the development of technology to sterilize and mutilate children, for example, which has perniciously been presented as a human rights issue. That was made possible by technology. Now, just to use that example, and to use the example of artificial intelligence, as it's so called, just because we can do something it doesn't mean to say we should do and that's a very important question for political power and i think that's one of the duties of the state to look into how can we best use this for the purpose of the human flourishing of mankind which should be the duties of the state and if it is good great but let's be careful with it and let's see what good we can do with it, rather than have it just used, misused, or indeed unleashed and ravaged through our lives.

44:33And one of the reasons why this may very well get permissioned by the ruling elite that's currently installed is because they've reduced the value of human life to price. Our economy sees human life as disposable. It can be simply eliminated as a matter of convenience, and that's celebrated as the pinnacle of women's liberation to basically kill your own children because they disadvantage you by being alive. And the same thing with the elderly. We're effectively disposable. These arguments, I believe, are now moving outside of the traditional Catholic Christian base. And even atheists and liberals are beginning to realize, hang on a minute, we live in a vast evil machine that sees us all as not only replaceable, but disposable.

45:18It's a disposable political economy. And I think we should dispose of it before it disposes of us. And this is the reason why I've been on about surrogacy for so long, because that was permissioned in 1993 in a law in the United States which astonishingly established the right to buy a human life. And that's what surrogacy is. It's the hire of women to produce a human life for sale. And if this is not one of the, if you like, the lowest points of human degradation in history, I don't know what is. But I will finish by saying this. In his notes towards a definition of culture around the middle of the 20th century, T.S.

45:59Eliot said there is no limit to the depths to which man can fall. So we shouldn't expect that just because something is shockingly morally degrading, like surrogacy, that people will wake up and go, oh no, that's enough. No, if we don't actually stop it, we will continue to fall into the abyss. And I think we've all got that sense are falling now. You know, when you have a nightmare and you're falling, then suddenly you snap and wake up. I think we're all waking up at the moment. If I could just ask a question about motive. So you said at the outset that the design of the system was to create sameness, uniformity globally as a standard, a universal standard in belief, in economy, in culture.

46:43And that's obviously worked. But what was the motive behind that? Why would anyone or any group of people want that, do you think? Well, if you look at the, by the way, this is not speculative, and it takes place in the record of the Federal Reserve and the United States Congress and so on. This isn't speculative fiction. It isn't some kind of grievance narrative. There are several major interests involved in this that I can call to mind immediately. obviously one of the financial people like J.P. Morgan, later on the Rockefellers, who could see the enormous potential of having, if you like, a debt issuance system that was globally exportable, a standard model, where whatever you wish to permission in these new liberal democracies that you're going to create, you could finance it by simply printing money.

47:32And that's what they did. And that's partly the reason why liberal democracy failed in the first 15 years of its life. if it failed along the 1920s through the 30s, and all the liberal democracies that were installed shortly after the Great War, they just dissolved. Because they couldn't answer the financial crisis that their new economic model had created, and they had no political answer to Bolshevism. But apart from that, you had the international financiers who wanted a global standard economic system for their own interests. You had people like Bertrand Russell and John Dewey, these kind of atheist, pragmatist, rationalist philosophers who actually sold you the idea that if we had a one world government, we could end war and that they would sell that to you with these humanitarian principles in mind.

48:20And I think Bertrand Russell was quite convinced of that. I mean, I don't find that a convincing argument because there's a profound reason why that's wrong. And that's because liberals believe that man is perfectible and that according to the myth of progress, that man just gets better every day because the calendar flips over. But the inexorable moral progress of mankind is a myth. And the British philosopher John Gray has expanded that very cleverly in his Seven Types of Atheism, showing that this is just a fantasy. It's a utopian delusion. But those people sincerely believed it. And these people are dangerous.

48:54They're fanatics. And this is where utopian thought leads you. Like the British thinker and journalist Peter Hitchin said, you know, the trouble with utopia is you have to row across an ocean of blood and you never arrive. But that has meaning in reality. So you did have well-meaning liberal fanatics like Bertrand Russell. And John Dewey actually wrote a series of essays in the 1930s called Towards a Common Faith. And he said that we should supply, we the liberal elite should supply a kind of global Christless religion, a common faith, so these plebeians could believe in it and we could somehow unite this new global system of interdigitated liberal democracies, which are all identical in having bicameral systems, and incidentally all identical in the fact that you can only vote for left liberals, right liberals, extreme liberals, or Bolshevists, which is what you could actually vote for in the first instance.

49:49Yes. So whilst you're in this new happy utopia, we're going to give you this belief system. And bear in mind, that comes from a thinker called Matthew Arnold, who wrote a book in 1863 called Culture and Anarchy. And I'll finish with this, that he said that because we're going to liberalize the world and democratize it, but obviously we're going to subtract religion because we liberals don't believe in Christ, we're going to retain the outward structure of the church and the armature, if you like, of our civilization. But we're going to remove the supernatural and Christ and God himself from the center of that.

50:26And he said we should replace it with culture or we'll have anarchy. So from the 1860s, the liberals had this idea of standardizing the world beneath their own godless standards. But they recognized that without the foundational Christianity of our civilization, there would be anarchy. And so Matthew Arnold imagined that he would promote things like poetry and classical art and classical music. But instead, you got like Taylor Swift and televised sports. And then, of course, nowadays, you get like the current thing craze, where you all put on some crazy hat or kneel for an obvious criminal or something.

51:03But these are all elements of the mass production of culture, which generates mass belief and literally does drive people insane, because it is fundamentally counter-reality. This is a revolutionary ideology, and all revolutions are basically revolts against the natural order, the changeless order of being in reality created by God, of course. And so what they do instead is they create this kind of make-belief reality for you to live in. And so the final thing I'll say about this is, a foundational figure in the creation of the liberal system was a man called Walter Lippmann. And Walter Lippmann said that in order to rule these new democracies, where all these awful ordinary people will have the vote, what we must do is create a pseudo-reality, his words.

51:49And he said we should use mass communications to do this. And when we can get people to believe that the advertisements and mass communication picture of the world is the real world, then we can change that picture at will, and that's how we'll rule them. And that is the foundational moment of the political technique of the 20th century. Things around the world are moving so fast right now, it's impossible to keep up with all of the changes. But we do know that when those changes happen, markets change too, and nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals, gold and silver. It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction to and against what's happening in the world.

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53:02do you think that technology new forms of mass media will allow this to continue oh yes uh and and it has and it is because you can see how the refinement of that has taken place from the paper and cinema age through the radio and then the television and the internet age But you can see that the technique has become refined and that it's become ever more subtle. And now you have a form of addiction towards a constant stream of mind rot that just burns out your brain. And I'd like to remind everybody that melting down due to information overload isn't just for your political enemies. So, you know, practice some informational hygiene every now and then, because otherwise that kind of laser beam of slop will just burn a hole directly through your cerebral cortex.

53:52And you won't notice it because you'll just be dumb. You're synaptically inactive. So that's what happens. Similarly, right, I've got to say this, you live in this system where you're supposed to live without complete moral restraints. And they say it's fantastic to just indulge all your sensations because that's how you can sell more things. And that's how you can sell everything to anyone. Just say, look, liberate all your desires, have no restraint. But if you have no informational restraint or any moral restraint, you end up with the jaded appetites of the Marquis de Sade. And I've unfortunately read the Marquis de Sade's words.

54:27I have too. Well, they're not some fascinating account of adventure. You can just see a man degraded by the fact that he saturated himself with ever more extreme pursuance of his unrestrained and repugnant desires until eventually he feels nothing and he's dead to the world. That's what you end up like when you are saturated with information and desires and pornification and the constant stimulation of wants in place of needs. And it impoverishes you. It doesn't liberate you. It liberates you into a void, actually. It annihilates you. And so why is that technique not going to work now, despite it being so sophisticated?

55:07It's because we can all see that this has not produced the paradise on Earth that the adverts are telling us that it is. In fact, it's produced the opposite. And again, it's that reality that is making people not just disaffected, oh, I think I'll make a different political choice this time. It's like, what have we done? What has happened to our lives? What does my life mean anymore? Who am I? This is a profound existential crisis for the West. And it's necessary because it permissions the replacement of this distorted, indeed diabolical system with a return to reality. Before I ask you what comes next, what's the next reality?

55:49Can you describe what this system replaced? What came before liberal democracy and in what sense was it better? Well, quite a lot of people reference the wonderful writing of the long-neglected historian A.J.P. Taylor. And he's lovely. And he's written lots of volumes about the origins of the First and Second World War, which is a remarkable history, by the way. Far better than the slop that passes for history nowadays. But A.J.P. Taylor wrote this piece about what Britain was like before the Great War. And he said the average Englishman would have absolutely no contact with the state whatsoever except when he went to the post office.

56:26And of course, when your team filled me up earlier on, I was trying to go to the post office to have some tangential contact with the state, which I tried to avoid as well. It's very difficult nowadays because it penetrates every area of your life. But, you know, we didn't have things like income tax, passports, universal suffrage, and so on. And that might sound like a terrible thing. But at the height of the British Empire, most of our political arguments at the elite level were about how to interpret Christianity in the form of the management of the state and the world. and they really were.

56:57And even a liberal like Robert Toomes in his History of the English admits that and his chapter on that is absolutely fascinating. So what basically the liberal system replaced after the great industrial revolution of the First World War was the Christian civilization that we'd inherited from the monastic tradition of the church a thousand years ago. You had a Catholic hierarchy in Belgium. You had Catholic monarchies in Europe. You had Christian nations, and we had a very different way of living, which didn't have this administrative bureaucracy infused with this mad ideology that taxes us to death to police us with this kind of awful commissariat lanyard class, for example.

57:43So it became bureaucratized, managerialized, and formalized and gradually normalized because what that system has done is it subtracted practically every historical memory that we had, that there was ever anything before it, and also that there could be ever anything else after it. And so it gives itself this idea of a false eternity or permanence, and that's basically evil. And it reminds me of the title of a book about the end of the Soviet Union written by a bloke called Yurchak. It's a terrible book. Don't buy it. But the title's brilliant. And it says, everything was forever until it was no more.

58:17And that's the moment that we live in now. So you think this is the end of that system? Oh, yes. There's another and far more distinguished Tweedie Northerner called John Gray. I've mentioned him before. And for years, he's been talking about the end of the liberal idea generally, like liberalism finished, you know, not just the political ideology, but its economics, its system, the lot. He could see the writing on the wall a number of years ago, maybe 10 years ago. I went to see him personally and listened to him. He's a brilliant man. And he's also, well, I think one of the most remarkable things about his work is that he said it so long ago, but why would he know?

58:58He was a student of Sarah Isaiah Berlin, who was the greatest champion of the liberal idea in the 20th century. So he's been saying that for a long time. It's not just me. And it's very difficult to persuade people because they see this total system and they think, well, how can you ever get rid of it? But one of the major ideas that I can supply to you that will have practical value to you in your life and probably give you a lot of realistic hope, not false hope, but real hope, is that practically no one ever talks about the central role of belief in the political technique of the 20th century.

59:33That means belief is foundational to the way that we are ruled. And as you can see, millions and millions of people worldwide every day are losing belief in the way they are ruled despite the fact that the machinery of manufacturing that belief is more omnipresent and refined than ever they have lost control of the foundational political technique that secures their power this is how they make belief is the title of one of my pieces on it and i show you how they made that mass belief. And I also show you why it's not working anymore. And again, because it's effectively a contradiction to the awful reality that that same political system has created around us all, practically everywhere we go, in what's increasingly an international nowhere land.

1:00:22What do you think replaces it? Well, I think what replaces it is a politics and an economics that's actually for us and not for itself. I mean, the economy, what's it for, is a good question. It's a wise question, because we appear to be for the economy now. We're disposed for the economy, we're replaced in our own nations, because the economy demands it. Rather than be disposed of by the economy, I think we should dispose of it before it disposes of us. But what comes next? One of the fascinating things that I think is interesting is that it's absolutely terrifying to elites if ordinary people uh such as suspicious men with moustaches who turn up on streets by accident if they get involved in politics they get interested in it it's terrifying to them like like for very good reason i'm you're painfully aware of this most people should sensibly spend their lives never having a single political thought because it's a terrible business full of awful people and why How would you think about that?

1:01:27People have to think about politics now because it won't leave them alone and it's ruining their lives. Now, in Britain, there was a study done after the 2024 general election that returned what was effectively a supermajority to the stricken and, well, the panic-stricken-looking Dalek-voiced man Keir Starmer. Impossibly, he got hundreds of MPs. How could you vote for this? He looks like an animatronic parody of himself that's in this perpetual state of terror. look at him when he's on when he's on these broadcasts watch his eye turn the sound down because he's awful but turn the sound down look at his eyes he looks like this he's looking for the exits you know like he looks like a man in a hostage video and he knows he's not getting out of the room anyway why does he look like that but there are obvious reasons why he knows he knows the game's up but the the real danger for people like him and the conservatives and the Liberals and all the other people that have ruled us into this mess, is that in the last election, when he won, half the people who could vote didn't.

1:02:31There's a survey by an institution called the Institute for Public Policy Research, and they produced a paper called Half of Us. And it showed that around 50 % of the people who were registered eligible to vote didn't. And there are even more people who didn't vote who haven't even bothered to register. if you can mobilize some of those people maybe even a majority of those people you are going to win because the political system only is only triangulated on the people that currently vote but if you give them something that that system doesn't give them then those people who don't vote probably will vote for you and that's terrifying and that i think is very interesting to anyone who has an interest in being political successful.

1:03:18Because I've said before, anyone who comes along and says, right, look, we're going to stop the madness and do some common sense politics for a chair, you'll clean up. That's practically all you have to do. But of course, common sense is toxic to this system. And they'll probably call you terrible names if you come out with it. But if you can suffer a few voodoo curses for being sane in public, then yes, you probably have a very promising political career. But what if the system refuses to allow that? What if you were to say common sense things in public and you got arrested, which is happening throughout the West?

1:03:53What if the system wouldn't allow your political party or you as a candidate to run because you were too extreme? I mean, at a certain point, is the system capable of being reformed using the system? Yes, I think it is. I think I know where that's going. But I think if we allow things to carry on for another good number of years, then nobody will be able to control the collapse that will result. So it's time to act responsibly to mitigate the ongoing destruction of our civilization whilst we have the chance. Why do I think that can happen? Well, I think it can happen for an obvious reason. If you look at the desperate measures that the liberal regime, if you like to call it, in places like France and Germany and Britain are resorting to, these measures are authoritarian they are locking people up for saying things which are true and legal but every act that they take in self-preservation is also an act of self-harm now every time they do this ordinary people notice and say what on earth are you doing you're releasing all these terrible people yeah and then you the courts admitted about sam melia who went to prison and they refused to let him see his children.

1:05:09They said that what he put on his stickers was legal and true. But nonetheless, they imprisoned him. And is it Dries van Langenhove? He had a very similar situation. He's under a similar situation now. What he said was true, but they said it was, because it was true, because it was true, it was liable to cause public unrest and cause some kind of invidious behavior because of the awful reality that's happened. Now, they have created this awful reality and they are now criminalizing the mention of that awful reality, that is not a successful technique that can endure. That is a deeply unstable political strategy.

1:05:49You're effectively saying, we have made your life miserable. But if you name it, not even if you complain about it, if you just state the facts, if you just state the obvious and point to reality, we may lock you up for doing that. So what they're saying to you is basically suffer and die in silence or else. And as things get worse for everyone, as people are increasingly radicalised by their grocery bills, how are you going to lock everyone up for being incensed at being unable to afford to even live when they're desperately trying to work to stay alive? You can't do this. It's unstable. And furthermore, like I said, every act that they're taking to do this, censorship, speech crimes, locking people up, It's ultimately an act of self-harm that further delegitimizes their power.

1:06:38And I would add that the state is no longer legitimate, which is becoming obvious to people because it doesn't discharge its duties. Yes. It's not doing its part. It's violated its own terms in the contract. Well, it does have—we hear all this talk of hysterical rights, and we never hear any talk at all of duties. And why is that? That's because the states that rulers do not discharge their duties. The state has duties. Simply, the state's duties, this is a very oversimplified version, but nonetheless, is to provide security, prosperity, and meaning to your life in the way that it organises the political economy, right?

1:07:17It doesn't provide any of those things. And in fact, it now threatens to lock you up if you complain about the mess it's made out of your life and how it's robbed your children of any meaningful future, and so on. all the many disasters and indeed crimes that it's committed. And so this means that the state is not legitimate, which is a tremendously grave question. And I'm not the only person to say this. Again, John Gray says this as well, the leading British political philosopher. So if you look at these things, if you have the time in your desperate life, when you're trying to meet the payments on your endless debts, if you have the time to look at these things, you can see that these arguments have been made in very closed intellectual circles for a number of years.

1:08:02And indeed, from people like me, you've never heard of them. Because again, the way you are ruled subtracts practically any useful information from your life and gives you slop instead. So it pushes you into a despondent despair, where you simply think about, well, I'll just satisfy myself for the meantime, just get drunk. I'll go and gamble my life away. I'll take some drugs. I'll go to eat, overeat, something, anything to try and stop the pain for now. Indeed, antidepressants, drugs, legal and otherwise. This is immiserating our people and your people because the system basically tells you, we're going to make your life worse.

1:08:38If you complain about it, we'll lock you up. And there's no way out. There's no alternative to us. This is paradise. This is utopia. This is the best of all possible worlds. You're being ruled by this. It's as if Dr. Pangloss is kind of post-op, transane Dr. Pangloss now, is coming to you and telling you this. That's the character in Voltaire's Candide that said, everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds when people's teeth are falling out and the roads are full of holes and so on. It sounds remarkably similar to our world today. And by the way, I refuse to apologize for my English teeth because I think it's an act of treason if we ever get American teeth.

1:09:19I find them charming too, I agree. So I guess this is a perfect moment to ask you who you are. You're not, unfortunately, Britain's most famous public philosopher. What is your origin story? How did you come to these views? What have you done for a living? Why do you think this? uh well i'm i grew up in a working class um household where we didn't have any money everybody was on the dole which is on kind of social security just because there weren't any jobs so that was normal nobody really minded um everybody had nothing relatively speaking and so that's why i'm not afraid of being financially ruined by uh but by any it may well happen i don't really care.

1:10:06So there's that. I went into, I was quite good at school, and so I kind of ended up worshipping the kind of liberals that taught me. I became a liberal, and that's what I did, and I believed in that belief system. I abandoned my cradle Catholic faith for the false idols of liberalism. And since then, my life has been a series of corrections, if you like. I've realised the profound mistakes I've made intellectually in my life, thinking I've been wrong, oh dear. And to recognize that and to do that is to learn. I learned that as well. And it comes at considerable personal cost. But I did eventually develop a sense of principle and also kind of an objection to being ruled by these kind of increasingly ruthless workplace directives that are totally pointless needless and destroy all morale so i kind of became a bit unemployable as a result surprisingly but you can't get on i tried for many many years to get published and i never got anywhere i even met a major publisher uh once accidentally who is a friend of a friend and they said they'd help me and they never did because um i found out that's because but basically because I'm white and I'm not a homosexualist.

1:11:24And because you have to. There are friends that I met in the Army Reserve who said, I couldn't get a job in the fire service unless I ticked the gay box. And I saw them, you know, I've seen his application and what he did it and said, I tried before, but once I tick the box, they'll interview me. These things are real. You really are. When I say that people are shut out of life, they are. You're shut out of any chance of not even advancement or riches, but really any real opportunity. It might come as some surprise to you, Mr. Carlson, but we don't live in a meritocracy. No, I've noticed. I've noticed.

1:12:02I don't know if you've met our ruling class, but Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer are not anomalies. We recognize them. Well, I actually gave up what I laughingly call my career when God blessed us with children rather late in life. And so I decided to bring them up and I became what I like to call a trans mummy. And when I, when I, I'd had quite enough of Duplo and nappies and so on one day, and I realized I had to do something else for my life. So I volunteered for the Army Reserve. And when I did, they said, what's your occupation? And I insisted on putting the word trans mummy in there. And the platoon sergeant actually threw the pencil back over the table.

1:12:43So I'm not writing that. And I said, well, I will then. Because I thought it was very funny. And it is. And then as he kind of fulminated at me, I said, you do realize that if I do identify as this, it's basically a criminal offense for you to disagree with me. I looked at him very seriously and he realized I was taking it. It was a joke. But I did that. And then by God's good grace, I ended up writing. And I said to my wife, I'm going to try and join the army full time and get a commission. But I did. and I went, I passed and they judged me actually of having average intelligence which is a very good indication of the army thank you the army but I found that the army at that time had become captured by the ideology that is ruining our nation and I'd signed up to serve the crown and I was going to serve as best I could to do that but the flag that they now salute is more commonly the rainbow flag which has that kind of transgender triangle on the side of it and also that circle which I think stands for the pitiless eye of Sauron himself.

1:13:49So I realised that wasn't for me. So I came home with my cap in my hand and I said, well, I had a go at getting a real job, love, and guess what? And so I said, look, you know, once again, you know, and I said I'll try my hand at writing. And so I started writing on a sub-stack and eventually, quite by accident, a fellow came around to my house who I was I was teaching him a bit of boxing because I do martial arts and he uh he said oh why don't you come and write for us and that was life site news and so there I started writing like little freelance articles for them and graciously they've put up with me for a couple of years now and now I appear on Faith and Reason and I've made this little series with them and I have tried to get sacked uh because it's me but so far that they They have suffered me admirably, I would say.

1:14:40That's an amazing story. But you left out the key pivot, maybe the point of the story, which is how did your views change back? You embraced liberalism, but now you've rejected it. Why? Oh, one thing that I did was I tried to do good. and so I started working with violent youth offenders in inner cities and I worked for a charity and I worked for a Christian charity in the north of England and I had a bit of a talent for that because I genuinely believe you should try and again look into the causes and not just bewail the effects. Some of these people are young men, very violent. They're violent offenders.

1:15:26They would attack you and so on And I was determined to try and keep them out of the criminal justice system. And in doing this, I encountered, pardon me, I encountered how basically they don't want you to solve the problem. You get four times the amount of money for the less British, the less native, the less English they speak, the more crime they commit, the more disturbed they are. The more funding you get for these people. If you're actually talented academic subjects and your only hope of escaping your sink estate like I did was through some kind of academic achievement, you get nothing.

1:16:03You get rewarded and incentivized for being the worst possible member of society. And a tremendous amount of money goes on iPads and holidays and so on. and I found a lot of pushback from actually producing good results because I didn't I told a lot of the cohort these young men there's 17 to kind of 20 years old violent criminals some of them attempted rapists and murderers and things like that and drug dealers I used to say to them honestly I'm not your friend and I shan't respect you because you're scum and when you begin to act decently I will respect you and they used to I used to go to work in kind of like a tweed suit and things like that and brogues looking like this.

1:16:43That's what I look like. And they used to look at me and laugh at you and stuff like that. And then they'd say to me, you know, F off. And I'd say, no, F off, sir. And then people would laugh at me for that. But then after a few weeks, they would actually say F off, sir. And then after a month, they wouldn't say F off anymore. And just, sir. And then they'd stop saying unspeakable and beastly things to people in the street. And then when they did try and stab me and kill me and things, which they did, and they never succeeded because I was obviously quite capable. I didn't harm any of them in disarming them, by the way.

1:17:17I don't believe in that. Just do enough. And they develop a respect for you because you're not weak. And this is something that... I suggested this to someone that I knew who's in the legal establishment. I said to him, look, it's a culture of crime and he's a criminal prosecutor. And he's a very senior one and I just met him in the pub one day. And I said to him, that's what I think. I said, I think it's a parallel culture. And when you look at it, they've got their own lingo. They've got their own kind of thieves' cant. They've got their own way of describing the world. But they've got their own para-familial structure where the gang leader or so on is the dad because they're often fatherless as well due to his social breakdown.

1:17:56And then you've also got a moral inversion where if they think that you're a good person, what you and I would recognize as a good person, they think that that makes you weak. They think that that makes you prey. And they see a lot of people as prey as well. And so there's really no attempt to recognize that that is a parallel culture. And the reason for that is that our culture has been dissolved into these antagonistic parallel cultures. And I think that's partly a result, intentionally and unintentionally, of the way that we're ruled by this political technique. It's deeply antagonistic. And why is it useful for elite power to do this?

1:18:33Because what it does is it dissolves social cohesion. Exactly. Which makes it easier to dissolve nations into this global standard system, which is why this word nihilism matters. Because, you know, if you have no essential value and dignity to human life, then you don't care about this. All you care about is standardizing things. And so anything that's destructive actually helps that. And you find that anything that's destructive has also become a business, even this. And so I ended up doing a bit of that as well. And that really cured me of a lot of liberal delusions, because I had to work at the hard end of it.

1:19:06And I went in there with very charitable intentions. Well, it was quite challenging, but it was impossible to maintain beliefs in those liberal ideas after you'd done it. And so I began to profoundly revise my worldview. And perhaps the most profound revision that came in my life was that my wife was, and this is a terrible thing to say, but it's true. my wife was nearly killed um without any reason by simple negligence of bumbling migrant nurses in the london hospital where she was going to give birth to my son and i thought of actually suing the nhs but i don't like to do that because we pay for that collectively and i think that's a rather terrible thing to do but i i actually went outside and got out in front of a petrol station and got on my knees and did a terrible thing for a once true believing liberal and i got on my knees and i prayed to god and I begged him to help my wife and my son and to deliver them alive.

1:20:01And if he did, I would serve him for the rest of my life. And he did. And since then I have. And I try to be a less bad person. When you talk about God to people who don't believe in God, they tend to think you're a bit bonkers. But sincerely, what I believe is that the way that I try and live my my profound conviction as a traditional Catholic now is I honestly try every day to be less bad. And I think that's very realistic for me. And I think that's a very practical way to look at life. And furthermore, if you think believing God is bonkers, have a look at what not believing in God has produced around us.

1:20:43I'm not sure I began life, you know, many years ago knowing an awful lot of people who didn't believe in God. And I'm not sure I know any anymore. I think the world has changed a lot. Oh, I agree. I mean, there was a friend of mine who came around. I don't go for full-on proselytization for people. I rather prefer to show them the face of evil and let them make their own mind. That's exactly right. One of my friends, and he is a dear friend now, I'll tell you how I met him in a minute, and it's a great surprise. He probably didn't try and strangle me, to be honest, because it is funny. But he said to me one day, he said, oh, well, I've looked at the world, and it's basically evil.

1:21:28And I said, yes, it is. And he said, well, if there's evil, then there's – and I said, oh, yes. There it is. Now, I just want to tell you that. We lived next to a park in London. Before I emigrated to England from London – I'm not from London, I'm from the north. my wife was from London so I had to live there and that kind of vast roundabout full of kebab shops and so on so we actually lived next to a park it was quite nice and I wasn't working I just I said to my wife look these are the precious years we'll just put it on the credit card and I'll stay with you know the beautiful little boy that God's given us and you know she nearly died delivering him so you know thank God thank God for that and so I was over in the park with him when he was a toddler.

1:22:12And you never see men with their own children at that age on their own habitually. Sometimes it's nice, but I saw this bloke and he was doing what I did. And he had the usual expression of kind of, if you like, you know, a wearisome duty on his face as he's pushing this scooter around, like going bar-bar to the sheep. You know, you kind of look at each other with a kind of recognition of a silent acknowledgement, but I wasn't silent. I just marched up to him i said oh so you're a trans mummy are you just like me and honestly i thought he was going to provide the form of customer feedback that i've become habituated to now which is why my dentist is so well off but he didn't but he was seething and uh after that he i realized why he was seething and uh i i helped him actually and he'd been run over by a drunken driver because he used to be a really good cyclist and it nearly you know he crushed a bit of him he in a lot of chronic pain.

1:23:10And I said, well, I've had a bad injury and I got into weightlifting because one of my Catholic friends is excellent at it. And he taught me how to do it, coached me for years for nothing. And I said, come around to my house. I've got the gear in the shed. I'll show you what to do. And so I did. And so now it helps you with pain management. It makes you a lot stronger and you just get used to it really, because weightlifting is painful and you're used to suffering. It changes your relationship to it. If you just feel a lot better, Now he's not miserable anymore. And obviously he's lovely. And thankfully he didn't punch me in the face, but he came around instead for a cup of tea.

1:23:46Amazing. Amazing. Your story is amazing. Your views are true and so beautifully expressed. Also hilarious. And I am thrilled to know with dead certainty that they will be reaching a lot of people. Not just here, but a lot of places. I hope you'll come back, Frank Wright, and talk again, because that was wonderful. Oh, lovely job. Thank you for having me on. Duh. Thank you. The best. Oh, may I just say one thing before we go? Of course. In a time of deepening spiritual and political and economic crisis, I would like to remind everybody that, again, you can't blame people alone, even your bitter political enemies.

1:24:36That's right. being the way they are. If we are going to do better, and we must do better, or we're all finished. That's the state we're in. We must do better. Try and develop the idea of being a social missionary. Look at the idea of the 20th century as a vast revolution that tried to replace everything with itself, and it's degraded our lives completely. And look at these people, your bitter political enemies. See them as casualties on the battlefield. That's right. Because it's a war in our civilization. Where you can, when you can, wherever possible, We'll try and heal the sick and help the wounded.

1:25:09And because we must do better than universal vengeance and moral degradation. So thank you for having me on once again. I'll shut up now. That's the Christianity I believe in. Amen. Thank you. That was wonderful. Oh, well, again, thank you for having me on.