Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

31:50You could get a PhD in it and still not understand it. It's the largest human organization in history. It spends$7 trillion a year. So like, it's hard to understand what it is. But in terms that non-experts can understand what is the difference between the border patrol and ice are a vast difference the u.s border patrol is the uniformed branch of department of homeland security cbp and the u.s border they wear uniforms they wear a uniform just like a police officer you might see in a city right they wear uniforms they are the immigration police the uniforms immigration police then we've got ice border patrol more than they've been around forever right been here 102 years uh and they've had that interior border mission for all 102 years it was the u.s border patrol the marine corps federal law enforcement that expeditionary force that would go into the united states over those 102 years and there are many examples of that to deport up to millions of illegal aliens it's always been their mission and right now that uniformed immigration force is standing shoulder to shoulder on the border, staring south, twiddling their thumbs.

33:03Largest border patrol in history now taken off the table. The most highly trained immigration police that you have taken right out of the game. Why would you take your pro squad or your varsity squad out of the game? I'm totally confused. So, okay. So there are two parts of this question. There's the border, you know, the line between the United States and Mexico and Canada. And then there's the question of illegal, the 107 illegal aliens living in the country. So you often hear people say, well, we sealed the borders. So Trump succeeded. I don't think that's correct. I don't think that's what success is.

33:43But have the borders been sealed? The borders are under control more than they ever have been in my lifetime. time however when you don't have that interior immigration enforcement that mass deportation what does that do to your border what does that do to the cartels and the transnational criminal organizations that are going to push people across that border no defense in history has ever been 100 none will ever be 100 what does that do well you know if i make it past those border patrol agents who are standing on the line facing south i got a freebie tucker i got a freebie i got a freebie because if I get into the interior, there are no mass deportations occurring.

34:23There is the worst of the worst and the targeted criminal enforcement that sounds so great. What illegal alien crossing the border is going to say, well, gosh, I'm the worst of the worst. I better not cross. None of them think that. So what that does to your border is that makes your border less secure. And you will see that over a period of time that they are going to try and come across that border and they will they'll succeed because all they have to do is make it into the interior and once they make it into the interior they're up against ice you ask what the difference between ice and border patrol ice fantastic there's some patriots there i love the ice agents i worked with them for that year tough individuals they got a tough mission but remember that is your non-uniformed immigration officers the ones that go into jails and arrest known criminals, long-term investigations.

35:17They're your plainclothes detectives. Tucker, would you send New York City police detectives into the most violent situation that New York has ever faced and said, well, you know, you're going to go tackle violent street crime now, and our uniformed police officers are going to stand by and do something else? No. Absolutely not. Well, that's what's happening right now. So when did Border Patrol stop policing the interior of the country for illegal immigration? Well, most recently it was our surrender in Minnesota. But before that, you have to remember the U.S. Border Patrol had interior border patrol stations.

35:51Yes. Places like Little Rock, Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo, Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the interior. It was because they were that interior immigration force when needed to go in and pacify a region, an area or a city so that then those plainclothes detectives who do a great job could then take a pacified area and keep it pacified. That's the way that whole thing has worked for 102 years. That's been upended. That doesn't happen now. Why is that? Well, you tell me. Why is that? When did that stop? Minnesota. I call it the great surrender. The great surrender in Minnesota when Commissioner Rodney Scott and Tom Holman decided to come in.

36:39And who are they? That's Customs and Border Patrol Commissioner Rodney Scott. And what's his background? Border Patrol. Career Border Patrol. Okay. Career Border Patrol should know. Should know what the Border Patrol is to be used for. And Tom Homan is who? He's our Border Czar. A prior ICE official spent his whole year with ICE. I believe he was a Border Patrol agent for about a year and then jumped on over to the Plain Clothes Division there. So you've got those two individuals that, remember, they were silent, completely silent for that year when those border patrol agents were battling it out in a two-front war in those cities, a two-front war, what's a two-front war?

37:20Battling the bad people and bad things, the cartels and the illegal aliens and the criminals, and then battling the Pritzers, the Newsoms, the Mayor Basses, and the politicians. Where were they during that year? But then Minnesota, all of a sudden they show up and say, hey, we're here to save the day in Minnesota. What was saving the day? surrendering interior enforcement they surrendered that was saving the day so your interior enforcement stopped the day the border patrol was sent out of minnesota that was a decision that the president made and i i you know i can't say that was his decision because he didn't the president didn't consult with me on that i understood that it was he announced it anyway well he announced they were they were coming to minnesota yeah um you know i think it's the president's team that has that conspiracy not to to conduct interior enforcement it's that team i think he gets some bad information he's got some hellacious gatekeepers i don't give him much credit for doing anything immigration related because they're doing nothing but talking about a gate keeper in other words someone that can control that information flow to the big man they do one hell of a job they're doing nothing really for immigration enforcement in inside the united states no it's some target enforcement you hear an operation here an operation there there was one in maryland i think they had 1200 arrests last last week something like that what what that is is that's we're gonna do an operation spread that splash that across the headlines and gaslight america into thinking that's what we do every single day all across the united states when nothing could be further from the truth, walk out on the street and look.

39:10Walk out on the street, walk to a Home Depot and take a look at what's in the parking lot at Home Depot. Does it look like there's mass deportations and interior enforcement occurring? Absolutely not, because let me tell you, the illegal aliens sure aren't scared right now. Not at all. So the phrase dad bod is obviously a grave slur. It's a kind of gender racism, but it is kind of real because staying in shape grows harder as you get older. You work out, you eat, but you just don't get the same results. And that's where Marsmen comes in. Marsmen is a natural supplement crafted to support healthy testosterone levels.

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41:36Approximately, yes. How many deportations by force? Five to six hundred thousand, maybe. Maybe. Okay. So you think that after all of that and all the drama that ensued, that there are still 105 million illegal aliens in the United States right now? Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. 105 solid. Could be more than that even, does anyone else know this you know um because if you've got a population of 330 340 million and 105 million illegal aliens i mean that's like the craziest number i've ever heard you really think that's the real number absolutely and you know i guess you would know right because you ran border patrol yeah and one seeing what's coming across the border and then juxtaposing that with what we saw in the cities and regions we were in and then even taking a look at some of the numbers, something as simple as a traffic pattern.

42:32Charlotte, North Carolina has got a fantastic example. Take a look at commuters going to work. Commuters going to work in Charlotte, when we arrived for that five-day operation, Operation Charlotte's Web, the commute went from terrible to exceptional. So we started doing some studies. I had the staff, hey, do a study on the traffic. Let's extrapolate some numbers. What does it take to have an exceptional commute to work to do that you need to remove about 30 approximately 30 35 percent of the commuters and they took it took a look at the number of commuters going i think it was yeah i want to say around 200 000 i can't remember the exact number now but 30 percent what is that 30 percent equal it starts equaling that 107 million which is you know a similar percentage of the american population.

43:24What is that? You know, 25 % of the American population. So we looked at the commuters. Then we looked at absentee rates from Charlotte and Mecklenburg schools. 30 % of students didn't show up in Charlotte and Mecklenburg. What does that start looking like? It starts looking like the 107 million is a pretty accurate figure. We saw the same thing in Chicago, the same thing in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, that commute went from terrible to better than exceptional. How many commuters did we take out of the equation in Los Angeles to make that drive in America's worst, worst traffic, traffic getting to make it really good?

44:07And they're like, wow, these commutes are really good. Think about what that took. So we have a crowded poor country, which we do because of illegal immigration is what you're saying. Yes, I am saying that 100%. I think that a majority of our problems are downstream of immigration, whether it's something as simple as a commute to work, but something more insidious and more important, such as affordability for housing for our young people. 107 million people in our country. What does that do to housing? What does that do to welfare, jails, schools, hospitals? What does that do to any service that an American citizen should think they have access to.

44:47It occludes it. It occludes it to the point where they don't have it. Take a look at our natural resources. I'm a big natural resource guy. I'm a conservationist. I am too. Look at what's happening to our natural resources. We had Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot, and they started that conservation movement along with Americans. That conservation movement is over 100 years old now. it's been destroyed in many areas of the country in 10 years 100 years of conservation destroyed in 10 years entire ecosystems wiped out by illegal aliens look at the ginseng harvest in our eastern forests many of those poor mountain families from where i'm from there in the appalachian mountains harvested ginseng for hundreds of years since daniel boom all the way to the mid-1990s.

45:32They can't do that anymore. Why? It's been stripped. That ginseng has been stripped from those mountains by illegal aliens. Hey, you know what? Let's drop off 15 illegal aliens. We'll scour the entire mountainside, take every single bit of it in a non-sustainable harvest and take it off. But that's everything. I'm getting too upset. Hey, but Tucker, that's not just ginseng. That's everything. So I did a research paper on that. Back in 2012, they wouldn't let me publish it in the Border Patrol. It was destruction of our nation's natural resources by illegal aliens. Wouldn't let me publish it. You couldn't publish it?

46:07Why? They said it was too controversial. It told the truth. It was too controversial for a Border Patrol agent to note that illegal immigration was destroying our natural resources? Imagine that. Yes. I tried several times, actually. It's just national suicide. That's obviously what it says. Yeah, you bet. So every facet of our natural resources are under attack. You know, look, we're having water problems out west. They're telling us. Running out of water. Running out of water. They're telling us we may have rolling blackouts because we don't have enough electricity. Everything is downstream of immigration.

46:40No pun intended, but the water problem out west, we can fix that. Oh, in about two years. Deport 107 million of those illegal aliens taking your and my water and my resources. Problem solved. We're Sierra Club. hey where's all the environmental groups they don't seem to really care now all of a sudden you know i guess that's okay you know if it's illegal aliens you're not you know not a problem if tucker carlson or greg bovina drops a little bit of oil you know out of your car on the pavement my god uh hell's to pay it's called the uh uh the dsp the double standard phenomenon which is also rife in america the double standard phenomenon illegal aliens get a they get a pass you don't because you're one of those dastardly American citizens who is apparently the devil to the world, but an illegal alien that actually uses those resources and hurts your culture, your species.

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49:39I think Trump voters really think that the administration's done a great job on immigration because Fox News has told them that. The gaslighting, masterclass. Really? Masterclass gaslighters. Can you give me an example? Well, again, the operations that they conduct. Hey, you know what? Largest amount of illegal aliens or largest amount of aliens deported in the past 50 years just took place last week. Hey, what are the numbers? I can't seem to get the numbers. Your social media influencers can't seem to get the numbers, but they're sure touting the numbers out there. And what are the numbers? I haven't seen the numbers.

50:17If this is really happening, then how is it that 250 Border Patrol agents on those interior operations pretty much shut down large sections of the country where we didn't see an illegal alien? They weren't going to hospitals, jails, schools, or anything else because they were either self-deporting or buttoning up. That's not happening now. So if what you say is really taking place, you would see the effects. Every American citizen would see the effects like they saw it over that past year during Operation Large, Operation Midway Blitz, Charlotte's Web, Operation Catahoula Crunch, and then the surrender in Minnesota.

50:54You would see that. You would see it with your own eyes. You know, it's not some ethereal concept. You can see that kind of thing with your own eyes. and American citizens that come up to us on the streets, came up to us on the streets and come up to me on the streets now, they say, gosh, it sure was a different story when you guys were out, when the Mean Green Team was out there on the streets taking it to them. Wow, everything was different. We finally had hope. You're not getting that now from people that are actually up against illegal immigration, most especially, and this is key here, our young people, Those young conservatives, wow.

51:33Now there are a bunch of individuals that are seeing this. I get more comments and more rhetoric from them than anybody I have ever seen. They are not happy. Their future, they understand, is being taken away. It has been taken away. And, you know, Tucker, something very powerful here. One of those young conservatives came up to me and said, you know, we've only heard stories of america we've only heard the story of america i'm like what do you mean the story of america we are america there's no story he goes we don't know what america is people like you tell us what america people like tucker say this is what america used to be like we've only heard the story of america that was the most powerful thing i've ever heard uh being a border patrol agent is this young person that doesn't even know what real america is because it's been taken from them a lot of it through illegal immigration and um you know they better wake up some of these people that have betrayed us some of those gatekeepers that i just talked to better wake up because there's a lot of pissed off people out there especially the young they did a big part in ensuring that there was somebody in office that would take care of immigration very unhappy campers right now and i don't blame them a bit they should be unhappy and they are sharpening spears dancing around the campfire right now.

52:58They have every reason to. One measure of border security is the presence of narcotics that are manufactured outside the country. And cocaine is one that, cocaine's a pretty good measure because we don't grow coca here. So all cocaine, at least the base, cocaine base comes from outside the country, comes from the Andes. So in 1985, the average cost of a gram of highly impure cocaine, majority baby laxative cocaine, was$100 a gram. And you had to drive to some sketchy area and roll down your window and buy it and risk your life. The price now in many American cities, particularly in Texas, is$50 a gram for almost totally pure cocaine that you can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes, no risk.

53:41So that tells me that we don't have secure borders. If the price of cocaine, and that's not adjusted for inflation, those are just the straight numbers. $100 in 1985,$50 now. So that's like, I don't even know what the inflation adjustment would be, but that's like$5 a gram, you know, in 1985 dollars. Clearly, we're not keeping drugs out, right? Exactly, exactly. And that's where those mass deportations are so very important. That 107, 105 million is so very important. We saw that in those cities. Look at the double digit drops in crime in those cities when those cocaine traffickers, when those human traffickers, whatever traffickers couldn't traffic anymore, double digit drops in crime.

54:28We're not taking away the people that use it. A lot of those American citizens dumb enough to do that kind of thing, but we're just going to remove everyone that traffics it, that knows it's being trafficked, that has anything to do with it being trafficked. we're just going to do away with them. I think he did start out really good. He was blowing some drug boats up, the fentanyl. Fentanyl kills a lot of people. That's terrible stuff, just like cocaine and anything else. Hey, that was good. That was taking place simultaneously with us in those cities, taking it to the illegal aliens. Hey, that gave me hope.

55:01I was like, wow, they're actually bombing boats in the water. Well, if you're going to take away border patrol from the interior, are you really going to be that serious? Are you going to bomb a boat and do what Rodney Scott and Tom Holman do, do it one time, splash it across the headlines and say, yeah, we're really taking it to them when you did one time. So I'm a little bit confused. So Holman, who I've interviewed several times, says he's very against illegal immigration and has a pistol and an ankle holster and kind of seems like a rough and ready, no BS kind of guy who's dedicated his life to fighting illegal immigration.

55:39You worked with them. Tell us, is that an accurate picture? You know, I'll tell you, when you're going to lead an effort to do something like that, inevitably, and it's a must do, you better have your ass out there on the front lines with your people bleeding next to them, especially in the most violent law enforcement, domestic law enforcement mission that's faced the U.S. in its history, the most, and I'm even including prohibition in this one now. Where were these individuals during that year of pure, unadulterated violence? I didn't see them. Where was Commissioner Rodney Scott missing in action?

56:26Where was Tom Holman? Nice guy. Fun guy to talk to. Probably a great guy to have a whiskey with. Where was he? Ankle holster and all. Where were they? You better get your butt out there with your people. Bleed and be ready to make that ultimate sacrifice next to them. You're not too good. You're not too good to do that. None of yous are. You better get out there and do that. I would pose that question back to you as my answer is, where were they? I never saw them. Not once. Never even heard from them. Never had a conversation. Nothing. Silence. But they're not silent now. Still not out there, but not silent.

57:08More of a, we're going to take a soft approach. I guess maybe that's the toughest. What does that mean, a soft approach? A soft approach means we're not going to be out there doing those general immigration raids. We're not going to conduct total spectrum immigration enforcement, which is what you have to do if you're going to win this battle. Total spectrum immigration, that means everything brought to bear against that enemy. In other words, we're talking about the war being fought on American soil. It's going to take an effort like that, a total warfare. what they're talking about is a limited form of enforcement sort of like world war ii versus vietnam what we do in vietnam well you know we're gonna do some precision limited strikes here and we're not gonna go total warfare and we're gonna lose whereas world war ii total spectrum warfare whatever it takes we do so that's what the soft approach is is we're gonna do a precision strike Hey, a precision strike, Tucker's never won a war, by the way.

58:08It won't. Let's do a precision strike there in Maryland. They did that last week. They got some good apprehensions. Those ICE agents are the greatest. Love them. They're like border patrol agents, patriots. But that'll never win 105 million illegal aliens. You have to do something else. You're not going to put handcuffs on 105 million people. We've only got two years left to do that, by the way. you need to encourage and mandate those self-deportations and those large-scale efforts that it's going to take. It won't be neat, clean, and easy. Of course it's not. We never said it would be. That's what you have to do.

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59:25why not just enforce id laws like we have ai so like how does anybody have a fake social security card or a fake driver's license and yet millions tens of millions of people do i i don't think i could get away with that how were they allowed to get away with dsp double standard phenomenon it is alive and well in this country um it it's one of those unenforced but if you had a fake social security card and tried to open a bank account i think you'd risk jail for that right no absolutely absolutely you bet but who's gonna go after an illegal alien for that when i don't know the trump administration wasn't just elected to do this didn't he get the majority of the popular vote to do this yes absolutely that's not violent you're not shooting anybody it's like you can't use fake federal documents i'm not allowed to use fake federal no i'm serious like why is that how can you get on an airplane if you're here illegally i mean they facial recognition at the freaking airport like we're all totally monitored at all times so if you've got 105 illegal aliens in your country someone wants them there someone in power like donald trump or whomever is making these decisions like what is this yes what is this it's a farce it is a farce it's a farce it's a slap in the face and you know it's uh But we can still win it.

1:00:45Here's the thing, though. We can still win this. Well, you've got two years because the second, I mean, Democrats are about to take power in two months. And at that point, the chances that, and you think Republicans are going to win in 2028. I mean, after this war in Iran, no. So they're all going to be legalized. That's it. And then it's a totally different country forever. Done. If that happens, done. But how is that not going to happen? Well, we can still do it. We can still do it. look we've proof concepted how to do this in the in the interior when the u.s border patrol leading efforts in the we the proof concepts there it's just on a much larger scale it's also bringing ma and pa america into the fight bringing the taxpayer into the fight remember that was something in our strategy that was well in motion you've got to bring them into the fight everyday citizens like a victory garden in World War II.

1:01:43We're going to do our part. But they think they've already won. They've been told by the administration and Fox News that this is the upside of Trump. All the downsides, this is the upside. You got what you want on immigration. Yeah, well, I'm here to say sorely mistaken and absolutely not. You've scratched the surface, but look around you. Look around and see what that's like out on the streets. Look at what our African-Americans are facing in those cities. I get so many calls from conservative blacks saying, please come back to Chicago or L.A. or wherever, because that was the first and only time that our community has really, truly had any assistance from anybody.

1:02:34No one in charge cares about black people. They don't. Absolutely. Their schools have been destroyed. The murder rate's out of control. They're being replaced by illegal aliens. And literally nobody cares. Nobody, nobody cares. And their families have been here for 350 years and nobody cares. Nobody gives a damn. Nobody gives a damn about that. But you know what? I tell you, Pritzer, Governor Pritzer there in Illinois, he had a, he, once we started in fourth ward and some of those wards and the black folks came out and were supporting us, you could tell they were getting a little edgy. They were like, uh-oh, hey, they're onto something, you know?

1:03:05And what a great story for a Homan or a Rodney Scott, if they're going to sit back in a safe seat in D.C., to talk about silence. Silence. Your own citizens coming out in force to support the U.S. Border Patrol of all people. And what a story. What a miss. What a miss by that bunch of gate guards. Unbelievable. Who are the gate guards? two of them there i've mentioned yeah two fantastic ones they're like fantastic um at guarding the gate at guarding the gate guarding that information you bet i think if trump knew what you and i were talking about you know i think if you or i could sit across from him and say hey here's the real deal that you haven't been getting i think he might you know what i think he would actually reverse course because and the reason i say this is look at what we did that first year.

1:04:03Once we started, Hey, we got calls from Trump. He called the border patrol. He called us, man, you guys are doing great. Kick their ass. We've got your back kick, but we're going to take this thing. He said that gate guards come in, you know? So I think Caesar was probably up against that. Uh, there are many thousands of years ago. Same thing. You can see the, the jackals and the heinous they always come in nip at the nip at the the the tendons and i think that's what happened i think that if he was to hear what was really going on hear what americans are thinking and saying hearing these young people out there and then hearing some of the conspiracies that have actually taken place under his watch by those individuals he'd be like wow wait a second like what well you know uh surrender in minnesota you know um people say hey bovini you know, you retired.

1:04:58I did. I retired. That neat, clean and easy. I was just a little tired and decided to retire. Hey, Tucker, I got some gas in the tank. There's no retirement there. If they want you gone, if those gate guards want you gone, better watch out. They'll come for you. They will come for you. They'll come for your retirement. They'll come for everything. and um did that happen to you absolutely every bit of the way every bit of the way you know when you play a hard game you can expect hard treatments i get that but not a two-front war hard treatment should be me and the criminals not the two-front war with me and the folks that are supposedly your friends you know the minute i get the minute i the minute i left security detail gets pulled i'm that one of the highest if not the highest threats in dhs death threats i mean you name it man they're coming hey take that guy's security detail we're gonna shut that guy up stroke of midnight came those border patrol agents refused to leave my house and i had to direct order hey no you're you're leaving because i'm not in the border patrol anymore and you know what i knew this i didn't say that to them they'll come for you also they'll come for you also so the administration yeah absolutely yes you bet but anthony fauci still has federal security we're paying anthony fauci's security detail he doesn't work for the government anymore he spent the whole life on the federal teat and he still has secret service protection anthony fauci um who committed crimes but you don't because the administration didn't want you want you to have security why i think to silence me because sounds you like get you killed because that's what it sounds like do i think they want me dead at this point yes i'm in a running battle every time i go out i mean every time the citizens of my own community are like what is going on with you these people come there's some crazies out there you know you know this tucker and you bet do i think they want me killed absolutely you know the administration yeah Absolutely.

1:07:06Or more of the gate guards. I don't think Trump would. I think if Trump knew what they had done and what they would do to border patrol agents or ICE officers or anyone that disagrees with them, I think he would have an absolute panic attack or a heart attack over something like that. But you think Homan wants you gone, dead? I think Rodney Scott, he's the one that took my security detail away with Homan there. Yeah, absolutely. You bet. Why? You know, that's a pretty heavy thing to say. And if I wasn't from Washington, I probably wouldn't believe you, but I do believe you since I am. Sure. Well, you know, I wouldn't have believed it either, but, um, with what was coming at me the minute I retired, I thought, well, yeah, I'll probably get some security there.

1:07:47You know, they're coming after other family members as well. Your family members. Absolutely. Through the mail. Uh, there was one point where the FBI had to intercept every single piece of mail because there were some bad things coming in the mail, that kind of thing. and just the vast amount of death threats. I got doxxed yesterday by WBTV Channel 3 in Charlotte, North Carolina. In what way? Trying to name home addresses. Actually? Oh, yes. Yes. You bet. Now, I've got a different address with my girlfriend out at a different place, but they did do that. And when that happens over and over and over.

1:08:26Can you name the channel again? WBTV Channel 3. Why would it be part of the news gathering process to put your home address on a TV channel? You know, I think that that's something that we saw in those cities with an absolute out of control so-called news media. They're not a news media. When they do things like they're not a news media, they're a propaganda arm. They're an enforcement arm at that point. An intimidation arm. You bet. but the only problem is i'm not i'm not intimidated i wouldn't be here talking to you uh hey they tried to take my legal representation away or probably already who did uh that was homing in the gate guards your legal representation in other words if you're sued for actions taken in your official capacity at border patrol you don't get legal representation they're supposed to absolutely if it was under the performance of your duties under the color of law and you weren't doing something illegal, then absolutely every minute of the day.

1:09:32But apparently others don't see it that way. How do you know that? You know, I got a call from another Border Patrol chief, a retired chief, who got a call from them saying, hey, if you don't stop, we're taking it away. Stop what? Stop coming on Tucker Carlson and telling the truth. Pointing out that there's still 105 million illegal aliens in the country? You bet. Homan did that? His people. Yeah, I can't say he did. His people, yes. You bet. Again, I've interviewed the guy a number of times. I hope he'll come back. I'd love to ask him about this. Absolutely. Yeah, maybe that would... Hell, I'd like to ask him about it.

1:10:11Have you talked to him since you left? No. So I'd love to put a finer point. I mean, first of all, what you said is shocking. Everything you've said is shocking. And really, really distressing and dark. If you think Homan and this other guy want you dead, I mean, that's like, it's unbelievable. No proofs in the pudding. I think that's fair. But why? I'd love to know a little more precisely why they're so mad at you. I think when we have big labor, or I'm sorry, cheap labor politicians who are a very powerful force. I didn't realize they were this power, very powerful force. That puts a lot of pressure on some individuals and some individuals may, maybe they want the lucrative contracts also.

1:10:55I don't know. I can't say that for sure. But there's something there behind the scenes that causes that to happen. It doesn't just happen just for the hell of a, let's have Bovino dead. Not because voters want it. Voters wanted to get back to the sort of pre-lunatic American population. They don't want to live in a crowded poor country. Who wants that? Nobody wants to live in Bangladesh. So like this is nuts. And that's what voters wanted. That's why they elected Trump. That and no new foreign wars. and then the donors convinced trump to fight a foreign war that voters did not want and it sounds like don't don't donors also push trump to stop immigration enforcement yes you think that's true i do absolutely you bet um i mean look at some of the the politicians that came out against me or christy noem specifically after the surrender in minnesota the kennedys at a at louisiana mccall representative mccall out of texas mike mccall yes why would they say those things like what did mccall say i believe he said that we were um out of control and too aggressive something like that do you find it interesting so mccall is is a a tool of the intel agencies i happen to know and i and i mean that and i hope he'll come on and explain how i'm wrong but he knows i'm not wrong because i've talked to him about it directly but i i have noticed a connection between the people who are like not very loyal to the United States and very into fighting wars on behalf of other nations they're also very against immigration enforcement I've noticed that have you noticed that I have and some of the people I and I've noticed that over my career some people that I would think oh they're going to be good on immigration the worst I remember when when Bush was elected we were rejoicing in the patrol we thought oh man this is going to be great he was just as bad as bill re clinton or worse of course worse again the two-front war stabbing you in the back while you're out fighting bad guys same thing now except worse even worse than but bush was this very much like this administration you know spent all of its time all of its our money all of their energy fighting a war in the middle east and then they're for changing the american population with illegal immigration at the same time it's so weird i don't understand the connection all of it is bad for america maybe that's the connection um tucker this is in my opinion of course the greatest issue and greatest threat that our nation has faced since its founding of course and i'm including the civil war in that i think the civil war is child's play compared to what we're facing now because this ends it all 105 million illegal aliens get amnesty and start voting which it appears that, you know, the Tom Tillis, the McCalls, and the rest of that gang want that.

1:13:43When they start voting, everything's gone. If you think your Second Amendment's gone, that Second Amendment's gone, everything's gone. Everything that you hold dear, your culture, your values, traditions, everything, they don't care. You know, Tucker, they don't care about your history, nor the American history, because that which is, Robert Heinlein said it the best. He wrote Starship Troopers. That which is given has no value. That which is given has no value. When we just gave them citizenship, they will hate you for that. They'll abhor you for that. They do abhor us for that. You can already see it.

1:14:18The entitlement mentality, it's not an entitlement. They just hate Americans because we're stupid enough to do it. And when you give someone something like that, they don't care if your granddad died at Iwo Jima or your great-great-great-granddad at Gettysburg, or maybe you had an ancestor that was a founding father, they could give a damn about that. They don't care. When that ceases to be a reality here in our country, and you're in my country, you're done. Right now, we're at the precipice of the greatest of either solving or bowing down to the greatest threat that we have ever faced since the founding.

1:15:01I strongly agree with that. It seems very obvious, and that's why there's so little national cohesion. The upside, however, for the people in charge is an immigrant population is much easier to control. They don't believe that the Bill of Rights is real or applies to them. They don't have natural rights. No one told them what that is. So you can kind of do whatever you want to them and call yourself the hero of the story, and you see it with rich people and their housekeepers who all secretly hate them. But they're totally convinced that, you know, Catalina loves me, I'm the hero to her. There is a kind of psychology, the rich white lady psychology around this question.

1:15:43The Democratic plantation owners, the new plantation owners. And that's the way, they even act like it. These elitists, these fringe left liberal socialists act like that, like plantation owners. Oh, I know. it's it's absolutely amazing the way what they do and you talk about racist holy cow they're the worst yeah yeah no they i've seen it so much so how did when christine home left was forced out uh and then replaced by one of the slowest famously one of the slowest but certainly one of the most liberal members of the united states senate mark wayne mullen which he is he's extremely liberal and because he's from Oklahoma like nobody seems to get that but he is particularly in immigration and foreign policy I mean it's like giving it to Lindsey Graham how did that why would you put Mark Wayne Mullen a liberal a Kamala Harris liberal in that role exactly I think when we talk about those donors that donor class yeah getting someone confirmed why would you not put a liberal and you're going to get enough votes from the crazy democrats uh and then you're going to get the support from the big labor rhinos just like they did with commissioner rodney scott he sailed through the confirmation folks you know what he's bringing back biden era individuals into cbp right now as we speak the ones that let the 30 million in actually yo you bet yes does the white house know this you know i don't think i again i think the gate guards keep it so guarded i don't think we're steven miller i thought he was this big i don't know hey stevie you bet you got some work to do there buddy got some work to do there stevie but um i'm just confused because wasn't this the issue that defined them yes yes it was so that's how that's how someone like a a mark mullin is put into a position like that there are a certain class of people that love a mullin hey you know mullin what is he listening to he's listening to tom holman rodney scott worst of the worst in targeting that's really all he can that's all he can regurgitate and so that for people who haven't heard that talking point that means we're going after the really bad ones they're really bad ones worse the criminal aliens the terrorists child molesters you know folks that are committed murder whatever the worst of the worst people criticize Israel, stuff like that.

1:18:14Really, they're really bad. The ones who deserve the death penalty. And I will say that that is the opposite of what we should be doing. That is not a threat to your nation. Let me say this again. A lot of people think I'm crazy. That's not the threat to your nation is the worst of the worst. The threat to your nation is your run of the mill, illegal alien that we've just said, the 105 million that don't share your cultures, your values, that don't care about anything related to America that have been given, that want to be given citizenship. That's far more of a threat. Hey, we can get those criminal aliens anytime.

1:18:53That record's not going away. We can get them anytime, anytime. Right now, we've got that window to get that regular run-of-the-mill illegal alien, maybe a landscaper, maybe he doesn't have a criminal record in the U.S., even though he's still a criminal because he crossed the border illegally. they're all criminals uh he probably had does have a criminal record in a foreign country that we won't know about but that is far more of a threat to you me and our values than an ms-13 gang well it's certainly a threat to our justice system because i i'm like why should i obey the law why am i going why do i have a seatbelt alarm in my car constantly getting lectured about everything all the time from everybody in authority 18 a pack cigarettes It's just like an unaffordable life.

1:19:40And a legal code that you have to hire a lawyer to understand whether you're in compliance, and you better know whether you're in compliance because you go to jail or get fined if you're not. And then 105 million people get to just like give the finger to the U.S. code and nobody does anything about it. It's like, why am I obeying the law? Like, why? Does that make sense? Not a lick of sense. But what it is, is it's a litmus test. The litmus test took place over this past year with that interior enforcement campaign. Hey, you know what? We don't agree with that law. We don't agree with the immigration laws that are enshrined in the INA, the Immigration and Nationality Act, and those court decisions and the Constitution and everything.

1:20:22We don't agree with that, sir. We're going to riot and we're going to murder, whatever we've got to do, because we don't agree with that law. That's a litmus test, because if you don't agree with an immigration law and do away with it do away with the border patrol surrender you can do that with anything you can do that with any law they're not just that it's just mob rules mob exactly the most violent group gets to do whatever it wants it does you and me will pay the price if we do something right now you're right they'll be on us in an instant but the 105 million not so much back to the natural resources i've interviewed many game wardens throughout the 50 states and they said you know a lot of times we We won't even write an illegal alien because one, we don't know who he is.

1:21:06We don't know who this person is. Or if we do, he beats us out of court. He walks out of the courtroom before we even do. Nothing happens. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Now, you or me, we do something. You're done. You're done. Oh, yeah. You're done. Try shooting a rough grouse on a Sunday in the state of Maine. Yeah, as a legal resident. yes yeah no i know um but gill net 100 fish is an illegal alien the hat that's what they're doing now because they see our natural resources is something for them not something to conserve preserve or conserve gill net gill net they'll just throw a gill net in the water i you know during this when i was writing this research paper i was abhorred at actually what was happening they'll gill net fish catch 50 of them when you actually gill net fish yes and you or me our limit may be two or three or whatever the limit is i don't kill any fish and i think i might shoot someone for gill netting like that's i mean i that's immoral and i'm i'm not for shooting anybody but i would be tempted to shoot someone for gill netting that is so outrageous it is happens all the time seriously yes yes uh you know i i wish i'd brought my paper i'll send you a copy of my paper i don't want to read it and i'm so upset just hearing all facets of our conservation effort are under siege all facets like destroying god's creation in our country yes and destroying our sustainable resource you know we're we're sportsmen sportsmen sportswomen because we have a sustainable system of producing is well you know what tell me about it do you do you think that the third world gives a crap about that no because they don't do it in their countries so they come here see ours they don't have to obviously pay attention what's the trump What is Trump administration doing to fix the problem you're describing right now?

1:22:56They're letting illegal aliens go during operations. They let 20 go in North Carolina three weeks ago, three weeks ago last Sunday, on one of our wild and scenic rivers. I think they apprehended 10. They allowed 20 to walk in one of those wild and scenic areas in which resources were being destroyed. Are you serious? Yes, absolutely. I tweeted about it or X about it or whatever that is tweeted about it. And they said their systems were down, their computer systems around. Probably these individuals were not single male adults and would have been a little harder to remove or they would have had to put females in detention.

1:23:35And apparently, you know, you can't do that if you're an illegal alien female. Why do people go to detention? Why don't they just bring them to the border of Mexico where they all came from? Exactly. Or fly them right from the spot. Exactly. I agree. or put them on a big container ship and drive them across the ocean, whatever you need to do. Yes, but they allowed 20 to walk. They won't answer that question. I posed that question, put it up on my ex account. No wonder they want to kill you. Probably so, yeah. I think that if they could, or not them, but if it happened, I don't think they'd be too safe.

1:24:06So how exactly you said you didn't retire, you got fired. How did that work? You know, after Minnesota, I returned to my sector. and that was the el centro sector we call that the premier sector in the u.s border but i've got to give a plug to those folks out there the premier sector central california yes uh that was the sector under biden east of san diego between san diego and yuma arizona yeah it's a tough tough place rough place but hotter the fire harder the metal that was your interior staff out of the el centro sector those folks controlled our part of the border under biden you know we didn't uh prescribed a throughput and decompression that was push as many in as you can well we didn't disobey orders tucker we it was throughput and decompression the other way back into mexico and guess what happened nobody wanted to cross the border in el centro we smashed them including the red chinese and anybody else that came across the border so anyway uh i get back to el centro right after Minnesota and the investigations begin.

1:25:13And I'm thinking, what are you people doing? Investigations of what? The first one that came down the bike was, you might remember the Chicago judge said that I lied in a courtroom. That's death for a law enforcement officer to lie. You're done. That's lack of candor. They'll get you every time on that as they should. You shouldn't lie. Well, I didn't lie in a courtroom, by the way. I'll set the record straight on that one. Told the truth every minute. But simply because a federal judge said that, even though her entire decision was vacated by the higher court, they said what your whole ruling is ludicrous and you're actually constitutionally suspect, by the way, which should be death for a crazy judge.

1:25:58But the investigation, hey, you know what? We're going to investigate you for lack of candor. uh lying and i'm like huh wow that that whole thing was vacated what are you talking about doesn't matter you're getting investigated so they sent that case to something called a drb disciplinary review board drb says you know what that's a panel of leadership within customs and border protection that takes a look at disciplinary cases highly unusual for the commissioner to send that case straight to a DRB with no investigation. The DRB, that review board looks at it and says, you know what? There's nothing here.

1:26:38We see absolutely nothing here. Send it back. Case should be closed. Well, that commissioner says, well, you know what? Let's take another shot at him. I'm going to weaponize internal affairs on this one. Hey, internal affairs, this guy lied, opened an investigation on him. When it gets to that point and they start coming after you like that. I've been in the federal government long enough to know what they're doing. They're coming after your retirement. They're not just coming to fire. They're going to take your retirement, your pension, everything. So I get a lawyer and he says, you know, I've never seen anything like this before.

1:27:12Uh, you better get your ass out of the federal government real quick. Seriously. Yes. But I don't run too easy. And I said, you know, I think, you know, I think I'm going to fight this one because Hey, it's cut and dried. He goes, don't you put a period on a piece of paper and they're going to say you lied um and then the second investigation came down you may have remembered that uh they accused me of anti-semitism i don't remember that was out of i think most americans have been accused of anti-semitism yeah of course you know another one they said that uh i made some anti-semitic comments to the u.s attorney there in in minnesota did you absolutely not uh never i never talked to him when i made the comments i was talking to some of his staff who quit the next day and then doxed me because they didn't agree with the way the border patrol or that the border patrol is even in Minnesota.

1:28:05It's just crazy stuff. You can't believe this stuff happens. Well, anyway, they said, hey, anti-Semitism, and the New York Times ran with it. What did they say you said? They said that I said the Jewish people were the chosen ones, but that I said it in a very sarcastic tone. I guess that must be anti-Semitism. You know, I don't know. I was straight out of the Bible study from, oh, about 1976 in North Carolina. Hey, Jews, chosen ones. I can say that all day long. That's not anti-Semitism. I think it'd be the opposite if I said that. So anyway, we're in the corner of George, Republican version of George Floyd here, though, where everyone is accused of some biased crime.

1:28:46You bet. Except it's now anti-Semitism not racism because nobody cares about black people anymore but it's the same it's the same thing though absolutely so I didn't even know I was under investigation for this until the New York Times informed me hey uh since you're under investigation for anti-Semitism would you like to make a comment they called me and I'm like what are you talking about my own agency didn't even tell me it was I found that out through the New York Times reporter that under investigation for anti-Semitism yes the Trump administration did that to you yeah CBP well customs. I don't think Trump knew about it.

1:29:17No, but it's the federal administration. So I found that one out and I'm like, wow, this is interesting. So then to make a long story short, some special agents show up at my house, say we, you know, start knocking, banging on the door. Like what's going on here? My security team says, we don't know what's going on. What's going on? I didn't answer the door. I don't need to answer the door. they were there for my computer which i was retiring the next day they said he wanted to write that right right that minute i never talked to him they get the orders from somewhere in dc well just go ahead and smash the guy's door in and make entry luckily the u.s border patrol was there and said hey it's the way that thing works and they got sent packing that was what was happening there it's time to retire you know this is so crazy i can hardly and i mean as far as i know you didn't do anything other than believe the campaign promises the rest of us believed in 2024 and thought okay here's a chance to do what voters have asked their government to do yeah hey you know when you're given a mission you go hard at it and no regrets there with the mission regrets with how I handled some of those gate guards and the administration.

1:30:39You know, I would like to, I think I could have taken a more active role in briefing Trump face to face on some of this. I think that had he known and saw our strategy, what the end goal was, how Americans were coalescing behind us, I think he'd been, all right, great job. So I could have done a better job on that. um you know i think a lot of the individuals around here are non-border security professionals they have no they don't know the difference between border patrol and ice even i don't think a lot of them even know the difference between u.s border patrol and ice think it's all ice oh it's an ice mission vastly different what with i i never understood i mean you can tell my views on immigration i think it's a disaster it is a disaster but i i was i never liked the idea of any federal agent wearing some kind of narco mask on the street what was that um that was the doxing um that was the fact that they would take that agent that agent's face and say hey his mother and father live at such and such an address he and his daughter live at such and such an address and then people start showing up within 24 hours um and the reason we know that one me i didn't wear a mask and you know man they were on me quick there were some other agents that didn't wear a mask and it happened to them immediately i mean within hours but okay right we also had like a mafia and all kinds of organized criminal elements in this country over centuries, which we kind of defeated.

1:32:20So if there were organized groups threatening the families of federal employees, we should probably go after those groups. Go after the groups and the folks that fund those groups? You bet. Wholesale. Why is that hard? Why is that a hard concept? No, I'm serious, because then everything falls apart. That's not a partisan question. It's just like the system falls apart if no one can enforce the law because of threats from criminal gangs. Right? Absolutely. And the anarchists Just in the streets. Yeah, but there's never been a systematic effort to fix any of that. And I don't know why. You know, there was the one effort that I saw was that U.S.

1:32:58attorney out of the Central District in California. His name is Bill Assaylee. What a patriot that man was. He actually did go after those individuals in California when we were in Los Angeles. And you know what that did? that really dialed down the violence against our effort in those cities, dialed the riots down, dialed the crazies down because he was actively going after them and prosecuting them. He got some fantastic prosecutions. That's been lost in the narrative somehow. What a success that man was. we had the opposite in in in the other cities is you know what we're not we're going to wait till till they leave and just not do anything because you know my gosh this is scary and you know there be awful a lot of prosecutions and my gracious but assailant the fbi there in in central district los angeles they did a fantastic job they proof tested that concept it can be done they did it the fbi along with uh with that u.s attorney they kicked butt but there were a lot of other u.s attorneys that were patently against us some of them actually got fired under the trump administration well i would hope so but you should be able to enforce the law i mean what's the point of the system if you can't do that and by the way i do think i get why people want to wear masks i get why they're afraid but i also feel like you seed you give up some legitimacy when you do that Like when you're enforcing the laws of federal law enforcement officer, you're standing behind laws that the Congress passed, elected by the people of this country.

1:34:38Like you are the front line in a system that we all hope is legitimate. If you can't show your face in public, I don't know. I mean, what message are you sending? We can't control our own country? We're not legitimate enough to defeat like domestic insurgencies against us? Like what are you saying? it's such a expression of weakness i guess it freaks me out does that make sense it does and then again why do we allow anarchy to take place in the streets in the face of law enforcement and normalize it why is that allowed to be normalized and well only certain kinds of anarchy allowed to be normalized the ones that the donors prefer but most people are not for that at all and if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or legal immigration of shut down immediately by the same people who allow black lives matter protests to destroy our cities yes right so it's it's it's like a selective enforcement and i think it all goes back to the root cause which is the richest people in the country are trying to destroy the country or they don't care or they just or they don't care they want to get richer and they'll do it on the backs of you they'll step on the dead bodies of their citizens to get there 100 i wish I didn't think that, but I do think that because the evidence is in, don't you think?

1:35:58It's getting irrefutable at this point to have what's happening in our country take place now. I wouldn't be speaking. If you had said you're going on, Tucker, and you're going to say what I just have said, I said, you're absolutely crazy. I was going to put this in the book, but you know, it needs to be said now. It needs to be said now. If you told me when I was, you know, speaking on Thursday night at the Republican National convention introducing trump that two years later i would be talking to a former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country in immigration or his administration did i'd be like i don't think that that that's not possible i mean this whole thing is so shocking to me i can't believe it's happening yeah well you know i think it shocked a lot of americans they thought there was so much hope out there and that's probably one of the greatest they're one of the the most heart-rending messages I get is there was so much hope with what was happening in those cities.

1:36:52We watched you guys, the green team every night, and we thought we're there. Hey, we're taking it back. Even Europe. You know, I've been going to Europe quite a bit here lately, talking to those folks with the remigration summits and Restore Britain and that type of thing. And they said the same thing. We've got the same problem with the same solution. We watched what was happening. Starting in Los Angeles, every night they were glued. They said, man, there's hope. Look at this. This is really going to happen and it's going to start happening in Europe. And then all of a sudden, lights out. The light switch was turned off and it all ground to a halt.

1:37:28All that hope ground to a halt. And, you know, it's shocking. You just said you're shocked. I'm shocked. I would never have thought that would have happened. You know, the momentum was building and then the light switch went out. We went into darkness. What do you think happens next? I have great faith in American exceptionalism. People like Tucker Carlson, people like these young conservatives, those young people. I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young people in campuses and throughout the United States standing up saying, wait a second, we've had enough. We want the story of America back.

1:38:10We want to make the story of America. We want to know what America is like. We're done with this. And I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on the donor class, on President Trump, and many of these and the feckless bureaucrats that I've just talked about, those gate guards, those worthless gate guards. And, you know, I'm always an optimist. I'm always an optimist. Never be a defeatist. We've been up against some dark times before in this nation, Maybe not this dark, but we have and we always came through. I think that you or I wouldn't be talking if we thought it was done. You know, I think that despair is for those who see the end beyond any doubt.

1:38:49I'm not in despair yet, but we're rapidly, that window's closing. And I think that as long as we're talking about this and that people care and that there's still enough Americans here ready to do what it takes. We can right the ship. We can do it. Maybe it takes off tomorrow. That spark has to be lit. Hope you like the spark, Tucker. Greg Bovino, thank you very much for doing this. I appreciate it. Pleasure's been mine, sir. Boy, you upset me.